/elf/

Go die of rectal cancer, OP.

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>>47167636
Stopping doing more meta-threads about elves would probably help a lot. I'm also pretty sure that the girl in your image is not an elf.

>OP says something retarded
>debates against himself

/tg/ doesn't hate elves. It's literally like three idiots who pushed that meme until it died.

Stop trying to resurrect the dead.

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The versatility of elves is the problem. Elves being able to do almost anything better than almost any other race makes them the go-to race for pretentious munchkins who feel the need to flaunt how much better they are than everyone else.

I honestly feel like if Elves couldn't do anything and everything better than everyone (the super long life span piled on top of that doesn't help either), they wouldn't be hated more than other fantasy race.

That being said, they'd still get SOME hate because of all the retard FYH faggots.

>>47167636
Arrogant shit elves think they are so much better than everyone else.

>>47167710
And you don't have to have those elves if you don't want to.

>>47167690
Alright, we got Tolkien, Warham Elves and Eldar. What are some other elves that are superior to all the lesser races in fluff and game mechanics that I can play?

>>47167690
they rape better than anyone else that's for sure

>>47167636
Maybe if they had Jew Elves, they would be better liked.

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>>47167636

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>>47167824
Not the guy you're asking, but Elder Scrolls is a pretty big one. You have the elves that are better at magic than anyone else (Altmer), the elves that are better at stealth and archery than anyone else (the Bosmer), and the elves who are just the plain best at everything if you can put up with their edginess (Dunmer).

If you wana get really technical, you also have Furry-elves (Khajiit, by way of evolution) and smash-things-melee-elves (Orismer). Also the "super technology in a fantasy setting" elves (Dwemer), although they're extinct supposedly.

Oh, and lets not forget the special snowflake god-tier elves (Ayleids) who pretty much created modern society as the setting knows it.

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Where are the humble elves? The elves that recognize that at least something in them is flawed, and will actually admit it?

Where are the elves who are good salt of the earth folk who don't hold themselves to something higher or more mystical that all the other races can't possibly understand which makes them so much better by default?

Where are the elves that don't try to entrance me with impossible beauty or impossible knowledge, but possible love and possible comfort? Where is the elf that I would actually want to be a father or mother to a son or daughter?

Where's the fucking elf that's not some bullshit?

>>47167961
Here, have your (You). That's why you posted it, right?

>>47167979
>a video games
We are on /tg/, but let me bite.
>Altmer
Best at magic, shit at everything else.
>Bosmer
Best at archery, great thieves. That's it.
>Dunmer
Dunmer are awesome, fuck you.

That's still not what I asked for.

>>47167824
Any setting with Fey beings.

>>47167636
> Why would you do that? Or better said, how is it even possible for all elves? Elves are the most versatile of all races, in the sense that they're so varied that they can appeal to everyone.
It is precisely because of that.
Elves lost their niche.

Look at dwarves for an example. Dwarves have a very definite niche that they occupy - "bearded, greedy, love booze, blacksmithing and mining".

Elves, on the other hand, can be pretty much whatever you want them to be. That's exactly why elves are shit - they don't have a definite niche, or even a reasonably broad one - they can be anything you want them to be.

It's like saying "I like ice cream", and when you ask what do they mean by "ice cream", they reply to you "oh, I mean gelato, I don't really like other kinds of ice cream".

>>47167929
Tolkien Elves and Dwarves were both fairly Jewish in different ways.

In all honestly in D&D they are as well due to being a group that tends to produce a LOT of art that doesn't blend in with their surrounding culture completely. For example, Dwarves living in a human empire will take on more of the human culture than the Elves will.

>>47168067
There are ESG threads every weekend, so it's apparently /tg/-related.

Also, the point stands, no matter what kind of character you wana play, a race of elves is going to be the best at it.

>>47167710
So do dwarves.

>>47168134
>There are ESG threads every weekend, so it's apparently /tg/-related.
So let's hunt down the OPs and murder them.

>Also, the point stands, no matter what kind of character you wana play, a race of elves is going to be the best at it.
I like to play big, hulking, unsophisticated brutes. Checkmate.

>>47167999
Tolkien Elves. They have as much hubris and humility as the humans show. They're described as more graceful by others. Furthermore, Beren and Luthien is pretty much a full cast of Elves who think humans are awesome plus one dick who doesn't.

Elves in Tolkien are actually fascinated by men, they just mistrust some of the full retard decisions humans and Dwarves make and don't want to be dragged into other people's shit.

>>47168164
>I like to play big, hulking, unsophisticated brutes. Checkmate.

Orismer, king me.

>>47168164
>I like to play big, hulking, unsophisticated brutes. Checkmate.
Orsimer, and Wood Elves can be barbarians fittingly even if it isn't the usual racial hat.

>>47167636
Tolkien Elves were probably the most fleshed out and complex race in the setting, so when some hack is making his standard fantasy setting they're the ones who lose the most in translation. Comparatively, dwarves are pretty shallow even in Tolkien and it's very hard to fuck up humans or orcs

The other Tolkien race that suffers from this are hobbits/halflings

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>>47168200
You blab on about technicalities as much as you want, but we all know that Orismer are not elves.

I prefer catgirls

>>47168211
Yeah, but it's also kinda bad for setting if one race gets like a thousand times more work put into it than any of the others. They end up looking like an authors-pet and are really easy to interpret as Mary Sues.

This was actually a common complaint against the Asari in Mass Effect. Completely different setting, but same problem.

>>47168214
But they actually are.
The root word "mer" actually means "elf".

Plus Tolkien Orcs/Goblins are also Elves. Just mutated and twisted. We don't know how the independants who didn't join Sauron live, so they may be more Elfy still.

Plus Shadowrun Elves are quite capable of being hulking brutes, and technically all metas in Shadowrun are just mutated humans.

I wish elves in more fantasy looked more different than just people with long ears.

>>47168303
Don't get me wrong, Men are fleshed out almost as much, but it's very hard to depict humans badly while being human yourself. So you can make whatever you want with them and it'll work.

Hobbits were close contenders to the author's pet title, since they and the Shire were supposed to represent the british countryside and even mimic fairy tale characters

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I don't hate elves. In a way, I see them as one step up from humans, who are a step up from animals. As humans see animals as short lived, fast breeding, uncivilized beasts who have some use to them so too do elves see humans as such. Of course if you fuck with a beast, you get mauled. Humans generally know not to kick a wolf or break a bee hive without consequences. Thus elves usually don't go looking for trouble from humans or similar humanoids.

On some level one would expect elves to do as we humans have in the real world and just take over the world as the top species on the planet. But in most settings elves are far from the top of the food chain, with various monsters, dragons, eldritch horrors, and gods lurking throughout to keep one race from having a monopoly. But maybe I put to much thought into the whole "roleplay" aspect and trying to apply logic to magical fantasy settings. Better that than seeing an elf as a collection of stats for building a character.

Then again, my very first 5e game consisted almost entirely of elf PCs with the exception of Captain Neverdies D Snowflake the Aasimar Paladin

>>47168338
I've got a setting like that. Admittedly, that's because the primary offshoots of elves are both descended from an ancient population that got hit by a magical nuke that shattered and submerged their continent - the high elves survived by sustaining themselves in basically Atlantis, while the dark elves survived by going even deeper and digging into the caves beneath the earth.

So high elves have lived in a magic sea bubble and on the shattered cliffs of their homeland and are wiry, tanned sea-folk that sometimes have gills, and the dark elves are creepy, spindly morlocks with pale skin and reflective eyes.

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>>47168338
Warhammer. Fantasy or 40k, although the humans of Fantasy are far less creeped out by the Elves than 40k humans are of Eldar.

Long, pointy faces and sometimes pure black eyes.

Keep in mind, this here is one of the good guys, who swoops in and saves your family by killing ten Orcs because, unbeknownst to you, your house foundation sucks magic out of the workd so Daemons are weaker.

>>47168396
Mmmmmm. I can dig fish elves and spider elves.

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>>47168445
I have always kind of liked the idea of Eldar moving like just fast enough in the human eye to look like a video tape on fast forward, and the inherent unease that would create.

>>47167636
>Make thread about elves.
>Post girl that isn't an elf.

Also, I like how Elves in Shadowrun are handled.

>>47168461
>>47168461
To be fair, the primary inspirations are animu as fuck and I make no apologies for that, so the 'fish elves' are basically the merfolk from Soul Nomad and the World Eaters.

In fact, a lot of the setting is drawn from influences like Soul Nomad, Mega Man Legends, the Xenoblade games, and Grandia II. The aesthetic is very 'JRPG magitech', with ancient technology left behind by a more advanced race after its use devastated the world and magical castes enforced by nanomachines. For example, oracles in this world are granted their abilities but also their tendency towards erratic behavior because they have an unconscious connection to the AIs that used to run all this shit - the AIs aren't really coherent enough to be understood by mortals, since they're operating on a global scale, and so their impulses are transmitted to those capable of receiving them in the form of ambiguous visions. There's at least one nation that was nearly destroyed before they unearthed a factory producing functioning automatons. The mages who discovered it and activated it became the de-facto rulers of the nation and have turned it into a paradise where robotic soldiers protect the people and perform most labor (and some have even begun producing art and culture), at the cost of extremely severe measures designed to prevent any knowledge of the origin of the machines from leaking to their enemies, which becomes increasingly politicized as the original circle of mages has devolved into cliques of masters and apprentices with their own approaches to unraveling the mysteries of the ancients. It's a very comfortable, almost utopic terrifying police state run by technowizards.

I like the Space Elf variety. Planning on running a Spelljammer-esque campaign. Not sure what place Wood Elves would have in such a campaign though.

>>47167636
>Elves are the most versatile of all races
They're the most everything of all races. Which is why people hate them.

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>>47167636
What can change the nature of an elf?

>>47168918
Evil divine beings.

Like in Tolkien lore, D&D, Warhammer Fantasy, TES.

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>>47168918
Oaths

>>47167636
>Elves
There are more types of Elves than there are colours, shades of colors, materials & even atoms. You can take a shit & call it an Elf.

>>47167636
Don't forget sea elves, sky elves, fire elves, wild elves, sun elves, moon elves, star elves, silver elves, golden elves, painted elves, night elves, blood elves...

Seriously, It's nice that there's some fantasy race besides humans that aren't all pidgeonholed to one culture and one personality, but doe they need to have a separate subrace for every possible variation? It's not like humans have separate "desert human, arctic human, jungle human" subraces.

>>47169321
What the fuck did you just fucking say about muh Silmarils, you filthy Moriquendë? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class of all the House of Finwë, been involved in numerous secret raids on the fortress of Angband, and have over 300 confirmed kinslays on those boatfucking Teleri cowards. I am trained in gorilla warfare and am the top bowman of all the Calaquendi. You are nothing to me but just another spawn of Morgoth. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen since the War of Teleri Aggression, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Palantir? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across Middle-earth and your address is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, goblin. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can slay you in over seven hundred different ways, and that's just with my beautiful hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to all the hosts of the Noldor and I will use them to their full extent to wipe your miserable hröa off the face of the continent, you stunted piece of dwarf-shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down on you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit the fury of the Eldar all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

>>47168214
They very clearly are, it's in their name. They might be literal shit elves, but they're still elves.

>>47167979
I thought every TES race is the best at stealth archery

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>>47169465
>It's not like humans have separate "desert human, arctic human, jungle human" subraces.
If you're being blunt then pic related has, from left to right:
>wood man
>jungle man
>steppe man
>praire man
There's also desert man and polar man. Unlike what progressives want you believe, the human (sub)races did evolve to adapt to different environments.

>>47169821
Yes, but humans from different places don't in most RPGs get different stats and racial abilities.

And I don't think anybody is disputing the fact that people from different places in the word have evolved to the local environment (like, people near the equator have darker skin than people in areas with less sunlight, and the people who live in the Himalayas and other high mountain ranger have higher red bloodcell count due to air being thinner up there). Just that race would affect personality or mental abilities.

>people that play haughty superior elves in D&D

little do they know that D&D elves are life-loving poets that travel the world because they want to see all its beauty, and that soldier-type elves are basically drafted into service, hence why they all have certain training proficiencies. They're halflings if halflings had any kind of organized society

>>47169465
To be fair "Wood Elves" and "Dark Elves" are what humans call them.

Elves probably call humans River Humans, Stone Humans, Dark Humans, Light Humans, and so on.

>>47169929
>Yes, but humans from different places don't in most RPGs get different stats and racial abilities.


Gameplay/lore segregation.

Underdark humans would probably get low-light vision though.

>>47169929
>humans from different places don't in most RPGs get different stats and racial abilities
>What is Elder Scrolls?

But I mean, can you imagine the absolute clusterfuck that would come from this if you did it with real races in a non-fantasy game?
>Euro man - gets bonuses to inventing things, and building empires
>African man - gets penalty against ranged weapons, and against authority figures

>>47169973

here's your reply

>>47170043
I disagree with who you're replying to and I still think you need to go back to tumblr.

>>47170034
African=+1 exhaustion checks, -1 swimming checks.

Done. Scientifically accurate too.

>>47170067

hi >>47169973

>>47170067
Go back to masturbating to dickgirls?

I'm not even joking, I genuinely think Tumblr being SJW is just a meme since that shit is so buried under porn you can only find it intentionally.

Deviant Art on the other hand is just SJW and Furries.

>>47170087
And that's why I am a namefag

I'm also a namefag and a huge faggot

>>47170104
But anyone can copy the name at will.
Only tripfags are immune, and nobody takes them seriously unless they only give us free shit.

>>47168214
May you suffer in the darkest corners of oblivion for thinking that.

>>47170099
>meme
Is that what you call every truth that you don't have the courage to confront?

>>47169058
Weirdly enough, i own an elf screwdriver.

>>47170200
Well, yes actually.

Literally every single thing on this or any other website, everything you can say or show, is a meme.

A meme is a human thought transmitted to another human. So basically yeah, everything is memes. This post, your post, all posts.

>>47170368
Not him and didn't read the thread, but
>everything you can say or show, is a meme.
>implying
Memes usually have rigid, uniform structures.
Languages are indeed memes. But the ideas and thoughts transmitted via the language meme aren't memes themselves.
What I frown upon is not the usage of meme, because without the language we couldn't reliably transmit information.
Rather, what I frown upon is the need to rely on a meme inside a meme (basically, a meme-ception) to transmit necessary information.
Memes exist to restrict the from of transmitted information of the need of universal reception and understanding by different human beings.
Needlessly restricting your thoughts by the excessive use of memes is just poor form.
Memes are there only because we need them, not because "the more memes we have, the better".
You use the minimum required amount of memes, not maximum, because the more memes you use, the less "new" information you transmit, because most of the "space" for transmitting the information is occupied by the memes.

A good analogy to the meme overusage is programming, and it's called overengineering.
You can just write "print 'hello world'", or you can use design patterns and needlessly overengineer your program. The same case is with the memes.
You use them only where you need them, and not wherever you feel like.

>>47170523
>didn't read the thread

There is never a time when you should post in a thread if that is the case.

Ever.

>>47170523
Saying "Tumblr is mostly porn" in response to an overused greentext meme is not a preexisting meme.

Someone replied to a meme with a statement, which had another meme replied ("Go back to /pol/Tumblr"), to which another statement was offered as sarcasm. Which you then called a meme without reading the thread.

>>47170562
What board did you just migrate here from?

I've been cooking up an idea for an elven culture for my game, wanna see how you guys like it.
First, on elves themselves:
>Elves in this world are entirely of the world; their souls are different from others in creation, and they don't go to any god's realm after death. They were spawned by nature, not the divines. This also means that they cannot be healed by divine magic, but can be by druidic magics.
>Without the proper rites, their souls will become haunting revenants, desirous of the joys of the flesh. Most elven cultures have developed a way to counteract this. The primary church of the nations neighboring them to the southwest condemn them for their origin, but a man not from elven lands views them as signs of bad luck: if an elven adventurer dies, they'll be the ones haunted. Elven travellers are rare because of this.
>When elves die, they appear almost to unravel, leaving only a pile of leaves and dirt as their soul slips away on the wind. A plant will soon grow on the spot of their death; this plant will be unusually hardy, long-lived, and will - if the following applies - grow exceptional amount of fruit. Its seed, however, will never amount to anything; its child plants will die as soon as they are planted.
The birth of elven youth is undocumented; all that is known is that elves emerge from thickets of the plants of dead elves as children, with enough instinct to find the nearest settlement.
Now, onto the culture.
>Primarily elven land, they inhabit a very hilly area most well known for its eclectic flora. It is purported that almost all the plants there are from elven corpses, indicating either the site of a slaughter, constant warfare or that elves have lived there for untold millennia.
>They practice ancestor worship, believing that death is not the end of their time with those around them. They treat their death-plants as shrines to those past, harvesting whatever they need from them almost religiously.
continued

>>47170706
Do they have some sort of reincarnation cycle?
I'd dig it.

>>47168116
That has its own problems. Like everyone playing a caricature of Gimli

>>47168243
Yeah. It's more transparent that they're simply the wankbait race.

>>47170989
I fail to see the problem.
Archetyping races in fiction is GOOD.
When you need a different character, you choose a different archetype i.e. race.
I don't see how that is a bad thing, because, again, it's fiction.

Also, there is no need to literally copy-paste characters.
Like, I named at least 4 aspects your dwarf can focus on - mining, booze, greed, craftsmanship. Vary the amount of focus on each aspect to vary your character.
Is he a devoted craftsman, or is he a greedy warlord?

>>47167636
What the fuck do you mean I can't build stuff out of wood? Not everything can be built from stone for fuck's sake!

>>47171103
An archetype is different from a stereotype.

>>47170706
>Due to the nature of elven souls, it is a social taboo to leave one's homeland alone, for any duration. Should a fellow countryman die, people from this deathly forest are expected to bring back their corpse and - if the deceased is an elf - their death-plant.
>Once back in the region, the plant is planted in a special ritual with the compost of their corpse as its "first meal". If the person is not an elf, they are instead ground up and buried out of ceremony.
>They follow a calendar of eleven months of eleven days. The first ten days are in preparation of the eleventh. The eleventh day is the day of communion, where they will gather at sacred clearings that form the homes of their druids.
>Here, they will undergo a sacred and joyous practice. Believed to originally have been devised to counteract the revenant nature of elven souls, the people there, with the guidance of the druid, enact an ancient ritual filled with song and dance. The sky grows dark as the sun disappears, and a dense fog covers the forests.
>After this, distant wails can be heard in the distance, slowly joining with the music as they approach. The souls of passed elves appear in the clearings with their descendants, taking an almost corporeal form thanks to the magics. Brilliant starlight illuminates the previously blank sky, and the living and the dead dance, laugh and make merry for a day and night in a trance, sustained by druidic magics and the revitalizing fruit of death-plants.
>Once the day has passed, the souls of the passed dissipate, lulled into slumber for another ten days by the ritual. The fog clears, the sun rises with the dawn and all return to their villages for a few hours of slumber until the next day. This is the life and afterlife of the elves of this land.

>>47171177
> An archetype is different from a stereotype.
They are inclusive, though.

>>47167690
You guys are forgetting outside of Tolkien, where he didn't have any sort of game in mind, people tend to make elves dickbags on top of it. It's like everyone forgets that in these discussions. If you make your elves douchey and racist then people will tend to dislike them. It creates a self perpetuating cycle of people making hateable elves. I think we need the mostly wise and benevolent types again. I don't see that in games or their settings very much anymore. The issue is such a race is really out of place for game balance if fluff and crunch are 1:1.

Thank god D&D made them shorties and gimped them mechanically. There used to be this type of faggot who thought they should simply be better because they were playing an elf as in they would throw a bitchfit if they were spotted by human woodsmen because as an elf ranger they should be better at hiding no matter what or no matter how the die rolls. Luckily that breed of player has died for the most part. At least in D&D and similar games.

>>47170706
>>47171202
Well, what do you think, /tg/?
For other elven cultures in this world I'm also thinking of one that dedicates the life to academic pursuits (in order to eliminate the material want of themselves in death) and very small, looked down upon one that enslaves the revenant ghost as a tool.
I'm also considering one that's been converted by churches devoted to the divines and has a paladin order type deal that hunts down their fellow elven dead.

>>47171325
I think you should start saging or shut the fuck up.

>>47167636
i just don't like it when someone thinks that they can have their cake & eat it too when someone wants to play a non human but still wants to look human

if you wanna play an elf that's fine but don't play one because you're too much of a pussy to play a something like a dwarf or a beast/monster race

>>47171335
bump

I love Elven pussy. Elf girls are so delicious, how can human girls even compete?

>>47171325
I like the fey-like nature. Though, but I see this a lot around here with "in my setting elves...", after reading this I don't really have an idea how it is to talk to these elves, how they speak, think, not even much about their society or how they look. A lot of these homebrewed elves only deal with their origin and such things.

>>47171509
By being nonfiction.

>>47171509
Please stop, it's embarrassing for everyone.

>>47167636
Because they're generic as fuck and barely have a niche anymore. Elves don't have anything unique or interesting about them, they're just smug pointy-eared treehuggers at this point. A fantasy race has to be truly non-human and FANTASTICALLY bizarre in some way and elves don't really do that.

Neither do dwarves, orcs, and other generic fantasy races for that matter. That's why I prefer human-only worlds, but if I must have fantasy races then I prefer an overarching "Youkai" race comprising all mundane monsters and a celestial and infernal race to go along with them.

>>47171603
>and FANTASTICALLY bizarre
No, fuck you.

>>47171603
The thing is we're so diverse in real life, we can't actually imagine ourselves as simplistically as the fantasy races we invent. However our brains work on categorization, which is why racism will never truly die, but we think of something different, we automatically stereotype, it's human nature, because we want our genes to survive, and things that look more like us have more of our genes, so we have to differentiate ourselves in ways outside of generalization, which is why to a white person from suburbia might be bad at telling Asians or blacks apart. However, since we invent even differenter races, which aren't even human, and since they aren't real it's not racist, so they can be generalized without anyone complaining (outside of SJWs and retards).

They aren't diverse because we're programmes biologically to be "racist", which really is a societal construct that isn't real, but the physical difference between humans is so strong we need to force our brains to hide it because we don't want to offend "people like us", even though our brains scream they aren't people because they don't look like us.

>>47171892
Yes, fuck you.

>>47171603
"I HATE ELVES SO MUCH, I DON'T LET ANY OTHER RACES IN MY SETTINGS. REEEEEEEEE!"

Your players must be desperate.

>>47168164
Go ahead and try and catch me N'wah, I'm hiding behind all 6 walking ways, you turbofag s'wit.

>>47171982
1. I am not a GM.

2. My dislike for lots of non-human races is not because I hate elves but because they often are all a homogenous mass with none of the diverse personalities, drives, and traits of humans. Dwarves are all drunken blacksmiths who live underground. Elves are all smug treehuggers. Orcs are all "RAAAGGH ME SMASH" with no actual interesting reasons for their endless warfare. Dragons are super-rare waifu/husbando sages. And so on.

Why play a fantasy race when I'm pigeonholed into doing one thing and playing one kind of character, when a human allows me so much more breadth? I don't like aliens in sci-fi for much the same reason, I prefer "we got out into space and found out that we really ARE alone" stories.

>>47172078
Nobody is stopping you from player a fantasy race with an actual character. You don't need to subvert anything, like a good drow, but can just use the race as a background, in which the character grew up. It's your own damn fault for not being creative enough.

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Juggle Elves best Elves.

>>47167636
>/tg/ is one person
I don't hate elves. Nor do I fetishize them like some people seem to.

They're just another species, same as dwarves or humans.

>>47168155
Dwarves do it through labor.

Secondly their arrogance is part of their inflexible nature. Dwarves get a pass because their grumpy dour and stubborn outlook actively screw them while they remain good at few things they do.

Elves are just perfect and arrogant because they are perfect. Bleh

>there are people on /tg/ right now who have never known the joys of playing a hilariously racist elf
>>47171509
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-AA8DjQzcw

>>47167636
So which category does the the Dunmer fit?

>>47172078
You realize the point of this thread is exactly the opposite of that?

>>47171603
>A fantasy race has to be truly non-human and FANTASTICALLY bizarre
Nah, I guess you're just a huge fag.

>>47168533
Been trying to find this, reverse image search, while nine yards. What is the source on it?

>>47167999
I remember that comic, but not the name. Don't suppose you have the source?

>>47173756
NEO-Queendom, not sure what volume anymore though. 10 or 12 I think?

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Thoughts on humans and elves having a peaceful co-existence or just as good friends/steadfast allies?

>Also your soldier-buddy is having a chill and friendly conversation with this elf while they crack jokes about each other's race.

>>47175548
that a imperial guardsman and an exodite eldar going Love-Can-Bloom????

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>>47175548
I'd rather impregnate elfs.
And not take responsibility.

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posting for smugfuck big tittied high elf.

Elves are literally designed for sex.

They do not exist for any other purpose.

Which is fine.

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>>47178563
Wrong!

This here is a better list of what you can do with elves.

>>47178635
All of those things are sex or tangentially related.

Not that I mind.

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>>47178635
WRONG! THE ONLY THING ELVES ARE GOOD FOR IS PURGING!

>>47169929

>implying race doesn't affect personal or mental abilities

Boy, you want to know how I know that you live in a homogenous neighborhood?

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>>47178880
You stay way from the elven allies you degenerate savage!

which one are the androgynous boy elves op?

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>>47179264

Looks like we have a race-traitor in our midst brothers.

>>47168214
Orsimer are literally elves, though. Former worshipers of Trinimac transformed to fit more his new image as Malacath.

>>47172359
>Dwarves do it through labor.
Elves do also work. What are you talking about?
>Secondly their arrogance is part of their inflexible nature.
Why as a human should I care why they are arrogant?
>Dwarves get a pass
Fucking beard hugger
>because their grumpy dour and stubborn outlook actively screw them
No it doesn't and eve if, should I care what being an asshole does to them?
>while they remain good at few things they do.
They are good in a shit ton of things. Better even than the elves.
>Elves are just perfect and arrogant because they are perfect.
Only if you are shitty in world building.

>>47170034
Come on, the Elder Scrolls has more behind the human differences than just different places. Admittedly, the Imperials and Nords are really products of their homeland, but the Bretons are basically part-elf, and the Redguards are from the last kalpa.

>>47171325
My only real problem is that you've basically prevented elves from becoming adventurers, if they're not allowed to leave their homeland and are frowned upon by religious folks of other races.

Otherwise, I like it. Simple, effective, seems elvish, but also different without going too far out there.

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>>47168445
I am pretty happy about how Vermintide represented the Wood Elf accurately to the lore, instead of just going the typical, pretty human with pointy ears look.

DoW games failed at representing the Eldar fluff accurately on the other hand.

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>>47179640
"The elves you are attempting to murder are under our protection in accordance with the human-elven alliance of the Griswall Accord. You savages are about to attack allies and officials of the Griswall Accord, either surrender or turn back or you will face the consequences!"

>degenerate "Templar" savages charge at the checkpoint
>the savages are proceeded to be gunned down like the animals they are

>>47167636
>saying you hate elves is like saying you hate humans

FTFY

>>47167636
Sorry bud, this is an orc neighborhood here

>>47179986
>DoW games failed at representing the Eldar fluff accurately on the other hand.
What should they have done differently?

>>47180472
Well, for starters, not portray the Eldar who didn't have masks on as just pretty humans, like they did in DoW 2.

>>47180505
That is a pretty flip-floppy part of the lore though. Some eldar look almost human, others have noticeably high cheekbones but little else, and then some dark eldar art has them looking positively inhuman.

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>>47180537
Nah, the lore part is pretty consistent in it's descriptions of both the DE and the CWE.
What is inconsistent, is the artwork, which ranges from one end to another.

I feel like this guy's fan art pretty much nails the description the Deldar are given in their dex.

>>47180537
>>47180537
That triggers me
Even though they are described as pretty humans for the most part

>>47167636
>Seriously, saying you hate elves is like saying you hate ice cream: there's so much variation
Except they're not, it's one of the races in fantasy that's overused as much as magic missiles.
More often than not, they're portrayed with the same properties/characteristics: mysterious, beautiful, wise, long living, asshat/manipulative or combinations of some or all of those.
They're a race for the creatively bankrupt. It's a race for those who can't think of anything but copying the exact same thing and, in the case of some, waifubait.
Seriously, purge these inhuman filth. Nothing makes my day better than elves failing their rolls and watching the rockslide.

>>47167636
I think I'd just do them as a foreign culture with a long history of advanced magic, with everything that comes with that. They really aren't inherently all that different from humans, and it's far from impossible for a human to match their lifespans with the right magic.

However, their long history of widespread magic has left them visibly distinct from humans and created a culture rather alien to most humans. Magic removes the need for a lot of the labor the human nations depend upon, resulting in a much more leisurely and carefree attitude.

It also allows them to easily manage their birthrate, since they don't need many children with their lifespans. Without the same need for expansion or resources as the other races, they don't really relate to how much the other races need them to support their livelihoods. This results in the friction about chopping down trees you sometimes get.

>>47180736
Them being essentially a variant of humans with magically assisted lifespans also contributes to the size of their ears. As anyone can tell you, a human's ears continue to grow throughout their life. Of course, this also applies to the nose.

The larger the ears and nose of an elf, the older they usually are. As such, large noses and ears are status symbols to them, which they make no effort to hide. An elf who still has roughly human-sized ears is considered still somewhat immature, even if they're otherwise full-grown.

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>>47179640
>we have a race-traitor
Wrong! More like; a person with good tastes in women and possibly in a loving relationship with an lovely elf.

>>47171243
>You guys are forgetting outside of Tolkien, where he didn't have any sort of game in mind, people tend to make elves dickbags on top of it. It's like everyone forgets that in these discussions.

This is a very new thing that actually has more to do with people hating elves and applying these traits than them having them generally.

Warhams high elves? Fucking awesome. Literally the first to the fight whenever anyone else is having trouble battling Chaos. Every single time the Empire or Kislev or whoever is having trouble with marauding asshole Chaos guys on a large scale, the elves turn up to help.

D&D elves? Depends entirely on the setting, but most just have them as Tolkienesque. Detached from the world, really do know better, mostly turn up in numbers around the mortal races only when the big evil needs fighting. It's players that apply the whole snooty elf thing.

Probably the only place where /tg/ tier mary sue elves exist is Eragon. And if you get your fantasy cues from Eragon, there's no saving you.

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>>47180117
>>47179640
>>47179264
>>47178880

>>47183871
>tfw elves succeeded in their goal - dividing humanity and making it fight itself in a civil war, while the elves keep their hands clean
OY VEY, THAT'S RIGHT, KILL THOSE GOYIM THAT DISLIKE US, WE ARE GOOD ELVES

>>47183985
Please just shut the fuck up.

>>47180462
Ahh, thats why its so smelly in here. Get your shit of the streets, orc!

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>ITT xenophilia is okay

Y'all motherfuckers need some purging.

>>47182598
>D&D Elves
I first learned of elves through the Forgotten Realms, where you had the snooty sun elves, sure, but they were snooty in the same way any noble caste is snooty, and pissed off that their ruler was a Moon Elf, when moon elves in general tend to be a lower caste.

The moon elves themselves being known for being incredibly sociable, living the closest with other races, and allegedly were the reason why there was a time period where Dwarves and Elves built a massive kingdom together. They also are a bit like the high elves from Warhams, where they would be the first to show up for an alliance, despite the fact that the Sun Elves were very much against such quick action.

You had wood elves who didn't give much a shit about anything outside of their forests and their shamanistic rituals, and you had the sea elves who were doing who knows what the fuck.

Hell, even the old school FR Drow aren't near as psychotic as the later books would have them described. Though the Drow changes from edition to edition I find weird in general.
Where the hell did the merchant houses go post-AD&D?

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>>47184052
>ITT xenophobia is okay

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>>47184052
You know you want some.

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>>47184355
>Banshee

Eugh.

Get me a Striking Scorpion cutie anyday. Patient, but still aggressive.

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>>47167636
WHY ARE YOU POSTING THE PICTURE OF THE DEMON LORD IN AN ELF THREAD

HAVE A FUCKING INFORMATIONAL PICTURE

>>47184412
HOW ARE CHAINSAWS SNEAKY

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>>47184412
It's even one of those good-looking-humans-with-pointy-ears pictures.

>>47184445
they put a silencer on em jesus read the lore

>>47167636
Way I see it is that modern mainstream fantasy throws sophisticaed and thus arrogant elves around as a generic concept that supposedly lies at the heart of all elves. It doesn't matter what "flavour" you have, it's still elves who are sophisticated in a non-disclosed way and are unreasonably arrogant about it. These basic traits make elves very hard to relate to, because it makes them very clinical and therefore ultimately without character.

Although several settings have attempted to give the elves a spin for more characterisation, those are still just setting specific and the guy carelessly glancing over them will still just see the stereotypical cardboard cutout representation of a race's concept.

Dwarves, in comparision, do not have such a clinical inclination. They have their own very strong stereotype, that is true, however it is not nearly as unrelatable to potential players as the elvish one.

The sad part is that this alien nature to humans is a defining trait of elves, but mainstream authors have been doing it wrong all the fucking time since contemporary fantasy has become a thing. It could potentially be the most interesting part about them, but it would take a vastly different approach and would have to be tweaked to become more "human".

>>47184472
How the hell do you silence a chainsaw

>>47167667
best elf

>>47184524
your asking that in a setting with space magic? Really, and how do you store souls in a stone?

>>47184524
with a silencer

>>47184116

AD&D Elves were pretty OP compared to everything else except Dwarves who were also better than everyone else at just about everything

3.5/PF Elves are pretty much hot garbage and good at jack shit compared t everyone else but especially the glorius master race Humans

5E and Elves are finally solid again.They arent far and away better than everyone but they can fill a few really good niches.Thats par for the course for everyone except the Trashborn though

>>47184590
>and how do you store souls in a stone?
It's in the name, silly.

>>47184654
Well, what does a silenced chainsword tell you about itself, hmm?

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>>47184445
You don't turn it on until you need to. Duh. If you're loud at the last second, it doesn't matter because before the enemy can react they're dead.

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>>47184116
>Where the hell did the merchant houses go post-AD&D?

Underground

>>47167636
>I SPEAK FOR ALL OF YOU.

Shut up.

>>47184745
>I can't recognize the common rhetorical tactic used on a indonesian puppet program to promote discussion and cause arguments that isn't really intended to say anything definite about the people it makes wide allegations about!

>>47184433
Where's this from? I'd love to read about a cute little girl Demon Lord.

>>47185088
Stop.

>>47184721
Dohoho.
But seriously, in AD&D it talks about the fact that Drow cities are run on two great pillars, the Matron houses and the Merchant houses.
The matron houses have authority from the church, and usually are either led by a high-ranking priest or by someone who got their power through warfare and other bullshit. They are responsible for keeping order, and maintaining the city they're based in.
Then you have the merchant houses, usually run by the mages, and often one of the best places for a guy to get a job that actually has upward mobility, that maintain trade relations with not just other underdark races but the surface world as well.

Then 3e happened, and suddenly every book conveniently forgot that city-states and nations need alliances and trade groups if they want to prosper.
Then again, 3e also introduced the concept of Lolth somehow micro-managing every Drow city and keeping them running despite the insanity that was suddenly introduced to them.

>>47169821
Go back to biology class, kid. There are more genetic dissimilarities between individuals of the same race than between individuals of different races. Since races also do not make up clades, that makes them a wholly meaningless term when discussing biology

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>>47167824
The Eragon series. It is the series that made me fucking hate elves. Although now I have exceptions from time to time. Like when it comes to anime elves because they are at least portrayed a lot differently than traditional elves. Picture related is proof, she is one of my favorite Elf.

>>47168076
On another note, do Elves even count as Fae? Traditionally the Fae are the exact opposite of what Elves are described as. The Fae curse a lot, some are ugly, some are fat, some are pretty, they have a tendency to do stupid stuff, etc. The only series I can think about where Elves are considered one of the Fae are the Artemis Fowl series. Except they aren't traditional Elves but more like fairies and act the way I describe traditional Fae behaves.

>>47185345
>Like when it comes to anime elves because they are at least portrayed a lot differently than traditional elves
No anon, with a few exceptions they are all one-dimensional fap-baits.

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>>47180117
>Implying they we aren't posing ceremonial arms and armour.

>>47170219
B-b-but that's slavery! Stop that!

>>47184691
All this reminds me: How do you take an Eldar down a peg without killing her?

I'm… curious.

>>47185345
>The Eragon series. It is the series that made me fucking hate elves.
Agree, but the main was also a typical Mary Sue...

> Although now I have exceptions from time to time. Like when it comes to anime elves because they are at least portrayed a lot differently than traditional elves. Picture related is proof, she is one of my favorite Elf.
I think you only want to b*** her

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>>47186366
>...
>b***
cut that out

>>47186366
Did you seriously censor bang? Did you seriously censor yourself on 4chan?

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>>47185395
>>47186366
Ok I will admit I want to fuck her. Anime elves are fucking cute beyond words. But they aren't like the Elves in traditional fantasy, the ones that are stuck up with a superiority complex and shit.

Anime elves are shown a wide area of emotions and are just as cute and adorable as humans.

>>47168186
>Video Games
>>>/v/

>>47185345
Dear God, the Eragon Elves. I waited so long for the dark secret/humiliating defeat/crippling weakness to show up but it never fucking happened. In Tolkien, the elves are out of power because magic is on a slow decline, and the elves have some humility because of this. In Eragon, there is no explanation as to why the hell the elves even bothered hiding in the woods in the first place, they are superior to the humans in every way except a slow birthrate, and that doesn't even seem to affect their numbers too much.

Fuck those arrogant cunts.

>>47186366
>>47186787

How the fuck is that even attractive? It looks too weird, too embarrassing. >>47182289 is an attractive elf, hell, anime elves can look good, >>47167690 is proof, but the thick, dark big boobed ones just look silly.

>>47182289

>in a loving relationship with an lovely elf.

yeah, and your relationship with her will be a fraction of her entire life. She will forget about you and move on to the next about a decade after your death.

i just want to fuck a drow lady while her drow slaves watches in envy.

>>47179130

Nature vs nurture you dingdong

>>47186969

What about older milf elves mr smartypants?

>>47186969
I don't see why that would really be a problem for anyone. Unless you want to die together in some kind of weird death embrace.

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>>47186886
K how about this picture anon? If you don't find this mildly attractive then anime girls are just isn't for you.

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>>47186969
>half-elf daughter marries a human
>over time the family becomes more or less fully human again
>long after her husband's death and feeling lonely the now widowed elf goes out and steal the virginities of her now human descendants
>she knows the entire family's shared erogenous zones and weak points
>that's how you ended up spooning, naked, in bed with your greatx10+ grandmother

>dad walks in
>gives you a knowing look and a thumbs up

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>>47187153
Uh oh

>date a beautiful, funny, and intelligent elf lady who is old enough to be your great grandmother
>when you're cuddling with her she mentions how you're so handsome like your great grandfather
>turns out they dated for a while

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>>47187194
UH OH

>end up lost in the deep woods as a shota
>found and adopted as a communal son by MILFy elves who pinch your cheeks and cuddle you
>grow up
>they're worried about your recent behavior
>why don't you want to sit in mommy's lap and drink her milk?
>won't let you leave
>it's not safe for a young boy after all
>realize they struggle to understand human lifespans and perception of time

Guys, I have an important question;

I know generally Elves probably stop caring about sex after the first few thousand years, I get that.

But suppose, just for a minute, you had like, a Galadriel-age Elf woman. Someone who has been around for like 8000 years or some shit. And you somehow hooked up.

My question is; Do ancient elves make good cougars?

>>47187294
Depends on the setting. Do the elves in the D&D settings also stop caring about sex? How about any non-Middle Earth setting? Not all elves are Middle Earth ones.

Also yes >>47187153

>>47187350
>Do the elves in the D&D settings also stop caring about sex?

I don't think it's ever explicitly said (it might be, though), but I assume it's true only because you never really see or hear about any of those truly ancient elves, the ones like Elrond who have been around for fucking ever, doing anything except politics and being magic and shit. They don't really depict Galadriel as someone who has thought about sex in millennia.

D&D? I dunno, I'm sure someone wrote a setting with eternal sex-elves, but I mean more canon stuff.

>>47169929
>Race doesn't affect personality or mental abilities.

Yes, yes, good goyim.

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>>47187294
In 40k ancient elves don't stop caring about sex

>>47187405
>I mean more canon stuff

So did I.

I think in Middle Earth it is stated they stop caring at least. Though even if they didn't I don't think Tolkien would have ever written about it. Their sex lives aren't important to the plot so we never hear about it. If they were banging people offpage why would you need to know? This is even truer in older works of fiction when people tried to not mention sex needlessly arguable it's still true today to an extent. That's something to keep in mind.

If you get to be a very very very long lived immortal a common trend in fiction is that you do become sexless or become incredibly depraved (Eldar). It probably depends on how much you cared about it early in life.

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>>47187194

>>47187580
I fucking love that so badly.

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>>47187629
I like this one

>>47184948
"Sekai Maou" - world of demon lord

It's super cute and fluffy and fun.

>>47167824
People have already mentioned Eragon elves, so I'm gonna go with Drowtale's drow.

>>47187914
Is there an drowtales P&P game? Is there an Eragon P&P game?

>>47187294
In my setting, elves only live to around 400, because any more than that would make giving the world a history incredibly fucking difficult and people who live 8000 years would be ENTIRELY fucking alien to humans.

>>47187995
I want to say some people tried the latter once.

>>47169821
>snow man
>desert man
>steppe man
>plains man

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>>47187221
>realize they struggle to understand human lifespans and perception of time
Maybe I'm crazy, but they might just notice that you started out knee-high and ended up being a head taller than them

>>47185271
>Go back to biology class, kid.
>There are more genetic dissimilarities between individuals of the same race than between individuals of different races.

How about you produce a credible source for that statement? Oh wait, you cannot. In fact, there's such genetic variation between races that a "colorblind" doctor would be fired for malpractice.

>>47188147
Why did you give him a (You)? As far as I can tell he and his blatant fetish-insertion has been successfully ignored in most threads.

>>47188195
It's a partial truth. There are more dissimilarities between SOME individuals of SOME races than there are between individuals of SOME different races. It's far from universal.

>>47188147
Maybe these are the tall variety of elves, and out of touch fae ones at that. Besides they might not be used to how humans work. Elves aren't considered adults even after growing to their full size. People still treat their cats and dogs like babies after they've grown to their full size in the 1st year. Surely, humans can't truly mature in a couple of decades. That's what? Only 20 years? No way.

>>47188237
And now you understand why "race is a social construct" has become a saying. Malinese and Ethiopians are both considered black, but there's more genetic difference between the Malinese and Ethiopians than between Ethiopians and Europeans. They're two different races in biological terms, but in common parlance they're labeled as the same race. This does NOT mean that race does not exist, which is the modern meaning assigned to that phrase.

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>>47186366
Why, the best way anon...
THROUGH HONORABLE SINGLE COMBAT

>>47188330
Yeah, "race has no basis in biology whatsoever and is solely a social construct" is just a fucking bald-faced lie.

Shit, >>47188369
meant for >>47186242

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>>47176549
monster

>>47167999
That's not an elf, then. It's just a person

>>47187221
>>47188147
To be fair, I can sort of see an elf having difficulty raising a human if they haven't been around humans for a good while. It might be hard to recognize or deal with all these coming of age milestones, aside from the start of puberty, coming on so fast and at different times than elves. I can't see it playing out like THAT though.

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>>47188403
Just kidding.

>>47187110
Nope, looks like shit. And it isn't the fact that its anime (though anime has been losing its luster imo because of pics like this) its because it just looks stupid.

>>47188790
But why does it look stupid?

>>47168338
I do that with mine. They look like exaggeratedly pretty people with pointy ears most of the time, but that's because they have an innate ability to weave illusions to look trustworthy/attractive/etc to whoever they're talking to. Pierce through that, and you see them for what they really are: weird uncanny valley doll-puppet things, befitting their origin as playthings of the fey

>>47188809
I don't have time to edit the image to explain everything, but just off the top of m head I find the proportions to be strange, the underwear to be dumb looking and kind of pointless (in what place is this ok but nudity a no-no?) the faces are just cringeworthy, the way their tits bulge out looks more strange than hot, and the way that in a lot of pictures the vulva just sort of bulges out to be kind of disturbing honestly. Not helping is the fact that the anime eyes make it look like two 12 year olds want to fuck.

>>47188866
Have you read the Lords and Ladies? You would love that book.

>>47168338
give em blue skin

blue skin makes everything better

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>>47168338
Lorwyn block has got you covered.

>>47188913
I feel on the underwear part you're nitpicking. It's cheesecake and the picture is clearly in a bedroom setting. People in real life wear naughty underwear and lingerie to bed in order to spice things up a bit.

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>>47188952
actually might as well just post some of my favorite elves from mtg, the game has some good ones

>>47188969
Eh, I get where you are coming from, but underwear fetishes have never really been my thing. Regardless, even if it was, there is something about how erotic japanese art does it that just feels dirty, and not in a good way.

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>>47189050

>>47188928
I have, and I did. Pratchett's elves and Exalted's fair folk (and ti a lot lesser extent the Eldar) were huge inspirations for my elves, as well as being some of my favorite interpretations of the race

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>>47189103

Elf bump

>>47172143
dude what

>>47184184
I'll take xenophobia over genocide every day.

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>>47167999
On my group's D&D session I'm trying to RP an Elvish character, something not too godly (albeit I got really good stats out of sheer luck, 12, 15, 13, 18, 17, 16).

She's like a philosophist of the high medieval era (think leonardo davinci), and is drawn to all areas of knowledge, but she's bad at combat and not interested in it. She's neutral good, friendly and somewhat timid.

Her goal or motive to leave her people is to learn more and to save and preserve knowledge that is in danger or that has been thought lost, so I added a bit of academic archaeologist and "That belongs in a museum!" in her.

She's close to reaching level two, and despite being a wizard, I want to keep her being mostly a walking encyclopedia with some utility spells.

Do you have any criticism or suggestions as to how to keep my character on the right path or anything you'd simply like to see her doing/becoming? Can't promise I'll use it, but I'm looking for some inspiration and guidance, although I've RP'ed for years this is my first time playing D&D, and so far I'm loving it.

>>47167636
Oh yeah, which one's are the lewd elves.

And don't say all of them. I mean the most ones.

>>47192756
Which edition?

>>47192851
2e, I believe.
http://purpleworm.org/rules/

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I wanna marry Deedlit!

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>>47193301
Deedo a shit.

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>>47193397
eyyy she's a pretty good too.

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>>47184355
>>47184412
>>47184456
Posting another soft and smooth looking space elf woman. Who looks like she's worth fraternizing, cuddling and making out with.

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>>47193459
She's the kind who touches shinies without checking for traps first.

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>>47193526
That was one time. She is very competent.

She is also cute.

CUTE!

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>>47193656

Her ears also flap!

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>>47168533

>neo-queendom

I read it every now and again to put on track to being /fit/

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>>47187538
>The Dark-oh-so-edgy-mean-tough-guy-Eldar

Why are there people so willingly want to have sex with those edgy bastards? They're edgy assholes who're murderous-pillaging-rapist-space pirates that only care about looking like drug addicted psychopaths and escaped asylum patients. And to quote an anon: "Dark Eldar are so painfully edgy, they probably even subtly or unsubtly rape prepubescent teenagers ever sixty-nine days."

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>>47192795

I'd say brown ones then.

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>>47193958
SoBs have some relatively subtle BSDM elements. Dark Eldar have all of those elements flaunted, with barely any clothes to match.

And you know some people like really strong women, either in a femdom sense or that they're gonna wreck it.

>>47194052
What are some examples of media that has brown elves? The only time I ever see the term brown elves is on 4chan.

>>47167636
Because all of them are portrayed as better than humans. If the trait you dislike is universal, then you hate all elves.

>>47168182
But that humility just makes them even better than humans. Tolkien elves are the clearest example of elves being better than humans in every single imaginable fucking way.

Elves like humans in the same way humans like monkeys. They're similar, but inferior and stupid, and endearing for it.

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I have nothing to add. I just want to post an elf pic I like.

>>47194535
No? They saw humans as people, they even had a few half elves. Remember the humility thing. If you're going to say they're better for it you don't give them our flawed views of those below us in the same post.

Tolkien's elves weren't an ordinary race in the RPG sense either. They're basically celestials in D&D speak or stand ins for the lowest level of angel. Angels are also better than people but they don't look down on people like they're monkeys. Tolkien was a catholic after all.

desu they were a bad idea as a playable race in RPGs but people in the past had no idea they would become such a staple and just wanted the novelty at the time. It gimped them mechanically for it to work, made them not very special, and too commom. Along with fluff having to poorly justify it. It also created those cancerous faggots who thought they should be better because elf but I haven't seen those types since 4e came out.

An elf should be a big deal like encountering a true vampire is a big deal. They're like, or should be, good versions of them down to being reduced to nerd wankbait.

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>>47194149
I'm curious if the Lady Killer Perk would be useful when dealing with Sisters of Battle, Eldar (and Dark Eldar), Tau women and even against Deamonettes.

>>47194791
There were a half-dozen half-elves across the eons humans and elves lived near each other.

>Celestials
No, not really. They're Incarnates, just like humans. Their soul is more powerfully connected to the world, but they were treated as closer to the other two incarnate races than they were to the Maia (the actual lowest tier of 'angel' unless you count the spirits he mentioned in early drafts as canon)

>>47193301
Was deedlit raped when she was captured?

>>47167961
Source?

>>47167636
It's funny how easy it is to replace all those with humans.

>mystical uber-wizard nation
>kinda arrogant scholar nation with less wizarding
>noble jungle savages
>niggas on the savanhas
>deeper innajungle and more asshole niggas
>japanese

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>>47194434

Wherever that came from (Dragon's Crown?) and these come from (something from Japan).

>>47194434
The japanese interpret dark elves, drow, and elves in that archetype as having more melanin.

>>47194434
Anime standard for "dark elf" is not ashen/coal skin, but rather delicious brown. It's eerrywhere.

Go to gelbooru, put in tags something like "dark_skin+elf+-original" and you'll be set, I think.

>>47167636
I like Tolkien elves.

>>47195193
You like Mary Sues?

>>47195072
Sure, but I find humans excruciatingly boring and easy to write out of a setting. Its like... wow, the most unimaginative race possible that adds nothing to a setting, solely so people can have their self inserts. Fucking kill me now.

>>47195197
He didn't say 'humans'.

>>47195197
Ah look, someone who thinks Mary Sue means "things that hurt my feelings."

>>47195201
Yeah so you just slap long ears on them and it becomes totally original.

>>47195209
>Tolkien humans
>Mary Sues
Not even remotely.

>>47195201
One thing you learn in writing: You need a frame of reference. So either you include humans, or something sufficiently close that humans can use them as a frame of reference to explore the setting.

>>47195213
>Elves are literally perfect in Tolkien
>People say they're not Mary Sues

>>47195197
The elves in tolkien are only mary sues because the retarded ones got themselves killed thousands of years ago.

That said, the movies tone it up. Hobbit especially.

>>47185345

Basically no, elves were not even fairies in their traditional folklore, they are always counted as fey because of semantics, because they live in the forest and generally because people don´t bother to do enough research to realize that fey don´t automatically equate forests and plants

I like the D&D explanation that elves just have fey origin because they were created by an arrogant fey god

>>47195229
>totally original

Er, "original" has absolutely fuck all to do with the point. The point is that absolutely any race less weird than thri kreen can be used as an analog for humans with no drawback. Humans basically take up space that can be satisfied with just about anything.

>>47195234
>You need a frame of reference.
Good thing we have "fucking everything ever" to fall back on. I mean, if it says humanoid, sure. If it looks humanoid, sure. if it can turn humanoid, sure. Debatably more than that but there you go.

>>47195234
>>Elves are literally perfect in Tolkien
>literally

Man... you just have a HARD time with words today, don't you?

If Tolkien elves are perfect, then so is, say, Saruman.

>>47195328
>The point is that absolutely any race less weird than thri kreen can be used as an analog for humans with no drawback.
That's my point: elves are easily equitable to humies.
There's no point in them unless you're purposefully invoking the cliches or making them something weirder in which its better to not call them the name of the cliche.

>>47195341
Suraman isn't an elf, anon. And yes, elves are prefect. Smarter, stronger, faster, wiser, longer lived, more in touch with nature, more in touch with the 'gods', have better technology and skill in every single thing, especially music and smithing, they are perfect. Better than humans and dwarves.

>>47195361
>That's my point: elves are easily equitable to humies.

Elves can be used for nearly anything humies can be, but the reverse is not true. Hence, I find humies just an annoying placeholder race for people who absolutely can't fucking relate to a character if it doesn't say race: human (and even then, if you must play a special snowflake race it doesn't necessitate having there be NPC ones as well).

>There's no point in them

Without getting into supernatural abilities, a race that lives centuries and doesn't sleep offers a lot of advantages in terms of worldbuilding, a lot of contrast as well. I find that they work drastically better at the role humans are used for.

>something weirder

Bog standard D&D or Tolkien elves are already almost unimaginably weird.

>>47195390
>Suraman isn't an elf, anon.

Never said he was. But he certainly qualifies as far as being better than a person.

>Better than humans and dwarves.

And this constitutes an emergency why? Do you get upset when you realize how much better than a human Sauron is? Or Eru?

>>47195414
>Emergency
Did I say emergency? I said Mary Sues. They're Mary Sues undeniably.

>Sauron, Eru
Individuals, not a race.

>>47195390
They also have no real ambition and mourn people for centuries.

>>47195427
Istari, on the other hand, is either a race or debatably a race, and maiar is definitely a race.

If you want to call someone a "Mary Sue," I would begin with Beren. Self inserts aren't Mary Sues, but they're closer.

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There is nothing intrinsically bad with elves, the problem is that most writers are shit and just write them as "humans but better" instead of doing something actually interesting, so they end up being a retarded mary sue race

Even Drow who were refreshingly flawed and had an interesting elven culture got promptly raped by hack writers into yet another perfect race, only evil now

Anyway elves are jus good for three things:
1) Going batshit insane
2) Being racist fucks
3) Rape

This is a scientific fact

>>47195487
>Istari
Are the Maia sent in the guise of wizards to Middle Earth
>Maiar
Are spirits.

Beren is a self insert, but he's also a huge failure who needs elves and a dog to help him.

>>47194819
Lady Killer would be ineffective against such beings.
>SoBs are pure and clean and will just laugh at your face and proceed to gut-punch you
>Eldar babes will laugh at your face, though you'd be lucky if one eldar woman appreciates your efforts and decides to lay with you for trying
>DEldar will just rape you
>Tau would probably give it consideration but its uncertain
>Don't bother with Daemonettes for you're just asking for nasty things to happen

Unless you're using Lady Killer for the extra bonus damage against female NPCs, don't rely on it in terms of "diplomacy."

>>47195487
>>47195518
If anything is a self-insert, it's the fucking Bombadil.

>>47195661
How? Bombadil can't do anything outside of what's basically his own yard, and the most he does is sing to a tree and pull open the roof of a barrow.

>>47195754
He's a jolly fairytaleish guy. Given that fairy tale for kids is how the whole thing started, I suspect that him is how Tolkien viewed himself.

>>47195794
I'd totally read a story about Santa and his badass elves fighting demons, honestly.

>>47195518
>Are the Maia sent in the guise of wizards to Middle Earth
No shit.
>Are spirits.
No shit.

>he's also a huge failure

Eh, nah. Seduces a demigoddess WAY above his station, bullies Morgoth, bullies Sauron, etc. Nobody really compares to him pure humanwise except maybe Ar-Pharazon who, unlike Beren, legitimately fucked up everything ever.

>>47195661
No, Tolkien identified with Beren as a matter of public record.

>>47195898
>No shit.
Then you must realize the folly in comparing them to an Incarnate. Subdivided bits of Eru as their own individual =/= Incarnate races.

>>47195919
>Then you must realize the folly in comparing them to an Incarnate.

"B-BUT I DON'T LIKE IT" is not an argument.

>Subdivided bits of Eru

First I've heard of that, and yes I've read the Silmarillion.

>=/= Incarnate races.

You not liking the comparison makes me making the comparison all the sweeter, homeslice.

If you would like a comparison of two incarnate races for whatever reason (albeit one that fanfic writers like to dispute) would be dragons vs humans.

>>47195958
>Dragons
>Incarnate
So twisted experiments by Morgoth in creating death engines that are never given an actual designation? Nah. Not a fair comparison.

Your whole argument just completely loses logic at this point, and it's disappointing because debating someone who actually read all of this is really fun. But you sit here and think humans and elves can't be compared, but that humans and fucking Maia can? And now the dragons of all things? At this point you're just running from confronting the idea that the elves are 100% better than humans, and that makes them Sues. For the thread topic, nobody likes better-than-thous, which is what Tolkien elves are.

>>47195992
>So twisted experiments by Morgoth in creating death engines that are never given an actual designation?

They breed true and increase in number, and of course do another thing Maiar are never shown to do, which is increase in power over time.

>But you sit here and think humans and elves can't be compared

Of course they can be compared? Elves are better in some ways, not in ways that lead to dominance over the planet, plus fate gobbledeguk. Certainly not advantageous enough to be called "Mary Sues," no matter what your tortured logic for blanketing a whole race that way is.

>100% better than humans

If individual power matters and not their collective fitness to exist or their numbers, and that dragons are utterly vague as to how they fit into things, then the most blatantly obvious candidate for Sueness, the human-elf-demigod clusterfucks, would be it.

I mean, the half elven are pretty much better than everybody. They're a rare and special exception -- which encourages rather than discourages the Mary Sue status, even if we are to stretch said status past the point of making any consistent sense -- and unlike elves, they either aren't going to discorporate just due to fate, or the human variety isn't going to discorporate just due to fate.

Their most obvious flaw is that there's, afaik, 3 of them... but "they don't fuck enough to have large numbers" is just as much of a problem for the elves.

In all ways, they are a more specialler and more powerfuller version of humans or elves, descended from THE most speciallest pairing in all history.

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>be human man married to beautiful elf maiden
>its been five years since you and your elf wife have meet and dated, and three years ever since you both married
>you are now a much older middle-aged man who's gotten slightly chubby over the years ever since you decided to be stay at home house-husband to take care of the half-elf child your wife has conceived after acts of love making
>while your elf wife is the bread winner of the house as she also works as a magic instructor
>after a day of playing and taking care of your child, you are able to put him to bed early and you make dinner for you and your wife
>your wife comes home and is happy to see you and the fact you kept the house clean and you made dinner
>you and your elf wife wash the dishes after finishing dinner, then your elf wife playfully suggest you and her have some good old sexy-fun-times
>you say yeah and you jokingly say you are not as good looking as you used to as you pat your plump belly
>she joyfully doesn't mind and is just glad to be with you
>you both make it to your bedroom as you bot begin the foreplay
>then you both begin to get a little more frisky as you both start fucking passionately
>after three hours of love making you both feel relieved and relax as you both fall asleep, still in each other's embrace
>life as a house husband married to lovely elf maiden with a lovely half-breed child is good.

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>you spend some time in your private lodge in a hillside
>what a nice morning, suddenly you hear violin music playing
>you check outside to see some elf bard playing her violin
>the elf says: "Oh hi there, sorry to if I was disturbing you. Just practicing my violin here, I'm a bard you know? I hope you didn't mind the music, is it OK if I practice in this spot becuase of the nice sunrise? I could practice around an audience as it'd help. And hey, if ya feeling lonely up here you can visit my town just beside the ridge and its just in walking distance."
>wat do???

>>47196095
>They breed true and increase in number, and of course do another thing Maiar are never shown to do, which is increase in power over time.
Yes, but we don't know their nature. Are they Maia trapped in warped Fea? Can their lineage be traced back to Elves? We know for a fact that Morgoth absolutely cannot create souls, so they must have been at least partially created from a previously existing souled being.

>Elves are better in some ways, not in ways that lead to dominance over the planet, plus fate gobbledeguk.
Elves only don't dominate the planet because of two reasons. One, because the Ainur called them to Alinor. Two, because of the magic fading, it's weakening them. In all measurable areas of physical, mental, and technological prowess? They are superior to humans. Eru saying he wanted an age of only humans when he made the world doesn't mean the elves are inferior, only that it took the will of god to get rid of them.

>Half-elven
Have all the superiority of elves, with a choice. Just about all of them that did anything with their lives chose their elven half at that, abandoning any claim to humanity. So where it counts, I count them as elves. That said, the half-elven being better than elves doesn't stop elves from being better than humans.

>>47196138
Indulging your human fetish yet again, huh Finrod?

>>47196141

I don't think the Maia explanation really makes sense given they increase in number with time but also power, and iirc they fared better than the Balrogs did against the Valar.

And to me, if you're going to attempt to torture the phrase Mary Sue to refer to a whole race, specialness and not falling into either category by some logic trains just furthers the argument that dragons are drastically more Mary Sue.

>doesn't stop elves from being better than humans.

There's a lot of things better than humans. Anything that uses tools, isn't short, prone to subterranean living and overconsumption of either food or drink probably falls into that category.

Also, some half elvens definitely are counts as humans, but way better.

>>47196174
>I don't think the Maia explanation really makes sense given they increase in number with time but also power, and iirc they fared better than the Balrogs did against the Valar.
The thing is, we don't HAVE an explanation. He really did something warped to make those things. They have to trace their lineage back to something souled, though. We know that. Though one last thing on the Maia aspect, we know for a fact that they can produce children, at least with an Incarnate (hello Luthien.)

>There's a lot of things better than humans. Anything that uses tools, isn't short, prone to subterranean living and overconsumption of either food or drink probably falls into that category.
Ah, but Dwarves, to their credit, have flaws. Their greed is their undoing, and unlike Elves they have absolutely no excuse for not breeding and having staying power. They had no set fate, same as individual humans. They destroyed themselves entirely under their own power.

Regardless, you never have told me anything that humans are better than elves at, which you've kinda been circling around for a while.

>Some of the half-elven count as human
The minority, and the ones that did the least of their kind. That's why I said what I did, all the half-elven that performed really important feats chose to be counted as elves.

In my campaign my DM has it where no half elves exist. If you breed with an elf, that spawn is an elf no matter what. Human and elf? Elf. Orc and elf? Elf. Gnoll and elf? A really hairy elf.

This means that elves are a plague of fuck that is a massive warmongering empire that seeks to enslave the other races to pump out more elves. Meaning everyone hates elves.

>>47196210
Well that's why I said "isn't short, prone to subterranean living and overconsumption."

>>47196222
Doesn't sound bad at all.

>>47196264
Ah, isn't. Thing is, almost everything sapient (again, unless you count those spirits Tolkien mentioned in older drafts) is a Maia of some kind (the eagles), human, elf, dwarf, or orc (corrupted elves, but different enough). Out of all of these, humans are only absolutely better than orcs, and have closer to a parity with dwarves. Elves though? All around inferior to those.

>>47196157
who's Finrod and whats with him having a human fetish?

>>47196305
He's a character from the Silmarillon. He's the first of the Eldar to come into contact with humanity. He loved playing instruments and seemed to like humans quite a bit, hanging around with them and teaching them things when he goods. One particular event he's well known for is sitting with a human woman named Andreth, and what starts as a conversation as to why his brother would not marry her, eventually becomes a vehicle for Tolkien to explore what makes elves and humans different and ways in which humans might 'make up' for being inferior to elves, largely delivered through Finrod's own opinions (which might not necessarily be Tolkiens, but they're musings) and knowledge of the two races and their eventual fates.

I think his reasoning is a load of bullshit myself, since I'm >>47196276 and obviously don't agree that there's any parity between the two races, but your post about a friendly elf and a human sitting together while the elf plays their instrument reminded me of him.

>>47196345
>goods
Could. What a weird typo.

>>47196276
Okay. So to reiterate (not complete but whatever)

1. Eru
2. Valar
3. Horrible Things (Ungoliant, Watcher in the Water) - unclear
4. Dragons
5. Maiar
6. Istari
7. Spooky Things - very unclear
8. Half Elves
9. Elves
10.Humans
11. Stunty Things

Elves are one step farther away from being rock bottom in the great scheme of life. It is almost certainly because you identify with humans that you consider something being slightly better than them to be a problem.

To me, when you're that close to being at the end of the shit heap of total suckiness, just be glad that you're not at the rock bottom of existence.

>>47196365
Everything up elves in your listing is not (definitively) an Incarnate, is the thing. That's the problem, that amongst the Incarnates Elves are all around superior to humans. And slightly? Please. Humans never made or did anything remotely as impressive as the elves.

>>47185345
As bad as the Inheritance Trilogy was, there was one good thing about the elves. In the second book it finally explained their ludicrous competence: they weren't just randomly favored by the gods or something, they used their natural talent at magic, strengthened by the racial dragon bond, to shape themselves over their arbitrarily long lives, so every single one ended up prettier, stronger, faster, etc, than a mundane being.

>>47196377
>an Incarnate, is the thing.

That's fine, but I don't see how that matters at all. Again incarnates are such a shitty, lowly form of life that being the best kind of incarnate is a bit like winning the special olympics. Sure the best of the incarnates can beat the worst of the maiar (a la special athletes beating Cartman) but certainly the difference is too irrelevant to matter in the great scheme of things. Certainly not worth such a hyperbolic insult as Mary Sue.

All incarnates have going for them is that Eru thinks they're adorable. When God made you retarded as a joke, what difference does it make?

>Humans never made or did anything remotely as impressive as the elves.

Numenor may not be as fancy as First Age elf stuff but its certainly superior to 'modern' elf stuff.

>>47185698
Haven't you been on /tg/ before? There's literally nothing wrong with slavery.

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>>47167636
Elves are made for facefucking.

>>47196426
>Sure the best of the incarnates can beat the worst of the maiar (a la special athletes beating Cartman)
You've had elves killing Balrogs, and humans, elves, and dwarves killing dragons. Considering Ancalagon the fucking Black was felled by Eärendil, I don't think you can call the Incarnates 'shitty'. They brought down a death weapon greater than the Maiar, a living mountain.

And the insistence on an Incarnate comparison is because they're the most alike. Comparing humans to gods and angels is meaningless. Comparing them to Eru's other pet is much more logical.

>It's certainly superior to 'modern' elf stuff.
Nothing of Numenors was their own. All of their power was an Eldar gift. Their silver tree is literally nothing more than an inferior cutting from the much better tree the Elves have.

>>47196468
Put it into proportion. You don't have any young elves killing a Nazgul or a dragon either. Or a Melkor's Space Ghost.

>And the insistence on an Incarnate comparison is because they're the most alike.

Okay. They are above average for the bottom of the great shit heap of creation.

Anyway I should know better than to debate someone who tries to mangle "Mary Sue" to apply to a whole race. People being this sensitive about humans is part of why I prefer to always exclude humans from fantasy settings where possible -- they're totally unnecessary, and anything better than humans will be 99% likely to result in hurt feelings like this.

>>47196521
>Put it into proportion.
What do you mean here? That part of the post was about Incarnates in general not being useless.

>They are above average.
They are all around inferior to elves.

>anything better than humans will be 99% likely to result in hurt feelings like this.
Don't make a race that's good at absolutely everything and far superior to all the other 'mundane' races of your setting. That's the problem with Tolkien's elves, not that they're better than humans in something, but that they're better in EVERYTHING. No species is good at everything. Look at humans, our physical strength is fucking abysmal.

>>47196461
>spoiler
Why did you use male elf as a reference?

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>>47196365
Even then Humans tend to vary depending on what culture and race they are from. It is usually Medieval Europe humans that fantasy goes with, which is why humans have become the so called "boring race" in fantasy, and elves are shown to be superior than humans. Because Medieval Europe wasn't that advance compared to other cultures during that period.

However if you replace the medieval europe humans with a culture that was high in civilization during the middle ages (such as the Muslims or the Chinese), then humans automatically become exotic and unique compared to the other fantasy races. Either because of their vast scientific knowledge and research they have available (the Caliphates) or their ability to manipulate their own life force, a power different than magic, (Chinese Wuxia).

Anyway despite saying all this I will still go for a Dark Elf woman as my bride.

>>47187294
Nymphomania would not be a significant evolutionary advantage in Elves.

Elves as sluts don't make any sense.

>>47198332
>Elves as sluts don't make any sense.
But this meme is an important part of this boards sophisticated culture!

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>>47197806
You're absolutely right, but only because game designers rarely delve into late medieval/early renaissance Europe. I want my humans to be not!Italians in the not!Renaissance having a not!Scientific Revolution damn it!

Make human Venetians. You can still have the elfs be perfect and condescending, just make the humans the Jew sailors of the setting.