MTG Modern General

>>46708062
>affinity doesn't give 2 shits when I drop a chalice for 0
Okay
And if you honestly think infect doesn't care about chalice for 1 you're also retarded, yeah, good luck playing a become immense after casting 0 1 drop spells, seems like a good idea.

I'll admit Jund is not great for my deck, but it still shuts off bolts and their discard. That can be as much as 1/4 of their deck, and that's a reasonable play for sure. Yeah it can get abrupt decayed, but if they don't have a follow up for my thopter sword combo they're going to lose.

>>46708123
He can cast all the 1 mana spells he wants you mong, read the card. Blighted Agent costs 2.

>>46708193
Do you really think become immense will resolve? It's essentially the only pump spell they can play, and between my 2 remand and 4 leaks, it's just not happening, infect cannot beat chalice for 1 if they have any sort of interaction to back it up. You're just wrong.

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>>46708039
>Buying, brewing, playing, tech.
Played Affinity last week: 2-0, 2-0, 2-0, 2-0
Played Resto-Kiki last night: 2-0, 2-0, 2-0, 2-0, ID

>Have you guys made any changes to adapt to the meta?
Yeah... I stopped playing Eldrazi.

>What changes are you noticing out of other people?
They stopped playing Eldrazi, too.

>>46708415
What resto kiki

>>46708504
Did this:
4 Arid Mesa
2 Celestial Colonnade
1 Clifftop Retreat
1 Desolate Lighthouse
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Island
1 Mountain
1 Plains
2 Sacred Foundry
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Steam Vents
3 Sulfur Falls
2 Detention Sphere
3 Lightning Helix
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Path to Exile
3 Remand
4 Serum Visions
4 Thought Scour
2 Grim Lavamancer
2 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
4 Restoration Angel
2 Snapcaster Mage
4 Wall of Omens
SB: 3 Spellskite
SB: 1 Wear // Tear
SB: 4 Anger of the Gods
SB: 2 Kor Firewalker
SB: 3 Rest in Peace
SB: 2 Stony Silence

>>46708557
I was like you once, except without kiki jiki, then everyone started playing burn, and you don't always draw your 4 of timely.

>>46708600
I ID'd vs Burn, but beat him 2-1.

2 Lavamancer, 4 Wall of Omens, 4 Bolt, 3 Helix, 3 Path and siding out 3 Remand/2 Sphere for 3 Spellskite/2 Firewalker is not easy for Burn.

What is the cheapest top tier deck in modern? Thinking about making the leap to modern from pauper because local players use a real stupid ass rule system.

>>46708745
"Cheapest" is a pointless criteria when you're pushing $1000.

>>46708745
If your LGS is full of people turning creatures sideways, UW Turbo Tutelage is really fucking cheap and will make guys with Tarmo playsets cry

Against combo it is not so good

>>46708745
Oh please share their rule system, I need a good laugh.

>>46708886
The store I used to visit banned blue from pauper entirely

>>46708039
>playing
Soul Sisters - Auriok Champion because I don't have the money for a Playset yet.

The deck is super fun to play, but I'm not sure if I'm running too many or too few lands. My highest cost is 5 with Archangel of Thune, but I rarely Hardcast it. 21 lands. but i may replace my two Brave the Elements with some more lands.

It's a fun deck, but will be more optimal with Champions, and maybe some Martyr of Sands.

>>46708745
I think infect is still p cheap if you use ons fetches. the expensive parts go in other shit.

>>46708745

Green Stompy is relatively cheap and has a solid gameplan. UW Tutelage isn't expensive but it has a hard time against Burn and some combo decks. You can probably build UR Delver relatively cheaply, but it isn't a very good deck right now. 8 whack is an aggressive weenies deck that has been somewhat popular and isn't expensive. Burn is always a decent deck, but certain staples are way too expensive for what they are.

>>46708925
Wow banning delver is one thing but come on teachings is a fine deck.

>>46709121
Banning blue from pauper and making kids and newcomers redraft their rares made so many usual customers leave

>>46708886
All Commons printed on paper allowed. It's the same 2 guys wondering why there is such poor turn out when they use broken decks.

I'm from the MTGO card pool and banlist as it's the only officially sanctioned Pauper by Wizards and the meta is good and played thousands of times a day.

A guy on an SCG deck tech wants Memeski Ascendency banned because it's "broken." Like what the hell is wrong with players in Modern these days?

How is Tutelage Turbofog for casual/FNM/local tournaments?

>>46709504
people cant handle the pure, dank nature of some combos. example: bloom titan

>>46709542
As it with all non-tier decks, depends on the meta.

>>46709504
A bunch of dicks tired of not being able to pay more to win want the storeowner to ban Howling Mine and such turbo enablers because modern turbofog is too much for them :^)

Life is full of idiots

>>46709542

Like I said in >>46708802, if your LGS has many combat focused decks, you will usually do good

>>46709567
>>46709602
Does Celestial Colonnade give the deck more anti-combo chance? Would Dragon's Claw or Safe Passage be acceptable anti-burn sideboard?

>>46709669
Since the deck doesn't play any conventional disruption you have zero game against Ad Nauseam and even the full 15 sideboard isn't enough to fix that, you win Living End just by denying combat damage.

>>46709702
What about the anti-burn sideboard?

>>46709669
Safe Passage is a great sb card and I never thought about dragon's claw, gotta write that down somewhere!

I don't really like colonnades, but they do indeed help smacking combo decks in the face during the first game, but always sb Dispels just in case

And my secret tech: 1 copy of Prahv, Spires of Order can save lives. And Invasive Surgery if your LGS has any Scapeshift players, even without delirium, can make a difference[\spoiler]

>>46709755
If you land a Firewalker followed by Tutelage, a mine and then fog all day every day I'd say the match is winnable, I'd side in some direct lifegain effects as well.

>>46709822
Sweet, thanks! I'll look into that stuff.

>>46708123
Isn't thopter sword amazing against jund if you can assemble the combo? All of their removal is 1-for-1, tokens blank lili and can chump goyf all day.

Abrupt decay obviously fucks you in the ass but you just gotta hope you draw more foundries than they do decays.

>>46709857
Also, if your LGS doesn't have many decks with mb counters, some people prefer wrath over supreme verdict

>>46709957
I haven't played constructed at my LGS yet because I just found it, but I guess I'll see if anyone plays regenerating creatures.

>>46710012
Good luck, then, hope you find our tips useful

>>46710079
It will be nice to have something to trade for. Right now, I'm that guy who looks at your binder and has good stuff in his, but you never have anything he wants.

>>46709351
>Banning blue from pauper and making kids and newcomers redraft their rares made so many usual customers leave
i wouldn't play at that store, either. that's like going back to your abusive/cheating girlfriend week after week because you're a thirsty beta and have no self-esteem.

>>46709504

They think combo decks shouldn't be allowed to be faster than aggro decks. Enjoy your value creature meta.

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What would happen to modern if some cards from hearthstone were added to the game. What about a card like unstable portal. I don't see it being any worse than collected company is.

>>46710689
Every fucking thread we have to waste time and internet to tell you faggots to fuck off.

>>46710418
"It really is capable of breaking the 'turn 4 rule,' which also isn't a rule, doesn't actually refer to turn 4, doesn't apply to decks that turn creatures sideways, and doesn't have anything to do with whether or not a combo gets banned."

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>>46710710
Is this a fitting card flavor wise? I think it is.

>>46710689
Taking the bait but wouldn't work in mtg because of the several dozen times larger card pool, different combat mechanics and much, much more heterogeneous design between creatures in different sets.

>>46708932
Martyr of sands is a requirement for the deck, it is too slow for burn otherwise

I play burn and every single match my friend who plays soul sisters hasn't gotten a martyr off, I've won

Consider norin the wary in the deck as well, it's hilarious

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Modern used to be my favourite format but after Eldrazi and so many recent price spikes I've found it hard. Is the new meta fun?

Thinking of building CoCo

>>46710870
Lol you weren't even playing before eldrazi.

CoCo is a card, not a deck also

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>Be new player
>thesepriceswhatthefuck.card
>Standard decks are 500 bucks and rotate out often
>Modern decks 1000 and above for any good deck, doesn't rotate out as much as Standard
>Pauper top decks 50 to 100 but idiotic local players use stupid rules and banlists.

Which deck would be a good investment for Modern? I do like Burn and Aggro decks, but anything that I won't have to drop 200 bucks on every release to replace cards would be cool.

>>46711907
Start with budget burn and work your way up.

The real question is... will they reprint Goblin Guide before 2017?

>>46711415
>Splinter Twin is a card, not a deck
>Pod is a card, not a deck
>Pox is a card, not a deck
BTFO tryhard

>>46711907
If you're going to go burn (which is a fine deck, btw), get 4x Bloodstained Mire/4x Wooded Foothills before they get ridiculous.

Also, Eidolon of the Great Ravel isn't getting any cheaper, so get a playset of those.

You're going to need those 12 cards for Burn and they're the cards that stand out as "not too expensive right now, but poised to go up considerably in value".

>>46712178
Also, Atarka's Command probably won't get reprinted soon and is relatively cheap now.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-08-14-modern-turbofog/

Do you think it would work? My meta has a lot of jund and affinity, so I should be able to ignore the damage

>>46710809
Kor Firewalker can stop the bleeding pretty well against burn game 2. Maybe I'll run two Martyrs just to tutor them up with Ranger of Eos.

>>46712178
Mah poor budget. I was going to spend like 20 bucks a week to slowly build up. Oh well.

>>46712017
Yea but CoCo isn't a deck retard. Do you mean Abzan? Elves? Bant? Shitbrew?

I've got a buddy that plays Lightning bolt. You like that deck? How about forest? That deck is dank

>>46712400
I would recommend getting those 16 cards ASAP (should be able to get them all for about $220 or so). Then fill it with chaff and work your way up very slowly after that.

>>46712401
garth take your ritalin

What are thoughts on Tezzerator with thopter combo?

>>46712437
That's so unbelievably out of my megear budget. I do appreciate the help though, I was hoping a modern deck could be something I worked on getting over time.

>>46712530
I can't get it to reliably beat the aggro in my meta.

On the other hand, I can at least work over burn and infect with this >>46708557

>>46712546

If you don't want to buy fetches, you can always build 8whack. The only expensive card is Goblin Guide and you can improve it later with stuff like Cavern of Souls or use Goblin King + Blood Moon. The downside is that it ultimately won't be as good as Naya Burn so it's pretty much a dead end and many of the cards aren't used in other decks.

>>46711907
Just play legacy most fun you'll ever have.

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>>46712546

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>>46712688
>having to fly 500 miles to just to play paper legacy

>>46712546
Don't play a tier 1 deck. Play this one:
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/401866#paper

Everything in it is super cheap. The hallowed fountains are manditory. The fetches can be any color, but they are super useful with sun titan recursion.

You are a dog to combo but you do really well against aggro. Tron puts it in your butt, too. You could play mono white in the meantime, using wrath and oblivion ring in place of verdict and detention sphere, but the UW version is waaaay better.

Storm used to be dirt fucking cheap, but its on its way up now. Dunno how it fits into the new meta.

>>46712821
>The fetches can be any color
Assuming they fetch plains, naturally.

>>46712774
>"playing" "paper" "magic"

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>>46712821
>Don't play a tier 1 deck.
Now that's the /tg/ I know.

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>>46712847
Fuck MODO. That piece of shit leaks memory like a sieve.

Or are you suggesting some garbage like xmage, where I can play in a shitty christmas land meta?

>>46712913
why wouldn't you want to play against decks unlimited by money, while doing the same with your deck?

Do you really like the idea of money replacing skill? Why then complain about legacy? They're the most skilled players of all, because in addition to having to afford legacy decks, they have the skill to book plane flights to play.

Get gud scrub, or get on xmage/cockatrice.

Is Burn even any good anymore? It got shat on by Eldrazi, and now the thopter engine means anyone can have a maindeck value engine that also invalidates my gameplan. I haven't seen it put up results in months. Should I just sell this pile?

>>46712880
He had budget concerns. The deck I linked packs a lot of power for ~250 bucks. Will it win him huge tourneys? No. Can he beat up on people at his FLGS? Maybe. Will it get him to modern tournaments, not completely gimp him, and at his 20$-a-week-budget he can buy it in a few months. He can get the bulk together almost immediately.

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>>46712401
>Company

>>46712958

I still do well with Burn but it might be because I'm extremely lucky and always get perfect hands in game 3 that win on turn 4, sometimes 3 if they use a path. I definitely recommend playing it just to upset people with your massive skill and put on a huge shit-eating grin while you ram Goblin Guides down someone's throat.

>>46712951
>why wouldn't you want to play against decks unlimited by money, while doing the same with your deck?
I prefer playing paper magic.

>Do you really like the idea of money replacing skill?
But it doesn't. There are plenty of people at my FLGS that aren't budget limited.

>Why then complain about legacy?
Because there's zero legacy action in my area.

>Get gud scrub, or get on xmage/cockatrice.
Get good? What are your accomplishments in mtg?

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Is pic related good in b/w tokens?

>>46713109
I ask because you were complaining about christmasland metas. Which seems to imply you were complaining about people having access to the cards.

>>46713141
Yeah, that card is pretty insane

>>46713152
I'm assuming the free online mtg metas are full of scrubs and shitty brews... magical christmasland as in no competition.

>>46713141
Only if you play enough nontoken creatures, so for it to be good you have to compromise your fundamental strategy.

>>46713031
>being this retarded

>>46713272
Nah, most of them are testing out t1 decks and practicing them.

>>46713309
It works with token creatures dying too, numbnuts.

>>46713349
In that case, I was wrong.

>>46713335
Nice one
10/10 comeback
would tell again

>>46713409
Thanks, I thought the green text made it really clever

>>46712774
Well if you're the original poster you would probably like to hear legacy burn is by far cheaper than modern burn c:

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>>46713372
Is this a joke?

>>46714076
I mean if you're really on a budget you could try Bane of Bala Ged. If you get it out T3 and it doesn't immediately get removed then you pretty much win the game.

>>46713141
>1/1 spirits
>dont have flying

There really are 100 different reasons to hate Kamigawa block.

>>46714184
If you're a faggot maybe

>>46713031
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. You're just proving his point.

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>>46714184
Everyone complained about the power level, but compared to SOI, Kamigawa block was broken.

>>46714129
No

>>46714335
Do you think that if the first ability had {1}{T}: sth sth it would be still broken?

>>46714435
It still might make Terminus playable in Modern, which would be interesting.

>>46714233
Saying Company isnt the name of a deck just because you put Bant in front of it is stupid.

In that case, Twin and Delver are deck names becuase you U/R Delver, Grixis Delver, U/R Twin, Temur Twin, ect

>>46714492
What about {1}{T} and replacing ability with anticipate on a stick?

>>46714501
Meant to put 'Twin and Delver arent' in second part

>>46714529
This kind of speculation is about as useful as custom card threads.

>>46714129
#tokendeathsmatter

>>46714579
What if I'm from R&D
Nah, just kidding. You're right.

Hi. I'm looking for a card, it's green and has a druid-looking guy and a lot of turtles. Thanks.

>>46714420
>whenever a creature you control is put into a graveyard from play
>creature you control is put into a graveyard from play
>put into a graveyard from play
>put into a graveyard

You're a moron

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>>46714501
anon those are legacy decks this is the modern thread

>>46714757
Are you trying to say that token creatures don't go to the graveyard? Because they do.

>>46714757
>110.5f A token that’s phased out, or that’s in a zone other than the battlefield, ceases to exist. This is a state-based action; see rule 704. (Note that if a token changes zones, applicable triggered abilities will trigger before the token ceases to exist.)

I'd call you a stupid motherfucker but I'm sure you've figured that out yourself

>>46714792
>thisisbait.jpeg

>>46714792
>>46714805
Nuh uh I asked my dad and he says you guys are wrong

>>46714858
He's not your dad.

>>46714858
YOUR DAD WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO POOR PISS OUT OF A BOOT IF THE INSTRUCTIONS WERE WRITTEN ON THE HEEL

>>46714863
You shut up!

Autism General

>>46714911
>poor

Heh, this fag made a typo

So, if I wanted to actually discuss Magic, which other site should I use?

>>46714997

A chainsaw brand discussion forum, probably.

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>>46714997
none. this is the best one. dead serious.

>>46714501
Yes but Company is much more vague than Twin or Delver. There are more Company variants then there are Twin and Delver. When someone says they are playing a Delver deck, you know more or less what kind of deck he's playing. Same thing when they say they are playing a Twin deck. You know what to expect. But saying you're playing a Company deck?

>>46714997
Get some friends

>>46714753
Sorry, but my question got totally lost in the spaghetti.

What's the name of the card with a druid-looking guy and a lot of turtles? I think its green.

>>46715057
>he doesn't play collected ezuri

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>Craig Krempels

>>46714997
What if I told you every other magic discussion website is full of casuals, baddies, and wannabee judges who suck awful DICK at magic and the hugbox mentality of every non 4chan website prevents people from telling them how stupid and shitty they are?

Basically you get the same at 4chan but we're honest enough to tell you when something is trash instead of "oh hmm yeah shared fate sounds like a cool deck let's give it a try xD"

>>46714997
Honestly mate, >>46715205 has it straight up. I go on MTGSalvation but it can be a bad place to be when you want to trash someone for posting a shitty deck that they're intentionally trying to make competitive.

Granted these threads are mostly made of Spikes but there are casual threads that pop up too. Timmys and Johnnys hang out around there. EDH threads also have more Johnnys than Modern threads.

>>46713141
I had this as a one of in b/w tokens and it puts in a lot of work. I wouldn't put in more than two as you need Souls to activate it, but it's very underrated tech. Feels like Lingering Souls' 5th copy.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/smell-what-the-rock-is-brewing/
This is the deck I've been playing modern with. It's budget. I still do pretty good with it. My shop has a lot of rogue budget decks that play "fair" magic and it crushes them. The more established decks give me a rougher time but they're not hopeless at all.

Tell me why my shit sucks and what would make it better. Suggestions other than upgrade to jund/abzan are preferred

>>46714997
Go on MTGS or The Source and avoid every thread except the primer for the deck you want to talk about. Even then, some primers are full of useless retards.

>>46715057
>Literally no other card with the name company
>More cards with name twin
>Company is more vague

>>46716674
>More cards with name twin
Which sees play in modern? Which are more well known? Which defined the fucking format? Quit being dense.

>Company is more vague
Twin: UR Twin, RUG Twin, UWR Twin, Grixis Twin. All of these decks play in a similar manner, some variants emphasizing different aspects, such as RUG focusing more on tempo, and grixis being more grindy. When someone says they play Twin you know what you're playing against: a URx combo deck with tempo and control elements.

Company: Naya Company, Bant Company, Abzan Company, Elves, Allies, Slivers, or literally any creature deck that has green in it can play CoCo. And they all play completely differently from one another.

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So are you on fleek with the dank memes like MaRo ?

>>46716674
They aren't talking about the card, they're talking about the deck and its construction. When someone says "twin" you know they mean a UR(x) tempo/combo deck thats primary win condition is an infinite combo with exarch and splinter twin. Compare to "Company" where it could refer to several different colors with several win conditions and different combos available to it. The guy who flipped out at the other guy for saying he wanted to build a "Company" deck is an autist don't get me wrong, but his point isn't completely off base.

Can someone give me the angel list that was on a modern torunament?

>not knowing what variant means
CoCo can be put into so many decks, that just saying company means jack shit.
Actually telling us what you intend to bring out with CoCo would help a lot more.

>>46717005
That one in the middle ain't bad looking.

>>46710229
I wouldn't have said it better

>>46715173
pattern of rebirth

Total newfag here. I haven't been on this board before, sorry if this is the wrong place.

I'm new to mtg (understand the mechanics / how to play etc) and was wondering if there are any good packs / kits to get me started? I know they're basic, I want to slowly build myself up and I will just be playing with friends (ie. I don't wanna spend 1000 bucks)...

>>46717447
Go on eBay a buy a "Box of 1000 cards" for 5$. Even better, buy several with your friends, spend 20$ and enjoy the casual goodness before buying playsets online.

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Check my deck senpai(s)
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/urzas-solitaire/
Is it solid?

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>>46717493

Hmm. I had a look, I wasn't sure if it would be too randomised. What about the Shadows of Innistrad Deck Builder's Toolkit? It looks OK.

>>46717522
It isn't even a working link. Go drink bleach faggot.

>>46717447
Right board wrong thread. Deck builder toolkits are about $20 at most big box stores (Walmart/target etc) and come with a couple hundred bulk commons/uncommons and lands to get you started. The box itself is good for card storage. Shadows over innistrad is the most recent set, start there.

>>46717522
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/urzas-solitaire/
Looks like Burn rips you a new asshole every time.

>>46717522
Almost as solid as my dick. Needs thought knot seers
>>46717566
it is though?

>>46717565
I don't know what it contains, but hundreds of cards for 20 bucks, even if really random, can be so much fun

>>46713309
>>46713372
>>46714129
>>46714757
>>46714792
Put into graveyard from play has been errat'd to die. Tokens die.

>>46717583
Apologies, I won't clog up the thread - I thought it looked good so I will suss it.
>>46717609
Maybe i'll just do this too, fuck it. Cheers.

How can I make Skred viable.

>>46717671
By adding blue and playing blue moon instead faget

>>46717699
Rekt

>>46717616
We dealt with that a while ago, sparky.

>>46717671
just wait until they've banned enough things in modern

>>46717699
but my favorite card is boros reckoner.

>>46717252
Resto and Linvala are the only modern-playable angel cards. To my knowledge there's no real "angel deck" in this format or any other.

>>46717252
This one? http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/399392#paper

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>>46717955
>>46717252
Not up to date on the latest dankest memes.

>>46717955
He's probably talking about this piece of shit: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=12048&d=269083&f=MO

>>46718032
>>46718039
It looks like shit fampais. Remember that MTGO dailies are also where shit like http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=12108&d=269448 goes 5-0.

>>46717671
Play in an aggro heavy meta and you'll eat people alive, it's great. Don't run mana rocks, spirit guides and faithless looting underperformed for me but you can try them, and magma jet is fantastic. That's some advice I have from playing it a while.

>>46718181
it got 30th in an scg open i think.

>>46718292
It was a 172-player classic.

>>46718367
it did a thing...

>>46718039
This deck makes me physically ill.

>>46718032
I will meme Gisela all the way

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>Tron sucks

Is there a greater feel?

>>46718478
>tron is the one weakness of all of my decks
>still get smashed by Karns/Ugins, Eye be damned
I want that fucking deck to die.

>>46718774
>be playing infect
>sit down across from opponent
>shake hands, roll dice, "glhf"
>he goes tower into map
>my heart skips a beat
>two turns later I'm mumbling "sorry"
>have 40 minutes of free time before the next round

I love tron.

So is mono green eldrazi tron the future of tron decks?

>>46718997
Isn't the time between round painful? Is the store credit really worth showing up just to goldfish in front of someone?

>>46719069
if it's a big event, I can either go get food or watch my friends games. if it's fnm I can try to jam some legacy. not my fault they choose to play a deck with no interaction before turn 3; I don't goldfish against many other decks. but yes, the store credit would absolutely be worth it.

>>46719069
You have time to scout out the players and talk to other people who've finished early, like your opponent.

>>46719069
>win with infect
>take out second modern deck
>play casual
i recommend skred or a combo nobody's heard of.

>>46719167
And eat, don't forget the food

Hey, had a quick question about MTG and figured it wasn't worth making a thread about so I'm asking here.

I'm just getting back into the game and was playing against some friends with my old Izzet deck, and I put down a Gelectrode one turn and put a Quicksilver Dagger on it the next and commenced to tapping assuming it would deal two damage. My friends however were saying that the Dagger's effect overrode Gelectrode's and I'd only deal the one damage and draw a card on the tap, which sounds bullshit to me.

Do tap effects stack? I feel like if they were doing it they'd say it stacked.

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>>46719329
Fuck. Forgot pic.

>>46719329
so the gelectrode will have two different abilities, both of which require you to tap it to activate them. so they don't stack. if it said something like "when this creature becomes tapped..." they would stack.

>>46719329
>Quicksilver Dagger
Not a Modern-legal card.

>>46719329
its like having a dollar coin and trying to buy 2 $1 pops. Each costs a dollar, you can't take the action of paying 1 dollar and get both pops just from them having the same cost

>>46719382
Ah, okay then. So if I had two tap effects on the same creature could I choose which one I want to activate or would it go by whichever one is most recently placed onto the card?

>>46719443
You choose. You decide which to activate, choose targets and other stuff, then pay the cost. You won't be unable to activate an ability just because it gained an additional one with a similar cost.

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>>46719352
Make a meme deck based around playing abunch of 0 mana instants/sorceries with that combo. Add all the pacts you can as that adds to your spell count. Maybe mix it with this deck.

>>46719443
Yes, you could choose which one, since the creature would have both abilities.

>>46719416
it's like you didn't read his post

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>>46719329
>a card has multiple tap abilities
>can I use all of them at once?
pic related isn't good enough for you as-is?

>>46719329
>I have one forest on the field and three Elvish Mystics in my hand
>They all cost one green mana so I should be able to play them all in one turn with my forest

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>>46719525
I checked to see if there wasn't an "MTG Casual" thread up, but sure enough the Commander thread is there.

>>46719588
you can't expect casuals to not post in the modern thread. they don't know what modern is.

Is spark elemental better than hellspark elemental?

>>46720004
I'd say no

>>46720004
just don't play either

>>46719190
>playing casual
Everybody hates my Burn deck, so I put together budget blue Affinity. They still lose, but at least now they're enjoying their losses

Update on the 32 man tourney playing burn

Went 4-0

Beat infect, elves, 8rack, and Kiki-chord

Won 9 packs :)

What's the name of the X burn spell that is essentially fueled by delve?

>>46721339
Conflagrate?

>>46719329
They are separate abilities.

>>46721315
no cut to top8? seems odd.

>>46721541
There was a cut, I went 4-0 and the top 8 drafted

dear tg, what do I cut from my jund board

2x grudge
2x finks
2x lavamancer
2x anger of the gods
2x fulminator
obstinate
damnation
NoSB
painful truths
nihil spellbomb
grafdiggers
duress

>>46721565
oh. I wasn't around for the post that the last one was an update to. in any case, congrats, anon. the IQ I went to today didn't fire :c

>>46717599
What do you recommend I change for burn matchups?

>>46721600
Meta?

>>46721600
Why is your post retarded?

>>46721621
Go UW. Get Path, Unburial Rites for Iona, and some SB stuff.

>>46721600
cut a lavamancer, a fulminator and an anger, add the painful truths to mainboard and cut the duress (or add more, I don't like the singleton but I like it as a thoughtseize replacement vs burn)

>>46721943
Thanks senpai.

Here's my American (UWR) Control deck

Creature (5)
4x Snapcaster
1x Vendillion Clique

Instant (28)
3x Cryptic Command
3x Lightning Helix
4x Lightning Bolt
3x Path to Exile
3x Mana Leak
2x Spell Snare
3x Remand
4x Electrolyze
2x Sphinx's Revelation
1x Spell Pierce

Sorcery (2)
2x Supreme Verdict

Planeswalker (2)
2x Ajani Vengeant

Land (24)
4x Flooded Strand
4x Celestial Colonnade
2x Arid Mesa
3x Steam Vents
1x Glacial Fortress
1x Hallowed Fountain
2x Tectonic Edge
2x Sulfur Falls
3x Island
1x Plains
1x Desolate Lighthouse

SideBoard (15)
1x Anger of the Gods
2x Leyline of Sanctity
3x Stony Silence
2x Rest in Piece
1x Negate
1x Celestial Purge
1x Dispel
1x Wear//Tear
1x Surgical Extraction
1x Vendillion Clique
1x Keranos, God of Storms
Any tips or comments would be appreciated

Who ShekelCityGames States-bound here?

>>46713665
>legacy burn is by far cheaper than modern burn
Not original poster but how?

>>46723642
Legacy burn is monored. It's like $200 unless you decide to run fetches for "deck thinning"/lavamancer fuel.

Gonna post again, sorry if this is annoying anybody.

I'm going to GPLA, booked a hotel and all, and I'm looking for roommates to help with the cost. Hotel is Courtyard Marriott. Let me know if you wanna work something out.

>>46719561
Has anyone ever played "whats banned" with someone who hasn't played magic for a while. Show them Griselbrand, Punishing Fire and Deathrite Shaman, then ask which is legal in modern.

>>46718032
Is that a really shitty Angel Stompy deck?

>>46717955
ISN'T THERE!

4 Indomitable Archangel
4 Baneslayer Angel
2 Archangel of Thune

4 Moat
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Suppression Field
3 Trinisphere
3 Rest in Peace
2 Armageddon

2 Coercive Portal
2 Talisman of Unity
2 Talisman of Progress

4 Chrome Mox
4 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
4 Cavern of Souls
3 Flagstones of Trokair
6 Plains

// Sideboard
4 Sun Droplet
3 Warping Wail
3 Swords to Plowshares
2 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
2 Helm of Obedience
1 Rest in Peace

Is it a good idea to sell my Expedition Watery Grave to buy two Overgrown Tombs and some fetches?
Need them to finish a deck but I don't want to make a bad investment.

Borrowed my friend's shardless BUG legacy deck today and loved it. Is there a similar modern deck? I like that pro-active mid-range style deck.

Preferably not Jund or Abzan

>>46724749
Honestly, I see expeditions staying at the same price or even lowering in price in the next year or so because of reprints, deck popularity, etc.

Also, as long as bfz packs and boxes are standard retail price, expeditions will not go up very much.

But once it goes out of print, if you wanna wait like 5-10 years, your watery grave will double in price.

>>46724830
Shardless is pretty much the apex of value decks in regular magic. There's nothing comparable to it in modern. We would be close if Shardless agent was modern legal

>>46724922
I see. I will then probably sell it and try to win tournaments with the decks, so I can get more boosters and stuff.

How is Primeval Titan in the meta right now? Wondering if I can use him in anything that's worth a damn.

>>46725031
Titanshift.

>>46724830
Grixis control?

>>46725031
Since bloom got banned, prime time has found a home in RG scapeshift/titan shift. Its okay at the regular fnm level but not sweeping any large events

>>46725087
Got a decklist for it?

>>46725131
Damn, that's a shame. I have a soft spot for fat creatures and just want to use something that isn't meta.

>>46725189
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=12062&d=269202&f=MO

Deck would actually be pretty budget if scapeshift wasn't fucking $50

>>46725225
Nice, thanks bruv.

>>46724954
figured, just curious if there's a similar playstyle.

>Get threat on board
>Protect proactively with discard
>Protect reactively with counters
>Use removal to get the threat through

>>46725102
Any specific list?

>>46725372
>Any specific list?
Nah, just run a normal list with some AV.

What top tier deck almost never changes?

Looking to slowly build a deck over a year.

>>46725988
Affinity has been a tier 1 deck since the creation of the format.

>>46726132
Affinity it is.

How popular is Modern in local scenes? I loved Pauper but arguing ban lists and rules with retards just got old.

>>46726271
I live in socal and my modern fnm is larger than the standard turnout

>>46722892
I never had much success with Ajani Vengeant, sadly.
Pierce seems like it should be in the SB.
4 Electro seems like overkill.
2 Rev is alot for a 24 land deck
Consider cutting back on the remand/mana leak arangement.

Looks decent though, how are your MUs?

>>46722892
Surgical Extraction is a trap, it only hurts Grishoalbrand and you're dead on turn 1 to that shit anyway. It's not great vs Living End since they can just hardcast fatties even if you draw the 1-of before they go off.

>>46725988
Affinity, but it would be hilarious if it got banned next January.

>>46717955
4x Sublime archangel
4x Silverblade paladin
4x Cathedral of war

It's shit, but hits hard.

>>46726669
Extraction hurts melira chord too.

>>46726300
SoCal too, mind if I ask where?

>>46726997
He already runs like 20 pieces of relevant interaction with the combo mb and RiP+Anger in side. Fucking Pithing Needle (naming Viscera Seer in this case) would have more uses.

>>46727023
True, just mentioning that it has more than one use.

I run Lantern Control so I use it to exile Grudges.

>>46727074
In Lantern Control the card actually advances one's gameplan since it gives you info on their deck/sideboarding, hand and shrinks the set of relevant cards in your opponent's deck, making your lock more resilient to variance (3-4 runners in a row when you have only 1 millrock etc). UWR can just counter everything it can't deal with it if it hits the board.

>>46725189
>I have a soft spot for fat creatures and just want to use something that isn't meta

Quest.dek

>>46727169
Care to explain?

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>>46727189

Thoughts on this Burn deck? Would I be able to upgrade it later?

>>46727268
>burn player doesn't know how to post a list
Fitting.

>>46727268
Fucks sake. Here is the link.
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-67-13-tix-modern-mono-red-burn

>>46727277
Well I started with Pauper but lol Chain Lightening. So I have most of the cards already.

>>46727207
How well does this do? It looks really fun and cheap money-wise but looks too slow to get going for modern, as well as being really easy to sideboard against.

>>46727339

Not very well. It's dead in the water if you can't get a quest early so I wouldn't take it to a LGS with serious FNMs where everyone has tier 1 decks. It's pretty fun when it does work. If you fear enchantment destruction, bring Turn Aside.

>>46716928
>>46717015
Didn't Twin get banned?

>>46727845
Yes it did, but that wasn't relevant to the discussion they were having.

All twin decks were the same shell but some splashed different colors. Twin defined the deck.

Collected Company can be used in a large variety of decks. All it does is let us know the deck is creature heavy and mainly 3 CMC or less, it can be anything beyond that.

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>>46714129
>>46714757

If you order cards online and they're in worse condition than advertised, is any legal recourse available?

If you had to pick one deck to give a newbie to learn the game, which would you give them?

>>46728755
Jund or Abzan Chord. Not difficult to play, not completely brainless.

>>46728755
Probably Burn, since he only needs to remember to breathe in order to pilot he can focus on his opponents and pick up the plays from them.

>>46728881

This. Burn is fun for a newbie, because they're going to be doing SOMETHING each turn, and getting tangible results. Every turn will result in a creature being removed or the other player taking damage. Lots of one and two drops too, so they're not stuck looking at the same cards every turn.

Did SCG Columbus modern tournament already end? And if so, where the hell are decklists?

>>46709914
That's an unlikely scenario though with my removal and scooze. I've crushed almost all of the new meme decks.

>>46729136
i think top 8 is today. their site should have it.

>Want to play burn for the new meta now that eldrazi are weaker
>Friends keep telling me that Infect is the way to go
>Infect folds to burn and everyone else is picking up Burn as well

Do they have a point or should I just stick to burn? I can also try Naya Zoo since I would only have to pick up a few cards.

>>46729282
infect doesn't fold to burn. it's not a great matchup, sure, but "fold" is strong. it's like 55-60%in burns favor. burn is a fine deck, though. totally viable in the new meta.

>>46729282
With Infect you have better game against everything else now that Twin is gone and grindiers decks with Foundry Sword (that Blighted Agent or t2 lethal elf don't care about) are on the rise, further improving your game since it doesn't care about life total.

>>46729427
>>46729399
eh, perhaps, but I haven't had too much of a fun time with infect against burn and control decks (jeskai, grixis, scapeshift).

Maybe I should play burn based on my local meta?

>>46729282
I don't enjoy Burn because I consider it boring to play, but there's nothing wrong with the deck itself.

Infect is for people who don't like playing Magic at all. There are only ever 3 states:
>You don't have what you need to win (Loss)
>You have what you need to win and opponent doesn't know when to use removal (Win)
>You have what you need to win but opponent DOES know when to use removal (Loss)
That's it. No thought. No interactivity.

>>46729458
You do what you want but Infect is the overall superior deck against the field. Sure Burn might work better in local games where everyone brings the same deck almost every week and are already metagaming against particular sideboard cards.

>>46729481
I don't think you've ever played infect. or you're just bad. either way, no one should be listening to your advice.

>>46729549
Not him but that's literally how the deck plays. If Infect player has n+1 answers where n is the amount of removal the other player has it wins by default. Melira post-side sucks but then again it just gains them 10 life, krosa+krosa+mutagenic into become immense still hurts.

>>46729549
I've played with Infect a little and played against Infect a lot. If Infect is missing [Creatures or Pumps], it loses. If the opponent has removal but plays it wrong, Infect wins. If the opponent has removal and times it right, Infect loses. There are literally no other states.

>>46729549
Not the guy you replied to but it sounds a lot like what I've experienced while playing infect, and in a local meta that has a large amount of removal I don't think that it would be worth playing infect in my LGS.

>>46728755
Bogles.

I gave a casual a Bogles deck and he had a good time at FNM. Next week I gave him Junk and he spent a shitton of time reading all the cards and wasn't making optimal decisions at all.

>>46729834

This is key for decks for new players.

Keep it to cards with minimal effects. It's why Burn works well for newbies, most of the cards is "do X damage to target".

>>46729857

I second this. And later, they can read the whole card and realize they can do more things with their spells and get more wins than they initially did.

>>46729672
I don't understand why you're oversimplifying it so hard. do you realize that literally EVERY matchup in magic can be reduced to "lol if they have more answers than you have threats you just lose" ? I guess none of magic takes any skill at all. we should just show up and fucking roll dice.

>>46730098
Found the infect player

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Why does burn get a bad rap for being an easy deck to play?

It's one of the most fair decks in the format, it doesn't combo off or cheat in fatties or kill you with 10 damage on turn 3

I think the only reason people hate it so much is because if they lose to it they have no excuse and have to resort to ad hominem

>>46730278

I actually play Burn, but I understand why people don't like it. It's hardly the most cerebral deck. It doesn't require total make or break decisions, and it doesn't have many contingency plans if it doesn't pan out.

I look at it like playing a rushdown character in a fighting game. If the rush works, you win. If it doesn't, you're wide open.

>>46730278
Repeating myself:
Because Burn doesn't involve any decision trees, the games with and against it are solved from the get go (given optimal play of course, lots of aggro babbys are stupid enough to Atarka pump blindly and not play around lifegain effects g2/3 etc) which is basically the same as rolling a die to determine the winner. This isn't fun nor interesting, but something lots of people have to deal with it on a weekly basis.

>>46730278

Because even a retard can get wins with it so they feel cheated when they lose to someone getting lucky and quadbolting them. That said, only baddies complain about burn. It's easy as fuck to sideboard against and if it hasn't won by turn 4, the odds of it getting anything done decrease dramatically. And while it's true that most of the time there's not a lot thought going into what bolt variant in your hand you're going to play at the time, the same can be said about any other deck: you look at your opening hand, spend 5 seconds thinking about what the optimal first 2 turn plays are and go autopilot. They just like to pretend dropping a Kitchen Finks on the table takes more skill than bolting.

>>46729399
This meta isn't new; it's old. If AV/SotM fail to make an impact, we're back to the exact same square we were at before Eldrazi hit.

>>46708745
Look up green's sun's zenith

>>46730486
And note how it's on the ban list.

>>46730463
But Splinter Twin was legal before Oath dropped.

>>46730500
Green's != green
He's talking about Dictate of Karametra/Heartbeat of Spring combo.
Which is a pretty bad deck, even if it's cheap. Definitely not top tier.

>>46730541
There was a period of time before Eldrazi took off that was just Affinity v Burn v Infect.

>>46730380
>Burn doesn't involve decision trees
Anon just because its not blue does't mean you don't make decisions
If the deck didn't take some level of skill to play there wouldn't be pro players who are reliably better with burn than others

>>46731340
The ones that are know the metagame and grind larger-than-FNM events, that's literally it.

>>46731340
You're autistic. Compare a pro player and a new player playing burn, and then playing amulet bloom. The pro player is going to win every single match most likely with amulet bloom, but it will probably be marginally in favor if at all if they were to play burn.

>>46731391
>propose comparison
>make up result to comparison in your favor
Nice anon

Duh more Combo/Control centered decks take more skill and have a higher skill cap than burn (most of the time). The former decks have both interal complexity and reactive complexiry, whereas burn is most all reactive complexity. Saying burn takes no skill is just buttblasted-shitposting

Total noob question: A creature token is a creature for the purposes of them being put on the board, right?

So if I play Foundry Street Denizen, then Dragon Fodder, the Foundry Street Denizen gets 2+/0+, correct?

>>46731908
Yee, tokens are red, enters the battlefield as a red creature, triggers Denizen twice.

>>46731884
Buy it does literally take no skill. There is ano actual non functioning retard at my lgs and he plays burn, and it's a pretty competitive store, but he still wins, and he's retarded. Asked him why he always plays burn, he said it's the only deck he understands

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>>46732216
>that one butthurt autistic dude who shitposts about burn requiring no skill
Oh hey, it's you again. Why don't you trip so I can filter you?

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>>46732358
I think a card like this should be added to the game. It would help to make burn take some skill as opposed to being an auto win deck.

>>46732358
>seven times three is 21, hard!

>>46732479
>protection from red
>enchantment
anon whoever made this card is retarded. Also, it's busted, and you are retarded.
Blue-spergs BTFO

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>>46732479
I'm reporting you.

>>46732516

Why are you seriously replying to him? Do you also argue with the retards that claim Infect is a combo deck?

>>46732511
>you have 4 turns to stop me from doing my thing
This is the whole modern format. Decks that don't kill turn 4 have a lock or big advantage by turn 4. Your deck is shit if you can't compete with burn.

>>46732564
but anon-kun Tron /is/ control

>>46732479
Fuck off.

>>46732358
People forget that competetive magic requires meta game knowledge and experience. Burn may be an easy dec to pilot and doesn't require as much thinking as say Jund. But it still does require you to play correctly, to be knowledgeable about the game. You need to know when and when not to do certain actions, went to fetch and what to fetch for, when to hold out anti life gain or be super aggressive. These aren't super difficult decisions but they do come up every game. I and 5 other players play burn at my LGS every Friday in a 20-30 man FNM. Just about every night my buddy(on burn) and I go 3-1 or 3-0-1 or 4-0 while the 4 other burn player are shit. They sideboard wrong, they play weird sideboard cards and seriously just play unga bunga. Burn doesn't require "no skill" just little skill compared to other decks.

>>46732479

>if an effect were to make it so you could not gain life, you gain life instead

what the fuck so it hoses all of 5 cards in the game? you "gain life"? it doesn't specify shit. it would need to read "if a spell or ability would prevent you from gaining an amount of life, instead gain that much life."

and you're hosing life gain hosing.

also
>enchantment
>pro red
yeah because watch out for someone fucking bolting your enchantment

>1w/u target burn player loses the game

i dont even need to tell you how retarded this card is.

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>>46732895
>>46732895

New thread

>>46711907
U/W is stupid cheap right now

>>46732776
But burn is fragile deck, just like Affinity. When people create a deck the first thing they ask themselves is "Can I defeat at least 2 of burn, infect or affinity? If I lose game one, which sideboard cards can I put in to make the game easier to me?".
Because these decks are common, there is also a lot of hate for them. Removal and Melira for infect, Kataki and Stony Silence for affinity and Leyline and lifegain for burn.
Burn is especially frail because lifegain and Leyline of Sanctity and lifegain can stop other decks, like 8rack, jund (Leyline) and any aggro deck really (lifegain).

>>46717671
By being a good player. It's a difficult deck to pilot correctly and losers need not apply

>>46732516
>>protection from red
>>enchantment
Not the retarded /ccg/ reject, but Destructive Revelry.

>>46732776
>when to fetch and what to fetch for
Your fetch for the mana necessary to cast the cards in your hand, or of you have a seering blaze, you fetch then
>>46732776
>when to hold out and when to be super aggressive
Are they playing white or green? No? Okay well then play super agressive.

>>46732787
>>46732516
Hey, a pro-red enchantment DOES stop Destructive Revelry. So it does its job.