This is a mech(a) thread, in which we discuss legged war machines.

>>47231055
Someone post that knight girl picture and we will talk, untill then..

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>>47231055

At best I'd say 15 feet tall at most. I'm more partial to something about the size of the Umebozu from GiTS for the super heavy shit and exo-skeleton/muscle suits for everything else.

>>47231055
>How do you like your fightan robutts /tg/?
Non-existent.
Two-legged machines are unrealistic, immature and dumb concept most people stop appreciating when they grow mentally and realize they are giant wastes of resources with no justification.

>>47231133
No shit you fucking retard, do you really think we don't know that.

Their cool kiddo, don't take any opportunity you can get to spout off things someone smarter then you has said whenever you physically can.

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>>47231133
Thanks for the laugh, freebirth. Surats like you always make my day.

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>>47231055
The best way

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>>47231055
I like them with the appearance of a bomber cockpit with arms, legs and plenty of guns.

>>47231213
>>47231214
So, you know it's dumb and still use it because you can't craft a realistic conflict worth a damn. Good to know.
You faggots should just stick to your anime and not pollute tabletop scene.

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>>47231055
>How do you like your fightan robutts /tg/?
In 1:285 scale.

>>47231415
>>47231133
>I join threads just to say that I don't like what the thread is about.
>I don't like unrealistic stuff!
>On /tg/

How does it feel to be that much of a faggot? Is it like a constant, overwhelming emotion that normal people can't relate to, or is it more like a stench that follows you around and pisses you off? to the point where you lash out?

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>>47231415

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>>47231415
I don't know if you're a rookie troll who thinks being made fun of for being a retard is the same as pissing people off or genuinely retarded and only here to whine about something you dislike, so bravo for that much.

>>47231055
Heavy Gear, old school Armored Core, Front Mission and Chromehounds. Hawken-style cockpits on legs are fine too.

Battletech's mechs are too prone to looking silly for me.

>>47231476
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>>47231585
>waaah you apply logic to thing, you are a troll

>>47231709
I hope you don't play any games with magic or playable non-human races.

>>47231709
Me oh my, you seem to be saying you have logic. Do pray tell, tell me what your logic is? Go on, My First Troll, attempt to craft some bait in the form of a explanation of what your logic might be, so that I might laugh at you.

>>47231735
Magic is inherently illogical. I play it up as terrifying force that is beyond mortal control. This is also why i hate magic as science - you cannot apply rules to magic, because if you apply rules, they should correspond to real world. There's nothing in magic that is "real world".

Mechs aren't magic. They are built by people, and, therefore, should follow the laws of physics and be realistic. And realistically, tanks beat mechs.

>>47231824
>Mechs aren't magic.

>>47231833
Mechs aren't unless you apply dumb anime rules, but if you do you might as well make everything consist of marshmallows and rainbows because real-world physics do not apply anymore.

>>47231809
See >>47231824. Magic is magic. Reality is cold, hard facts. The two shall never meet.

>>47231055
How well can that thing dance?

>>47231824
If you're willing to suspend your disbelief enough to play with magic it isn't too much of a stretch to imagine a setting where material science has advanced enough beyond our own to reduce some of the disadvantages of mechs. That being said, bipedal mechs are stupid.

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>>47231055
Human sized, capable of battling evil with GUTS and HARD WORK, and powered by singularities. Attracted to girls a bonus.

Yeah, I went there.

>>47231848
I guess you also don't do science fiction or fantasy RPGs, then.

>>47231872
>it isn't too much of a stretch to imagine a setting where material science has advanced enough beyond our own to reduce some of the disadvantages of mechs.
The problem is, with same advancements tanks will still be superior. Mechas are just stupid and farther you try to justify it, the farther we go into marshmallows and rainbows territory.

>>47231878
Some sci-fi irks me, that's true. Fantasy is fine when it's low fantasy with magic that is completely detached from reality.

>>47231709
The only other option is you're legitimately mentally handicapped, so let's assume that instead.

We know they're unrealistic, impractical and silly. We LIKE that they're unrealistic, impractical and silly. They're fun, they look cool to us, and if we're here for mechs we're not here for realism. IT's the same thing as wanting to play in a game like 40k, Star Wars or D&D where there's actual magic and giant firebreathing lizards and demons and shit.

This might be hard for you, but just because someone likes something silly it doesn't mean they're some uneducated inferior plebeian who doesn't understand how silly they're being. It's a difference of opinion over whether someone likes fantasy and suspending disbelief for the sake of a good time or not.

You are not better than other people who don't share your opinions, and they aren't better than you. The dick-waving you're attempting by coming into a thread for people who like something just to talk shit about it, however, is at best retarded and going to just make us take the time to talk down to you like the child you're making yourself out to be or assume you're just here pretending to be retarded.

>>47231877
I'm alright with that.

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>>47231872
Logically, a haptic feedback system of control with a virtual reality sensory array is inherently more plausible and more effective than any other method of control for a war machine that is not a space craft, as it allows the user to react far faster and with more control than any other system of combat, thus meaning a humanoid format for war machines is logically more useful and capable than any other design for a war machine.

If you actually wanted to use logic.

>>47231848
EEEEEHHHHH, sorry! Wrong! Magic works on rules. Show me any price of fiction where magic doesn't have any governing rules. Go ahead, I'll wait.

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>>47231920
stop getting baited retards

post mechs

>>47231943
>tiny feet
How does it do such fantastic stunts?

>>47231965
Well first, you gotta pray.

>>47231934
Sure, but there are still plenty of issues with building humanoid mechs.

>>47231936
The governing rules of magic work on plot device and author necessity. This includes magic which makes no sense and for which the rules are seeming arbitrary and meaningless (Roger Zelazney's Changeling, Harry Potter, Tarot by Tanith Lee, The Thomas Covenant Chronicles, Greg Bear's Songs of Earth and Power, etc., all of whihc present magic as an undefinable and somewhat controllable force that has arbitrary restrictions for different people that may or may not apply to other people).

In other words, there are plenty of non-scientific systems of magic, but you will never find them in RPGs or in any books where there is an RPG made of it.

>>47231920
>This might be hard for you, but just because someone likes something silly it doesn't mean they're some uneducated inferior plebeian who doesn't understand how silly they're being. It's a difference of opinion over whether someone likes fantasy and suspending disbelief for the sake of a good time or not.
That's the problem. You go play RPGs, an inherently intellectual hobby, and what do you use your and others time for? Retarded bullshit. KNOWINGLY playing retarded bullshit is worse than just doing it because you're 12 and don't know better.

>>47231936
Ever heard of thing called "mythology"? Google it, it's enlightening.

>>47231998
>people are having fun in ways that trigger my autism
>making a fool of myself will surely make them stop

>>47231998
>RPGs are an intellectual hobby
Fuck off, I just want to roll dice and snort cocaine with my friends every Saturday night.

>>47231824
Battletech has tanks and even aircrafts that take on mechs with rules from them as well. I suggest you look that setting up as I am sure that it can change you mind.


Or you can just go fuck yourself for being this weak of a troll and "realistically" you have no clue what in the fuck you are talking about as there has never been a mech on tank battle in real life.

Modified HAZMAT/EOD/EVA suits with light weapons, military-industrial white elephants, or multi-million-dollar vanity projects for the filthy rich.

Just like in real life

>>47231055
I love 'em all.

My preferences trend towards machines that are portrayed as military but still leaps and bounds above other forces - NEXTs, for example, where yeah, tanks and stuff exist but core combat is mech-on-mech and everything moves and acts on a scale that makes them feel larger-than-life. I'm not a big fan of clunky, plodding machines that attempt to be realistic - it just makes the divide between them and actual military machines more wide as you wonder why these things ever came into prominence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVJTGLL2SnI
Don't forget. The Kuratas vs Megabot fight is less than a month away.

>>47231055
I don't have a pic to represent because it seems to be fucking rare sadly.
I like my robots feasible.
Now before someone goes off the handle "hurdur mecha never feasible!" what i mean by "feasible" is no stilt like 2 legged machines but a torso region that makes up 95% of the mass of the robot, no 80 foot long mass of metal you'd call a gun attached to a 15 foot robot at its highest point, stupid design choices in general are basically my bigges dislike and it seems there aren't ANY pictures that avoid these types of things.

>>47231133
Two-legged machines are an unrealistic, fantastic and cool concept most people continue to appreciate when they grow mentally and realize that being an autistic and immature faggot who gets stirred up over FICTIONAL works being FICTIONAL and UNREALISTIC is a giant waste of time with no justification.

>>47231453
Oh so a table top game for ants

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>>47231998
Oh, you're THAT GUY.

Here, have an elf with the greatest sword made by humans.

>>47231980
We've been making them for some time now.

>>47231824
I bet you hate star wars

Robots should be fantastic. Massive metal titans facing equally titanic odds. There should be something mythic about a good robot.

>>47231919
>magic that is completely detached from reality.

So all magic.

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>>47231085
This one...?

>>47231055
Carrying four artillery cannons on their backs.

>>47231055
I want my mecha to slowly evolve into giant magical girls, because it's secretly a fantasy setting in space, and half the series is spent in denial of it

>>47231613
I don't play battletech but I know those rolls

>>47232284
Don't you have Ultra Girls for that and kinda/sorta Macross?

>>47231055
I'm a sucker for mechs in settings with futuristic technology, but almost medieval social orders (40k, Battletech, etc). The machines are considered valued heirlooms or relics or something, and mech pilots have a special knight-like place in society.
I know it's been done a lot, but I still love it.

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>>47232284
Do you know about Asuka in ANIMA, anon?

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I like my mechs as engines of war, preferably with lots of guns and missles.

What's the latest on Heavy Gear?

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>>47231055
>How do you like your fightan robutts /tg/?

FUCKING BOXY. FUCK YOUR SHARP BITS AND WINGS

>>47232840
THIC

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I'm pretty open to almost all kinds that aren't chicken-walkers.

>>47231214
>Can't fish with an ERPPC, mate.
But surely you could fire it at a patch of water, boom, instant cooked trout/salmon/cod/whatever.

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>>47231055
Organic and cute.

>>47231998
Christ, how autistic are you?

Like any game, people play RPGs to have fun. Fun is completely personal and subjective, if someone finds something you don't like fun, they're not inferior to you.

But if you think people having fun in ways you don't or can't understand makes them retarded, you are That Guy and an unpleasant person.

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>>47231055
Like this.

Not too big. Tanks are still kings of firepower, and these guys just fill the gap between infantry and tanks. Conventional tech without going FULL WEEABOO

Heavy Gear remains my favorite mecha setting, bar none.

>Heavy Gear
This is the closest thing we will ever have to a Votoms miniature wargame.

>>47231133
>Two-legged machines are unrealistic

Say that to Atlas.

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>>47231824
>Mechs aren't magic. They are built by people, and, therefore, should follow the laws of physics and be realistic.

Thats an interesting theory. What about for mecha where, even in setting, the fact that they don't follow the laws of physics is known, recognized, and understandbly feared?

>>47234664
But anon! In that implied setting they absolutely play by the laws of physics. They just use super science to break the limited laws of physics on the 3rd dimensional plane then mishmash higher dimensions physics with other realities that use different big bangs and thus entirely different laws of physics. Also gods real and he's a horny teenager. No magic needed.

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>>47234904
the guy is squealing that that isn't allowed

>>47234904
But the physics involved are sufficiently advanced enough to be indistinguishable from magic!

>>47235094
Buts not magic anon! Its Super Science. Its like Science's badass Harley riding grandma.

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As trash as they are in-game, I love these guys.

>>47235187
Super Science is B-Movie Magic, and you know it!

>>47235187
well then henceforth all mecha posted on /tg/ will have the superscietific "make it fucking work" drive, which does what you would guess

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>>47231709
>why isn't fantasy realistic

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Stop feeding the troll, guys.

Post mecha.

>>47232166
I'm so excited. Do you know if it'll be broadcast live. And when so?

Anybody here still play GGG? Anybody here interested in playing GGG? #GiantGuardianGeneration seems pretty firmly dead.

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>>47231055
Either: slow, walking behemoths of guns and murder, or

3fast5furious air/spacecraft that shit sonic booms and lasers

High-speed hovering craft are also acceptable.

My mechs have 3 tiers.
Tier 1 is basically powered suits and body armor, crafted for specificed roles, infiltration, and heavy firepower on the battlefield
Tier 2 are about 10-15 ft bipedal tanks used for front line assault, sieges, and other offensive battle roles
Tier 3 are gundam sized used only in the most extraneous of circumstances as the last resort or as a military's trump card. think of them like flagships.

>>47231998
You know, when attempting to troll people, you gotta not just come walking in with a gigantic "I AM TROLL NAOW, LOOK AT ME MOMMY, DO YOU SEE? I AM TROLL! DID I DO GOOD?" sign plastered to your forehead.

Kinda defeats the purpose.

>>47231214
Fukken saved.

>>47235190
>No veteran sentinel full army list
Why even live.

>>47231476
>OP asks how anons like their mechs
>anon says he doesn't like them
>weebs become extremely butthurt at this honest answer

>>47231055
Zombie mechs. Paper armor, ugly boxy shape, drab colors, twenty zillion redundancies so that they just keep coming until you kill the pilot. Bonus points for AI, more bonus points for high contrast between the design theories of each combatant. Make the gundams fight these things and I'll be happy.

>>47232166
We havent gotten an update from them in 7 months. Nothing. I seriously doubt its still happening.

>>47235725
Protip: "Honest answer" doesn't require people to be gigantic assholes for literally no reason.

No one gives a shit that he doesn't like thing.

He's just a dickhead, and we're mocking him for it.

And you, because you're very likely just him doing damage control, because who the fuck would stick up for such a newfag doing newestfag-tier "trolling".

>Muh realism
Guess what guys, mechs as a concept are not inherently shit. The problem is that army fags lack creativity and mech fags don't can't into engineering.

The idea that you use a massive walking robot to fight tanks is retarded, no one is replacing the tank, they're still useful and they work. Instead the mech is clearly meant for other roles.

In addition to still having conventional mobility like VOTOMs for normal movement over roads, feet allow for support vehicles to follow infantry into mountains and valleys. Infantry could also make use of the mech as a mobile crane and digger.

High silhouette can be used as an advantage as long as you can lower yourself; firing support weapons like ATGMs before lowering to a hull or turret down position to avoid incoming fire.

Finally, the mech actually turns out to be a rather handy radar and anti-air platform. They can position themselves better, fire and move faster to avoid counter attack, and would be able to reload faster with the use of arms.

>>47235842
Actual protip: 4chan is not your safe space
Additional life hack: you are way too paranoid and stuck up

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Xabungle mecha. They're gritty but fun, dirty but futuristic and very intuitive to control.

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>>47231055
Honestly, I'm not really fussed, but if you forced me to pick, I've always had a soft spot for clunky mechs. Always liked it when a mech's armour plating is overlapping itself.

>>47235190
Yeah, even though I don't play Guard, I've always like Sentinels. Something about the feet.

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>How do you like your fightan robutts /tg/?

Clunky and Teutonic.

>>47235241
Thats just handwaving at that point anon! We gotta be better than that!
>>47235250
But anon! Thats a poor excuse. Evangelions WHOLE setting is based on the idea that adam and eve were seeds that contained one half of the powers of the ultimate precursor, intelligence and super sciencey powers they somehow evolved, and that we accidentally got both seeds which wasn't supposed to happen which sets us up to become just as powerful as the precursor race. Which we do. It makes perfect sense!

>>47231998
>Ever heard of thing called "mythology"? Google it, it's enlightening.
But magic in myth does follow rules, you dumbfuck. Sure, myth don't elaborate on the mechanics of magic, but they do often describe the steps necessary to achieve specific magical effects. If you can repeat the same steps and always get the same effect, that means there is indeed some form of internal logic to magic.
I mean, fuck's sake, what do you think magical grimoires are? Most of them describe incredibly specific rituals, ways to perform them and the individual meaning or every part of the ritual and how they all connect.

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I like my mecha horrifyingly advanced. The later Macrosses are good for that. Gargantia, too.

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>>47232271
Sup.

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>>47235989
So you mean exactly like heavy gear?

>>47231919
/k/ go home. You're embarrassing yourself by arguing logic vs rule of cool. Let them have there fun, that's what games are all about.

>>47236390
Sure, why not. Heavy Gear did fine getting the real robot genre on the TT.

>>47236417
Fuck yes it did.

But I will accept any mecha system that treats it similarly. The idea of mecha is to bridge the gap between tanks and infantry, replacing neither. Whether that's walking drones or powered armour, I am no respecter of settings.

Giant weeaboo fightan robots is cool sometimes, but it's only for fun and immersion breaking at best.

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>>47231055
Big 'n' thick.

>>47232436
An entire show about that sort of thing

>>47236626
See, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. I don't mind a good milfic robot, but my favorite approach to mecha is one that makes them out and out superheroic - weird, unique, and impossible to mass produce.

One show that really nailed it for me was Overman King Gainer, which had both realistic-ish mechs that were clearly just mass-produced walking weapons platforms designed to support infantry squads with automatic fire or anti-tank weaponry, and then the Overmen who were weird, almost biological creatures with strange superpowers.

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>>47231613
This is amazing. I need more.

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I like mine with about as much range of motion as a human, with a focus on melee fighting.

>>47236156
Man, the cheats codes in Age of Empires II are getting insane.

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>>47231055
randomized and futuristic

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>>47236959
Also punchy. I fucking love when giant robots throw down some fisticuffs.

>>47237077
It's not a mech if it can't swing a punch or throw a kick.

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>>47231055
SYMMETRICAL!!!

>>47231214
GOD DAMN IT THUNDERBOLT TDR-9S!

>>47231255
Stupid Sexy Clanners...

>>47231872
>That being said, bipedal mechs are stupid.
Pillar-erect bipedal organisms are also stupid, but odds are you probably are one...

>>47231877
>>47231924
>I'm alright with that.
As am I.

>>47232284
>I want my mecha to slowly evolve into giant magical girls, because it's secretly a fantasy setting in space, and half the series is spent in denial of it
>>47232388
>Don't you have Ultra Girls for that and kinda/sorta Macross?
>>47232436
>Do you know about Asuka in ANIMA, anon?
This is clearly a thread of excellent taste!

>>47232969
>almost all kinds that aren't chicken-walkers.
FUCK YOU, CHICKEN-WALKER IS LOVE, CHICKEN-WALKER IS LIFE!

>>47233416
>Organic and cute.
Then it isn't a Mecha Anon, it's a Kaiju...

>>47234664
>What about for mecha where, even in setting, the fact that they don't follow the laws of physics is known, recognized, and understandbly feared?
Too be fair, such universes usually contain and/or have come into contact with Ryoma Nagare...

>>47235190
>As trash as they are in-game, I love these guys.
>>47235701
>>No veteran sentinel full army list
>Why even live.
Indeed...

>>47235775
>Zombie mechs. Paper armor, ugly boxy shape, drab colors, twenty zillion redundancies so that they just keep coming until you kill the pilot. Bonus points for AI, more bonus points for high contrast between the design theories of each combatant. Make the gundams fight these things and I'll be happy.
...Did you ever watch G Gundam by any chance?

>>47236109
>Yeah, even though I don't play Guard, I've always like Sentinels. Something about the feet.
See above.

Cont.

>>47237199

>>47235989
>In addition to still having conventional mobility like VOTOMs for normal movement over roads, feet allow for support vehicles to follow infantry into mountains and valleys. Infantry could also make use of the mech as a mobile crane and digger.
>High silhouette can be used as an advantage as long as you can lower yourself; firing support weapons like ATGMs before lowering to a hull or turret down position to avoid incoming fire.
>Finally, the mech actually turns out to be a rather handy radar and anti-air platform. They can position themselves better, fire and move faster to avoid counter attack, and would be able to reload faster with the use of arms.
Muh Anon!

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>>47237146
Naw, I mean dedicated martial arts mecha.

I'm currently playing a campaign where everyone where everyone was a former professional mech fighter, but they and their mechs have been conscripted to fight an alien invasion.

Think Redline meets Pacific Rim.

>>47237199
>Pillar-erect bipedal organisms are also stupid, but odds are you probably are one...

I don't have an armoured carapace, so I'm not going to be able to shrug off much gunfire, nor am I strong enough to be used as a heavy weapons platform. You probably don't want a mech designed for war to share these disadvantages.

>>47237199
>...Did you ever watch G Gundam by any chance?
no I did not. Did I just describe it on accident? Because if so I have to go watch it.

>>47237250
>Naw, I mean dedicated martial arts mecha.
Had this as the bases for a Gundam series, Giant Humanoid Robots are the end result of Noguns Powered Armor fighting in Space Colonies, where the suits kept getting scaled up for intimidation factor til they were several stories tall

>>47237334
>>>/fit/

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>>47237028
>not 'historical supcom'

>>47237354
G Gundam has as its main villain a giant mecha that uses nanomachines to rebuild/regenerate things.

It went on a destructive rampage and used its nanomachines ('Devil Gundam Cells') to animate and enslave fighters from several nations, along with legions of unmanned robots. Thanks to the nanomachines they all have incredibly high regeneration that makes them difficult to defeat, necessitating excessive mecha kung fu.

G Gundam is basically a wuxia show pretending to be a giant robot tournament show.

>>47237334
>I don't have an armoured carapace, so I'm not going to be able to shrug off much gunfire, nor am I strong enough to be used as a heavy weapons platform. You probably don't want a mech designed for war to share these disadvantages.
But as an Infantryman, you are heavily mobile and ADAPTABLE.
Yes, Mech will never beat Tanks, but they will shit on anything LESS than a full MBT.

>>47237354
>no I did not. Did I just describe it on accident? Because if so I have to go watch it.
Basically, yeah, the big bad DEVIL/DARK Gundam is using what are essentially NANOMACHINES SON to resurrect the dead to pilot it's Mobil Suit Army.

See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXOCzB35kFY

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I like mine in space! Preferably with ships that need to spin to generate gravity.

>>47237403
>unmanned mecha
well...not quite unmanned.

>>47237808
>jovian chronicles
Ma nigga

>>47231055
I like them small, sport-focused, and semi- or fully autonomous.

>>47237827
Could have sworn the actual Death Army bots are unmanned. That show DOES have normal cockpit mobile suits used by the government, after all. Not everything is a Mobile Fighter.

Obviously, the various corrupted Mobile Fighters have actual pilots, but I could've sworn the mooks didn't.

>>47237808
Never liked mechs in space, personally. Seems like a waste of limbs.

>>47237865
The tournament arc talks about a bunch of missing people and cue finding a room full of Dark army 'pilots' They aint really people anymore but they aint drones.
>>47237846
mah brother JC has some of my favorite mecha designs and arguably is one of my favorite settings hands down.

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>>47237918
>he doesn't know about AMBAC

So one thing I think people overlook with mechs, is that they're probably Army: The Vehicle. Whereas the Marines are largely intended as an all out assault force, the Army is there to patrol occupied territory, to secure it, to combat disasters, etc. etc. A soldier isn't necessarily just the ultimate fighting machine, he's likely there to skilled or unskilled tasks in a situation where he can be attacked.

Mechs are perfect for combat engineering etc., loading and unloading, heavy lifting, setting up cover, righting tanks, etcetera.

Its not as "hardcore" if the mech is there to do stuff other than fight but I don't see the problem.

Gargantia on the Verduous Planet deals with this sort of thing, how useful mechs would be in times of peace as well as war.

>>47237943
Just use fucking wheels or thrusters like a normal person.

>>47237918
The setting delves into that including some latter models forgoing legs. Exo-armors are started life as combat space suits and just kept getting bigger, there's actual power armor as well but pilots find that frames are easier to understand and use and also look better for propaganda. It also helps that the machines are piloted by what amounts to a fullbody haptic feedback system called a linear frame or some such. Hell CEGA(earth) first basically took a thruster a cockpit and slapped a head on it and called it good.

>>47237199
>Then it isn't a Mecha Anon, it's a Kaiju...

Dude if you don't think evangelion and biomechs are of the mecha genre I don't know what to tell you.

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>>47237961
>burning fuel with thrusters instead of using natural, intuitive techniques for positioning in a weightless environment

>>47237949
I can see it though I can equally see mechs being damn fine for assault and lighting strike style attacks depending how good the technology is. Also if you can handle the latter episodes I strongly recommend Gasaraki as it delves into applications of mecha technology before going balls out insane.

>>47237923
I'm the Heavy Gear fag that's been spamming it this thread, so HG is still my favorite, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I absolutely loved JC. I remember getting the old core rulebook back in high school and constantly reading and rereading it inbetween the pages of my textbooks or hidden under the desk on my lap. Other kids were reading dirty mags and comics, I was pouring over DP9 books.

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>>47237918
Manipulator arms make sense for ships that need to move cargo or equipment, and sometimes situations may arise where a spaceship needs to use its manipulator arms to punch other spaceships.

>>47237991
What, our natural, intuitive movements we evolved for maneuvering in zero G and vacuum?
Anyway, my main beef is probably with the aesthetics. Flying around with machines clearly meant for walking. Like, what's the point.

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>>47238040
So what you're saying is that once the Russians separate their part of the ISS, a fight will break out and someone will start punching things with the Canadarm?

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ATSTs have always and always will be my favourite walkers, even if they can't hold up to anything.

There's just something about them...

>>47237949
doesnt patlabor kinda go in that direction

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>>47238094
Pretty much

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>>47238094
Oh shit, I just read that the Russians are supposed to get an arm of their own next year. It's fucking ON.

>>47238050
If someone grows up in a colony cylinder who's to say they wouldn't have a better grasp of how to use their body to move in space than we would normally?

>>47238172
Eh. Neuroplasticity does go a long way, but that that point you might as well use it to operate regular controls.
Do gendums even use mocap or direct neural interfaces? Because if they don't, the whole thing is moot.

>>47238214
Gundams dont but:
>>47237808
does actually, that said rumor was Gundam was gonna start out as a series focused on power armor and not mecha and just went from there.

>>47238214
Some do, some don't. Depends on the series. In the original series timeline neural interfaces were cutting-edge and reserved for newtypes since they could get the most out of them.

>>47237061
Type: Main Battle (+1 Main Mount)
Size: Huge (+2 Main mounts, +2 Secondary mounts, +1 SD, +3 production extras, +1 crew added extra +1 trait)
Locomotion: Hexapedal
Engine: Cold Fusion
Posture: Semi-erect
Feet type: Semi-Plantigrade
Mounts
Main Mount One
-Location: Arm
-Weapon: Heavy Howitzer 160mm, autoloading with APFSDS shells.
Main Mount Two
-Location: Shoulder
-Weapon: MLRS 140mm with 25 tubes, automatic target recognition with nuclear warheads. Pure fusion detonation.
Main Mount Three
-Location: Arm
-Weapon: Rotary Cannon 80mm, Chain autoloading with beehive flechette shells.
Secondary Mount One
-Location: Shoulder
-Weapon: Medium autocannon 60mm, computer controlled with HEI/AP shells.
Secondary Mount Two
-Location: Head
-Weapon: Microwave emitter for crowd dispersal, less than lethal attacks, and supplementary lethal armament.
Secondary Mount Three
-Location: Shoulder
-Weapon: Automatic Grenade launcher, 60mm, self-loading incendiary grenades. White phosphorous payload.
Cont. From rest of table
Armour Type: Buckpaper Reinforced Liquid Armour
Supplementary Defense:: Nanoswarm shielding
Optics: Satellite uplink with Hyperspectral imaging on board
Production Extra One: Extra Manipulator Arms
Production Extra Two: Radar Stealth Plating
Production Extra Three: Jump Jets
Production Extra Four: EMP Hardened Electronics
Crew Added Extra One: Imposing paintjob (gain Intimidating trait)
Crew Added Extra Two: Improved Ergonomics
Trait One: Distinctive, High Manufacturing quality and Reliable
Trait Two: Souped up engine.
Bonus Traits: Intimidating and NBC Sealed

Rolled this ludicrous Metal Gear a while back. Never figured out what to do with it though.

>>47238395
I mean it'd make a fun setpiece final boss or something. That said I think I'll stick to silcore after seeing that good lord.

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>>47231055

>>47231055
Use tanks and other conventional vehicles in a swarm tactic instead. Easier to produce, less expensive and can build huge conscript armies to crew them. Thread is now fixed.

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>>47237980
>Dude if you don't think evangelion and biomechs are of the mecha genre I don't know what to tell you.
Evas are CYBORGS though, Humans bolted a bunch of shit onto Angel Flesh to make them.
You wouldn't say an Angel is a Mecha, would you?

>>47238094
>So what you're saying is that once the Russians separate their part of the ISS, a fight will break out and someone will start punching things with the Canadarm?
>>47238146
>Oh shit, I just read that the Russians are supposed to get an arm of their own next year. It's fucking ON.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcY5tFKsQpk
GUNDAM FIGHT ALL SET?
READY?
GO!

>>47238100
>ATSTs have always and always will be my favourite walkers
I prefer the ATRT myself...

>>47238214
>o gendums even use mocap
>>47238243
>>47238261
Yeah, G Gundam does, hence the sexy pilot suit-up sequence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6Yuz2nnNmE

>>47237991
>Putting limbs on a thing when you could just use a gyroscope like a normal human being

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>>47238476
t. I have a small willy

>>47238506
Actually I revise my opinion. Guys how could we make a mech swarm work?

>>47238493
Le meaty pink puff was a cyborg too, she had radios, controls, etc.

And if angels had lil' angels inside them controlling them, sure.

>>47238518
Ever seen Gundam 00?

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>>47238518
There are always more Urbanmechs.

>>47238603
I just imagined a Conscript Rush but instead of Conscripts it's mechs. I think I just shit myself in fear.

>>47238446
>pray
>for answer
Oh Japan and your engrish

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What's a good system for a Gundam game?

>>47238719
Jovian chronicles for realsy.

>>47238699
Urbies really aren't ALL that frightening, they're basically big turrets on legs, not particularly fast either for a Light Mech if I remember correctly.

>>47238770
But that's why it's a rush so there are lots,LOTS of them. And even a shitty trashcan with legs can still inspire fear when they're in a massive horde.

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I like my robots to be of the super fighting variety.

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>>47237453
This is all that is needed to kill a mech. Anything .50bmg and up will.

>>47239493
And how many countries are fielding tankettes?
Let alone DRONE TANKETTES!

>>47239520
Every one is looking into them also a gun truck can kill them.

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>>47231055
Scrappy. Mechs are coolest when they're being held together by duct tape and prayers.

>>47239520
We got single man portable .50bmg's.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pAW3dlTMv6g

>>47239962
>We got single man portable .50bmg's.
A very good point.
We also have man portable anti-tank rockets and home made mines that can fuck up APCs.

>>47240026
Then imagine how fucked a top heavy mech would be.

>>47240068
>Then imagine how fucked a top heavy mech would be.
Imagine how MORE fucked a squad of Infantry on foot would be...

>>47240105
Not vary. Anti-vehicle weapons tend to be shit anti-infantry by virtue of them being designed to hit big targets with predictable trajectories and men are small and scamper everywhere.

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>>47239493
Even this?

>>47240199
Gravity kills that.

>>47240155
>Not vary. Anti-vehicle weapons tend to be shit anti-infantry by virtue of them being designed to hit big targets with predictable trajectories and men are small and scamper everywhere.
Well then, what if there was a vehicle that could move like a MAN?

>>47239962
>>47240026
>>47240068
We can design aircraft to be armored enough to avoid being taken out by a .50 at extended ranges, I'd at least expect an autocannon to be required to take it out.

Even if it isn't, we already operate lots of vehicles that can't take a .50; Humvee needed to be uparmored in order to protect it from assault rifle fire.

>>47231824

But in real life there are no "laws of physics", we just make generalizations based on the experimental data we have and the mathematical abstractions we can come up with based on that data. In 200 years our understanding of physics and how to manipulate bodys based on it could be so different from our current physics that mecha could become the superior kind of war machine. If you are claiming that "our science is at the contemporary level and Mechs are still feasible" then that is unrealistic, but having a whole different physical paradigm that makes Mecha feasible due to our having more knowledge about the world is quite realistic. The physics and general scientific knowledge of the early 17th century didn't support aircraft being a feasible weapon, of course later physics and scientific knowledge did. Mecha is no different.

>>47231561
Where is the base image for that one from?

>>47240313
Current armored Humvees are 20mm proof from what we where told from when we got them.

>>47240544
Yeah and they told you your helmets were rifle cartridge rated and then pistol caliber headshot casualties started piling.
>>47240280
It wouldn't though. Its much much larger so its profile is an issue, its weight would be building and stopping momentum is also an issue so again predictable trajectory and making it more armored would just slow it down more for shit like rocket propelled anything. You could also just damage the feet and leg joints which would be the weak areas which would cripple the mech. Flight just puts you in an area with nowhere to hide and shir aerodynamics would hinder dodging.

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I'm a big fan of the Knightmare Frames, but I've never actually bothered to watch Code Geas

Just like me some mecha what turn into bug-monsters.

>>47238446
Fokken SoM. First time I played that mission I geeked and freaked the whole time.

>muh giant boostuh rawkket
>muh frame rates
>muh missiles errwur

>>47240261
Not when they have anti gravity generators on them.

>>47240261
Not when your made of 10,000 year old technological bullshit.

>>47240686
Nope they told us a tt33s 7.62x25 will go strait trough it.

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Sometimes you take them seriously.
Usually my groups don't even take mortal peril seriously heh.
ROCKETO FISTU!

>>47240878
Power Dick activate!!!

>>47240853
Originally they told you your humvee's were 20mm safe and wouldn't let shrapnel through the bottom then soldiers started lining the floors with vests. They also originally told you your vests and helmet were rifle proof. Then the lawsuits set in, then the recall which didn't actually change anything. i'm guessing you weren't first out.

>>47240895
Is there a fatal module?

>>47231133
Arguing about entertainment on the internet is a giant waste of resources with no justification.

>>47240955
I guess my mom was right then. I really am a faggot.

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>>47240313
>Even if it isn't, we already operate lots of vehicles that can't take a .50; Humvee needed to be uparmored in order to protect it from assault rifle fire.
EXACTLY!
Just because there IS a counter doesn't stop us from using something.

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>heavy assault mobile weapons platform built around the use of drones instead of beamspam or energy swords
>slower than other units because of its mass
>technically not a front line unit
>not indestructible
>relies on a capable pilot instead of magic or plot armor (looking at you, RX-0)
>handles like shit in gravity

There's this line where rule of cool and practicality can merge. I like this sweet spot of Mecha that are cool as fuck and actually have a role they're built for and could actually pull it off.

Front Mission Wanzers are the perfect size. Armored Core V had a very nice scale too, and one can easily place Scopedogs into this scale too for lighter versions. Heavy wanzers just have good armor, superheavy weapons platforms are very GITS or much like the added bosses in FM1's DS remake.

Units below Scopedog size start going the way of Tachikomas- they're very vehicular even when you consider the weapons. Below that you have exoskeletal stuff, or possibly just straight body mods/full-prosthesis, depending on how far into the future you fling your setting/the feel you're going for.

Gundams are way too fucking big and needlessly stylish, even if I still like some of them.

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UUUULLLLLAAAAAA MOTHERFUCKERS

>>47241135
>Thunderchild Intensifies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb4BWSUV8mM

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>>47231055
*whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*

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>>47232654
New edition coming out soon.

>>47241506
Oh thank god they got rid of that d20 bullshit.

Also you're a bro and I hope you will continue to be a bro as the game gets updated.

>>47237991

Reaction wheels, how do they work?

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>>47241537
Some other bro anon posted this but I love me some Heavy Gear and JC.

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>>47241598

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>>47241598
I just realized I needed a new wallpaper for my phone, so I remedied that.

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I like my fightan robutts to also be jets

>>47231055
Lost Planet VS suits. that right there is what i consider best representation of Mecha.

gundam type mecha is also nice, and i enjoy them, but not as much as Vital Suits

>>47232229
Or a good game that understands proper scale.

>>47234123
>>47234550
>Heavy Gear
This. HG is my shit, man.

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>>47242051
LaBambaMan are you in the HG RPG test group by any chance?

>>47241506
So whats the plan for these guys? Are they going to kickstart its final release or something? Because I would be totally cool with that.

>>47242119
Nope, just a big fan. Hoping the new RPG doesn't suck so I can try and get my friends to play something other than Pathfinder. Now to read through the pdf that the other Anon posted.

>>47242367
I only asked cause I had a question about the xDM value but found the answer on their website.

>Margin of Success above 1 generates points to purchase added effects based on the list below. Effects cost variable points, which we are working out now.

>MoS Points: Margin of Success Table

>Double Base Damage
>Triple Base Damage plus others

Since this is a mech thread, figured I would ask: what's everyone's thoughts on AdEva? Thinking of running a campaign in it soon

>>47242531
Godd fucking damnit anon I'm fucking done with you. We already had this discussion in the beginning of the thread you fucking faggot.
(Don't listen to me anon I'm tired as shit)

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What would be some complications and dealing with said complications in cold climate campaigns?

Thinking of having an EFSF GMs hunt down a Zeon weapons testing base in Siberia or some other cold place

>>47242589
Wait what? I'm not the autist at the beginning of the thread anon

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>>47231055
Battletech-like

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It's still mecha dammit.

>>47243201
Is not

>>47234601

An Atlas is unrealistic. It'd float if it tried to go in water. Not a glowing recommendation for a machine whose supposed superiority to tanks is in its ability to function in more diverse and hostile environments.

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>>47243236
Close enough.

>>47231055
Mecha a shit.

That said, I do love hexapedal or quadrupedal designs for fighting machines. But humanoid stuff above a scale of 12-15 ft...well... there are more practical uses of resources.

And if you're in a war, efficient use of resources is kinda paramount.

>>47243248
Anon, did you glue a gunship onto a pair of legs again? And just for the record
>Is not

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>>47243296

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>>47243414
Anon real mechs have hard angular surfaces and stubby legs

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>>47243551

LIES.

>>47239668
>that "fuck am I reading" guy

>>47242673
Lubricants thickening up would be one. Would cause a major issue in your joints and just around the mech in general.

You'd also lose a lot of traction on thick snow which would make walking up inclines a pain the ass unless you had a good fix.

>>47236842
here you go now in animated form

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pyCsu0QRO0

>>47243414
>Literally two women just standing there whispering
lolwut

>>47242673
read up on what happened to the German tanks in the Russian front and start cribbing ideas from there.

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>>47243690
They're eyeing up the guy plating the arm. This is basic shit, Anon.

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>>47231055

I like Mechs looking Alien like,and slightly sleek looking, as opposed to clunky walking tanks. Though it really depends on the setting, as long as it isn't a chicken walker I will probably find something cool about it.

>>47243876
nono, why in hell are they there? Like why would the artist put those two women there.

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>>47243903
I like ones that are less walking tanks more walking god of war.

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I like my fighting robots boxy, covered in rivets, and with proper hands

I like my mechs oversized so they would be excessive to fight anything.

>>47244395
Do you also like to blaze weed?

>>47231255
my nigga

Timberwolf (D) for life

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>>47231055
Fast and pulling a punch, yet still fragile and primitive.

>>47238770
They're trash cans on legs that are slow as fuck and have no armor, but they have 360 degree rotation capability and one of the strongest weapons in it's game for a right arm.

Twenty damage from one is negligible, but try getting hit by a hundred.

>>47232232

I'm not the guy you responded to but--

What's that Penis? Really? I mean she's kinda bony... and the art's kinda-

Sorry lets come back to this another time my penis needs a walkies.

>>47245175
>20
10

>>47243201

Sorry, >>47243236 is right no matter how much I love me some Glitter boy.

>>47245274
>UM-R60L
>20

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>>47231055
On two wheels.

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>>47243236
>>47245297
Not the other guy, but you're going to have to explain exactly how the Glitter Boy is not a mecha.

>>47243926

>Women being useless in a work environment

To be as realistic as possible.

>>47245464
I read that as Motoslav. Anyone got some euromechs? Whats the point of legs if you can't squat.

>>47238719
Jovian Chronicles for crunch, Battle Century G for over the top anime fun.

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>>47245882
JC is fucking awesome. I picked up Ships of the Fleet book in some random hobby store and was hooked from that point on.

>>47242051
What's your opinion on the new sculpts?

>>47231055
MechWarrior-styled or 40k-styled.

>>47246519
It's weird how JC is probably one of the hardest Hard Sci-Fi RPGs ever, and yet is primarily about humanoid giant robots in space fighting with plasma swords.

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>>47234550
>This is the closest thing we will ever have to a Votoms miniature wargame.
Ever heard of Plotters City Woodo? The Votoms miniature strategy board game?

I really wish artists wouldn't put oversized guns with no ammo storage on mechs.

>>47241506
Wait, is this the old version or is it the new version and you're just joking?

>>47241537
Yeah that stuff sucks. A friend of mine put together a d10 system basically by himself and now that he has some printed off the people that pushed him for it are now clamoring for d20 with D&D classes and D&D mechanics.

>>47247654
>Wait, is this the old version or is it the new version and you're just joking?
http://arkritepress.com/2016/03/10/state-of-the-game/

>Yeah that stuff sucks. A friend of mine put together a d10 system basically by himself and now that he has some printed off the people that pushed him for it are now clamoring for d20 with D&D classes and D&D mechanics.
It's not the d20 system, they were originally planning on tweaking the Silhouette system to work with d20s instead of d6s, which is completely asinine. They eventually settled on doing d10s after considering to do d8s (which Sil WAS originally going to use back in the day when d6s were FAR more accessible) because it gave them a wider but still more controlled range of numbers to work with and is one of the more widely available die types.

>>47240937
Uh...rifle plates have always been rifle-proof [up to and including .30-06 armor piercing] and nothing made from aramid weave [like helmets] has ever been rifle-proof, even if it will often stop rounds at several hundred meters.

>>47231824
my god, you seem like no fun at all.

>but height is a disadvantage

Only if you're trying to hide instead of get the first shot.

>but muh RPG knee shots and light armor.

Active defenses FTW.

>but ground pressure!

Ok, that one is a game ender.

Does anyone actually give a fuck about the realism of giant robots? I'm pretty sure only stupid autistic chucklefucks give a shit about that one way or the other.

Giant robots are cool, and chicks dig them. That's all you need. The rest is just fun technobabble for the tech characters to spit out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7PjQnw_E0U

>>47247684
oooh, neat

>>47247648
I love it when they have those huge fucking ammo cylinders that you see on Gau. They seem so industrial.

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>>47231055

>>47241698
>dat ryu
goddamn it Venus why are you all such smug sexy bastards when it comes to mecha design.

>>47247503
Yeah but while those mecha are fighting said pilots are also trying to make sure they maintain a proper vector for thrust, not get too far from a ship so they dont run out of remass and making sure they're not gonna get blasted with radiation.

That said JC combat is fun as fuck with the right group of people.

>>47247719
I only get buttmad about giant robots when they're portrayed as superior to EVERYTHING ELSE, despite other vehicles being made with the same techbase.

>>47248038
I do to an extent as well? But I like a healthy combined arms approach again why I like DP9's stuff they dont treat mecha as an end all be all and show that gears and exos are simply part of the warmachine and can easily be taken out by some machines especially fucking tanks. But, the terrain or enviroments favor the mechs and the tactics and battle doctrines in turn developed with them in mind.

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>>47231055
Brightly colored, transforming, and unreasonably powerful.

>>47248038
>I only get buttmad about giant robots when they're portrayed as superior to EVERYTHING ELSE, despite other vehicles being made with the same techbase.
This is why I really like Heavy Gear's approach. Tanks will FUCK Gears UP in a straight fight, the only chance Gears have is to use heavy anti-tank weaponry and smart tactics, just like infantry would. And air support? Attack helicopters are a Gear's worst nightmare (literally, there's an in-universe legend that some Gears' learning AI that survive a fire fight with an attack helicopter cause the Gear to quake with fear when the sensors pick up the sound of helicopter rotors).

>>47238094

Then they'll use it as the first part of their space canadarmy.

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>>47231055
Like this

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big and clunky

also, mechs with high caliber cannons and weapons that generate lots of recoil doesn't make that much sense to me. I'd expect rockets, low caliber weapons or really expensive, fancy out-of-battery soft recoil systems

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Like this of course :^)

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>>47247846
Because they have more money than sense.

>>47247503
To be fair you can mostly remove the exos and the universe still works. They are fucking fun and really nice designs but not essential to the setting.

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>>47249175
Don't you mean this anon?

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>>47248601
This thing. +1 Fire Control and 2 racks of Anti-Tank Missiles.
>The Northco-Applefish A-22 Scorpion is probably the North’s number one attack helicopter, often referred to in the South as the “Gear’s Nightmare.” Pilot folklore says that Heavy Gears that survive fights with an A-22 will start to tremble and shake when they hear recordings of the helicopter’s characteristic low-key “whup-whup-whup.” Its only drawbacks are the high cost of fuel and the time-consuming maintenance involved with such an advanced and complex aircraft.

>all this JC and HG
You know what this thread is, guys? This thread is love.

>>47247503
>Hardest sci-fi RPGs ever

Transhuman Space and AV:T would like a word with you.

With that said, it is surprisingly hard sci fi.

My favorites are transforming mecha. Varitechs and transformers and the like.

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I like the Gundam School of lighting bruiser upscalled power armour we see from Zeta onwards. Eva style mechs with highly flexible limbs are also cool.
Many fun for storytelling and looks dramatic as all hell.
As long as it's got arms and a neck separating it's head from shoulders though, I'll give it a shot. Walkers and sunken heads just don't do it for me. Mechs that are supposed to look animalistic are an exception I guess. Mileage may vary.

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>>47249557
Probably the hardest mecha sci-fi universe.

>>47249557
You missed the
>one of the
Mr. Failure at Reading Comprehension.

>>47246519
God I love JC. Saw on their store some wee little Exo moddls. I want a new JC wargame. Something aling the same scales as lightning whatever with newer rules.

>>47246796
The CEF Frames are a bit off and lacking some detail, but everything thus far looks good. Little irked the hovertanks are hollow, but whatever.

I'm excited that HGB is finally going plastic. I hope this will help bring the price down and get more people interested in it.

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>>47249476
Don't forget GK!

>>47249850
Yeah GK!

I would love to see a ruleset to use GK stuff in Flames if War. It's about the right scale, if not a little off.

Or have GK rules for Bolt Action.

I just want GK back.

>>47249797
>I want a new JC wargame. Something aling the same scales as lightning whatever with newer rules.
http://firebroadside.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-future-of-jovian-chronicles.html

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>>47249925
>Make GK Great Again

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>>47249925
There's a new GK graphic novel out
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/182126/Alfies-Tenners-vol1

For FoW, there was a Yahoo! group that was working on stuff ages ago:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/GearKrieg_FlamesofWar/info

>>47238719
For a wargame check out Mobile Suit Gundam Skirmish, uses gunpla models and Dropzone Commander 10mm scenery.

>>47249952
Oh god, I just came a bit.

>>47249797
>>47249952
>>47250281
Personally I'd rather have a new JC RPG. As a wargame the setting was awful because the writers bent over backwards to make sure that the factions could never actually have an open war with each other, and only like 4 of the factions would actually fight in one.

>>47250372
I would like both. Besides, Lightning Strike doesn't have to be all out full on war. Small skirmishes are bound to happen between fleets.

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>>47245487

Rifts itself states that the gliter boy is powered armor, the pilots legs slide into the legs and controls them, as does the pilots arms. Rifts actually gives and example of such a small scale Mecha in the NGR book and in that book implicitly states its more of a "robot vehicle" or Mecha as the pilot "Sits" in it and controls it.

Also the source picture's a bit off, here's one from the Rifts core.