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Warhammer Fantasy General: Kerillian Dreams Of Home Edition
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Previous thread: >>47113954
>1d4chan
1d4chan.org/wiki/The_End_Times (Compilation of all the End Times changes)
1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Warhammer_Fantasy (All pages marked WF on the /tg/ wiki)
>Warhammer Wikis
whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page (Warhammer Fantasy wiki)
warhammerfb.wikia.com/wiki/Warhammer_Wiki (Warhammer Fantasy wiki)
warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Warhammer_Online_Wiki (Warhammer Online wiki with lots of background articles too. Also AoR is not ded: /vg/ for details.)
>Resources(Armybooks, Supplements, Fluff, Crunch)
pastebin.com/8rnyAa1S
www.pastebin.com/0e6RuQux
>Endhammer
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Endhammer
>9th Age
http://www.the-ninth-age.com
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_9th_Age
>Total War: Warhammer (Now confirmed to have mod support!)
store.steampowered.com/app/364360/
>End Times: Vermintide (Drachenfels DLC confirmed!)
store.steampowered.com/app/235540/
>Mordheim: City of the Damned (New Warbands in production!)
store.steampowered.com/app/276810/
>Bloodbowl 2 (More races on the way!)
store.steampowered.com/app/236690/
>Man O' War (Still in alpha)
http://store.steampowered.com/app/344240/
>Third party Miniature manufactures
http://pastebin.com/CvGaNyrk
Google "Unsupported Age", because we can't link blogs here.
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Posting all the introductory lore since we're getting newbies coming in for Total Warhammer.
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Wud u pat a skaven
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>>47154652
yes, totally
they are fluffy and cute
don't believe dwarfish propaganda
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>>47154652
Maybe a third generation immigrant skaven who didn't grow up in an insane murderpack.
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>>47154652
Dear God, no!
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>>47154652
i wud cuddel a skave
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>>47154652
Yes, if by pat you mean Pass Axe Through
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>>47153642
I ordered a used copy of the Ambassador Chronicles of ebay. The premise sounded nice, I always liked Kislev and it seems to have been written before BL really went downhill.
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>>47154712
Reptilian master race coming through.
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>>47154652
kick it in its fat wriggly jelly belly :3
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>>47154659
What is this? Imperial engeneere madness creature?
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>>47155090
>>47155093
And why Empire history so poor? From 500 to 900 we dont know the name of emperor ever
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>>47155146
Skipping the artwork, I don't have time for that.
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>>47154612
>>Mordheim: City of the Damned (New Warbands in production!)
So what's this like? Worth playing or should I wait for more content?
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>>47155160
Okay, I am posting this artwork.
>>47155151
Its in their books I believe, this is just a summary. Just like how it doesn't cover all the High Elf or Dwarf kings.
>>47155169
Damn good, but only four Warbands. Sisters, Cult of Chaos (Be'lakor cultists), Empire mercenaries, and Skaven. Daemons wander maps at high levels and kill everyone.
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So, /whfb/ what are you currently working on?
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>>47155195
>Damn good, but only four Warbands
Cool, I'll give it a try. Anything crucial I should know (like some warbands being hardcore mode) or traps for newcomers?
I played the tabletop but I don't expect this to be a 1:1 port of it.
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>>47155214
A drawing of the host of tehenahuin repelling clan pestilens from lustria as happening on the coast near "the serpent that smokes" and "the serpent that spits" islands
Still fram from presentable but I'll post it eventually
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>>47155283
Don't trust the percentages.
The AI is predictable as fuck, they WAAGH into every fight which can be good or bad for you based on your faction and the setup.
Don't try story mode missions until you're pretty fucking badass, and remember that your special character has to survive but otherwise is going to be doing most of the heavy lifting.
Gather Warpstone, its crucial. Every map, prioritize Warpstone.
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>>47155214
Painting Mantic minis.
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>>47155090
I don't know what it does exactly but it is likely done by wizards to predict wizard shit
Didn't end well it seems tho
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>>47155320
Thanks, appreciate it.
>prioritize Warpstone
I'll be over that shit like Draigo smelling warpdust.
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>>47155428
I like the lady with the hourglass skullcap.
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>>47155428
Comes to think of it: the empire could be one truly spooky place at times.
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>>47155445
The problem with playing against the AI is that they're so busy to get into a fight with you that they don't leave you much time to gather it, and you get a lot of requests from your faction leader demanding a certain amount of Warpstone so unless you know how to get your shit quickly then you'll never have enough to send to the other two factions you can send it to for bonuses.
In general, being fast will get you around so you can get that Warpstone, being strong and not carrying much items into the map allows you to carry a lot of it, but you don't want to get your guys isolated because the AI will just rush and kill the fuck out of them and loot their body so you don't actually keep that Warpstone they gathered.
Move as a group, hit as many Warpstone deposits as you can until you encounter the enemy, then end the match quickly.
Players tend to be less focused on the fight until all the Warpstone is nabbed though.
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>>47155485
Crazy empire best empire.
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>>47155584
Sometimes I wonder why empire fans ditched the demigryphs for not being historically-looking enough when the empire had a great deal of strange and magnificent things.
Clockwork skeletal angels among all
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>>47155671
Last one for awhile, need to take a break. Will finish later.
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>>47155632
i never understood people who hated 8th Ed empire models. they wanted historical stuff for some reason, while the REAL empire is crazy awesome shit like
>>47155584
>>47155485
>>47155428
>>47155632
>>47155672
and picrelated.
If anything, Empire stuff should be more bizarre than what 8th Ed. brought.
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>>47155704
The "REAL Empire" was only heavily focused on "crazy awesome shit" for two editions. I prefered the Empire to be more historical based with a "crazy awesome shit" subtext. It contrasted better with all the insane stuff they had to fight all the time. The Empire was a beacon of normality in a bizarre world and that was fun.
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>>47155704
I thought the models looked great. Most of the stuff is pretty perfectly designed and just flavorful enough. Also most fantasy doesn't use the Renaissance style so it felt fresh when I first discovered.
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>>47155692
Can these be compiled into a PDF? I'm not up to trying to save and sort sixty individual images.
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>>47155872
>bizarre world
it's a world of cliched high elves, cliched undead, cliched spiky evul warriors, cliched arthurian knights and overcliched dwarfs. it's a fairly typical fantasy world, with little bits of original content. it could actually use some actual bizarre stuff. Empire had potential to be the bizarre faction, but no. people just can't stand when the default generic human faction is not, well, generic.
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>>47155978
That stuff is bizzare if you are from the real world and isn't used to generic fantasy clichés.
Warhammer is like 30 years old and all the generic fantasy ideas that went into it was considered relevant and not worn out at the time.
It's also a world were the Empire has an empire of rats living right under their feet, they don't know about it and refuse to take claims about Skaven seriously because the notion is bizarre to them. It's a setting were the Empire farmer goes to fuck his farm animal and later in the middle of the night he is awaken by a noise coming from outside. When he goes to investigate he sees footprints in the snow that suggests that a newborn farm animal walked away on it's hindlegs.
Very relatable stuff and grounded in reality.
Don't you hate it when that happens to you?
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>>47155935
If none does it I'll make it myself, but tomorrow.
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Are there any imgur galleries about the fantasy lore?
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>>47155935
>he has better things to do on a weekend night than make a Warhammer lore folder.
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>>47154984
Bumming master race.
That's why they're called sore arse warriors
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>>47155935
They're actually in the OP. But this way, its presented right here.
>>47155692
Starting up again.
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>>47155978
To be fair when they started, most of this wasn't cliched yet.
It was only a few years after Dungeons and Dragons that Warhammer came out.
>>47156517
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>>47156517
You're amazing. Hope you know that.
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>>47156530
Hell, Warhammer invented Meso-American lizard people and green orcs/goblins.
>>47156537
Thanks m8.
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>>47156530
>>47156543
The way the winds of magic would alter living things and the world was also a pretty interesting concept. It's at least more novel than most other ways a lot of settings presents the mechanics of magic.
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>>47156667
Warhammer was actually the very first game to have magic as something that can fail.
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>>47155692
Better stop posting this 8th edition shit.
6th or nothing.
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>>47156730
Hmm, I didn't know that. Seems to me that they should have had that in DnD considering how hard they were ripping off Elric.
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>>47156776
Post some 6th too! Its all good, babeh.
>>47156758
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>>47156785
Check out the history of GW here.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Games_Workshop
Its interesting in how closely related they were with TSR.
>>47156786
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>>47156786
No, it's not all good. For instance, the garbage you are spewing isn't.
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>>47154652
Too busy trying to see if the WFB universe has any cats and trying to woo Bretonnian ladies.I wonder if they follow a rare medieval practice where if you fight under a lady's favor in a tournament and win you can take her to bed. It would be an interesting way to explain where Bretonnians get all their young knights from without getting constrained by noble marriages.
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>>47156835
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>>47156835
To be fair, everything here is actually unchanged from the 6e lore.
>>47156842
WFB has cats, they have been mentioned in books and Neferata's old trick to manipulating powerful men was turning her vampire servant girls into cats, slipping them in the men's houses, and the vampire shapeshifts back into a humanoid form to have sex with him until he makes her his wife.
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>>47156892
So magical catgirls was canon for WHFB then. Cool.
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>>47157011
The novels also had one of Neferata's servants who could shapeshift into any animal. She was the Madame of a brothel and basically owned the city watch of Nuln.
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>>47157549
Well, there you have it. The newbies guide to Warhammer Fantasy, courtesy of the 8e hardcover rulebook.
I'll post a few more fun pages.
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>>47157592
Appreciate it, lad.
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>>47155214
I'm trying to write a list for my OnG and Orcs, and get a good tactica going for WoC for a friend who is looking to start.
Who here knows OnG, Orcs, and WoC?
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>>47157657
OnG, Ogres, and WoC*.
Typos are the bane of my existence.
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>>47157724
Gotta love how their guide for how to actually put models together, which has some glaring omissions on the process, is only included with the $80 rulebook in the back.
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>>47157765
For anyone who might be saving this for their own use, pinning doesn't work worth a shit.
You use your glue, apply to one metal side, apply a super thin sheet of tissue, then apply glue to the other to form a paper mache style cement between the metal parts.
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>>47157846
Some of this advice is actually good, other than them telling you to use Games Workshop products.
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I just found the 6'th edition Kislev army list that came with the White Dwarf from 2003 in an old magazine file. Everything in the list sort ofmagem sense and it even has the complete lore of ice magic in it.
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>>47158065
Skipping the Realm of Battle advertisement.
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>>47156892
I guess you can say that they pulled some serious pussy.
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>>47158465
>/tg/ misses Ward nowadays
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>>47158503
I miss Ward everyday since he left.
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>>47158503
I was until it became obvious that he wrote the End Times books and felt good about it. Now I just think he is a huge moron.
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>>47158608
He left because of End Times. Apparently his last work was End Times: Khaine. There's disagreement on whether he was trying to make it better or made it even worse than it already was.
>>47158592
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>>47158633
I liked that he offset how serious 40k was taking itself. I didn't like what he did for Warhammer that already had a nice balance of shit getting real and sillyness.
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>>47158677
I honestly feel that with 40k, what was meant to sound like an epic style of writing - and maybe come off a humorously pretentious - ended up seeming kind of grossly overindulgent.
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>>47158765
The man didn't know when to stop and no one probably told him to stop. I think it's good that people had to realise now that Matt Ward wasn't the real problem with GW.
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So how do Tomb Kings/ Vampire Counts deal with monsters like Hell Pit Abominations or Giants? Terrorgheists don't seem to cut it and I don't know if I should be running Hellwraiths through them.
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>>47159285
TK repeated chariot charges should work.
VC can buzz anything with Hexwraiths to good effect.
I think Tomb/Grave Guard are good at monster killing.
Both can kit characters to kill.
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>>47158018
Yeah, but only Katarina can use ice magic. It's kind of a wasted lore since Kislev has no regular mages.
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>>47159285
Units of Tomb/Grave Guard with the Banner of Eternal Flame should work wonders against HPAs, Treemen, and any other Flammable/Regenerating monsters. Same with the TK skull catapult, I think it has Flaming too, although I think it's kinda subpar against non-Flammable/Regenerating monsters.
Combat Vampire Lords/Tomb Kings can waste most monsters with some good die rolls. The TK sphinxes can go toe-to-toe with monsters as well.
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>>47156667
I like it too
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Which of the three 275-point Beastmen rare choices is the best /whfb/? Cygor, Ghorgon or Jabberslythe?
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>>47156912
Orc dog is freaky
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>>47160660
I think that's a squig
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WHF newb here. Would love to see any art of cool Empire units.
Also, do they have in WHF anything like the Space Marines?
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>>47160862
If you want space marines, you'll have to look at AoS.
But Chaos Warriors are armored, bulky dudes that could fit the bill.
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>>47160862
Chaos Warriors are kind of like CSM, but there's really no loyalist-equivalent. Bretonnia maybe a little bit, as they're a faction relying near-exclusively on mounted knights, making them sort of like the Space Marines to the Empire's IG, but you'd really have to stretch to convince yourself of that.
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>>47160691
Possibly, there are normal Squigs to the right.
Still it looks kind of unsettling due to its face and coloration.
>>47160862
Chaos Warriors are Fantasy's Space Marine equivalent and in fact inspired them.
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Gropey_the_clown (ID: !g3AO.hFIes)
2016-05-09 04:43:18
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>>47156842
WH has cats and dogs and sloths and all the normal animals you can think of, where they should be, just with extra stuff.
> wonder if they follow a rare medieval practice where if you fight under a lady's favor in a tournament and win you can take her to bed.
>>47160691
Squig-hound or attack squig.
According to the WHFRP Bret book, there are plenty of young noble "nephews" under stewardship of their "uncles" and "aunts", and plenty of merchants sons find themselves well appointed in the navy or such with a mysterious noble benefactor. These are suggested common backgrounds for Bret characters
And then there are grail maidens, who are rarely actually maidens. In fact, there is a magic item in the army book thats the token of a more freely loving grail maiden. Its a named artifact that isn't limited to one per army ifrc
>>47158503
Its just thick nostalgia goggles
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Gropey_the_clown (ID: !g3AO.hFIes)
2016-05-09 04:46:59
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>>47161355
Whoops
>>47156842
WH has cats and dogs and sloths and all the normal animals you can think of, where they should be, just with extra stuff.
> wonder if they follow a rare medieval practice where if you fight under a lady's favor in a tournament and win you can take her to bed.
According to the WHFRP Bret book, there are plenty of young noble "nephews" under stewardship of their "uncles" and "aunts", and plenty of merchants sons find themselves well appointed in the navy or such with a mysterious noble benefactor. These are suggested common backgrounds for Bret characters
And then there are grail maidens, who are rarely actually maidens. In fact, there is a magic item in the army book thats the token of a more freely loving grail maiden. Its a named artifact that isn't limited to one per army ifrc
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>>47161355
>Its just thick nostalgia goggles
Nah, it's people wising up to the fact that he wasn't some great evil and a lot of what he wrote was misconstrued or blown out of proportion.
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Gropey_the_clown (ID: !g3AO.hFIes)
2016-05-09 05:01:23
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>>47161480
Look, let me live in the past where end times never happened and we still hate Ward. Its comforting.
This new, Warhammerless world saddens me.
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>>47156120
you define "bizarre" as in-universe thing, but you want "normalcy" from real-life side. get your point of view straight, then talk.
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>>47158096
why did they have to ditch the Temple ofBiggerSkulls? was a cool model
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>>47160616
what edition?
in 8th, all three are sub-par, but Jabber is least bad of all
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>>47161738
Didn't hold a candle to skullhouse awesome, though.
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>>47160530
I remember that weirdijg me out as a kid because in the game Dark Omen there were a generic Ice Mage that you could recruit. So I was kinda wondering were the Ice Mages were at the tabletop.
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>>47161990
they are in Kislev, but they are too chill to fight
>"Get off your arses and go fight the Chaos, Ice Mages!"
>"Nah, we're cool."
>"Yeeah, we're too cool to fight."
>"Chill, dude."
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>>47161676
The Empire is the historical flavoured faction fighting against a bizarre world while being mundane and they get ahead with being inventive. Most people of the Empire will never see the Clockwork Horse, a Demigryph or a Chaos Warrior. A lot of the them don't know what a proper trained wizard is supposed to be like and they would feel safer just not having them around. They just go to their work in the morning and nothing particularly supernatural happens. That makes them the average guys - the normal guys.
Bretonnia is also pretty normal in the sense that Bretonnia is medieval France mixed with North Korea where the knights eventually evolve into French Captain America of the round table.
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Wow. AoS General died without reaching bump limit and we held on.
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>>47162382
Lets not talk about Age of Sigmar. It's a pointless topic to dwell on.
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>>47162382
It's because someone started a thread about the Silver Tower boardgame and split the posters.
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>>47162410
Unfortunately we hit the image limit one hundred posts of the bump limit, so we've got to rely on real conversation now.
So what is the worst change to 9th Age, and what is the best?
I vote forriders dying with mountsandnerfed cannons.
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>>47162382
>>47162410
Such language is uncalled for in a civilized thread.
>>47162440
My local group has been hemming and hawing on 9th age, aside from the two points you mentioned, is there a list of major bullet points for the biggest changes on the ruleset?
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>>47162440
>worst
removed some of random charts
>best
brought back bloodlines for vamps, aspects for WE and other fluffy stuff for other factions i don't care about
it sorta evens out for me in the end, so i'm kinda happy
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>>47162497
>shit tier
Absurd overprice of core troops on purpose, leading to taking even 1% too much core the ultimate suboptimal choice you can do.
That's not how balancing should have been done. Also some armies really got the shitty end of the stick.
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>>47162382
More than half of the thread was dumping pages from the 8th Edition rulebook.
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>>47155632
i wish minis of this creature, that looks like a bastard of angel, train, gryphon and tomb world sphinx
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>>47163283
>tomb world
tomb king, i mean
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Hello, guys. I want to feel the atmosphere of Empire, but i am newbee in all this. May you guid me, plz? What books i must read first?
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>>47163297
Still a better name than AoS stuff.
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>>47155632
I'm fine with the Demigryphs, I just don't think they look all that impressive. I'm really less positive to the oversized gryphon they got. The jumbo-gryphon has a terrible static pose and its plumes looks like pinecones. Thankfully GW had produced a much nicer looking plastic gryphon for the Island of Blood box and I bought two of them from ebay.
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>>47163367
The Gotrek and Felix novels are pretty good. Most of the action takes place within the Empire.
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>>47160593
Also giant monsters that cause fear or terror tests don't have that effect.
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What are the bare essentials to get me started with modeling and painting? Surely buying supplies directly off the GW site isn't cost efficient. Could I just go into any art supply shop and pick up paints there?
Maybe I should just put it out of my mind completely, since I'm broke as fuck.
Also there's a lot of what I would presume are old models being posted in this thread. Have these models been discontinued and are gone forever?
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>>47156832
I remmeber reading an interview with one of Gws founders talking about how much GW and TSR kept from each other in the early days because they were both being run out of some guys apartment and thought the other was a real business.
>>47158896
Matt ward was a big problem with GW, his shit house balance really killed the tourney scene.
You can have an incredibly difficult game or an incredibly unbalanced one succeed so long as people believe they have a chance.
No one believed they had a chance against 40 white lions with a banner of nope.
>>47163367
Start with gotrk and felix, then branch out into which ever faction you like the sound of.
The gotrek and felix books are hit and miss but they do a good job of fleshing out the warhammer world, I actually dropped the series at city of the damned though because it was written so poorly.
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>>47160530
and ogres had a magic banner that made the bearer immune to it. best banner ever
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>>47155214
A new empire swordman unit, based on perry and 6th ed bitz. New colour scheme too.
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>>47155704
8th ed empire models aren't all bad. Only the state troops and the shooters, who are really, really removed from the concept art to the point even the old kits are better. Pyjamas and barefoot, seriously.
On top of my mind, the mechanical steed and the witch hunters are really great, as was the hero and the wizard kits.
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>>47164722
The greatsword and pistoliers/outriders kits are pretty good too.
Really, it's just the state troops.
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>>47164722
>Only the state troops and the shooters
obviously, those are absolute shit tier
i was talking about demigryphs and altars though
those are straight out of those awesome artworks
and they don't really contradict that "Empire is one normal place in a bizarre world" that anons above talked about, since demigryphs and war/arcane altars are seen even more rarely than clockwork monsters
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What scale are WHFB minis? Not in mm, but in 1:xx ?
One local store has some Zvezda terrain on sale, but it's 1:72 so I wonder if it will fit muh minis
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>>47164767
I don't personally like the demigryphs, but I think they fit the empire's aesthetics. I toyed with the idea of making huge wolf riders as my army is from middenland to field them. The altars are really nice too.
Really, the gripe I have with post-6th edition models come from the state troops and the shooters.
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>>47164789
>I toyed with the idea of making huge wolf riders as my army is from middenland to field them.
have a look at Hoodling's Hole blog, that guy did that and it looks fucken awesome
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>>47164786
1:64 roughly
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>>47164844
hm, that's close... will have to take a mini to the store and ask the guy if i can open the box to see if it fits
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>>47163962
If you're poor avoid Gw.
When you say painting and modeling, are you meaning to start an army or just paint shit?
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>>47164922
Zvezda minis are kinda small compared to GW usually, except for the knights for some reason. Scenery should be on the short side, probably good enough to fit.
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>>47163962
Might as well help
>Models
Choose whatever floats your boat
>Base spray & paints
Most modellist paints work, GW's are easy to use but overpriced, personally I use Vallejo, for washes, mess with diluting paints and never again rely on premade washes, though you may want them for the replicability
>Tools, glue…
Skip all GW-branded tools, not worth the price, I still got the same plastic glue from when I got into the hobby, generic superglue works for metal
Once you get the hang of it, consider an airbrush, not mandatory tho
And above else, look for painting tutorials (drybrushing and washing mostly) and experiment
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>>47161480
I take it you never played 40k
5th ed Grey Knights was the worst book ever made in every single possible way.
The new units he helped desing were fucking retarded. The fluff completely destroyed the appeal of Grey Knights and read like something straight out of a 13 year old kid's fanfiction. Draigo was quite possibly the biggest mary sue ever made. The rules themselves were absolutely broken, even against his other books that they were normally fairly consistent against each other.
For this book alone, Ward deserved all the hate he got.
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>>47163962
With paints, it's best not to cheap out. Go for Vallejo, Game Workshop, Army Painter or Coat'd'Arms
Tamiya is also okay, but avoid Humbrol like the plague
> Have these models been discontinued and are gone forever
some have, some haven't
you can find a lot on ebay though, and if you manage to join the super secret chinese recaster club you can get access to a lot of out of production shit. Sadly I can't tell you how to do that, because being super secret is all that stops them from being enough of a problem for GW to shut them down
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>>47160918
>>47160942
>>47161194
Alright. Does the Empire have any cool infantry/gunner units, then?
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>>47165527
Yes, Empire infantry are usually normal dudes in uniform, handgunners, crowwpowmen, archers, halberds, swords or spears. You have a militia/free company troop choice, a elite infantry in plate armor and two-handed sword and balls-to-the-walls crazy fanatics.
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>>47165494
>5th edition grey knights
>worst ward book ever
Lel. I'm not disagreeing that 5th edition GK wasn't unbalanced as shit but, ironically, it was held in check by two more Warddexes, the Blood Angels and the Necrons. There was nothing, NOTHING that could stand against Ward's 7e Daemons of Chaos at full power.
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So, Can someone help me with my 9th list?
Orcs and Goblins, 2500. I'm unsure if I should add a second wizard or a solo goblin hero.
Lords-(570)-
- Iron Orc Warlord (Blessed Sword, Dragonscale Helm, Talisman of Supreme Shielding, Potion of Strength, Shield, War Boar)-265
- Savage Orc Big Shaman (Fencer's Swords, Gem of Fortune, Dispel Scroll, Path of the Big Green Gods)-305
Heroes-(208 OR 205)-
- Feral Orc Chief (Battle Standard Bearer, Screaming Swords, Mithril Mail, Waaargh! Paint)-130
Core-(813)-
- 38x Feral Orc 'Eadbashers (Champion, Musician, Veteran Standard Bearer, Banner of Speed, Mammoth Stabber, Paired Weapons)-468
- 20x Orcs (Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer, Crossbows, Heavy Armour)-200
- 5x Forest Goblin Raiders(Shields, Light Lances, Shortbows)-75
- 5x Forest Goblin Raiders(Shields, Light Lances, Shortbows)-75
Special-(618)-
- 13x Mounted 'Eadbashers (Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer, Stalker's Standard, Shields, Heavy Armor)-348
- Splatterer-90
- Splatterer-90
- Git Launcher-90
Rare-(285)-
- Gnasher Wrecking Team-65
- Gnasher Wrecking Team-65
- Giant (Ward Save)-155
Then, who do I add?
- Forest Goblin Chief (Shortbow, Lance, Hardened Shield, Potion of Speed, Huntsmen Spider)-78
OR
- Forest Goblin Shaman(Scuttler Spider)-75
One is 2+ armor with potential assassination abilities, and the other is a level 1 wizard. Ideas?
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>>47164411
I dropped Gotrek and Felix at Vampireslayer. No William King, no way. Dragonslayer and Beastslayer was pretty shit, though.
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>>47165807
>crowwpowmen
I want a tzeentchian riflemen unit called Crowpowmen now.
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>>47166103
I like to think an assassin order that worships Morr and their mandatory method is gunpowder.
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i need Skryre inspiration. suggest me movies/vydia/other /tg/s where i can go for ideas, inspiration and maybe bitz for crazy haphazard tech. not necessarily rats, just skryre-style tech.
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>>47162497
they brought back bloodlines, but in the shittiest way possible. a blatant tier list of best to worst, boring powers, only getting to pick one power, and the vamps just being kind of shit for their points all around. this even though their forums are practically begging to go back to vamps being really good even if it means the rest of the army taking a hit to balance it out. which is just their real problem all over again: they dont give a shit about what anyone else has to say
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>>47166058
>I'm not disagreeing that 5th edition GK wasn't unbalanced as shit but, ironically, it was held in check by two more Warddexes, the Blood Angels and the Necrons.
Oh look, another memer who doesn't know what he's talking about. Space Wolves and Guard were the kings of 5e, Grey Knights came late and while powerful were on the level of Dark Eldar power builds. The strength of the Grey Knights was the great internal balance, everything was a good choice, so even bad players could accidentally put together a competitive army.
The Necrons would only become top tier later when 6e hit and their Scythes became flyers rather than skimmers. No one had the answer to air power at that time. Blood Angels were never great.
>There was nothing, NOTHING that could stand against Ward's 7e Daemons of Chaos
Vampire Counts and Dark Elves were just as powerful.
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>>47158896
>real problem with GW
at this point, I wonder if everyone has a major case of stockholm syndrome for tolerating GW's shit for decades at this point
newcrons were the tipping point where I just gave up on newer shit
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>>47166224
I was fine with the Newcron retcon by virtue of the C'tan basically being removed from the setting as an active "It was me, just according to Dio!" force. The Newcron fluff itself seems pretty shitty, though.
The Dark Eldar revision in 5'th edition was surprisingly good, though.
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>>47166100
I find mages more useful myself, close combat assassination (against mages kept in the backlines I guess) is a really hard task even for a fast character.
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>>47156161
Ok, I've compiled the PDF but it turned out to big to be easily uploaded through 4chan so I'll either make an imgur album with the various pages or upload it somewhere else.
suggestions?
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>>47166933
mega it
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>>47166259
>by virtue of the C'tan basically being removed from the setting as an active "It was me, just according to Dio!" force.
You mean by the virtue of you being total idiot. Everything the C'tan did is still canon except now it's "It's me shard-Dio".
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>>47160862
we hit the image limit but I've got 3 links with a bunch of unit concepts, many for the empire
http://imgur.com/a/k3bQl
http://imgur.com/a/U7gBf
http://imgur.com/a/Lk3H2
the closest analogs to space marines would either be knights orders and warrior priests for the empire and chaos warriors for chaos since the very concept of the space marine was born from them; the bretonnian knights reach a certain resemblance to black templars due to the occasional crusading theme while the grail knights reach the point of being superhuman warriors among the factions of order.
There're also the stormcast eternals to be honest which are a way more direct translation of space marines, but those are stuff from the age of sigmar, which is not exactly well considered by many, me included, nor have any right or place to appear in the warhammer fantasy setting that is discussed in this thread.
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>>47166102
So Dragonslayer and Beastslayer are the worst of the William King era?
A shame, I was sorta enjoying Lurk's antics as I finishe Daemonslayer last night. (The cover on Dragonslayer makes the airship seem waaaaayyy too small and the gondola way too far from the actual airbag.
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>>47166164
The Oddworld series.
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>>47154749
Why is he wearing his wife like a hat?
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>>47166102
Vampireslayer was still the original author. Orcslayer was the first Nathan Long one, and it was bretty good, though it was weird to see Gotrek and Felix having full, normal conversations.
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>>47167217
They are mostly bad because of Felix bipolar bitch of a girlfriend he picked up.
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out of curiosity, does anyone have a guide for greenstuffing horse barding?
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>>47166700
The issue is that the level 1 is literally just a t3 w2 dude on a spider who knows 1 spell.
On the other hand, I can pop that potion of speed for the ability to fuck up many targets on the charge with the spider boss. 3 attacks at s6 i6 and 3 attacks at s4 i4 poison on a dude with strider, m7 and a 2+ save seems like it could fuck over a lot of units.
It seems like I can always find a target to send the Spider Chief after, whereas the shaman would be hit or miss (although when he is useful, he would likely be very useful) I don't have infinite magic dice, and my Orc shaman will probably be eating them up to cast the reroll-to-hit and the hand/foot spells.
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>>47167808
>On the other hand, I can pop that potion of speed for the ability to fuck up many targets on the charge with the spider boss. 3 attacks at s6 i6 and 3 attacks at s4 i4 poison on a dude with strider, m7 and a 2+ save seems like it could fuck over a lot of units.
..if you hit anything. I agree though that the lev 1 doesn't seem to add much. Then again, you could up him to lev 2 by dropping some stuff like his spider (only makes him a bigger target) or bows on light cav (they'll hit close to nothing anyway). Gobbo spells seem fun, especially the path attribute.
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>>47166164
Gremlins 1 and 2, Small Soldiers.
>>47166171
But that's the way its always been. You only played Lahmians for fluff, Necrarchs to win.
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Has anyone made a female Skaven model? Not like Ink-Eyes rats, I mean like the giant normal-looking rat with all the nipples. If not, what is a good proxy that isn't an Abomination?
Me and a buddy want to run a Clan civil war campaign where we're fighting for breeders. I also kind of want to make a diorama of a Warren.
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>>47168402
well, since nobody made a normal-looking male skaven with giant rat balls that rats have either, we can say all skaven models are androgynous
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>>47168441
Naw, I mean like a giant breeder. Like
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gZS4Ni0nycg/Tq3DyIZQWxI/AAAAAAAAAZM/vzTVodSeoow/s1600/skavens2.jpg
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>>47168402
Well a good base would probably be some sort of naked mole rat figure
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>>47167950
If anything, I would probably cut the shields on the spiders. 5+ isn't much better than 6+, and the bows have 1 specific job-
You are suggesting to stick a w2 wizard out on their own. The point of the vanguard+scout bows was to be able to shut that down t1 if an opponent tries it, and then maybe kill someone with my redirectors by harassment with bows.
I was sticking him on a spider so that he would have a unit to hide in, and better mobility.
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>>47168816
>You are suggesting to stick a w2 wizard out on their own.
No, I'm not.
>I was sticking him on a spider so that he would have a unit to hide in, and better mobility.
How about the crossbows? I would not stick my fragile mage into expendables (spiders) or my fast close combat block (boars).
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>>47168877
Won't he be able to be targeted since his base size will be different?And the spider was for flexibility. Scout and Vanguard somewhere, join a unit if you need to avoid an assassination attempt, and then follow a unit around depending on what spell you rolled.
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>>47168402
'Breeders' are giant, blind rats that look like obscenely swollen maggots.
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>>47167568
Ulrika is such a drag, and then she gets turned into a fuckin' vampire so she can eternally be annoying.
Felix should have pounded that countess pussy while he had the chance, because after that he goes on a literal 20 year dry spell.
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>>47169027
Countess Emmanuel? I don;t remember them interacting directly even at the end of Skavenslayer.
So far Ulrika hasn't been so bad but I've only just started Dragonslayer.
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>>47169004
Okay.
So what's a good model for that I can buy?
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>>47169061
Ulrika is best in her first solo book, worst in her second.
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>>47160862
I really wish they did have space marine equivalents in fantasy, something like the chaos warriors but for the gods like sigmar, ulric and taal. I always hated how the "good" gods are so nerfed and have barely a handful of champions at any given time, while the chaos gods get 7 foot tall superhuman foot knights who don't need food or rest as core troops. The only exception to this is the lady of the lake, who can grant her entire army ward saves almost without fail if they pray hard enough
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>>47169077
Solo book?
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>>47169084
You mean Stormcast Eternals?
See, the reason why a lot of us play Fantasy was specifically because those things don't exist. The Empire soldier is just some dude with a family in town that spends his nights at a pub or yelling at his kids who grabbed his sword to defend his town from supergods. He'll probably die and have his soul raped by Daemons, and if he doesn't he'll never be the same.
He's the main character, not some other godlike being. We have investment in him, he has investment in this battle personally whereas the supergods attacking some other town is a huge breath of relief for him temporarily.
When you introduce godlike beings, they become the new main characters and the militiaman becomes a sidekick at best. Those godlike beings fight everywhere but don't stick around and certainly don't mingle with the common folk and don't hold honest jobs.
Shit, even the evil supergod only really has killing like twenty guys under his belt usually. He's got a family back home too, he's probably also going to die here. He's not a symbol of anything, a manifestation of anything, he's an asshole with some magic buffs and that's all.
If you like it, great. That's what Age of Sigmar is for, but there's an intentional seperation between us due to irreconcilable differences.
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>>47169116
Ulrika the Vampire spinoff seties. Bloodborn is the goid one I think, where she struggles with fledgling vampirism and Lahmian politics while trying to remain somewhat human and Kislev proud. She has to rely on everyone else heavily, but not to the point of being useless.
Then it goes downhill, she becomes a whiney brooding antihero who's the only one getting shit done and everyone hates her for it.
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>>47169061
No, a Sylvanian countess who takes Ulrika under her wing and was feeling Felix out for becoming a vampire, though he didn't notice and she drops the issue once she realizes he doesn't approve at all.
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So I want to get into Warhammer, problem is I fucking love the Orcs but I want an army that serves Khorne.
What do ?
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>>47164722
Everything in 8th edition is bad. 6th just beats the living shit out of it.
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>>47155935
Tbh I have no idea why the fuck you posting these page by page when we have the full book as a pdf.
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>>47155935
The guy is dumping the 8th BRB page by page for some reason, here it is:
https://mega.nz/#!HIBGka6R!YKP2ju_j107yssPIwd8fJldH8rMCpu4YkeojoeXzji8
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>>47169405
Try two very basic small armies of both. Couple of core units and a character. Then see which one you prefer as you collect, paint and use them.
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>>47169260
It also sucks to be her friend and allie. At least Praag was a nice setting for the second book.
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>>47169470
I'll start with a few Orks then, and if I don't like them, they still look cool and I could maybe make a small scenery to display them in the house.
Would it make sense for Orks to be influenced by Khorne ?
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Today for my Empire army I got:
Two boxes of crossbows/handgunners
Three boxes of state troops
Two cannons
One unit of pistoliers
One general.
£77 is decent for that I think. I have my knights and hellblaster coming too.
Either greatswords or flagellants to round it off.
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>Mfw the new chaos lord is the best GW mini ever produced for chaos
>tfw i know that box will be temp out of stock right off the bat if i'm too slow.
New AoS-fication of barbarians trumps anything WHFB did for them, and i have 200 chaos marauders (50 horsemen and 150 GW marauders)
If that's the new barbarian look, i'm pretty sure i'll try AoS until 9th adapt.
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>>47169584
wow, what shit taste you've got
only Slaughterpriest is decent, everything else is fucking shit
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>>47169627
All the Khorne stuff is excellent tbqh.
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>>47169690
it's ridiculous. oversized, overspiked. it's just silly.
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>>47169627
Did you see the new silver tower chaos lord ?
You consider that shit ?
Please give me a better chaos mini so i can see how good your tase are.i'll laugh if it's crom or old archaon , that chaos lord have more detail in his nipple than old archaon on his whole failcast.
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>>47169405
Make Khornate Orcs.
Nothing prohibits it.
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>>47169725
No you had to describe the new chaos lord, not the WHFB 90's to 05 chaos range.
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>>47169584
>>Mfw the new chaos lord is the best GW mini ever produced for chaos
>not the old metal juggerlord.
>not old archaon
>not slaanesh lord in titsnake
>no juan diaz daemonettes
>..
Pleb taste 2bqh.
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>>47169517
Orcs. Orks do not exist in Fantasy.
Sure, anything can turn to Chaos. 40k is the setting where it actually is mentioned as having happened in the past, but nothing in Fantasy prohibits it. Go for it, have fun.
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>>47169754
>silver tower chaos lord
you mean alternate Gaunt Summoner? he's better than first one, i'll give you that, and the head is cool, but the rest of his body? nah.
>>47169754
>>47169782
chaos lord on steed. that black-armoured one, with a hammer.
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>>47169725
>3 spikes on the whole model, (and that only small one on the arm) most realistic sculpt in age.
>Oversized and overspiked
kek
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>>47169725
It looks super metal.
If you can't appreciate big and spiky then you have no right to speak of Chaos.
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>>47169813
No, i think they all speak about the barbarian
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>>47169584
Stay civil this time Slav, and you may not be banned.
But yeah, Warriors of Chaos are pretty shit tier to me. I don'y like the AoS minis either, but to each their own.
I just hate that huge armor look. Like these guys cannot move without clipping or lookung like they're waddling like a baby with a full diaper. It just looks stupid and reminds me of link pic related.
http://scene7.targetimg1.com/is/image/Target/18791804?wid=480&hei=480
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>>47169813
>>47169627
https://warofsigmar.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/blogging/picture10/768/Captura_de_pantalla_2016-05-09_a_les_19.02.44.png
This chaos lord.
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>>47169900
ah.
okay, that's decent.
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>>47169900
Looks like a Druchii Dovokhin. Not in a good way.
Then again, I'm biased. Other than a handful of Daemons I have never seen a Chaos mini that I feel is worth American money, the time it takes to strip the mold lines off, or paint that could be used in other projects.
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>>47169900
So from here out they're not going to have the super heavy armor chaos types given new molds?
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>>47169985
Only Archaon followers get heavy armor. He's now the von Carstein/Ultramarines of Chaos.
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What's a Chaos Warrior army without Chaos Armour? Then they're just ordinary.
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>>47170118
>Only Archaon followers get heavy armor.
I'm just going to ignore this piece of lore.
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>>47170118
Khornates and probably Nurglites appear more.
>>47170174
It's not lore.
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>>47170201
>It's not lore.
All the more reason to ignore.
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>>47170201
New Nurgle models pretty much just have helmets on.
Khornates are similarly bare-chested.
The only new models with armor are Archaon's honor guard.
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>>47170262
>The only new models with armor are Archaon's honor guard.
Blood Warriors, Skullgrinders and Aspiring Deathbringers,
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>>47170311
Exposed arms, exposed faces.
Those are not the heavily armored Warriors of Chaos with nothing indicating there is a man under the armor, they are dudes wearing metal tank tops.
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>>47169210
Tired of this "Warhammer is just a man and his sword and his bravery up against the horrors of the world" because it's bullshitband applies to exactly one playable faction in the setting. Play as literally anyone else and your "just a man defending his home from eldritch horrors" narrative flies out the window. And since when has there been a main character who wasn't some legendary figure? The brave men are the faceless mooks who die in their thousands to achieve victory. Yeah, they're brave, but the battle is going to be decided by a witch hunter or warrior priest dueling the enemy commander or a glorious artillery barrage killing the enemy dragon. And they aren't just grabbing swords from the cupboard and running out tonight beastmen. For the most part these are highly trained men who form the backbone of a nation that has been in an almost constant state of war since it's founding.
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>>47170346
>Exposed arms, exposed faces.
And yet they still have armor. Curious.
>Those are not the heavily armored Warriors of Chaos
Chaos Warriors have always had exposed bits be it bare heads or mutations.
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>>47170420
Still, at least a handful of them in art and model packs were drawn or could be constructed with no exposed flesh.
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>>47170420
Anyone else hate the lack of posability on the current kit? I mean the armor and the look is spot on but the rigid walking statue look is down right awful
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>>47170367
>Tired of this "Warhammer is just a man and his sword and his bravery up against the horrors of the world" because it's bullshitband applies to exactly one playable faction in the setting. Play as literally anyone else and your "just a man defending his home from eldritch horrors" narrative flies out the window.
High Elves defend their homes, Dwarfs defend their homes, Wood Elves are trying to defend their homes, Warriors are men with former lives of being ordinary folks rolling the dice at something better, the Tomb Kings were ordinary folks and many still emulate their ordinary lives in undeath, the individual Skaven just just a weak small humanoid that is easily frightened, Goblins are pretty fucking weak and Orcs are mostly at just a +2 Strength conpared to a human, the vast majority of the Vampire Counts creatures are weaker than a human.
>And since when has there been a main character who wasn't some legendary figure? The brave men are the faceless mooks who die in their thousands to achieve victory. Yeah, they're brave, but the battle is going to be decided by a witch hunter or warrior priest dueling the enemy commander or a glorious artillery barrage killing the enemy dragon.
Witch Hunters and Warrior Priests are only slightly more powerful than men. Not 7 foot tall walking demigods.
>And they aren't just grabbing swords from the cupboard and running out tonight beastmen. For the most part these are highly trained men who form the backbone of a nation that has been in an almost constant state of war since it's founding.
Yeah...read the lore. Most Empire troops are teenagers or in their early twenties and have been a soldier for a few years at best. Greatswords are not the average.
Even Bretonnians only get their real blessings as old men who worked their life for it, and there are only a handful of them.
Super powerful demigods and elite champions are rare as fuck. There is ONE Archaon, and a handful of Champions at any given time.
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>>47170420
We were talking about getting any more old style Warriors. Check back through the conversation to the start.
Those exposed bits were only mutations or alternate heads with both being only optional, these guys have huge exposed sections and are monopose so you can't swap it out with full armor covering.
Old Warriors are gone. Unless they are exclusively Archaon's like the new horsemen, they aren't coming back either. Only exposed flesh, no walking suit of armor.
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>>47170584
They do at least still sell the old kits for now right?
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>>47170584
If Blood Warrior are not fully armoured then niether are the Varanguard. Look closer.
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>>47170618
Yes.
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>>47169770
AWW FUCKING YISSS.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
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>>47166217
>Vampire Counts and Dark Elves were just as powerful
Hah, not a chance. VC and DE armies did better than the rest of the pack against 7e Daemons, but only in the sense of "maybe we can grab a draw" as opposed to "pack it up, boys, let's go home." DoC won approximately 80% of all US tournaments between the release of their 7e book and the start of 8th.
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>>47165494
>the new units were fucking reterded
Everything was far too cheap but most of the new units and rules were great,especially the Brotherhood Champion.
It's just the Dreadknight was shit,and lore was shit,and special characters were shit.
Except for that ghost summoning dude. I liked him
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>>47171031
Remember that it is borderline canon, we've got mainly 40k stuff and way old fluff for such a case, but as long as you don't overdo with the elaborate armors or with the relation with other orcs* you should be bloody good.
*for the orcs venerating other deities despite mork and gork is seen as strange, immature or their own little version of heretic, but such cases are not impossible.
Daemons too have troubles with orcish psyche, but orcs and khorne are so related the face of khorne is said to have orcish features and I doubt orcs or khorne daemons have divergent opinions in the matter of war.
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>>47170547
This. It sums up my opinion on the setting.
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>>47172349
>>47172349
>>47172349
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