Warmahordes General

>>46898702
So, 4 hours until new info?

>>46898702
>Infantry spoiled this far can still one round a 'Jack on average dice
Nah

>>46899046
But the only infantry spoiled so far are....... Trenchers? Really? Two pow 11s hardly scrap jacks

>>46899046
You mean Trenchers? Yeah, no.

>>46899046

>a 10 point unit + UA charge a 6 point Jack
>the Jack dies

???????

>>46899169
New Trenchers shouldn't kill a heavy unless it's some junky ARM17 piece of crap and they all hit their charge attacks.

They'll probably junk one up a bit but that's to be expected since as you point out their unit probably costs more than the jack they're charging.

>>46899169
Except they don't. Let's assume you have 10 Trenchers that get to assault a Heavy at DEF12/ARM19. Let's assume that your opponent is not dumb and thus you can only get successful charges with 4 dudes. Let's also assume that you roll average dice.

So you get 10 shots and 4 charge attacks. Your shots need 6's as do your charges, so you get ~72% hits. So 7.2 shots and 2.9 charges hit.

You deal dice off 8 damage, so for simplicity's sake let's say your shots each deal 0.5 damage and your charges each deal 4 damage. Those numbers are slightly off but not by much.

So you deal about 15.5 points of damage. That's half a heavy.

>>46899285
I don't think you can really count half a point of damage, if an average dice roll is "7" and its dice -8 for damage, most of the attacks won't deal any damage.

>>46899521
>most of the attacks won't deal any damage.
Correct. But some will deal up to 4 points of damage. The average is about 0.56 per attack.

I over-guesstimated the boosted ones though. 3D6-8(min=0) is about 2.82.

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>>46899521
>>46899567
As a follow-up: I made these tables to save myself the time calculating hit+damage averages.

>>46899046
They might one round a light 'jack or beast, but they're not going to roll over any heavy without some serious buffs/debuffs.

New Trenchers are bretty gud, though. I'd consider picking up Cygnar if there weren't already a ton of swanfuckers in the local meta.

I just hope they take the Junior's Arcane Shield away and just bump every Cygnar model up by 1 ARM, maybe 2 in special cases.

>>46899601
>>46899567
Very nice!
So about...10 damage points on average. Thats not one rounding but that is still a good bit of damage.

>>46899654
I doubt they are going to buff the arm, maybe a cast cost increase.

>>46899660
They're probably better off CRAing and positioning so the jack/beast can only get 2 of them per round. Or let the armor-crackers handle it and concentrate on the infantry instead.

>>46899697
I don't know. I just seriously hope they do. Because Arcane Shield is one of the main reasons for Stormwall supremacy. If PP want Cygnar to take more heavies it needs to go.

>>46899243
>>46899285


Sorry I guess the quote implies I meant trenchers but I was meaning any melee based 10 point unit should probably be able to crack armor fine.

>>46899806
Yeah cause you've seen their rules.

Is there a round-up anywhere of everything leaked so far?

>>46900319
Can't link cause at work on my phone, but the pp forums has a thread that rounds up all the spoilers.

>>46899601
How do I read this?
The to-hit I'm reading at the chances of rolling >= for the target - I know this because I know it's 58% to roll >=7 on 2d6.

But the damage confuses me.

>>46901113
Example: POW13 VS ARM22 -> Dice off 9

2D6 will on average deal 0.28 damage
3D6 will on average deal 2.08 damage
4D6 column missing because I play Cygnar

How does Continuous Fire work? Each turn i (if it was me who inflicted the effect on enemy models) roll for damage as if enemy models were hit by POW 12 weapon, right?

>>46901205
It's a POW12 damage roll. There is no hit involved. Also, it goes out on a 1 or 2 which you need to check beforehand.

>Still no Thamar Faction.
>Sad

>>46900319
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?249154-Comprehensive-Collection-of-MkIII-Spoilers-(-Spoiler-Alert-)

>>46901278
>Thamar Faction
You mean a faction of radical individualists? Do you see any problem with that?

>>46901363
All of them are specified. Presumably it's part of their new way to streamline things, like how eiryess2 has her card say 2 on both sides.

>the first model you ever bought and painted that holds a special place in your heart

Oh Widowmakers, how much anger you've caused in my circle of friends.

>>46902378
The squire. Going to repaint him soon though.

>>46902378
Either the Corollary or the TEP. Both were complete nightmares for my local groups.

>>46902378
>old metal Juggernaut

Such a simple, pure beatstick. Nothing like rolling all 5's and 6's on a charge under pButcher's feat.

I stopped playing Khador once I realized that they weren't a warjack faction, but with mkIII, I might go back.

>>46902378
I think mine was either Denny1 or a Deathripper. I never play denny, but the rippers are great

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>>46901281
>Still no Cephalyx journeyman stand-in
Feels bad man

>And for a final point of comparison, the Redeemer is now 11 points (so again slightly cheaper) and, are you ready for it, thanks to the change in how ROF works in the new edition just flat out gets to make three skyhammer shots per activation, no focus required (nevermind that you still have one for free).
Holy shit

>>46903276
Note that since choir no longer can't buff to hit rolls all ranged Menoth jacks ned decent buffs to remain relevant. With effectively RAT1 you won't be directly hitting shit.

>Mk 3 not-dorf merc battle box equivalent is Magnus, a Mangler and a Rover

Bitchin

>>46904314
>no renegade
da fuq

>>46904375
That's kinda good because in Journeyman in latter weeks you could only change your warcaster to Magnus2, because only he could take Renegade.

>>46904424
Ah, makes sense

>>46899285
>assume you have 10 Trenchers that get to assault a Heavy at DEF12/ARM19.
Well, you're already making an ass out of yourself.
No heavy WJ has those stats.
You can go def 13 arm17 for a cryx slayer chassis
or def 10 arm 19 for a menoth crusader chassis.

Then once you've managed that, you might notice that trenchers have 1" range, and without being a total ass I'm sure he can get all 10 assault shots in, and up to 5 dudes making charge attacks.

try running your numbers again now.

>>46906299
I play Cygnar and Skorne. 12/19 is either the Stormclad or the Bronzeback/Gladiator.

But I guess those aren't real heavies.

>>46906358
nope neither of those are real heavies.
Now do the math with stats the only mk3 stats we're sure of.

>>46906299
>I'm sure he can get all 10 assault shots in

You know that premeasuring is a thing now right? Why are you so bad that all 10 trenchers are getting shots?

http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-04-25-2016

>>46906730
I even calculated it with 10 shots, that guy just can't read. And apparently Bronzeback/Gladiator/Stormclad/Reckoner/Dragonspawn+Tenacity are no longer heavies.

>>46906823
Knights Exemplar getting 1 inch makes sense, but Champs?
I don't see it.

>>46906865
They are big guys with long arms and big weapons .

>>46906823

>a few models with reach got bumped down to 1"

I wonder who got the nerf bat, Nyss swordsmen?

>>46906823
Why cant they just reveal some warnouns already? Getting like 3 cards is so lame.

>>46907104
Warwitch Sirens

>>46907143
In the next NQ they'll reveal rules of the new ones.

>>46902378

I've repainted the same Carnivean like 4 times now. Each time I notice an increase in my skill level I strip that bitch and start again.

>>46907143
>wm players
>give them an inch, take a chain strike

>some models have lost weapon master, some have gained it

Please please please give storm blades weapon master

>>46907547

That sucks.

>>46907547
Please give weapon master to Bane Riders.

>>46907806
Ah ha ha no

>>46907806
Please remove Banes.

>>46907547
>Please please please give storm blades weapon master
Hah, no. They're already POW15 with high-POW assault guns.

They need to gain 1" reach and have their POW bonus taken away from the stupid leader model and put directly on their weapons. Maybe another point of DEF or ARM or something so they can stop dying to a stiff breeze, but that also depends on what the Cygnar unit-buffing landscape looks like in Mk3.

>>46908336
Stormblades need defensive line.

>>46903957
pKreoss says hi.

I wonder how Deliverers and Light Artillery are in mkIII.

>>46908413
no, they just need point cost efficiency.

They're ranged attacks bring up their total cost too much. Make the ranged attack weaker and then reflect it in their cost and they'd be perfect

>>46908482
>implying pKreoss isn't getting the Sorscha treatment

>>46907316
Big fucking deal.

>>46907497
Hardly. They've given out lots of little random tidbits, but its impossible for a picture to form without any context

>>46908594
So you aren't gonna be happy until everything drops.

Given an inch and try to take a mile.

>>46908678
No, I'm not going to be happy untill a picture begins to take shape. They haven't even given an inch yet.

>>46906823
>All these Cryx players on the forums trying to defend 2" melee in Bane Knights and Raiders

>>46908871
I don't think we've seen an infantry model with 2 inch reach yet, but I'm sure it'll stay. If it does, I'm sure that models with spears will retain it, while models with non-spear two handed weapons (such as Exemplar Great Swords, and Bayonets on rifles) will be 1 inch and hand weapons will be .5

>>46907547
>>46908413
I'm expecting the different storm infantry to be better defined in a single role, likely the Stormblades for melee, Stormguard for the shooting and Silverline for defensive.

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?249774-4-25-Insider!&p=3485072&viewfull=1#post3485072

Lance rule still in the game, working as intended.

>>46909096
Stormguard for shooting? lol

>>46902378

>Magnus, a mangler, renegade and talon

Good fucking times. 10 years later, he gets a whole book dedicated to him winning, finally

>>46908811
>what is trencher and slayer melee

>>46908871
I dont see it. Its all idiots talking about Lance as if its important

>>46909979
What about it. We know nothing, and the slayer still has an awful grid

>>46910288
Lance is a pretty terrible rule, and I don't blame people for wanting to know why it continues to exist.

>>46910288
You seem to know about the slayer fine

Stop being a little bitch

>>46910310
Why is Lance a terrible rule? It makes cavalry bodacious on the charge, and kinda meh otherwise. Like cavalry should be.

>>46911247
>kinda meh otherwise

Answered your own question.

>>46911326
People can't swing lances all the time. It's a weapon that requires momentum.

>>46910683
Knowing sbout the slayer is kind of pointless without knowing, say, Mortenabra.

>>46911247
It still has wonky rules interactions that are really annoying, and it gives them so very little board presence in terms of a large base model, same deal that non-reach warjacks generally had.

The RNG0 at least fixed some of the problems with rules interactions, though at glance not all of them(unless free strike has been rewritten), but I don't understand why a 5 man unit can't simply have reach all the time. Even if they could only use it on the charge(and had a rule to fix the freestrike issue) they could at least engage whatever they don't kill.

Which is the other problem, mind. Paying that much for 5 quality attacks really hurts when they're so limited in what they can do.

>>46911464
I mostly just hope they recosted a lot of models, period. They've mentioned that a lot of things were costed in a sometimes-wonky way, so I'm hoping for a break on things like Vengers, while Bane Riders with their always-on reach, stay at a higher point cost.

>>46911338
>It's a weapon that requires momentum.
The kind of momentum you might get by striking at something whilst riding by it, perhaps?

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So is this game not going to be shit anymore? I still remember when it was an abstract version of chess, 10 years ago, before it became a glorified 40k meta.

>>46912332
I dunno. Do you intend to keep trolling no matter what we say?

>>46912332
>I still remember when it was an abstract version of chess
When it was a solved game that was almost entirely won by going first?
I too remember that time

AND TO THE SURPRISE OF NO ONE ABSYLONIA GETS HER ASS BEAT AS PROTEUS DROPS HIS SPAGHETTI EVERYWHERE*

*VENETHRAX TOWERS OVER HER BROKEN BODY AND LEANS DOWN*

VENETHRAX: I KNOW YOU CAN HEAR ME SPAWN OF THE DRAGONFATHER BEFORE I TAKE YOUR SERVANT'S LIFE I WANT YOU TO KNOW ONE THING

I AM GOING TO FUCK YOUR WAIFU

EVERBLIGHT: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

*EVERBLIGHT USES DRACONIC ENERGY ON ABSYLONIA*

*WHAT? ABSYLONIA IS EVOLVING!*

ABSYLONIA: ONII-CHAN MY HIP BONES ARE MOVING ON THEIR OWN :3

EVERBLIGHT: OH FUCK EVERYTHING

Still makes me laugh.

>>46912454
I always like to imagine that Everblight has Super Kami Gurus voice.

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>>46912454

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>>46912454
>>
>ABSYLONIA: ONII-CHAN MY HIP BONES ARE MOVING ON THEIR OWN :3
>

(pic related) my fucking sides.. every fucking time.

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>>46912443
>White always wins in chess

Nigger detected.

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>>46912530

Everblight: Kallus.

Kallus:...

Everblight: Kallus!

Kallus:...

Everblight: KALLUS!

Kallus: WHAT!

Everblight:...

Everblight: Let him kill you.

Kallus: Wha.. why?!

Everblight: KALLUS!

Kallus:...

Everblight: Are you dead yet?

Kallus: Ugh...

>>46914125
Oh god, that works way too well

>>46913713
>>White always wins in chess
>
>Nigger detected.

now now .. /pol/ is that way ------->

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What do you guys use to represent Steamroller objectives?

What have you seen used at tournaments?

I know PP sells generic objective markers but I'd to see something unique to your faction.

>>46915931
this is lovely. I might do one myself

>>46914125
I'll do one for the end of Wrath of the Dragonfather.

Haley: You know why we're here.

Everblight: Saeryn.

Blighterghast: GIVE ME THE GOD DAMN ATHANC.

Saeryn: ....

Haley: Or do what? Kill me? Toruk kicked your ass. I might be slowly dying of dragon radiation but I'm calling the shots here! We're going to make a deal!

Everblight: Saeryn!

Blighterghast: OH GOD DAMN IT WHAT DO YOU WANT NOW

Haley: I'll give you the athanc if you keep Cygnar safe from all the other dragons. Forever. Like, we don't ever have to worry about dragons ever again and finally put an end to this stupid hot potato storyline that's been going on since Forces of Cryx.

Saeryn: ....(Oh hey I got an idea.)

Everblight: SAERYN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING. GIVE ME THE ATHANC. EAT IT YOURSELF FOR ALL I CARE

Saeryn: (Holy shit hold on. I have an idea! No wonder you got stuck in Fuck Mountain all these years. I'm putting you on Ignore for a bit! I got this!)

Everblight: WAIT WHAT. SINCE WHEN COULD YOU DO THAT. SAERYN. SAERYYYYYYYYYN! HOLY SHIT WHAT ARE YOU DOING!? SAAAAERRYYYYN!

Rhyas: (Holy shit you can put him on ignore? Awesome! Wait, isn't he going to kill us now?)

Saeryn: (....)

Blighterghast: WAIT SERIOUSLY? THAT'S IT? I DON'T EVEN GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ALL OF YOU. SURE, OKAY.

>>46917205
that's the end? or is there a little bit more?
Dayum dat seacat sure knows how to make a cliffhanger...

>>46917205
Cygnar confirmed for third dragon faction.

>>46912443
I think your thinking of naughts and crosses.

How statistically more chess games are won by black lol.

Anyway, looking forward to MKIII, dear god I hope they make skorne competitive again.

>>46917205

Saeryn: ...Speaking of wrapping up storylines! One more thing we need you to agree on!

Blighterghast: OH HOLY HELL WHAT NOW. I SHOULD'VE TOASTED KRUEGER THE SECOND HE PAID ME A VISIT.

Saeryn: About that whole "Getting together to hunt us and Everblight down" thing you got going on. Because we're going to give you such a big, juicy athanc, we cool now? <3

Blighterghast: FUCK YOU. FUCK EVERBLIGHT. FUCK THE MOUNTAIN HE CRAWLED OUT OF.

Saeryn: I guess Toruk can have his athanc after all.

Haley: Yep.

Rhyas: Uh-huh.

Saeryn: Yeah, too bad. He's going to eat all of you now. All you had to do was swallow a little-

Blighterghast: WE COOL NOW.

Rhyas: I'm impressed, but Everblight's still going to want to kill us.

Saeryn: He'll get over it. He's just being a Madrak Ironhide right now because he didn't get his way.

Rhyas: What're we going to do until then?

Sareyn: Fuck if I know. Let's go have some fun until this whole stupid mess boils over.

Blaize: We're really going to let them go?

Haley: You're more than welcome to try and stop them yourself. You don't even have a working power field.

Blaize: All's well that ends well!

Haley: And everyone lived happily ever after. Except a whole mountain town full of dwarves and Cygnarans. And an entire train's worth of soldiers.

>>46908871
Bane knights do have spear/halberd things, so they are amongst the candidates to retain 2" melee range.

Note that Bane thralls have 2 handed axes, which makes them a candidate for 1" melee range.

Mechanithralls however use their fists, so are likely to stay at 0.5"

Also back to the battlebox, each contains 30 pts of WJ.
we know the slayer costs 10
so it is likely that the Reaper costs 12 and the deathripper costs 8
So yes, that means SPD 7, DEF15 arc nodes for 4pts are still a thing.

>Chin up guise, Cryx will continue to be OP in Mk3 !!

>>46917415
Unless the costs dont all add up to 30 and cryx is 36 as rumored

>>46911247
>boadacious ?
are you sure? because I've charged things with vengers (before K3 though) and their blessed pow16 lances didn't do shit.
atm they aren't even assured to remove a single heavy infantry model.
>one medium pow swing per dude just isn't worth it.

>>46917434
[citation needed]

>>46917473
I did say rumored you tard.

Assuming their all 30 also needs evidence

>>46917302
Wait so...servants of everblight...like mind slaves with and actual piece of everblight in them...
They willingly give another dragon (that doesn't like them) an athanc to make it more powerful ?

and then everybody just walks out of the room and goes their own way?

>all of my spaghetti.gif

>>46917482
[neckbeard nerdrage intensifies]

>>46917500
Saeryn and Rhyas are twins, and that means something huge in the Warmahordes setting.

Haley and Denny are both likely two of the most purely powerful warcasters in the setting right now, and there's a big ass reason why Cryx specifically went after them.

And Morrow and Thamar were twins before they ascended as gods.

Seriously though, a big part of the Warmahordes background is that twins are a huge fucking deal, and that's why Saeryn and Rhyas have managed to keep their individuality.

>>46917536
which is just because Matt is a twin

>>46917245

had to be a bit of one for

>2 YEARS LATER...

>>46917302
>He's just being a Madrak Ironhide right now

This will never get old.

>>46917500
I believe they gave the athanc to Blighterghast so that Toruk won't have it. He already ate Charsaug so eating a second dragon would make him totally unstoppable. No one wants unstoppable Toruk.

Trying to piece my way through lore since about Wrath time period. It's freaking hard since it's strewn across books that don't have number labeling and likely side stories.

Any able to help me connect the plot dots so I know what to read? I'm most interesting in Magnus, Vinter, Damiano, Kharchev. As well as any major events. That last story with Kreoss and Damiano was interesting and I'm curious if it just ends there.

The Magnus Vinter story is clearly going to be important yet it's so bits and pieces.

>>46918062
In the middle of Colossals. Answered my own question about Damiano/Kreoss. Confused as fuck as to the condition of Haley and Nemo. When did they get attacked?

>>46917559
Well, that might have played a part, but twins have always had a mystical thing, even IRL twins were/are considered omens and psychic link and all that.
So really twins having magical bond isn't especially author insert masturbation.

>>46917786
What about an unstoppable everblight?
This could have been his second athanc nomming.
He would have become crazy powerful.

>>46917771
I don't get it. pls explain

>>46918362
Read the rest of the Abridged Fiction. It's in the OP.

>Agonizer becoming a lesser beast
>eMorghoul getting his old feat back
>Heavy infantry losing boxes

So far Skorne are getting shit on purely because they aren't getting buffs.

>>46919176
How is the second one not a good thing?

>>46919257
A bad warlock getting a buff just brings him in line with the rest of the mediocre warlocks in the faction.

>>46919277
Because nothing but his feat could change in a game wide rebalancing.

>>46918236
IIRC there was something about that in the book. I think it was that the Everblight would be too weak to devour this anthanc since it was so much more powerful than the first one or something like that.

>>46919176

>Oh noes, I must change my way of playing

Get over it, it will happen to almost every faction.

>>46919277
You realize that mkI eMorghoul was OP as shit, right? Blind can be shaken, but it's still a helluvan opportunity for your army to grind the other one down. It's a pDenny-tier feat, which makes it really good. Especially if they bumped Morg's fury like a lot of people wanted.

>>46920351
Not quite. Thagrosh was weakened heavily during the process of consuming the last athanc they got their hands on. Saeryn mused that the new one was larger and appeared stronger, and that she herself would probably have been unable to consume it as Thagrosh had. It was her sliver not being great enough, not Everblights overall athanc that is primarily within Thagrosh.

>>46920627
>It's a pDenny-tier feat

Does this mean pDenny might avoid the giant nerfbat every non-Cryx player in the world has been itching to beat her with?

>>46921053
pDenny's feat is compounded by the fact that she's got one of the best spell lists in the game. Something about her is going to get toned down, we can be pretty sure about that.

>>46920627
It'd have been Haley2 with a much lower area of effect. Getting it back for Mk3 is just cancelling out an unwarranted nerf he's been stuck with for years and years that damn near chased him off he table until recently.

PP made some really bad predictions about value in mk2; whatever algorithm they originally used for Combined Ranged Attack probably hurt the most units.

Potential noob here; would I be more of an ass to start with Menoth or Cryx as my first army?

>>46921146

That depends anon, do you hate yourself or do you hate your opponent?

>>46921156
A little of both?

>>46921171

Flip a coin. Cryx probably won't be the Great Offender in a few weeks anyway, and Menoth will run more jacks better.

>>46921188
Ooh, that's a plus for Menoth, I guess. I really like some of their jacks + vassals and stuff. Thanks, anon.

Btw, are there any guides for the paint schemes? Not as many tutorials as Warhammer

>>46921239
The faction book has some tips, as do most of the update books.

>>46920352
True.

Skorne are, however, already the LEAST competitive faction (not including minions).

So some fucking buffs would be nice.

>>46921415
I'd argue Khador is worse off.

Skorne have been getting options in the last year, options that should transition.

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So umm Heavy kits taking a spike in price??

I don't remeber protus costing this much! or any heavy..

>>46922828


Regular heavy kits are hovering around $35

The new proteus is about the same size as the extreme carnivean

>>46923134
>The new proteus is about the same size as the extreme carnivean
being the most likely explanation. That fact that it's a character means they won't be selling multiples of it like a regular jack kit and thus it's that much harder to make up the cost of the mold probably helps too.

>>46921415

So despite all the podcasts, all the feedback and all the news on variable media, is their anything pointing in the direction that privateer press isn't doing their best to re-balance the game completely?

You know, some of you guys are just plain retards if you think that they will release mrk3 as a GW joke and a "lulz, whats play testing?" on their lips.
They have stated that they have used 6 years of feedback from community, play tested each and every unit individually, and calculated points there after. That each and every unit have been compared both across factions and compared with the units in its own book. They have all agreed to "fix" the infantry spam problem that has ravaged the game from its initial design.
They have done all this, and all you guys think about is "oh noes, I cant play the list I used to, I'm sure everything will suck!". How about we hope that everything will be a great deal more balanced now than ever before. All factions will suffer the effect of a different play style, Warmachine players most of all (as you now will HAVE to have a lot more Warmachines, as the game developers intended to). Horde players must also succumb to the changes, there wont be no more MHSF that is clearly superior in terms of infantry for Rets, there wont be no more "Bane Thralls do everything so no use to pick knights" and so on.

My hopes for mrk3 is that we have a greater option than ever when we select our army. That everything is a viable choice, and that we can (with the right caster) create wicked synergy across the board.

>>46923693
I can run more warjacks
I can live my steam punk fighting mecha robots battle royal fantasy
>mk3 WHEN!

>>46923982

I have a friend who, for the full duration of mrk2 has been loosing fights because he loved the idea of huge fucking Warmachines on the table. He loved them so much that he sacrificed infantry for bringing more jacks! He will have the time of his life when the new ed comes.
The rest of us will simply learn to adapt.

>>46923693

>they will release mrk3 as a GW joke and a "lulz, whats play testing?" on their lips.

I don't really think this is entirely fair to GW since, despite the new problems they may have introduced, they did attempt to rectify complaints people had about previous editions. For example, vehicles not being as stupidly sturdy as they were in 5th Edition due to the introduction of hull points.

In a way I think it's each side knowing where their strengths lie. GW knows that a good number of people primarily play their games for the models and lore. PP knows that a good number of people play their games for the rules.

>>46898702
Let's hope we can still play infantry, and infantry still can counter 'jacks. I don't want to see "jack spam" meta. Or "you need to buy colossal to counter colossal".

>>46924105
I love infantry Kreoss2 Cos is my favorite list.
But I got into War machine for big meaty ROBOTS.

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>>46923693
>Bane Thralls do everything so no use to pick knights
Was not quite so. There was BK spam. There was no BT spam (aside from one relatively rare theme).

> That everything is a viable choice, and that we can (with the right caster) create wicked synergy across the board.
But you'll complain if infantry spam will be a viable choice (with the right caster), wouldn't you?

Today's insider is ikrpg. Waste of time for wmh spoilers.

>>46925657
Eh, not everything PP does is about WM/H.
However to say that it doesn't contain any info about Hordes is a bit silly, as I believe this is the first time we've seen the Conjoined twin Croaks. It's probably only a matter of time before we get one as a solo or a warlock, and actually knowing what they look like is kind of nice.

It's nothing solid, but it's something.

Hay been away for a while. So what is happening in mark 3? I heard that infantry is being hit with a nerf hammer cause they want the game more small scale with mostly jacks and warbeasts. Is this true?

>>46926185
Yes and No. Everything is being rebalanced to make more options viable for specific roles. Warjack/beast points are being increased to around 30 on average to promote use of more of those models and they have been buffed accordingly to make them more useful.

>>46902378
Exemplar Errants.

>>46902378
Crusader OG battle Box Edition
but now the CASTIGATOR is in.. :/

So anyone have any good tutorials on painting legion skin like the studio scheme? Even better videos?

How reproduce the satyxis?

>>46922828
>>46922967
Character kits have always cost more. Just look at mulg's price versus the the troll multi kit. The difference is Proteus was an upgrade kit before and so it only cost the price of the multi kit + the upgrade kit. This is a brand new stand alone kit.

>>46926979
Forces of Legion definitely has a guide on that.

>>46927083
Sexual intercourse with male humans. If the child is male, the child and father are killed. If the child is female, the father is rewarded with riches.

>>46917415
There's no reason to assume all are 30. Not all of the original battlebox casters had the same points either. All we know is the boxes are a net of 0.

>>46925657

They're probably trying to avoid releasing so much that people wonder why they bothered waiting until June 12th to release the rulebooks.

>>46927837
aren't they releasing them at Lock and Load?

>>46927898
Which is june 12th.

>>46927110
>the father is rewarded with riches.
That was actually ret-conned, as I remember. They just have sex with the dad and leave (or kill him, because hey they're evil). If the baby is a boy, they kill it, if it's a girl, then whatever.

>>46902378
1st Model's I finished pain ting for Warmahordes was the Magnus battlebox.

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>why are they 20$

>>46928551
They're passing the entire cost of mk 3 development onto the consumer through faction decks and war room

>>46928551
thats a big box

>>46928703
say that to my face and not online and see what happens

>>46928551
Why is that handler whipping the box, though?

>>46928741
Because that is somebody's fetish.

>>46928741
it's a naughty box ;)

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>>46928703
>thats a big box
FOR YOU

>>46917285
>How statistically more chess games are won by black lol.

At what level of play? At master level, black plays for a draw.

For intermediate players where the Sicilian defense is easier to play than an offense to counter it, maybe. But white has the decided advantage.

>>46926257
OK sounds neat! Thanks. But are infantry getting a point increase all around?

>>46929594
No one knows there has been a total of 4 cards spoiled and only 1 of them was an infantry unit

>>46929669
Ah I see. Well we will just have to wait, hope, and see

So a lot of the new Field Allowance spoiled for units has been FA:U. With points decreases seemingly across the board with more efficient, FA:U jacks, are you guys worried about spam?

>>46929952
Jacks being less of a liability for your list doesn't mean they will be good enough to spam.
If you mean spam as in 60+ Trenchers, yeah, I can imagine that,

>>46929952
>are you guys worried about spam?
Why not just let people play what they want to play

>>46929952
Considering we have no idea what most of the rules do I think it's a little early to worry about anything

Also this: >>46930001

>>46929952
Yes, desu.

Will Hungerford on the Gun Mage Captain Adept in MK3
"You won't be disappointed - this guy is beastmode"

>>46930162
Oh good, more Gun Mage shit. Just what we all wanted.

>>46930206
They did say year of the gun mage.

>>46930222
If you play Skorne you've sat through year of the gunmage for the past 7 years. Sucks to be them.

Still, it would be nice to see the GMCA not be a piece of shit.

>>46930206

I vaguely recall someone from PP saying the Gun Mage was an iconic thing, so it's no surprise they're trying to push it.

>>46930440
I'm curious as to their fate in Mercs, since they're not partisans.

>>46930162
Gun mages are already the best unit in the game, bar McThrall+Surgeon, its not like they needed more buffs in addition to pre measuring

>>46930469
GMCA isn't worth 2 points.

>>46930491
At present, he's barely worth 1.

>>46930469
They're going to be real nuisances with premeasuring, but so long as PP puts some actual effort into scenario play where everything isn't king of the hill, gun mages may not be as disgusting as they presently are.

>>46930462
They'll either be a part of the new Highborn tier list, or this new unit of Thorn Gun Mages will take their place in mercs

>>46930469
Honestly, Raiders +UA would be one of the best units in the game.

>>46930817
Yes, one of the best. Although, I personally perfer Blood Witches+ Hag. I still think Gun Mages are better.

>>46930571
The scenario pack is pretty much the same

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I know it wasn't feasible for the new Battle Boxes, but the details on the models within them are I think a strong argument for why PP should really get off the PVC plastic train.

>>46931111
I thought they were moving to hard plastic/sprue. But the new battle boxes are going to be the same material as the old ones, and the details were fine enough on them - I think your picture just looks bad because of the colored plastic makes it look less detailed/blobby

Are crossover questions allowed?

>>46931228
What do you mean by 'crossover questions'?

>>46931200

They are moving to hard plastic, but so far it just seems for bigger stuff.

I don't think the color helps, but the detail doesn't feel as crisp either. Maybe it's a result of mostly looking at GW or FW if I bother to look at sprues/bare models.

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>>46931111
>all these mold lines

>>46931259
Whether Sigmar (church) and Morrow (church) would like each other.

>>46921415
>So some fucking buffs would be nice.

Molik Karn is holding the faction back. Any buff spells or more models have to made with him in mind.

The biggest thing Skorne players can hope for is that Molik gets kneecapped in Mk3 so the rest of the faction has a chance to breathe.

>>46931403
>tfw I'm hoping that about the Earthbreaker and Galleon

>>46931403
Molik is going to be a 1 inch melee, almost certainly. And that'll help.

>>46931494
I dunno, Zuriel is 2 inch melee and his swords are about the same size.

>>46931511
Do you have a source on zuriel being 2 inch in mk3?

>>46931111
Got rules to go along with that pic?

>>46931443
yeah except the Galleon is cool as shit.

I'm thinking I'll hop on the hype train and snag a battlebox. Issue is, I dunno which faction to choose. I'm torn between Cygnar, Cryx, and Skorne. I know you're going to tell me to wait, but I just want the BB and nothing else for now.

>>46931619
Yeah it is. And I like mine. But it overshadows all the other merc jacks.

>>46931614
It's just a pic that's floating around the net, anon didn't take the picture.

>>46931619
All the merc jacks are cool as shit, ideally people will have more reason to take the rest soon.

>>46931717
Yeah, they really needed to rework the Merc jacks, more than toning down the Galleon and Earthbreaker. None of them can crack armor for shit except with certain casters, and of those only Gorten liked taking jacks. Pow 17 is suffering.

I think the pirate jacks need help more than most. The mariner and freebooter need a total revamp.

I really wan to see them spoil gun bunny stats

>>46930001
9 juggernauts. Hoo boy this is gonna be great.

>>46931200
>>46931313
PP haven't announced a lot of "we're changing to X material guys!" like some other companies do every other year. There are trends that we can see however.

Warjack kits are becoming hard plastic on the sprue. Cygnar has one, Khador has one, Khador and Cryx have both had others announced and previewed. Cryx and Convergence Colossals have also been previewed for this material, and moving forward it looks like all warjack and colossal kits are going to be sprue kits.

Character jacks and blisters are primarily metal, except when pieces are large and would be expensive when they are instead cast in resin with metal details.

PVC is still used for starter kits and existing stuff, so far Hordes hasn't seen any sprue plastic kits, this could be because the organic nature would look blocky and flat, or it's just too early to tell. The starter boxes are moving to coloured PVC for people to easily identify their models on the table when doing unpainted starter games.

>>46931942

>and now Warjacks do sustained performance heavy spam better than hordes, and they're keeping their stat offsets in the bargain.

7 Gladiators... probably not going to cut it. Two bronzebacks, four gladiators, and beast handlers, maybe. If they still give out Rush. Don't get alpha'd.

>totally going to get alpha'd

>>46931942
>Karchev spam might be viable soon
Yesssss...

>>46929995
>If you mean spam as in 60+ Trenchers, yeah, I can imagine that,
The most you could get into a list at 75pts is 47 (if WAs are 2pts), which uses up 74 points. Sure you can do it, but you'll probably get fucking smashed because your entire list is POW11s aside from your 2 heavies + 1 light (if the heavies were cheap).

>>46931770

Really, if they kept the Gallion/Earthbreaker the same but upped their cost to compensate, they might be fine.

>>46931770

That's why galleon and earthbreaker are used so much is because they're the only reliable option for breaking armor. Even dorf heavies aren't all that great at it and earthbreaker can do it from fucking range with a tune up

>>46934107
a huge part of the earthbreakers power comes from tune up. the beating thor is sure to get is going to weaken it a whole lot even if it doesnt get any other changes

Since we're on the subject of Merc jacks I've got high hopes for Magnus1 in Mk3. If they don't fuck with his kit too much he's exactly the type of caster that benefits the most from Power Up and increase jack points. Plus, being able to take 2-3 heavies without fucking up your list means his feat will actually do something for once.

>>46934274
Now that I think about it Mags2 benefits pretty strongly too. The problem with both versions is that he never had enough fucking focus to do what he needed to do.

Especially for Mags2 his Renegades and bonded Heavy getting free focus is huge, he no longer has to choose between doing work or camping enough to not get shot like a bitch when he moves forward to pop feat.

>>46934585
Yea, all this free focus is gonna do wonders for these jack casters like Magnus and Amon, who do great stuff but have just never had the focus to do enough

>>46934166
hopefully Tune Up is changed to be non-colossal warjack

>>46934722
Or says boosted and not additional.

>>46935051
pretty sure it's boosted already

>>46935066
Totally right, I'm thinking of combining Thor + Breaker + Madhammer.

>>46931111
Oh fuck that plastic is so fucking ugly and cheap.

>>46935233
Yeah, that looks like like the plastic you'd get from those little green/tan army men. But actually maybe a tad worse.

>>46935233
It's the same plastic as they currently use. It just looks ugly since that one has terrible mold lines and it's dyed.

>>46935288
The colored plastic was probably a mistake.

If I concentrate hard enough on the details it's not any worse than current battlebox models, but fuck the color makes it hard on the eyes.

>>46935600
Well how about you fucking paint it then

>>46935288

Yeah, looking at the Ironclad I could tell it's the same as the one I bought two or three years ago. The color just makes the faults more apparent.

>>46935620
No shit sherlock. You should run for president or something with that level of problem-solving ability.

The point is that the initial reaction to seeing those models is wondering why someone dyed a turd blue and gave it arms and a sword. All dying the plastic accomplished was making the unpainted model look even worse.

>>46935673
I'd rather look at those colored models across the table than grey plastic.

Many people don't paint their models, and you know that.

>>46935600
I personally think that the model itself was a mistake. I mean, her sword is a frikkin transforming gun, and they made her just stand there. It could have been so much better. She's one of the worst looking casters of the bunch.

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>>46936169

That's a good point

>>46936251
Dat Pistol Grip!

>>46934166
As a merc player I have to admit that Thor is due for a beating. Even before Colossals he's strong as hell. Only JM thats great with any jack he can run.

I'm expecting something of an overhaul to Jack Marshals though. So depending on how much they change it baseline Thor may not lose as much as we expect. Still he's one of the strongest merc solos in MK2.

>>46931770
>Pow 17 is suffering

Damn right it is. And mercs lack reliable / non-assassinatable boosters. Well outside Cephalyx whom are a bit of their own thing and punch armor just fine. Still Choir or Agitators show what some jack damage boosters can be like.

>>46936379

I like the grip too

>>46936169
Here's hoping the alt model will be better.

They've said all the BB casters are getting a single-blister metal version that's a different sculpt.

>>46902378
>Mauler

One of my favorite feelings in the game is chain-attackinng into a 2-handed throw on a jack or beast and dropping it on the enemy caster's head.

>>46898702
exigence: hordes same link??

i thought there were 3 abridgeds

>>46920627
It'd be great if we got the ability to spew out a small chunk of terrain. Morghoul jumping on a soapbox to get LOS of everything then throwing Blackout would be sweet.

>>46931403
>The biggest thing Skorne players can hope for is that Molik gets kneecapped in Mk3 so the rest of the faction has a chance to breathe
You sound like Wizards of the Coast believing that banning Splinter Twin will magically make other blue decks viable. Molik Karn gets so much use because how else can Skorne win?

>>46936716
I mean, Skorne's problems are pretty god damn easy to identify.

People have known about them for years.

>>46935775
I will never understand who would want to play a mini wargame and not paint their fucking models. It's like showing up at the FLGS wearing sweatpants, a wife beater, and crocs. At least fucking bother to look good. Even if you just slap a basecoat and some details on you at least tried.

>>46936624
reckoning abridged lore is the one missing.

anyone have a link to that one?

>>46936950
And I've never understood why people make such a big deal about painting.

The models play exactly the fucking same paint or no paint, so what the fuck does it matter?

>>46936950

not me, but some people look at it like "you don't need to paint chess pieces"

>>46937107
http://pastebin.com/KxkzfnXj

That's Devastation.

>>46937237
thanks!

>>46936950
Some people just like playing the game and don't enjoy painting or don't have the time to devote to painting.

>>46936716
With new shit being released on a consistent basis the new releases have to be balanced with what's already out there.

For example, a spell like Carnivore (+2 to hit) would probably never come to Skorne as long as Molik remains as is.

Warmahordes is a game about synergy and stuff working off of each other. If you have one model that's an 11 on a power scale of 1-10 then stuff isn't going to come out that can buff an already nuts model.

Splinter Twin being banned in Modern opens up design space. Otherwise they'd have to weigh that in with every creature they release. It doesn't instantly make all other current blue decks viable. It allows for others to come about after future releases

You obviously know jack-shit about game balancing.

>>46937206
It's for the exact same reason people enjoy having a color TV. You can still see and hear the TV just fine if it's in black and white but having it in color provides an objectively superior experience.

>>46937894
>objectively

And this is where you failed.

>>46937931
Then find a case where a properly functioning color television, or properly painted models, are inferior to black-and-white/unpainted. Go on, I'll wait.

>>46937997
Not everyone can properly paint.

One local guy has every model painted, but they look like he used neon colored house paint. Everything is an indecipherable blob.

>>46937997
You can wait forever then.

How about you, as you're making the claim, find me an example of a properly painted model being objectively superior to an unpainted one in terms of playing the game.

In fact, how about you show me an example of how a properly painted model, solely in the realm of the game, is objectively superior to an empty base with the model's name clearly and easily labeled on it.

>>46938046
Not him, but front arcs

>>46938081
Sidestepping the issue. Making arcs has nothing to do with painting. You can have an unpainted model or an empty base with marked front arcs and it wouldn't count as painted.

>>46938129
Ok then, you can play in tournaments with a "everything needs to be painted" - rule.

A friend of mine had to paint nearly 2 50 points list in a week.

>>46938046
EASYMODE: It's easier to differentiate individual models and units when they're painted.

>>46938039
>Not everyone can properly paint.
Lies. Fucking lies.

I've seen super-retards paint properly given enough time and determination and less than five minutes of amateur instruction. Anyone can paint properly, some people just choose not to and that's their problem.

>>46938046
Unpainted models look ugly. Painted models look less ugly, as long as the person painting them passed elementary school art class, and if they didn't they should be subtly ridiculed until they git gud.

Most models can be painted to basic tabletop quality in 4 steps: Prime, basecoat, single layer, wash. Anyone who cannot accomplish this isn't trying hard enough.

Sure you can say "well some people think unpainted models look better", the same way you could say "well some people think a dog turd is a better work of art than the Mona Lisa", and you might not even be technically wrong, but you're still being a disingenuous fart-huffer.

>>46938289
I can also say "Some people don't give a shit." and be perfectly valid.

Also, nothing you said had anything to do with my statement, which is "playing the game." Your sense of aesthetics has absolutely nothing to do with the way the game plays, only your reaction to it.

>>46938140
Must we be like this? If you require me to be more specific, how about "In a casual game, with models already on the table, and both players willing to play."

>>46938239
Colored arc markers achieves the same effect with far less wasted time.

>>46938391
>playing the game
Games exist to have fun. Painted models bring some people more fun, and detract from nobody's fun. Objectively better, QED.

>>46938391
There is Vassal for people like you, you know?

>>46938408
Except that I fucking hate painting models, and it actively makes my enjoyment of the game worse.

Everyone harped on about how nice it would feel having painted stuff on the table, but in the end, I just looked at it and said "Man, that was a huge waste of time. Never doing that again."

>>46938425
You do realize wargames are a social thing as well, right? Or do you just put your models on the table and refuse to talk to your opponent?

>>46938391
>I can also say "Some people don't give a shit." and be perfectly valid.
Non-argument, you not caring doesn't change the fact that painted models are quantifiably superior to unpainted ones.

Here's another reason painted models are better: It's easier to draw people's interest in the game if they see painted models instead of a giant mass of bare plastic and pewter, and new players are required for the game's survival.

>>46938433
>Except that I fucking hate painting models
Then pay someone to paint them, you can find affordable painters in any city larger than Bumfucknowhere.

And before you say "b-but that's expansive!", the game is expensive, by your logic cardboard cutouts are better than actual models because they're cheaper and don't require you to assemble them.

>>46938438
Except that you've failed to prove that painted models are superior in any objective way, with your only responses amounting to "Well, I like them better that way."

Provide me an objective way that painted models are better, with no substitutes, in the act of playing the game. No "Well it makes it more enjoyable" or "Well, other people like to look at them."

Hard data that shows the objective benefit of painted models in the act of playing the game.

>>46938433
>Except that I fucking hate painting models, and it actively makes my enjoyment of the game worse.
Yeah, lets just play with empty bases with the unit name written on the front while we're at it! Assembling is a pain in the ass!

>>46938448
Why would I spend money because some other asshole insists, incorrectly, that painted models are better?

Why should I have to shoulder extra expenses to play the game, when there's no benefit to myself for doing so?

And I started wargames playing battletech, man. I used nickles and quarters.

>>46938461
If fucking only I could get away with that. My army bag would be a fucking plastic baggie and it would be incredible.

>>46938476
You are the type of person who would enjoy prepackage board games more than wargames, I recommend you go play those, they're more up your alley. You shouldn't force yourself to engage in hobbies you don't enjoy, it clearly angers you and is detracting from other people's enjoyment of the game, they're just too polite to tell you.

Though they've certainly hinted at it, or else
>Everyone harped on about how nice it would feel having painted stuff on the table
wouldn't have happened. That is code for "Jesus Christ you scrub, I'm sick of staring at your ugly ass plastic models for two hours every game day".

>>46936251
Yeah if her model was in that pose I'd be all over it. Well, here's hoping for the metal version. Unfortunately it seems like it'll be "quite some time" before they'll be available.

>>46938494
Except I do enjoy the hobby. The game portion of it. And the social aspect of it, of course.

And no, I got that shit from the internet, that dogged insistence that all things must be enjoyed only their way.

No, the people I play with, for the most part, do not care about how others enjoy the hobby. Some of us play with a more competitive bent, with little care for the hobby aspect, while others are interested in the painting and modeling side of the game.

>>46938453
>Except that you've failed to prove that painted models are superior in any objective way
Except I actual have, you just refuse to acknowledge it because you're being defensive and thinking with your ego instead of your head.

>It's easier to draw people's interest in the game if they see painted models instead of a giant mass of bare plastic and pewter, and new players are required for the game's survival.
>Painted models bring some people more fun, and detract from nobody's fun.
(The painted models don't detract from your fun, the act of painting does, which can be bypassed. You being a lazy shit doesn't change facts)
>Unpainted models look ugly. Painted models look less ugly
(Unarguable except with disingenuous opinion statements, color > no color on anything intended to be colored)
>It's easier to differentiate individual models and units when they're painted.
(Just because other ways exist to do this doesn't remove it as a clear benefit of having painted models)

I know you really want to win the internet argument, but people like you actively hurt the hobby. At least have the decency to keep it to yourself.

>>46938518
Unpainted models tell me the player doesn't really give a shit. It's like going to a job interview in a wrinkly t-shirt, or showing up to a customer service related job with two days of scraggly beard. It's tacky and sends a bad image to people who might be deciding whether to play your game or a different game.

>>46938518
>>46938522
In my opinion, a big part of the hobby, and it is a HOBBY, is the assembling, modification and painting of models. I get that not everyone enjoys all parts, I've met many people who really enjoy one or the other, but it is part of it. And you can tell who really gives a shit when you see their stuff across the table.

>>46938522
>(The painted models don't detract from your fun, the act of painting does, which can be bypassed. You being a lazy shit doesn't change facts)
I'm not giving anyone else shit about painting their stuff, if that's what you mean.

If you've got a painted army, nice. If you worked really hard on it, that's sweet, and I'm not being sarcastic. It's something that requires effort and practice, and it's good that you enjoy it.

I don't, so what business is it of yours?

>(Unarguable except with disingenuous opinion statements, color > no color on anything intended to be colored)

We come back to "Why does it matter?" Once again, provide me a reason, beyond aesthetics, for me to care.

>(Just because other ways exist to do this doesn't remove it as a clear benefit of having painted models)
Except that those other ways are just as good, and thus equal, to having painted models. So an unpainted model can fit all the criteria put forth, and is thus equal.

And again, I didn't start this argument. Some asshole decided he wanted to talk about how people who don't paint are terrible people, and how he is incapable of understanding them.

And that's the thing: You're the kind of people hurting the hobby. Warmachine is generally regarded as a competitive and well balanced game, and some people get into it for that element of competition Why are they lesser people if their interests lie in that regard instead of the hobby aspect?

>>46938552
All it shows is that I don't care about painting, nothing more. And if people walk over and ask painting and hobby questions, I'm more than happy to direct them to the people who enjoy that, and more than happy to be truthful about my painting habits if asked.(Generally I just tell them I hate doing it).

>>46938576
It's also a game, with quite a few competitive events and general regard as being one of the better balanced wargames out there.

>>46931111
Play like you've got a pair, or put down the metal and go find something plastic.

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Looking into finally getting into warmahordes, love the models for the Everblight Legion, reminds me a lot of my all time fave game
> Pic Related
Was wondering, are they fun to play both as and against?

>>46931681
Getting a Cryx Battlegroup now would be a good idea, because then you don't need to buy additional arc nodes during Mk3 (the new box has only one arc node), you'll get a great warcaster who's unlikely to be bad even in Mk3 and you'll get an extra Slayer, which we know to be good in Mk3.

>>46936577
>my brother
I do the same thing with my kodiaks whenever I run them. I love that aspect of this game and I'm really looking forward to the balls out craziness of Jack wrasslin en masse.

>>46938659

Depends on your list. Games against Legion can feel refreshing because they got quite unique play style.

However, if you solely insist playing things like Lylyth2 + million ravagores or Vayl2 + fifteen extra points, opponents will start to feel a bit sour.

>>46938518
>vieled "having a painted army means your a casual"

Because paintedbess and skill are mutually exclusive, idiot

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>>46938595
The people that have unpainted armies year after year are people with little to no investments in a faction aside from buying the models.

I use non painted armies as a shorthand for "I don't care enough to bother painting, I only care enough to win" and occasionally "I don't want to spend time painting models that may not give me an easy win".

In both these cases the player values the game/winning more than anything else and will most likely disregard the thematic nature of the game. They will be more likely to faction hop for advantages since a primed army fetches more than a painted army. They will more likely only play power casters since their only emotional connection to the game is if they win or not.

While the existence of these players is fine, I will do my best to avoid playing them as tactfully as possible. It brings me out of the theme of the game and into the meat grinder of list optimization and attempting to win before the game starts(hurdur balance). I don't play this game purely for the game, I play it for the models and the theme the models provide the solid game is a huge bonus.

To the primer only folk, I usually ask them to play a Boardgame instead. Mainly to see if I can get them a game more their style. It usually works and we can both have fun on a more equal level.

Then again it may me just jaded that people go into a minis game for a balance that isn't really there.

>>46938518
translates to: I'm not good enough to play online video games, because I suck balls at real time strategy, because I'm a giant faggot.
So I play miniatures games instead, but only if I can win.
Painting and modelling are too time consuming and difficult, and I don't have any skills.

I heard someone mention a Deathjack resculpt,is it out?Barring that,from where is this info?

>>46940290
I like to build models, which take takes a fraction of the time to paint them. Especially when it comes to painting ~12 of the same thing. I've painted all my 'casters and the jacks that I use the most but all of my larger units are unpainted sans the officer/leader. As a college student I don't have to sit there and paint +12 models when I can build them and then just play. I love the game, the fluff, and the models, but I don't have time.

I don't understand why you're being such an elitest about this. Some people have more time, resources, and money to dedicate to one of their hobbies like this, a vast majority do not. Many people are casual players, which is what PP are striving to get because casual players are the backbone of business. The hard-/core players are the backbone of the tournament scenes sure, but they cannot hold up all of PP. Look at GW if you want some examples.

If PP cared that much about having the models painted they would force you to paint them studio format, very well, and bar anyone who doesn't meet any of these from buying anything other than a BB and/or playing in any stores that has their product. But they don't, because they don't have a stick up their ass like you do.

Dude, be glad that people are enjoying the game, that it's being played, and that the community doesn't hate the devs.

>>46938595
Well, painting and modelling is an integral part of the game.
Tournaments are the tacked on part (you might want to check your rulebook: it contains modelling and painting, but no mention of tournaments)
There's nothing wrong with tournaments, there's nothing wrong with wanting to git gud.
A painter can aspire to these things.

But someone who ignores the painting and modelling aspect of the game should leave now, because this isn't a game for you.
If you just want to win via game mechanics, then there are plenty of CCGs and video games (as anon mentioned above) out there.

If however painting is difficult and time consuming but you are prepared to put in the effort and git gud, then the awesome community will welcome you with open arms.
Otherwise, just fuck of and die in a ditch you dirty pleb.

>>46940519
>,is it out?

No, but the Thunderhead was redone a while back and CAD images of the Avatar of Menoth and Behemoth have been seen, so it's very likely that the Deathjack will eventually get a resculpt as well.

>>46940519
I haven't heard that, but does he need a resculpt? Or is it more in the vein of a transition from metal to resin? His model doesn't have anything icky about it imho.

>>46938239
/thread

>>46940538
>>46940544
Does anyone have the pic of the Behemoth and AoM?
As for the model,it's definitely not bad,but I could see how it could be improved,a la the extreme models,or making it closer to concept art(albeit that could be a paintjob thing).

Menoth = Judaism
Morrow = Christianity

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>>46940625
Behemoth

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>>46940658
>>46940625
And the Avatar. Really looking forwards to seeing what they do with the Deathjack.

>>46940669
>>46940658
Thank you!Looking pretty crisp,if DJ gets equal treatment it's all good.

>>46940642
I'd say more like old testament and new,but that's not far off.

>>46940669

Oh hey, he's traded up from the Dagger.

I'm really hoping the give the Avatar and Deathjack a bit of a boost (In both effect and cost).

It's honestly the largest annoyance I had when Colossals came out. That they sorta took the 'Top dog' roles away from the literal avatar of a god and one of the most long-running boogiemen of the Iron Kingdoms setting.

>>46940736
I agree,especially with the Deathjack.
Making it closer to it's d20 stats would be really cool,with the whole toxic aura thingy.
Also,it seems really weird that these uber character jacks aren't mass produced,especially with colossals around.(same with some character warbeasts,like everblight)

>>46940792
>these uber character jacks aren't mass produced

Deathjack and the Avatar are genuinely unique creations that can't just be rattled off a production line. My understanding is that Thunderhead and Behemoth aren't cost-effective enough to mass-produce. Cygnar and Khador would rather have a Colossal or three Ironclads/Juggernauts than another Thunderhead or Behemoth. They're more like extremely powerful prototypes that, having proved their concept is sound, be simplified and mass-produced in the future.

>>46940792
>>46940851

That they're unique is a big part of what makes them special. Deathjack's story is implied that all Helljacks in Cryx are simply attempts to recreate him but have failed. Behemoth spent a whole generation in development and was only completed as a pet project, he was never meant to exist because of the cost to produce him. Typhon required a fresh athanc from a rival dragon that hadn't been absorbed by Everblight. Thunderhead was a proof of concept that led to Dynamo, until these two every other test had exploded in Nemos face.

They're all unique, and series of unlikely circumstances intersecting.

>>46940863
>>46940851
Eh,lore-wise they're good reasons,what bothers me is that in a massive war,a character soldier would have a negligible impact practically

Does anyone know where i can find the Forces of distinction pdf

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>>46938595
Cmon MVIII thats just a fag who desires to be heard. He cant even prove his point, jeez. Just stop it, that bub aint even trying.
Just look at this.
>Then pay someone to paint them, you can find affordable painters in any city larger than Bumfucknowher
And you are supposed to pay other people to paint your minis just to satisfy this fag. Really? No, REALLY?
>And before you say "b-but that's expansive!", the game is expensive, by your logic cardboard cutouts are better than actual models because they're cheaper and don't require you to assemble them.
Or this.
Anon, this picture is totally releated to that asshole.
Do not get triggered, relax and laugh at the loser who is trying (but fails miserably) to assert himself that way.
>>46939686
Point out what exactly made you think so, shitface.

>>46940951
These aren't massive wars though, this isn't the grim darkness of the far future where there is only war. Warmachine is very much about the big players involved in small skirmishes that turn the tides of history, the warnouns and their relative noungroups. The jacks are either cutting edge new, or have been showing up for decades or centuries each time changing the course of a war or a nation.

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>>46940534
>But someone who ignores the painting and modelling aspect of the game should leave now, because this isn't a game for you.
Cause you said so, fuck?
>Otherwise, just fuck of and die in a ditch you dirty pleb.
Here is another picture with you.

>>46941014
They're not mutually exclusive, that was the point.
Sarcasm doesn't really come through in a textual medium

>>46937677

I agree with you about Karn being the author of all our woes, but Raseth has Carnivore (also in the Forces Book though, which is probably the reason).

Warlocks tend to sneak by balance issues, almost each and every one of them is all other things being equal a corner-case.

>>46940669

Hello, God.

>have to figure out a way to model the Nightmare-girl clinging to that things ankle

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It is a proven fact that painted armies roll better when played on the table.

If you don't want to paint your dudes that's fine but you should really get off your ass and at least try.

>>46940522
I'm a different anon. I mentioned that there is nothing wrong with liking the game more than the hobby.

I will just instinctively avoid you out of my past few years experience. You'll never hear me say this in person, but anonymity allows me to express how I truly feel on the matter.

I just need to clarify that.

>>46940702
So the same thing that he said but you used different words...

>>46941189

You do have to admit it's had a weird benefit, though. A more... resilient... construction and play style than skorne's is hard to name. They're the faction with lists that function until the very end. Granted because nothing is much better than anything else and a lot of the support choices are non-critical or massively redundant (or in the agonizer's case, deceptively tough).

Any word on circle so far? I'm curious how pre measuring will work with my stones hi jinks.

I got to page 3 on the PoM forms talking about Mk3
>The Negativity is amazing.
OMG MY JACKS AREN"T MAT 8!!!!

Choir needed a nerf

>>46941243
oh,excuse my stupidity

>>46941016
Heh,that's true,but this is one of those things that I'll never justify for myself.

>>46941089
No shit it aint, then why call him idiot, fucker-who-cannot-even-do-a-proper-sarcastic-sentence?

>>46941215
Sculp your own little girl.
Yours, sincerely.

>>46941408
They really are whiney bitches.

"Nobody is going to use rat 5 models without battle hymn"

Spoiled on that 2 pt incite every turn, eh?

>>46941746
I know, fucking the reckoner was so bonkers everyone thinks we need mat 8 and flare and reach on every jack.
Shit I 'll take 3 crusaders over 2 reckoners every day.

>>46942320
>>46941746


When i did play menoth there were only 2 occasions i used crusaders

Harbinger tier
journeyman leauge.

other than that.. they are (untill mk3 stats revealed) shit.

>>46942403
Stats were mostly revealed, Crusader got a point drop and 1" melee, that's it. Still shit. As for the choir nerf, everybody else was jelly that our jacks got work done since we could usually spend our precious focus on buying attacks instead of boosting to hit. I am disappointed with the nerf, I dislike the Reckoner and am kind of annoyed that it is going to be even more required in this edition since they revealed that its flare still gives -2 def as well as removing stealth

Slightly concerned by Rumble. It makes me wonder if turn 2 is going to mean all the ranged units on the map can immediately aim because of the smaller board size. That and the rof change sounds like shooting is going to be much more powerful this time.

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>>46942785


>5 point mat 7 pow 19 that can go up to 21 and can't be shot at
>also gets free focus
>shit

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>>46942991
>>
>>5 point mat 7 pow 19 that can go up to 21 and can't be shot at
>>also gets free focus
>>shit

>>46942991
>>46943014
Mat 7? No it's mat 6. What they were talking about was the mk1-2 mat boost to 6 that protectorate got, which is frankly embarrassing

>>46942991
It's base 18 too. Do you actually know what you're talking about?

>>46942991
Spd 4, Mat 6, def 10 pow 18 1" melee. Same focus cap of 3. Can be shot at by more than half the game, Passage is a joke now. Few threat extenders mean it will get spammed or not taken at all. Shit.

>>46943228


Crusaders got another mat buff in Mk3

>>46943507
No they didn't he already clarified that he misspoke

>>46943507
>Not all Protectorate warjacks gains a MAT bonus. The Guardian chassis did. Hymn of Battle is +2 to damage rolls.

>>46943247
not : >>46943014
but with EoM it would be effective pow 21 mat 7 in mk3 for 10 points the reckoner is going to be between 16-18 I'd guess.

Severius3: Make Menoth Great Again

>>46943601
Like Severious wants to run a bunch of shitty melee jacks? He's way better with shooting or combined arms jacks. God, the new Redeemers are going to be baller with him, 3 on him 2 on Tristan and you can put 15 boosted pow15s into something kd or low defense

Oh poor babies, mat 6, the same mat as every non character khador jack (except for the mat 5 berserker chassis), with the only way for khador to mat fix is using two casters that can freeze, or one caster that gives 3d6 drop lowest, or putting 4 points into buying a greylord ternion with a short range MA7 def debuff spell that can be killed by any model in the game trivially. Or using our colossal which now has a flare rule like your heavy warjack does (unless the spriggan gets changed, our heavy flare doesn't debuff). Also our jacks cost more

>>46943797
And no-one used basic Khador jacks in MkII for a reason.