Are paladins required to stay chaste?

>>46825549
I would think senpai

>>46825549

Of course, the only sex they should be having is with their wife.

>>46825549
DOTS

>>46825577

Oh, how scandalous. Next you'll be telling me they have sex in the missionary position.

>>46825549
Marriage can be allowed depending on the faith. Fornication would be a Major Sin, greater than taking your deity's name in vain and lesser than Adultery or unlawful Murder.

Depends on the order, but it's generally encouraged.

>>46825601
For the sole purpose of procreation. There may even be some handholding involved.

>>46825549
Depends on the particular religious order/personal code

>>46825658
You sick bastard.

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>>46825658

>>46825549
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>>46825664
Depends on the setting.

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>you will never be seduced by Satan the arch-fiend of hell in the form of a seductress

why even paladin

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>>46825684
What can I say? It's always the conservative ones you have to watch out for.

Depend on what you are basin the Paladin on. If you are thinking Saintly Knight Orders then yeah, they were probably chaste because they were part of the christian church.

But fantasy paladins are from all sorts of religions. In Forgotten Realms there are paladins of beauty (from sune), paladins of coin (from waukeen), paladins of the sunrise (from lathander), paladins of justice, vigilance and duty (from torm, helm and tyr, somewhat), shit like that.

Many of those I don't see why they shouldn't have families. In the Baldur's Gate series you meet some paladins, and one in particular, Keldorn, had a wife and children and you go around an entire quest to find out she's cheating on him and to lead him on how he deals with it.

>>46825684
>>46825689

Fun fact: It's implied a married couple can do all sorts of freaky shit with each other and all of it's fully supported by the Church.

>>46825549
depends on the DM.
I know in D&D 3.5 there's nothing in the code of conduct saying anything against a paladin drinking, or gambling, or having sex with prostitutes (so long as it's legal) that being said the DM could rule that paladins are a member of the church and such are sworn to oaths of chastity, or poverty, etc.

>>46825812
Even the Puritans saw it that way.

Sex before marriage? That's a grave sin.

During marriage? Go at it like a pair of rabbits just about wherever you want and no one will bat an eye.

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>>46825549
It's not required, but I like to think it's a matter of best practices. In theory, keeping chaste means you can devote your whole heart to god, and you don't have as many mortal connections to drag you down.

Also, a lot of hero stuff requires being pure of heart. So it's kind of a better-safe-than-sorry thing.

Why would they be?

>>46825549
No. Lawful hot dickings are a vital tool in the Paladin's arsenal. Forcing them to stay chaste makes as much sense as banning them from wielding a sword.

>>46825789
I very much doubt that anon. AFAIK Templars and Hospitalers were not members of the clergy. They were a band of aristocratic banker-mercenaries... I imagine even if they were sincerely pious they probably handed out dickings in every corner of Europe and the holy land.

>>46825549
Quite the opposite.

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Depends entirely on the deity and what commandments the Paladin follows.

Chasteness only comes from literal catholic paladins, and considering Catholicism has a long-standing history of essentially giving devout 'sinners' parking tickets for 'sin' they're probably fine.

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>>46828579
Both are very much members of the clergy. They were monks, who drew their membership from the aristocracy. The Templars in particular gained so much power and influence because they were considered good warriors as knights while being morally just and upright as monks.

Sir Reinhard here, it's CHARITY. Not Chasity. I see Sir Aldous has been hitting the magic mushrooms again.

LAWFUL HOT DICKINGS HO!

A paladin is required to give of themselves.
Often this means slaying dangerous beasts and protecting innocents, at other times it may mean helping to bring in a harvest so a town does not starve.
Sometimes it means giving a dicking where a dicking is due.

>>46825734
>Sir Bowie of the Round Table

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>>46825549
From AD&D 2e big book o' pallies

>>46827395
>Talking shit about Duty and Honor
I'm glad he is dead desu senpai

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http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308234-Knights-of-the-Scarlet-Woman

Here is an organization I am thinking of using in my games. I'd appreciate some feedback on it.

Knights of the Scarlet Woman.

When we hear of knights, we think of men who are dedicated to the ideals of duty, self-sacrifice, honor and who esteem chastity as a virtue in women. We do not think of knights as those who seek to liberate women sexually; such men we think of as scoundrels. Men who seek to liberate women sexually are known as the corrupters of innocence, as devils from the underworld not as heroes. Therefore, when we hear of an order of knights who see it as their duty to fight sexual suppression and liberate women from the prison of chastity we cannot help but be struck by disbelief. Well, I am here to tell you about an order of knights who see just this as their duty: The Knights of the Scarlet Woman.

This order was founded by three men who saw it as their sacred duty to liberate women from the bonds of chastity. The first was a rebel, poet and warrior by the name of Aleister Crowley. The second was a philosopher and sage by the name of Wilhelm Reich. And the third was a painter and bard by the Luis Royo. These men came together, approximately three hundred years ago and swore an oath that they would never rest until every woman on the face of the earth had been liberated sexually. Surrounded by hostility, these men at first resolved to keep their activities a secret until such time as they had the strength and the numbers to fight an open war against the dominant power of those days The Knights of the Virgin.

>>46831268

One hundred years ago, the knights lead a revolution in one country, X, (unnamed to allow adaptation for different settings.) and seized the reins of power after the people had become cynical after repeatedly seeing the corruption, bigotry and false promises of the Knights of the Virgin. As a result popular opinion shifted in that country and the people of that country discovered a newfound dedication to love and romance which had been suppressed by the Knights of the Virgin as sin and godlessness.

Upon seizing power, these men (founders were dead by this time) sought to promote the equal participation of women in civil society and became the first knighthood in history to allow women to become equal members with all the rights and privileges as men. Their coming out into the open has opened them to attack by the Knights of the Virgin who currently dominate other areas of the world. The Knights of the Scarlet Woman have found unlikely allies in the Fey and certain sympathetic devils and demons. (Although the activities of the Knights of the Scarlet Woman are by no means evil.)

The motto of this order is, “For love one should risk respectability and even life itself.” Another motto is, “The sun shines no less brightly on you because it shines on others.” Membership is open to all men and women who are willing to abide by the rules of the order. Knights upon entry take a vow to remain bachelors all their life, to renounce jealousy and possessiveness and not to hoard their love by only loving one man or woman but many. All those seeking membership also go through an initiation ritual which includes the blaspheming of the symbols of the Knights of the Virgin, orgies, feasting and the ritual deflowering of a (willing) virgin. Participants dress up as demons and devils during the rituals.

Members receive a number of benefits and have a certain number of corresponding duties as part of their membership. The organization provides an atmosphere of tolerance where open discussion of secular ideas takes place. Members also receive a set of armor or robes depending on their class with the emblems of the order. (The order’s symbol is a kissing nymph and succubus intertwined with one another.) Members have a duty to come to the aid of fellow members in times of need and to remain loyal to the ideals of the order. They have a duty to fight for the order when called upon and to be courageous (although not stupid) in the face of persecution and difficulty. Members also receive a copy of the book of verse White Stains which was composed Aleister Crowley; this book is also the guiding text of the order.

Members are required to train in the warrior arts (or some equivalent class which has combat use such as mages, clerics, druids, thieves, bards etc.) or to demonstrate, on a regular basis, competence in the art of war as a means of ensuring the strength of the order. Members are either sent on missions, covert or overt, or called upon to wage war on the Knights of the Virgin. Members are also called upon to spread the message of the order if they have the capacity.

The order regularly kidnaps beautiful women who would otherwise have been caged in the prison of chastity. The women are educated (and brainwashed if necessary) and trained to become scarlet women. They have all the rights and privileges of members of the order except for the following restrictions:
A. They cannot leave the order.
B. They can choose their sexual partners but they cannot choose to be chaste.
Most of these young women choose to stay in the order and those who are recalcitrant are enchanted by various charm spells into cooperating. They are not forced to have sex with someone they do not want to and they are not physically abused. Only non-coercive enchantment spells are used.

>>46831282

The order is structured on democratic lines for the election of representatives to the senate and the senate then gives a charter to military commanders to carry out military operations in various areas. Men and women are equal participants in the senate and the proportion of men and women is roughly equal.

The Knights of the Virgin consider the order to be evil while more pagan persons consider them to be heroes. The Knights of the Scarlet Women have found allies among druids, thieves guilds, the fey, bards and certain demons and devils. (such as Succubi and Eriynes.)

What can be said about the morality of this controversial order? That, dear reader, is for you to judge.

What do you think?

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308234-Knights-of-the-Scarlet-Woman/page2

The symbol of this knighthood is a nymph and a succubus making out so that should have shed some light on where I stand.

In real life I support gay marriage, even though I think homosexuality is unnatural (not lesbianism mind you, just homosexuality.)

In the game, this organization would frown upon men having sexual relationships with one another although women would be fully free and encouraged to do so.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308234-Knights-of-the-Scarlet-Woman/page3

It seems to me that if such a knighthood were to ever exist and to seize power, whether in real life or in D&D, it would take place in a country like France.

Therefore I have decided to model the country where this revolution takes place after France. That will also be the location of the headquarters of the knighthood.

>>46831288

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308234-Knights-of-the-Scarlet-Woman/page4

Let me start out by saying that many responders to this thread seem to take this too seriously, instead of in the spirit of humor and light-heartedness in which it was meant.

The women in this organization have full sexual freedom, they just can't choose to be chaste.

As far as the children, I am working on a spell to prevent pregnancies and to safely abort a fetus if necessary in the Birth Control and D&D thread.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308234-Knights-of-the-Scarlet-Woman/page5

I never said that rape was okay.

What I said was that the Knights of the Scarlet Woman think that by kidnapping women and educating them to be sexually free they are liberating women from the bonds of chastity.

It is not exactly rape because the women are not forced to have sex involuntarily with someone. They are simply forbidden from being chaste, otherwise they retain full freedom to choose their sexual partner. If it was rape, they wouldn't retain such freedom.

I did not say full freedom, I said full sexual freedom. Sexual freedom does not include chastity.

A chaste woman is not sexually free but rather sexually suppressed.

I'm sure there will be many handsome knights in the order; there is bound to be at least one knight that catches a woman's eye.

And if you enjoy it, it's not rape.

>>46831072
AD&D 2e makes sense, though, which makes it completely useless for this type of thread.

>>46831293

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308234-Knights-of-the-Scarlet-Woman/page6

>Unless they're choosing to be chaste, which would imply that it's a choice, and choices usually imply freedom. That's just the basic Law of Syllogism at work.

It is freedom but not sexual freedom.

For instance, academic freedom is the freedom to do academic things.

Sexual freedom is the same way.

>A woman being attracted to her rapist does not make rape not rape.

>Enjoying it does not make rape not rape.

>Consenting makes it not rape.

Let's agree to disagree.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308234-Knights-of-the-Scarlet-Woman/page7

Of course lack of consent is rape, but when the women choose which man they have sex with they are consenting.

>and when that choice becomes none of the above, what then?

Then non-coercive enchantment spells to help the woman see the light, unless she is unsatified with the option of men before her in which case the knighthood will provide her within reasonable limits with other men from which to choose.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308234-Knights-of-the-Scarlet-Woman/page8

Consent depends on the relative age of the man and the woman. If a woman is an adult, (18) then she can have sex with any man regardless of his age. (except children)

Then there is the case of teenagers. Teenagers if they are within relatively the same age category would also be allowed and encouraged to have sex. (For instance a 13 yr. old girl and a 15 year old boy.)

>>46831300

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308234-Knights-of-the-Scarlet-Woman/page8

>What exactly is a non-coercive enchantment spell that will make sure someone has sex with another person?

>And if you have to magic them into doing it, how much freedom would they actually be exercising when they do it?

An enchantment spell that does not involve intimidation, beatings etc.

I fully aware that this knighthood is evil. (Although I think they are doing a service to women.)

I am simply arguing from their side. My arguments are how they see it.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308234-Knights-of-the-Scarlet-Woman/page9

I think the knighthood in it's efforts to educate and promote sexual freedom is doing a service to women.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308234-Knights-of-the-Scarlet-Woman/page14

I'm sure there are plenty of suitable men available if a woman is interested in having a relationship.

I would not place any time limits, unless the woman was suspected of intentionally deceiving the order to maintain her chastity.

If a woman remained without entering into sexual relationships for too long, the knighthood would most likely take this to be an abnormal sign and investigate. Perhaps even provide some "encouragement" in the form of enchantment spells unless the woman was of high ranking and known to be trustworthy.

As a matter of fact, I have read Marquis De Sade.

The motto, "the sun shines no less brightly on you, because it shines on others" was from his works.

>>46831268
>and who esteem chastity as a virtue in women.
And also in themselves. How are they supposed to find the holy grail when they're thinking about Guinevere's ass?

>>46831300
Alright, what are you even doing anymore?

>>46831304

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308234-Knights-of-the-Scarlet-Woman/page16

Having children is something different than the libertine lifestyle.

It is possible for two Knights of the Scarlet Woman to get together and have children and continue their libertine lifestyle.

I play online so I do not whether the persons I play with are male or female.

There are persons of many different stripes and colors in this world.

Don't be surprised if you find persons who would want to play in a game with this sort of theme.

After all, you have already found one.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308234-Knights-of-the-Scarlet-Woman/page17

A hero could approve of the goals of the Knights of the Scarlet Woman and disapprove of their means.

>>46831313

Posting meme stuff?

I don't know, just read and laugh at this knight order which has been brought to the attention of /tg/ in the past.

>>46831314

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308425-Knights-of-the-Virgin

These are the villains in a tentative campaign which I am thinking of running.

Tell me what you think.

Some men wish that things be presented in a clear-cut fashion to them; that difficult choices either not be made at all or made by someone else. Such men seek to avoid the responsibility of thinking, which is a desire to avoid the responsibility of freedom. Dear reader, you have become acquainted with the Knights of the Scarlet Woman. You may have been repulsed and sought refuge in the opposite of those knights in the hopes that they would be better, but the enemy of an evil is not necessarily a good. It can be another evil. History teaches us that evil does not manifest itself openly, that the evil that is done in this world is often done in the name of so-called goodness. (since there are those who disagree with the princinples of chastity, duty, altruism etc.) I am here to tell you about one such organization that does evil in the name of alleged goodness which you should already know a few things about: the Knights of the Virgin.

These knights are the worshippers of the ideals of duty, self-sacrifice, altruism and selflessness. They see themselves as noble crusaders for good. They believe that they are led by a commander, X, (left unnamed for now) who has been sent to them from the Deity to lead them to a better tomorrow. Believing their commander to be mystically enlightened, they have sworn an oath of unconditional obedience to him. They see themselves as the chosen and all who disagree as the damned. They are supporters of a conservative social order which recognizes the proper rank and place of everyone: the priest, the aristocrat, the knight, the man, the woman etc. They oppose all secular and dissenting ideas, which to them represent the work of the devil in men’s hearts.

>>46831335
Anyone who cares to read the enworld thread will read the thread on enworld. You're just shitting up the thread with sameposting.

>>46831343

The knights make entry open to all, and in fact support the drafting of all able-bodied men. They see it as the duty of every able-bodied man to fight for the holy cause which they have undertaken. The knights also support the conscription of women for breeding purposes to produce soldiers for the armies of righteousness. Their mentality manifests itself in what they consider to be wisdom. For instance, their motto is “Obedience and duty; our lives belong to the state.” One of their most revered sages has said “In childhood a woman should be dependent on her father, in youth on her husband, in old age on her children; a woman should never be independent.” Another of their mottos is, “A woman, like a walnut tree, should be beaten every day.” And if you were wondering, yes, they punish adulterers with death, as they do to homosexuals and those convicted of dissent.

Those who are members of the organization receive a set of armor with the emblems of the order. The symbol of the order is an arm holding a sword with a crown dangling from the arm like a bracelet. Members are highly respected in areas where the knights holds sway. Higher ranking members get to indulge in “aristocratic pleasures” denied to the common masses. Adventurers receive payment for any missions they do on behalf of the order. (It is possible for such adventurers to be drafted, which is sad, but is an unfortunate reality.)

>>46831351

The knights are allied with certain celestial beings, certain churches and the aristocracy. Their sworn enemies are those dedicated to pagan ideals. Among these are the chief enemy of the knighthood, the Knights of the Scarlet Woman, while allies of the K.S.W. are also considered enemies. The Knights of the Virgin have been commanded to kill any K.S.W. members on sight and attack if they see anyone wearing the emblems of the enemy order. That is of course, if the knight is not high-ranking, in which case they are ordered to capture such knights and send them to the headquarters of the order to be tortured and interrogated. The Knights of the Virgin believe in honor and do not use trickery to win battles. All members have a duty to lay down their lives for the state, as the state is considered a living, breathing entity who is the Deity’s representative on earth.

The commander of the knights is appointed by the head priest who receives a vision from the deity as to the right man to lead the righteous to glorious victory. There is a military hierarchy and there is no civilian control of the military in the areas where the knighthood holds sway. The order is popular in conservative areas but shunned like the plague in pagan, secular, and liberal areas.

Sometimes reality is grim and presents men with difficult choices. This is one such choice. In a world where neither side can be called good, which will you choose, dear reader?

>>46831356

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308425-Knights-of-the-Virgin/page4

I was planning to have this campaign take place in Eberron where gods don't walk the earth since I think it is more realistic for them not to.

Your sorcerer may be powerful, but that is one person.

This doesn't mean that every area in the world is enlightened, or that women are even allowed opportunities for advancement in some areas.

On the whole, women are going to be to some extent disadvantaged in my campaign. (not mechanics-wise, just story-wise.)

Although I was planning on having a number of independent and high ranking women in the K.S.W.

Edit: I also don't think physically powerful women are realistic hence it is possible that I have women use the dexterity stat instead of strength when they decide to become fighters.

Sexism is bad, but we should not forget the historical position of women and try to evade it.

>>46831293
>What I said was that the Knights of the Scarlet Woman think that by kidnapping women and educating them to be sexually free they are liberating women from the bonds of chastity.
>otherwise they retain full freedom to choose their sexual partner.
>I did not say full freedom, I said full sexual freedom. Sexual freedom does not include chastity.

AHHHH

For some reason people RPing "morally justified by RL logic rape" is a lot more disturbing to me than people RPing evil actions that have no pretense of being justified

>>46831365

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308425-Knights-of-the-Virgin/page8

And yet, when there was a conquest by some warlord, the first thing to do after the victory was round up all the young, beautiful women and ravish them.

D&D is like theater or fiction writing. Both men and women can write fiction or engage in theater, but to ignore the realities of history is not going to allow me to run the type of campaign I want. I am interested in running a campaign which people can relate to and to deal with issues similar to those dealt with on the earth.

And women have opportunities in this campaign. It is possible for women to rise through the ranks of the Knights of the Scarlet Woman.

The setting may be fictional, but even in a fictional setting I would like to see some resemblence to life on this earth and the struggles of people living on this earth.

>>46831373

www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308425-Knights-of-the-Virgin/page9

Yes, if a woman wanted to overthrow these knightly orders through brute force, the way a conqueror would attempt to, she would have no chance.

Guile is another matter.

As far as the campaign being about men looking to get laid, I can only repeat what another poster has said in some other thread: there is better porn on the internet.

The purpose of the story was not so much about women, although they enter into the story, but about sexual morality and two opposing views of life.

The secular, liberal, pagan view and the conservative, religious view.

These knighthoods are two evil organizations, but each follows one of these philosophies.

Now it is true that neither of them are good, because the conflict here was never between good vs. evil.

Now with the entrance of PCs into the events that are transpiring, things become different because the PCs can make choices and choose to be good.

It also provides for an interesting campaign since it creates a conflict of values within the PCs.

www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308425-Knights-of-the-Virgin/page10

The order's logic goes something like this:

If men are being conscripted to fight in the army, why shouldn't women be conscripted to produce children to fight in the army?

Most RW believers in chastity praise women who have many children so there is no conflict.

They are going to be worshipping a virgin as their deity. (Similar to the Virgin Mary)

Not to mention they're anti-sex.

www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?308425-Knights-of-the-Virgin/page11

They are anti-sex because they believe that sex is evil and that a person should only have sex for reproductive purposes and not for fun.

Religious conservatives in the America believe in promoting family values and having lots of children and they are anti-sex so the apparent conflict between being anti-sex and pro-family (at least allegedly pro-family) doesn't exist.

In practice I find it universally retarded, in theory it makes a lot of sense (nobody for the BBEG to use against you). I say in practice its good because in fantasy RPG land your wife (or husband) can be an awesomely powerful wizard or whatever.

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>>46831385
Please stop posting all this. We're here to discuss a generalised idea of chastity and celibacy regarding paladins, if we wanted to read a discussion of some homebrew knight order we'd go to the thread that you've linked plenty of times already. Please stop crudely smashing walls of text over everyone elses conversation.

>>46831268

Eberron really strikes me as the wrong damn setting to have an order of originally male rapists and kidnappers who draft and brainwash/stockholm syndrome women into handing out free dickings being the sole defenders of women's rights against strawman conservatives.

Like I don't think I've ever so much as caught a whiff of traditional sexual/family/moral values at all in Eberron. I'm sure there might be some reference to a married couple somewhere, that's about it.

I really don't think its helpful to conflate paladins (who are the essence of what the romantic ideal of knights sought to achieve) with the cultural trappings that you might ASSOCIATE with such.

>>46825549
How accepting of such things a Paladin is depends on the order and the God they follow the path of. However, one thing always remains true.

A Paladin always finds himself chased.

>>46825549
Ridiculous. Why would a Paladin of the fertility goddess remain chaste?

>>46825549
>required

As if they had a chance with the ladies anyway

>>46831489
Because Paladins=Good and Sex=Evil. No exceptions.

>>46831519
I doubt many people think that, often good is genuinely sexier than evil in fantasy, its just that evil is often shallower and less able to experience human closeness, thus tends to be more promiscuous and more easily available. But evil could also result in the opposite.

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>>46825658

>>46827050
Acually, in D&D 3.5, alcohol is considered a kind of poison, so a paladin cannot drink alcohol by its code.

>>46832274
1. Drugs are most assuredly NOT governed by poison rules in 3.0 or 3.5, they make it a point to keep the rules separate.

2. For that matter, no real world substances are ever defined as drugs in 3.0 or 3.5, including alcohol. The only time alcohol might show up in rules is iirc maybe 3.0 Arms and Equipment Guide, where it may just be a reprint of another obscure sort.

>>46832359
As you said, Arms and Equipment Guide shows alcohol as poison, but it is not the only source.

Traps and Treachery I states alcohol as a common poison as well.

>>46825549

Depends on setting, deity and order. I can't see a deity of love and beauty ditching a paladin because s/he had a significant other - as long as said paladin went about it the right way.

>>46825549
Depends on their religion/which deity they worship. Paladins of Iomedae, for example, are not required to be chaste, but nobody actually wants to sleep with them.

>>46831072
So the universal ones are what we all associate with Paladins, with additional ones being offered depending on DM and Player discretion.

Sounds like everyone wins.

>>46831442
on the topic of purer knights, if memory servers Galahad's purity was a direct reference to chastity so there's that.

Percival has been a mixed bag, with a lover in some stories and a virgin in others.

Can't remember what was up with Sir Bors sex life.

Obviously a lot of the other knights were throwing chastity to the window, but none of them fit the Paladin archetype as well as the above three.

Really don't know enough about the big karl romances, and I probably should since they are the OG Paladins

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Can I be a paladin of the dick?
I want to be in the order of ass tho.
It's the best order.m

>>46831253
I think you rather missed the point of that scene.

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>>46825549

>Paladins
>Chaste
>My fucking face when kids these days

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>>46832981
>Order of the Ass
>Not Order of the Tits

>>46833055
>whynotboth.jpg
>Order of the Erogenous Zones

>>46832475
Traps and Treachery is irrelevant fanfiction. If we're going to cite third party supplements, a more relevant one is Pathfinder, in which booze is not a poison per se.

Cityscape is the more relevant source, in which again, booze is not remotely a poison.

Even if it were in any edition, it would still be taking things to a ridiculous extreme to have the code of conduct ban booze. It would be more appropriate for some sort of vow of abstinence (as in abstinence from drugs) variant.

A more reasonable midway between the two perspectives would be that "acting with honor" means paladins shouldn't get addicted and that they shouldn't use booze to manipulate people to their detriment or to their own profit (ie. getting a girl or business partner drunk to gain advantage).

>homosexuality is unnatural (not lesbianism mind you, just homosexuality.)

WTF

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>>46827813
>tfw you pre-ordered your Steve Lichman book

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>>46825549
I'm sure as hell not, my current paladin has 5 undocumented children, FIVE! Now, three of them are from when he was a cleric, but still and he will be marrying the first woman

>>46833740
Unless you shuffle around that sentence structure, I'll need to have a word with your paladin about marrying his female children.

>>46825549
>Chaste paladins
>literally "Charisma, the class"
You tell me OP

>>46825549
To their spouse.
The god of paladins in the setting has a wife, and she's the goddess of marriage.
Needless to say, cheating on either end is a great way to get a lot of curiously specific bad luck.

>>46833660
>buying printed media
Is this another of the joys of the first world ?

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>>46837937
>paying