/cofd/&/wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness General

>>46808502
I almost started a duplicate. Good thing I refreshed the last thread before I hit Post.

Throwing this in since it's the only thing from my OP that you don't have in yours.

>LATEST NEWS
>Monday Meeting Notes
http://theonyxpath.com/all-pitched-out-monday-meeting-notes/
>Thousand Steel Teeth Spoilers
http://theonyxpath.com/get-your-motor-running/

>>46808502

Assuming I can't be the shitty hanger-on for some Mummy cult, I kinda like the idea of being a "greeter" for the Circle of the Crone.

Less about horrific pagan blood rituals, more about "hey, we're a support structure for you that isn't a militant Catholic heresy, a transhumanist academic cult, a violent revolution, or an oppression structure of fealty and servitude."

New to WoD, just started playing VtM with a group. Any quirks/anything fun you guys like to do with random powers? I'm enjoying how streamlined and decision/RP focused the system is.

>>46808667

I'm incredibly fond of the idea of using Dominate to make your prey think they were abducted by aliens, not somethig so silly as "fed on by a vampire."

>>46808682
What's the low-down on the rest of the spooky community? I know about werewolves and mages, but there's way more, isn't there? How come there isn't a constant clusterfuck between the various communities, and how do they hide so well from each other? You'd figure they'd have territory conflicts often or something.

So, is Lucy Sulfate still dying of cancer in the Mage 2e corebook, or has Dave sent her into remissions so she can serve as an Acanthus signature character?

She didn't need the help of other mages when the Exarchs, err..., Dave, had her back.

>>46808789

They don't so much hide from one another, as they just don't bother one another.

Supernaturals are still only a tiny fraction of most communities, no less large cities, and generally have different areas of interest or priorities. Individual supernaturals can certainly work together or be sworn and active enemies, and everything in between. There's just no CofD setting mandate for communal interaction.

There are a number of "major" supernaturals, including vampires, werewolves, mages, changelings, demons, etc., and innumerable low population or minor templates and various human and human-esque beings with supernatural conditions and abilities, as well as ghosts, spirits, and things entirely unclassifiable.

Check Onyx Path's official CofD forums and subforums for more information.

http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness

>>46808578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xndGinZXoKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abPQYbQJJYY
Yeah, these two seem like the kind of Spirits that the Thousand Steel Teeth might go up against, don't they?

>>46808789
Poking around in other people's business is a good way to get your legs broke.

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So in between procrastinating and other such things, I'm going to go back to the Geist stuff. Can anyone who's interested look over the stuff I've got for the core template so far and tell me what they think?

One thing I'm concerned about is how the Thresholds are handled, both thematically and the way that they're mechanically differentiated. I'm thinking of changing the "Blessings" to be more of a Condition that can be 'popped' for a benefit, and the one I'm most unsatisfied with is the Silent. They were originally just really mopey and that was it. My problem is that in trying to have their deaths shape them, I just end up with wanting them to be *less* "silent". If their whole thing is "now's the time to speak up", they don't really fit the term Silent, though.

Also interested to see what people think of Synergy. Thinking of adding a list of Conditions for when you Break below 3 in either direction, to further encourage being Synergy 5.

>>46809357
The Forgotten 'How did we die?' section is hilarious.

>>46808795
She is the example Acanthus, but most likely still dying of cancer.

>>46809683
>Lucy Sulphate
>still dying of cancer

Well, so much for "mage supremacy."

Which price would YOUR life mage ask for curing cancer, though?

>>46809723
The upshot of cancer is that if you want to, you can grab your Goetic Demon and Morphean and bind them to your tumors, then you can tattoo smiley faces on them and call them Larry and Barry.

>>46809357
How about for the Silent they learned to take advantage of the fact that they are overlooked.
Make them bit like the puppet master pulling the strings or the soft spoken leader who speaks only when needed to but always knows what to say.

The bound don't really have a leader like X' splat. So how about turning the Silent into a patient director.

>>46809801
That requires Mind. Not sure how proficient she is in that.

>>46809852
What even naming the tumors Larry and Barry?

>>46809883
Affecting Goetian Demons does.

>>46809883
Yes

>>46808795
>>46809683
>>46809723
"Still" is a bit of a questionable term. As far as I'm aware, everything is more or less getting rebooted. Or at the very least, it's getting the New 52 treatment. The Mage Fiction Anthology has a story about her having cancer, so that means she's probably got cancer. But if she had it in 1e, it's not likely going to be treated as if she's had cancer for several years.

>>46809433
Forgotten deaths tend to be.

>>46809838
Well, I was mostly putting Stricken into that sort of Ventrue style role. They've survived the killer of kings, and that makes them better than kings. But Silent could probably fill that sort of Mekhet role of "I was watching you".

>>46809852
She's got Mind Ruling due to her Legacy. That's why she shaved her head; her Nimbus is thoughtlightning that makes her scalp tingle.

>>46809911
True point the Stricken are more king like, I forgot that.

But they rule much more openly, the Silent could still by puppet master like to haved learned to appreciate the fact that they are over looked. Which thinking about that now is still very Mekhet like.

>>46810055
This is the tweak I made:
> Not everyone can get what they want. Sometimes that’s okay, and you really do get what you need. We didn’t. What we needed was food, or water, or shelter, or air. Or love. And not having it killed us. Now we have the power to get what we want, and watch as everyone else scrabbles for crumbs. The world ignored you when you died, but when you breathlessly nodded in agreement to the Bargain, you learned how powerful the right kind of whisper can be.

> How do we live? Openly. Quietly. We don’t hide, but many of us prefer not to be in the spotlight. We were never going to be the prom king, but being a wallflower has it’s advantages. Where we might have filled ourselves with drink or drugs--if we were lucky enough to try--now we go for quality over quantity. And when we can, we watch. It’s easy to do when people overlook you.

After rereading it, it wasn't as bad as I'd thought, and was still pretty decent, but that "we're the wallflower learning to be prom king" line I wrote.

>>46810143
Very nice

>>46808502
I'd join Silver Ladder! Everyone deserves the option to awaken! The wise pull others up! Take hold of your rung, and climb!

>>46810379
Also Vampires can go fuck themselves.

>>46810379
Why do I get the feeling that Jackie Chan would be an Obrimos in the Silver Ladder?

>>46809797
Well, she's an Acanthus. Always nice to have a Weaver of fate in your pocket, no?

>>46810394
You're goddamn right, they can.

>>46810403
Given how many stunts he pulls, I'd say Arcanthus actually. Fate to stack the deck in your favor, Time to rewind if things go wrong. His movie blooper reels are all the abandoned timelines where he fucked up a stunt or line.

>>46811016
Those scenes in Jackie Chan movies where he kicks something and it lands perfectly and it's a practical effect are all done over and over and over again because he'll do a thousand takes until he gets it right.

Which really only works because of the way Hong Kong does movies. It's not as viable in America, where that shit costs fucking money.

>>46811033
Precisely! Now imagine pulling that off in a real fight without Time.

>>46808502
Probably Adamantine Arrow, but they feel like the lesser evil, rather than the best fit.
Mysterium can't lie, which is just stressful.
GofV get into so many black ops that no one really trusts them.
Free Council always runs the chance of voting for a dumb decision and binding everyone to it.
Silver Ladder is literally the oldest Old Boys' club.
Seers are just dupes.

Staying independent just seems dangerous as lacking affiliation, you're exposed to the machinations of others and lack the organizational resources. I'd like Mysterium's structure a lot better if they didn't have such fervent beliefs.

>>46811630
>Mysterium can't lie

What?

>>46808960
Yes, definitely. Good find.

I like the frustrated mage in the second one.

>>46808502
>Pick a game: If you had to choose which faction you would join, what would you choose?
Ivory Claws. Be a werewolf who's rich and connected enough to cover up his crimes? Sold.

>>46812141
Mystagogues swear to never lie with regards to Magic. So they can lie, cheat, and be gigantic assholes, so long as they're not lying as to the existence or nature of Magic.

Magic is too damn important and precious for that.

Didn't Lucy get the cancer fixed at the end of her story? Or am I misremembering now?

>>46812228
>be part of a magic cult
yay

>>46808502
>Pick a game: If you had to choose which faction you would join, what would you choose?

Awakened. Probably Mysterium or Free Council, but never more than "just a member". Doing my own stuff.

>>46812230
She decided to go find someone who would do it for less of a price, but it ended there.

So easy to be a mage.

>>46812294
Ah, fair enough.
But it'd be reasonable both if she still has cancer in future appearances, and not.

>>46812305
Comparatively.
They still have their own problems, but it's not like you'll burn to death from standing in sunlight or cause everyone you interact with to eventually attempt to murder you.

>>46812240
>Mysterium
>be part of a magic cult

Part of mage supremacist, Sleeper-hating cult.

FIFY

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Which gameline would be most fun for small-town horror in the frigid north?

>Got into an argument with someone over WoD magic
>Remember how fucking bad ass Mage was
>Now I feel like playing any WoD game I can
Anyway is Mage the coolest magic system ever?

>>46812349
Compared to being human or any other splat, yeah. Their politics even cap off at being mildly annoying and their antagonists are more of the Orcus on his Throne type than anything active like the Pure or Huntsmen.

>>46812354
Vampire? 6 months of not giving a fuck about the sun.

>>46812354
>>46812368
Vampire is pretty strong. Just like that movie 30 days of night.
Werewolves would be pretty terrifying as well.

>>46812358

Unknown Armies is my preferred game for magic, because it's actually a horror game unlike either Mage.

>>46812377
>>46812354
You could have a nice mix.

For whatever reason both sides have decided to attack the town (vampires helped by 30 days of night). beforehand, werewolves have stolen every piece of silver in the town and destroyed it/buried it out of town

>The Shadow turns into one huge wound.

Would that be bad?

>>46812364
I don't know where you're getting that idea, Seers DO want to flat up kill Pentacle members, and the feeling is mutual.

Be careful, or you might not be long for the world.

>>46812414
Imagine every object/place in the world was inhabited by a demon (evil, hell demon that corrupts everything and everyone it comes in contact with)
and every thought you thought up, every feeling you had spawned a new one

>>46812422

Only stupid Seers want to kill Pentacle mages. The clever ones recruit them instead; bring in new servants and you might get to climb further up the Iron Pyramid.

>>46812389
>Unknown Armies
Dont think I heard of that system. Why do you like it?

>>46812396
I just think Werewolves in the show are even more terrifying tbqh.

>>46812354

What book is that from? I like small town settings.

>>46808502

I'd be a mystagogue. I'd love to be a thearch, but I just plain couldn't be anything else. Giving up access to all that knowledge would be too much.

Sometimes a vamp has to get their hands dirty, and sometimes the built-in features of the undead just won't do, so what are peoples' favourite weapons in VtM?

>>46812569
>Not preparing equipment based on the job at hand.

>>46812569
A garbage truck at high velocity (Before you say anything, yes you can do this with high enough Potence as a Brujah.)

>>46812602
Speaking of potence I am a little confused. Is it supposed to be always on or do you spend blood whenever you want to increase your strength? I ask because I remember a game where I second guessed myself.

>>46812569
Aim a Strix at them and duck

>>46812633
heh, I think,that when the Strix are involved, you need to do a bit more than 'duck'

>>46812602
>open console
>god
>debug_infinite_ammo 2

>>46812552

It's by a lot of the same crew that worked on Delta Green, another fantastic game. The general pitch is that magic is real, but you literally have to be an obsessive, broken person to do it; gameplay revolves around several different sanity mechanics. It's an absolute blast if you like crazy shit like Tim Powers.

>>46812562

It's from The Esoterrorists, a GUMSHOE game about a benevolent conspiracy fighting bad guys who aim to weaken global stability in order to let in unpleasant things from somewhere else.

>>46812718
>Delta Green, another fantastic game
>cosmic horror without the cosmic or the horror

>>46810410
>>46809723
>>46809683
>>46808795

Which book has Lucy "Cancer Mage" Sulphate's stats?

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>>46812751
Legacies: the Sublime

>>46812732

But Delta Green is all about crushing nihilism. You just play as the deluded idiots hoping to delay the apocalypse by another day, at massive cost to their own well-being.

I wish Hunter would steal the Bonds mechanic from DG; think Touchstones with ratings that degrade when you use them on Breaking Point rolls. So you don't go crazy when your teammate gets eviscerated because you know you're doing this whole Vigil thing to keep your husband safe, but then you can't look him in the eyes anymore.

>>46812718

Good to know, thanks.

Also, esoterrorists is a phenomenal cult name.

>>46812765

Thanks.

Intelligence 4, Fate, Mind, Life 1, Resources 2, ...

If she can't figure out something reasonable to treat her cancer, she doesn't deserve to have her cancer treated.

>>46812718
I think I have heard of Unknown Armies actually. The concept sounds familiar.
While that does sound cool I just love the freedom that Mage gives you.

>>46812765
Cant they just get a life/death/fate mage to fix her?
Life to take away the Cancer. Death to somehow reverse it or kill the disease inside and fate to just randomly go "Yup lucky you the cancer is cured."

>>46812833
>Cant they just get a life/death/fate mage to fix her?
She's trying but there's only three in her area that can do it, she's pissed off two of them, and the other wants her to do evil deeds for it.

Cancer happens, not all mages can cure it, mages don't go around doing good deeds for no reason, and hers is past mundane medical intervention.

She went off to find someone who can cure it for an easier price.

>>46812855
>Not studying your ass off to master life magic to become invincible

>>46812871
Yeah like everyone in the world did
That's why we're all doctors and all diseases have been cured

>>46812893
If magic was real I would become a magic doctor.

>>46812906
Medicine is real, why aren't you a medical doctor?

>>46812855
>mages don't go around doing good deeds for no reason
What would be the best path if you actually want to do that? Thyrsus? I feel like Obrimos might make you the most inclined to do it, but its ruling arcana don't actually seem very helpful.

>>46812917
Because Magic is way cooler.

>>46812919
I would be a friendly mage. Wasnt Jesus just a kick ass Life Mage?

>>46812919
It depends on what you consider good deeds. Thyrsus if you're going to go around healing people. That won't help the poor, homeless and starving, though. Moros might, for Matter. But that won't help the mentally ill.

>>46812833

Depends what the price is, doesn't it?

>>46812855

This. You need at least Life 3 or 4 to cure a disease. This ain't an easy thing to be; you're talking about serious time and study investment to attain that level of power. Not something everyone can manage.

Personally, I'm nor sure how someone who has the power to help in that situation could just let someone die but then I remember that Mages aren't just random people. You know what they've done, what they're capable of. You can guess what they'll do if you help them survive.

What city would you most like to see covered as a 2e setting?

I'm really craving Hong Kong, myself; always wanted to visit.

>>46812941
If I had Life of that level, I'd do it. We're Pentacle mages, we're all in this together, right? Of course, if she wants to feel like she owes me a favor, that's more than fine by me. But I'd do it either way.

>>46813010
>We're Pentacle mages, we're all in this together, right?
She killed a mage she had a rivalry with.
While they are all part of cults, the cults aren't about love and trust

>>46812919

Paths don't make you charitable or compassionate or not. That's all you. Thyrsus may see the world as giving and lush, and be so themselves, or they may see the world as dog-eat-dog. Obrimos see plans in the world, and that can be compassionate or awful.

>>46813010

That's fair and fine. I'm not saying this is a bad thing - it's something I'm doing with a character at the moment - but gotta remember that there's reasons other people don't do it. Most notably, if you help her, her enemies become your enemies.

>>46813043
>Most notably, if you help her, her enemies become your enemies.
What if you become a neutral pacifist who helps everyone and anyone

>>46813037
Wasn't that in self-defense when he showed up to attack her club?

>>46813043
It might be wise to establish a reputation as being a neutral party beforehand, then (which shouldn't be overly difficult; someone with Disciple-level arcana will be known on some level).
Ultimately, the characters I'm interested in playing are pretty much all on a spectrum, to use Bioware characters as benchmark, between Paragon Shepard and DA2 Anders, depending on how angry I want to be. But selfless heroism is appealing either way.

>>46813088
>Wasn't that in self-defense when he showed up to attack her club?
Arguably yes (possible she started it), and he died prett brutally
If someone killed your friend in self defense would you spend time trying to cure their disease?

>>46813111
>If someone killed your friend in self defense would you spend time trying to cure their disease?
Depends what my friend did.

>>46813132
Went into a club and disapproved of how the Lucy was using her magic to manipulate an entire dance floor of teenagers

>>46813111
Well, if I Awakened, I'd be a Mastigos, so I probably wouldn't be able to unless the disease was mental. But, unless they were an outright enemy (a Seer or something who couldn't be confined and would never repent), then I think that I would.
Also, frankly, if you can be accidentally trampled to death by ravers, are you really worthy of the term "mage?"

>>46813144
I dont know this lore can you tell me what book its in or just explain the situation?

>>46813084
>>46813088

There is no such thing as neutral power. That's really a theme of the game line; every action you take has consequences. If you save someone's life and they go on to kill someone else, their blood is on your hands.

At least, that's certainly how others will see it.

A refusal to take sides doesn't mean you've stayed out of a conflict, it just means you've not chosen a particular side to aid.

Same goes for a refusal to trade favours. If you refuse to trade for your services, you simultaneously weaken the bargaining power of every other healer in the city AND beggar yourself by taking away the things you could use to enhance your own standing and, thus, help more people.

These things have costs. You've gotta be aware of that before you agree to pay them.

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>>46813150
It wasn't accidental, she made them do it, its the power of her attainment
>>46813159
It's been mentioned several times but there's not a ton of details

>>46813150
>Well, if I Awakened, I'd be a Mastigos
Do you decide what magic to use or is it random?

>>46813179
>There is no such thing as neutral power. That's really a theme of the game line; every action you take has consequences. If you save someone's life and they go on to kill someone else, their blood is on your hands.
Thats how others view you. My conscience is clean.

Does a doctor take heat if they save someone that turns out to kill someone else?

>>46813185
cheers

>>46812991
I'd love to do Forsaken Hong Kong.

It'd even be a perfect context for legitimately trying to work in Sleeping Dogs references.

>>46813203
>Do you decide what magic to use or is it random?
It's not chosen, but that's what my personality would incline me to. Of the other four people in my house, we determined that one would be Acanthus, one would be Moros, one would be another Mastigos, and the last we haven't figured out.

>>46813203
>Do you decide what magic to use or is it random?
It's random

>>46813209
Wei Shen as a Kung Fu hunter

>>46813185
Thats kind of fucked actually.

>>46813203

When you say your conscience is clean, are you saying that you accept responsibility for your actions and believe that a higher moral calling requires you to assist people, even if they will then go and use what you give them badly?

Or are you saying you wouldn't feel responsible because all you did was heal them and what they did after that has nothing to do with you?

One is the acceptance of culpability and deciding that the cost of refusal is greater than the cost of action. The other is simply shrugging refusal to see that one's own actions have knock-on consequences.

As for what Path you Awaken to, it seems to tie into your personality and manner of seeking, consciously or not. Obrimos are the sorts of people drawn to seeing order in things, Mastigoi struggle with inner demons, Thyrsus live by instinct...

Personally, I'd want to be a Thyrsus, myself, because it'd make my job way easier and field work way more enjoyable.

>>46813272
It seemed to me like the guy was trying to attack or dominate the crowd.

>>46813310
to me it seemed like Lucy was using magic to make the crowd dance and the guy was like "Yo thats fucked up your brain washing teenagers." and then Lucy got the crowd to Moshpit him to death.

>>46813296
If a guy sells a gun to a guy for home defense and a month later the guy Murder/Suicides because his wife is having an affair its not the fault of the guy that sold the gun.

>>46813335
Maybe the grammar's ambiguous or something, but "the weight of his malice" strikes me as, well, malicious and not at all good for the health of anyone around him, and the parenthetical protestation felt like it was coming from Lucy; she was appalled enough at what he was trying to do that she killed him.

>>46813364
the parentheses sound like him
she's not the type to be overprotective over kids (she considers herself a kid)

>>46813364
>>46813387
now I am confused

>>46813335

Is it? Doesn't the person putting firearms into people's hands directly make it easier for that sort of thing to happen?

Culpability isn't a binary proposition. Actions aren't innocent. A part of life is accepting where your culpability lies and what you consider acceptable compared to the benefits allowed.

A doctor working for charity effectively takes money from other doctors who would use that to fund a sustainable practice, but, by doing so, they also get medical care to people who couldn't otherwise access it. They are culpable both in the harm AND the benefit, and clearly chose to weigh the benefit as worth the harm in this case.

Actions aren't neutral. You can't shrug and pretend that the confluence of events that led to that murder-suicide didn't see your hands on it. You chose to provide a service that facilitated that action when you could've done anything else.

You have to ask yourself, is that service worth it? Does the benefit it brings you and others outweigh that cost?

If the answer's yes, you've made a thoughtful decision, weighing right and wrong. If you just shrug this off and say "I didn't do it, so it's not my fault", you're shutting your eyes and plugging your ears and shouting LALALALA at consequence.

>>46813399

It's pretty clear that he was casting a spell and she responded by him getting his face kicked in. The narration's clearly from her perspective.

>>46813452
>You chose to provide a service that facilitated that action when you could've done anything else.
What about all the times where firearms saved lives? Or helped a family sustain themselves.

>>46813507

That's the other half of the equation. I wasn't saying selling guns is entirely bad, any more than I was saying that being a charity doctor is entirely bad.

I was saying that there are costs associated with these things. If you believe that the benefit provided by selling your firearms outweighs the harm, there's no reason for you to stop doing so. Exactly how you weigh that is up to you.

My point isn't that people shouldn't Do A Thing; just that there is no purely neutral approach; no innocent action. Every choice has consequences and there is no absolute good; just things with very few negative consequences.

>>46813570
I was merely using the example to show that you cant control the actions of someone else (unless your a mind mage) and you can only control your own personal interactions with other people.

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>>46813618
>Not having hidden caches around town.
Thats actually a great idea. What would that be? Matter and Space?

>>46813659
Or just Resources and Crafts.

We did that in our Werewolf game, we have some hidden spots around town where we stashed stuff. We even have some dug out in the Shadow.

>>46812991
I'd like to see anything in modern Scandinavia. But I can keep dreaming about that, considering we got the Dark Eras set here. Eh. Or rather, in Ireland, but based on Scandinavia.

>>46813209

I'm guessing you're aiming at packs-as-tongs, possibly with Renown serving a similar role to guanxi?

>>46813678
But as a wizard you could have one like every block. Clone all of your gear and have pocket dimensions in alleys and shit.

>>46813594

Not controlling others doesn't mean you aren't culpable in their actions. If you directly empower them in such a way that you allow those actions to happen, where they couldn't if you didn't, you bear some weight for it. It might be a lot or a little, depending on how much you know/could have known in advance, but it's still something.

>>46812871
> Implying mastery of an common arcane can be achieved in weeks.

>>46813696
if you have Space, you only need one, you can just reach into it from wherever/whenever

As werewolves we don't need that much, we just have some guns and cash and talens

>>46813825
>if you have Space, you only need one, you can just reach into it from wherever/whenever
Right I forgot about that.

>>46813869
But, then you risk another mage finding out about it and robbing you blind

>>46813951
but only you can access our own pocket dimension right?

>>46813959
What ever spell you to assess the dimension another mage can cast that same spell.

>>46813959
The mage has a Known sympathetic connection to his own Pocket Realm, unless he has spent at least 24 hours inside it (requiring an extended Duration), after which his connection becomes

there has to be a way for others to piggybac off it

>>46814000
If you manage to dispel it, the items are ejected to wherever the palces real world creation was, you could do it there.

>>46813694
Well, triads rather than tongs, but I think I'd want to go for something more complex than *just* that desu. Yes, packs and their territories probably mean a certain amount of entanglement and interaction with triads for some Uratha, but equally Hong Kong is a bustling metropolis and financial centre - think of all the opportunities for wolves-in-sheeps-clothing amongst the great powerhouse companies - and it's an amazing centre of cultural fusion *and* clashes. The spiritual side of the location would be fascinating.

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Good news! Finally got some PC's made with my friends for M:tAs. We've got an urban-shaman Dreamspeaker and a Jedi peacekeeper Orphan. Might also get a Verbena knowing player 3. No idea what player 4 will make, might remake the super-nice florist idea she tried to do in a Vampire game the fell apart.

>>46812358
I certainly like it, especially because it gives an actual explanation for how magic works that is missing in a lot of other rpgs. It can be hard to wrap your head around though, especially with stuff like Prime and Correspondence. Might be too open-ended for some folks, which is understandable.

>>46814027
Nice to hear, people don't seem to think much of werewolves beyond gangs and woodland psychos.

>>46814030
>Might be too open-ended for some folks, which is understandable.
yeah exactly. The guy I was talking too said he needs hard limits otherwise he just powergames and he annoys people.

>>46814064
That's one of the reasons why I like doing sample hunting grounds - it helps show people other approaches they can take. None of the three in The Pack particularly focus on gangs or woodland wilderness types.

>>46814118
That's even nicer to hear. I think you and the other writers (and developer) have done a great job on 2e.

>>46808502
>all these bitch-ass niggas who didn't join the Summer Court

REMOVE FETCH remove fetch

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tupac alive numbr one #1 in freehold ….fuck the arcadia ,..FUCKk ashol fetches no good i spit in the mouth eye of ur flag and contry. 2pac aliv and real strong wizard kill all the fetch farm aminal with rap magic now we the freehold rule .ape of the zoo presidant georg bush fukc the great satan and lay egg this egg hatch and hedge wa;s born. stupid baby form the eggn give bak our clay we will crush u lik a skull of pig. freehold greattst countrey

So, would Nigel Thornberry make a good Orphan of Proteus?

So, anyone have any fun ideas for remnants and ruins left behind by the Time-Not? How do you present it/them?

I've been hung up on the nephilim lately, and the idea of there being giants - or at least their impressive skeletons - amuses me.

What is the natural lifespan for a werewolf?

>>46814679

No one knows, it isn't in the rules.

>>46814693
Hmm ok. I wanted to make a character that was inspired from a book. A werewolf who is both a WW2 and Vietnam War Veteran but he physically looks late 30s/early 40s.

>>46814717
would fit in 1e rules
they are long lived and in good hsape, tho that's pushing it

>>46814763
2e too.

>>46814679
>>46814717
The same as a human, barring high Primal Urge presumably. We don't know the mechanics for it, though; most werewolves don't live long enough for age to be a factor in their deaths.

Though as >>46814763 says, they age extremely well. Being a WW2 vet in modern times is possible, though I'd ask your ST about it.

>>46814763
>>46814790
old or new?

>>46814814
It seems strange to me that they dont clarify werewolf age

>>46814836
>old or new?
Forsaken.

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>>46814836
In Werewolf the forsaken 1e.

Here's Red Stick.

Hope you're not talking about wtA

>>46814860
>>46814873
Cheers. I need to read werewolf more. I been reading mostly Hunter and vampire as they are my favorite books.

Is there any debuff to transforming to and from werewolf form?
Like in the book they make a point of when you transform the calories in your human body just cant support this much larger frame and unless your eating regularly (which the character in question understandably has moral quandaries over eating people) he runs out of energy and when he turns human again hes emaciated and severely malnourished.

>>46814957
>Is there any debuff to transforming to and from werewolf form?

None at all.
There are drawbacks with the werewolf condition, but that isn't one of them.

>>46814957
Bleh.

Okay, it sounds like you're talking about Blood of the Wolf, which isn't a good book (but does have the answers for age and other shit that you want).

In 2e, changing doesn't tire you out, it feels good. You pass out into human form after death rage, but there's no lasting effects.

>>46814989
Hm ok. Whats to stop you from just raping face in werewolf form all day every day.

>>46814997
>Okay, it sounds like you're talking about Blood of the Wolf, which isn't a good book
Actually I was talking about Monster Hunter International which is a decent book though very frustrating at times.

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>>46815017
>Hm ok. Whats to stop you from just raping face in werewolf form all day every day.
You can only go Gauru (the wolfman form) once per scene, and only for a little bit before it leads into death rage.

But you can turn into a big wolf and spend all day and night killing people. And if you really want you can wake up from your death rage, then start it up again.

>>46815069
How is it balanced then?

>>46815084
How is what balanced? Big-wolf form?

Lunacy I'd imagine

>>46815084
You don't get experience for killing people, just attention and Harmony shifts.

So it's balanced out by the fact that if you start death raging and never stop someone's going to kill you.

>>46815017
There are multiple forms, and you can only control yourself for a few rounds in Garou/the stereotypical half-wolf half-man form, after which Death Rage takes over and you start killing ANYBODY who isn't also a Garou-form Werewolf in Death Rage. Usually, this means your friends.

It sounds like you haven't actually read the werewolf book at all; I'd recommend reading it before deciding to use it to re-create a character from a book. WoD/CofD have their own version of Werewolves, and it's pretty unique from what I know.

Though you can make someone who only turns into Garou on the full moon, as a Wolf-Blooded. That still includes Death Rage, though, and iirc it's immediate for them.

>>46815017
>Hm ok. Whats to stop you from just raping face in werewolf form all day every day.

Ok. First off:
All forms are werewolf forms. You are a werewolf, all forms are therefore werewolf forms.
That said, there are five shapes available to a Werewolf:
Man (obvious)
Near-Man (Larger, stronger, hairier. A bit better senses)
Wolf-Man (Huge-ass wolf/human hybrid. The Killing form. Baddest of asses. We'll talk more about this one later.)
Near-Wolf (Larger stronger wolf. By that I mean, about the size of a pony.)
Wolf (obvious)

You can change at will between all except the Wolf-Man form. No problems there. The mass-change is explained by the semi-spiritual nature of Werewolves. It's a tad complicated, but if you really need to know I could explain it to you.
The fifth form, the Wolf-Man. The Killing Form. Is more problematic. You can only be in it for short amounts of time at an end, else you lose control - Called Death Rage. It's always a raging beast, but you can lose what little control of it you have. Someone explained it like this:
In normal Gauru you have to kill something.
In Death Rage you have to kill everything.

But you can change between the others freely. If you balance your life properly, you can change a few times each second, if you feel like it.

>>46815084
there are consequences for being a raging killing machine all of the time & the Blood Talons would descend on you with silver weapons with a quickness for death raging all day or running around in Urshul and eating people. Also the piles of murder spirits you leave in your wake.

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>>46815118
>So it's balanced out by the fact that if you start death raging and never stop someone's going to kill you.
Or you'll kill everyone in the world and not have anyone to kill.

>>46815084
Balanced in what sense?

The killing form, the most monstrous of the shapes the werewolf can shift into, inflicts mindless death rage on you if you try and hold to it for too long, after which you'll likely come to somewhere surrounded by corpses that you didn't intend to create. It also inflicts lunacy on humans who see you, a sort of instinctive madness that hits the fight-or-flight reflexes in them hard.

>>46815138
i don't really like a lot in that piece but the fucking moon looks ACES. Like the sky's rippling or rending apart around it.

>>46815113
>>46815118
>>46815121
>>46815126
>>46815131
>>46815147
I meant in combat encounters like imma just turn werewolf and kill this building filled with bad guys.I mean I know the concept of Masquerade in Vampire and its a bad idea to show off your sick powers on random people.
But the whole losing control of your actions thing is a pretty good drawback.

>>46815138
>Or you'll kill everyone in the world and not have anyone to kill

But then you have to kill every spirit in the shadow too to balance the scales

>>46815178
>I meant in combat encounters like imma just turn werewolf and kill this building filled with bad guys

Well. There are plenty of things stronger than Werewolves, if that is what you are asking.

>>46815210
What about a party of werewolves?

>>46815210
Like Mages

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>>46815178
A lot of the threats werewolves face are going to be harder to deal with than a group of humans with guns.

>>46815178
you tend to win combat encounters against mortals in werewolf that aren't aware of what you are. Just how it is. Combat encounters that actually threaten werewolves physically are going to be against other werewolves & spirits for the most part.
Although the more mortals you kill, the more likely it is that at least ONE person is going to figure out what you are.

And it's not like "silver kills the werewolf" is a particularly esoteric bit of occult lore.

>>46815234
It's called a pack.
And there are most certainly things that can take down packs of werewolves.

Powerful spirits is the #1 thing that does.
Oh, and larger, more experienced packs, of course.

>>46815234
There are things stronger than a pack of Death Raging Garou-form Werewolves

Some of them are called Idigam. Some are called Luna and Helios, and the other Shadow Gods.
Others are called Archmages.

>>46815237
A mage is going to get wrecked by a werewolf. Full stop.

>>46815259
I know I am just being snarky and want to talk WoD with people because its fun...and to distract me from my tummy ache.


>>46815250
Is dat an Angel of The God Machine

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>>46815234
One of the antagonists in the book is basically an evil star that hates werewolves.

Human opponents are for the most part a joke. They can get lucky, and in numbers they' can be dangerous (and they can use silver).

>>46815293
>A mage is going to get wrecked by a werewolf. Full stop.
>implying I wont just use Matter/life to turn their blood into liquid silver

>>46815294
>Is dat an Angel of The God Machine
No, it's a spirit.

>>46815293
>A mage is going to get wrecked by a werewolf. Full stop.

Only if the werewolf can reach him. And since all five (formerly) unsubtle arcana prevent this, wolfy will just have to settle for howling at the moon again

>>46815293
>A mage is going to get wrecked by a werewolf. Full stop.

Depends on the Mage, the Werewolf, the situation, the prep-time they have...

>>46815316
>Machine Spirit
We warhammer now

>>46815315
>Implying the Werewolf won't just withstand it
>Implying you'll even survive long enough to finish casting

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>>46815294
>Is dat an Angel of The God Machine
No that's just a spirit.

This is Zmai, the Worm. It's 120 feet long, and those people on it are its minions, addicted to its oily flesh.

>>46815315
Nope, you won't. Because the werewolf will pre-empt your attack, and tear your face to shreds.

>>46815332
>Surviving Silver implanted directly into their body

>>46815356
>Implying I wouldnt have magical alarms and traps

Seriously if I was a mage I would be Batman levels of paranoid.


>>46815348
So its basically The Nidhogg?

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>>46815297
>Human opponents are for the most part a joke. They can get lucky, and in numbers they' can be dangerous (and they can use silver).
In gaming terms, humans are like rats. One of the lowest most basic of enemies you can kill out of hand.

Ironically its the rats that are particularly dangerous.

>>46815384
>So its basically The Nidhogg?
It's more like a Vampire the Masquerade 3rd generation. It's blood is basically super vitae, it has dominate so powerful it can crush your brain, and is allergic to sunlight.

>>46815384
>>Implying I wouldnt have magical alarms and traps
>Seriously if I was a mage I would be Batman levels of paranoid.
They actually have a gift that lets them detect all traps in the area. But seriously try not to turn this into a who would win, it'll go on forever because no one's going to back down and there's enough powers to support arguments for both sides.

>>46815441
>But seriously try not to turn this into a who would win, it'll go on forever because no one's going to back down and there's enough powers to support arguments for both sides.
Oh I know I was just goofing.

>>46815441
Except wolves cant time travel, so in the end Mages are going to win. Like they always do

>>46815502
Sure they can, they just get Time gifts.

>>46815502

>implying that every CofD splat doesn't have the means to travel through time

At some point I need to write up the Lodge of the Clocktower and the Tindalosi (they get a passing mention in The Pack).

>>46815384

>Batman level paranoia

Small diversion but... Honestly, this is what everyone -thinks- Mage is like but it never is in actual play. The amount of effort that goes into living your life in full-time disaster preparedness mode is rough.

One of my first Mage characters was like that and it ended in a nervous breakdown for them because they were scared of everything. The world was so utterly full of things that could hurt them, they ended up doing things like poking magical artifacts with tree branches and breaking down in tears when they couldn't bring themselves to because of the anxiety.

The sheer amount of fear you live under to be Batman paranoid will break a person. When a new Mage realizes just how much there is waiting to ruin them, it's hard not to go a little bit mad.

I just realized I only have the core demon book.
Any new ones out?

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>>46815675
+1

>>46815675
>Chris & Dave spend their days watching us bitch and tryingto outdo one another

>>46815737
I played a Mekhet in one game who became so increasingly paranoid that he ended up obfuscated pretty much all the time, slowly going totally stark raving mad in the process.

>>46815739
Interface (fiction with some rules/char options/npcs)
Storyteller Guide with lots of stuff
Flowers of Hell, Player's Guide with lots of stuff
Heirs to Hell about Demon's childrens
Splintered City Seattle, a demon's view of the town with guest cameos from almost every other game

>>46815739
Demon Storyteller's Guide came out earlier this year and is incredibly good.

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>>46815737
Yeah I get what you mean. But still planting traps at every doorway may not be a bad idea. Honestly I will probably just make a Fate/Spirit mage as pic related.

>>46815770
Neat I need to track it down.

>>46815771
I usually avoid story teller guides since I was afraid it would just be all crunch and tips on how to run a game. Any good lore?

>>46815745
That's a contest I'd lose.

I can't even troll him when he's GMing because the ridiculousness of my current character is entirely in keeping with the nature of the Exalted game he's running.

>>46815798
>But still planting traps at every doorway may not be a bad idea.
until the the girl scouts come around and you wipe them all out because you were setting dangerous traps everywhere

>>46815823
Bitch shouldnt have walked into my house unannounced.

>>46815810
Oh Jesus, please get him to sort the fuckwits runing Exalted out.

>>46815810
Please tell me you're playing a Lunar.

My character has turned out nothing like I dreamed him to be in Forsaken 2 but it's just fuckin fun as hell not knowing exactly what he'll do next

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QycsRGKOWec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFyt_pi7U68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI0fBdSaifc
OFF is basically a game centered around a Hero, isn't it?

>>46815798
>I usually avoid story teller guides since I was afraid it would just be all crunch and tips on how to run a game. Any good lore?

oh buddy. you interested in the souls of annihilated people coming back from oblivion to harass & destroy the demons that killed 'em? Cuz they got that, among some other stuff like an examination of what "Hell" really means, including stuff like intentionally or accidentally selling everyone out to the Machine for security.

>>46815887
oh neato. I will try and track that down then.

>>46815764

Tremendous. I'd love to get to actually play Vampire, myself, and see how the neuroses play out there. I've ST'd for it, though, and it's fun to see how quickly instincts can go odd places.

>>46815798

Planting traps at every doorway isn't gonna be that great for you. It puts serious risks into your daily life, all based around how you set them to go off. Plus, it socially isolates you, at the very least. You don't really want a guest accidentally cursing themselves.

My Thyrsus (the one who poked an artifact with a stick) eventually kinda got over it, but has since managed to create a Rank 3 guardian demon to protect her neighbourhood. Now she spends her days praying "Please, no-one magical come to my neighbourhood, because Vas* has a really low threshold for what he considers a threat."

But it's the only real way to protect her family, so... Now there's a demon.

*(The demon's tripartite binding name, Vinea-Alloces-Sabnok. Because he likes to bow and scrape, there are a lot of jokes about Vas' deference)

>>46815770
>Heirs to Hell about Demon's childrens
Is that how the Lucifuge are made?

>>46815823
>girl scouts

Show no mercy to those green-sashed Seer pawns trying to enslave you with their Thin Mint powers.

Cookies that delicious and addicting must be evil...

>>46816081
Maybe, but probably not.

Fractals are also extremely OP.

>>46816087
Honestly mages selling cookies filled with mind altering potions is a pretty neat idea

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>>46816119
It fits with the Ministry of Mammon.

>>46816081
Wrong demons. You want Akathartoi for that.

>Utopia Now
>tfw I can legit become a Sea Steader in game

>>46815823
>>46816087
>>46816119

In the CofD, the Girl Scots are definitely an evil Mystery Cult.

The relevant questions include who are the dark powers they serve, and just what 'special ingredients' are in those damned cookies?

>>46815384
>>Surviving Silver implanted directly into their body
Withstanding doesn't mean surviving the effects, it means negating them entirely. Werewolves are literal BEASTS, and a spell that does something like that is probably going to be Withstood by the Werewolf's physical stats, which get ramped the fuck up in Garou.

>>46816081
No, the Lucifuge are explicitly not related to God-Machine Demons; there's a Sidebar about the various kinds of demons in the Demon book, and it calls out the Lucifuge as believing themselves to be descended from a more biblical variety of demon than any of the others(including Inferno, Maeljin, Goetic, and Supernal)

>>46816226
I ran a mortals game that was basically 'hunters who use gadgets and infrastructure'. It was the tits. I just wish they'd have gone deeper and say its a 'found' compact that emerges and then vanishes over the centuries. So that we can have people stumbling across suborned infrastructure Rapture and / or Columbia left over from one of the previous incarnations and now gone completely ba-na-nas.

>>46816270
What if all secret ingredients are actually evil? By god what exactly is in KFC's secret herbs and spices?

>>46816276
What if I make the entire room replace it oxygen with Carbon Dioxide and wear an oxygen tank?

>>46816342
I just really appreciate the new Hunter. They really added every niche you can think of.

>>46816348
KFC's secret ingredient is love.

The colonel figured out how to bottle the stuff and mae a fortune

>>46816387
sounds like heresy.

>>46815321

>mage players thinking they're all that

Enjoy having a claw up in your face, nerd.

>>46816348
>What if I make the entire room replace it oxygen with Carbon Dioxide and wear an oxygen tank?
This is reason "target the spellcaster first" is a thing. In Garou form they heal all bashing/lethal damage every round, so suffocation will take a while to work.

Or they could just use their own magic and make your gas mask stop working, or your oxygen tank explode.

>>46816387
>The colonel figured out how to bottle the stuff and made a fortune
I suspect there may be Goblin Markets involved in this.

>>46816387
I love KFC, but only the grilled chicken. And it pisses me off that anytime I go there they're always out of grilled chicken and I have to get that shit covered in fat-wrapped breading when all I want is delicious spiced meat.

>inb4 nice blog post

>>46816445
i know lad I was just goofing off and thinking of cool ways to use my powers.

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I haven't been around in a while, is conversation usually this werewolf-focused or is it just a particularly good day?

>>46816625
>Slaine
Mah Nigga. That comic is so much fun and the art is bad ass.

>>46816387
>KFC's secret ingredient is love.
>The colonel figured out how to bottle the stuff and made a fortune

My god, what's the source of all that love that the Colonel's bottles? Is all the war and strife in the world because we love tasty fast food chicken?

I also think the Colonel is a Tetrarch of the Praetorian Ministry. Just think how close a Colonel is to The General...

>>46816710
Well he did fight General Tso.

>>46816739

So, General Tso was an Adamant Sage of the Adamantine Arrow?

>>46816625
It's just a good day.

>>46816876
What Path was he?

>>46816902

Moros? Food is generally the purview of Matter.

He also could have been part of a powerful Culinary Legacy?

>>46812569
Cars. Cars are hilariously lethal in nearly every Storyteller system game. Run them over with a Semi-truck.

>>46816876
>>46816739
>>46816710
DRAWFAGS! TO YOUR STATIONS!

>>46816940
So a Moros Adamant Sage with Prime Legacy (Prime lets you create things in their truest form, quite a lot of threads ago we had someone talking about a Mage Pizzeria that made use of it.) Versus a Tetrach of the Praetorian Ministry.

This is getting GUREITO.

Any news about whether Paradox has given final approval for Mage 2e?

I am considering to create a Chronicles of Darkness Fantasy campaign. How well could (Hisil) spirits take the role of the gods?

>>46817425
You apepar to accidentally be making Exalted: Modern

>>46817425
Very well, it's basically what they are in animistic systems. And powerful spirits are gods.

>>46817454
Not >>46817425 but it sounds like he wants a traditional fantasy setting. I know that when I muse over "Chronicles of Darkness Fantasy" that's what I go for.

>>46817425
As >>46817479 said, that's what they are. The core mechanics of CofD work really well for fantasy. Look at some of the Dark Eras shit for ideas on how to handle non-modern equipment.

I really wanna run a game using a modified Woundgate. I want to do a portal fantasy, where the players are all people from the modern world who wake up in this fantasy place for unknown reasons. But I want there to be a magic system beyond just Supernatural Merits, and that requires work.

>>46817425
Pretty well. One of the Werewolf books iirc talks about the Norse mistaking a manifested thunder spirit for Thor, and Luna and Helios are literal gods within the Shadow.

>>46817454
Ex3 could work, but only if he wants the over-the-top action stuff. Otherwise, it's best to just use CofD, and mess with stuff a bit.

I'd recommend not changing anything about the Lie, though, because then you'd be fucking with the main balancing factor of Mage.

Chronicles of fagness

>>46817687
>Gayracula.jpg

>>46817633
>I really wanna run a game using a modified Woundgate. I want to do a portal fantasy, where the players are all people from the modern world who wake up in this fantasy place for unknown reasons. But I want there to be a magic system beyond just Supernatural Merits, and that requires work.
Look up Numenera, or the Strange.
Numenera is a weird-fantasy game set a long ass time in the future of Earth, the Strange is a game that uses the same system but has the default setting make the players out as agents of an agency that explores other universes and finds weird shit in all of them. One of the settings in the core book is a slightly-off fantasy world.

Alternatively, wait a week or two for Mage2e to come out, and use Proximi/Mages

>>46817425
Can spirits operate globally?

>>46817701
That's such a stupid name. There's got to be a more clever way to combine gayness with Dracula.

>>46817796
High-enough rank ones, yeah totally. Think like Luna or Helios or some really mean Idigams.

>>46817808
Figure that one out yourself nigger, I'm not the one who made the original fucking image.

>>46817796
Yes. The Firstborn have global tribes, Luna and Helios are obviously global entities. Smoke Drinker travels the entire world.

>>46817831
Dragula?

>>46817851
Dracuanal?

Oh, for fuck´s sake! Does anyone have a chronicles of darkness link for amazon, prefereable for germany? Searching amazon isn´t giving me any results.

>>46817902
Private sellers don't seem to have put it on there yet. You can get it on DriveThruRPG.

>>46817851
>>46817890
DICKULA YOU FOOLS

>>46817851
Dragula is just a fucking Rob Zombie song about a vampire car or some shit.

>>46817923
Thanks, going to try it there then.

>>46817902

Onyx Path does not currently sell through traditional channels like Amazon.

You need to go to Drivethrurpg, and thenchoose PDF or print-on-demand books.

>>46817924
No nono

Dongula.

>>46816625
I could deny that Slaine was the inspiration for Crimson Spasm, but I would be lying quite badly.

http://theonyxpath.com/quantum-frontiers-trinity-continuum-aeon/

>>46817947
Cocksferatu?

Isn't "vampire" already basically synonymous with gay?

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>>46817947
>>46817990
Perfect.

>>46817928
>vampire car
So does it drink like the gas from other cars? How does it bite them? Is it like a monster truck and it just consumes them whole?

>>46817977
The Auspice Gifts are really cool but Elodoth seems a little weak in comparison.

>>46818027
I don't fucking know, it's just the title. It runs on witches apparently though.

>>46818017
Yeah but we need a pun name.

>>46817924
>>46817947
>>46817990
Fagula

>>46818027
It eats the people who drive it.
Probably one of the God-Machine's gears, or a spirit-possessed car.

>>46817977
I honestly thought it was Cu Chullain

>>46818046
>runs on witches
Like, their blood? Or does it somehow capture their magical essence through its grill or something? It seems like there's a lot of unanswered questions surrounding this Dragula that I think we should look into.

>>46817977
It shows, it's fine and fits with the idea. So gross for imagery.

>>46818070
I'd just split the difference and make the car itself an Angel that creates its occult matrix by consuming the magically attuned drivers who are drawn to it. Maybe like, give a voice like K.I.T or some shit.

>>46818088
Dig through the ditches
And burn through the witches
I slam in the back of my
Dragula!

maybe it burns witches and uses the combustion for fuel

>>46818076
Well yes, Cu's riastrad is the ultimate origin, bu I was very much influened in implementation by the artwork of it through Slaine.

>>46818122
That's a cool idea, it's like a pyre on wheels. Someone write that shit up for Hunter.

>>46818045

Elodoth Gifts are quite good, they're just mostly not combat oriented. Everything doesn't involve or is suitable for hack-n-slash killing, and the Hunt most definitely includes the social sphere.

For example, I've played a Iron Master Elodoth attorney. He was badass, and what he could do to most of his adversaries was far worse than a straight-up battle.

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>>46818161
I think it's more of a Lancea et Sanctum car. It's certainly a vampire car.

>>46818122

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqQuihD0hoI

>>46818195
Seems sketchy to be around that much fire while you're a vampire driving and not being an Ordo.

>>46818221

Rob Zombie is definitely a Scelestus.

>>46818182
>Elodoth Gifts are quite good, they're just mostly not combat oriented. Everything doesn't involve or is suitable for hack-n-slash killing, and the Hunt most definitely includes the social sphere.
I didn't say it had to be involved with or be used for hack-n-slash killing.

The third one is basically a temporary merit that almost requires an existing merit (Allies or Contacts).

>>46817735
I want to use the Chronicles of Darkness system. I know about Numenera and The Strange. I want to use the system I like and am most comfortable with, as opposed to saying "you know what let's do something different". Most fantasy RPGs also tend to be a lot more out there compared to what I want to go for anyway.

I have been thinking about doing a full fantasy homebrew CofD hack, complete with setting, though. The core template would be people who are meant to be mythic heroes, though not really Scion or Exalted levels. The X-splat is what event made you a hero, with one of the divine concepts bestowing the mantle of power on you depending on whatever type of event made you a Hero, sort of like the way different Exalted get their shard (different as in Abyssals, Lunars, etcetera, not the different castes). The Z-splat would be whichever of the major guilds you ally yourself with, and they'd function sort of like a fantasy version of Shadowrun's megacorps mixed with a bit of Ravnica. I also want to use something like the constellations or Standing Stones from Elder Scrolls; not sure whether it should be a permanent bonus or something you can choose by praying at a shrine.

Elements of the template include a Hamartia (your Calling's downside) and a power stat called Arete. As your Arete grows higher, you suffer a sort of internal Disquiet, where you're not comfortable unless you're off adventuring.

I've thought about this a bit...

>>46818300
I think someone already made this. It's called Adventurer: The Quest or something like that.
Dunno how good it is.

Your order of Lore of the Clans 20th Anniversary Edition has shipped via Federal Express.

The Pack may not be out, but at least I have that to look forward to.

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>>46818337
That's me, I never actually did more than make a sheet and the barest bones of the Callings.

>>46818618
That sheet looks better than I expected out of a fangame.

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>>46818730
There's a reason they used to call me PDFAnon.

Although Mr Gone makes much better PDF sheets. I wish I could do that.

>>46819242
>There's a reason they used to call me PDFAnon

You're a twat?

>>46819242
>>46818730
>>46818618
Rory does good fucking work.

>>46819370

I'm surprised they haven't just tried to do graphic design as a living.

>>46819693
He refuses to work.

Quick question on oWoD vampire: if a pc wishes to protect another pc from getting hit, what are the rules for that?

I assume it's the regular Block roll, which is Dex+Brawl to block the attack, but then what happens if the pc fails? does he get hit or does the person he wanted to protect get hit? Do both get hit? I have a new player who chose a Guardian nature and he wants to do that since he's the tank and I am not sure if there are any rules about protecting someone else from the attacks

>>46819746
I'd say let them use Block; if they succeed, they take the attack, and if they fail, they miss and their charge is hit instead.

>>46817454
>>46817479
>>46817633
>>46817669
>>46817808
>>46817829
Thanks for the help.

Would the Uratha against such a society openly hostile?

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>>46819831
>Uratha openly hostile

hue

>>46819831
The Uratha are all about being part of Humanity. They would not be hostile towards them, without good reason.

Odds are, if you aren't going around adventuring, you're in a Pack, and you keep the city/town/village/area of whatever that is your Territory safe from Spirits, Hosts, Claimed, other Werewolves, humans/other supernatural threats, and Idigam.

>>46819824
Sounds good to me, thanks, anon!

>>46812765
>>46812825
>>46812833
Being a Fate Mage should have been enough to make sure it never went malignant in the first place, but she seems to have a terminal case of not giving a shit about her health.

>>46820093
She was busy but she only has 2 in fate

>>46819717

They're already working when they do things like that, they might as well start taking on clients.

Tell me, people that aren't gigantic faggots.

What do you feel is the optimum number of Garou for a medium sized Caern in WtA? I'm currently mulling over maybe 20.

>>46820188
> don't work because I'm a neurotic mess who had nightmares from working at a sub shop and who has difficulties interacting with strangers in the real world (a key part of any job).

So he can do it as a hobby, but not for other people or money.

>>46813185
He was apparently attacking the sleepers under her protection, and not for the first time. That's absolutely something the Pentacle will kill people for.

Using the Sleepers to do it while forcing them not to give a shit is pretty fucked up, though.

>>46820127
The Practice of Ruling would be more than enough.

Hell, Compelling could probably do it.

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Monthly reminder that Forgotten is the best Threshold

>>46820237
I'm pretty sure there are jobs you can do over the Internet.

>>46820343
He's claimed otherwise.

Though he has taken up online panhandling.
https://www.g0fundme.com/3cqqbsda

If anyone here wants a writing job at Onyx Path
http://theonyxpath.com/do-you-want-to-walk-the-onyx-path/

>>46820269

Nope. If she used Ruling or Compelling, she could move the fate around, but not get rid of it (which would be Fraying or Perfecting, depending on your perspective).

She'd have to make someone else's cancer go malignant to spare herself.

>>46820236
the optimal number is zero because apocalypse is a bad game, faglord

>>46820269
>>46820389

Even if she could fix it, why would anyone cast a "Don't go cancerous" spell on themselves? It's one of those things that there's no point doing until it's too late.

>>46820409
As opposed to the literary masterpiece that is Mage or Beast?

>>46820431
Mage 2E not out yet. And beast not THAT bad.

>>46820431
>>46820409

And then they learned that different people can enjoy different things and didn't piss up the thread with arguments over which game is better according to their subjective opinions.

The End.

>>46820318
Nigga what?

Stricken all day, Stricken erry day.

>"I beat cancer thanks to this one weird trick!"

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>>46820533
>person died from cancer and made a deal with a ghost
>dying from cancer is beating it

>>46820533

>Doctors hate him!

>>46820609
>person is so morally bankrupt they try and kill themselves
>die and then realize how fucking stupid they were
>ghost saves them, gives them power, new lease on life
>still an emo pussy

Waste of a bargain tbqh family.

>>46820669
You're thinking of the Silent senpai.

Forgotten is just bad luck

>>46820378

Graphic Design, especially freelance graphic design, can pretty much be done over the net with no problem, as long as your computer isn't a complete toaster.

>>46817425
Only in primitive societies. In advanced civilizations are animal totems weird.

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>>46819693
>>46819717
>>46820188
>>46820237
>>46820343
>>46820745
>>46820378
>I turn away and people are doing this
I do it as a hobby because it's nowhere near professional quality. I'm slightly above using Papyrus font and obvious edges on my cropping, but I'm not at all professional. Almost everything I do to make things look good isn't really my own work so much as it is knowing how to use things other people have made. That's why I use the borders from MrGone's website. I'm also, you know, a mess of a human being.
The guy who keeps posting my GoFundMe campaign is a creepy stalker who doesn't understand mental illness. I'm well aware that there are jobs you can do over the internet, that's why I was begging for money to fix my computer in the first place. Yes, I could freelance at OPP. But the likelihood that I'll just end up flaking is incredibly high.
Would YOU hire me? I can't even focus on the homebrew I do.

>>46820238
>sleepers under her protection

Sleepers she was mind controlling

FIFY

>Damn mages and their hypocrisy

>>46821115
She only started mind controlling them after they were in danger

>>46821183
She was mind controlling them the entire time (its part of her attainment, people listening to her DJ are under her control), that's what the other mage was annoyed by.

>>46821212
He had apparently attacked them repeatedly.

Emotional Urging also isn't the same thing as Psychic Domination.

new thread
>>46821282

>>46821303
No. Fuck you. We're not doing this.

New thread
>>46821389
>>46821389
>>46821389

>>46821303
>>46821402

Which one the real new thread???

I vote for the one with the lack of gratuitous Fagness.

>>46821607
A vote against forced memes is a vote you can believe in

>>46821015
how is worshiping animal totems fundamentally different from worshiping anything else? What makes gathering in a church & praising YHWH or Jesus any different from gathering in a church & praising Bear or Fish or whatever.
I don't really see how a society retaining animistic beliefs into modernity would be "weird" in any way besides the fact that it hasn't really happened IRL, save for very very tiny subsets of the population.