How do you feel about cheaters?

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In a casual competitive game: "Wow you sure showed me how much better you are."

In a cooperative game (D&D etc): "Why do you hate the idea of playing this game?"

In a tournament competitive game: Anyone caught should be banned from the game.

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mrw in an RPG with friends there is that one guy that rolls the dice and then makes up what it say and never ever fails a roll. Why, man, why do you do this?

In anything competitive, don't cheat. Lose with dignity, get better, then come back or get the fuck out.

>>46800771
I actually think it's okay to cheat, if cheating is common parlance. No need to limit yourself to lose if no one else gives a damn about the rules.

>>46801090
>Pledge 8, It's fine if you're not caught. But if you are caught, you loss.

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>>46800771
You can cheat if you are good enough to do it without anybody knowing.

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>>46800771
>that entire episode

>>46800771
I have been around those that cheat in rpgs and card games. These people usually have enough other issues to push them out of the group.

If anyone is enough of a sadsack to cheat in a cooperative game of make-believe I'm kind of inclined to let them have it so long as it doesn't impact anyone else's enjoyment (ie. they're unaware) and they aren't being particularly egregious.

>>46800771

Cheating is a one strike offense with me. If I find out someone I play with cheats, I don't play with them again.

>>46800771
They should be ejected from the group/game/tournament immediately, until they learn not to be a cheating shitbird.

>inb4 someone justifies their scummy cheating ways

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>>46800771
>cheaters

You forgot to add the qualifier "for unilateral advantage."

It's not 'cheating' if everyone can follow the example - it's just an optional mechanic for sneaky gits.

That said, before the platitude was modernised, the source of all evil was not called "money" but a term meaning "the temptation to hold advantage over others." tl;dr:

Cheating for unfair advantage is evil.

>>46805407
>I'm not cheating you should have just stooped to my level xD

>>46801795
>that entire anime/manga
ftfy
Watamote is a roller-coaster of secondhand embarrassment.

>>46800771
Player always picks up dice after rolling and just tells you the result.

Human garbage. In cooperative games it makes things too easy and cheapens victory, and in competitive it makes you a Yu-Gi-Oh! character. Either way you're That Guy.

>>46806948
Most the tables I play on you pull away failures, you leaves successes.

>>46805019
right away you got him
>>46805407

Cheating is typically accompanied by other "that guy" qualities

Story time

>be running apocalypse world Dark souls homebrew hak
>Predragonwars not long after dark soul was taken by Manus
>Players are allowed to pick any race they can imagine (plot reasons)
>Half Dragon thief style character raised by Vikings but is a coward
>humanoid turtle who is a wise sage/druid/pothead
>ChimaraDemiGod of the blood moon who is at odds with his father who is a god of another universe
>Magical fey pixie who worships a giant dildo flying in the sky he I tell him to elaborate about his character like so he shoe horns in that he lives in the Turtle's ass
>Turtle sage says he can live in Shell not ass they agree to disagree I rule Shell no domestic ass living if sage isn't cool with it
>game goes smooth for the joke characters the party make
>they meet Lord Gwen who explains they where pulled from an alternate universe to aid him (kill dragons for good)
>they talk to him like he is a peon and even threaten him
>expected.jpg
>shit happens and they are attacked in the courtyard for stealing and Fucking up a door
>Pixie is rolling and picking up dice before I can see no problem except he never goes lower than a 10 (2d6+ system)
>politely ask him to not pick up the dice after he rolls he agrees but is overly defensive that I'm implying him cheating
>after game friend confirms that he was indeed cheating and has a history of this along with other issues

What do you guys think about unintentional cheating, as in misunderstanding a rule about something and doing it anyways. I've felt scummy doing it in the past even when it's by accident and then realizing later I was wrong or shouldn't have done somethimg.

>>46807992

Continued

>few games later they have some levels under there belt and magic items in there pocket
>The half god was someone I thought would be a problem about optimization but I was dead wrong
>Pixie has moved all rolls to 2 attributes and raised them to current cap but can't explain exactly where his bonuses are coming from without a lot of back and forth and misdirection
>This occurs multiple times ending with him apologizing and erasing only to claim he remembers it came from _____ (nope)
>Also was told he was marking exp down when he shouldn't have


Apocalypse World has a unique exp system that requires a lot of trust as players mark exp when circumstances are met.

In the course of this game he threatened to kill the party countless times killed 4 player characters 2 where justified but the other 2 where for the luz and even wanted to change characters because he his "my magic isn't able to kill dragons"

The game in general was poorly done and I take responsibility for a lot of it going down hill so fast but that pixie is the one who pushed it over the edge again and again. Sad thing is he brags about how OP it was and how much fun he had OHK things even tho I wouldn't let him OHK a dragon with his rolls hitting 16+ most of the time.

>>46808133

I'm to honest and always point out my mistake as soon as I spot them even in the middle if a game GM typical response is if you can't fix it now do it after the game. Still feel scummy as fuck

As a GM if it isn't to broken or if I like it better how the player interpreted I tell them to keep it how it is. Unless it's raw numbers

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>This thread.
Ugh. Children and untermenschen that have enshrined their own weaknesses as some sort of 'virtue'.

>>46808317

>>46808317
ah, yes, friedrich nietzsche. the man who spent his dying days hugging a horse and crying, and also believing he was Dionysus. what a great, smart man to quote

>>46807992
>>46808184
>The game in general was poorly done and I take responsibility for a lot of it going down hill so fast but that pixie is the one who pushed it over the edge again and again.
The game seems like it was rolling just fine on the beer*pretzels lane, except that fairy is a total asshole that abused game's freedom to run everybody's fun.
Should've booted him early on.

>cheating is the gift man gives himself

>>46808764

Truth be told I'm a shit GM but only one with extensive tabletop experience I can typically come up with a plot, npcs, and even ideas for character development but I always seem to lose control of my group.


I started up a new game same group with a new addition and I planned on making it very clear that this kinda shit wouldn't be tolerated but two of my players beat me to it. It's funny when you see other players yell at another player for meta gaming/optimizing and this be there first session ever.

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lying about the results of a role in some rpg every now and then is not too bad, but messing with stats is a dick move and will only fuck over the rest of your team if you do. cheating in any competetive game is always a dick move for obvious reasons

>>46808133
its an honest mistake just fix it as soon as you notice

>>46808133
I prefer when it happens to give a different player an advantage than me because either way I prefer to just say what happened in the past is in the past and fix it from then on without reversing anything and I'd look like a piece of shit if I said that when an error is in my favor.

>>46808317
I'm right here with you anon.

Why doesn't anyone pay attention to us? How much more "mysterious outsider" can you get when you even try to stick out for attention on anonymous messaging boards? I swear if nobody replies to me in five minutes I'm gonna pee myself and scream.

>>46808871
I know you're quoting Mr. Burns but damnit cheating in a competition just shows you realized you were incapable of winning. I doubt a cheated award feels half as good as an earned one.

Also cheating in a casual game of any kind means you're a retard. Federal law.

>>46809827
>cheating in a competition just shows you realized you were incapable of winning
Not if he cheats and wins.

>>46809871
Competition is about proving who is better at the task at hand, not about proving who's the better cheater. If you cheat, you basically admit you couldn't win the competition so you changed the game.

Unless it's a cheating competition, of course, in which case go right ahead.

I don't know because I have never played with one. Whole concept seems very silly to me. What would one achieve by cheating in a roleplaying game? It's not like a game you can win anyway. Don't understand it in context of (friendly) board or card games either because why would anyone risk losing his friends over a little bit of endorphins he gets from winning the game? In competitive gaming I can understand it because money is usually involved. I don't approve that, but don't really care either because I'm not interested in competitive gaming at all.

However, if you meant like minmaxing and powergaming then I can understand it in context of D&D (which is arguably more gamist type of game rather than role-playing type) and it I think can be very fun if everyone is doing it, but outside of D&D (or similar gamist games) I find it to be very pointless and doubt many GMs would even allow it.

>>46800771
Depends on the game really.

If it's a casual get together over some cards, I'll bring it to everyone's attention and mock accordingly. Infact, if it's cooperative or competitive, that seems to work as well.

I'm not a fan of cheaters, it undermines the entire exercise of the evening. Hours of gameplay are rendered nearly moot if it turns out someone isn't jumping through the same hoops just because they're so insecure to even risk taking a loss.

>>46806813
The manga does eventually stop being OH GOD WHY NONONONONO! after only 48 volumes.

>>46810521
Really? What changes?

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>>46800771
I got cucked by a printout card.

>>46804370
>guy makes a rules blunder
>DON'T TOUCH ME YOU DIRTY CHEATER

Please tell me this doesn't apply to you.

>>46800771
Call me a moralfag, but I just don't see the point in cheating.

>>46810643
MC was probably kill or something.

>>46808434
>making fun cripples

10/10, would turn the other cheek to and then sue into the ground for breaking the law, just like Jesus told me to.

>>46800771
Confused, mostly.

>>46811123
>fun cripples

is that /v/?

>>46800771
string em up! some times the dice gods are with you and some times they're not. fudging your rolls because your ego can't handle a FICTIONAL character of yours having a bad day is bullshit.

>>46800771
It's not cheating if no one knows about it.

>>46807992
That homebrew gave me cancer.

>>46811788
You tell that to your boyfriend?

>>46812792
Cheating as per marriage rules can't be proper cheating, because at the very least your partner knows about it.
Cheating is only fine if you are the only one who knows about it.

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>>46808317
I don't really disagree with this as much as I probably should, but the whole concept of a game kind of falls apart if you ignore the rules

Unless it's a game where cheating is a feature, like munchkin or something

>>46800771
I love cheating rules when playing munchkin

I don't play with people who cheat.
If people who cheat show up at our magic the gathering events, I kick them out.

>>46800771
It's OK for as long as they don't get caught.

I don't mind them because I myself am a huge cheater. I never have been and never will be caught though, so no one is any the wiser.

>>46814142
>never will be caught
Typical thing someone who's gonna get caught says.

>>46814142
So do you actually cheat at RPGs? I'm just interested to know what would be motive to do that since you can't even win the game.

>>46814142
dont be a dick

I cheat at character creation, but only when I play Rifts
it's the only time dice rolls really matter

I mean, shit, if you're going to cheat, don't get fucking caught. I don't get cheating myself, it voids the entire process for me, but if you're going to be a faggot at least be discrete about it.

I have more respect for someone who cheats and cheats well than someone who fumbles it and makes themselves look a fool in front of everyone.

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>>46800771
Our store has a black list for everyone who are chronic cheaters, it's esstially a "play at your own risk."

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All I can do is talk to them like they are a toddler with a growing smile.
>say their name
>say their name in a deeper and longer voice
I mean I'll be fucked if they don't walk out of it feeling more embarrassed about how serious they take this shit than I do.

It seems to work.

I don't like her.

She is selfish.

>>46814150
Are you saying that because you think you would catch me? I'm telling you, you wouldn't and neither would anyone else. It's not going to happen.

>>46814276
Not RPGs no, just board/card games.

>>46814362
I'm not a dick about it, people just think I'm really good and always win but I don't give people shit for it or make a big deal of it.

>>46814831
Why wouldn't they?

Tell me your secrets anon.

>>46807992
>apocolypse world dark souls
>everything else

Why

>>46814831
its a dick move to cheat in card games.

>>46814769
You'll be a good dad

>>46800771
I cheat to counter shitty DMing, like insisting on rolled stats and hit points.

>>46801795
What happens

>>46810845
I remember my aunt doing this to me as a child. But she was a crackheads.

>>46814831
People probably just gave up or don't feel comfortable with confrontation.

>>46800771

> Uh, sorry, I can't clearly see the number...
> oh fuck, I nudged the die, sorry.
> What was that number, James? Would you say it was seventeen? I'd say it was seventeen

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>>46816333
>it landed on the ________ so it doesn't count!

>>46811788
shut the fuck up Kevin.

There's a guy in my group who has consistently high rolls unless he's positioned somewhere people can see his rolls. I don't care that much, it's not overly disruptive and I guess he enjoys it, not going to force some idea of integrity on him.

>>46800771
The only game I remember cheating in was "bullshit" and most of the time it bit me in the ass.

I cheated once. To lose, because I had an outrageous streak of good luck and didn't want people to think I was cheating.

The last guy who cheated at an FNM had his deck thrown across the room and was told not to come back.
It's pretty funny when an owner is a player who plays in his own FNMs.

>>46800771
my feelings about it are..

in a competitive game - it's pretty dick move

in a cooperative game - it's ok as long as everyone else you're playing with is ok with it and/or don't get caught

in a singleplayer game - who the fuck cares? if you want to cheat just cheat

as a method of greifing/trolling - it's only funny so long as you're not on the wrong end of it

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>>46816333
That's too bad, guess you should re-roll

>>46816133
Her younger cousin who thought she was awesome growing up realizes that she's a loser. The scene in the OP is when they go to the local grade schooler hangout, and Tomoko has to cheat to beat a little kid and maintain her reputation as their queen.

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>That guy who keeps stacking his deck yet still loses every single time

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>>46814831
>Are you saying that because you think you would catch me? I'm telling you, you wouldn't and neither would anyone else. It's not going to happen.

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>>46810521
>48 volumes
There's fucking 48 volumes of watamote?
What the actual fuck

>>46819341
It goes horribly wrong, doesn't it?

>>46819443
The only time I have cheated was when my younger brother started cheating at Yugioh.

He would always start the game with Lord of D, 2 BEWD and the magic card that lets you summons 2 dragons from your hand. So I just started stacking a Dark Hole.

It probably wasn't the best decision, but it was fun to turn his cheating to his disadvantage.

>>46821010
He meant 48 chapters. There are only 9 or 10 volumes, I believe.

>>46800771
"Fuck you, guy."

>>46821071
No. She wins and the kids are none the wiser. The cousin is the only one who notices, and it's the exact moment she loses all respect for Tomoko. Damn, if she'd been caught by the kids it would have been a whole new level of spaghetti.

>>46807177
> GOODBYE TO EXODIAAAAAAAAAAA

>>46821904
>>46821071
It's kind of a sweet ending in that she concludes that Tomoko is in a rough spot, so she should be nicer to her from then on.
That's right, her little cousin starts taking pity on her.

>>46823337
>That's right, her little cousin starts taking pity on her.

That's what makes it more cringe.

>>46821914
That guy was such a shit, I wish the showed had used him more