Warhammer 40k general.

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First for the Crusade

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Which which factions have the best air forces? Rate all the flyers available from best to worst.

Anyone know where i can find the campaign details for the Eye of Terror event or the Medusa campaign? Or any other GW campaign events? I heard some crazy shit like Shadowsun having a sister.

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ave dominus nox desu senpai

>>47245566
Orks definitely have the most

As for best thats probably either Marines or Eldar

>>47245501
If the imperial assassins had access to relics what rules would they have?

Let's say one per temple.

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>>47245583
Damm I love the ork planes why they have to be so shitty or oop

>Pic related
There's no flier capable to rival such beauty.

>>47245591
>Vindicare
>Doesnt need line of sight to shoot

>Callidus
>Can go into reserve again at any time, and may redeploy as per Polymorphine from reserve next turn

>Culexus
>Can make a unit within 6" freeze for a turn. They cannot perform any action in their turn

>Eversor
>AP2 CCW. On a 6 to hit causes 2 additional hits.

>>47245566

Barracuda, Nightwing, and Thunderbolt

>>47245591
technically all of their equipment would be considered relics

exitus weapons/spy mask
c'tan phase blade/neural shredder/polymorphine
animus speculum/etherium
executioner pistol/frenzon/sentinel array

like, they're all [Temple Assassin], just with different sets of relic gear. Kinda like how in 2nd edition you had a basic [Assassin] that could grab whatever wargear it wanted.

>>47245566
Best are
>Crimson Hunter
>Vulture
>New SM flyer
>Barracuda
>Croissant


Worst are
>Blitza Bommer
>Tau FLyers
>Dark Eldar flyers

Everything else just lands in the middle somewhere

>>47245566
Crunch-wise, Eldar win. Crimson hunters are great fighter craft. Hemlocks are good for ground assaults against anything thanks to psychic powers and the D.

>>47245566

Funny enough, I defeated a Marine's Stormhawk with my Sunshark Bomber in dogfighting.

>>47245583
>Orks definitely have the most
no one is going to have more than the imps, man

>>47245781
Orks have 8 different flyers

>Dakkajet
>Burna Bommer
>Blitza bommer
>Wazbom
>Attack Fighta
>Fighta Bommer
>Bommer
>Blasta Bommer

>>47245566
all the best everything is Eldar.

...Anonymous
05/14/16(Sat)08:07:44 No.47245766
>>47245211 #
The only thing he needs to be good is some form of ap2 for characters and rerolls for his attacks so he can actually chop up chaff units.

Give his neuro gauntlet rending, make his power-sword master crafted then give the assassin himself rage and hatred. Rage doesn't do anything it's just there for fluff.

>>47245234 #
>smash
That would be way too strong on him, can you imagine what he would be like with smash?

>>47245780
Not too surprising. The Interceptor Drones are pretty sweet, plus the thing has a networked Markerlight and Missiles to work with.

The Sunshark has always been a solid fightercraft.

>>47245780
Interceptor drones are great anti-air.

>>47245501
Remove Chickin

>>47245805
Imperial Navy alone has at least ten.

Avenger
Thunderbolt
Lightning (Lightning Strike)
Marauder Bomber
Marauder Destroyer
Valkyrie
Vendetta
Vulture
Arvus Lighter
Aquila Lander

And that's BEFORE you add in all the space marine ones.

Why is everything Orks get severely overpriced?

Every gun is priced as if a Space marine were going to use it, not a BS2 ork

>>47245826
PHONES A SHIT

>>47245918

laughingImperialGuard.jpg

>>47245918
why is a 5+ invulnerable for any vehicle you have only 15 points for eldar?

>>47245836
They're ok.

>>47245943
Why is Daemonic Possession 30 Points for a Typhon if all it does is reduce the Typhon's Ballistic Skill?

would mech guard with 2-3 wyverns, a punisher vulture, valk, and a stormsword be cunty in a not super competitive meta?

>>47246068
depends on the points range.

>>47246078
1850

>>47246068
What do other people's lists look like? If we're talking "Boyz, Fexes, and Berserkers: The Meta," then yeah, that's pretty cunty.

>>47246081
Nah.

Might wanna warn the opponent you're using a Superheavy though, just to be sporting.

>>47246068
>2-3 wyverns
>not super competitive meta
fair warning, but wyverns are not very fun in any sort of casual setting

>>47246102
its not that casual, we have a couple kinda powergamey dudes, thunderstar and KDK with all the power choices, then a guy who alternates between steel legion, cancercrons and knights. several ork playrs of varying levels and a dark angels guy i havent played much, off the top of my head.
its not tournament time all the time but its not fun n fluffy either

>>47245826
>smash
>That would be way too strong on him, can you imagine what he would be like with smash?
Yes, I know, that's why I want smash, I want to WRYYYYYYYY the shit out of everyone.

Not that they would ever get in range to do it, but could a priest and three crusaders tie up a knight's in assault for two turns? 3++ rerollable seems like something that loses mostly to weight of dice.

>>47246163
potentially, but the risk of both stomps and 6's for D makes it pretty swingy

>>47246163
>smash
The knight have D attacks plus stomp, one lucky 6 and all your guys are gone with no chance of survival.

Someone on an earlier thread said that if I wanted to have a C'tan shard looking like the void dragon I should use a mortarch. Which one should I use if I want to do so?

>>47246200
Also, what should I do with the extra riderstuffs, along with the little spooky ghosts?

>>47246200
The one you like, it doesn't matter all the montarchs come in the same box.

>>47246200
a morghast would look better in my opinion

>>47246173
>>47246186
I guess hoping a 70 point unit could survive 3d3 stomps without a single 6 is a bit much.

Too bad making the squad bigger doesn't actually improve its survability any.

>>47245709
>Dark Eldar flyers

The Razorwing isn't bad at all. At 130 points base it can come in, drop four large blast markers on an annoying infantry blob, then spend the rest of the game whittling down other squads with its Disintegrators. Or bring it up to 140 points and it can use its Dark Lances to pick off vehicles or harass other flyers, even if it just forces them to Jink. It's vulnerable to Interceptor fire, yes, but so is every AV10 aircraft in the game.

>>47246250
Open to suggestions and changes at the moment since I haven't gotten him yet, why do you think morghasts would be better?

Why are sigmar skeleton models so sexy?

>>47246221
Toss it on a bits site, of course.

Or give the spooky ghosts to a Crimson Slaughter player.

>>47246329
>why do you think morghasts would be better?
won't have to fuck around with the saddle area
cooler head
comes with two
still less expensive than a single mortarch

Of course Eldar would have the best benefits from Death from the Skies.

I'm fucking surprised Eldar didn't somehow benefit from Angels of Death too in some random way, despite the fact that it was marine only.

What's currently the weakest race, i.e. the race with the fewest viable builds?

>>47246444
Eldar are Allies of Convenience with Marines. They could theoretically pick up an Allied Librarius Conclave and use a bunch of Geomancy librarians to try and roll Shifting Worldscape, as well as provide extra Warp Charges

>>47246475

CSM or Orks.

Counting build numbers is stupid as fuck. CSM, SoB, and Tau all have only one viable build, for example. But I think it's pretty obvious Tau isn't hurt by this while CSM is even worse than SoB.

>>47246475
Orks are the weakest. They lack any sort of good anti-armor, along with a multitude of other gaps.

>>47246484
>Tau
>One viable build

Is that what you call having a bunch of great units in every slot?

Even if you're talking maximum cheese you've still got the Optimized Stealth Cadre and Riptide Wings as separate things. Add Crisis Suits and Buffmanders to taste.

Again, that's competitive level though. An army of nothing but Firewarriors would still probably mop the floor with an Ork list.

>>47246508

Nobody at GTs runs anything but Stormsurges and Riptide Wing. If you're going to include shitty Tau builds just because Tau are overpowered in general, you might as well say every army except 1 or 2 has tons of "viable" builds, including Orks (hurr Nob Bikers, Green Tide, Blitz Brigade, CAD, etc).

>>47246508
you don't know what viable means mate

>>47245573

IDK if that Black Library mega is still up, but IIRC it had the campaign books for 13th Black Crusade and Medusa campaigns

>>47246561
That it's capable of actually functioning?

If you're going to say that Tau only have 1 viable build because people only bring 1 list to tournaments, then Chaos Marines have 0 viable builds.

Just curious, how viable is a Razorshark Strikefighter with Advanced Targeting System for assassination?

>>47246553
If you're going to include the best CSM or SOB list as 'viable', then I would certainly say that any Tau list that is as good as those is also 'viable'

A list doesn't stop being viable just because it isn't the most optimal for an army.

>>47246581
>chaos marines have 0 viable builds
But that's true.

>>47246614
Then tell that to >>47246484

>>47246553
you say this and yet you claim csm and orks have 1 viable build as well. They have no viable builds then.

>>47246408
Alright. I'll look between them more to decide eventually, thanks for your input.

>>47246601
>How viable
Not particularly.

>>47246762

It seems like the only vehicle that can take advantage of the Advanced Targeting System besides Skyray.

>>47246789

It's cheaper to use a Ghostkeel for that role.

>>47246789
Heavy Burst Cannon Riptide.

>>47246959

I said vehicle. I know that for suits the thing is ridiculous chep.

Anyone know if the Tactical Objectives app has the Waagh Ghazkhull Objectives?

got a question for you nerds, when playing maelstrom missions, do you shuffle achieved objectives back into your deck or leave them separate? a couple local guys are claiming you need to shuffle the cards back in to keep it the same statistically as rolling dice for your tactical objectives

>>47247134
I mean technically they aren't wrong, now that you mention it.

>>47247134
Seeing as the rulebook ask you to write a list of all the possible objectives and cross them out as they are achieves, re-rolling later results of the same...

>>47246553
>including Orks (hurr Nob Bikers, Green Tide, Blitz Brigade, CAD, etc).

>Nob Bikers

It is no longer 4th ed Anon. Nob Bikers are garbage.

>Green Tide

What's that?

>Blitz Brigade

Fun build. Not remotely competitive. FAQ rules no first turn charge with it, putting the final nail in the coffin.

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>>47247248
>>Green Tide
>
>What's that?

Have an upcoming "beginners" tournament, 750pts, not sure what to run. Looking to buy a new army to get back into 40k and looking for advice one what to run.

Tournament limitations:

1 HQ or Lord of War
1 Elites
1 Troops
1 Fast Attack
1 Heavy Support
0-1 Auxilary (any ONE of the following : Elites, Troops, Fast Attack, Heavy Support, Fortification)

NO Super Heavies, Gargantuan Creatures, Mighty Bulwarks or Fortification Networks.

Also has to be "friendly" enough not the be veto'd by the TO's, but competitive enough to have a chance.

>>47247324
You're allowed to use out of production formations but you're not allowed to used out dated rules.

War gazzy got updated and green tide was purposely removed.

>>47247356
Not what it says.
If we gonna RAWfag, we gonna RAWfag hardstyle.

Seeing as there's no new version of the Green tide formation, it's not out-dated just longer available, so the ruling applies to it.

>>47247348
>one of each slot, maybe 2
that is some real cuck shit

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>>47245566
>best visuals
Tau, by way of Barracuda (the old one, but the new one is pretty decent, too); Dark Eldar close behind.
>worst visuals
Tau, in the form of the Razorshark/Sunshark; Space Wolves are a close second.
>best rules
Probably a tie between Space Marines, Eldar and Tau.
>worst rules
Orks. Space Wolves are also kinda shit.

>>47247348
>750pts, not sure what to run. Looking to buy a new army to get back into 40k and looking for advice one what to run.
pick a get started set that grabs your eye and build off of that

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>>47247348
>1 troop

>>47247348
if it's a beginner's tournament just run what fucking ever. so pick your favourite force.

>>47247384

Yeah, I know, it's clear they want people to buy more, but I'll be happy to make a 750 army, they have 3 of these tournaments a year

>>47247348
Chaos daemons:
Greater daemon of your choice
Pink horrors
Second troops of your choice
Screamers/plague drones
Skull cannon of khorne/Soul grinder

>>47247409
Limits the scatspam, if done you can't also spam warp spiders.

>>47247423

That's what I mean by "beginners", they phrase it like that so they can veto lists they don't like, but its more competitive than they make it out to be.

>>47247348
dark eldar
archon, 2 slyyth/medusae venom
2 units of kabbies, 1 blaster each, venom
6 reavers, 2 cluster caltrops
ravager, lances, night shield
get ready to fuck people straight in the face, they won't see it coming

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>>47247396
>>best visuals
>Tau, by way of Barracuda (the old one, but the new one is pretty decent, too); Dark Eldar close behind.

>>47247348
>NO Super Heavies, Gargantuan Creatures, Mighty Bulwarks or Fortification Networks.

hi where do they run tournaments like this

>>47247248
>It is no longer 4th ed Anon. Nob Bikers are garbage.
They only were a thing for the tail of 4th. They existed into 5th and were good in very early 5th - but soon the meta made sure they weren't much chop regardless.

>>47247430
I always forget Eldar bikes are troops.

Damn Eldar ruining everything.

>>47247471
Wherever enough people decide to.

>>47245805
deffkoptas? and all kind of looted shit?

>>47247445

>1 Troops
>2 units of kabbies

>>47247558
deffkoptas are skimmers, as are warkoptas

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I love me some knights, but I kinda feel like this bastard is too large. He dosen't gel with the other knights at all, even the already lanky cerastus stands out in a household, this fucker is taller than a goddamn warhound!

>>47246475
Orks currently have zero viable builds, so Orks.

>>47247619
Knights are already far too big.

If somebody puts that thing on a table I'm walking away.

>>47247619

That's out of scale buddy, we've seen the models next to one another and it's shorter than a Cerastus.

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Post your Bicyle Repairmen.

>>47247619
Is that supposed to be a Baron or something?

>>47247619
I don't get how forge world makes a profit on these huge things, the titans and such.

how are they even practical to play with when you need 2 hands to lift them?

They should bring back epic for this huge shit and keep 40k at a sane scale.

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>>47247700
>>47247739

THAT'S NOT

IN SCALE

fuck you people are dumb.

>>47247766
Yes obviously, that's why I asked if it was a Baron you numb fuck.

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>>47247707
Nope, they scaled it up since the old preview. It does no longer use the plastic kit as a baseline.
Compare to the Ta'unar below it and the Mastodon next to it, if you don't believe me.

Will Orks ever get a model update?

A few of our units are out of production and some of them are decades old.

I want the Tau treatment, damnit. Bring back Ward for one last book.

>>47247777

Barons are a detachment bonus, not a special mech.

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Magnus did nothing wrong

>>47247788
Back in the old days of epic a Baron was a big round knight that had all long range weapons. I know FW haven't translated everything but this seems to be what they're going for.

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>>47247766
That picture is from the last event, you disingenous fuckwad, they since went back to the drawing board. It's bigger than the tau walker now.

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>>47247798
>no beard
Is Russ the least manly space wolf?

>>47247810
>disingenous
But that's literally the opposite of what he is.

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>>47247717

>>47247810
>>47247798
>>47247783
Forgeworld please stop

Go back to making supplements with new troops choices

>>47247888
Just finish updating your existing shit first.

>>47247924

>IA:8 is discontinued and Forgeworld doesn't even consider the rules to be still viable
>Instead of re-writing the book, or even just issuing a pdf update, they just continue to produce HH, Eldar and Tau.
>Next book will be fucking Ad Mech

Once upon a time I would have defended Forgeworld to the death but ever since HH they've been going steadily downhill.

>>47247924
I can't use my xiphon interceptor :'( even though I wasn't using it anyways

>>47247813
>no beard
russ has never had a beard

>>47247888
Khorne, it's no worse than what GW's doing.

>>47248138
It's no better either

Need some help deciding how to kit out my sword brothers for my CC crusaders.

Right now they have a storm bolter and a lightning claw. (initiate has a power axe) I wanted to design them for challenges, and the unit is meant for killing scrubs in a gun line. So far the lighting claw has been helpful in most instances, but when he faces a target with high armor and T it does not do much. Sometimes my opponent will have a guy like that hidden in a unit of scrubs or close enough to get a challenge. I want to give him an extra attack with a power sword and also to make him cheaper. But I also wanted to give him a fist or a thunder hammer, but both cost a lot and if he dies before he can get a swing off, its pointless. I know if I fight army's with high Int like eldar, it does not matter. but as for everyone else or for just generally equipping him, wat do?

>>47248344
Do you expect to use your crusaders to kill terminators and monstrous creatures?

>>47248434
No, as I said they are meant for killing scrub infantry. But there is always the chance that someone put an IC in a squad thats hard to kill.

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So i thought of buying a Forgeworld mechanicum tank, but im not sure if they have any rules in 40k, is there an codex/book which i could get the pdf for

And btw WHY DONT THE ADEPTUS MECHANICUS HAVE MORE TANKS

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>>47247798
Can't wait for them to finish all Primarchs so they can move to daemon Primarchs. I need the Red Angel for my army damn it!

>>47248448
Well personally I wouldn't near triple the points cost for a fist on a 1w model.

Better to focus on his strengths and use dedicated units for the job.

I'd prefer a sword to a claw as well, but that as much a matter of taste as aversion to taking unpaired specialist weapons.

What's standard equipment for Wraiths? Whip coils?

>>47248467
It depends on IA14, and how much of the red book Taghmata they port into 40k

>>47248487
I want Custodes.

>>47248527
Yeah whip coils are the best options, the others are just for laughs.

>>47248517
Thats what I was thinking too. and the power sword would give him an extra attack.

>>47248527
CCW basic, coils are a 3 pt upgrade

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>>47248467
>im not sure if they have any rules in 40k
They don't, but they should get some in IA14.

You can also run a 30k mechanicum list against 40k lists with you opponents consent, they're decently balanced. You can get the 30k mechancium red book from the /HHG/ op.

>>47248556
And fit the BT theme.

Would a Second Age of Strife protect humanity from extinction?

>>47248532
>>47248572
Im sorry but what do you mean with IA14?

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>>47248546
But you already have them :^)

>>47248556
You could give him a power maul for extra opportunity to wound or cause instant death if you're not expecting too much 3+ saves. +2S AP4 mashes most armies without +3. Instant Death on T3 and wounds T4 on 2+.

>>47248613
Is that a sig-marine

>>47248632
sounds good I will keep that in mind, thanks

>>47248661
Largely

>>47248553
Yeah I figured. Are they a must-have, or is it better to just run them as-is?

>>47248593
My bad IA = Imperial Armor, which are forgeworld campaign source books that essentially function as expansions.

It's their 14th one. The numbering convention doesn't really make sense any more, but hey it's something.

>>47248703
There's no reason not to take them, 3 points for +3 Int is a steal

>no 30k
>no flyers
>no superheavies
>no GMCs
>nothing with a D weapon

The list of banned models grows ever larger

Meanwhile CSM, Orks, Tyranids have all been shit for multiple editions (save for a brief period of helldrake / FMC spam being strong)

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>at some point since I last posted duplicate file rules changed massively
fugg

>>47248703
Nearly a must-have, tiny piercetag for solid advantage.

>>47248706
>The numbering convention doesn't really make sense any more

Only because they insisted on compressing Vraks.

Did the original versions of Vraks have more army lists? This version just has Death Korps and Renegades.

>>47248713
>>47248725
Gotcha, thanks for the help.

>>47248717

Oh man, if they're including the Thanatar I hope the Domitar makes it.

I have a converted Kastellan built from 1.5 regular ones that's way too tall and bulky, but'd make a great Domitar variant.

>>47248583
No?

They barely survived the first one, and that was:
>pre-Horus
>pre-Tyranid
>pre-Tau (I'm assuming the Tau would be unaffected by warp storms since they don't use the warp at all but that could be a bad assumption)
>at the tail end of a period of unparalleled technological advancement
>saw the rise of the Emperor and development of the Astartes

A second one would just accelerate their ass-kicking by everyone but Eldar, presumably.

Actually, what effect do Tyranids have on warp storms? And what do Orks use for FTL?

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>>47248717
Does this mean battle automata are actually in the book?
Prior rumors had said everything but automata and volkite.

>>47247961
As a Sisters player who relied on an Avenger, I feel your pain.
Hopefully they A) update their shit and B) don't 'forget' that Sisters get access to some of it...

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>>47248583
What are you smoking? A Second Age of Strife would bring an end to humanity.

>>47248852

I'm worried about Ursarax: They aren't automata, but they have a chest mounted volkite melee weapon thing.

As a melee-obsessed player, I need Jump Cyborgs with Lightning Claws in my life.

Why does everyone Imperium faction have different shit

Some techpriest needs to fucking standardize all these vehicles and walkers

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>>47248888
Oh fuck, I hadn't even considered that.

>>47248852
Automata are mentioned as animalistic relics in the cult mechanicus book. Presumably they're still floating around in limited numbers just like the leviathan dreads, storm eagles, baneblades etc for the rest of the imperial stuff.

The lines get a little blurry with mechanicum though, as folks turned a blind eye to "tech heresy" during the heresy, as we know it in 40k. I wouldn't expect any paragons of metal lol

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>>47248888
also checked

Why didn't they go out of their way to say 30k armies are valid 40k armies? Seems like a poor business decision.

>>47248583

Only if they embrace the Greater Good.

>>47248938

NO VOLKITES

YOU CAN'T HAVE THE VOLKITES

THEY'RE OURS

"We're giving the Tech Priest Dominus a Volkite"

AAAAAAAA FINE BUT THAT'S IT, YOU GET ONE. NO MORE.

>>47248958
Explain this meme

>>47248958
The ordinatus also gets volkite that can be taken in 40k.

Well shit, if they've doubled the size of the Knight Porphyrion it'd better not have the same rules as it's experimental ones with only +1 hull point and +1 armour value over a normal Knight.

Thing is scout titan sized.

...Which is also kinda dumb? I mean, Knights are meant to be the bridge between regular scale shit and full titans, not full titans themselves.

>>47248993

Forge World have this weird thing about bringing Volkite weaponry into the 41st millenium.

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>>47249029
It really does irk me, considering how common they were compared to, say contemptor or leviathan dreads which are in 40k, but they insist that 'ALL THE VOLKITE IS GONE, NO MORE VOLKITE!'

>>47249029
I like the idea of SOMETHING not lasting 10K years. It is kinda cheapening to say "look at all the shit humanity lost after ten thousand years of decay, but conveniently they all still exist somehow and you can buy the models from us."

>>47248928
Aww, a first I though they were plastics.

>>47249072

The idea of 30K as being more advanced than 40k rather than better at some things and worse at others but overall a pretty similar tech base has been laughable for a long time.

>>47248955
If logistics break down Tau colonies will be the ones that suffer the most.

>>47249072

You know the gimmick of Volkite is that it's war of the worlds style martian death rays, right?

That's way too valuable an iconic weapon type for the faction to waste on only letting them have it in a side game.

>>47249103

Tau can still travel if the Astronomicon goes down. In fact, outside the Eldar and Necrons they'll become the fastest faction.

>>47246484
>CSM
>same tier as Orks
Holy shit CSM players are dumb as bricks. This is why they don't care about your faction, you guys undervalue your army even more than Space Marine players does.

>>47249147
They still rely on their skimdrives to operate outside their home cluster.

>>47249166

Yes.

Which will make them faster than humanity by a long shot.

>>47249166
Okay. Lets address this piece of ignorance.

The Tau had skim drives and even back then the Skim Drives were not reliant on the Warp. They don't enter the Warp or interact with it. The Tau skim in the void between real space and the warp. That's why the Tau old travelling method did not get affected by whatever happens in the Warp (Warp storms, warp anomalies etc).

The Tau new method of travel doesn't even skim anything. It's just propulsion engines.

Old and new, the Tau do not rely on the warp to travel. They will be fine.

>>47249149
I have large CSM and Ork armies. Orks can do MSU with trukks, and have more viable units than CSM. To be honest I dont even see how its a debate, the Ork codex is noticeably better to build an army from. CSM just have nothing useful/worth the points - outside of Spawn and Sorcerers.

>>47249252
Well shit, when did they re-re-re-retcon the reverse engineering of ork drives?

>>47249328
>MSU
Don't you mean MFP?

Is it possible to play Mechanicum battle tanks just like that or do i have to make them an allied detachment?

>>47249356
Dude....

The 3th ED Tau got their skim engine from reverse engineering the wreckage of a mysterious alien ship on the moon of their home planet T'au. What species the ship belonged to was never revealed.

The Kroot were the guys who gained access to Orkish technological knowledge when their ancestors devoured Orks who crash landed on their homeworld Pech.

The Retconing of the Tau skim engines happened in their 6th ED codex.

110-Herald of Nurgle, Lesser Reward, Greater Locus of fecundity, Doomsday Bell
150-Plaguebearers, Plagueridden, Lesser Reward, 15 total models
270-6x nurglings

35-Furies

360--Tzeentch Prince w/ ML3, Flight, 2 greater rewards, 1 lesser reward, Impossibility Robes
250--Khorne Prince w/ Flight, Lesser Reward, Greater reward & Armour of Scorn
350--Slaanesh Prince w/ Flight, ML3, 2x Greater Reward, Soulstealer & Armour
315--Nurgle Prince w/ Flight, ML3, 2x Greater Reward

1850

R8 H8 Masterb8, all i need for this is a bunch of nurglings, one Prince and the Furies. I'm not planning on using this for casual store games, but as a rematch/tournament army. If i trimmed 275 points/play at 2000, i can also put a D-Thirster down.

>>47247798
>$1200 plus tip for Big E plastic toy
>comes with a squad of Custodes

>>47249451

If I'm going to pay $1200 for an Emperor model it'd better be life size and have a motor in the arm so it can shake my hand.

>>47249501
>If I'm going to pay $1200 for an Emperor model it'd better be life size and have a motor in the arm so it can give me a tuggy, and a damn good one at that.

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based on pic related, what is better?
>tldr 3 vehicles get shot and 1 loses a hp, next turn put the wounded one in the front or back?

>>47249516
Oh! Aw! An old fashioned!

>>47249544

Turn around and stop letting fucking tac marines shoot your triple vindicator squadron in the back

>>47249544
Depends on the vehicles, if they are all useful spreading the hurt is better.

>>47245651
>Culexus
Does that also mean they can't go to ground, or move when being charged (DA, Darkstrider)? Can they fight back in combat or are they all auto hit?

>>47249516
I always thought the best 40k scale use of an imperator class would be to fight on top of one as a board. One of the landing pad versions

>>47249567
Vindicators aren't HP2

>>47249577
EMPEROR not Imperator.

>>47249589
Are you really this retarded? It is Imperator. Emperor class titan refers to both Imperator and Warmonger class titans.

>>47249703
Are you retarded? reread what you're quoting, god damn. If they RELEASE A MODEL OF THE EMPEROR THAT COSTS 1200$ ETC

>>47249703
And the subject is a Model of the Emperor of Mankind.

>>47249577
>I always thought the best 40k scale use of an imperator class would be to fight on top of one as a board. One of the landing pad versions

>>47249589
>>47249703
>>47249722
>>47249726

>>47249753


>>47249451
>$1200 plus tip for Big E plastic toy
>comes with a squad of Custodes

>>47249722
>>47249726
The faggot referenced that a titan would be a good playboard instead of the emperor model.

>>47249501
Poorfag please...

>>47249770

Read

>>47249577


All these people complaining that people can't follow the chain yet they themselves haven't followed it either,

>>47247348
You posted this yesterday and I gave you a Tau list.

HQ
Commander
2x Burst Cannons
Command and Control Node
Multi-spectrum Sensor Suite
Neuroweb System Jammer
Stimulant Injector
1x MV4 Shield Drone

Troops

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod

Strike Team
5x Fire Warriors with Pulse Rifles
DS8 Support Turret with Missile Pod

x3 Broadsides

Pathfinders (5)


There. 750.

>>47249787
Keep following the chain till you hit >>47249451

>>47249793
No, read here you fucking moron.
>>47249577

>>47249793
Yes, and then the subject matter changed to a titan. kys

>>47249806
So why did you quote the discussion about emperor models then? The imperator post had nothing to do with anything being discussed, so presumably there was a misreading somewhere

>>47249451
Custodians will come before Emperor. Emperor, if ever, will be Siege of Terra.

It's obviously going to happen.

What is not known, is if they will do a Emperor Class Titan.

It won't be to scale, as a scale Emperor class is 4ft tall.

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>>47249793

>>47249828
>This just in, bringing up other subjects is no longer allowed.

All he said was that he thought that it would make a good play board. You don't need to shit a knot because your mind couldn't handle changing subjects. It must be hard not being able to chew bubblegum and walk at the same time.

>>47249844
Funny, considering how one of the major characteristics of autism is a tendency to walk into a conversation and start talking about things they find interesting whether it's on-topic or not.

>>47247619
That's a big Knight.

>>47249935
For you.

>>47249899
Just like you're doing right now?

>>47249993
you brought up autism, i'm being on subject.

>>47249993
Shh, let him fester on his own. He is just going to continue digging his own grave thinking hes won.

>>47250014
If he thinks he has won, why would he continue?

Okay so if Russ is being done, does that mean it's Burning of Prospero next?

If so, doesn't that mean Custodians and Sisters of Silence rules? If not models?

>>47249899
Actually, the comment was on topic. They were talking about scale. So they moved onto Emperor class Titans, which would be huge if to scale.

New topics are started when somebody brings something relevant to the topic, but also divergent enough to talk differently. How do you do convos, anon?

>Hi I like cakes
>Yes, cakes are good
>This topic has now been completed, we may now move onto another topic which may or may not be related to bakery goods

>>47250052
Definitely not Custodes.
Also just because they are coming out with a Primarch doesn't mean some conspiracy theory to give updates in the wake of his story-line are guaranteed.

>>47250079
Well Burning of Prospero is the first major Space Wolves engagement, he doesn't have rules yet, and that so happens to be where the Custodians and Sisters of Silence did a major action (Horus Heresy action, anyway).

Who knows, it could be, could be not. My assumption would be they'd do rules (they've already said they ARE doing rules and models, two years ago) and leave the models till Dark Angels and Blood Angels have gotten their Primarchs.

Still no Alpharius model thou.

>>47247888
This so much

Forge World has become a parody of itself.

If i don't see an xbox hueg fuck off Knight literally no one on earth would buy or want to field/play against when i click on 'What's new' i feel truly shocked.

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FW. FW stahp.

>>47249062
Does it say somewhere that contemptors cannot be made anymore? I merely understood that their systems are more sophisticated and they use a different power source than castaferrums, so they're harder to make.

Even in 30k volkites are being phased out in favor of other weapons, since they're harder to make and maintain than, say, bolters.

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>>47250212
>>47247810
>>47247798
>>47247783
>>47247766
>>47247619
Meanwhile

>>47250222
The atomantic reactor is beyond anything the forgeworlds can produce at this point.
Which usually means they totally can still make it, and do so regularly, but would rather keep that stuff for themselves.

>>47250270
It's kind of weird. I'd have thought ork vehicles would allow their designers to go completely wild.

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>>47250212
>That inevitable purchase with Little Jimmy Taufag daddy's credit card
>That skipping of the resin in hot-water phase
>That lazy piss poor cheap super-glue assembly
>Witnessing this thing tip over under it's own weight and smash into pieces every single game

Something's money can't buy.

>>47247382
Using that logic can IG use 5e codex's entry for Sly Marbo? After all. It's his latest rules

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>>47250212

>>47250286
Aren't dreads made by chapter forges, just like all the other Marine vehicles and weapons? Some chapters do rely on forge worlds, but most make their own crap.

>>47250212
Looks cool desu.

>>47250168
They must be selling or they wouldn't be made. Just because YOU don't buy them, doesn't mean others don't.

>REEE FUCKING FORGE WORLD WHY DON'T YOU MAKE STUFF EXPLICITLY FOR ME? FUCK YOU!!!
>IMMA STILL GONNA FOLLOW THE SETTING AND PLAY THE GAME AND STUFF BUT I'LL BUY FROM RECASTERS INSTEAD!!

>>47250385
>They must be selling or they wouldn't be made. Just because YOU don't buy them
By that logicAoS is selling by the truckload

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>>47250394
>Everyone is bitching about FW and I am just over here ordering Fire Raptors at $70USD/ea

>>47250422
Again, just because you don't, doesn't mean other people don't.

Then again, this is GW, who supported WHFB for 3 more editions despite selling so poorly.

>>47250452
WHERE. I MUST HAVE THE GUNSHIPS

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>>47250293
>wild
Nah not even close.

Look how cookie-cutter and 'safe' the Gorkanaught is.


>S-s-so that plastic Squiggoth you all want? yeah fuck it, the new unit is a generic walker! haha! every Ork loves shitty walkers with yet more Power klaws yeah? U-uh..uhm....DATZ DED STOMPY amirite guise???
>O-oh god please buy it ;_;

When GW and FW find their balls maybe they can build an Ork unit worth a fuck

>>47250452
That's what I said, isn't it?

I should have ordered some stuff a long time ago to get onto his mailing list. He's blocked new orderers iirc. Z was the only person doing OOP Dark Elf Executioners.

> Supporting GW ips after Age of Shitmar.

It's like you aren't even trying to troll, OP.

>>47250270
> Orks
> Needing or following rules

Don't be a grot ye git.

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>>47250466

>>47250314
Why bother when three Riptides will do twice the job at half the cost?

They'll also look three times as shit with that 2cool4school redandwhite paint scheme.

>>47250485
I'll do whatever I want with my money. Who the fuck are you to tell me what to do with my hard earned cash.

Fucking communist scum.

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>>47250485
Why would I stop playing 40k just because Fantasy, which has always been shit, has continued to be shit now that nobody plays it anymore?

>>47246989
Oh, it's alright, then.

>>47250485
>Why are you supporting an unrelated product to the thing I don't like?
>STOP DOING IT STOP IT I SAY BUY WARMAHORDES!!!

WHFB has always been shit and now they can finally go "We tried, we're closing AoS down so no more fantasy for you".

>>47250480
Yeah buddy, I was agreeing with you.

I never used Z just CCON and The American

>>47250507
> hard earned cash

the dole

>>47250530
>BUY WARMAHORDES!!!

This is exactly what I was going to say to >>47250485

I don't know how those PP shills stay in denial.

>>47250556
I like Warmachine, but it's definitely no 40k/Fantasy. There isn't a real competitor to GW that's "40k/Fantasy, but balanced" right now.

>>47250532
Oh. Well I suppose I could give them a shot. Never heard of the latter.

>>47250556
Were you here for the King of War vulture shilling? It was funny as fuck.

>omg AoS is shit
>Buy KoW! It's so much better! Here is misinformation to make your decision easier?

I don't even like AoS but it was so obvious and it bleed into 40k as well as the shills tried to get people in here to switch because "oh it's going to happen to 40k soon! Don't support the evil joos at GW!!!!"

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>the chaos knight and kytan daemon engine are arguably the only decent chaos gargants/super heavies
>lord of skulls will never be updated to be remotely usable
>daemon lords will remain horribly dated

Why is it so difficult to create a playable giant murder daemon?

>>47250212
Now that has me hard.

What is a fetish for railguns called?

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Wait what's happening with FW?

>>47250317
Is he a formation?

>>47250579
>Never heard of the latter.
That is kind of the point but you can find CCON easy enough.
Probably, he just switched emails this year and you missed that dank ~30% 5/9/16 sale

>>47250619
He's a model no longer available.

>>47250608
Tauphilia

>>47250635
God damnit. I'm a retard when it comes to recasting and I just like keeping up to date when I actually have time for making models.

>>47250317
Yes. Models and formations which have existed in the past but are no longer current, can be used now.

How many Swooping Hawks can make an attack with the Intercept ability?

rule say "a model with this special rule" does that mean all models that has the rule or a model in a unit?

>>47250616
They're making new models for Tau's upcoming IA14 and people are upset it isn't Orks or Daemons or whatever specific army they play. So they're evil joos. Oh and a big Knight, so evil joos at it again.

>>47250650
I'll allow it.

>>47250654
Naw, don't care for their other shit, just railguns... and the remoras... man if they could have those rail rifles... mmm....

>>47250532
>The American
Calling bullshit, never heard of an actual US based recaster that does orders.

>>47250079
Thousand son rules for 30k finally?

>>47250616
Basically they're making more Knights and fuckhueg Tau battlesuits, which people are pissed about for the same reason they're pissed about the Space marines generally bloated roster.

>>47250687
>Two continents with America in their names
>The American MUST be from the US

You can call bullshit all you'd like, doesn't really affect me or my orders. He does have a smaller catalog but he is best for his bits and non vehicle models.

>>47250687
He might be an American in China.

>>47250682

Oh hey, maybe we'll get a T'aunar main weapon that has stats that actually match it's appearance, unlike the Pulse Ornance Single Shot D Blast With Secondary Inaccurate As Shit Battle Canno.

Is it statistically a bad weapon? Of course not, it's a fucking 7 inch D blast, but fuck if it ain't nothing like what the gun looks like it does.

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>>47249789

>>47248583
The return of just a single primarch would save humanity but they all decided to go in stupid quests

>>47250706
I know the feeling, we have potholes and paths where the street lights are so bad people are afraid to walk on them.

Meanwhile they've commissioned sculptures for millions.

>>47250734
>The return of just a single primarch would save humanity
Except khan, because he's useless.

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>>47250604
because GW can't be bothered to redo some old chaos superheavies. also csm have the greater brass scorpion, the plague reaper, and some other apoc only superheavies. if you talk to your locals it should be fine

>>47249413
looks alright but you're light on anti air and i guess you'd need to smash to deal with av14. the princes will do amazing work in that formation and sharing warlord traits is hilarious. i think tzeentch warlord traits might be best for 3+ warp charge, +1 to invul, -1 bs/ws when aiming at warlord, and ignore first perils.

>>47249413
Pretty good, only suggestions I'd have is cleaning up some of the rewards and maybe experimenting with the relic choices. For example, two greater rewards with impossible robe might be going a little overkill on survivability considering anything broaching that flying T6 2++ rerollable is likely a D weapon on a 6 which you just can't do anything about. Similar for the armor on the slaanesh prince, but I guess that is more related to how confident you'd be that the prince would stay alive before soulstealer just returns him to a full 4 W.

If you free up some points consider a ML on the herald, or maybe putting grotti on your nurgle prince instead of the bell.

>>47250604
>not Brass Scorpion
that thing is fucking brutal, not as good at removing vehicles at range as a double double turbolaser warhound but better at everything else and fucking terrifying in CC

>>47250212
What damage can that railgun even do? The Multidriver is already a D large blast. Is that thing gonna be an automatic 6 on the D table if it hits or something?

>>47250740
Exactly. Loads of 40K armies have bloated rosters of increasingly superfluous shite whilst others are essentially unsupported.

Is it ever worth taking special weapons in a pathfinder squad?

If so, are special weapons best in a full squad, or in a minimum squad of four?

>>47250732
What? It's allowed in his crazy limit. One Heavy (Broadsides) One Fast Attack (Pathfinders) and the rest are troops. Broadsides get +1BS and can dish out decent AT stuff. The troops will deal with any troops they face. Commander buffs Broadsides to get Ignore Covers while the FW can use marker lights.

He asked, I provided. He could take a Stealth Cadre Formation with 250 points more of FW if he wanted.

>>47250773
I think he was being facetious comparing government maintenance with a hobby about homoerotic men and big suits.

>every painting tutorial on youtube nowadays is using nothing but airbrushing

fug

>>47250772
Small blast no scatter S:4D

>>47250772
Heavy 1 S:D with +1 on D table.

>>47250772
Strength D line blast (goes through targets and hits shit behind them)?

>>47250729
>7 inch D blast

Think you mean 10" Vortex. And it can unload all 8 missiles in one go.

Meanwhile Guard Deathstrikes can't get Vortex missiles and have to jump through hoops to even fire their missile.

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Are you queers ready to bend over for the Greater Good?

>>47250772
Str. D Beam with +1 on the D chart.

>>47250716
>The American MUST be from the US

Logically speaking, that's a pretty safe assumption. I have never met somebody who refers to themselves as an "American" unless they're only doing it to spite Americans ("But TECHNICALLY..."). Every other nation in the Western Hemisphere has a different national identity, and only people from the US go by American on a regular basis.

>>47250840
>being this slow

We've already gone into autistic shitfits it isn't our specific army.

>come to /40kg/
>see fucking new Tau shit

WHY THE FUCK? FUCKING FW JEWS! MAKE SOME FUCKING SOB STUFF FOR FUCKS SAKE OUR SHIT SELLS THE MOST AND THEREFORE SHOULD BE MADE THE MOST. FUCK YOU GOOS DOUBLEJEWS!

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>>47250867
>Sister players being this mad
Play a better race Gue'la.

>>47250788
Possibly, though it's not a bad comparison. Both are essentially a case of a group spending more money on chasing investment in a profit making area despite diminishing returns, whilst letting unprofitable property collapse on itself without ever considering if lack of investment and lack of profitability is a spiral rather than a logical reaction.

that happens here where I live too, some areas of the city are lovely GDI green zone style utopias, others are hugely deprived and yet others look literally like the 'after humanity' pictures you get where nature reclaims a city. Their argument is that they can't spend on an area that doesn't produce tax but realistically who is going to open a business there until they spend money on renovating it?

>>47250829

The fuck are you talking about, the Pulse Ordnance Multi Driver is a 7 inch D blast with a secondary fire mode of 3 shot apoc barrage S8 AP3, basically making it a much less accurate leman russ squadron if it shoots that way.

>>47250851
Its definitely a red herring if not used in spite.

You know how spiteful our neighbors to the north are :^)

>>47250872
that would look so much better if the long gun was on the hand he was sitting on, or if his hoof was actually resting on the arm instead of sliding off the front

>>47250840
Is... That an unlimited rack of D Missiles?

>>47250843

Heavy Rail Gun already has rules from the superheavy fliers.

It's just a SD single shot no-blast gun.

>>47250867
As a Tau player, even I want to see new sisters stuff.

>>47250904
I'd settle for plastics of old stuff.

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plastics when

>>47250923
when you stop touching yourself at night

>>47250933
Well shit, if you wanted to say never, just say never.

>>47250753
My method of dealing with AV14 is to ignore it. What will a Land Raider do to me, snapfire its heavy bolter? Not worth worrying over when i can kill everything else. Spartans may be a problem, but i have never seen one outside of 30k. Every other AV14 can be hit on a lower armour value or has never seen a tabletop since the start of 7th. Anti-Air i was considering trying to get the Slaaneshi to use the Iron Arm Lash trick, even if it doesnt work its still 2d6 s7 shots, which should put a dent on anything that isnt AV12 all round. The Tzeentch or the Nurgle tables seem the best, Khorne is pretty lackluster and slaanesh isnt much better.
>>47250757
I've lost too many games due to slay the warlord point to go without giving tzeentchy as much stuff as possible, and he'll probably always be the warlord due to 3++ rerollable at worst. The slaaneshi armour is useful, armour is needed to help with all those skyfiring autocannons out there, although gravcannons are as bullshit as ever. Grotti doesnt seem worth the points, on the herald it'll never catch anything and anything the nurgle prince runs into is going to be IDd by the Balesword, the only use i can think of is against EW characters who will hopefully get a face full of nurgling ASAP and sit there the whole match. Any other suggestions for relics?

>>47250933
>when you stop touching yourself at night
Then what'd be the point of Sisters?

>>47250923
Thats a weird way to spell squat.

>>47250892
This isn't a Heavy Rail Gun. Re-read it anon. It's a Heavy Rail CANNON.

>>47250961
>there is no edit of Pepe as a SoB REEEEing cause no SoB plastics yet.

>>47250972

Oh, neat.

Be nice if they specified what the other shoulder is though.

>>47250994
I'd guess... secondary capacitor to let it fire the cannon more often at risk of overheating.

>>47250961
Squats when?

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>>47250961
SoBs do lots of squats.

Gotta maintain that gluteus maximus

>>47251057
>xoxo
Is she greek?

>>47250923
Never.

Last I heard the Sisters are allegedly well on their way out. They are casting new SoBs till their moulds die and not replacing them.
Once there's only a couple of moulds left they'll likely finally can it in entirety.

>>47251071
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugs_and_kisses

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>>47250772
>tfw we have reached the point where S:D isn't strong enough

>>47250875
>The fuck are you talking about

Thought you were talking about the 2x4 missile armament on the new "suit".

>>47251076
Last I heard plastics were on the way.

>>47251078
Who says xoxo in a conversation?

>>47250892
Well, first of all, it's a cannon, not a gun. Second, why would anyone take a single shot, non-blast Str. D shot when the alternative has a 7" blast D?

>>47251102
it's a drawing

>>47251057
>Inquisitorial seal

Why do people keep on putting the Inquisitorial seal on Sisters when they're not Inquisitorial? The insignia on the Sisters is that of the Ecclesiarchy, which is an ][ with a skull and a halo.

>>47251057
>"Oh, I just went to get you some coffee..."
>throws it in your face
>"Because I wanted to try a new way of burning heretics like you."

>>47251107
>Second, why would anyone take a single shot, non-blast Str. D shot when the alternative has a 7" blast D?

Because GW is very good at giving out painfully suboptimal loadouts.

>>47251057
did she use the melta to make the coffee or is she about to murder me?

>>47251117
That's no reason to make her say stupid shit.

Also why does her bolter have melta barreles with a flame poking out?

Why is the coffe in a tankard, and why does it have froth?

4/10 solid artwork, poorlt thought out.

>>47251167
Well, it's a good thing this is FW and not GW, not isn't it?

>>47251178
>That's no reason to make her say stupid shit.
She's not saying it you idiot, it's a tone indicator, like the hearts

>Also why does her bolter have melta barreles
it's a multimelta

>with a flame poking out?
when metal gets hot enough it lights on fire. See videos of blacksmiths doing what they do

>Why is the coffe in a tankard
>implying the imperium knows how to make porcelain

>and why does it have froth?
>not drinking your coffee with frothed milk

>>47251185

In this kinda thing the fact that they're the same goddamn company, two teams or not, really shines through.

>>47251213
>Why is the coffe in a tankard
>implying the imperium knows how to make porcelain
>and why does it have froth?
>not drinking your coffee with frothed milk

Autism comes in many forms.

>>47251213
That a lot explanation instead of just doing it right from the start.

>>47250951
Fair enough, if you're not massing malefic rolls for cursed earth or taking fateweaver in the decurion for routine warp surges/grimoire somewhere then I can see just wanting to have a 4+ FNP in case things get touchy.

Grotti is more useful in skull cannon heavy line-ups but it almost always finds some use. Turning the slaanesh princes lash of despair into an instant death weapon on T4 is swell, and if you're spending rolls on iron arms you'll likely roll up an enfeeble as well.

My other relic suggestions would be try two greater rewards and skullreaver on the khorne daemon prince as well. If you get a bad reward just give the man BoB for rampage and watch him turn out two S:D hits at initiative 8 while hitting 7 other times as well. Paradox is also great for malefic tzeentch daemons as the guaranteed charges greatly enhances your psychic capabilities.

Also rolling tzeentch as warlord seems standard because that WL trait tree is BONKERS

>>47251224
Then why do people differentiate between FW and GW models? Or fluff? If they're the same and we shouldn't differentiate between the two just because they're two different design studios with different staffs and areas of interest, shouldn't everything good the FW do get attributed to GW as a whole?

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Who's betting that IA14 will change Red Scorpions chapter tactics to be top-tier?

>THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL FORM!

At this point, I'm surprised the Tau'nar doesn't have a big markerlight system to paint targets for the ships in orbit to fire at.