/HHG/

What do your Praetors look like, /tg/? Need ideas for converting my own special snowflake.

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Vulkan conversion when?

>>47183556
Regular Thread guy here. New modem should be here any time today or tomorrow. In the meantime I'm making a little something for the 1K Sons and SWs release.

>>47183725
when will that be?

>>47183872
Maybe mid-summer, or most likely November or January.

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>>47183953
>mid-summer
>or January

Well, that narrows it down.

>>47184051
I can't see in the future, m8. It'll come when it comes.

>>47184142
Why don't we ask Konrad Kurze or Sanguinius?

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when did Typhon get all the Death Guard infected? Was that on the way to Terra? Or later like in the Scouring or something? Also can you ally Legions with human levies, because I have about 80 zombicide minis lying around.

>>47183580
What legion are you running m8? Terminator armour or normal power armour?

>>47184302
It was during the fun roadtrip to Terra.

>>47183580
The thing is that Praetors is a generic term for the one of the highest rank in a Legion.

Every legion have his own title, and we know most of the Praetors in every legion by name. There are a few vacancies for our snowflakes, but speaking of knowing how they look like you can just see how the others look like in the artworks.

What's your Legion?

>>47184302
Those are great minis. But the stuff you're asking is the most basic, anon. Yes you can ally levy to Legions, they got changed on the way to Terra, afterward they marched their ships to the Eye (because Morty sees everything as space)

>>47183580
>>47184340
They're not the ones with THE highest rank - those are the first captains/Equerries (some of whom aren't even the first captain, like Kharn). A Praetor is a Chapter Master, akin to a Force Commander (as in, leader of a Grand Batallion, Expeditionary Fleet, Grand Company, Nth Chapter, etc.)

Given how the legions were ALREADY divided into Chapters (which were then SEPARATED by the Codex), there were multiple Praetors in the Legions. Plenty of room for your snowflake astartes.

>>47184340
Alpha Legion. I'm mostly just looking for pics of converted Legion HQs to spark the ol' inspiration.

>>47184398
Dammit, the Your Dudes legion. Will it be early crusade of full traitor hydra?

>>47184390
The Praetors are the Chapter Masters, the First Captains, the Lord Commanders, etc.

Emperor's Children, for example, have 11 Lord Commanders (including the First Captain) of which we know 10 of them.
Emperor's Children has 11 Praetors.

Praetors are just the guys that take orders from the Primarch and Primarch only, in whatever form and title they really have.

>>47184426
Age of Darkness strike-operations splinter. Commanded by a "workhorse" consul in that he's not power-hungry like Skorr or basically Alpharius like Dynat, just really, really good at applying Legion combat philosophies and practices.

>>47183580
They're also catch-all for any beat-stick that hasn't or wont be given rules.

That could mean its Little Horus, Falkus Kibre, Qin Xa, an Ultramarine Tetrarch, etc etc.

>>47184483
And the Death Guard only had 7, since they only ever had 7 companies, those were bigger than the other legion companies thought.

>>47183556
How hard is it to paint Alpha Legion? That metallic green-blue seems like it would be hard to do

>>47184483
>>47184672
Wait what? Those are way fewer than what I thought. So, on average, a Praetor commands about 10k+ marines.
Still, the EC, who were 110 000 marines, are mentioned to have thirty Chapters. As such, I'd say the Legion List Praetors COULD represent any one of those 30 guys (Chapter Master stats), whom lead almost 3700 marines each...unless those are led by Captains, which wouldn't be too much of a stretch, given the 1000 marines restriction is a post-Codex thing (Then again, they could lead 4 Captains each).

The Badab War was a clusterfuck, and there were, what, 7k marines on each side? Meaning a Praetor could easily pull an entire Badab on his own.

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>>47184987
I went with a non-metallic scheme for this exact purpose. It's not amazing, but it's distinct enough from the Night Lords (with the pending addition of some bronze), and it's a fuck of a lot easier to do. Plus, saves me from the apparently mandatory investment in an airbrush, since I'm a total poorfag.

>>47184987
not that hard.

1 light steel basecoat

2 50/50 blue green wash. do this probably 2 or 3 times.

alot of people do blue wash, then green, the blue etc but that will leave it uneven.

>>47184302
Half the Death Guard that were with Typhon changed much earlier than the Death Guard that were with Mortarion. The two were operating in different fleets during the Heresy.

So Iron Warriors went traitor because they couldn't take criticism for their use of dumb tactics, then continued to use said tactics out of spite and got salty because they got shat on because they were intentionally shit?

>>47185024
>>47185012
Thank you. That does make it easier.

I'm still unsure how I want to run my army (I guess this is the best legion for that). What non AL unit makes best use of Coils of the Hydra?

>>47185043
what dumb tactics?

>>47185043
No, we've covered this multiple times. They turned because Horus exploited his paranoia. Pert was pushed to bomb Olympia which might have forced the Emperor to pull a II/XI on him. Horus offered him a way out

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>>47185043
You can not-take criticism yet still remain loyal, you know? There's no reason to go trator, except maybe Angron's.
>Muh seek of truth
That's not a reason either. Neither for treachery nor for fucking over the setting into what is 40k using the chaos marine codex.

>>47185053
This question gets asked a lot, and there's no one answer to it, as much as we'd like there to be. The mutability of the XX means it can be adapted to fight however you want it and for whatever situation is required, and the same applies to a unique unit for Coils. If you're going gunline, Fulmentarii or Tyrants are great. Close supports, infiltrating Pyroclasts can be great, as could Kakophoni. Likewise, slapping Counter-Attack on Grave Wardens makes for a surprisingly solid unit.

Generally, it's accepted that Raven Guard units work well with "established" AL tactics, with Dark Furies giving you a beastly decapitation unit, and Mor Deythan working great with the rest of the Legion. But, as I said, it's really all down to what you want to use and what purpose you NEED them to fulfill.

>>47185043
The Word Bearers pushed their buttons until the big red button next to the bigger and redder button that said "Decimate Legion" in Pert's mind was pushed and Olympia was ruined.

>>47185102
>except maybe Angron's
"Hey maybe these things in my head might be giving me a bunch of complexes and mental stability issues, which, were I lacking them, might lead me to make restitution for how I've acted and give me another perspective lol nah k watch this Chimera drive lol bye af"

>>47185043
No they went traitor because they continually got shitty orders and jobs often being given no recognition or accolades for their sacrifices or work. Then when Horus became Warmaster and was corrupted he doubled down on the policy, but attached a little addendum on the orders claiming they came from the Emperor and that he appreciated Pert.

>inb4 wah wah I don't like my job and nobody thanks me for it
You underestimate the level of shitty the orders were. There were rebellious Hive Worlds that the IW were responsible for garrisoning with a whole two marines. There were times when the IW spent months besieging places and once a breach was made another legion got to make the assault and then got all the credit while the IWs got to go to another planet and do the same thing.

Also there was Dorn, fuck Dorn.

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>>47185150
As in, the Emperor no stepping down from orbit and helping him and his gladiator friends with 10 000 Custodes and 100 000 War Hounds. That's the only acceptable reason for betrayal.

>>47185132
And let us not forget that AL are the best way to run Gal Vorbak.

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>>47185238
This.
I remember it being a whole 10 marines, but it got to be as shitty as anon describes it, including sanctioned glory stealing. And unsanctioned name erasing. Srsly, what a bunch of dicks. It's like they wanted me to go traitor (well, Horus did plan it tho).

>>47185250
But for some reason you can't

>>47185238
Let us just realize that we never got word on how successful those garrisons were with just two marines. It could really say something about the Warriors if they turned out better than expected.

>>47185324
It doesn't say. It doesn't say the citizens ever dared to rebel again with the IW around either, either. Maybe they pulled a Pavlov's House.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Delgas_II

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>>47185270
You're right, my bad. Not sure where I got the 2 marines from.

>>47185304
Why not? No "Legiones Astartes" rule?

>>47185498
Yeah, don't they have to have a LA rule?

>>47185588
You're allowed to take them, they just don't get an AL buffs from their Legion special rules.

>>47184051

Try playing BA. We'll be lucky to get our book before the 30th millennium rolls around. At least we've got BRRRT to keep us happy until then.

>>47185667
And the fancy smanzy sword,

>>47183603
>Black Empire mini's

Its begun

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Why is Chris Wraight so based?

>>47185848
But, anon, there is no Empire anymore. It got blown up along with all the rest of that silly old world that nobody liked anyway which is why we're licensing out multiple video games set in it.

>>47185899
>Being DA is suffering
Will we ever have a second decent book from the BL?

>>47185899
Because he took the criticism from Battle of the Fang (which was good but had some issues) and worked to improve his representations of a fairly tricky legion.

Also Pharos and Angel Exterminatus should switch places with with Vengeful Spirit and Promethean Sun respectively.

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>>47185899
>Nemesis
>Good tier

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Guys, how would you run a Durak Rask Reaping? I mean, sure, Reaping with him allows rad grenades, phosphex rapiers, troop veterans and troop HSupport squads, and boosts the army with rerolls and tank hunters, buuut:

Phosphex rapiers and Medusae are vulnerable to deep strikers and infiltrators, so they must be protected by stuff like two Deredeos. But these may be redundant and could possibly be skipped over, given how the other things can also kill marines good enough. Their true appeal is the prospect of dangerous terrain.

The DG has no use for Veteran squads given how the Deathshroud can do everything they do but better. Maybe Sniper vets, if anything. Outflanking vets spend their rule just to get somewhere...in a Rhino (Praevians do it better and killier), and Tank Hunter & Furious charge vets lack mobility, like the sweet Dreadclaw assault vehicle, unavailable because nothing may deepstrike.

Heavy support squads can't deal with stronk 30k vehicles. A full TH Lascannon squad is one of the few things worth it, but is costs shy of two LRs themselves (Proteus). Heavy support squads could be used to hold objectives...but that's already the tax Tactical's job. Augur Flakk squads could substitute Deredeos, albeit for increased cost and lessened interception range, but AP3 could be functionally fill the phos rapier's role as marine killers should they decide to show their faces. Assault squads with MTC and rad grenades could be taken as the compulsory troops to avoid role overlap, and to actually use rad grenades on offense...but Assault squads are simply too expensive.

So, what should I focus on? Anyone uses Rask on their Reaping list?

>>47183603
WE

>>47185899
Wait why is Descent of the Angels in Heresy Tier?
I really enjoyed it, though I haven't read Fallen Angels yet I'm sure it's terrible because I hear The Lion kills Nemiel
but the thing I dislike about DoA is
>I Love the Lion like a brother
Didn't Luther treat Lion as a son?

>>47183603
VULKAN

>>47186253
>I hear The Lion kills Nemiel
You heard wrong.

That happens in The Lion. Not Fallen Angels

>>47186253
Overall poorness of execution. There's (mostly) nothing wrong with the story and a synopsis makes it sounds pretty good.

But the actual book itself is just bad. It's a boring slog and at the end you just feel like you wasted 300 or so pages.

>>47185899
It's funny, my girlfriend's been reading the Horus Heresy books alongside me.

So far, Damnation of Pythos is her favorite because in her words, "It has a good creepy atmosphere and the characters are so stereotyped that you can easily remember them just by their legions."

Can't really argue with that.

>>47186370
Slap some taste into her

>>47186370
I thought the DoPythos did well to show the nature of Iron Hands post-Isstvan.

>>47186396
Compared to Meduson or Grey Talon, which were both excellent, I don't feel Damnation of Pythos even came close.

>>47186370
She must love Battle for the Abyss then.

>>47185899
I thought Fear to Tread was good tier

>>47185899
SHHHHH! If everything thinks he's good he'll suddenly turn crap!

>>47186654
I refused to give her a copy.

>>47185238
I think everyone is forgetting is that most IW liked being left behind. While they were stationed on garrison duty they have free reign to construct and fortify military bases and battlements, something they have iron boners for. Some marines got the shutter end of the stick on their garrison duties but the most part it was probably enjoyable for them and seen as a breather from the grueling work they were intended for.

>>47185238
Easy to see how shitty it was fir the IW but Dorns legion was significantly smaller than the IW who had one of the largest legions albeit spilt into squads all over the place. They were to be the workhorse where as Dorn was to be the noble Savior when they finally broke through the doors. Shitty deal yes but one they were built for. Blame the game and who made the rules, not the players

>>47186167

>8 lascannon marines with augury scanner
>2 squads of 8 missile launcher marines also with augury scanner
>put Rask in las squad, put other two within 12"
>las squad now has tank hunters, interceptor at deep strikers, and target priority
>other two squads now have interceptor at deepstrikers and target priority

Runs 1100ish points, add flakk missiles and hardened armour to your hearts content

How would you outfit your deep striking Cataphractii Terminators out of the Calth box? I'm running an Imperial Fists with Pride of the Legion and wanted an excuse to use those sexy models...so I'm thinking: 4 power fists, 1 chainfist, all with combi-bolters with one guy using a plasma blaster. would anyone recommend something else? should I give the sergeant a power sword or is that useless without grenades?

>>47187662
Sarge will have to take challenges so an AP2 weapon will serve you better
More than one chainfist will be good too in case you lose it
I'd honestly forget any of the special weapons since you want them as generalists
Throw in a couple of combi-weapons and you're done.

>>47187745
I was going to take two plastic plasma guns and put them side by side as a plasma blaster, any tips on how to custom make a combi-weapon? good point on the AP2 weapon though, I forgot about the challenges.

>"A single wolfship will be smashed to kindling and its crew devoured," said the Wolf Lord
>reading A Thousand Sons
>a single wolfship
>wolfship
Guys, I read that right?

>>47187662
>>47187745
I'd recommend the combi- part and the melee weapon being opposed and you use the combi part on the turn you come in.
A termie squad with lightning claws might take combi-plasma for other termies that would prove unkillable with AP3, for example.

>>47187770
One Night Lords anon made some nice side by side combi-plasmas using a plasma pistol and a boltgun. You could do something like this or go with a top and bottom design. There are plenty of tutorials on the internet, I've got no experience building any so unfortunately can't help you.

>>47187813
I always give my terminators AP2 so it's never a concern, usually x2 axes, x2 chainfists and a powerfist on the sarge in case he gets lucky and blows up a praetor. Then depending on points available either full combi-plasma or x2 melta and x2 flamer.

>>47186370
I'll give it credit, it was a good book but I presented the fact that it didn't advance the story at all. There's a whole galaxy full of hopelessness and opportunity to clear the way for Terra.

My first Alpha Legion list. Lemme know what you think.

2000 points
Coils of the Hydra (assigning scout to everyone)

HQ:
Praetor
-Paragon Blade
-Power Knife
-Iron Halo
-Jump Pack

Siege Master
-Artificer Armor

ELITES:
Dark Fury Assault Squad (Praetor attaches to these guys)

Rapier Weapons Battery (x3)
-Quad Mortars

TROOPS:
Tactical Squad
-Artificer Amor
-Vexilla
-Rhino w/ Heavy Bolter

Tactical Squad
-Rhino w/ Combi-Melta

Tactical Squad
-Rhino

FAST ATTACK:
Headhunter Kill Team
-Combi-Bolter w/ Banestrike Shells x4
-Suspensor Web Heavy Bolter w/ Banestrike Shells

Headhunter Kill Team
-Combi-Bolter w/ Banestrike shells x4
-Suspensor Heavy Bolter w/ Banestrike shells

HEAVY SUPPORT:
Medusa
-Phosphex

Sicaran
-Lascannons

Anyone tried to write their own RoWs? Either Legion specific or general.

Dark Angels RoW - Dreadwing Protocol

EFFECTS
Destroyers become Compulsory Troops
Destroyer squads and Moritats can infiltrate

LIMITATIONS
Must take Farith Redloss
Must take one Moritat Consul
Must take one Destroyer squad
No librarians, legion champions or Primus Medicae Consuls allowed

EQUIPMENT
Psychoactive scrambler - causes fear, taken by ICs for 10 point
Rad Grenades - taken by characters for 5 points

Farith Redloss - 190 points (ish)
Master of the Dreadwing, Watcher of the Dark Arsenal, The Black Shroud
WS5 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I4 A3 Ld10
Artificer Armour
Refractor Field
Psychoactive scrambler
Rad Grenades
Archaeotech pistol
Calibanite war axe - S+2 AP2 unwieldy, two handed

Rampage
Fearless
Preferred enemy: Infantry
MotL - World Burner Warlord Trait

What do people think? I've tried to even out the possible cheese with a high HQ and troop taxes and restrictions to other consuls.

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>>47185899
>good tier: Legion & Nemesis
>acceptable tier: Mechanicum and The Purge

nigga what

>>47188463
Why must they take Farith Redloss? I feel like thats a good RoW but that ruins it, takes away a "your dudes" aspect of it.

>Dark Angels out-scary and out-destroyer Night Lords and Death Guards

Hi /HHG/

What would you say is the most infantry-based Legion to play?

And what would be the one with the most close combat?

Thanks!

>>47187813
I think the combi- part might be a good idea now that I think about it...take advantage of the fact that Imperial Fists have access to deep strike by having a murder-suicide with an insane amount of plasma shots the turn they come in. Would definitely help with my army's lack of AP2 right now.

>>47188632
>What would you say is the most infantry-based Legion to play?

IW, DG and IF can do infantry heavy lists fairly well, maybe even NL considering their bonuses are about outnumbering the opponent.

>>47188616
>Dark Angels out-biker and out-tank spam White Scars and Iron Hands
Because that could never happen, right?
>>47188632
World Eaters on both counts. IF and IW vying for the first and EC for the latter.

>>47186194
ARE

>>47188463
By and large not that bad, but those scramblers are ridiculous. You need to remember that fear is very valuable in 30K. Maybe make them a blind test whenever an enemy charges?

I agree about making Redloss an optional take.

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>>47188660
What are the odds a new Dark Angels RoW lets you out-daemon Word Bearers?

>tfw when I have no 30k Dangles reaction images, only 40k

How much anti-tank is enough anti-tank?

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>>47188739
>He thinks he has enough anti-tank

>>47188739
3 squadrons of 3 laser vindicators is a good start, I'd consider 3 lightnings with 6 krakens after that

>>47188616
He's the in universe master of the Dreadwing, much like how Belial or Sammael are the masters of the Deathwing and Ravenwing respectively. Although now that you mention it the restriction is odd, I'll re-write.

>Dark Angels out-scary and out-destroyer Night Lords and Death Guards
That's sort of what I as going for since the existing RoWs are pretty much copies of other legion specialities but with DA Legions Astartes rules. That being said every other legion is a better copy of the DAs and their protocols.

>>47188680
Fear only seems really good because of the lack of ATSKNF in 30k, you're forgetting that a few legions have high levels of immunity to it and every legion has ways of negating it for the troops that will be affected. Arguably blind is much more powerful since it has the same effects and affects many more armies, also aren't you statistically more likely to fail a blind test than a leadership test?

>>47187776
I still think the cringiest part about Space Wolves is how they constantly refer to the Emperor as the Allfather.

>>47188908
Oh yeah I knew he was the master of the Dreadwing, I just felt like it was too heavy a restriction for listbuilding. Not that the profile you came up with for him was bad, it was actually really good, but I just felt like it would turn a lot of people away from the rite.

>>47189018
I think that's the least offensive thing about them.

>>47188773
Never said I had it. And I'm not sure it can ever be enough.
>All smug in his fort
>Suddenly, full Conversion Beamer Myrmidon Destroyer squad
>>47188777
Weren't lightnings an endangered species because they're flimsy flyers on the AA-Dread milenium? The Laser Vindicators look nice, thanks.

>>47189044
Lightnings are the definition of a glass cannon.

Take ground tracking auguries and hope you can pop AA dreads before they can stop you.

>>47189026
Ah right okay. I'm glad you like the profile, it was tempting to go full snowflake on him and load him up with all the at initiative AP2 and 3++'s you could shake a stick at.

I think I've managed to strike quite a nice balance between good but not OP gear and some special rules that designate him for a solid anti-infantry roll evened out with a fair price tag. He's pretty much useless against anything with an AV value and will fold like a bitch to anything with powerfists.

>>47186253
I rather enjoyed DoA too, read through it faster than most other books, really liked the look at the pre Imperium Caliban, the wannabe power armor and bolt revolvers were also a nice touch given that I just expected a standard medieval society

disliked that they didn't go more into his training to become a librarian through, missed opportunity

>>47188227
Anyone?

>>47188908
What's the purpose of dreadwing?

>>47189517
They deploy the really nasty stuff.

>>47189517
Super sneakret DAs with access to a lot of dark age tech and unsanctioned weapons.

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>>47189576
The Dark Angels have the Destroyer RoW. Mortarion, wtf? The Dark Angels death guard better than the Death Guard, it seems.

>>47189516
The only thing I can notice is the heavy bolter on the rhino, no point as rhinos get popped too easily and HB's aren't even that great for their point cost.

>>47189621
That is just a fan made RoW to be fair, DA's get not!White Scars and not!Iron Hands for their actual RoWs.

>>47189635
I just figured I might as well take advantage of Rhinos having more options in 30k. Dropped to give a sergeant artificer armor

>>47189898
It's hard to go wrong with artificer armour really, good choice.

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>>47187961
>it didn't advance the story

Sanguinius when.

>>47190590
Everytime someone asks, they delay his model a month. Go ahead. Keep asking.

>>47190953
Jaghatai When

Gonna be building my Cataphractii Terminators tonight, I've already gotten some great advice from you guys and I've made it: Sergeant with Powerfist and Combi-Plasma, 4 Combi-Plasmas, 3 Powerfists, 1 Chainfist, Teleportation Transponder, any last words? I think the Combi-Plasmas might be better than the Plasma Blaster because it gives me a harder alpha strike when they come in...but how do I deal with Gets Hot! when I'm doing the whole squad? Do I roll to hit one at a time?

>>47190953
but I need muh bishie angel...

Finding out the difficulty in painting Mk IV pauldron trim...reconsidering armor master race

>>47190953

Given the past record of Primarch reveals, we should see Russ at least completed this weekend at the Warhammer Open Event.

>>47191032
Roll for each term separately. So if rapid firing roll as sets of 2 and resolve armor saves if needed for each.

>>47185667
>Try playing BA.

With legion rules, special wargear, etc.? Don't mind if I do. What do SW have? One relic (yay!)

>>47191860
Non-Isstvan legions are irrelevant.

>>47189517
That shit over there?

Just fuck it up forever.

>>47188227
I think you are wasting a lot of points on a siege master to give your medusa a marginal upgrade,

With the Headhunters, you are also running into unit tax. Those things are expensive enough as is.


What I'd probably do, more or less.
HQ: Skorr, possibly CC Forgelord.
Elites, Dark fury, apothecary, veterans (same role as headhunters) possibly with rhino.
Troops: 1-3 20 man tactical and/or breacher squads. 0-2 tacticals in rhino.
FA: -
HS: 1-2 medusa, 1-2 sicarian

>>47191860
What anon meant is that by next year youll have literally everything. FW is backlogging book III stuff to make sure that Inferno drops with full model support. So overnight youll go from having nothing but upgrade kits and a relic to all your special units, LA rules, Primarch, etc.

>>47187400
8 for nurgle?

>>47189517
What other wings were there in 30k? Mins death and raven? And did the deathwing field completely in termy armor?

Doing a 1750 army for an event, Hammer of Olympia. Kind of stuck though, not sure how to make it click together properly. 1750 feels kind of constrained with the hefty troops tax and 4 heavy choices with the units I have available. Any ideas?

3 tac squads are compulsory for the RoW. I quite like them though, either with Havocs or HBs on the Rhinos. Bodies are never a bad thing, and I need to be able to rush up the field if necessary. Quad Mortars are flexible and fluffy for IW. Vindicators are hit or miss but with machine spirit they're not too bad, I have them because they're fluffy. I'm running pieplates because I've had absolute shit luck with the laser destroyers. Deredeo is a back-up for dealing with any flyers that might show - I know there's going to be at least one Fire Raptor, possibly more, and some drop pods.

I don't quite know what to do with the HQ. If I drop a Quad Mortar, I can stick him in a squad of Tyrants for missile spam antics. I could also stick him in a Legion Support Squad with plasma loaded in another Rhino. I considered Iron Havocs but they don't benefit from the Siegebreaker very much. Leaning towards the Tyrants, but they're an expensive unit and I love spamming garbage over deathstars.

I'm missing artillery pieces to do Ironfire. The biggest issue is what to DO with the token HQ, it's more of a tax than anything else.

HQ:
Siegebreaker

Elites:
Rapier, Quad Mortar
Rapier, Quad Mortar
Rapier, Quad Mortar
Rapier, Quad Mortar

Troops:
Tactical Squad
- Sgt with meltabombs
- Rhino with HB and shrapnel

Tactical Squad
- Sgt with meltabombs
- Rhino with HB and shrapnel

Tactical Squad
- Sgt with meltabombs
- Rhino with HB and shrapnel

Heavy:
Deredeo
- Missile Launcher
- HBs with shrapnel

Vindicator
- Machine Spirit

Vindicator
- Machine Spirit

Hey 30k General, I found my way into a fairly sizeable Genestealer Cult from DW:OK and I was hoping you could help me select some fluffy Provenances to represent them for a 30k M&C list. It'll make heavy use of Levies and Militia Squads.

My main issue is that many of the options (or rather, their bonuses) could be justified for a Genestealer Cult army.

I am trying to decide from:

Gene-crafted
Feral Warriors
Abhuman Helots
Cult Horde
Tainted Flesh (which cannot be taken with Gene-crafted)

I'm leaning towards Tainted Flesh or Cult Horde (maybe both) but nothing is set in stone at this point and I can be persuaded. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance.

Where does it say Iron Havocs are BS5?

>>47193480
Tainted Flesh for sure, the other can Feral Warriors or Abhuman Helots to further represent their mutations.

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>>47193599
New updated legion book

>>47183556
My friends and I were just discussing how rare Gloriana-Class battleships were in the Imperium. I was under the impression that they were particularly powerful ships that were somewhat rare and were reserved for use as flagships of Navy fleets and of course for legion fleets.

One of my friends though had some evidence from book IV that talks about them phasing out some of the older pattern of macro ships which made them sound like more common line ships. Does anyone have any sources that can confirm how rare or common Gloriana were? So far all I can find is the typical cop out "legions could field AT LEAST one."

>>47193239
It's hard to make a decent list at such low point limit, let alone a tematic one using a Rite of War. Not only you're not using Olympia's defining characteristig (4 Heavy Choices), but you can't even use it without a Master of the Legion, like a Praetor, or in this case a Warsmith (this is the cheaper option, but Praetor + SB is better).
I'd drop all the quad mortars and buy an Iron Havoc squad, who are able to do the same but better, and get AA as an added bonus (MSU is cost-prohibitive anyway, and with 30k's stronk vehicles you kinda need a bit of overkill here and there).
Ignore Hail of Fire, it's a situational bonus.
>Vindicators with Machine Spirits
Fire on the move and can never be stunlocked. Nice one.
>What to do with the HQ
(Jet)Bikers? Shrapnel bolts aren't such a big deal anyway.

>>47194139
Each legion only had one Gloriana-class, serving as primarchs' flagships. The only more powerful ships I can think of are the Emperor's own, Belerophon, and of course the Phalanx.

>>47194210
Alphas had two, the Alpha and the Beta. And the Emperor had Imperator Somnium too.

The question is more about the general Imperium as well, thought my friend did think that some of the more powerful legions like the Dark Angels could field more than one specimen (that ship in the Xana incursion is unclassified and seemed pretty powerful).

>>47194210
The Emperor's is called Bucephalus, like Alexander the Great's horse

>>47194210
I thought the Phalanx was something else entirely, more like a a fortress with engines strapped to it than a ship.

>>47194210

I'm pretty sure the Phalanx is a star-fort.

>From Lexicanum
>"Phalanx is the mobile fortress-monastery of the Imperial Fists."

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>>47194210

Turns out Glorianas were very rare, but there were definitely more then just 18 of them.

Vyr Chem felt the crunch of black sand beneath his boots. Each step punctuated by the sound of the heavy rebreather recycling oxygen for him. The mechanicum modified mask was certainly the only thing keeping him alive as radioactive ash fell from the sky like slow rain. Barely breathable air whipped at the cloak around his sealed body-suit. The sounds were his constant companions in the bleak landscape that had become the last few weeks of his life. He should be dead, he wondered again if he was. If the any of the underworlds described in the forbidden religions of Old Night existed, then this must be it. Before the world turned upside down, the greatest works of human spacecraft falling from the sky and the Emperor’s greatest warriors turned to savage hunters Istvaan V had been a normal enough world and Chem had been an average line officer. Among the multitudes of the Lord of Humanity’s armies, just an average man, not a genhanced Astartes. He shouldn’t be breathing now and he shouldn’t have been breathing after a glancing hit from an Astartes Bolt weapon smashed him to the ground of the Urgal depression. He owed Brin his life twice over, the Magos of the Ordo Reductor had somehow managed to spirit them both away in the maelstrom of betrayal that had engulfed the canyon. The cataclysm had only been a few weeks ago yet still it felt like a past life, distant in light of the constant flight they took ahead of the baying inhuman traitors.

>>47195555
Chem’s thoughts were broken by the sight of his goal. A few dunes ahead he spotted the iconic silhouette of an imperial superheavy tank. The fellblade lay sundered and broken but somehow not yet scavenged. He activated his Volkite rifle and advanced bent over, watchful for anything out of the ordinary. He had managed to snatch the esoteric weapon during their escape. He had grabbed it from the grown next to the body of an Astartes in emerald green armor and the weapon sported decals of molten flame. There hadn’t been time for guilt at the thought of pilfering from one of the Emperor’s loyal sons. The weapon was just as responsible for their continued survival as the rebreather. Whenever he pulled the trigger and sent searing white beams at the traitors that hounded them it was almost as if the weapon itself spat curses at their pursuers, “Frak! Frak! Frak!” The notion smacked of idolry but he was beyond caring. The Imperial Truth meant little here and the fire of his indignant rage kept him going. In the service of the Emperor little else mattered.

>>47195573
Vyr reached the broken vehicle before long. A massive rift had been seared into the side of the mighty war machine, practically severing it in two. He climbed through the melta-scar hoping to find anything Brin could put to good use. The inscrutable half-machine-half-man had tried to impress upon him what he should specifically look here but such esotery was beyond his grasp. He managed to scavenge some MREs from the crew compartment and some fuel canisters that looked like they might fit something they had in their meagre stockpile. Vyr reached one of the flank Heavy Bolter turrets which were surprisingly intact when he heard something in the distance. An ululating “whurr-whurr-whurr-whurr” was coming over the dunes. The tell-tale sound of Space Marine repulsorlift technology. A Jetbike squadron was approaching

>>47188679
ALIVE

>>47184295
he ded

>>47193982
The BS5 buff is a nice cherry on the top.

>>47186272
LIVES

I was planning a 2500p Iron Hands list, what do you guys think?

HQ

Preator: cataphractii armour, 2x master crafted lightning claws, Cyber-familiar (3+ inv)

Command squad: 5 guys in cataphractii, 2x lightning claw pairs, power fist on standard bearer, 2x chainfist.

ELITES

2x Apothecaries

2x Techmarines

TROOPS

2x tacs with Land Raider Proteus with Ceramite and multi-melta

Legion support squad: 8 models with plasma guns in Land Raider Proteus with ceramite and multi-melta

HEAVY SUPPORT

Spartan assault tank with ceramite and flare shield
So, this is roughly the list, I belive there are some points left to spread out on dozer blades, and maybe a Centurion.

The plan is offcourse to give the command squad and the plasma squad an apothecary and a techmarine each, and pretty much roll wherever I want with raiders while taking out the enemy heavy AT.

I came to the conclusion that my units will always be worse in close combat than those of my enemys since I neither have a primarch or a crazy legion unit (looking at you red butcherers). So my Spartan will roll against big marine squads, heavy weapon squads etc while raiders pop the enemy death star ride with the plasma squad swooping in to finish them.

And offcourse, I will take the head of the Gorgon rite of war, giving all vehicles the chance of restoring hull points on 6s, being stubborn in my deployment, and giving all tanks outflank.


So, what do you guys think?

>>47194290
And Father Brown's bicycle.

>>47196731
>>47196731
You have next to nothing in your list, it's difficult to give feedback on a list lacking so many things. Nothing for anti-air, next to no anti-heavy armour ability. I'd suggest starting again from fresh, remember you need to be able to counter flyers, AV15, Tactical blobs and a medusas battery

>>47196731
Techmarines can't be added to squads.

>>47197034
>>47197131

10 twin-linked lasers can deal with alot, and the unit in the spartans can kill any blob. I played a 2500p turney last weekend, and the lists I faced didnt have much more stuff than this list.

I realised techmarines cant be attached, but I have enough points to uppgrade them to consul techmarines, so no worries.

Also, AV 14 will make half of the enemys armys shooting useless, allowing me to simply pick of their heavy AT units. I was also thinking of taking Orth for the spartan, giving it tank hunter.

Could you guys post some 2500p lists you have made so I could get an idea of what I could end up meeting?

also, thx for feedback!

>>47197239

Also, if I face a gunline with lots of Medusas and tank hunters, I can always outflank

>>47185470
Don't know why they are complaining 10 Marines can still FotL!

>>47185899
Saying that Abnett's shit knock off of the infinitely superior Michael Crinton's work is anything other than garbage Invalidates your whole list.

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>>47197254
Each marine would have to deal with about 13 million people.
So, I hope they have an extra CCW :^)
Not impossible - it's like playing Space Marine's Exterminatus alone: you can win with a knife and a lot of patience. Turns out Mortarion was right

Is a unit of battle automata scoring if you add an independant character to it? The wording states a unit comprised of battle automata can never be scoring, so would a unit comprised not completely of battle automata be?

>>47193238
Dread wing
Ironwing
Firewing
Deathwing
Ravenwing
Storm wing
6 wings, 6 pointed star esoteric symbols, etc.

This would be supported by paragons of metal stating that they are never scoring, regardless of circumstance

>>47197239
I understand it's pretty much a hard counter to a list like this but what would be your plan to handle the ravenwing or the jetbikes row?

>>47194290
Renamed in Wolf of Ash and Fire.
Also I'm sure the Emperor thought it wise to not tempt fate by further comparing himself to the ancient conqueror whose empire promptly dissolved when he died.

>>47197289
See? Don't know why the Iron pansies were always moping about.

>>47194290
You mean, like the Emperor's old horse =^)

>>47197437
Emperor wouldn't have been some punk bitch who turns around because "army morale" or "scary mountains at the edge of the known world".
He would have taken it all.

>>47197343
Boooo. Dammit BL, stop retconning everything!
Alternatively, that was one of many ships worthy of carrying Him, like Mortarion using both The Fourth Horseman and The Shadow of the Reaper to walk from Space towards hive cities.
>>47197437
I thought of it, but wasn't He busy at the time being Budda? Alex was stated to have learnt much from his father Philip, so he had more in common to the warlords Big E had to defeat than with Emps himself.
>>47197450
He stood up to Alexander's army at the edge of India. Alexander's army didn't stoop up to Him.

>>47194188
Ah, I must have misread it as the Siege Breaker unlocking the RoW, not that either a Warsmith or SB were required as part of the army to use it. Delegatus+SB is an option though, but it doesn't solve my problem with where to stick the HQs.

I can fill out the heavy slots easily enough in theory, the given list is just shy of 1500 pts so there's some wiggle room, I just have a few gaps in my collection still. I've considered picking up another Vindicator, or converting a Predator to have a HCB. I need a Scorpius for Ironfire, but that won't happen for some time yet.

Tyrants are a better unit for the HQs to hang with. If I had a fortification of some kind and a different set of HQs the Iron Havocs would be better. Likewise with actual artillery vehicles a Warsmith would serve more purpose than just being filler. I've tried a Warsmith and two Laser Destroyers, which is ok in theory but for some reason LACAL claims the range is 36" instead of 48" which absolutely fucks their ability to do much of anything... but its stats seem to be all over the place depending on what book I'm looking at. LACAL stats may be for the rapier version as opposed to the *array*, but I couldn't see the *array* listed.

Bikers are an interesting option, but I just dont have the models to do it right now.

I'm also not guaranteed to face many 30k armies. It's not a very serious event, and is fairly open. I do want to represent 30k, though.

>>47197343
It's another ship, FW still names it as Bucephalus in HH3, in one of the stories regarding Alpharius' finding.

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So was the leader of the Psybrids that the Ultramarines fought probably a Keeper of Secrets? I mean, I'm fine with shit just being bizarre aliens, I mean that's like the whole point of the Great Crusade, but it just seems rather implied to be one.

"It was a towering, multi-limbed gestalt-thing, thrice the Primarch's own height, whose long, almost equine head screamed out shockwaves of ceramite-breaking force as its inner sanctum was invaded."

"The Psybrid-King reared up above them, its clawed arms bearing strange weapons like the image of some forgotten devil-god of Old Night"

>>47197621
Seems so from the description, is that from book 5?

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>>47197621
Never thought about that.
in Rogue Trader Ultramarines legion number was III and Emperor's Children was XIII.

>>47197524
LACAL's stats are outdated, superceded by everything from book 4 onwards. Book 6 has an updated rapier entry, which I think supplants the Old one (and makes shatter Shells more expensive). As for the units to use, a SB goes well with Tyrants, but that still leaves the Delegatus...who isn't such a bad option: you could bring troop veterans using his RoW. Dunno, lots of options, hard to make a compromise between models, fluff and points cost. HCB Predator sounds allright.

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>>47197687
Yeah Book 5, it was from their defining conflict thing.

>>47197699
>that spoiler

>>47197705
Book six just has an entry for quad mortars instead of rapiers, it hasn't gotten rid of the rapiers rules.

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>>47197723
That is true.

>>47197770
>World Eaters
>black and green

>>47197770
>moody blue
Ha!

>>47197832
It could work.

>>47197770
WE banner has instantly made me kinda like the insignia as opposed to hating it
I think I'm going traitor, save me....

>>47197770
What exactly is supposed to make me shit bricks? The WE scheme? The fact that several legions are left out? Death GuardS?

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>>47197770
>>47198338
> Winning over the Loyalists
> With the cunning use of flags

>>47198338
If you do you'll be lost to the dark. Your gear will rot, you'll be dependent on the Warp. Do you want to be some mutated goyium paying your Chaotic overlords in souls while only getting dinosaurs in return?

>>47197725
It does make them more expensive tho. Take that into account.

>>47197770
>Emperors Children
>Purple
>Purple
>Purple

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So what are people hoping for when it comes to Thousand Sons rules
Heres hoping for something a bit more sophisticated than '10 points for brotherhood of psykers, ROW upgrades everything by 1 level

>>47198381
In heels aswell!

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>>47198497
They paint their armour with the preserved jizz of Prince

>>47198506
Power Khopesh, AP2 & specialist weapon.

>>47198536
Sure, lets give them a weapon they arent known for using and further push the AP creep with more AP2 weaponry.

>>47198536
Just give em a hequa staff, S+2 AP 3 two handed forceweapons

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>>47198550
>Sure, lets give them a weapon they arent known for using
Pls.

>>47198536
>>47198550
>>47198687
A kopesh is simply a sword, no need for special profiles

>>47198536

Except the majority of Ksons eligable are psykers and would be better served with something that would serve their modus operandi, which is killing people with mind bullets and guns

>>47198536
>Legion with no focus on melee or single combat
>Give them one of the best legion melee weapons in the game
They lose to Scars because of versatility and I think that is it. Beat the hell out of Phoenix Spears at least.

>>47198380
UM are the III legion and Dark Angels, Salamanders, and World Eaters all have the same colour scheme.

>>47185899
I really liked Angel Exterminatus. A lot of good moments with Proturbo

>>47198488
No it doesn't, quad launcher battery is 60pts per model, and a rapier is 40pts per model and then another 20pts for quad launchers, making it 60pts as well.

>>47197705
I mean the upgrade for the Vindicators, not the Rapiers. The "Laser Destroyer Array" has entries all over the place. I was intending to have the Warsmith keep them going but the short range makes them kind of shit.

>>47199990
I'd say the stats in HH4 and HH5, both of them published after LACAL, are the new Laser Destroyer Array stats: 48" S9 AP1 Ordnance.
>>47199928
What I'm not sure is whether you can still buy the Thudd gun option for Rapiers (so, 60pts) OR you're forces to buy the Rapier Quad launcher entry and THEN buy Shatter ammo (70pts). I'm not condoning it, but if they don't forcé people to use the new entry then no-one ever would use it, except for phosphex shells.

>>47200320
>new Laser Destroyer Array stats: 48" S9 AP1 Ordnance

Would that make it a good upgrade for quad lascannons? 2D6, pick highest for AP and AP1 seems nice.

>>47195555
>>47195573
>>47195596
Any criticism? Hopefully constructive? I'm looking to improve

>>47200452
The only thing I can think is a space marine volkite gun would probably be too huge for a regular human to carry, and marines probably wouldn't have MREs as power armour turns poo into tasty yum yums

>>47200496

Except by logic not even marines would be able to sustain themselves on that stuff considering that a marine digestive system would already have taken out the nutrients

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>>47200496
I thought he was a Veletaris until he mentioned the volkite weapon was scavenged from a marine (Bolters are AP5, so a Veletaris' carapace would survive it). And superheavies are manned by both marines and mortal serfs, all of whom need nutrients. Little nutrition can be obtained from astartes poop after all.

>>47200496
About the Volkite charger, I think you're right. I'm doing a second draft of the full story and I might change it to a serpenta he's using as a rifle.

I figured any superheavy tank would have human crew. Space Marines can't fit in every nook and cranny. Also weren't there regular army ones or did Space Marines have exclusive rights to that variant?

>>47200451
As long as you aim it at something it can penetrate, sure. Nigh useless against Flare Shielded AV14, and diminishing returns against vehicles with invuln saves, like Contemptors and Leviathans.
>>47200735
Nooo, make him a Veletaris. Or will he be a regular militiaman?

>>47200735
But aren't all of the legion exclusive superheavies like the glaive, and fellblade crewed exclusively by marines anyway?

>>47199928
Shatter shells were free before, now you have to buy them for each launcher.

>>47200845
>>47200735
Like, aren't you seeing this >>47200706?

>>47200760
If you were to go by the red book rules wise he would be a veteran auxiliary. He's just a line officer with carapace armor, coat, heavy rebreather, las pistol, and scavenged volkite charger/serpenta

>>47200760
>Nigh useless against Flare Shielded AV14

Only from the front.

>>47200706
GOAT serf crew right there.

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>>47199911
I liked it too, gave Pert and the IW some much needed character.

>>47201232
goat?

>>47201270
Greatest of all time.

>>47183556
The image quality looks really poor? Is it a screen cap or something?

>>47198597
No way your space Egyptian staff is as good as my God Fearing Terranic Great sword. Make it a force staff that can save a warp charge die a turn for either casting (that character only) or dispelling (target unit only)

>>47200320
New entry replaces. Just like how the new 20 point more expensive castilax replaced old profile. FW made the thudd guns more expensive on purpose- they are fucking strong

>>47200451
Add another shot but don't twin link. Then yes.

>>47201792
Then what's the point of taking the quad lascannon?

>>47184326
Path of Heaven has Morty setting out on his quest to find Typhon, it's hilarious.

Poor Mortarion. So sad, so useless.

>>47201926
He didn't seem like a bad guy in the fourth book. He just fell in a bad crowd.

I don't get how the 40k fluff has it "wowee one space mawine can take over a whole planet!" when the books show that even primarchs can get fucked over with just some effort.

>>47202002
The modern marines have examples to follow. The stories of their brothers, cousins, and their uncles fill them with determination.

>>47201926
His principles are broken, his rebellion has backfired and given him the total opposite result than he strove for, and now he's obsessed with the first captain that gave him the middle finger and in chasing after him he'll lose the last vestiges of his dignity.

Poor Morty.

>>47202046
He was an ass who could not see the necessity in emps "tyranny" while he himself was as bad in his way of waging war

>>47201855
Twin linked

>>47202522
Is it enough when the unlinked version (also, why does the Spartan/super-heavy variant lose the TL when the Rapier and Vindicator ones get to keep it?) has a better chance of doing damage and even destroying the target?

>>47201855
Make it four shot not twin linked

>>47202002
See >>47197289.

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Reminder that Dorn is retarded

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>>47202993
kek

>>47203281
It's feels one iota better than having 9 of your squad mates beat you to death.

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>/hhg/ on life support

What happened /hhg/? a couple of weeks ago we could get through a few threads a day, and now we're barely scraping through one thread over 2 days.

FW need to smash out book 7 so we can return to our usual state of memeing soon

>>47204248
>Being weak
>Disappointing the Lord of Iron
I need an Iron Warrior Costanza for this

>>47204317
I'm not sure how you're going to strongly thrust your girth into Perturabo's good books as a stiffy, but hey.

>>47188706
whats the source/origin of this meme? i want to make a Pale Nomads version

>>47199911

Problem is the Angel Extermiantus Peturabo has next to no similarities to the FW/Tallarn/Crimson Fist Decimating Peturabo.

>>47204300
I prefer slower threads with substance over meaningless spam

>>47204317

Hey, not every Legion can be the Luna Wolves/Ultramarines/Dark Angels.

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>>47204442
>>47188706
mmmm I found it.

>>47202993
>>47203281
I haven't seen these memes in a while.
>>47204300
>memeing
I like a meme or two but we don't need to meme all the time.
>>47204317
Your iron was weak. Only with loyalty can the iron be strong.

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>>47205756
>old memes
got you covered

>>47205861
>Where are all the chainaxes?

I took them all, because they were free

>>47205861
I never wanted them to show up.

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>>47205861
>someone posts my edit
>feelsgoodman

>>47206178

All I can see now is a World Eater using a Chainaxe on mould.

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>>47206178
>even killed the mold in the basement

>>47205861
>Iron Warrior Players

More like all players.

E-except me, of course!

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>>47204300
>‘Salute your primarch, /HHG/. Salute he who posted memes on the hot thread and made the shitposters pay for their arrogance. Salute your blood-sire and the general of the 61th Board. >Salute the one whose anons were named the Eaters of Memes. Salute him, anons!’
>And the /HHG/ answered him. Hands and voices lifted in salute and axe-heads were crashed against the floor. Gathering around the warrior towering silently at their centre, they shouted and saluted again, and again, and this fag found the strength and voice to stagger to join the circle and add his shouts to theirs. ‘Primarch,’ said Anon. His voice was a murmur, but it cut the /HHG/’ voices straight to silence. ‘I am a general again.’
>‘Primarch!’ shouted one in response, ‘General! Your warriors were the eaters of memes, lord, but with you to command us the /HHG/ will be the Eaters of Threads!’
>For a moment Anon swayed, his eyes and fists closed. But then he looked at them. And he smiled.
>‘Thread Eaters,’ he said, slowly, tasting the sounds. ‘Thread Eaters. So you shall be, then, little brothers. You’ll learn to post good shit. We shall post memes, and be brothers.’ This time they all met his eyes. Slowly, one of Anon’s great fists came up to return their salutes.
>‘Come with me, then, Thread Eaters. Come down with me and we will speak.’ Anon turned on his heel and walked back into his chamber.
Silently, the Thread Eaters followed their primarch down into that darkness that stank of blood.

>>47204300

Even when book 7 comes out there's always a delay of a few weeks before we see anything. We have to rely on the goodwill of some crazy bastard to actually get anything more then a report on what the new rules are.

Anyone see any WE armies using the new HH6 red and white scheme?

They remind me of brown and yellow Wolverine for some reason.

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>>47206299

>>47206326
Yeah, but people will keep bumping the thread begging for scans.

>>47206808
Did some say scans? Scan anon is back? He has Tempest? Oh boy!

>>47206808

Yes, but there's no guarantee they'll ever get them.

>>47183556
Why does the Emperor get so many waifus?
>Keeler
>His "wife"
>The entire Sisterhood of Silence

>>47208806

Because women are sluts and will spread their legs for enough money or power. Guess who has literally all the human power and money in the known galaxy?

>>47208806
The Sisterhoods are his daughters you degenerate swine!

>>47208976

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVcfZEE7U2s#t=0m19s

>>47209098
Well that made my day.

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>>47188463
All comments and criticisms are extremely welcome. (fucking character limit)
THE VAULTS OPEN
As the fleets of the Warmaster breach the sanctity of the Solar System, Rogal Dorn unseals the Thunder Armories of Terra, unleashing some of the most powerful energy weapons ever forged by Man. Meanwhile, Fabricator-General Kelbor-Hal, under the tutelage of the Chaplain Erebus, cracks open the ancient Tech-Vaults deep in the depths of the Martian Forges and begins daemonically replicating powerful weaponry for the Warmaster.
GENERAL EFFECTS:
All plasma and volkite weapon upgrades for ALL units have their prices reduced (tbd).
Tactical Support Squads lose the Support Squad rule and can be used as compulsory scoring infantry.
LOYALISTS ONLY:
Any Tactical Support Squad fully outfit with Plasma Guns may exchange them for Solaris-Patter Plasma Rifles for an additional +10 points per model. These advanced Plasma weapons do not suffer from the Gets Hot! Special rule, but exude a rad field causing -1 T for all models in the squad and any infantry unit within 5” of the unit.
Any Tactical Support Squad fully outfit with Volkite Calivers may exchange them for Volkite Sakers for an additional +5 points per model. STATS: S6 AP4 Heavy 3, 35” range. However, these weapons suffer from the Gets Hot! Special rule.
TRAITORS ONLY:
Legion Tactical Squads can exchange ALL bolters for Volkite Vipers at the cost of +10 points per model. In addition, any unit with access to volkite chargers (special characters NOT INCLUDED) may take them at +10 points per model. These mass-produced daemon weapons are Volkite Chargers at Assault 3 and an additional 10” range. These weapons suffer from the Degenerated! Special rule, which functions just like Gets Hot! except no save of any kind my be made.
LIMITATIONS (ALL PARTIES)
No Model using this Rite of War (except for special characters) may be equipped with Terminator Armor and no unit may take a dedicated transport.
No Fast Attack choices

>>47201926
I like that he and Horus are bros thought.

>>47202344
All the primarchs were asses at times.

>>47210762
Not Dorn.

He was never not an ass.

>>47211271

The Emperor chose him to be his guard, so the Emperor saw something in Dorn he did not see in any of the other Primarchs.

>>47211342

Supreme assholeness?

>>47211351

The Emperor is the ultimate asshole, so maybe.

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>>47211351
>>47211360
You know what they say, assholes attract assholes...

I will never forgive Dorn for punching picture related thought.

>>47212360

Sanguinius would have done the exact same thing in the same situation. As would any Loyalist Primarch. For Dorn, the most stoic and withdrawn of all primarchs to react like that shows what the very idea of Horus going traitor meant at the time.

Just be glad it wasn't the Lion. He'd have killed Garro with his punch.

>>47212619
>Dorn
>the most withdrawn of all primarchs

laughingKhan.jpg

>>47212650

The Kahn was perfectly willing to show emotion. Joy at a good opponent to kill. Anger if his sons were suffering unnecessarily at the hands of the enemy. Dorn wouldn't be caught dead showing that he was happy, sad, angry or anything other than stoic.

Compare that to Peturabo, who tried desperately to kill his emotions and let himself be run solely on logic. Yet another of the many similarities he and Dorn share, they both try to mask or get rid of their emotions.

>>47212683
Khan was probably one of the most emotional primarchs, he and his legion wrote poetry and made sculptures and shit but didn't fall to slaanesh like a certain bunch of giant purple faggots.

He just didn't really give a fuck about the other primarchs or the Imperium in general really, he just wanted to kill aliens and expand humanities borders. He was ok with others thinking his legion were barbarians like the space yiffs because her knew they weren't.

>>47213910

and unlike the yiffs Khan and co had a brain

>>47198506
Either Brotherhood of Psykers or multi-wound Psyker Sergeants; basically, I want to avoid stupidly expensive single-wound sergeants that can be easily sniped out to remove the legion's gimmick.

>>47209098
Dammit, I'm going to have Child Bride stuck in my head all day now.

>>47211351
It's called zeal.

>>47211360
>not Eberus

>>47198536
>Power Khopesh
>S:User AP3 Curving Strike
>Curving Strike: Models armed with boarding shields or storm shields gain no benefit when attacked with this weapon. Walkers are hit on their side armour.

Because a khopesh is basically a shotel, right?

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>>47214404
> You see those warriors from Prospero?

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>>47214304
The Emperor and his warriors totally defend their world view with religious furver and zeal
TOTALLY DISCRIMINATED TOTALLY IGNORED AND TOTALLY DENIED
> totally

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>>47214737
I sooo wish this was the modern dress etiquette.

>>47214404
sounds ok, but would make them somewhat situational
maybe give it some kind of pseudo reaping blow, where they get an extra attack if there's one other model in base contact with the guy

>>47214694
Kek.

>>47214737
I have a lot of sympathy for non daemon-cock gobbling Word Bearers.
Lorgar and his guys just wanted a fix point to believe in, why could it not just be thr emperors vision/imperial truth instead of emps being a god?

Their liberated worlds were great and everyone in 40k is doing what they were scolded for...

>>47183580
Mine probably looks better than yours

>>47214694
I used to be an Astartes. Then I took a bolt round to the knee...

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>>47214860
Kek

>>47214737
Lorgar could have thought maybe fighting for a better future for humanity was the proper way to worship the Emperor, but he went full Lorgar and built cathedrals.
>>47214763
Dumb frogposter you're on to something.

>>47214404
>Because a khopesh is basically a shotel, right?
No, not at all. It is, in fact, like the opposite of a Shotel. So far opposite that holding one backwards is a good approximation of the other.

While I'm an XX boi at heart, I've been curious about the Salamanders, as they were what got me into 40K to begin with all those years ago. Any Sally players in the house? How have your games been?

>>47217332
Not a sally player but rereading legion entries about them right now.

They seem pretty cool,except being green

What do Orks think about that anyway?

Green,punchy, burny beakies seem rather orky.

Also they are black too, which mesns they are ded 'ard.

>>47217332

pretty Decent IMHO, but slow...

>>47217602
Slow roasting/cooking is the superior way to prepare a lot of foods.

>>47217697
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fybn5yBtWkQ

> ALIEN BEANS

>>47217697
Ps: Suposedly the DG are the dark mirror of the Sallies as are the WB of the UM.

Do we have more pairings like that?

HH 1 and 2 mentioned those.

Obviously IW and IF but there ought to be more.

>>47217745
Raven Guard and Alpha Legion spring to mind.

>>47217726
Alien beans and the end were the best part.

>>47217779
Are they?

Please elaborate.

Who would be the counter part to thengreatest Legion of all though?

Wo can stand up to the glory and achievements of the Warmasters own?

Dreadclaws worth it for getting assault units close? Trying to get a Turn 2 assault with my Word Bearers Gal Vorbak Deathstar. Worried that Av12 will go down to quick, and I'll lose my unit.

>>47217809
>Please elaborate.
both focus on non-conventional tactics and stealth with the RG taking the 'hearts and minds' approach the AL are more Russian special forces or CIA in their approach of sow as much fear and confusion as possible

>Who would be the counter part to thengreatest Legion of all though?
>Wo can stand up to the glory and achievements of the Warmasters own?
Dark Angels

>>47217868
>deathstar
>5 models

>>47217868
If you want T2 assault there's not much better.

T1 pod in, flat out into position, jink for a 4+ out in the open, unload.

>>47217809
Both are super sneaky, but Dark Angels I think fits better because they're secretive.

I'd peg SoH/Ultras as mirrors more than WB, I think. WE and SW both savages. The obvious Fists/IW pairing. Night Lords and Blood Angels maybe? Liked their jump packs.

>>47217917
>secretive
They all are, for mildly different reasons.

>>47217868
Good for T2 assaults, not so good for deathstars. It's more of a suicide bomber/DISTRACTION CARNIFEX unit.

>>47217881
Oh, never thought of the hearts and minds against fucking shit up and negative avenues the AL uses.

Good point!

Mostly thought they just share sneakiness,but one builds up while the other tears down.

DA have that stoic knight vibe and seem more defensive, wheras SoH are hyper agressive bullies.

But that seems a bit empty compared to the"hearts and minds" example.

Maybe leadership and charisma play a part.

Possibly SoH play the tough guy vibe up wheras Dark Angels ARE just tough guy which leads to the Sons obviously getting more glory for the same stuff.

Loyalty is its own reward and sucj.

>>47217917
Nah, I liked what we had going and whatFW wrote about UM and WB being similar.

But I agree on the Eaters and Woofs.

>>47217996
If you use the Gal Vorbak rite they pin everyone in 12" the turn they arrive, right?

Seems suddendly more viable.

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>>47218001
DAs are similar to SoH in that both legions heavily chase victory, both legions come from shitty worlds (death/chaos tainted world vs feral/hive world), both have a close combat theme with the DAs relying fine blade work and the SoH operating on feral brutality.

It's like the old trope of knights and barbarians being all 'maybe we aren't so different after all', except that The Lion is super autism and wouldn't be able to handle Horus' bantz

>>47218060
I like that, the gang/barbarian vs knight trope.

Iron Hands next.

Whose opposite are they?

I think BA and EC are also one pairing, both are artsy and are way to much into close combat, their primarch and themselves/the emperors vision.

>>47218126
>Iron Hands next.
Eh, I wouldn't say any, not every legion had an opposite/mirror. If you try to assign every legion one then you'll just end up shoehorning things after all the obvious ones are cleared up.

Many legions had similarities or opposite qualities that can be noted but not enough to the extent to actually group them together in any way.

>>47218060
The Lion can understand bantz, he just doesn't care for it.
>>47218126
They're the Warriors's opposite.

>>47218204
I agree, Hands are hard.
Similar to Night Lords and Khaaaan's guys.
>>47218208

Why not the Fists?

IH might fit as they do shitty jobs without complaining and bitching about/decemating others for being weak and not their own guys.

Well, not THAT often their own guys.

>>47218243
The Iron Warriors are the evil Imperial Fists(who should noted without saying) and the evil Iron Hands at the same time. Both are big on mechanized warfare, both are experts when it comes to technology, and cybernetics. The differences being where the Hands will replace their flesh with bionics because the hate flesh, the IWs will do it because their bones twist as they get older. Another difference is while they both hate weakness the Hands aren't as fatalistic and paranoid as the Iron Warriors.

>>47218280
....their bones twist?

Where is that from?

>>47218295
I think I got their 40k rip mutated limbs off shtick mixed up. Checking back in Book 3 it seems the only quirks they have in the geneseed is low rejection rates, and paranoid and suspicion comes with it.

>>47218280
By all of this logic the IW dark mirror is Death Guard, even if the DG/Sally mirror is better.

>>47218397

IH, sorry.

>>47218397
They're three legions mixed into one.
>IW dark mirror is Death Guard
Wouldn't that be the other way around? The Guard seemed a lot more cheerful than the Iron Warriors.

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>>47218439

>>47218465
Where Mortarion will sneak up on you Perturabo won't. You'll know when he's behind you.

>>47218490
Perturabo will tap you on the shoulder, let you know he is disappointed in you and tell you he will be back tomorrow the same time before withdrawing.

>>47218490
You'll smell him from planet away though.

>>47218510
That's not as bad as I thought it would be.
>>47218515
Maybe the Death Guard are used to it, or he goes downwind when he feels like being polite.

Hey /hhg/, please sternly tell me to paint my EC

>>47218366
Thanks.

>>47218693
Do it, for the Emperor!

Or you will lose acess to your saccharine rations!

>>47218693
I won't play into your fetishes, Fulgrim.
>>47218060
Every legion is a mix of two legions on the other side.
RG are NL and AL
UM are AL and WB
EC are WS and BL
IW are IF and IH
And so on.

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>>47218490
>>47218515
>>47218668
Dat Mortar 'Un boss is ded tricksy. Brutally kunnin', he's all slippery and sneaky like. Kunningly brutal, 'e does this while stinking worse than a dead grot.

Sneakin' while stinkin. Everybody else is like "we'z got to make sure they can't smell us when we're sneakin' about". Beakies do this, orkses do this, eldar pansies do this, but Mortar 'Un is all like "You'z all stupid, I's putting on stinky armour, I'z gonna stomp through the jungle all sneaky like and scythe you stealthy cos da Deff Lord's like that. And if you looks at me funny, poison comes outta me face."

>>47218693
Paint your goddamn models or get a foot up the ass!

>>47218830
Early bread

>>47218763
Thanks man, love it.