Warhammer 40k General

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Does this mean I can't use a Kranon build anymore? Or that you get one each of melee, ranged, armor, and other relics?

>>47096512
Remove chickin.

Are there any other competitive war convocation lists besides allied BA?

>>47096600
War Convo will be taking a competitive hit without the Drop Pod Allies.

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>go to bed last night
>have a dream where Magnus The Red is a cute chubby college girl
>we go out on a date to the zoo and have a lot of fun
>then we head to the movie theater to watch something
>it was late at night and it was just us and an old dude in the first row
>we're all the way back
>she confesses to me
>we make out
>she starts stroking my dick
>we head back home and have what is possibly the longest dream sex I've ever had
>in the morning she disappears without a word
>wake up

What does it mean?

>>47096661
Yeah but what is the best replacement for pod allies in your opinion?

continuing from last thread

>No, if you buy a Crisis Team unit with 3 models, those 3 models stick together like any other

but you can just buy 3 units of 1 suit each though, right?

>And burst cannons are pretty poor choice, you have plenty of other sources for massed S5

so just go TL plasmas for the CFD suit? you say that there are other options for S5 spam but im pretty limited on fire warriors due to the amount im investing into the suits, sure i have the ethereal but the double attacks only work at half range

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>>47096688
You need a girlfriend.

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>>47096706
That's the thing anon I HAVE a girlfriend

>>47096577
A single relic of any kind. Is that weapon a relic? Is that armour a relic? They both are? Then choose one.

>>47096721
you need to a hotter girlfriend

>>47096700
Yes, you can buy Crisis suits as individual units, but each unit fills an elite slot, and generally you only get 3 of those

Armies of nothing but crisis suits can be fragile, without other shit around they can be easily focus-fired and each of them is only as hard to kill as 2 space marines, or 1 if they're hit by S8

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The Sigmarines are confirmed to have females among their ranks.

How long before the 40K Space Marines follow their example?

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>>47096688
>Having a shit primarchfu in the first place

>>47096688
1. was she tall?
2. was she reddish?
3. did she only have the one eye?

>>47096791
Yes to all three

>>47096776
>How long before the 40K Space Marines follow their example?
>Caring about AoS anything at all.

Literally Never, there was no fluff behind Sigmarines being all male where as that is a huge part of the fluff for space marines.

You can dream though faggot, dream and stroke your SoB
>T-they are j-just like female Astartes
>With less strength and toughness

>>47096760
>Yes, you can buy Crisis suits as individual units, but each unit fills an elite slot, and generally you only get 3 of those

the context of this was a 500 pt army, and my elites are those 3 suits, will have either 2 small squads of firewarriors/breachers or 2 large squads of kroot (10-12 snipers, 20 non snipers)

HQ is an ethereal right now but thats probably going to change

>>47096589
Get yourself a trip so we can filter you out you shitposting piece of shit.

>>47096813
Oh small games yeah whatever goes

>>47096802
h-hot

>>47096811
>>47096815
Guys just report him.

>>47096811
Fluff can be changed.

>>47096815
>not just filtering that retarded spelling

>>47096839
>Filtering at all

You sensitive ninnies

>>47096853
Alright carnac. That's another one of your strange insults filtered.

>>47096699
>Yeah but what is the best replacement for pod allies in your opinion?
Not being a faggot comes to mind

>>47096826
k thanks for the clarification

would an ethereal be legit with the 2 squads of kroot or should i still look to change him for a commander?

>>47096891
>everyone I dislike is carnac

This thread is going places.

>>47096589
Chicken kebab?

>>47096512
Why the fuck do you keep going backwards with the image? No Renegade Knight, no Genestealer, three scions.

I noticed in the previous three days that people were starting multiple 40K general threads at the same time. What's up with that?

i want to get ready stellaris and make a tyranid race

http://empiredesigner.xyz/

what options would you guys pick for tyranids?

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>>47096985
Why the fuck does it matter, as long as people recognize the image its fine.

>B-but my memes
You're the problem.

>>47097013
Equal representation matters. It's in the constitution.

This FAQ on the 40K facebook page is going on about to hit rolls on psychic powers. Do they have to roll to hit if they go off?

>>47097029
>implying what the constitution says matters anymore.
Anon, if the US goverment feels free to wipe it's ass with it,mwhy the hell should we listen to it?
Also, you forget about yuropoors and thr like.

And yes, I know you're joking

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>>47097029
>implying Americans are the only one in this thread
>implying anyone but the lowest of cunts starts shit about the OP image.

This is my last (you), hope someone else feeds your complex.

>>47096985
>factions without a codex

>>47096986
FAQ came out so posting hit a fever pitch, had a general actually make it to 500 posts before dying and someone made a new general around 350

>>47096993
someone make necrons

>>47096986
For the passed few months I have been starting 40k generals around 350-400 posts as a goal of not hitting 500. I win more than I lose
Its caught on

>>47097085
What were people mostly posting about at the start?

I wasn't here.

>>47097056
If it's a witchfire with a non-standard profile like psychic shriek or spirit leech it is treated like a regular witchfire for targeting but it auto-hits

>>47097063
>>47097061
You autistics, I said it as a joke. Not a funny one but still a joke. Why did you guys have to start a rant about America? At least one of you guys got it.
I swear Euros just want rip at us at any given chance.

>>47097127
Can you not read?
I clearly said:
>And yes, I know you're joking
At the bottom of my post
>>47097061

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>>47097127
I made my image as a joke as well.
I am also American, its just too early for me to deal with children complaining about the shitty OP image

>>47097141
When I said
>At least one of you guys got it.

I meant you but you don't help yourself from ripping at the US of A, you commie.

>>47097119
About the FAQ? Mostly the obvious stuff. People complained about one grenade per phase even though it's in the BRB, GCs confirmed for shooting all guns, Ad Mech lost drop pods, and Possession can now summon any variant of Bloodthirster (and FMCs can land gliding from deep strike now)

>>47097141
>At least one of you guys got it.
That was meant for you retard, can you not read?

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>>47097115
>I have been starting 40k generals around 350-400 posts as a goal of not hitting 500

But why?

Just autistic or some sort of social experiment?

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>>47097161
Not commie, libertarian. I just want the USA to go back to what the founders wanted, without abuses of the commerce clauses, carrer politicans, ridiculously high taxes, absurd amounts of welfar and an interventionist foreign policy

>>47097164
Apparently not.

>>47097193
Thats great but this is a /tg/ thread and no one gives a shit.

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>>47097193
In short you want to make America great again.

>>47096577
>>47096742
This is why it was asked in the first place. Shit was terribly worded and was different in certain codex.

>>47096831
Apparently people get banned for false reports if they do, so no point.

>>47096891
Not everybody is Carnac. The guy is easy to spot, but there are copycats who are too lazy to make their own gimmick persona. Carnac is literally "This one sentence bit of fluff means X Y and Z despite that never being said. What? You want proof of those things being true? WELL IT MAKES SENSE SO IT'S TRUE". The Person. He is also a walking spouter of logical fallacies. It's best to just ignore him. He'll get bored and go play Hearthstone or something eventually.

>>47096993
I bought the Galaxy Edition and I have no idea how to link my accounts or anything. I was going to send /tg/ into 'space' but I dunno how to do it.

>>47097013
>replying to poop posters

>>47097063
It's either Carnac, the Slav Shitposter or the Doom Sayerfag who is probably Slavic as well. Just do your best to ignore bullshit.

>>47097056
The FAQ on Facebook is a draft. It is not 'legal'. You must wait till it's officially released on GW's site before any of those rules officially apply. However, many people are obviously applying certain stuff written in FAQ anyway cause it's so unlikely to get removed.

>>47097115
Afaik auto-sage is 300? Or is it 400? Or 500?

I dunno, it's all screwy, last time I checked auto-sage was when Mods banned /wst/ cause of the shitposter raiders. Some of them settled here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzPuK1vib_c

>>47097214
>protectionists who is OK with the minimum wage and the military industrial complex
>making america great again
Nah, I'm supporting macaffe and/or peterson.
But we should probably stop this conversation, as this is /tg/, not /pol/

What should I expect from the Eldar at 600 pts?

>>47097229
>poop posters
What are you, 5?

>>47096577
Kranon is no longer a legal build. Leave it to GW to use a FAQ as an excuse to further fuck the game.

>>47097229
Talking about shitposters is shitposting.

>>47096831
Announcing reports is a bannable.

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How would you redesign the Vespids in aesthetics and functionality?

>>47097260
Well, there is a /po/ meme in the op image.
Try to figure that out.

>>47097289
Oh fuck off, don't act like posting about toy soldiers on a peruvian antique elephant hunting gun collectors forum is serious business

>>47097321
This attitude is the reason why these threads went to the crapper.

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>>47097214
>not posting the best one so far

>>47097163
Thing is, it isn't even official yet. It could change (thou some shit is so unlikely cause it's written in the fucking BRB, like grenades for example) and thus people should wait till GW release the final version.

Until then, people will just have their BP rise up as they read shit which thinks dooms their army when simply explaining to GW on their Normiebook page will make them work towards fixing it. There is also an email, an email I have been giving out to Ork players on /40kg/ to encourage them (and Nid/DE/GK/BA) players to explain why the codex isn't very good and how to fix it. Don't be rude. Just make it a polar opposite. Just explain how X or Y could be viable...

The email, as always, is automated reply, but they do read it. So send it them, be nice, make it well presented and reasoned. It's the only way to make change.

Here is email:

[email protected]

>>47097189
Hes trying to force some chicken /pol/ meme is why

>>47097265
2 Wraithknights.

>>47097347
SAVED

>>47096600
Double knights.

>>47097265
Scatbikes and a Wrathknight.

>>47097347
>Thing is, it isn't even official yet
No, but they have told us to go playtest it.

So telling people not to use these, when 80% of them are not actually changing anything, just clarifying how the rules work for the super retards who can't read English.

>>47097347
Yeah there's definitely going to be some changes (First draft yadda yadda, literally contradicts itself about ICs in the same squad manifesting the same power, etc.) but I think for the most part they are good changes and the player response FAQ is something direly needed in 40k.

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>>47097347
>having sanguinus, best of men, be replaced with Bernie "I support a system that has failed every time it's been tried" sanders
It's bad enough people insist on replacing the god emperor with a buiness mogul turned celebrity turned politician with alot of bad ideas, but that's over the line

>>47097352
Nah I have like 8 different General Images and you can't please everyone with any of them.

>>47097283
It was never a legal build anyway.

And, once a fucking gain, this is a DRAFT. Got a problem? Go tell them.

Memes a side, what is the most WAAC ork list no allied renegade Knights?

>>47097402
You are right, it could have been John Kasich

>>47097402
If you're going to post about politics can you save the actual political shitposting for the board intended to house such garbage? No one cares about your high-school level, historically-revisionist, woefully-reductive political analysis here.

>>47097402
>>47097402
>"I support a system that has failed every time it's been tried"

>Socialism
>failed

Pretty sure Sven would like to have a word with you senpai.

>>47097309

Grav Weapons.

>>47097410
It was a legal build. You faggots pretending otherwise are pathetic. We've had years of mutli-relic characters for CSM and SM, and suddenly you retards have started sprouting up.

>>47097417
>most WAAC
an unbound army of 83 Mek Guns?

Or some shitty mix of Mek Guns, Tankbustas and MANz.

>>47097417
Bikes, MANz, and a triple set mek gun batteries each one 5 strong.

>>47097395
Exactly. But look in this thread.

>omg this build isn't possible, another fuck up by GW :*((
>omg DE suck now GW suck more :((

Etc. If it's such a major problem (let's ignore the fact that they were essentially 'cheating') then why don't they go and try and fix it? We're told to playtest it, as you said. Well reply to them and go "I want to build this deathstar because reasons!" or "I want to be able to move flat out and still shoot accurately" or whatever.

>Tyranids got nerfed to shit
WHY

Monsters can no longer get covers saves from models smaller than them and not jinking monsters cant vector strike. All this means is that flyrants really are the ONLY worthwhile unit in the codex but now they're COMPLETELY fucked over by ap3 skyfire weapons.

At least skyfire is harder to come by n- wait, psychic powers with no profile no longer need to roll to hit? never mind.

Can we start a new general with no Chicken so that all these /pol/lacks know this isn't a political thread.

Jesus Christ.

So has anyone ever realized there army was a bit too oppressive or competitive and had to be toned down? What made you realize? What changes did you make?

>>47097439
Because the interpretation was wrong. I ran multiple relics on my BA Captain. I pretended he was Brother Seraphan. Gave him Valour's Edge, Fury of Baal, Angelic Visage, Vitas Verdie and the Jet Pack. Stuck him in some Sanguinary Guard and played non-S8AP2 armies of my friends.

Regardless of your comments, the rules have been clarified.

>new bl novel
>shows tyranid made it close to the sol system

why do chaos has a hard time reaching terra when xenos do it all the time. ork, necrons, and tyranids did it.

>>47097469
Shut up, carnac,

>>47097488
Likely because the emperor is a big psychic lighthouse and chaos advancing on terra would be a much more immediate threat, and thereby addressed much sooner, than a cron world awakening/ork invasion/tyranid swarm

>>47097474
So Games Workshop made all of Kranon's gear into relics with the intention of mocking Crimson Slaughter characters. Fuck, isn't there even a picture of Kranon in the supplement listing all the shit he's equipped with? Why the fuck would Games Workshop put a picture of an illegally equipped model in the book?

>>47097403
...i'm pretty pleased when someone posts my Christmas or planet of guardsmen edits

>>47097469
if anything i need to bulk up my units since msu doesn't work well for me

>>47097506
>I don't want political discussions triggered by meme images
>must be Carnac

Wew Lad.

>>47097469
We have multiple shitposters and gimmickfags, every time you get upset about something, they'll post it again to annoy you. We've had the chicken for nearly a year, it's done because the shitposter that is Carnac refused to provide evidence to his claim and so people asked for proofs and the /pol/ meme spread here.

>>47097460
Isn't all that stuff mentioned in the BRB? As in, shouldn't you be doing that anyway?

Question regarding the Waaagh Ghazgkull Supplement: Can I simply take a CAD and have my warbosses and big meks take Orkimedes relics? Or am I restricted to Orkcurion shit?

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>>47097519
>posts my Christmas or planet of guardsmen
Got both of em, last time I used the guardsman planet people raged.

>>47097417
Biker boss with Nob bikerz, nobz with power klawz in a 'naught, and as many shoota boyz as you can field

>>47097529
You had the op image defaced because of what a shitposter did a year ago?
The fuck man?

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>>47097516
>>47097474
Pic related, faggot. The preceding page even says that that's the wargear to take to represent him on the table.

>>47097469
>What made you realize?
Recently went against a SM army that brought some terminators and besides my heavy bolters, TL bolters and AssCannon everything on my side of the field had AP2

>What changes did you make?
I think I may start bringing Deathwing again, but not knights. Just a bunch of shooty terminators with a couple TH/SS thrown in.

>>47097469
Malefic daemons are pretty much impossible for any non-top tier codex to even have a prayer of removing more than ten models from the board. I just asked if I could start swapping summoning/possession/incursion for cursed earth instead to cut back on the impossible-to-deny-infantry-spawning.

Frankly I'd prefer if cursed earth was the primaris anyhow. It's what you want out of your malefic rolls to make your army usable without being broken, but you're forced to take summoning when you roll up a possession/infernal gaze/dark flame that you have no use for.

>>47097524
>using reddit speak

No, you are worse than him.

>>47097570
>not drowning your enemy in a tide of summoned D-thirsters that enter play on the ground

>>47097529
It was unclear at best. I thought that intervening models rule would at the very least give warriors a cover save if behind gaunts, who cover half of them.

But no, 25% only applies to terrain and it if a model is just a little bit taller than the models in front they can just 'shoot over'.

>>47097469
I played eldar and summoning tzeentch daemons.
Then 7th edition eldar and Curse of the Wolfen happened and I don't lose if I try.

Now I play harlequins

>>47097586
Isn't it "if the intervening model does not obscure the unit behind it" that they don't provide cover?

>>47097538
as long as i made 1 person happy i'm content, at least with this one there was a joke. i haven't seen another meme i could turn into an OP image easily

>>47097584
downside to that is it's expensive summoning. you need at least 6 warp charges for lv3 if you're not eldar or marines

>>47097569
>everything on my side of the field had AP2
How much was that though?
Assuming you are Ravenwing, how many 2+ jinks?

>>47097613
>if you're not eldar or marines
half the armies in the game can take a librarius conclave, another large chunk can take an allied seer council or eldar cad with no detriment, and the rest can take daemons with a million warp charges.

>>47097469
>Can we start a new general with no Chicken so that all these /pol/lacks know this isn't a political thread
The chicken had nothing to do with it. Some anon mentioned the constitution and it all went down hill from there.
Just ignore Shitposting and it will stop. They live for (You)s, if they don't get any they'll try something else

>>47097469
Just tell them to go to /pol/, since a good portion of it is actual political disscusion, not just /pol/ shitposting, and they'd be better served going to the board for poltics

>>47097648
silly me, i forgot with allies anything is possible

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>>47097644
>How much was that though?

At 2500pts, (including combis) 6 grav, 8 Multimeltas and 15 TL Plasma. Also Sammael has a Plasma Cannons.

>how many 2+ jinks?

3 Darkshrouds at that level but one sits with my land speeder formation so, counting that, 2-3 units (but it can be most of my deployment when things are so close, it also helps improve any other jinkers near by)

Also everything on my field has the option to scout.

>>47097696
I mean in the end it is still just eldar or marines. But at least you have access with the magic of Allies!

>>47097674
>>47097692
>shitposting dies down
>20 minutes later
>ignore shitposting. Don't talk about it

It's funny in an ironic way.

>>47097584
I actually just won a bid for a Skaarac recast that I'm going to be using my spare thirster bits to turn into a D Thirster stand-in. This FAQ had me tickled pink with FMCs arriving gliding because Thirsters are just about the only FMC in the game that wants to be in assault primarily, and as such they were the only one that suffered from the turn delay. But all that is past now.

>>47097613
Daemons have more WC than anybody between greater daemons, princes, horrors, and heralds. With paradox at only 25 points it's actually very easy to build a daemon list now that will routinely cast 3 WC spells on only 5 WC usage. Prismatic gazes/4d6 Flickering Fires/Boon of Flame/Summoning/Possession galore

>>47097608
Nope, it's if you can't avoid shooting the unit at all now. a carnifex could be up to its waist in gaunts but as long as you can see it's upper half just fine it doesn't get a save, you can shoot over them.

>>47097727
It's a message that needs to heard all the time, because the shitposters will always be back.
But yeah, it's a little funny

>>47097738
And this is in the FAQ?

>>47096900
Legal yes, whether it makes sense is a different matter.
For small point games, I always prefer a fireblade with a strike-pulserifle team.
Ethereal can be very bad, if you loose him and his advantages don't really come into play with so few models on the table.
Commander price tag is just too damn high.

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>>47097738
>Yes, as long as the line of sight for the weapon being used is not obscured by the intervening models and does not pass through a gap between the models in the intervening unit.

>If that Infantry model partially obscures the target from the firer, then yes

>No – the target only needs to be partially obscured.

I know im not copying over the conditionals and caveats, but it really seems like if interveining models even partially obscure something, you get a cover save

>>47097736
>using Paradox to cast Possession
That doesn't seem like a sound long-term plan.

>>47097558
I didn't, no.

>>47097563
I am not denying this. As I said this is a draft, go and argue with GW. They're literally making YOU playtest and fix the game. So go and fucking fix it.

I just picked up a Tau Commander

How is the coldstar suit?

>>47097776
Well to be fair, in that case you rolled possession on the unit and made the conscious choice to not swap for summoning because you either don't want it or already had it. So paradox for possession isn't all that bad a trade (though you're likely only making it when you're way out ahead) when you've basically just spent 75 points for a D Thirster.

>>47097805
A trap. don't do it.

it gets insta-killed from grounding tests and has fixed weapons that no one wants to use.

On the other hand - its Tau's best flier so make of that what you will

>>47097771
I really think they phrased it poorly and were referring to stuff like knights shooting over grots, but it doesn't read like that.

>>47097798
Damage control

>>47097805
Stylish, but wonky. Its annoying in low point games, but anything higher up and it'll be rather ineffectual.

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>>47097516
Real question is why didn't GW put the Vrosh rules to be use as a CS character in the update?

The made so that CS can't get special character because of the VotLW, then give them their character of which you already have the rules.

>>47097824
Yeah of course if you have two tall things shooting at each other over a small unit in the middle obviously your not getting cover.
I don't know why anyone would have assumed you did before anyway.

>>47097417
Bikers with Znasdak, more bikers...some more bikers. Then Tankbustas and a Kustom Stompa

>>47097841
your husbando a shit and only worth $7 on ebay

>>47097818
>>47097835

I might just put it together with the wings and stuff anyway, It looks a lot better with them

>>47097852
I feel like this was trying to clarify that, but did so in a really bad way.

Expect people to start modeling their figures on top of rocks for that sweet height advantage.

>>47097798
The interpretation clearly wasn't/isn't wrong, which was what you claimed. I don't give a shit about the FAQ, I'm just tired of faggots like you claiming that the single-relic ruling was accepted or even supported prior to the FAQ.

>>47097916
>>47097916
Fair enough. Just be sure to clarify it with your opponent.

>>47097892
Is CSM we are talking about, everything is garbage.
But it would be nice to have the CS character in the CS supplement. Because that's how supplements are suppose to work.

>>47097824
>>47097852
I'm going to have to ask for more clarification then. How obcsured is obscured.
A carnifex blocking everything but a tyrants head and shoulders is 'obscured'.
A guardsman blocking sight to a knights left foot is 'obscured'.
Where is the line between these two that grants a cover save?

>>47097805
It can be highly effective, I recommend putting a shield gen and FNP on it to help avoid death.

>>47097841
Because he is only useable in two dark vengeance missions

>>47097967
There isn't a difference, offically both now get cover (As little sense as that makes)
the exact wording is
> No – the target only needs to be partially obscured.

Didn't think it was possible but Orks have become even worse from an FAQ.

>>47097980
Then what's the point value for? Dark Vengeance missions don't use point values.

>>47098010
Hey now! trucks totally got a 6+ save vs the D. That makes up for it, right!?

>>47097980
The note in the end are there if you plan to use him in the DV missions.
You can only field him in mission 5 and 6.

It's a regular character for everything else.

>>47098015
Apocalypse :^)

Riptides with Shielded Missile drones get a 4+ save against Grav for being a mixed unit.

>>47097818
>its Tau's best flier
What.

How the flying fuck is the coldstar better than the Barracuda, Remora drones, or even the Razorshark?

You high man.

>>47097841
So you still have to buy DV

>>47098078
Sorry, your right.
>tau's best codex flier

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The fuck are they trying to say here?

>>47098102
The entire IC image is messed up. They admitted as much on the picture description - use the text questions for the correct answers

>>47096700
Buy two plasmas not twinlinked.

>>47098075
No, but they are WOUNDED on a 4+.

>>47097818
>it gets insta-killed from grounding tests and has fixed weapons that no one wants to use.
>On the other hand - its Tau's best flier so make of that what you will

Neither of these are true. Grounding has a high enough S to Instant kill it, but it still has to /fail/ the grounding test, and then it has to flunk the ++/+++, too.

Tau's best fliers are Forge World. And now the FAQ has clarified that the Y'Vahra can get 2D6 overwatch hits from wall-of-deathing with its torrent weapon while still overwatching with the other hand /and/ confirming that the torrent weapon can hit fliers/FMC with skyfire. So our best semi-flier got even better.

>>47098086
Razorshark is a codex flyer.

>>47098075
They also have to test leadership whenever a drone dies and can run away scared.

Which is why nobody takes the drones.

>>47098078

Are any of the Tau flyers worth getting now with this dumb new flyer book?

>>47098190
Pretty sure its still not as good as the coldstar

>>47098168
see
>>47098086

>>47096688
Just as planned.

>>47096688
I had a dream where I was a mother, but being pregnant would make it very hard to play 40k, and once you have kids your life is over, not to mention kids cost a LOT more money than plastic and paint.

What does it mean?

>>47098251
well, the bomber lost skyfire, so its no longer a better fighter, and bombers got the least benefits from this book of any of the types, so the sunshark is bad now.
And I don't think the razorshark was ever very good

so, no, not really

>>47097434
He would, but he's busy watching his wife get raped. However, he would probably say something along the lines of "Homogeneous white nations that became rich due to free market capitalism and then only later became socialist don't count."

>>47098405

Do we know if Interceptor Drones still have Skyfire?

>>47097417
Kustom stompa spam.

>>47098251
No one knows the roles/pursuit/agility of the Tau fliers, yet. And no one knows what changed about the formation.

>>47098476
They do. Their unit profile contains skyfire and interceptor, IIRC

>>47098505

I was just flicking through the book, I really should of checked out my armies flyers before I left the shop

Which unit is the champion of melee?

>>47098384
>girls play 40k
This is a meme right

>>47098539
Wulfen, unfortunately. Watched them kill an invisible Thunderstar the other day.

If drones are attached to a vehicle do they use the vehicles BS or their own BS?

>>47098539
Chaptermaster SMASHFUCKER or SMASHFUCKER PRIME

Beats pretty much anything except for any high toughness or at-initiative D, and certain primarchs.

>>47098572
Their own. They fire like passengers.

>>47098572
Their own BS. IIRC, they fire as if they were embarked passengers

>>47097535
I'm fairly certain that only models that are part of one of those formations is eligible for any of the Orkimedes stuff, which is a shame because I desperately want that MFF.

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If Interceptor drones overcharges their Ion Rifles (FAQ allowing Blast with Skyfire) and they get a Get Hot result, does it hurt the drone or the Sunshark?

>>47098554
femininity and masculinity are just memes

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What Eldar and Dark Eldar units are best used when making a Corsair army? I'm not sure what their equivalents are. Also what models would make the coolest Corsair Prince?

>>47098539
Skarbrand.
>ws10
>I10
>flesh bane
>armour bane
>instant death
>hatred
>7 attacks

>>47098598
Drone's are passengers, so the drones I would assume

>>47098319
Not sure what you are comparing with here, because the razorshark is an AV11/10/10 3HP flier with:
>2 S7 AP4 shots at 36"
>Either S8 AP4 Large Blast or 4 S7 AP4 shots at 30"
>2 seeker missiles that can potentially hit at BS5 ignores cover at 72" with S8 AP3

All of this for 150 points. Throw 3 points at it to get a 4++ save against all guns that has the interceptor rule for shits and giggles.

What's the difference between old and new fire warrior kits, aside from price and new turret drone?

- Hasn't played since 5th edition

>>47098696
Slightly different look, and the turret, and the option for Breachers, as far as I recall.

>>47098696
It's subtle, but it's a whole new sculpt.

You also have breacher heads/torsos/pads.

I think it's got full drone options, and at least two female heads (see General image).

>>47098696
10 instead of 12
details are significantly better
extra turret drone
enough pulse carbines for everyone
parts for breachers

Just QoL changes, really.

>>47098693
Yeah, it's not a bad flier, it's just a bad Tau unit. The main gun is a turret, too.

>>47098592
>>47098595

When they detach can the drones be solo? Or do they have to go as a pair?

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Missile Pod or Burst Cannon (tabletop performance vs aesthetics)?

>>47098845
This is all in the codex

>>47098693
>all that for 150 points
>bad
>Dino with just an autocannon like 175 or so
>good
??

>>47098845

Pair.

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>primary way of killing knights in the local meta are small haywire grenade and melta bomb suicide units
>either are limited to a single grenade per phase and unit now
Can't wait to take my knights to the field this weekend. Got some scores to settle.

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I would like to take this opportunity to tell all the haters out there that denied that gargantuan monstrous creatures could not in fact fire all their weapons at one time, despite some like the stormsurge being modeled with 5+, some with absolutley no purpose if it was otherwise, to eat the biggest, longest dick in the world. Prepare your anus for 2 stormsurges firing twice, with 10+ weapons, all while being immune to tank shock deaths while stabalized.

>>47098539
Jain Zar kills most other challenge characters that aren't MCs

>>47098554

they didn't say they were a girl.

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>>47098849
Barracuda.

>>47098696
-the legs arent fucked to all anymore, the legplates arent ridged instead of segmented with a mould down the niddle
-less mouldline on heads
-new backpacks for breachers and FW, no more pegs to join, its an oval in a divet(so without cutting, incompatible with old torso)
-NO OLD BONDING KNIVES. The twisty ones are gone, so instead of 5 you get one dagger.
-newer sculpts on arms; you wont have as much trouble getting your hands and shoulders in the right angles. If you know the old kits, this was annoying.

Oh and you get a markerlight in it now, too. Two new drones(Turret and Guardian Drone that conveys a save to Breachers with backpacks)

Also they went full Jew on lenses too. No more actual round lenses, welcome to just a raised circle.

Sorry for ranting, just assembled two boxes of both old and new.

>>47098901
just them, btw. i plan to do this every game i play the one guy at the store who denied this is how it works. everyone else gets to fight my stealth suit, kroot, and fire warrior heavy tau lists. and he gets to be salty because its a league and he can either play me or forefit.

>>47098849
Missile pod is better in both

>>47098922

Not longer around.

>>47098901
>gargantuan monstrous creatures could fire all their weapons
But that's how gargantuan creatures worked anon

>being immune to tank shock deaths while stabilized
But that's not how being unable to move works anon

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Will all factions get their interceptors, their bomber, and their attack plane in the next updates and future codex?

>>47098940
What army does he play?

>>47098845
If you use the 7E codex, they detach together and then form a single unit.

If you use the legal 6E Codex + Kauyon, then they detach at the same time.

>>47098987
no

>>47098951

Even without Skyfire? It's an attack plane, isn't it?

>>47098539
Skarbrand with special mention given to Khorne DPs or Bloodthirsters holding Skullreaver.

No unit can be as killy as Skarbrand, even other greater daemons, without multiple gifts, the eternal blade, or perfect psychic rolls (GUO with iron arm/warp speed and a balesword/eternal blade/touch of uncreation could get close) can do the same stuff he can routinely. Special mention to skullreaver daemon princes and thirsters though because they are the highest initiative unit capable of striking at D.

>>47098987
Every faction will, but the one you like the most.

>>47099033
You have enough S 5 AP 5 shots as Tau. Half shots for double range, +2 strength, and an extra AP is a nice deal.

>>47098978
>being immune to tank shock deaths while stabilized
>But that's not how being unable to move works anon

Before, it simply didn't work, because the rules didn't allow the GMC to die to tank shock, and it didn't allow it to move while anchored, and it didn't allow the tank to stop. Tank shock resulted in a divide-by-zero case where the best solution is for the tank to stop short and deal D3 wounds instead of instant death.

FAQ allows the anchored SS to dodge tankshock, though. With a specific note that Tank Shock was never intended to kill.

If the new Death from the Skies detachment lets you take four of any flyer

and the interceptor drone is a flyer

can I take four free fliers?

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>>47097771
So not only are gants tissue paper but now they won't even work as a reliable meat shield? This is really fucking sad. I know Gargoyles are still an option to the smaller monsters but this is a heavy blow to Termagants, Hormagaunts and swarm players in general...

>>47099080
I guess I missed that part of the FAQ

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Which factions have:

Interceptor?
Bomber?
Attack Plane?

>>47099103
Why would you expect to get a cover save from an intervening unit so small that they don't cover any of the target at all? That isn't "intervening"

>>47099099
The Interceptor drone isn't a flyer. Its jet pack infantry with Skyfire that can turbo boost as a jetbike and starts embarked on a flyer.

What on earth brought you to the conclusion that they were flyers you could take for free?

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>Ice STORM assault pack
>Two STORMwolves
>Two STORMfang gunships
>HailSTORM assault special rule
>Ice STORM special rule
At least it's not wolves, I guess.

>>47099149
Because that's how its always worked?

Why would something not get a cover save for something being in front of it? Gaunts aren't even that small.

>>47098862
everything is relative to the codex its in

How does this look for a fluffy 750 Nurgle list:

750 Pts Chaos Space Marine
HQ
Chaos Lord (135 Pts) FgGren, KrGren, Power Armour, Bolt Pistol, Power Fist, Mark Of Nurgle, Sigil Of Corruption, Veterans, ,
Troops
Chaos Cultists (57 Pts)
- Chaos Cultists (9): CCW(9), Autopistol(9), Flamer, ,
- Cultist Champion (1): CCW, Shotgun, ,
Fast Attack
Chaos Bikers (165 Pts)
- Chaos Bikers (4): FgGren, KrGren, Bolt Pistol, CCW, Melta gun(2), Mark Of Nurgle(5), Veterans(5), ,
- Aspiring Champion (1): FgGren, KrGren, Bolter, Bolt Pistol, CCW, ,
Elites
Plague Marines (241 Pts)
- Plague Marine (8): FgGren, KrGren, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Plague Knife, Flamer, Plasma gun, ,
- Plague Champion (1): FgGren, KrGren, Bolter, Bolt Pistol, CCW, Melta Bomb, ,
Heavy Support
Chaos Predator (152 Pts) Twin Lascannon, Lascannon(2), Havoc Launcher, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, ,

The plague marines become troops because of nurgle chaos lord.
Is marking units at all a waste in low points matches?

>>47099143
Dunoo, but Atia's leaking the datasheets at the moment.

SM, BA, GK:
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/745

SW, DA, IG, O:
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/746

That's it so far.

>>47099177
>Ice STORM assault pack
>Two WOLFwolves
>Two WOLFfang gunships
>HailWOLF assault special rule
>Ice WOLF special rule

ftfy

>>47099181
Is it though? there was always the clause in there for shooting over intervening models not providing a cover save.

If anything this is a buff to intervening models cause you don't have to be 25% obscured. Any obscurement will do.

That gaunt that covers exactly 1% of your monster's toe? provides a cover save.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qolk_rDA9xU

>tfw no cheap Arbites miniatures

How can I uphold THE LAW?

>>47099205
agi 4 is good, what does attack flyer get it?

>>47099205
Without "Opposite" you're only getting half the story.
It can vector strike during a dogfight.

>>47099225
the attack flyer and bomber roles don't have any native special rules (including no native skyfire)

only the fighter role gives native special rules (those being optional skyfire and -1BS vs ground targets)

The different roles only affect what benefits they get in the various attack patterns and the dogfight phase

>>47099248
> no skyfire

eh, thats fine, not like anyone was using it with an autocannon

>>47099080

What do you mean dodge?

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>>47099285

>>47098901
No one plays vs two Stormsurges you waac retard. Congratulations though, it must really mean a lot to you. You should win more games now. Dont forget you have to declare targets for each weapon before firing any of them.

I feel sorry for you bro.

>>47099209
that absolutley does not override the minimum 25 precent coverage.

>>47099295
>>47099285

Both attack planes? I was expecting a bomber or a fighter.

>>47099205
What does aerial strike do? Is Vector Striking during the dogfight phase?

Everytime i play squash i think about a different space marine chapter/legion, i don't know why. Last time it was blood angels, this time it was Word bearers.

What the fuck is wrong with me

>>47099297
all these flavors.

>>47099298
From the FAQ

>Q: Models obscured by intervening models get a 5+ cover save just like the cover rules of terrain. Does this mean that I only get the cover save if the models are obscured by more than 25%?
>A: No – the target only needs to be partially obscured. If, on the other hand, the target is completely visible to the firer, but the firer shoots through a gap between models in the intervening unit, then the target still receives a 5+ cover save.

most notably
>No – the target only needs to be partially obscured

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>>47099341

>>47099308
The rules around bombers only affect the actual bombs. The doomscythe doesn't have bombs so doesn't make sense as a bomber.
The nightscythe not being a fighter is questionable, but I believe the description for attack craft includes flier transports

>>47099285
>>47099295
that fluff description

Swarm tactics?
since when are necrons a horde army?

>>47099283
Tank shock always allowed units to make a morale check to dodge it. MCs and GMCs auto-pass the morale check.

Before, SS couldn't move because of Anchors, so you get into the weird situation, but the FAQ allows it to get out of the way even if it was anchored.

>>47099315
Well you are playing Squash instead of Raquetball for starters.

Fag.

It is called daydreaming, happens to me when I am doing other hobbies as well

So, I'm guessing Space Marine/Imperium flyers are slow and clumsy as shit but well armored while the Eldar have fast and agile flyers but fragile with everyone falling in between.

Anyone been to Active Imagination in Albuquerque? I might be going later today and want some info beforehand.

>>47099341
Can Eldar not get the best of the new rules for fucking once. Fuck me for picking an NPC faction apparently.

>>47099357
>>47099341
>>47099325
>>47099295
etc.

I wish they posted the flier detachment. I think thats the only thing we don't have yet

>>47099354
>Intervening Models
>If a target is partially obscured from the firer by models from a third unit (models not from the firer’s unit, or from the target unit), it receives a 5+ cover save in the same way as if it was behind terrain.

>>47099354
So the solution is to model a couple of gaunts sitting in trees, and put them on either end of the squad like goalposts. Then no matter what they'll be shooting between models.

>>47099401
No

>>47099401
Eldar get highest persuit/agi from the new flier supplement, crimson hunter exarchs are no longer 1 per detachment
formation gives free shrouded

FAQ gives eldar D-proof wave serpents

Thanks GW. Your the best

>>47099418
Did you even read my post? I directly quoted the FAQ that said
>Does this mean that I only get the cover save if the models are obscured by more than 25%?
>No – the target only needs to be partially obscured.

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I think the Nephelim is now the only Fighter with Strafing Run, which is kinda nice.
Still overcosted, but having an actual multirole fighter is unique enough.

>>47099295
>>47099285
>necrons
>still more agile than Space Wolves

>>47099440
Weeeeeeew

>>47099455
Does the Dakkajet no longer have strafing run?

>>47099467
This sounds stronnk

>>47099449
>exposed pilots

Hurry someone defend this.

>>47099413

Tau and Imperial Guard flyers haven't been leaked yet.

>>47099507
They are made of metal

>>47099507
>rapid regenerating pilots/metal
>it worked 100,000 years ago it'll work now


maybe John Necron wants to feel the wind in his hair

>>47098568
>>47098634
>>47099046
Equivilent points of Wulfen probably stomp any single model unit for this Q.

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>>47099512

No Vendetta yet.

>>47099507
Necrons don't need a windshield. Their bodies already effectively do what is needed.

>>47099454
Yes the FAQ surprisingly is a clarification of the rulebook quote. When it says "it receives a 5+ cover save in the same way as if it was behind terrain." it means that the model gets the same cover save as if were behind terrain.

So, the only good thing about the Dark Eldar is the flyer?

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>>47099538
>imperial guard airforce
>pursuit 1

>>47098862

>12/12/10
>Daemon
>iwnd
>vector strikes

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>>47099381
In general, yes, that's the idea.
That said, the Lightning is, according to fluff, scary fast and agile, to the point of being able to keep up and even outpace fucking Nightwing Interceptors.

>>47099559
Lots of poison, great looking models

>>47099564
Average joe against supernatural threats; someone has to be the bottom

>>47099538

vendetta isn't in the book

>>47099473
>orks

>>47099579
Don't forget it gets raped by crimson hunters in the fluff fampai!!!

>>47098893
Not a change retard. BRB says one grenade per unit per phase.

Are fighters rare as fuck? I think only Eldar, Orks, and Marines have fliers. Everyone else seem to have attack planes or bombers.

>>47099617

it specifies throwing in that rrstriction.

>>47099629
Who needs fighter when you have dinobots?

>>47099573
>A single STR 7 hit
>Worth giving a fuck about
>Esp when you're never going to be able to Vector Strike then shoot something

>>47099617
Not him, but there's a difference between throwing a grenade and glueing a shaped demo charge to the side of a tank.
I always assumed the term 'throw' in this context referred to Overwatch, to be honest.
And obviously a lot of other people thought the same, considering the general surprise this has garnered.

Right, have gone through 1d4chan tactics pages and added the flyer type to (I think) every one that's in DftS. Have not however rewritten the tactica themselves, so there'll be a lot of Attack Flyers with tactica saying they're solid anti-air for example. So, if people could have a crack at their own armies' tactica entries for the flyers, that'd be groovy.

>>47099686
Well good they changed it. Now firewarriors will be shit against walkers in close combat like how they should be.

>>47098967
Almost every recaster makes them and sells them for $55-65 USD.

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>Models that take wounds from grav weapons get a save equal to their toughness value, but never worse than a 6+

Does this fix grav weapons?

Its also fluffy, as grav will be more effective against bigger, heavier targets.

>>47099676

it's still d3 against flyers.
how often do you play against armies with only 1 thing you want to shoot at?

>>47099746
Sounds pretty cool actually.

>>47099746

Just get your terminators or whatever the fuck in cover. Problem solved.

>>47099746

Grav amps need to go too

>>47097538
New softcover WG lets an army take from either relic list.

>>47099780
Hunters Eye, Phase Form, Auspex. Try again.

>>47099467
A free, no-scatter vehicle deepstrike every turn sounds good.

>>47099780
>just stick the 35+ PPM unit that's supposed to be durable in cover so that hideously overpowered Grav guns don't completely gut the unit in a single volley
Hell, a Terminators invulnerable is as good as most cover.

>>47099820
It does need to be in reserves, which really limits your options turn 3 onward

>>47099724
And Tankbustas will be shit in CC against tanks like they should be

Wait

Does anyone have the rules for Necromunda? My group is getting into it and I haven't been able to find them in the OP.

>>47099760
>d3 against flyers
Three hits, hitting side armor, takes an average of 1.5 hull points a turn, requires you to point your rear armor at that flyer you just vector struck when you're done.

And, yeah, if I'm running a Heldrake there's usually a v specific target I wanna drop the s6 ap3 ignore cover on: Bikes. Shooting tacticals with it is a waste of points.

>>47099617
Guess that means only one model per unit with assault grenades gets to attack at normal initiative when charging through difficult terrain :^)

Why does the OP image not have a tyrants legion guy?

>>47099961
Why do so many people give a shit about that fucking image?

>>47099629

Not that strange given they were originally designed to offer fire support to ground troops.

>>47099961

Because who the hell plays Tyrant's Legion?

Seriously though who does.
I'd love to see their army.
Astral Claws color scheme is just so damn slick.

>>47099295
>>47099285

What does Attack Flyer mean? Do we still have skyfire? Does it only matter for the Dogfight phase?

just tabled a guy who brought a double kheres mortis and sicaran to 1000 points with DE
AMA

>>47099297
Shit tons of Tau players bring two Stormsurges you casual shitlord.

>>47100109
How do you weight your dice? In the oven or with injection stuff?

>>47100077

It only matters for dogfighting, squadrons, and attack patterns. Only fighters.

>>47100109
How many scourge squads did you deepstrike in?

>>47100077
Fliers now come in three roles:
fighter, attack craft, and bomber.

Neither Attack craft nor Bomber have any extra special rules (including skyfire)
Fighters keep the optional skyfire, and have -1BS vs ground targets.

The only distinction between Bombers and Attack Craft is the benefits they get in the various attack patterns. For the record, Bomber's suck. Their benefits only ever benefit their bomb, of which most Bombers have 1

>>47100077

Fighter are the only one with Skyfire.

>>47098515
Sunshark is a Bomber, Razorshark is an Attack. Neither has Skyfire base anymore.

>>47100139
microwave and blood rituals
I've found tau player blood comes up with the best results
>>47100144
none
2 ravagers did the heaviest lifting, got stunned results on both of them, then reavers did their ALLAH AKBAAAAAARRRRR thing into the sicaran and got lucky with cluster caltrops hits

Are Harlequins viable as a mono army instead of as allies?

>>47100185
We were talking about the interceptor drones

>>47097309
Cheaper. They got a price increase for no reason. either upping their shots or do what
>>47097438
suggested. Would solidify their place as an Anti MEQ/TEQ unit.


As for aesthetic, I quite like them as they are but redesigning the wings to be more insectoid and dropping the shitty blue colour would be great

>>47100015
>he doesn't go to art galleries to flirt with milfs, flirt with art students, and score free food/booze

>>47100202
Likely not. You can try but its going to be very difficult

>>47100215
>tau players think they need grav weapons
hey bud, you do crossfit?
you can crossfuck off

>>47100116
Taufags, ladies and gents.

>>47100215
I'd say to give them Rending attacks in CC. Let's them use their I 6 for something useful and gives them a role that isn't just worse crisis suit

>>47100218
Sorry I didn't realise I was looking at fine art there.

>>47100202
About as viable as mono-scions. You better be playing them just for fun or you're going to have a bad time

>>47100202
No
They don't have HQs (so can't form a CAD) and all their formations have a shitty Heavy Support tax to weigh them down

>>47100263
>people would rather just see the same list over and over again rather than giving one unit a buff so it's actually competitive for its slot

ok dude

>>47100310
Well, all their mono-build formations
The one where you take like 4 special snowflakes on their own is pretty alright. Especially on a terrain-heavy table where they can hide out of LOS until needed.

>>47099564
The Valkyrie and Vendetta are more like CAS craft than actual fighters. IF you want to see the ACTUAL Imperial Air Force, take a gander at the Lightning and Thunderbolt.

>>47100327
>thinks adding grav to an already top tier army is the solution to an underperfoming unit

>>47100327
Grav weapons are broken all to hell. A melee buff would be more balanced and actually give them something o make them stand out.

>>47099538
Does this mean scions have to pay 20 points for heavy bolters now instead of their in-codex 10 point heavy bolter sponsons?

>>47099467
>>47099325
Dark Eldar flyers seem pretty strong now. Too bad about the fucking rest of the army.

Remind me, is it Kiss, Caress or Embrace you put on Quins?

Why are tyranids stereotypically played by girls?

In my experience they are more likely to play wolves

>>47100437
Some girls are indeed on Team Jacob, but some are on Team Tentacles.

>>47100403

They really are, they need toning down somehow

>>47100437
>heartless, soulless, screaming creatures that travel along sucking the life out of anything they come across before moving on