Anarchist/Communist settings

>>46698227
You read up on how anarchists ran the show in places with over a million people?

There were anarchist pockets in pre-fascist Italy with orders of magnitude more than 500 people.

No Anarchists, Communists or even Socialists that DM?

>>46698227
>How do you solve these issues?
Accept state, order and safety

>>46698424
Fine, since my first post wasn't enough.

They have committees, unions, arbitration, etc. They'll have assemblies all over the place, and delegates with a very specific mandate for a very specific question can also be a thing, but you'll get recalled and or lynched if you overstep that.

Plus, there are ample narratives that take place in Anarchist settings, like The Dispossessed by Ursula Le Guin, or the whole Culture series.

Is this a fantasy setting, or science fiction?

Are you even talking about an actual game?

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>>46698227
You have benevolent super intelligent AIs run everything.

>>46698227

>/pol/

>>46698227
>>/epg/

Not sure if this is critiquing anarchism, in which case go to /pol/ or if you are legitimately interested in a tabletop game, in which case check out eclipse phase.

>>46698227
What issues?

You said you can't see them working but you never explained WHY. It's like you think that merely stating that they're anarchist/communist is an explanation in and of itself.

>>46698227

Communism only works in fantasies. Let them have it.

Have society remain in states of 500 people or less. More opportunity for roaming warbands of adventurers.

Have it divided in communes of 150< where everybody does what he enjoys. Intercommunal decisions are done by assembly with a representative from each commune.

For the rest as it is fantasy anarchism think of a country that is made out of Mr.Rodgers fans that decided that they will never be good enough neighbours in huge cities where there are too many people to care about or where there is somebody with power and possibilities to abuse it and so they built their own country where everything is small scale enough to be relatable.

Make them huge hypocrites and essentially dictators and then get them fucked over by actual, organized communists.

Just like how it worked in real life.

>>46702963
Daily reminder: communism never existed because capitalism hasn't ended and the proletariat never seized the means of production.

You let it grow in to Democracy or Totalitarianism. The problem is that at a certain size a population can not logistically have the majority speak so they elect a person to speak for them (Democratic) or somebody proclaims they will speak for them (Totalitarian).

It does not matter if they send their labor leader, a politian, a village elder or a random person they become a representative democracy.

Any kind of Anarchy can not exist outside of small villages were distance and lack of governance render it pointless. The system is utterly unable to address external problems such as war, monitoring trade, defense. By definition it rejects nationhood and compliance with the whole.

>>46703039

>it wasnt TROOOO communism!!

Yeah no. Communist dictatorships have always ended up in failure.

>>46698227

Luckily most medieval communities had less than that many people. Just have what few cities and towns that exist be heavily handicapped in how much wealth is allowed to accumulate there. Make the mediums of exchange decay- eg. flour, credits with expiration dates, or magical gems that fade and crumble to dust after a time so wealth can't be horded and used to buy up capital.

Otherwise just make sure the power-base in said areas are spread out reasonably well or only held by just people.

If the wizards and clerics are in favor of keeping it that way then what any counter-revolutionary bitch nigga peasants or knights gonna do?

>>46703039
>Daily Reminder: My specific brand of Communism has never been tried.

Yes they did boyo. Read about nations other than Russia and China. It cannot work.

>>46703039
You all forget the means of production is a small part of Commie life. What about the perpetual revolution, the abolition of all statehood and nationality, the regression of women to the home, the destruction of needless labour practices?

No, fuck all that, you just don't want to work. You dream that in such a Commie future -YOU- would be the bean counter.

>>46703131
>>46703180
Nope. Had you read Marx, you would know that the alleged "communist" revolutions were going to fail because it wasn't the right historical moment. The populace hadn't attained political consciousness and remained led by privileged dictators.

>>46703272
>the regression of women to the home
It's 2016. Ditch the manarchism.

>>46698904
>Implying the Culture isn't just a subtle oligarchy.

>>46703276
China, Russia, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Yemen, Mongolia,Eat Germany, Poland , Angola, Benin, Mozambique, Czech Republic, Ethiopia, Cuba, Laos, Hungary Georgia, Somalia, Ukraine, Latvia, Belarus, Estonia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Lithuania, Moldova, Uzbekistan, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia and more.

You would think one of them could get close without killing a shitload of people and throwing back their country 100 years.

>>46703295
No idea what that is until i googled it, but they would be another argument for property rights and private ownership.

>>46703443

To be fair, the US had a lot to do with the situation in Cambodia and the commie Vietnamese did expose the commie Khmer Rouge's mass murder.

>>46703499
Exposed becausethey could profit, IE we are true Communism not them. Having previously condoned it, again universal brotherhood is the central tenant of Communism but people focus on the means of production, thus forevermore proving the point that people will put their own wants and needs ahead of the whole and care only for the material rewards and not their brother man.

>>46703443
Name one of those that was led by the people and not by dictators. Name one of those countries that successfully passed through both capitalism and socialism.

Communism hasn't happened yet because it is a historical condition, not merely a movement.

>>46703644
Every rebel movement in every nations history has been led by the upper-middle class. Communism is unobtainable to us all as it requires going against every urge in our makeup, the urge to compete, to provide for our own, to reap our own reward. Besides you ignore all other points I make.

What stops 'The People' from following the same path as the Dictator? You need a massive Bureaucracy to run a nation guided by Communism and the 'People' would be ideally suited to make it even worse than the upper-middle class as no Bureaucratic jobs are available to the working class as they are middle-class.

>>46703757
>What stops 'The People' from following the same path as the Dictator?

It's called Dictatorship of the Proletariat for a reason.

>>46703771
As so fuck Universalism and just fuck over the rich. You want to engage in class warfare, something Communism tries to erase entirely with a classless system of Government.

The irony is so thick you could bottle it, but not sell it. As you also want a moneyless system .

>>46703893
>communism
>government

Communism is the abolition of the state, or can only exist after statism has ended.

>>46703909
It supplants the state, it fulfills the same directives as goverment. It maintains economic and social policy to perpetuate itself in to the future.

It is the abolition of the -class- state to one of classlessness, it is a meams of governance.

I'd like to see a Socialist/Communist foil of the cyberpunk future that is dominated by an all powerful world government rather than corporations.
Heavy focus on advanced 3D printers to supply gear to this worlds equivalent of Shadowrunners, and while you can print guns and bombs, The Man is always going to have better gear than what you can make yourself back at home.
There is no death sentence and the Government possesses advanced medical sciences that can basically raise the dead, but once your alive and in custody, you'll be "reeducated" and most likely will never commit another crime again.

>>46703126
>The problem is that at a certain size a population can not logistically have the majority speak so they elect a person to speak for them (Democratic) or somebody proclaims they will speak for them (Totalitarian).
Says who?

>>46698227
>I just can't picture such a system working in populations of >500. How do you solve these issues?+ 0 post omitted.
Nice bait /pol/.

>>46704450

Says reality.

>>46704506
Quite the solipsist aren't you?

>>46704506
> Says reality.

But... we're talking about narrative game settings here. Maybe you're looking for a different board?

>>46704601
Work with 50 people, shit work with 10 and watch people undercut each other and try and lead. Now add 950 more and watch shit break down.

>>46703443
Eat Germany
Sounds Delicious

>>46704670
What about the Commune?

>>46703563
>Exposed becausethey could profit, IE we are true Communism not them.
Wow, I guess US would expose ugly evil guys just for the sake of humanity and would never cooperate and ally with mass murderers, corrupted dictators and evil regimes.

A truly anarchic setting wouldn't work because it is an impossibility. It's not even that I think humans are too wild and must be tamed or any authoritarian thing like that, it's that the nature of a society at all is that, simply by definition, there will be social rules and consequences to enforce those rules. Unless everyone is living alone about 5 miles from the next human and doesn't ever meet with anyone else except to mate, there will be societies and thus there will be sets of rules and loose enforcement of them even without a formal government.

If you just want no formal government, just take nearly any postapocalyptic setting or really anything where there's a crisis going on which has disabled or destroyed the government. Hell, you could even make the case that most fantasy settings will probably be effectively anarchist outside of large cities, and even the large cities probably won't have any enforced laws other than don't steal or murder too much.

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>>46698424
Commie here. Unfortunately, I'm not particularly familiar with Anarchism.

>>46698523
How is that different from the way Soviets worked?


>>46698904
> You have benevolent super intelligent AIs run everything.
Yeah. The retarded Culture. Humans are basically pets.

You could run lots of interesting economic systems with a uniform population of fanatical self sacrificing saints. It's those fallible self interested humans who keep gumming up the works. Who knows, some alien or fantasy race might be different.

>>46698227
It wouldn't work? It didn't work in real life because you only need one asshole to ruin the group's work. It certainly wouldn't work on tabletop because PCs are gonna PCs.

>>46704296
> I'd like to see a Socialist/Communist foil of the cyberpunk future that is dominated by an all powerful world government rather than corporations.
> dominated by an all powerful world government
It's not Socialist then.


>>46706730
> self interested humans
It's the other way round.

Marxism is based on self-interest (of both workers and capitalists) that makes class struggle happen. It simply states that only enlightened self-interest of workers has any chance of stopping it.


When did /tg/ turn to /pol/?

>>46706774
>When did /tg/ turn to /pol/?
To say it turned implies a change. It just wasn't as apparent.

You could say it's because fifteen years of western political decline got people on edge. You could say Gamergate put a lot of anons back into the siege mentality of the Bothered About D&D times. You could say it's the effect of Internet echo chambers on human communication. You could say it's just you tolerating dickheads less as you age. But the borders between boards were always very porous.

>>46706774
That enlightenment might be the sticking point. Again, elves might pull it off.

>>46706774
That enlightenment is the sticking point, isn't it? Again, elves or sectoids might manage to pull it off.

>>46706924
Crap, double post.

>>46706894
Of course, then we get another problem.

"How did this species develop such an enlightenment while sharing a planet with humanity?"

The thing about high fantasy settings is they tend to be even /more/ hostile to sapient life than the real world is, while somehow having a greater number of sapient species. Many of the competitive instincts of humans can be interpreted as ancient necessities to compete for food and water re-routed to whatever it is that's being fought over - jobs (money = food and water), territory (land - food and water), religion ("the infidel is gonna take our food and water!"), prestige ("if I get laughed out of the community for being an absolute joke, I don't get food or water"), or whatever have you.

So where are the Elves living that food and water is so plentiful they've never needed to compete or organize with one another?

>>46706924
Humans have co-ops, do they not?

>>46707185
Humanity is the only example of a sapient civilized species we have for reference. An ascended ant colony might have a different perspective, elves are magic and ain't gotta explain shit, and aliens are alien. Scarcity of resources is a universal problem, though.

>>46707250
Not on a society wide scale without lots of mass murder or calamitous inefficiency. Not yet anyway.

>>46698421

Also look at areas during Spanish Civil War. Early stages of the war you had socialist, communist and anarchist areas all working together with sizable populations.

>>46706634
>Yeah. The retarded Culture. Humans are basically pets.

It's funny to me that the Culture seems like a parody of left-wing thought despite being written by an actual lefty

>>46706774
>When did /tg/ turn to /pol/?

It's an election year. Everyone seems to be going full retard, not just in gaming circles.

Feels like it gets worse every year, but its probably just because I hate everyone a little more as I get older. especially myself. I feel dead inside

>>46709028
Why? People can be critical of their own ideas.

>>46707185

>such an overabundance that fighting doesn't happen

No such place exists or ever could exist for any living organism. If abundant resources exist, a species will multiply until it competes with itself. This is actually one of Darwin's postulates.

The only way that harmony like that could exist is if some other factor existed that limited their growth and/or resource use, in such a way that they cannot bypass it. Maybe there's only X number of elf souls and thus their population has a natural limit?

>>46711884
This guy knows his shit. Ir is the tragedy of the commons, we are for the majority unable to self regulate.