Pathfinder General - /pfg/

>>46723165
Depends, is that a cat or a dog?

>>46723165
>>46723178
You choice in OP image is terrible. You're an embarrassment.

>4 man gank squad of full initiators with Elemental Flux, each one empowering the other when they die
>Large-sized Ordained Defender Zweihander Sentinel carrying his oracle medium-sized twin on his back
>Literally a hussar Warlord riding on an Adult Blue Dragon

Do these sound like fun bosses for a party to fight?

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>>46722964

I'm not sure what to tell you.

Are you getting bonuses to hit from the Battle Templar, or anyone else using mundane means?
Are you using your boosts to get bonuses to hit instead of taking a damage bonus?

At least you've kept the plot going.

>>46723165
An eidolon.

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So what would he be ? A Monk or Barbarian ?

Question about the Snake mystery:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/mysteries/kobold-press---oracle-mysteries/snakes

If Coils says you can make a grapple when you hit with "an unarmed melee attack," does that mean that a Snake oracle with Coils and Fangs can activate their free grapple off of their bite attack instead of an unarmed strike?

>>46723223
>>46723187
>Colossal, mobile Tree that is constantly shedding rotten fruit that turn into Spriggans
Fuck you Curse-rotted Greatwood

>>46723396
Looks like a Barbarian, but who is he?

>>46723458
A Dwarf from either Odin Sphere or Dragon's Crown.

>>46723452

Go for the balls, dude. The BALLS.

Dark Souls is a treasure trove of imaginative bosses that can be transplanted into Pathfinder.

>>46723458
It appears to be the Dwarf from Dragon's Crown.

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>>46723458
The Dwarf from Dragon's Crown. He pumps up his muscles up to reduce damage, fights with his hammers, fists, explosives and by picking up enemies and throwing them.

>>46723310

Nah, it's just the dice. They hate me.

>>46723452
go for the pus sacs on the crotchular area, the ass zone, some on the wrists and ankles, and after those are all done then you can finish with the crotch arm

>>46723628
I still wanna play a character focused on Mother Cyst. Too bad it's better suited to NPC characters!

>>46723396
>>46723458
Its dragons crown dwarf.

For class... I dunno. Brawler?

He grabs enemies and throws them into each other, he can create powderkegs and throw them, he can call lightning, he can turn his skin to stone, can create bombs, has some flying leap stuff, and is capable of attacking *extremely* fast with his hammers or fists.

His skills improve his throwing attacks (they do more damage and he gets to treat thrown enemies as 'splash' weapons, doing half their damage in an aoe). Improve his punching attacks. Give him the 'eagle dive / glide' (which also drops bombs). Causes his thrown weapons to call bolts of lightning. Give a flurry of blows like effect. Allow him to bascially set himself on fire and deal bonus damage with all of his abilities. Improve his bombs. Give him greater damage reduction. Restore health / durability for picking up [items not immediately converted into gold]. Prevent interruption on attacks

Oh and create bombs / powderkegs.

I'd say his core skills are probably closer to non-shitty monk / brawler specializing in grappling & very strange bull-rush mechanics.

>>46723442
There is no such thing as an "unarmed melee attack," as unarmed strikes are weapons that you wield, and thus you're armed when you use them. Presuming they meant an unarmed strike, then no, you would not be able to do it with a natural attack. A lenient GM would probably be okay with it, though.

>>46723165
i would have sex with the boy in OP's image.

>>46723708
Oh jeez, sorry, guys, I thought I was in the 5e thread.

>>46723651
That sounds like a Polymath (Alchemist) that traded Steel Serpent for Broken Blade.

>>46723693
But unless you have the improved unarmed attack feat you count as unarmed when attacking with your fists.

>>46723495
I know, I beat it earlier today, but it was a bitch.

So, I am thinking about making a Battle Herald. Bastard Sword, primarily two-handed, but using shield as a back up. Power attack line, so ideally a respectable physical melee threat and excellent support.

Any recommendations? Also, is Battle Herald worth it at all?

>>46723758
The bombs on bomb satchel / powder keg are all limited use though, at least with how dragons crown functions. Occasionally you can find items that give you bonus "skill" uses for getting an extra life, or repair your items but in general the initial designs of dragons crown were not 'infinite adventure mode'.

So I'd treat them more as purchased items / consumables. Eagle dive is the exception but it's a really, really shitty air attack compared to anything the Amazon has. The 'class skills' of the Dwarf are far more oriented around hitting shit with hammers / fists and grappling & throwing enemies (and being able to treat them as splash weapons).

So IMO brawler is the thing that fits.

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How would I make this guy, /pfg/?

>Who is that?
http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Hector

>>46723930
Any PoW class focusing on axes?

>>46723853
>The bombs on bomb satchel / powder keg are all limited use though
...Like alchemist bombs?

>>46723942
I have very little experience with PoW. Do you have a recommendation?

>>46723953
Pretty much anything but solar wind and tempest gale will help you meet your goals.

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Fixed the skills to include armor check penalty.

A GM can send a couple of these NPCs to hunt and assassinate PC mages, but they might still lose to Color Spray or Sleep.

>>46723853
They're a combination of trip, bull rush and grapple. With some ki throw shit mixed in.

>>46723944
They aren't an integral part of the dwarves kit; most people ignore them as consumable skills is really wizard / witch territory. In addition barring extreme end game items skills only get restocked upon returning to town. For simplicities sake I'd say treat them as consumable items rather than try to build them into the class, because the class itself really plays as more of a setting sun style book of nine swords character (that only occasionally uses its throws on the powder keg it brought along to the adventure and then grappled).

>>46723983
Aren't those ranged disciplines?

>>46724066
Exactly whey they aren't useful for portraying one's self as Hector

>>46724084
Oh I see. I misread that to say "anything with solar wind and tempest gale..."

>>46724053
>>46723853
If a brawler had full initiator levels and broken blade I'd consider it a pretty perfect representation of the dwarf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCjoi5MH7oc

>>46724157
It happens, it's late!

Pathminder anon here. I'm working on converting the site to run as a Flask Python server so that I can fix up the archetypes to work as toggles on class pages like people have requested.

One disclaimer: at least for now, it will probably remain only one archetype at a time (e.g. combined archetypes will still need to be included as separate data files), because automated processing of archetype combinations would be way too damn complicated for something that's not a full-fledged character builder.

>>46724202
This thread is already much more polite than the last one.

>>46724221
I'm always polite! Or I try to be! Everyone should always strive to be excellent to others! Although let me add Elemental Flux isn't good for Hector either, neither is Mithral Current.

How the fuck do you find a GM that lets you use DSP stuff? It seems like I'm the only one who allows 3pp, and none of my players are interested.

>>46724656
My DM was used to 3.x stuff, and knew I was quite knowledgeable on it, and I allow it as a DM as well. So Luck on my end.

Just had a fun session. Most of the group got thrown in jail except my myself and one other. We were brought before the king and said we can join the army or be exiled to another plane. My wizard was in the army for his entire life (we are from another plane already) and was more than happy to join a new one. Everyone else is miserable.

Our first mission is to kill the people that helped us survive so the king can conquer a new area. I'm thrilled. Everyone else wants to die.

>>46724711
You're a dick, haha

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>>46724711

>>46724221
Wtf was with the old thread?

>>46723827
Any thoughts on the battle herald?

>>46724237
Elemental Flux is actually fine if you stick with the Electricity attacks. Armads is "The Thunder Axe" after all.

>>46723165
If a creature with blood drain (say, a Dire Weasel) hits another creature, when the blood drain takes effect, does the target creatures Max HP go down? How long does the effect last?

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How does one play a viking most effectively in Pathfinder? Fighter? Barbarian? Skald? Warder? Any of the above? And why?

>>46725421

Wizard

>>46724656
We're all friends and trust each others' balance sense, so when I advanced PoW, and later SoP, as options, they agreed to give it a try and pretty unilaterally loved 'em.

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>>46725421
Magical Child vigilante.

>>46725421

Barbarian for generic viking

Skald for fancy viking.

>>46725421
Depends on what you mean by 'Viking'.

>>46725025
Battle Herald is pretty cool, make sure to pick up the Standard Bearer archetype for your cavalier levels so your Battle Herald banner is more effective.

So, key spells for a level 5 wizard with conjuration specialization. Kinda want to go in battlefield controller style / utility. Looking to fill out my spell book.

1:
2: Invis,
3: Fireball, Fly

Is Spiked pit good?

>>46726159
Get Grease

>>46726219
>Grease
Part of the reason I want conjuration, just forgot. Thx. Others?

>>46726159
Mirror Image, Blur, Silent Image.

>>46725968

Sounds good.

Is longspear my only option as a weapon?

>>46726159
Skip Summon Monster I, but get the rest. The Small Earth Elemental will be your go to DPS summon for the 2nd level spell. Remember you should have Superior Summoning at 5th level.

>>46726417
>Superior Summoning
Only got 2 free feats as Im doing crafting as well.

>>46726375
That depends on how strict your GM is. If he'll let you wear the banner on your back (like a japanese Sashimono) then you can do whatever, but if he really wants you to hold your banner then it may be.

>>46725421
Assuming you mean "raiding" by "viking" since that's what it meant... wizard.

>>46726640
I'd say arcanist. Arcanists trump wizards at most things.

>>46726665
>Most campaigns end at lvl 17
>Arcanist would have pretty amazing tricks by then
>Wizard would have less amazing tricks and 9th level casting

When will this arcanists are better than wizards meme end

>>46726718
>17

That's awful specific of you.

>>46726718
Most campaigns I've been in ended closer to 14, unless we started out high level.

>>46726746
Loooooooooooots of people only run adventure paths.

Rise of the Runelords ends at 17th level.
Curse of the Crimson Throne ends at roughly 17th level.
Second Darkness ends at 17th level.
Legacy of Fire ends at 16th level.
Council of Thieves (if anyone gave a shit) ends at 13th level.
Kingmaker ends at 15th level.
Serpent's Skull ends at 17th level.
Carrion Crown ends at 15th level.
Jade Regent ends at 16th level.
Skull and Shackles ends at 15th level.
Shattered Star ends at 17th level.
Reign of Winter ends at 17th level.
Wrath of the Righteous ends at 20th level/Tier 10.
Mummy's Mask ends at 17th level.
Iron Gods ends at 17th level.
Giantslayer ends at 17th level.
Hell's Rebels ends at 17th level.

It's probably not accurate to say most all campaigns ever end AT 17th level (the vast majority end way earlier), but a lot of APs do and very few campaigns go past 17th level.

>>46726665
Arcanists don't beat Fast Study divination (foresight) wizards.

>>46726849
>Kingmaker ends at 15th level.
Thats kind of disappointing. My group wants to run that next and I do enjoy getting to play around with ultimate power

>>46726868
Except arcanists can be school savants.
And they have a fast study exploit.

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>>46726883
There's always a little section on potential post-end questing that can take you right up to 20th.
For example, Kingmaker has the Brevoy war possibly bubbling over, dick ass River Kingdoms shenanigans and the return of Choral the Conqueror in all his rape-happy glory as well as my personal favorite ever, FUCKIN' FEY, the Quest, involving the Eldest being dicks and the PCs being forced to 'pay off' the debt they owe for killing Nyrissa by resurrecting the bitch

Why is there a chakat in the OP?
Is this the hot new race to shitpost about?

How would you emulate Dark Souls/Bloodborne combat?

>>46727694
MURPG or 4e with a further HP nerf.

>>46727694
Swashbuckler.

>>46727728
Top kek

>>46727694
Not at all.
Much like Monster Hunter's combat, it is primarily about timing, patience, concentration and endurance. Also dying and trying again.
These things don't translate well to the tabletop.

>>46723223
Yes, definitely.

>>46727713
>>46727728
>>46727791
More about the freneticness nature of combat

>>46727786
Not really.

It's got parries, ripostes, movement-dodges... And unless you're good, you have significant trouble fighting big shit with more reach than you, or multiple enemies at once.

>>46727694
Give everyone free Combat Stamina and Snake Style

>>46726912
They have a fast study exploit that lets them swap spells as a full-round action, AND they can take Discovery to get the Wizard's Fast Study ability.

>>46727825
Frenetic? It sounds as if you had never played any of these games.
Combat in these games is a fairly slow affair, unless you're using Dual Blades in MH. It's all about knowing the patterns of enemies, their tells, the timing of their attacks, the timing of your own attacks and being able to tell when you have an opening.
The only time combat gets frantic is when you have too many enemies upon you at the same time. And if that happens, it's almost always by your own failure.

>>46723567
Okay, so necromancy represents a form of motherhood in that game. I get that part. It explains why the Sorceress must have unbelievable back pain.

Why does the axe chick have thighs that could crush the Earth's crust? What does that imply? I am not complaining, I am asking because the Sorceress makes me actually take the fanservice in that game seriously.

>>46724214
Is it possible to have the current site as an option, still? So you could either click and have an individual archetype swapped in, or be able to see how multiple archetypes stack?

>>46724656
Honestly, I pestered my friends until they okayed it, and they found that it was a ton of fun. Additionally, one of my friends was in another game that allowed it (separate from our group) and enjoyed it there as well.

Just keep looking, bruv.

>>46727992
Considering that her occupation revolves around making things as life/motionless as possible, wouldn't it make sense for as much of her to be geared for that as possible?

In essence, she has thighs capable of cracking the earth's crust JUST IN CASE she NEEDS to crack the earth's crust.

Or in case of unruly earth elementals.

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>>46723165
>>46723178
Nobody bothered to answer OP? That is clearly a male variant of a lamia. A weaker kitty-bodied variant, intended for bullying by the lion-bodied girl lamias.

>>46728025
If she has boobs does it mean that her lower part doesnt have crotchboobs?

How does her foot padding feel?

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>>46728110
MAGIC

AIN'T GOTTA EXPLAIN SHIT

>>46728130
Riza best girl

>>46728025
>>46728110
Isn't that one also a giantess?

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>>46728159
>tfw you'll never play a Witchwolf Skinwalker Aurora Soul Mystic with Chimera Soul and Broken Blade

Seriously though, I kind of want to play that. I love Aurora Soul in concept, but I have literally never seen/played a Mystic and have no idea what it actually performs like.

>>46728176
Time to make sure we capture her alive then

>>46728185
I never get why people '>tfw you'll never' about things that are 100% reasonable.

How worthwhile is herolabs?

I might be DMing a game for the first time soon and I plan to make half a dozen characters then letting the players choose their favourite one. None of the players have played before but really want to.

Any ideas for an adventure good for 3 or 4 level 5 characters?

>>46728197
90% of games don't allow 3pp, and >implying the rest end up going longer than first level

>>46728206
All I hear is it's shit.

Doesn't include a lot of things, and I heard someone mentioning it by default includes a bunch of the dev's houserules without telling you.

>>46728197
Bruh, I don't have any games for my characters already. Where am I going to play this hypothetical character?

>>46728214
Most games I CAN find, DO allow 3pp. I'm still only allowed to play 1 character in those games, though, and I have a backlog of roughly 20-30 other characters I'd like to play.

Seriously, I need to stop building characters and writing backstories for them for fun.

>>46728206
The ONLY thing it is good for is pumping out mostly-correct characters en masse. It is NOT a good rules source and is WAY too expensive to really rely on, especially since there are a ton of errors and incorrect developer changes in it.

I still suggest hand-building everything, because at least then you've got your fingers in everything, instead of crossing your fingers and hoping for the best.

>>46728176
>>46728196
She's a lamia harridan. Template for divine-classed lamias; their size goes to Huge, but with a Dex bonus instead of penalty.

>>46728292
And hows thats going to stop me from knocking her unconscious or helpless or whatever and taking her back to base to have my way with?

>>46728333
Hope you're a high level Aegis or have Primal Warrior Stance, broski. She ain't gonna even notice otherwise.

>>46728333
The bigger the plunder, the better the raider.

Thusly, the bigger the maiden you abscond with, the better a raider you are.

>>46728360

Out here, we call that a "Beetle Hut".

You go out to the bars, get smashed, and try to bring back the biggest one you can find.

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Tonight is my group's weekly game, and I'm going to get to play my Medic once more. I'm really looking forward to getting some more practice with the class, and trying to RP a grumpy soldier who patches people up out of necessity, rather than honest good intent.

How have your games gone this weekend, anons? Did you do anything interesting? Were there cool combat moments or really engaging roleplaying?

>>46728699
Eh. Our game got cancelled forever due to constant attendance issues.

>>46728720
If it helps, I and I'm sure others here know that feeling. Keeping a group together is a very delicate balancing act of people actively trying to be involved and those involved being willing to work as part of the group.

Was it an IRL group? Have you tried looking around online? PbP/Roll 20 aren't perfect, but a good online game is better than no game at all. A bad online game is exactly as bad as a bad IRL game, but at least you don't have to smell/see the people in a bad online game.

Anyone have much experience with Bardic Masterworks? Are any of them particularly worthwhile?

I'm going with a Rubato/Geisha (Neither Archetype overlaps) Bard but I've not a heap of experience with it.

The fact that Rubato Bards can regen a point of bardic music every round of combat makes them seem more tempting.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard/bardic-masterpieces/masterpieces/pageant-of-the-peacock

This one looks fun but I'm very unsure about others.

>>46725421

Warder, easily.

>>46728699
One guy of the group, who played a chaotic-evil character but until now it didn't bother anyone, wanted to switch character. So the GM made the ex-PC a mini villian and in the last session my character fought him in 1v1. He almost killed my character with a crit but I killed him before he killed me. That was fun.

After that my character didn't want to kill him, but she was in emotional storm (the ex-PC was very similar to someone from my character's background) and one of her magic item activated "by mistake" and blinded him forever.

Now my character is sad about what she did to him. But man that was FUN.

>>46728110

PUPPY
PADS

is there any full bab (partially)int based class which doesn't mind abandoning his progression so i can get into a certain prestige class my DM made avaible?

preferably Paizo only.

>>46729371
You could try that fighter archetype that gets shitty INT based casting.

>>46729371
Slayer, lore warden fighter, that int based swashbuckler archetype.

>>46729387
Lore Warden almost has LESS Intelligence-incentive than regular Fighter, with the free Combat Expertise. Learned Duelist (awful) and Tactician are the only Fighter archetypes I know of who do something even semi-productive with Int without going into spellcasting.

>>46729507
At the same time being able to get a bonus to attack from a successful knowledge check is pretty nice.

What is the best class/archetype for playing the overbearing Jewish mother of another party member?

>>46730443
Commoner.

>>46730443
Expert/20 with skill points put into bluff/intimidate/appraise

>>46730504
Might as well just play a dread or a zhentarim fighter / samurai from 3.5

>>46730415
That ability is basically roleplay fluff and it makes me sad that there isn't much else for exploiting knowledge for direct power. It never improves and yields has pitiful benefit for a 7th level ability and standard action.

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>>46728699
Anticlimactic TPK after a very fun, four hour long BBEG & Co. fight. Got to spam overrun hijinks on the Cavalier I was playing while going through waves of rogues and bandits. All in all it was surprisingly fun up until the anticlimactic ending with a party member making a poor decision that resulted in the TPK afterwards.

Now we're all deciding what to play. I recently purchased a miniature of pic related but can't seem to find anything that would gel well with a Goblin firearm user. Was leaning towards a Vigilante but everything I come up with just feels meh.

>>46730443
Commoner.

>>46730536
A dread sounds appropriate for an overbearing Jewish mother

>>46730583
You mean aside from gunslinger?

>>46730602
For some reason our GM has a massive hate boner for Gunslingers. I can make an argument to play one but I know it's going to get shit on somehow.

>>46730616
Refluff the crossbow gunslinger? Bolt Ace, I think?

>>46730616
GMs here "hit on touch AC" and automatically think it's over powered, not bothering to read on and see for most early firearms that it's only the case at the first range increment.

>>46730630
I was honestly thinking of taking 1 level dip of Wizard for the Spellslinger archetype, then either going full Enigma Mesmerist or Shadow Caller Spiritualist.

>>46730648
>it's only the case at the first range increment.
That has literally nothing to do with whether it's overpowered or not. The vast majority of fights take place in a very small area, especially since most of the time at least some of the party will want to get into melee.

>>46730723
No, but it has to do with why they're perceived as being overpowered. DMs see it and think it can hit touch AC all day, but it only can from the first increment where the monster is going to charge up, or already be in range to murder.

>>46730723
They also never consider the fact that the gunslinger is just as fucked as a crossbowman in terms of action economy. Sure they hit on touch, but it takes more feats and possibly items than it should to actually get in a full attack.

>>46730562
Kirin Style stacked on top of it isn't bad, plus if you have Combat Stamina which you can get for free as a Fighter you can get Int to damage on all attacks against an identified target.

I was thinking of homebrewing a class called the "Arcane Dancer" (or Arcanodancer). It'd be a hybrid class of the Bard and the Magus. It'd focus on getting extra move actions and being able to switch between dance styles for buffing, debuffing, or offensive uses.

It'd be a more supportish role, with the main goal of the class to be disruption (crowd control) and buffing.

Would anybody be interested in playing an arcane dancer if it were homebrewed?

>>46730784
Combat Stamina makes Kirin Style GOAT. But it's SUPER rare for a game to run with the stamina system, which is fucking criminal considering how much of an improvement it is on the base game.

i have to be the full caster dude of my level from 8 to 14(?) party, which is probably going to be full of people who know how to deal damage. note that since our DM is doing a PB 30, but dumping stats is forbidden, i can keep two stats up pretty good.

I was indecided between arcanist, shaman, wizard and psychic. What would you suggest? what's the difference in term of how versatile/wich things i will be good at? what does the psychic even do at the table.

>>46730997
Why would dumping stats be forbidden?

>>46730997
Personally I would choose Aracanist, just because I prefer their casting style. Stat spread could go for 11, 14, 14, 18, 12, 10 before levels or racial bonuses.

>>46731007
Probably because the DM doesn't like dump stats.

Really, there's no reason that you can't RP your careless, naive Chosen One Paladin as such, even if he has 10 Int and Wis.

>>46731070
If your Wizard wanted to study magic because he was never strong enough to fight conventionally, it makes sense to have a below average strength score

>>46731138
Yeah, but that's easy enough to role-play even with an average strength score.

>>46723452
Yeah, that's an annoying one. You gotten past it, or still stuck?

>>46730973

What are some of the best feats to use with combat stamina? It's looking to become a big part of my group's campaigns from here on out.

>>46731138
Honestly, I think you can make interesting RP decisions for your character BUT they don't have to really be reflected in the mechanics. To a degree, anyway.

Your weak Wizard might be ABLE to lift 30 pounds with no problem, but hell if he isn't going to bitch about it incessantly!

Your naive Chosen One Paladin might have a good Sense Motive modifier, but he sure as fuck is going to take literally everything people say to him at face value AND assume it's 100% the truth.

Your BSF might actually have a huge Knowledge (engineering) score, but it's actually just a combination of dumb luck and parroting things he's heard from party members and more informed folks.

Now, do you want to play a moron with 16 Int? Well, maybe you can make it work. It'll stress if it's believable, but as long as you can make the RP fit the mechanics, why not try that kind of thing?

>>46731070
>>46731138
>>46730997
while my DM is definitely not a fan of dump stats,but his given reason was that we are part of an elite militar organization that only selects people after a hard well-rounded series of tests.

It isn't even a far shot from reality: when i was 17 i spent 3 days in a militar academy as part of a project and the Marshal told us that once he had to kick out one of his best students, who later turned out to be a really good rocket science, just because he couldn't jump into the water properly.

>>46731280
Alright, that does make sense. In a party of murderhobos though, I would definitely have a dump stat

>>46730768
They hit on touch which is massive, on top of getting dex to damage. Advanced firearms also hit touch within the first 5 range increments. That said, I think early firearms are fine, it's just advanced firearms when it starts getting crazy.

>>46731248
Kirin Strike is one of the better ones for sure, but Pummeling Style's "full attack as a Standard action" is pretty baller, as is Strangler's "deal sneak attack on any grapple check"

Can you guys help me out real quick?
I'm trying to play a death-machine Juju Oracle. I've got undead goin' already, and have decided to try and put diseases in my loadout, as well. Using SoP's Death sphere, I can inflict disease in a cone, then spam Virulence (the Oracle spell) to make everyone fall over and die. The problem is, the save DCs for diseases I'm allowed to inflict are super low, highest one being Bubonic Plague with 17. The initial DC for the infliction itself is fine since it uses my normal sphere DC, but then the disease uses it's own DC which is simply too low, even with the -2 penalty from Virulence. I'm level 8, I can't be going around with DC17 stuff still! Perhaps diseases are just not viable with my build for combat use? I suppose I could use them on peasants instead of level-appropriate encounters.
So, in short: How do I make the diseases I inflict deadlier and harder to resist? If there's a better method than SoP's Death sphere available, please let me know, also!

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>>46731248
>spend 5 stamina to gain a +1 dodge bonus for each opponent that you threaten that no other ally threatens
>no duration
>if you have a 30 foot reach you can gain up to +88 dodge to your AC
>this is not the largest reach possible

>>46731417
>fullcaster cries about not being broken enough
Yeah ok I'm sure you really, really need higher DCs for your save-or-dies.

>>46731475
What's the matter, anon?
Don't tell me you're stuck in a 10PB E6 game as a paizocore martial.

>>46731475
Diseases barely count as save-or-die, anon.
And he has a solid point, DC17 for save is babymode at level 8.
Why the anger, eh?

>>46731417
How the dicks are you combining SoP with Paizo spellcasting? Rather, WHY are you doing such a thing? Did you completely miss the point of SoP?

>>46731546
Gestalt game.
Crafted myself a necromancer that has shitloads of undead capacity and raises them for free, permanently.

>>46731323
>massive
Wh-

They can't FULL ATTACK, anon. You know what makes archery amazing? It's Rapid Shot/Manyshot. You know what makes DEALING DAMAGE even VIABLE? It's being able to hit with several attacks, each multiplying all your assorted damage bonuses.

Early firearms are garbage and if your DM is not at least giving you advanced firearms - and a better class than the gunslinger with its key benefits in an archetype or something - you are to be blunt making a big step down. Advanced firearms are the starting point.

But "5% misfire" is even worse when you do get to full attacks. You need to simultaneously have a misfire of "never" and either free action reloading or a swift action clip that'll last you through more than one round.

Otherwise you're just playing a shitty archer. And, to be blunt, gunslingers are inevitably shitty archers. Don't buy into the hype, "dex to damage is massive" anon. They're banned because people are fucking stupid, not because there's a problem.

These are the same guys who won't touch new products because "I am not familiar with it" by which they mean they are functionally illiterate and can only run APs that don't require them to think. They ban 3pp because it's "broken," by which they mean they are independently incapable of evaluating any part of the game's mechanics and they don't know what to do with something that wasn't "vetted." They strip out anything it seems like a lot of other people are worried about, because the kneejerk is all-consuming.

Anyone here have experience with a DSP + SoP only game?

That kind of setup seems interesting, but I'm not sure if I actually want to go looking for a game like this.

>>46731810
Had one with a short life due to DM disappearing, but party was having a lot of fun.

>>46731810
Such a game is likely a T3-4 only game, which I've had reasonably good success with. It requires some careful DMing because you don't have full casters to remove conditions and other such things but can definitely work.

It can work well, as long as the DM includes NPCs that can help with rituals and such.

>>46731745
Wut. I've seen the difference between a well-made gunslinger and a well-made archer myself, playing both and seeing both ran in Iron Gods. 1-handed firearms take exactly one feat to be able to full attack, so I dunno what your first sentence is on about, and misfiring is the tradeoff to hitting touch and x4 crits, while still being able to be essentially negated by Lucky, Mysterious Stranger, Reloading Hands or any of the other ways of negating misfires.

So what you end up with is essentially an archer who spends a single extra feat to get dex to damage and hit touch AC. Advanced firearms make the situation even worse, since misfiring is no longer a serious issue (you lose 2 attack/damage, which still puts you at a higher damage/hit rate than a bow)

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Time to post firearm houserules again.
>When firing a firearm, the attack resolves against the target’s flat-footed AC when the target is within the first range increment of the weapon.
>When a firearm attack is made against a creature with a dodge bonus, there is a chance that the attack resolves against normal AC. The chance is 20% times the dodge bonus.
>It is a move action to load each barrel of a one-handed firearm and a standard action to load each barrel of a two-handed firearm.
>When you hit with a two-handed firearm, add 1/2 your Dexterity modifier to the damage result.

>Rapid Reload (Combat)
>Choose either the crossbows or firearms weapon group. You can reload such weapons quickly.
>Prerequisites: Weapon Proficiency (weapon group chosen).
>Benefit: The time required for you to reload your chosen type of weapon is reduced to a free action (for a hand or light crossbow or one-handed firearm) or a move action (for a heavy crossbow or two-handed firearm). Reloading a crossbow or firearm still provokes attacks of opportunity.
>Normal: A character without this feat needs a move action to reload a hand or light crossbow or one-handed firearm, or a standard action to reload a heavy crossbow or a two-handed firearm.
>Special: You can gain Rapid Reload multiple times. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new weapon group.

>Firearm Mastery (Combat)
>You are significantly faster at loading a firearm, as well as a better shot.
>Prerequisites: Rapid Reload (firearms).
>Benefit: Select one specific type of firearm (such as an axe musket, blunderbuss, musket, or pistol). The time required for you to reload that type of firearm is reduced to a free action. You resolve your attacks with that type of firearm against flatfooted AC when the target is within the first five range increments. You gain a bonus equal to your Dexterity modifier on damage rolls when firing that type of firearm.

>>46731810
SoP has really shitty internal balance for spheres.

>>46731851

You do realize if you're not using advanced firearms then the touch attack thing is only possible if you're basically in melee range with most things it's good against?

>>46731851
"Exactly one feat" is not a small cost for an archery build, and they're locked out of manyshot. You're delaying your progression, spending a fuckton of gold, and praying to the RNG gods not to deliver more misfire than you can handle so you can...what, land your fourth natural iterative, the one that comes online at level 16?

>>46731851
How are you getting Dex to damage with a single feat?

(I.E. without taking 3+ levels in a godawful "class" like gunslinger)

I call bullshit

>>46731871
Making things more complicated is not a good way to balance them.

What archetype of cleric will be the most fun?

>>46731910
Yes, and you can still just 5 foot step if anything wants to melee you. That said I am partial to musket master for those reasons.
>>46731912
Losing manyshot is hardly a massive cost compared to what you gain, and as long as you're losing it anyway you're not spending any extra feats to get rapid reload instead.
>>46731937
My point was that you need one more feat than a traditional archer, and you get dex to damage in exchange. What's so bad about gunslinger?

My party is a conjuration wizard, fractured mind spiritualist, and a longbow ranger with an archetype that removes spells. What class should I pick to complement them?

>>46731967
Gunslinger exists solely to make Guns SORT of work. Without Dex to Damage, they're 100% inferior to a Composite Longbow, and WITH Dex to Damage they're still inferior, but at least usable.

Guns are shit, and I ban guns and Gunslingers in my games BECAUSE they are shit.

>>46732005
Right, so now you're just going over to baseless assertions. Just about everything has garbage touch AC, and the ability to hit on essentially every attack and get deadly aim+dex damage isn't to be overlooked. There are a number of ways of overcoming misfires, and advanced firearms make just about all the criticisms of firearms moot (misfires irrelevent, good range with the same crits etc).

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Does anyone else find it considerably exhilarating to layer on divination spell after divination spell on oneself and then view an important scene in what amounts to Eagle Vision?

Earlier in an Osirion-based game, my wizard had cast See Invisibility, Pierce Disguise, Detect Scrying, Tears to Wine, and Greater Detect Magic on themselves before surveying a major conclave of a massive gathering of aristocrats and guild leaders. The GM was considerate enough to describe the many intriguing secrets revealed to my character under their enlightened senses.

I can only imagine what it will be like once I have access to True Seeing proper.

>>46732059
>baseless assertions
People have done the math. The Longbow is better in every way, to the point that hitting Touch AC doesn't even really matter.

>>46732069

You'll probably find out that everyone is a silver dragon.

Where would a character even /get/ an irrational fear of Metallic Dragons from, anyway?

>>46732547
An irrational one? No idea. A metallic dragon would sure as fuck cause completely rational fear in anybody who had ever heard of what kinds of things they do to bad guys, though.

>>46732547
I mean, they're still giant element breathing critters and tower over you like you do ants. Even if they're "good" that doesn't mean their good is the same as yours (though with objective morality it does mean you're probably safer with them than chromatics.) It's not like good things haven't come to blows and killed each other before.

as an investigator, can I stack polymath (diminished extracts per day) and sleuth (removes the ability to use extracts at all)?

It doesn't say that the diminished extracts replaces or alters the base alchemy class feature, just that I can cast 1 less than usual to a minimum of 0, which I would have by default if I got rid of that ability entirely

Discuss

>can't use minor creation to make spell components
Went from a 8/10 spell to 4/10 in one sentence, I know it has some niche uses but honestly seeing as the stuff you create disappears after a while, what's the point?

>>46732600
No you cannot. They both alter the "extracts" class feature and are thus incompatible.

>>46732600
No. Diminished extracts clearly alters extracts, even if it doesn't explicitly state "this ability alters extracts" and any decent GM would slap you with the book for attempting to get him to rule otherwise.

>>46732600
No. What you're trying to do wouldn't be fair, if we pretended Sleuth was in any way desirable for any purpose. It would mean certain archetypes would "cost" less than they're supposed to. 1 minus 2 is not 0 (neutral trade), it's -1.

So yeah, the game last night dragged on needlessly long. The enemy had a strategically sound position and it would have been a pain either way, but certain things made the fight longer than needed.

* The other summoner kept splitting his attacks amongst different targets, nearly all mooks. Said targets were already defined to have DR as well.

* When the summoner finally did something useful (incapacitate the enemy spellcaster by having one of his minions grapple it), the party druid almost immediately kills the summoned monster with an area effect spell. When I told him "Oh great, now he can cast spells at us again", the druid player replied "WITH PENALTIES!" as if he was the king chessmaster in the group.

* Said druid player also shows very little respect to the DM. The DM spelled out what books he would allow. Said player keeps trying to take third-party feats, spells, equipment, etc. in hopes the DM misses that.

>>46732704
all the good archetypes that replace casting with something else take up way more requirements than sleuth does, it only works with this situation

>>46732842
If you are trying to argue that Sleuth doesn't alter or replace the Extracts class feature, then you're just straight up lying to yourself. You KNOW it alters the ability specifically by removing the ability to use it at all.

There is no debate to be had here. You can't have less than nothing, and you sure as fuck can't take a reduction to a class feature you don't even have.

>>46732842
Sleuth expects to be subtracting a full feature, not a half a feature or any other alteration of that feature. The reason is because it is *supposed to* be adding stuff that is exactly equal in value to that full feature - not part of it or an altered version of it.

That said, Sleuth is literally one of the worst archetypes in the entire game, possible The Worst. The only one you would even be cheating is yourself even if you do decide to cheat into it.

>>46730997
>which is probably going to be full of people who know how to deal damage
Which probably means they will be T3 and below. And none of them is likely to have high charisma. Which means you should pick sorc and be free to do whatever the fuck you want after you pick haste and cast it at the beginning of every fight.

>>46731810
Why would you need SoP when you have psionics, akasha, and blade magic?

>>46733119
>akasha
>good

>>46733276
Better than vancian. Pretty good in gestalt or "fuck daily resources" games.

>>46733335
The same argument can be said of Spheres.

>>46733119
>blade magic
?

>>46733477
Veiled moon, riven hourglass, elemental flux. Well sleeping goddess too but it's kinda will negates the discipline.

>>46733525
Also cursed razor, shattered mirror, silver crane, black seraph, eternal guardian and Solar Wind or Mithral Current to a lesser degree.

So by CR, a Lightning Treant and 2 Dryads would be a good boss fight for a party of level 5 characters, but the Treant seems like it has some really strong tools at its disposal.
Do you guys think there's anything I would need to rebalance to make it a good encounter? And if so, do you have any recommendations?

>>46733599
Well most of these don't do much except hit things harder. I missed Mirror though, there are some really supernatural maneuvers.

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I want to be the knightiest knight of them all
How can I white knight all the princesses?

>>46723165
I forget the name of it, but is the archetype for Investigator that removes Alchemy in trade for for Luck and some deeds good? The alchemy feels kind of tacked on, so I wanted to remove it

>>46732069
It is a whole hell of a lot of fun, that's for certain.

>>46733850
See >>46732982

>>46733850
It's incredibly shit, possibly the worst archetype in the game. NOTHING is worth the complete loss of casting. If you want a non-alchemy investigator, use Psychic Detective, which trades it for psychic magic.
>http://www.archivesofnethys.com/ArchetypeDisplay.aspx?FixedName=Investigator%20Psychic%20Detective

>>46733924
That still feels tacked on, is the thing. Is there an archetype that doesn't do that?

>>46733924
No, totem warrior is the worst archetype.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/archetypes/paizo---barbarian-archetypes/totem-warrior

>>46733970
What do you mean by that? The Investigator is a hybrid of the Alchemist and the Rogue. Alchemy seems very appropriate

>>46733970
What exactly are you wanting out of the class? Because alchemy IS half the core concept; it's the alchemist half of the alchemist-rogue hybrid.

If you don't want that hybridization, play an unchained rogue or a slayer instead.

>>46734001
Yeah, it is. The alchemy just really doesn't feel like it belongs with the rest of the class in my opinion.

>>46733999
>replaces nothing, grants nothing
>literally no downside, a complete net zero change
>worst
Quit being butthurt over the fact that it doesn't let you have multiple totems anymore, that makes it unnecessary, not actively bad like Sleuth.

>>46734071
It's an archetype that does absolutely nothing. It has literally no place in the game, since writing it down on your sheet changes no part of your character whatsoever. It's the "worst" because it has no purpose in existing.

>>46734043
The part that interested me (aside from the flavor of the class) was the inspiration and studied strike, which unchained rogue has neither of.

What would be a good class to dip in as a Vigilante (magical child) to round things out for them?

>>46734114
A neutral change will never be worse than something that is actively harmful to you. You can be grumpy that they wasted an eighth of a page on an archetype that does nothing, but it's infinitely better than something like Sleuth that goes out of its way to make you not good.

>>46734239
What exactly are you trying to round out? Also, have you forgotten the First Caster Commandment?
>Thou shalt not give up caster levels.

>>46734216
I really hope you meant studied combat, because studied strike is garbage. Anyway, there's no way to get inspiration on a non-caster that isn't shit in some way, so I don't really know what to tell you beyond "get over it".

>>46734265
Just want to know what I can dip into to make them better. I was thinking actually going into Bard or something to round things out some, pick up some more skill variety as well.

>>46734309
There's not a DSP archetype that removes the alchemy or something? There seems to be one for practically every class

>>46734311
Yeah, don't. They're pretty solid by themselves, and dipping into another random class will only dilute what you're capable of doing.

Dips are very rarely a good idea in PF, unless you're a martial trying to pick up a very specific low-level ability (such as Fighter bonus feats, Paladin Divine Grace, etc.). In the case of a class that lives and breathes by its class features (of which a spellcaster like the Magical Child is one), you don't EVER want to multiclass out UNLESS you're getting something of SIGNIFICANT value, which is very rare.

>>46734387
Polymath is a class template for Investigators and Alchemists that lessens the number of extracts they make per day. It doesn't remove them.

The Vigilante archetype for the Stalker DOES get Inspiration AND an Int-focus, making it likely the strongest skillmonkey in PF.

>>46734216
>>46734387
I feel you anon, I too was looking for what you are at one point a few months back, but it's relatively hopeless.

Honestly if you want to do it badly, ask your DM for help and see if he'll let you substitute some better features for alchemy.

I'm the chaotic neutral cleric of a chaotic evil god. Is there any way I can get the ability to channel positive energy instead of negative energy, preferably with as little decrease to my actual ability to channel as possible?

>>46734505
Yeah I'm pretty sure you're allowed to choose. I haven't played a cleric in ages, though, so I could be wrong

>>46734538
Nope. Only Neutral Clerics of Neutral deities get to choose.

>A good cleric (or one who worships a good deity) channels positive energy and can choose to deal damage to undead creatures or to heal living creatures. An evil cleric (or one who worships an evil deity) channels negative energy and can choose to deal damage to living creatures or to heal undead creatures. A neutral cleric who worships a neutral deity (or one who is not devoted to a particular deity) must choose whether she channels positive or negative energy. Once this choice is made, it cannot be reversed.

>>46734638
Also, Versatile Channeler specifically has a statement that disallows folks who worship Evil or Good deities from taking it.

>Note: This feat only applies to necromancers, neutral clerics who worship neutral deities, or neutral clerics who do not worship a deity—characters who have the channel energy class ability and have to make a choice to channel positive or negative energy at 1st level. Clerics whose alignment or deity makes this choice for them cannot select this feat.

So it sounds like the short answer is: nope, there isn't a way. Unless you figure out a way to make your friends count as Undead so that you can heal them with Channel Negative Energy. Which I think is a Domain power.

>>46734638
Ah. I forgot about the 'Neutral God' part

>>46734481
Well, at least I know to stop looking. We were going to restart an old 3.5 campaign that had peetered off in Pathfinder, and I'd gotten really excited by the name of the class, since I was playing a detective rogue. I'll probably end up sticking in rogue, or look over Slayer a little harder

>>46734505
I don't think so. Even versatile channel only works if you worship a neutral god.

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Would it be a good idea to take improved familiar for a negative energy elemental as a necromancer for that sweet free maximize for spells that use negative energy and +2 caster level to negative energy channeling?

Not to mention that they can heal undead, abet very slowly with that slam attack.

>>46725348
it lasts until you take a rest, then all damage is automatically recovered.

>>46734702
It should be noted that they're 3pp, from the Tome of Horrors by Necromancer/Frog God Games. If your GM is cool with that, then sure, have fun with it.

>>46734735
That's not how it works, you fucking cuck.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/universal-monster-rules#TOC-Blood-Drain-Ex-

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores#TOC-Ability-Score-Damage

Learn to read. Blood drain deals Con damage, which is healed at the rate of 1 point per 8 day.

Is there a 5e to Pathfinder Convertion guide or something similar?

>>46734746
Nah he doesn't care unless it's incredibly over powered, and I don't think that is, considering I'm burning a feat for it, so excellent, it fits the theme I have going perfectly.

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>Finally check out PoW:E
>Daisho Expertise
For what purpose?

>>46734933
DEX to damage with katana and wakizashi.

>>46734239
Just take Augment Summoning, Superior Summoning etc.

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>>46734933
>>46734961
Also because the book never even pretends it's not weeaboo as fuck, and that's totally okay.

>>46723165
Hitting up /pfg/ for some weird pirate ideas again. The weirder the better

>>46733924
Worst is the Hulk archetype for Vigilante, that makes you kill your own party after every combat.

>>46735122
>will save or BRUTALLY MURDER YOUR TEAM
>Someone wrote this and thought it was a good idea for a class with a poor will save
Its mind blowing

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>>46735122
A dwarvish follower of Kurgess, who dreams to someday wrestle the largest fish in the world.

Hey pfg, how is the mystic's aurora soul archetype? I'm pondering playing one in an upcoming game, but i'm leery of anything monk-like even from DSP (that is, a focus on unarmed combat, like aurora soul seems to suggest doing with the bonus feats and all that)

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>>46733839
Be the Harem Knight.

I think there was something in Ultimate Intrigue about being a courtly knight.

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>session starts early
>get exactly the same amount of stuff we normally get done in an hour, get some sick rolls during encounters, feels good
>another player hasn't been getting enough sleep and we have to call it even earlier than usual

You win some, you lose some.

>>46733839

Paladin, obviously. Tough, shiny, and with CHA to make the ladies happy. Take the Bodyguard/In Harm's Way feats so you can selflessly protect them, take Weapon Bond so you can give your "weapon" a power boost in times of emergencies. For mercies, you're definitely going to want Fatigued, Dazed, and Exhausted. Definitely take a trait to get Perception as class bonus to help detect traps (unless you're into that), as well as Sense Motive to help you avoid becoming a shounen protagonist.

Best of luck.

I want to make a character with 6 arms. What are some of the best ways to go about that which doesn't involve finagling with the Summoner class?

My GM now worries me, in the "hints of a bad GM" way.
>If I think you guys have too much money I'll just have your house catch fire or something
he probably won't make it at all meaningful outside a gold sink based on tone.

>>46735804
Aegis and/or Alchemist.

Remember that having six arms doesn't necessarily mean you can USE all six arms for weapons. You can hold shit, grab shit out of your bag, pick stuff up, etc., but you specifically can't get extra attacks unless you're getting shit like the Aegis's Greater Extra Arms customization, which does exactly that.

>>46735835
That is stupid, and burning down the house of a group of murderhobos just encourages them to go murder somebody else and take THEIR house.

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So, Magical Child is a spontaneous Cha Caster
Would going Dragon Disciple work for them?

And no, I don't know the sauce, I just googled "Dragon magical girl"

>>46735804
Kasatha starts with four. Then get the discovery that gives you more arms.

>>46735921
Oh yeah, so I could take two levels in Alchemist and then do whatever after. Thank you!

>>46728025
I actually preferred the slightly cartoony art in the original book.

Does anyone know if it is possible to make a convertion from D&D 5e to Pathfinder?

>>46735916
Yeah, there's no reason they couldn't go DD

>>46736010
>>46735916

In fact, they don't lose much for doing it

>>46735916
That is Baka Dragons, the cutest dumb show about dragons being cute and dumb.

>>46736000
I think a lot of people did, honestly. I don't know why they moved away from it.

>>46736008

Not really. They put too much emphasis on different things. Your best bet is to just try and make a character who can serve the same general purpose your 5e character did.

>>46736094
I guess they wanted a more consistent art style but, I enjoyed the early AP's art variety, how there were different styles even in a single issue. It made Pathfinder feel more unique and a little indy, but this was before Paizo got too big for it's own britches.

>>46735916
>>46736010
>>46736023

>Dragon Disciple Magical Child
>She thought life got complicated when a magic lizard showed up and gave her superpowers
>Now she's growing scales and can arm-wrestle orcs
>Nearly burned down the party's camp when she got hiccups that one time
>Dragon form is still wearing a scaled-up version of her Magical Child costume

>>46736361
WELP

TIME TO BUILD ANOTHER CHARACTER

Give me ONE martial class that isn't left behind by casters.

>>46736402
Magus

>>46736402
None of them. There isn't a single "martial" that reaches into T2 levels of gamebreaking horseshit, let alone T1 levels where they have multiple kinds and can pick and choose from those various kinds from day to day.

There are plenty that can kill stuff super good, though.

>>46735277

I don't really like bumping my own posts, but I'd like some opinions to work off of, please.

>>46736441
Nope
>>46736443
They can kill super good, but what about survival? offense means shit if you get disabled and blasted away in two turns by any wizzy twink

>>46736534
Barbarians, Paladins and PoW martials have really good survivability, compared to most other martials.

Barbarians have gobs of HP, DR/-, and with Superstition can have crazy big saves.
Paladins get tons of immunities, swift action Lay on Hands to self-heal, and big saves from Divine Grace.
PoW martials have counters and class features that help them stay alive.

>>46736534

Well, a half-orc Sacred Tattoo/Fate's Favored Invulerable Rager Barbarian with the Superstition tree can get some hilariously high saves, plus DR = 1/2 level increases survival vs. HP damage.

>>46736534
Pretty much all the PoW martials have pretty good survivability, Paladin and Superstitious Barbarian are also hard to take down.

But no, there's no martial class which won't get fucked six ways from Sunday by a prepared Wizard. That's the difference between a Tier 4-5 and a Tier 1.

>>46736361
What is the cutest race, /pfg/

I need to be the cutest magical girl.

>>46736738
Agathion blooded aasimar.

>>46736572
>>46736598
>>46736600
>third party shit

>>46736738
Eiremians, of course.
>>46736765
>Trustable 3rd party companies
>Not producing content leaps better than what paizo publishes 90% of the time.

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>>46736765
>Barbarians and Paladins are 3pp
>complaining about 3pp in /dspg/
git gud

>>46736765

DSP's stuff is generally considered pretty good.

If nothing else, the PoW martial was designed to do more than full-attack until the heat death of the universe, which I personally appreciate.

>>46736765
>Third party shit
>Two of three options presented are 1pp

>>46736765

Wha? None of the stuff in my >>46736598 post is third party.

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>>46736765
gr8 b8 m8, I r8 8/8; made me ir8.

>>46736791
>I somehow forgot that Ethumions existed.
I am a fucking retard.

Genkitouched Magical Dragon Girl is GO.

>>46731871
Sounds balanced, but over complicated and not super fun.

Personally, I've given up on having a balanced version of guns that also feels fun for the players. My solution is thus:

>I run a lot of campaigns set in a place sort of like Hyper Light Drifter X Adventure Time (i.e. its a fantasy setting where the "lost ruins of a great ancient civilization" are the ruins of a dystopian semi-scifi version of real life).

>Guns are rare, and so are bullets.
>The only people that have them tend to be extremely rich kingpins or very successful adventurers.
>Finding guns or bullets in the wild is pretty much limited to extremely dangerous ancient ruins.
>No one knows how to make bullets except maybe the occasional master alchemist can make shotgun shells or shitty knock off bullets for a high price.
>Similar deal for guns: maybe a master blacksmith can make a crude pistol or shotgun, after dismantling and studying an already existing firearm for months on end, and it will still be super expensive.

>Guns themselves are super strong
>ranged attacks vs flatfooted ac always
>very high flat damage, very little variance
>most firearms dont require action to reload unless changing magazines
>super over powered

Basically the only reason guns dont destroy the balance of my games is because the party probably wont find a gun for like 5 levels, and even then they'll only have like 2 bullets for months.

Out of the 5 campaigns I've played in this setting, 4 of the parties only ever used guns as a panic button. Stuff like "John if you don't kill the mindflayer this turn, we are going to get tpk'd" and "Holy shit he's gunna bomb the wall! SHOOT HIM!."

Admittedly, that 1 other party had a habit of saving their bullets for killing bbegs in like 3 turns... but whatever, i've learned since then.

>>46726956
>That last spoiler'd
Yeah, because after an entire campaign of sandbox exploration, kingdom-building, and epic warfare, obviously what the players really need is to get bitched at all-powerful beings and forced onto an un-fun railroad.
(Still, it's probably a good thing when the worst thing in an adventure series is one of the multiple, entirely-optional, ways to extend the campaign.)

Is http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/a-b/agent-of-the-grave
As good as it seems for necromancers to take?
Am I missing a key point that ruins it like many of paizos creations?

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So what are three solid class options for playing a Necromancer? Less so the 'I SUMMON A FUCK-TILLION SKELETON PEASANTS' kind and more the 'I summon a few powerful undead and debuff/blast/smack the shit out of things' kind.

>>46737017
>Mneh mneh muh caster level spell progression agains the ruruuus.

>>46737047
>Spirit Guide Juju Oracle
>Wizard
>PF-Converted Dread Necromancer

>>46737017
http://archivesofnethys.com/PrestigeClassesDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Agent%20of%20the%20Grave
Losing a caster level sucks. And you have to join the Whispering Way (unless your DM decides you don't).

Other than that, it's actually p. hype.

>>46737047
Wizard and maybe Arcanists and Sorcerers? are amazing debuff/death touch necromancers. Clerics are the ones who do the GOOD LUCK, I'M BEHIND 7000 SKELLINGTONS stuff.

I am currently running a pathfinder game set in Eberron and want to challenge my players a little more. So I came across this
https://sites.google.com/site/eberronpathfinder/conversion-info/bestiary/monsters/v-w/warforged-goliath

Apart of giving it Crush what should I do with it?

>>46737115

Do we have a conversion? I'd heard about the beguiler, but never anything about the DN (it was actually one of my favorite classes back in 3.5).

>>46737168
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?353181-Dread-Necromancer-Pathfinder-update-%28WIP%29

>>46737017
Nah, it's good. The feature assortment is a bit bizarre and you'll almost certainly never use at least one or two of the abilities depending on the campaign, but extra minions make up for pretty much anything.

>>46737047
Juju Oracle, Gravewalker Witch, Beast-Bonded Witch with Plague patron. The first for melee alongside your max-HP zombies, the second for being ranged-touch debuff king behind a minion wall, the third for Infinite Magic Jar Works to swap endlessly between disposable bodies.

>>46731871
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bszUMfGf7shmdA02LMg5fDdw30MbStShKPyvmtJRqpw/edit?usp=sharing
Just use this and call it a day, rather than trying to make firearms into overcomplicated monstrosities.

>>46737179

Huh! Looks pretty good. Thanks!

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Can I have some advice for my build? I'm doing a Great wizard of Oz kinda deal. Just level to lvl 3 in my group and I'm playing as a Rogue/Counterfeit Mage.
My Stats so far:

Str: 9
Dex: 14
Con: 12
Int: 18
Wis: 8
Cha: 18

My Stealth and SoH is really good too.
I'm playing cowardly in battle, and also managed to have a Returning Knife , but no wands yet. What feats should I pick up? How can I better range Sneak Atk in battle? How do I stealth in battle?

This is also my first character.

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>>46737074
>>46737124
>>46737215
First nah the gm doesn't care about the cult stuff, my characters backstory has that covered, but I must be blind as I can't find where I says I loose a caster level, not that it really matters because of feats boosting the caster level of the important(see necromancy) spells.

>>46737372
The first level of Agent of the Grave doesn't progress your spellcasting at all. That's where you lose the caster level.

>>46737372
You "lose" a caster level in that the first level of Agent of the Grave doesn't give you a caster level.

>>46737047

Well. Animate Dead animates a number of HD worth of monsters. As far as the spell is concerned, 10 1HD skeletons is the same as 1 10HD skeleton.

Personally I find the strongest necromancer in regards to number of HD you cant control is the Juju Oracle, you can control 6HD of stuff per caster level instead of 4 per caster level. Stack feats that boost your caster level (Mage's Tattoo, Spell Specialization, Undead Mastery, Spell Perfection) and grab an Orang Prism Ioun Stone. You can hit like 150HD of undead at like level 13, its crazy.

If you're not a huge power-gaming faggot about it, its not that broken, but its so hard to resist that kind of power when you know it exists...

Most the two DMs I play with regularly have banned this shit out right.

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>>46737387
>>46737399
>have been solely looking at the class on phone version of site, it blocked that one section
>completely missed it till now
Huh, thanks for pointing that out, not that that really effects my decision at all, just pushes back when I can choose it a level.

>>46736765
>Paladins
>Barbarians
>Third Party

Ignoring them, DSP is respectable, even as someone who's yet to use 3rd party

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So let's say I want to fight primarily by summoning swarms of bees.

Wat do, /pfg/?

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>>46738119
Nothing, because NO SWARM-COMPANION DRUID EVER

I'M MAD ABOUT IT

>>46735921
Witch with Vomit Swarm, Swarm-skin, Cloak of Wasps, Summon Swarm, and whip of scorpions

Fluff as bees as appropriate.

>>46738181

Admittedly, part of that is probably because swarms skullfuck anything that rely entirely on weapons, natural or otherwise, and if it gets distraction there's probably some faggoty trick that can turn your companion into "stunlock-inna-can."

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>>46738119
Compromise.

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/i/insect-plague
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/summon-swarm
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/swarm-skin

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Gunslinger guides and builds say that bolt aces can resolve all their attacks against touch AC.

The only way I can see this happening is if you take Sharp Shoot (resolve ONE attack vs touch AC). The guides seem to be implying that you take signature deed to ensure you are resolving your attacks vs touch AC, which isn't allowed since on:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/gunslinger/archetypes/paizo---gunslinger-archetypes/bolt-ace
it says that:
>>Performing this deed costs 1 grit point. This deed's cost cannot be reduced by any ability or effect that reduces the amount of grit points a deed costs (such as Signature Deed).

So are all the guides wrong? Are they old and Paizo decided that gunslingers were overpowered (kek), resulting in a nerf and the guides weren't updated? Or is there some other way of resolving attack rolls vs touch AC that all these builds are using that I don't know?

>>46738455
It was a nerf. The line forbidding Signature Deed was added in UC errata to all sorts of deeds, as was the nerf making Signature Deed once per round.

>>46738516
>UH OH, GUNSLINGERS ARE BEING MILDLY NOT GARBAGE AGAIN! GOTTA NIP THAT IN THE BUD!
God I hate Paizo sometimes. I hope Mark is actually plotting to bring them down from the inside.

>>46738455
>Are they old and Paizo decided that gunslingers were overpowered (kek), resulting in a nerf and the guides weren't updated?
This, as far as I know.

Bolt Ace gunslinger is still nice once you get Inexplicable Reload, though, since it means you can dual-wield Repeating Crossbows and give absolutely zero fucks about reloading feats.

This is quite an odd question, but is there any way to make it so that any natural 1 you roll is actually treated as a natural 2?

>>tfw want to play gunslinger but bolt ace is weak and I'm afraid of a musket exploding in my face

>>46738516
Fucking hell, that's a real shame.

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>>46738226
But you could just make the swarm Tiny, so it'd only have 1/2 damage reduction like an incorporeal phantom or a shadow! And distraction could be held off until late levels, or just nerfed down to sickened like on the wererat skinwalker!

>>46738600
Bolt Ace isn't weak at all. Not being able to hit touch AC isn't as bad as it sounds.

>>46738578
>>You can fire a repeating crossbow with one hand or fire a repeating crossbow in each hand in the same manner as you would a normal crossbow of the same size.

Unfortunately this implies that you take the -2 penalty for firing a light crossbow one-handed, on top of the -2 penalty for TWF.

That inexplicable reload sounds nice though, and as long as the player had enough balls to tell the DM that "loaded means I have a full magazine of bolts, not just having one bolt in each mag" it might still be decent.

>>46738634
Really? I like the idea of it but the penalties would just be horrendous.
>>-2 dual wield crossbows
>>-2 TWF
>>-2 rapid shot
>>deadly aim penalties a la power attack

19-20/x4 with bracers of the falcon and dex to damage after level 5 is nice I guess

>>46738634
I convinced my friend to play a Bolt Ace and he is fucking extremely weak. I heard it was good and now I feel guilty for recommending it to him. He misses most shots, does an average 4 dmg per round, and is nearly useless.

We are lvl 2 and our entire team is MUCH more useful than him. Can you give me some advice to make him not so sad that he took my recommendation (of which was a recommendation someone else gave me).

>>46738704
There's nothing stopping you from using a bigger crossbow DOUBLE MINOTAUR CROSSBOW ANYBODY and wrecking folks with that.

>>46738736
If he misses every shot with Full BAB and 18 or better Dex, then it's his dice, not the class. The slog to level 5 for Dex to Damage is a huge kick in the dick for ANY gunslinger type, and it's why nobody ever suggests ACTUALLY PLAYING a Gunslinger of any sort.

Really, the tl;dr is: if you want to be a ranged guy who isn't a spellcaster, the answer is always 100% "dude with a composite longbow".

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>>46738119
Or, you could become the bee.

>>46738704
True, you take some extra penalties to hit; maybe it would be better to go with a single Heavy Repeating Crossbow instead.

In any case, tons of attacks at slightly lower BAB tends to be slightly better than fewer attacks at a higher BAB- which is why archery builds tend to still outdamage Gunslingers (though Gunslingers can outright end encounters on occasion with a good crit)

>>46738856
Speaking of tons of attacks, if I have -1 Str mod am I better off with a bow or a crossbow of some sort? 3/4s bab class.

>>46738797
>>double minotaur crossbow
I saw that and was totally hype but given that crossbows are a two-handed weapon and a minotaur double crossbow is large, a medium character couldn't use it.

>>46738856
>>tons of attacks at slightly lower BAB tends to be slightly better than fewer attacks at a higher BAB
Huh, interesting - a heavy repeating crossbow with gravity bow would be a nice idea. 2d8 isn't too bad, and with rapid reload and crossbow mastery it's a free action to reload.

>>46738922
Crossbows can all be fired with one hand, they only need two to reload, like guns.

Also, weapons can be made in other sizes.

>>46739081
>Crossbows can all be fired with one hand

Oh, good point.

So, if a medium character wanted to, they could wield a large crossbow in two hands since a large character could wield it in one hand, but the medium character would still be taking a -2 penalty for the size difference?

>>46739267
Theoretically, perhaps.

Although that likewise MIGHT mean that you wouldn't have enough 'hands' to reload it.

Wouldn't be an issue with Inexplicable Reload though.

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Hey, I have a question. Is the Sensate Fighter Archetype compatible with Myrmidon? And with Myrmidon and WMH stuff (since you get to keep Weapon Training 1), would it be worth building? I mean, Sensate is essentially a Barbarian-lite in terms of bonuses and things.

>>46732547
Play an ex-bandit or a child to retired bandits. Raised in constant fear that the local Gold Dragon will wake up and take all your hard-earned stolen goods.

>>46732547
It's still a massive, fire-breathing example of biological perfection that's smarter, stronger and more powerful than you are.

It's not irrational to be afraid of the superior predator.

>>46735020
> Only has up to Summon Monster VII
not worth it.

New thread:
>>46739947
>>46739947
>>46739947

>>46739784
>>46739936
>Two consecutive answers to a post from 6 hours ago
nigga wut

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>>46739526
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/fighter/archetypes/paizo---fighter-archetypes/sensate-fighter-archetype
It is compatible.

You're giving up half your bonus feats and heavy armor for some maneuvers, uncanny dodge, and evasion.

How high level do you expect to get to? If it won't last that long, you might be better off with a Warlord.

>>46723165
half-fae shota catboy
again

>>46726883
Huh? We're playing through Kingmaker, just started Book 6, and were already 15th level when we started it. Our DM is predicting we'll probably be around 17th level when we finish, maybe 18th, and is considering running some stuff after that just to reach us to level 20. I'm eager to hear his rant about the whole adventure path when we finish, touching on all the problems he's had with it that were only noticable from the DM side of things- we've joked that after we finish the AP we'll have one more session dedicated just to him giving the full disclosure of his grievances.