Horus Heresy General

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>>46728730
First for beep boop lol

2nd for the VIIth

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>>46728762
poor perty, he didn't know what he was getting into when he made these

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>>46728780
he always suspected some trickery by Alpharius but could never prove it

>>46728793
Before you post anymore of these how many did you make?

>>46728815
3, that's it

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>>46728815
>>46728830
just kidding perty, here's a fourth

beep boop

>>46728850
>>46728793
>>46728780
>>46728762
Beep boop, son. Beep boop.

Who's the guy narrating Retribution? Its pretty clear it's written from the perspective of someone after the war, and they sign shit off with AK, but I cant figure out who it is.

>>46728875
Alpharius Kek.

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>>46728906
Alpharius' initials are GR though.

>>46728929
What are Omegon's initials though? The R is a given.

>>46728850
>>46728815
>>46728830
>>46728780
>>46728762

I literally missed all the jokes. Wtf ?

>>46728945
Eveiveneg Rocha?

>>46728948
the iron circle are a shit, overcosted unit and everyone likes to make fun of perturabo/make the iron circle act like trolls

>>46728730

ITT changes to HH you want but know will never happen:

>Terminator squads can take more then one heavy weapon per five (hell, if your willing to spend the points and real monies I have no problem with whole squads of heavy weapon terminators)

>Hardened armour allows rerolls of saves in CC/from gets hot

>Tartaros goes to 6++, thus creating harmony between the 3 suit variants instead of 2 being outright better for the same cost

>All LR variants go down by 50 pts

>Dreads go to A4 base/every legion has a special LA variant that applies to Dreads in addition to the wargear they already get (WE: Base LA, IH: Autosimulacra for free, NL: Trophies of im a sick fuck for free or just base LA, UM: legion rules apply, DG: extra armour+Ceramite (uniquely)/tankhunter?)

>>46728960
I like it.

>>46728875
Amandera kendel - ex sister of silence

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>>46728762
>>46728780
>>46728793
>>46728850
>mfw
>>46728968
They look badass

>>46728983
I don't think Idominitus armour existed during the HH, just Cataphracti and Tartaros, which is why the two are better than Idominitus. But I agree with void hardened getting a re-roll against gets hot, it seems suitable for mkIII

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>>46728762
>>46728780
>>46728793
>>46728850
No bullying.

>>46729029
It was mad during the end of GC.

>>46729054
Oh shit just looked at the entry for termi armour in the redbook and it has Indominitus right there. Also Saturnine armour when?

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>>46729046
Anyone else think the tubes in that 4" pic looks like he's putting in ringlets?

>>46728983
>Boarding shields become directional, like vehicle armour facings. From the front 90 degrees the model has a 2+/4++ save, but against attacks from other angles it provides no additional protection. In close combat a model may fire a ranged weapon (with +1 to hit due to the close proximity) instead of attacking normally providing they are only engaged in the angle covered by the boarding shield.
Utter bullshit I know, but I like the idea of it. Would make breachers powerful at pushing through narrow fronts but weak in an open field like they should be, rather than the weird come-assault-me objective squatting units they are now.

>>46729000
He looks like a german guy from The Fall of the Third Reich. And he has a cauliflower ear

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>>46729086
>Also Saturnine armour when?
Daily reminder. WHEEEEEEEN?

>>46729155
Unless you made a roman tortoise

>>46729155
>>46729176
Of course the UM eould go full testudo, they're romans in space. I think all boarding shields should get +1 to the ranged invuln if the users are in base contact. That doesn't sound OP.

>>46729175
2+/3++
A model in Saturnine armour may shoot two weapons in the shooting phase but may never receive +1 Attack for charging
Very Bulky, Slow and Purposeful

>>46729086
When FW does something meta the quality of the novel series and mentions book writing skinwallkers.

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>Don't like nurgle
>Don't like mortarian
>Don't like the death guard colour scheme
>Really like the dusk raiders colour scheme
Buuuuuuuut...
>Vastly prefer the death guard way of waging war over the dusk raiders (would just go WS or RG if that's what I wanted to play)

Wat do. Would it make sense to have loyalist DG who've repainted their armour still fighting in that "we're walking forward no matter what, oh and here's some dakka" style?

>>46729220
3++ sounds a bit strong.

Maybe 4++ but two wounds and they cost a heavy slot, also they can all cary a heavy weapon.

>Just better tyrants for everyone.

>>46729155

> fire a ranged weapon (with +1 to hit due to the close proximity) instead of attacking normally

IW players rock hard hard at the thought of HoO Breachers who rapid fire then assault and rapid fire again

>>46729233
Very much so, after all not everyone following Morturg was a Dusk raider veteran.

>>46729258
Sort of like 40k Centurions?

>>46729220
Obviously they'll come with two Heavy weapons. And true Slow & Purposeful.

>>46729275
Thats exactly why I greentexted.

I don't like that idea to much.

>>46729233
Well if you're not going full chem, yes - that was a Dusk Raider trait that Mort amplified, and fits with their terran origins (much like the Iron Hands, who do similarly)

>>46729233
Sure, why not? They can beat them at their own game. And Morty taught them to endure, they gotta use that resilience against the traitors.

>>46729279
I was thinking everyone can buy the heavy weapons without replacing their Combi-bolter.
>>46729290
I reckon 3++ is fine, it looks like their wearing storm-shield-pauldrons anyway.

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>>46729303
Jolly good. Sounds like that's the plan then.

>>46729086
Not to forget that a) Iron Hands Gorgon terminators use a modified indomitus armour and b) MkV power armour has its helmet copied from terminator one, and looks a lot like the indomitus helmet.

>>46729333
hnnnng, then it'd truly be better Tyrants for everyone. After AL and Fulmentarii, maybe that's why FW hasn't released them.
How about 2+/3++ T5 Hardened Armour.
>Dammit that's still just better tyrants

>>46729418
the Fulmentarii alone are bad enough.... i'd rather not see everybody get access to Tyrants...

Damnit, FW, let me have a ground transport for my terminators and terminator character other than a spartan or needing to take praetor with bodyguard.

>>46729565
Do you really think Fulmentari are some kind of competition for Siege Tyrants? They're ~70 pts a piece with Cyclone ML's....

If anything, they need a major buff.

>>46729587
"No, buy our Termie Command squad and use citadel paints! >:3"

>>46729565
If they'd make them expensive (points) enough to really only be a theme pick I'd be all for it.

>>46729601

Considering they both occupy heavy support, are terminators in cataphractii armour who can all be armed with Cyclone missile launchers, Yes, they compete.

Fulmentari are very expensive, especially at full size, but have tankhunter, BS5, night vision, and -1 to cover saves, plus LA:UM, so they can reroll 1's to wound

Basically, they cost an eye and a testicle in addition to the arm and a leg the Tyrants cost, but they flatout do everything better

>>46729418
Just limit the heavy weapons they can tank and lessen the invul.
>2+/4++
>Hardened Armour
>Can take some limited back mounted weapons (in the image it looks like a heavy bolter for the guy in front and an autocannon or something for the dude in the back)
>1 in 5 dudes can still take another heavy weapon for their arm
Hardened is actually big for terminators since the main weapons that can efficiently kill them are blast weapons like demolisher cannons and plasma cannons, especially the two wound terminators who are relatively safe from regular plasma cannons and plasma guns.

>>46728730
So what HQs do you guys recommend for an IW allied detachment? I wanted to take a master of the signal then found out they're non-compulsory. I really don't want to have to shell out for a full praetor

>>46730526
Siege Breaker is the fluffy choice.
Forge Lord id the fluffy and strong CC choice.
Chaplain is always ok.
Vigilator is always ok.
Everybody always forgets about the Centurion, poor Centurion.

>>46730526
Siege master or Centurion

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Heyooo /tg/
Starting to build my loyalist Luna Wolves list, wanna include the most loyal man ever, but dont wanna get the official FW model cause:
> Derpy as Fuck
> Sons of Horus Iconography
> Have to buy the equally derpy abaddon
So wandering if people can think of any other heads out there that look like him, can sort out the armour and wargear easily.

Oh also, did the loyalist Luna Wolves use the classic white armour colour after the betrayal? cuz i love the scheme so much.

>>46728730
>Astartes Comedy Power Hour With Tarik Sub-Edition
"What do you get when you cross a Space Wolf with a frog?
"An Astartes that can lick itself from across the room!"

>>46730660
>loyalist Luna Wolves
That's redundancy par excellence. Luna Wolves were always loyalist. Sons of Horus are the ones who aren't loyalist.

>>46730699
Fair point
Thought I'd clarify so people didnt think i was doing a pre-heresy army

>>46730660
Lupercal, brother!
If you want to use a bare head there's one in the vanilla vets box that looks like him. However, if you're using Luna Wolves colors I've found he looks better with a helmet that has a head crest. I ended up switching after a while.

If you do, don't forget to add the crescent moon symbol above and to the side of the visor

>>46730660
They didn't use white once the heresy happens, but who cares! Field them as Great Crusade era or say your splinter faction painted theirs back in defiance

>>46730699
You could have Loyalist SoH.
You could also run an alternate timeline kind of thing and have Traitor Luna Wolves, I suppose, if your group is into that sort of thing.

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>>46730736
Well said anon
> Pic related in my weird brain

>>46730660
>So wandering if people can think of any other heads out there that look like him, can sort out the armour and wargear easily.
One of the imperial fist command squads or the MKIV command Squad.

>Oh also, did the loyalist Luna Wolves use the classic white armour colour after the betrayal? cuz i love the scheme so much.
Some may have so it's totally fluffy for you to do so

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>>46730660
If you re-position the model a bit and give it a helmet it looks awesome
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>>46730736
>>46730885
Kill for the living, kill for the dead brothers!

>>46730684
I have a feeling this was a thing for his company. Just one night of the week there would be an open mic night.

>>46731061
The original Luna wolves colors are cool, but I have a hard time believing bolted on some old icons he had lying around and slapped on a fresh coat of paint in between rallying shell survivors and being bombarded by orbit. After Istvaan sure, but the next day? Probably looked like he did when he made planet fall plus continental scale fire bombing.

Mind you, I've only read the FW campaign books, haven't really gotten into the series.

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Changed my mind on the TS contemptor, turns out it's the shitty painting that made it clunky to me.

>>46731206
At least in 40k armor maintenance is part of marine's daily duties. Considering that in 30k prayer hours are non existent they would have plenty of time for recolored armor

>>46731563
so do you have a pic with non-shitty painting ?

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>>46730684
...but he's already there, or is he as long as the room? A long-wolf?

>>46731641
Oh snap

>>46731563
Looks nice!

Good job, man!

Favorite contemptor load outs?

I kept one of mine with betrayal at Calth with kheres autocannon but I don't know what I want for other ones.

1ksons btw

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>>46731206
Indeed. It is one thing to tend to your armour, and an entirely different thing to repaint it. This us how the loyalists at Istvaan III looked like >>46731609

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>>46729107
Hah, yeah. And on 6" he has one of those silly combs

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>>46729418
>>46730468

IMO part of the problem with Tyrants is that they now compete in the heavy support slot with Havoks, who really should have just been moved to the Elite slot

As a heavy choice they don't compete with the elite armoured dakka like other terminators/dreads/rapiers, and as elites Havoks don't compete artillery, vindicators or base heavy support squads, who are made completely obsolete in every situation except if you want volkites/plasma cannons, and in the volkite case BS5 pinning -1 coversave heavy bolters are probably better against whatever is weak to them

As far as saturnine armour goes, whats important is making them fulfill a different role then tyrants with base loadout and then have to pay to make something similar but less efficient in a different slot

Make them elites, Saturnine armour (2+, 5++ normal, 3++ if they havent moved, S&P, may fire 2 weapons a turn), Rotor cannon arm + carapace heavy bolter with CCW (not power weapon) base

Can:

Trade rotor cannon for combi-bolter/weapon or buy volkite charger/reaper cannon/plasma baster/heavy flamer

Can replace carapace mounted heavy bolter by buying autocannon/lascannon/multimelta

Can buy power weapon/fist/grenade harness

Sergeant may replace carapace heavy bolter for a cognis signum for free

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>>46731854
But aren't Tyrants elites again? Their entry page says Heavy, the Legion's page says Elites and FW usually fucks up, so the choice is yours.

>>46731942
they are both

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>>46731854
>Rotor cannon arm
Ew
>Can replace it for a plasma blaster
>Can replace their carapace weapon for AP2 weaponry
>Sgt can take a Cognis signum for free
mfw
>>46731964
Agreed.

>>46731942

While I believe that the line is a fuck up in line with FW usual terrible editing, because it says two and not three and makes no mention of the Iron circle robits, I would certainly approve of any decision that made tyrant wing a thing again

>>46732016
>makes no mention of the Iron circle robits
I know. But if someone told me "well, according to your reasoning then you wouldn't be able to even use the Iron Circle" I would answer "Oh noo! I won't be able to footslogg overcosted shit! Oh the humanity!"

Question here- would you guys run Fulgrim and Palatine Blades in a Storm Eagle or a Spartan?

The Palatines have Jump Packs and a split between phoenix spears and charnable sabres. Unless I should go with power swords instead of sabres?

>>46731942
They are HS, FW are notorious about not editing their copy/paste jobs, especially the Legion pages.

Greetings, /hhg/

I was asking about Alpharius yesterday and I think I have a good idea for a conversion.

I dropped 40k a couple years ago but I had been drawn to 30k for a while. Calth and some friends also getting in on it finally settled it for me.

Right now I've got 1.5 boxes of Calth (10 extra marines, 5 cataphractii), my Alpharius, bits for 10 headhunters, and a bunch of 40k marines lying around for parts/conversions.

Any recommendations on where to start, armywise? I was thinking a Pride of the Legion set up with Veterans, Termies, Headhunters, very infantry heavy with Alpharius poking around wherever. The Coils of the Hydra look neat, but I only have "modern" Rhinos and I don't know if that would be kosher. I'd be "borrowing" Fulmentarii, btw, because Alphamarines.

Looking to get to 2500.

>>46732195
Modern rhinos are A-ok and anyone who tells you otherwise is a retarded chucklefuck and should probably be killed desu.

Get headhunters and seekers, I was legitimately tabled turn 3 by a headhunter leviathal list today. I'm still in shock.

>>46728730
>FW releases Fulmentarii before releasing Tyrants
>Fulmentarii become Elites/Heavy support
>Tyrants are FAQ'd to be only HS
>After a while, Tyrant models are released
>They have a fuckhueg star on both their torsos and helmets
You're an IW player, what do?

>>46732242
I never knew that 2bh was word filtered to desu.

What is this weeb shit

>>46732242
>I was legitimately tabled turn 3 by a headhunter leviathal list today
I want to hear about it

>>46732302
s m h t b h f a m is filtered to baka desu senpai because it was annoying asian moot i guess

>>46732242
>I was legitimately tabled turn 3 by a headhunter leviathal list today. I'm still in shock.
Do go on, was it massed Combi-weapons?

>>46732283

>Decimates Internally

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>>46732195
Mars pattern Rhinos (aka. plastic GW) were used during the Heresy, as were MkIII Phobos Land Raiders (plastic GW), MkV Castaferrum Drednoughts (plastic GW), etc. We also don't have FW models for land speeders nor attack bikes, so GW ones are all we got to go on. And if GW attack bikes are ok, surely the regular ones should work as well. FW does make a whirlwind variant, but it uses the Mars hull (scorpius with the deimos hull is a different tank) and only different is the launcher. Surely GW launcher is as good as the FW one. And if we have Mars Rhinos and Whirlwinds, I don't see how the Mars hull Predator is a no-no, though I'm sure there's someone who'd come up with arguments against it.

>>46728983
Give me cameleoline Dreads !

>>46732302
Because it's better than nigger speak

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>>46732283

>>46728983
>No mention of LRs getting 12 transport capacity.
Not gud enough

>>46732376
I wish they'd redo the Rhino kit. It's old and looks like ass, and is a pain in the dick to put together, but so many kits rely on it that it'd be a logistical nightmare to replace. Imagine a sleek new plastic Rhino, with the option to make multiple 30k/40k variants to tie into BaC.

>>46732348
>>46732306

Yep, fucking combi-plasma everywhere. Alpharius giving everyone preferred enemy is fucked as well, I don't think they failed a single to-hit roll.

He was also running some javelins that hounded my jetbike praetor and his boys around the table, eventually forcing them right into his sicaran, so they were done for.

I think the main thing that ended up fucking me was the fact that my storm eagle and power wep vets were shot down turn two, meaning they were footslogging and a big source of vehicular "fuck you" was done for in my army.

All in all the guy picked me apart and was a good sport about it, shit was actually pretty fun looking back. 10/10 would get headhunter'd again

>>46732452
>12
fuck that i want 16+

>>46732503
Ouch!

I am a scrub, so please tell me:

Can you attack out of a Storm Eagle in the turn it arrives?

I stopped playing before fliers were a regular thing on the table.

>>46732550
No you can't; even though it is an assault vehicle you can't assault on the turn you come from reserves.

>>46732465
I like it. More than the Deimos.

Vast majority of kits that use the Rhino have the regular rhino sprues in them, as well as a separate sprue or two with the new optional bits. It wouldn't screw up anything. Well, as long as the new kit complies with the same side door, top hatch, front plate and cupola measurements.

>>46729204
That could potentially be neat if 40k had rules specifying non-vehicle direction. So something like
>Any model with a boarding shield has its existing rules
>Only gets its invul save if a model shooting at it is in front of it
>Moves normally but since direction matters they can only move half their normal speed if they are facing the incorrect direction (if the unit is moving in one direction but ome models are facing the side or back the unit can only move three inches)
>If two or more models with boarding shields are in base contact their invul save when being shot at improves by 1
So they are tough to kill but if flanked they die as fast as normal marines. On the other hand you can form a square or circle formation with them to protect from being flanked but the unit can now only move three inches a turn.

>>46732583
This. But you can spend a turn dodging AA fire, then switch to hover mode, unload your passengers, and assault.

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>>46732583
Ouch!

I like the idea of a despoiler squad in a Storm Eagle so much though...

You get a sturdy flier to go after enemy fliers and get a way for your foot sloggers to attack the enemy directly.

What happend to your veterans when their transport got shot down?

How did his Head-hunters perform?

I would like to know more about what point value you were playing on and what you brought also.

Stories are very welcome!

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>>46732621
I like this. But yeah, we'd need to implement non-vehicle facings. (We can, tho. Almost everything has only one face, except chaos sp...you know whats)

>>46732621
That would be cool.

You could measure arcs like in BFG and other naval games.

Question /hhg/

DG player, I want to get some fast units to support my troops blobs, which of these would work better:

>Land speeder squadron, either twin Heavy bolter or single Volkite Culverin

>Attack bike squad with auto cannons

>Bare bones predator squadron

Personally im leading towards the Bikes because cheapish points wise and can vomit out a lot of shots between cannon and twinlinked bolters, but im unsure which is cheapest in real dollars

Jutaerin got a rules update
Just checking, are the new rules in retribution or somewhere else, been looking through the downloads and cant find the updated rules, might be going full retard tho?

>>46732763
Yes, Book 6.

>>46732729
DG with fast outflanking support units... Well, Mortarion is going to kill you off on Istvan 3.
That said, the fluffiest thing would be a veteran squad in a rhino or something the like. Out of your choices though I'd go with the Predators. The rest are so un-Death Guard-like that you shouldn't want to be caught dead with them.

>>46732729
Not worth, take more heavy shit or small squads in rhinos/drop pods.

>>46732057
If I was going to field Fulgrim anyway I would probably say fuck it and give them all sabres since they don't need to inflict higher losses on the opponent to win a combat. Pretty much I see two ways of fielding Fulgrim.
1. Conventional primarch deathstar
2. Cheap escort unit
While the former is certainly as valid as any other primarch it isn't strictly necessary.

That being said if you want to go this route I say use either all phoenix spears or 50/50 spears and sabres. Also I doubt you would get much benefit from jump packs, so you might want to leave them at home. Another interesting idea is to combine Phoenix Guard and Fulgrim's combat resolution shenanigans to defeat enemy deathstars by virtue of having Fulgrim and Phoenix Guard together since they combined add 3 or 4 to wound resolution. If you are doing pre-heresy keeping Rylanor nearby makes it 4 or 5 to wound resolution for them and nearby units. This makes it a great focus point for an assault based army since it means even if you get rekt in assault you will still probably win the assault and due to crusader wipe out the unit you defeat.

On the other hand Fulgrim's +2 or 3 to wound resolution is still huge and since Fulgrim can utterly wreck enemy characters in challenges (primarchs excluded because those battles take all day) he doesn't really need a good escort. In this case you can just have a large blob of tactical marines with a medic for FnP. Total cost ignoring transports will only come to around 650 points (Fulgrim included) and it can still wreck any non-primarch or Scoria unit in assault.

>>46732729
predators look the coolest

>>46732833
o gawd, ultimate retard question
which page? >.<

>>46732986
Eh nvm I got my books confused, it's in the new red book. You can find Justaerin in the index.

>>46732057
Neither, I'd give Fulgrim Master of Ambush and infiltrate him.

>>46732465
There's nothing wrong with the current Rhino, it's one of the kits that have stood the test of time the best.

>>46732662
Headhunted guy here, my vets lost 8/10 in the crash, and the other two were stranded far away from all the good fighting. They were over 500pts including the storm eagle, so that was over 1/4 of my army gone turn 2.

Headhunters were ridiculously good with alpharius, killed anything unfortunate enough to wander into their LOS

We were playing at 2000pts, I had white scars and almost exclusively bikes and jetbikes, along with a recon squad who got alpharius'd turn two and a seeker squad who outflanked but ended up getting rended by a dual kheres dreaddie.

>>46733259
Did the headhunters also use plasma?

Also I just realies how nasty rend things are with PE enemy everything.

I know, slow.

Really nasty.

Same Alpha guy here, looking at something like this.

Alpha Legion - Pride of the Legion

HQ (322)
Praetor - cataphractii, combi-melta, paragon blade, digital lasers, power dagger, banestrike (187)
Centurion - Saboteur, combi-melta, lightning claws, artificer armor, refractor field, banestrike (135)

Elites (180)
Contemptor Mortis - 2 kheres, (180)

Troops (929)
Cataphractii - 5, banestrike, heavy flamer, 2 combi-meltas, 2 chainfist (239)
Veteran Squad - 10, banestrike, 2 heavy bolters, vexila, vox, melta bombs, Sergeant w/ powerfist, power dagger, artificer armor (335)
Veteran Squad - 10, banestrike, 2 missile launchers w/ flakk, vexila, vox, melta bombs, Sergeant w/ powerfist, power dagger, artificer armor (355)

Fast Attack (653)
Headhunters - 10, 1 heavy bolter, 4 combi-plasma, Prime w/ powerfist, artificer armor, melta bombs (318)
Seekers - 10, banestrike, vox, 4 combi-meltas, Strike Leader w/ powerfist, power dagger, artificer armor, melta bombs (335)

Lord of War (415)
Alpharius (415)

Total - 2499

Too much? Not enough? Anything look crazy out of place?

>>46733479
Where ma Laerneans at?

>>46733590
Behind you.

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>>46733590
Non Alpha legion player here, but they utterly baffle me.

How do they fit into AL playstyle? If anyone here was asked what kind of unit they thought AL should have, how many do you think would go, "oh yeah a WS5 termie squad I can use to punch shit with. Oh, and give them access to conversion beamers. You know, so they can fire it point blank before charging."

Goddamn it man.

>>46732986
I'm a Dark Eldar and I was getting hard on this anon's pain.

>>46733479

Banestrike/flakk missiles are a waste on a heavy squad, drop the both of them and take sniper instead, hell you could even drop the heavy bolters too to save on points

Take combi plasma on the seekers instead to help NOPE termie squads and because armoured ceramite, and don't bother with the heavy bolter on the headhunters

Use saved points to buy a proper ranged anti-tank unit, like a dual lascannon sicaran, remove melta bombs form sniper squads as needed to accomplish this

>>46733747

Vet squad, not heavy, fuck

>>46733259
Who shot down your storm eagle, headhunted anon?

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>>46733699
oldschool Alpha Legion, the guys who were out to prove they can do everything better than any of their brother legions, even terminators.

besides make such a fucking racket at the front door that nobody notices the dudes slipping in the back. Even the sneaksters gotta break out the sledgehammer sometimes.

>>46730660
Continuing from this (thanks for the advise btw /tg/)
Here's my 2000 point intro to the heresy
HQ
Garivel Loken
175 pts
x10 Justaerin
x9 Power Axe, Muli Melta, Heavy Flamer, Chainfist
600 pts

Master of Signal
Damocles Command Rhino, Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs
210 pts

Elite

Troops
Tactical Squad
x2 Chainsword each, Melta Bombs, Artificer Armour, Rhino
210 pts

Tactical Squad
x2 Chainsword each, Melta Bombs, Artificer Armour, Rhino
210 pts

Tactical Squad
x2 Chainsword each, Melta Bombs, Artificer Armour, Rhino

x15 Reaver Squad
Melta Bombs, Artificer Armour
300

x15 Reaver Squad
Melta Bombs, Artificer Armour
300

Fast Attack
x9 Seeker Squad
Banestrike Bolters, Artificer Armour
265 pts

Total: 1,850
got another 150 points left, aiming to go up to 3000, any advice?

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>>46733823
> Shit forgot pic related
MoS goes with seekers, justaerin deep strike with RoW: Black Reaving

>>46733823
O gawd completely forgot what i was doing with loken
gimme a sec

>>46733479
With this kind of list you're probably better off going for Primarch's Chosen instead. Saves you a bunch of points on HQ choices you can put into diversifying your assault.

>>46733777
That fucking Sicaran, lucky sevens. Got immobilised due to shitty rolls all around. Counting it up, a 200 point model took out about half of my army

>>46733699
as with all things alpha, they are not what they first seem: there chargers and Obsec make them nice mid/far field objective takers. but then they can take power/chain fists, and are WS 5 so make good counter charge units.
Also thwe chap can have 5 attacks on the charge (3+power dagger+charge) making him a beast to challenge, or super nasty vs tanks if you give him a chain fist.

oh and as for the conversion beamer: its a trap option, its both expensive and long range IE not where they should be

Harrowmasters are just AL chapter masters right?

>>46734060
Nah, they're White Scars diplomats.

>>46733479
Why give your saboteur lightning claws? He'd just one model, he'll get overwhelmed fighting anything worth clawing. Give him a power fist + meltabombs and have him hunt vehicles, and give him a better way of moving about the board (jump pack or jetbike, not sure if he can actually take them though)

>>46734060
They're Space Wolves scholars

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>>46734066
>>46734137
I should have just googled first instead of asking you guys. Now to enjoy grilled chicken.

>>46734060
Thwy're death Guard psykers

>>46734101
Comes with meltabombs standard and isn't allowed a powerfist...

>>46734060
Imperial Fist vigilators.

>>46734210
Fair enough, but the point still stands, if he gets into a situation where he's actually using those claws he's probably fucked. Also combi-melta is poo poo due to armoured ceramite, unless you get lucky on your precision shot roll and want to snipe a sergeant or something

>>46734210
Not giving a man his well earned power fist, now that's the definition of insanity

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So for Alpha Legion, do you guys prefer seekers or headhunters. i really cant make up my mind:Seekers have much better ammo, with hugely more flexibility and range, and its WAAAY cheaper to have a group of 10, but the headhunter have better everything else: Native infiltrate, combi-bolters for days,power daggers, even heavy bolters if they want.

AHHH, i dont even.

>>46734276
He could be useful for cleaning up the last remnants of a squad that anything else would be overkill against.

>>46728730
Dubs, pick what my Alpharius is disguised as

>>46733699
I like the idea of deepstriking an objective and zzaping an enemy tank on the opposite side of the field.

>>46734338
Your dick plot twist, you were a girl all along

>>46734338
A chicken dinner

>>46734276
With claws he can eat up small squads and the like. The free penetrating hit and bombs should handle a vehicle or two. Nothing to do with armored ceramite beyond throwing more attacks at it.

>>46734373
no, because he cant be disguised as something he already is
because he is always a winner

>>46734338
A spartan.

Makes disembarking when he reveals himself akward.

>>46734365
I think that's make me a daemonette. Or at least expose me as one :^)
>>46734395
Aaaaaay

>>46734276
Not everything has armoured ceramite, just the really expensive things like Spartans.

You can still challenge, you can still join a cc with another one of your units.

I wouldn't go for the Claws either, take something a little cheaper, but you do want a cc weapon on the dude. I would take the combi-melta 100% of the time though, unless I really really needed the points.

>>46734328
Very true, but he's footslogging, if they're on the other side of the field he cant do much. I just noticed that about the entire list, it's all footslogging, or does Alpharius give everyone infiltrate? I cant remember

>>46734424
Saboteur can't join other units my man

>>46734338

Scoria.

Wait, just leave him like that. He's better that way.

>>46734424
Maybe it's just my meta. Pretty much everyone takes armoured ceramite on everything they can, we're shit scared of melta

>>46733823
Man, thats a lot of boots on the ground.

I worry how you would handle ,assed tanks, fliers or termies.

>>46734462
>Disguised as Scoria
>How did Alpharius killed Horus?
>He was pretending not being a manlet

>>46734431
Alphas can take infiltrate or scout on everything.

>>46732503
Can you post what you felt his list comprised of?
I play Word bearers, close pal is just getting into Alpha Legion.

>>46734338
Himself, the terrian, or your dice.

>>46734458
Doesn't mean you can't join an ongoing combat, or that another unit can join yours...

>>46734466
Well, in that case there is even more reason to spend 10-20 pts on combi-meltas, if it keeps people spending something like 80 pts on Ceramite. In the end it's still a str 8 ap1 shot, still molests most vehicles from the back and is still guaranteed to pop a marine.

In the end, I'd still take Vigilators though, AL with infiltrate+scout+cameleoline+move though cover is not a bad deal.

>>46734537
Oh shit I thought that was just coils of the hydra

fucking AL nerf when

>>46734573
>Joins an ongoing combat
>Uuuugh, here comes Trevor again
>Everyone consolidates away from Trevor. Even the enemy.
>Trevors fails his morale check.
>A crater overruns him
Sad.jpeg

>>46734431
Saboteurs start in reserve and I believe have outflank.
>>46734338
Omegon, duh.
>>46734626
>A crater overruns him
Tactical assault moons?

>>46734568
I know he had a sicaran (fuck that sicaran in particular), Alpharius, 2 Javelins, and I think the rest was just filled out with infiltrating headhunters and his cataphractii praetor & command squad

>>46734678
Yes, it happened on Autilon's moon.

How good are Red Butchers compared to normal Cataphractii. because if i sub my butchers for Cataphractii i can afford Kheres for my mortis-contemptor instead of autocannon

>>46734802
depends on what you want to do with them

for a deathstar i like the cataphractii better on paper, for 5 men in a LR to crush stuff butchers seem better

>>46734802
WS5, 3 attacks each, 2 wounds, fnp, hatred. They are a lot better as long as you make sure you deliver them into CC. A spartan is almost a requirement.

You should always, always, spend the 15 extra points to have Kheres rather than autocannon on your Mortis contemptor. 15 is so little, you should be able to shave it from a whole bunch of other things. Take 2 less tacticals or something. Honestly, the Mortis Contemptor is not worth taking without Kheres. Take a boxnaught Mortis instead if you want different guns.

>>46734338
A sex toy

>>46734338
horus

>>46734338
Janus

>>46734338
A thunder warrior

How would a Questoris Knight army fare against a Warhound?

I'm fielding a Lancer, a Cerastus and an Atrapos. I have a feeling that the turbo lasers will wreck my shit.

>>46734002
What does that do? Which book is it in?

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Iron Hands: Why does nobody play this god tier terminators?

Also, how the hell do I run Immortals in this game? they cost more than termies, are worse than termies. I'm trying for secondary list since retribution with the immortals as troops list.

>>46735374
Book 6, makes your primarch an HQ choice, makes vets/terminators compulsory troops.

>>46732376
I think its mostly people who are obsessed with modeling that "muh 30k look" that would be against using tons of plastic kits. Personally if the army is nice nobody would care.

Anon with the Iron Warriors trying to build the greatest battleship here. I have a question on would it be okay for them to recruit marines who were stuck on garrison duty and other of the like?

>>46735386

I'm fond of the idea of immortals in a LR outflanking and shooting shit with volkites

Your suppose to just use them to run around shooting shit and being tough, so basically just like every other IH unit

A couple of squads mounted in LR, with your toughness 6 attackbikes/jetbikes flying around shooting and being tough while your mechanicum buddies rain phosphex on weak fleshlings sounds like fun

>>46734315
anybody?

Give me a justification for traitor Ultramarines.

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>>46735548
all ultramarines are traitors

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>>46735632
>not "Make Terra great again"

>>46735502
Eh, it's AL. So it depends. Headhunters having infiltrate is as much downside as it is upside because there is a realistic chance of doubling up on that. Heavy bolters are a trap. Combi bolters are good. Seeker ammo is better but tailored against enemies you are not likely to face (nonmarines, ie guard, eldar, nids). I'd favour Headhunters.

But really, I'd skip out on both of them and just take Vets or Tacticals.

>>46735502
Seekers seem more versatile, Headhunters more specialized to killing d00dz.

>>46735548

1) Warrior lodge

2) Saw the power of Chaos during the Battle of Calth and decided they wanted a slice of that

3) Saw the power of Imperium Secundus and decided they wanted a slice of that

>>46734718
Thanks mate

>>46732283

nothing, ill just grab some Catapractii and convert my own cyclones..

on the other hand, i'd be seriously pissed if they made a shitty Kyr Valen mini

>>46734718
>>46732503
I've never seen javelins's run before. Did he swap out for TL-Lascannons and Multimelta? I assume he had 2x HK Missiles as well. Are they just tank hunters at that point? Or did he keep the Cyclone Missile Launchers on them?

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Hello /tg/, I'm back with stencil ideas with my thousand sons.

I don't want to plaster scarabs everywhere, but there's basically no examples of non-scarab TS stuff in the art. Since I'm a bit jealous of the cool filigrees the alpha legion and emperor's children get I decided to try... the egyptian lotus? It's not something anyone would look at and go yeah that's TS as fuck, but does it fit?

As a bonus, it could work pretty well as a split pattern on the Leviathan's plates.

>>46736103
All of them look good.
Read up on it thoug, egyptian occultism an believes.

>>46733823
sorted it

RoW: Black Reaving

HQ
Garivel Loken
175 pts
Command Squad x5
Rhino, Melta Bombs, x5 Combat Shield , x5 Charnabal Sabre
250

Master of Signal
Damocles Command Rhino, Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs
210 pts

Elite
x10 Justaerin
x9 Power Axe, Muli Melta, Heavy Flamer, Chainfist
600 pts

x2 Contemptor Mortis
Lascannon each, Havoc Launcher each
400

Troops
Tactical Squad
x2 Chainsword each, Melta Bombs, Artificer Armour, Rhino
210 pts

Tactical Squad
x2 Chainsword each, Melta Bombs, Artificer Armour, Rhino
210 pts

Tactical Squad
x2 Chainsword each, Melta Bombs, Artificer Armour, Rhino

x15 Reaver Squad
Melta Bombs, Artificer Armour
300

x15 Reaver Squad
Melta Bombs, Artificer Armour
300

Fast Attack
x9 Seeker Squad
Banestrike Bolters, Artificer Armour
265 pts

x7 Outrider Squad
Sergeant, x2 Power Sword, Melta Bombs, Twin Linked Plasma Gun
230 pts


x7 Outrider Squad
Sergeant, x2 Power Sword, Melta Bombs, Twin Linked Plasma Gun
250 pts

Total: 3,000

MoS goes with seekers, Justaerin Deep Strike

>>46734315

If you have alpharius and aren't taking infiltrate as your tactic the headhunters are a lot better, since neither the preferred enemy nor the infiltrate are doubled up

if you take infiltrate and/or don't have alpharius then seekers are probably better

>>46736228
Which is why vets/tacts are better: you don't have to lock in your mutable tactics during listbuilding.

>>46736228
Didn't headhunters lose PE with the new book?

>>46736667
Alpharius gives everyone in the army PE

How are fliers in 30k I've heard good things about the fire raptor and assault ram but never seen them on the table?

>>46736720
... Sorry, I got your initial logic backwards.

>>46736758
All of them are good and can sort of fill a niche quite well

>lightning: Glass cannon fighter, can be customized to do nearly anything

>xiphon: basically just a better lightning

>Storm eagle: assault craft for your dudes, can do air superiority pretty well if that's what you want

>Fire Hawk: slays infantry with its BRRRRRRT, can also be good for killing aircraft

>caestus: turns assault craft to 11, can thoroughly insert your boys straight up the enemies poop chute

Anvillus and Kharbydis are flying drop pods with some cool shit, don't really know what else to say about them

>>46736838
Different anon: same Alpharius

>>46732057
> giving Fulgrim an escort
> not Phoenix Guard

FW did patch them, they pretty sweet now
Also use a caestus assault ram

>>46736758
Well, anon just shared with us how he lost a good chunk of his army on that downed storm eagle, and there is lots of AA in 30k

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Speaking of seekers, how do you paint yours? Im painting mine with administratum grey and the sword brethren shoulder pad in pic related, but wanted to know how others paint theirs.

>>46736217
Fuck me, forgot the fucking jump packs for the reavers

I like Dreadnoughts and thus have a bunch of boxnaughts are they any good in 30k alongside 1-2 contemptors, I know theres a RoW which makes them troops but it seems pretty awful compared to just taking them as elites and not having to take 2 extra HQs and giving up more victory points

>>46737227
Dreadnought RoW is the worst kind of bad.
Boxnaughts are ok with 2x ccw, though now the Cortus is only 10 pts cheaper they're not nearly as interesting.
They're also better than contemptor mortis as long as you want a non-kheres gun.

They can also fit in regular drop pods, so podding some in is economical when compared to podding in contemptors.

Overall they're not great, but not useless either.

I think Cassian Dracos might be on a boxnaught frame? Though I'd convert him out of a Leviathan frame to represent his AV 14 and all around awesomeness.

>>46734338
Roboute Guilliman

>>46737693
>Boxnaughts are ok with 2x ccw

Do they actually survive into a fight?

>They can also fit in regular drop pods

Where can I find this, the red book only gives them the dreadnought drop pod.

>>46734338
Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka.

>>46737985
Not really, Cortus has AV 13 front and a 5++ vs shooting as well as options for faster movement for only 10pts more. In combat they're equally as good I guess.

Orbital assault allows them regular drop pods, for entire talons even, if you like that sort of thing.

>>46734338
A Dark Angel marine

>>46737951
Winner winner, aloha dinner

Dark Angels have no unique units yet. right?

>>46738284
Yep, none of book 6s legions have units yet

>>46738217
Sucks, man. I'd really love some boxnoughts, but right now I can't find any reason to field them. Only one I got is a lascannon mortis for air defence, but it looks so lonely without any friends.

>>46738342
Alright.

I was thinking about starting 30k with Dark Angels and if they don't have any unique units yet I can just work with the basic ones for now, thanks.

>>46734338
Alpharius. Nobody will suspect that it is actually him

>>46728730
Read Horus rising right now.
Eidolon is a douche and fuck Ererbus eith his Crozius.

>I bet he is voiced by Ron Perlmann

>>46738608
I kinda want to make Luna Wolves.

Horus was likable, Aximand and Tarik were bros and Loken was a bretty cool guy.

Then Erebus ruined everything.

>>46735481
Anyone?

>>46735481
>>46738852
do you mean like pulling from the IWs left behind to garrison conquered planets? Probably, as long as they have an officer with sufficient authority to issue such an order.

>>46738732
Even abby was gudd.
Also the Lodge they described seemed pretty cool.

It seems as the 40k Imperium are right again, as nozhing nice seems to be able to endure.

>>46738910
Well the head of my dudes is a Warsmith so everything checks out for IWs. I was sort of talking about other legion's left behind marines though.

>First Memetic
>Lorgar discovers the ancient, forbidden archives of pre-DAoT Terra filled with corrupting imagery and begins his path to heresy

>>46739031
That would take some in-house authority, then. Barring an emergency or extremely high-level countermand (IE, from the Emperor himself) pulling another legion's troops from ongoing duty would be damn near impossible.

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Alpha Legion list 2500

HQ-120
120: Legion Centurion - Vigilator, Scout Armour, Melta bombs, Retractor Field, Power Sword, Power Dagger

ELITES-360
165: Legion Rapier Weapons Battery 3x, Laser Destroyer Array 3x
195: Contemptor Mortis Dreadnaught, Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon, Havoc Launcher

TROOPS-670
335: Legion Tactical Squad 20x (+10), 20x +1CCW, Legion Vexilla, Sergeant with Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Dagger and Power Fist
335: Legion Tactical Squad 20x (+10), 20x +1CCW, Legion Vexilla, Sergeant with Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Dagger and Power Fist

FAST ATTACK-760
380: Head Hunter Squad 10x (+5), Combi-Plasma 8x, Heavy Bolter with Suspension Web, Headhunter Prime with Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs and Power Fist
380: Head Hunter Squad 10x (+5), Combi-Plasma 8x, Heavy Bolter with Suspension Web, Headhunter Prime with Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs and Power Fist

HEAVY SUPPORT-175
175: Legion Sicaran Battle Tank, Sponson Lascannons

LORD OF WAR-415
415-That Primarch Guy,

120 HQ
360 Elites
670 Troops
760 Fast Attack
175 Heavy
415 LoW
2500 Total

Vigilator in scout armour allows some seriously sneaky business, as well as infiltrating the Legion Tactical Squad he's with. Mutable Tactics will likely be tank Hunter, but obviously change as needed. Laser Destroyer Rapiers are my primary anti-tank, and excel at that. Dread is just amazing and great for killing blobs; but can go AA if needed. Troops are Troops, as 1 will join the Vigilator it will get close quick. Not sure if they need Vexillas 2 full squads of Head Hunters with Plasma, to kill anything with ease, not sure on the Heavy Bolter in there. Sicaran is amazing, not sure if I should scrap the Contemptor for a 2nd one honestly. Lastly, Mr. Alpha himself. He'll probably go in the unit infiltrating close, but who knows, he's Mr. Alpha after all.
Thoughts?

If I make a custom suit of terminator armour for my forge lord, can I run it as a terminator armour of my choice?

>>46739169
I see. I'll just stick with IWs then.
>>46739273
I'd let you do it if it bares some resemblance to the armor of your choice.

>>46739181
Infiltrate isn't conferred from a vigilator. Only scout is

>>46734338
Your mom

>>46738357
Just flood the field with AV12, they cant kill them all if there's enough.

>>46739398
If he has Scout Armour, he gets both Scout and Infiltrate.
If a unit has both the Infiltrate and Scout special rule, that unit can deploy as per the Infiltrate special rule and then redeploy as per the Scout special rule.
This makes them get up close quick.

>>46739398
Infiltrate only requires one model in the unit to have it. if the vigilator takes scout armor, he gains infiltrate and move through cover (also on a 1 model per unit basis)

>>46739450
>Infiltrate only requires one model in the unit to have it.

Not anymore, thanks to the latest GW FAQ! Its retarded and I hope they remove it when they release the next FAQ.

>>46739181
Primarch's Chosen, Tactics Infiltrate or scout 95% of the time.
HQ
Alpharius (415)

Troops
10 Terminators, 10 Combi-plasma (395)
10 Terminators, 10 Combi-plasma (395)
20 Tacticals, ccw, armour, fist, dagger, apothecary (365)
20 Tacticals, ccw, armour, fist, dagger, apothecary (365)

Elites
Mortis dual Kheres (180)

Heavy Support
Sicarian lascannon sponsons (175)

Total 2290

Basically a more streamlined version of your list with points left to spend, Laser Battery isn't in there but you might want to buy another Sicarian, Mortis, Laser Vindicator instead. Fire Raptor also fits exactly and is likely to come up fairly often as a reserve roll Alpharius can steal.

>>46739447
>>46739450
It got FAQed, infiltrate is no longer granted.

Because that's totally what they meant when they wrote that rule.

>>46739320
It's basically cataphractii legs (because of the armoured up and segmented pieces were just so mechanicum) with some modifications and a segmented metal tabard. The torso is a modified GK one for a less boxy look and more of a high tech super-power armour. On the back of the torso I mounted some instruments and servo arms. Arms are just indomitus ones with segmented shoulder pads.

I'm trying to figure out where to mount his conversion beamer. At the moment my options are a spare assault cannon arm, a GK psilencer arm, or just having it mounted on his back. But to mount it on his back would require it to be quite small, because I don't want him to have a massive howitzer on his back.

>>46739557
I'll say it's Cataphractii.

>>46739545
No kidding! Must have missed that. Damn...
Well, he doesn't need the Scout Armour then.
What else on the list then?

>>46739545
That's a bummer, makes running a couple of my lists much tougher now, back to the drawing board I suppose.

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>>46738732

And he knows it. And it pleases him.

>>46739637
Vigilator in scout armour still gives scout, stealth, and move through cover. But if he has infiltrate he can only join headhunters unless you've given everything else infiltrate too.

>>46739699
Thanks for the updates on that.
Still likely the same plan, just less effective.
Don't think he'll be joining Headhunters just because he's redundant there.

Which of the Traitor Legions do you think believed in the Great Crusade the most before the Heresy? A lot of them seem like they just had the attitude of being a bunch of butchers (which, to be fair, isn't inaccurate).

>>46739637
Oh, and also in general, your vigilator gets nothing from having a power dagger as that only helps grant specialist weapons an extra attack and you've given your dude a sword.

>>46739776
As>>46739489, your list seems to have no need for anymore HQ choices apart from Alpharius. Strongly consider running Primarch's Chosen so you have more points to spend on units Alpharius can buff.

>>46739828

Word Bearers maybe.

>>46739828
SoH EC IW DA

>>46739828
Word Bearers, without a doubt.

>>46739181
There's no reason for that power dagger on the Centurion. Power daggers are specialist weapons, so you don't get an extra attack from it unless you have another specialist weapon.

>>46738608
Read Fulgrim, you'll have all the more reason to think that eidolon is a douche

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>>46739855
>>46739828
>IW
:^)

>>46739841
Will drop the Power Dagger then and save 5pts!
If I went that route, what should I add in with the dropped Vigilantor?

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>>46739855
>DA

>>46739855
>>46739855
WB, no contest.

>>46739928
Tried it , but Fulgrim was just annoyjng in that one.

>I wear a Toga, do as I say or I shall wear my angry Face and pout!

I want to like Ec..

>>46735455
I haven't found many.

There's definitely opposition to 40k paint schemes, and that makes sense to me. Armies shouldn't necessarily be usable in both settings without any changes.

But FW went out of its way to make it clear that 40k Rhinos, Land Raiders, and Terminators were around in 30k.

>>46741203
Oh Fulgrim you lovable flower pot.

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>mfw i just realized that augmented inductii sergeants with powerfists are strength 10
rape train has no brakes

>>46738217
Cortus is 6+ against attacks from the front arc only and no invuln in cc

>>46736905
Primarchs can't ride in a Caestus

>>46741768
>Primarchs can't into ram
Nobody tell Angron.

>>46741768
They can, they just simply occupy the full 3 spaces instead of simply one (Caestii's transport rule ignores "Bulky", not "Very Bulky"). So they can ride along with 7 terminators.

>>46741919
"[...] the Caestus Assault Ram has a transport capacity of 10 models, but may only transport models in power armour, artificer armour or Terminator armour (the latter of which do not count as having the Bulky rule in this specific instance)."
-LACAL pg. 59

All the Primarchs have their own special snowflake named armour.

>>46741203
Fulgrim (the book) frustrated me so much, because McNeill came so close to vastly improving the EC's fall from grace, but he fucked it up. I mean, the old IA article basically summed up Fulgrim's fall to Chaos as 'Fulgrim was a cool guy until one day he went out to ask Horus if he was okay, Horus pumped him full of Slaaneshi drugs and suddenly evil primarch lol'

Yet the early HH novels actually had the basis of a great fall from grace with Fulgrim and the EC's single-minded obsession with perfection, like Lucius bitching internally that nobody was complimenting him on taking down the traitor guy on Istvaan (because everyone else was a little preoccupied with the Warmaster betraying them). That could have been played out into a great self-destructive behavior.

Instead we switched over from 'pleasure drugs lol' to 'eaten by a sword' with a half-assed attempt at 'Fulgrim and Ferrus were the bestest best buds ever' with the Iron Hands being played for fools every time McNeill needed the ECs to do something cool.

>>46741288
>Armies shouldn't necessarily be usable in both settings without any changes.

Why not? I purposely build my armies to be 100% accurate and usable in 40k and 30k. It just means I can't take 30k only stuff and when I play 40k I have to re-arrange my tactical squads.

A Mk VI Raven Guard marine is a Raven Guard marine. A Deimos Rhino is a Deimos Rhino. Why should I care what some autist sperg thinks if he doesn't like me using Deimos Rhinos in 40k or plastic Rhinos in 30k?

I've probably been playing 40k longer than they have anyway, and have been playing 30k since before it was even a system and was a handful of cosmetic 40k models FW made to promote the Badab War.

>>46742078
Don't forget that Horus raped Fulgrim.

>>46742030
I really doubt that primarch armour wouldn't be considered some form of artificer armour.

>>46742101
Fulgrim gets raped in the book's followup so it's not like much changed there anyway

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>>46742030
I don't see the issue.

>>46742266
But the people who were hoping for Primarch slash fiction got disappointed.

>>46742314
I don't see the text.

I'm sure ants could read it for me though.

>>46742323
They got plenty of slash fiction between Ferrus and Fulgrim. Along with plenty of hack.

>>46742348

I'm blind in one eye and I can read it just fine.

>>46741348
Shame Excortation of Butchery has no effect on models that are Characters, or else the sarge could have punched a Knight to death with his 6 Str 10 attacks on the charge. Sadly, due to the bit about Characters, he only has 5 attacks.

>>46742378
Confirmed cyclopean ant

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>>46742314
Alright. Does it work for Curze?

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>>46742348
>same size as the window text.
Don't be a faggot.

>>46742442
>artificer suit

Surprisingly no.

>>46742442
literal RAW says no, but this is HH primarchs, if it's not for fun why bother? I don't know of anyone at my lgs who'd through a fit if given a heads up.

>>46742438

My secret is out. I am actually Magnus the Red, shrunk to the size of an Ant so Russ can never find me.

>>46742442
Rules as written, no. But Curze has a 2+ cover save out in open ground. If the opponent didn't bring a typhon, I'd argue that he's better protected outside a vehicle.

>>46742533
>magnus didn't teleport away with his army, he just shrunk everyone to the size of ants.

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>>46742470
>>46742515
>>46742562
Does it work for Angron? Does it work for Guilliman who's described as wearing a "set of artificer power armour", which could be neither artificer armour or power armour depending on how much of a RAW asshole you want to be? Does it work with Ferrus Manus whose armour entry refers to his design being similar to Cataphractii but doesn't explicitly say that his armour is Terminator armour?

My point is that going by lore descriptions is a vague mess and it's a lot easier to go by the list of wargear in a unit's profile instead the descriptions of said wargear.

>>46742752
I was simply recieting what I see Rules as Written.

Personally, I'd let you put the Primarch in a land speeder if you wanted to.

>>46742752
i think that RAI it works with any primarch who is 'bulky' but not with the 'very bulky' ones

>>46731736
Someone answer this

>>46742935
dual kheres is great, dual grav fist is great out of a pod using the cortus.

>>46728730
I've decided on Iron Warriors. What are some good HH books to read for fluff?

>>46742935
I like plasma/grav fists, plasma cannon/plasma fist, conversion beamer/bolterfist, and 2 tl volkites

>>46742935
I run Dual Kheres or Dual Grav Fist.

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>>46743660
This guy gets it.

>>46743660
>>46743856
I got my fists assembled from Calth, so I'm just going to cover the palms with other marine corpses.

>>46743603
>>46743660
>>46743856
can someone explain the appeal of grav fists? I never thought dual fist option would ever be popular

>>46744040
grav is haywire 2+ and creates dangerous terrain

Grav is haywire for tank popping, and the difficult terrain marker makes it harder for an opponent to run away.

>>46744075
meant as a reply to >>46744040

>>46731736

Dual Kheres. Nothing like 12 shots rending on sixes, and it looks fucking amazing if you cut up the pose on the BoC one.

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>>46742030
>>46742233
>>46742314
>>46742442
>>46742461
>>46742470
>>46742515
>>46742562
>>46742752
>>46742812
>>46742884

>>46734338
Horus.

>>46734338
The Emperor himself.

>>46734338

A good Primarch.

>>46744357
So, anyone but Dorn :^)

>>46744409
Well he did specify a good primarch, not best primarch

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>>46744446
>Best Primarch
>Not Sanguinius
Dorn is pleb tier.

>>46734338

A stormcast eternal

>>46744510
Who narrated the Fear to tread audiobook? Now I can only imagine Sanguinius' voice as that guy's. He ruined it for me.

>>46744510
What is that nasty heart eye thing even supposed to be? s' fucking gross man.

>>46744900
The gem represents the burning heart of the Blood Angels legion.

>>46744900
Soul Edge.

>>46735481
The IW numbers would have to be very low

Where can I find the new RoW?
Want to check out stuff like Primarch's Chosen and whatnot. Don't see it in any of the scanned stuff on the 1st post.

>>46734338
guilliman

>>46746246
book 6, download and read. Be cool and do this

Why do people think that Pride of the Legion let's then bring legion specifc terminators as troops?

>>46736167
It's hard to find symbols that would good in a large format and feel warhammer-y. If anyone has an idea I'm listening

>>46747077
because that's what the rule say?

>>46747301
But it doesn't.
Unless theres been an FAQ stating so

Brothers of the Word Bearers! Do you field a large number of Gal Vorbak? No Gal Vorbak? Some Gal Vorbak? I'm curious as to what people do the most.

>>46744133
So Corax is in a power armor with a huge jump pack... 1 or 2 slots in the ram?

>>46747887
One

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Word Bearers conversion progress from last night. Hopefully I can pull off lava bases to match my new lava FAT mat

>>46739939
Well, infiltrated terminators with combi plasma are your compulsory troops and do the same thing as headhunters would, for about the same points cost, but better.

That's the sad thing about seekers and headhunters, they are so expensive.

Add some vehicles of your choice, with the exact list I gave as an example there are 210 pts left. That is exactly one Fire Raptor. Or add another Sicarian, Rapier Laser Destroyers, Vindicator Laser Destroyer, or Mortis Contemptor and give the Terminators some chainfists and such. Your choice really.
What I really wanted to point out is that for the same cost as a unit of Headhunters you can get infiltrating Terminators with the same guns, and you can save yourself ~100 pts on HQ choices.

>>46741442
Cortus is 5++ against the front arc, nothing in cc

>>46748070
Lava base is not going to look too nice with your deep red word bearers. It will distract too much from your actual models. Do something in either a neutral colouring (cityscape rubble, any shade of grey and/or any shade of sand) or something with complimenting colours like a deep tainted green (perhaps a daemon world or a swamp).

>>46748070
Looks good