who's the greatest hero of the Empire and why is it Cain?

>>46758175
Because they fucked up and retconned Ollanius.

Because Ollanius Pius was retconned out of existence.

Literally propaganda

>>46758198
>>46758372
Did they finally retcon him completely?
Him not just being a man like any other ruined it all anyway.

>>46759007
He was a man like any other, you fucking mongoloid, but the GW retconned him because their a bag of docks obsessed with "muh spess muhrines"

>>46759898
Fuck, *they're and *dicks

>>46758175
Yeah it's Cain no complaints here.

>not Gaunt?
What are guys, heretics?

>>46760478

Gaunt and Cain are really very similar, but Gaunt seems to take everything far more seriously than it deserves. Cain kind of understands the outrageous nature of his ventures and is very self-aware of the lie built up around him. I've enjoyed both series but have to give it to Cain for feeling more down to earth.

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>>Any Imperial being a greater than Big E

Yall motherfuckers screwed up. I'll be waiting in my office for news of your self-performed execution

>>46760654
'Cause he was a great father, right?
Let's be real, Big E's self-centered ego (and xenophobia in the face of actual fucking daemons to fight) ruined the Imperium before it even started.

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>>46758175
>who's the greatest hero of the Empire

You mean HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!!

Hey any word if they are going to publish more cain novels or is the new black library only for serious novels about space marines I haven;t heard anything new from abnett as welll.

>>46760732
>during AoS xeno allies turned onto mankind
>the first Great Crusade skirmishes were about breaking out of the Sol system that was being raided by xenos
>out of countless planets that they encountered during the ~200 years of Great Crusade, only 2 human worlds had supposed alien allies
>all the big factions want to genocide or enslave humanity
It's not xenophobia if it's justified

>>46758198
>>46758372
He never existed, only in universe propaganda

>>46766073
This. There is 0 mention of any new Cain novel.

>>46758175
Gotta be Creed right?

trying to get my hands on the gaunt pdf novels.

anyone got them?

i can dump what i have of cain.

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>>46758175

>>46770907
>filename
John Cena?

Lord Goge Vandire.

>>46770926
I think it is the great Cato Sicarius.

>>46770926
I

>>46770907
I can no longer take him serious after TTS.

>>46758175
I see nothing wrong with this statement

>>46771063
>serious
Oops, meant to write seriously, my bad.

>>46770877

Unfortunately I have nothing to offer, but I would like to read the cain pdfs you have. If you don't wanna dump them though, I understand.

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Love him or hate him, you can't deny that Kaldor Draigo is probably the most powerful non-primarch, non Emperor human to ever live, being able to constantly survive in the warp with nothing but his willpower.

Yeah sure he's a Mary Sue, but that doesn't mean his deeds aren't canon, and if a hero is measured by his heroic acts I think he wins.

>>46758768
>Literally
Please stop.

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>>46758175
Nathaniel Garro.

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>literally has Hero in his name as decreed by the big E himself.

>>46758175

Wow, Cain is incredibly attractive for a WH40k character.

>>46771157
Draigo's straight up an Imperial daemon at this point, hence why he can get away with all the bullshit. At least that's how I headcanon it, makes more sense if you assume stuff like the Legion of the Damned and celestials are as well

>>46771464
It's propaganda, he dpesm't actually look like that. He uses a laspistol over a bolt pistol as well, as he's less of a "run and I'll shoot you" commissar, and more of a "lets do it for the emperor lads" commisar

>>46771536
I've seen that "Emperor is a chaos God, LoD are his daemons, living saints are like daemon princes or greater daemons" theory gaining traction lately, did they put out some new lore to spur this?

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>>46771536
Well, he appears in the material universe during daemonic incursions then is dragged back with the daemons when the link between realspace and warpspace is broken. It also ties in with a major point of his fluff, that he's ultimately powerless; he takes the fight to Chaos in its own realm but his victories don't actually matter, since all the daemons he kills simply reform, none the worse for wear (albeit probably a bit embarrassed). His efforts only really mean anything on the occasions when he pops out of the warp and helps send the daemons he came with back to hell, before he himself goes to rejoin them.

>>46758175
I guess Sigmar?

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>>46772206
OP clearly didn't mean that Empire. For the real answer, pic related.

>>46771555
Cain probably looks like Sam Vines.
>>46771690
No, it's just edgefags being edgefags. That theory's been around for 20 years.

>>46770877
please dump cain

>>46770877
>>46772678
I have Gaunt 1 if y'al want that

>>46772104
Imagine being a cultist and accidentally summoning him instead of a daemon, talk about shitting your pants

>>46758175
he often says that sometimes he feels like his life is set up on purpose the way it is for the amusement of the Emperor, I kinda wonder if that's not actually the case

>>46772901
kek

>>46758175
I'm pretty sure the greatest hero of the imperium is one of the primarchs.

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Its fucking Sangy

>>46758175
That's a funny way to spell Yarrick

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I've heard a theory that Cain is actually in a bizarre way more pious than most Commissars (most being the key word here), for he truly believes that the Emperor has bigger things to concern Himself with than Cain's own immediate welfare.
He seems to really think that the Emperor is dealing with problems that make even the situations Cain finds himself in look like nothing at all, and to cravenly hope and trust entirely to the Emperor would be pretty much wasting his time.
This belief means that Cain looks more to himself, his comrades at arms and his environment to succeed and not just blind faith. He believe in the Emperor, of course, and does pray to Him, but also upholds the idea of God(Emperor) helps those who help themselves.

The greatest hero of the Imperium was Malcador for holding the Golden Throne while the Emperor went off after Horus btw

>>46758198
>>46758372
>>46759007
no he is not... he is gone from the books but dammit what do we care. He is still cannon as far as i care! and the necrons aren't tomb kings... and the space wolves are moar viking than wolf.... and...and...*sniff* why GW.....*sniffsniff*... its a prank right, the cameras over there? please GW.....

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>>46776833
They can never actually retcon him unless they change the myth itself. Because that's all he was, a myth.

>>46768696
Uh, I remember reading his writer no longer works with BL and GW but I have no idea where I got it from.

>>46758175
>Gaunt
>Cain
>Garro
>Loken
>Draigo (still counts despite the wankery)
>Shrike

>>46758175
Because he's terrified of what he does and does it anyway, no matter what excuses he gives.

>>46777285
I'll fuckin' kill you m9

>>46776724
It's definitely a fact that Cain's nature makes him among the greatest Commissars in the Imperium.

Commissars are primarily Advisory, Political and Morale officers, and Cain excels in all those areas.
The fact that he does it because he's aware that better soldiers make better human shields (or so he claims) doesn't matter.

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>>46777900
Like how Imperial fairy tales claim Horus killed Pius?

>>46778548
Well I was going to stab you, not flay you from existence.

I mean I could try, if you'd like. But no promises.