Warhammer 40k general.

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>>46626583
He secretly hates you anon, he have been lying to you.

>>46626583
f-fuck you.. ;__;

>A rising sense of unease swept over Numitor as he realised his armour’s systems had shorted out entirely. The serial generators of his backpack were silent as the grave. The captain took a heavy step forward, then another, but it was real effort. Many of his squad did the same, stamping the roof involuntarily as if its gravity had increased threefold. Veletan stumbled, and fell with a heavy crash.

>The machine-spirits of the Ultramarines’ battleplate were utterly dormant. What had once been some of the finest personal wargear the Adeptus Mechanicus could devise was now little more than dead weight. Numitor’s axe fell from stiff fingers to clang hard onto the roof.

>The captain’s sense of rising disquiet increased as he saw strange, hooked hands curl over the lip of the tower. Avian heads, beaked and quilled, were just visible in the gloom. Gangly silhouettes hauled themselves up and over the edge of the roof – a dozen, then two. With a grinding effort, the captain unholstered his bolt pistol, aimed and pulled the trigger. It too did not respond, its belligerent little machine-spirit exorcised by the tau’s nullifying witchery.

>The captain’s sense of rising disquiet increased as he saw strange, hooked hands curl over the lip of the tower. Avian heads, beaked and quilled, were just visible in the gloom. Gangly silhouettes hauled themselves up and over the edge of the roof – a dozen, then two. With a grinding effort, the captain unholstered his bolt pistol, aimed and pulled the trigger. It too did not respond, its belligerent little machine-spirit exorcised by the tau’s nullifying witchery.

>The oily stink of the xenos mercenaries known as the kroot filled his nostrils, so pungent it made his eyes water.

>‘Captain?’ asked Magros. Numitor saw the warrior in his peripheral vision. He too had a blade at his neck. All of them did.

>‘Just kill us then,’ growled Sicarius.

>>46626572

Warhammer is shit

Warhammer, like most RPGs, is ultimately presenting a world that may have more or less elements of historical reference to our own world (Warhammer's setting has a few more than, say, Greyhawk), but that is viewed from a moral/philosophical lens totally rooted in our own 20th century viewpoints.

D&D's is one of a highly modernist, relativist, baby-boomer hippie type of view of some kind of cosmic balance around which the 9 alignments are all completely evenly matched.

Warhammer's is a more post-modernist, post-hippie and utterly cynical viewpoint that dominates our current paradigm. You could call it 'apocalyptic' but in fact for reasons I will bring up later that'd be totally wrong. It's just nihilistic. It is the view that is left to us when we are taught that nothing is actually true, nothing is actually worthy of being maintained, nothing can be held up and only naive idiots think anything is worth fighting for, except maybe for tearing down and destroying everything. In Warhammer you play the 'good guys' but you actually root for the bad guys. The lords of Chaos are the cool ones, as everyone knows, but more importantly they're the ones who are RIGHT. Law is a sucker's bet. It's doomed. And so all the space marines and heroes who fight for law are basically morons, and this is part of the (civilization-hating) joke.

It's not in any way a medieval view. Or early modern, or enlightenment, or victorian. It is a moral paradigm that can only possibly exist in this utterly spoiled generation of self-hating westerners.

>>46626673
>>Numitor thought back to Malagrea’s warning. Beware the long-hawk. The red warsuit facing them was stock still, rendered inert by the electromagnetic pulse. But these kroot, avian and stealthy, were not robotic facsimiles like those in the earth caste facility. These were the real thing – slender eaters of flesh, skin-takers and cannibals. They needed no war-tech to work their hunter’s arts.

>Ahead, the warsuit’s hatch was kicked open, and a slender tau warrior dropped out to land in a hunter’s crouch. He stood slowly, and bowed without taking his eyes from Numitor’s. The captain expected to see an alien expression of triumph on the flat slab of the warlord’s face, but instead saw something that looked more like sadness.

>‘Parley, I think you call it,’ said the xenos, his Low Gothic strangely lilting but accurate.

>‘Very well,’ replied Numitor. ‘As soon as you have your pets take their blades from our throats.’

>‘I think not,’ said the tau warlord. ‘Not yet. Honoured citizens of Pech, please stay your hands. But if even one of these gue’ron’sha moves, kill them all.’

>Sicarius spat a gobbet of acidic saliva towards the xenos leader. It landed a hand’s breath from his three-toed foot, hissing as it burnt into the scorched roof. The alien calmly took a step backwards, and made a complex gesture with his hands.

>Something whispered at the back of Numitor’s mind. The astropath, Malagrea. This time, it was an impression, more than words – a trillion malevolent eyes, all united by a single, galaxy-devouring hunger.

>For the first time in his life, Numitor felt true horror.

>‘You have inflicted much damage upon Dal’yth,’ said the alien warlord. ‘Scarred it deeply as you fought to conquer it for your Emperor. Though I should not say this, I respect you for the skill and strength you have shown here.’

>>46626696

So what does this mean in actual play? Doesn't it make actual play more lame? After all if you are playing in a universe where Law is way more powerful you know that ultimately the Unconquered Sun will triumph and set things right so why fucking bother?

I think you have to look at it the opposite way: in Warhammer, nothing you do matters. In the end you know Slaneesh and Nurgle and company are going to end up devouring everything and any effort you make is for nothing. You will die sooner or you will die later but eventually everyone loses. It is naive and stupid to serve Law in that setting.

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What are some good Imperial Knight proxies ? Leviathans look cool but they only come in Warhound or Dreadknight size, no Imperial Knights.

I know you will be able to get 2 GW Knights cheap soon but if I'm to field an army of just three models I want each of them to be unique.

>>46626706

The medieval worldview is a world where things matter. It is a world where everything has meaning. It makes individuals living under that paradigm much more significant and conversely much less self-centered than in our post-modern paradigm that says nothing at all is meaningful except your most immediate feelings and impulses.

>>46626696
dis is some nice pasta

>>46626703
>Numitor frowned, but did not speak. The threat of imminent violence hung in the air, almost thick enough to taste. But with every piece of Imperial war-tech temporarily rendered dormant, and with the tau able to bring in reinforcements from outside the electromagnetic blast zone, a single hostile action could result in a massacre.

>‘You are faithless bastards all,’ said Sicarius, ‘and one day you will be put to death, in the name of the Emperor.’

>‘Faith is a powerful force indeed, it is true,’ said Farsight. ‘We have our own faith – not in one of our number raised to godhood, but in a mutual destiny that cannot be denied.’

>‘Think well before you talk of such things,’ said Numitor. ‘Though it may cost me my life, I feel sure I could snap you in two before I bled out.’

>‘You would attack an unarmed opponent?’ said the alien. ‘You would put the lives of your brothers in unnecessary danger? I thought you had honour, you Ultramarines. Or is that the Hammers of Dorn?’

>‘What would you know of honour,’ snarled Sicarius.

>‘I know that if it is broken, it cannot easily be repaired. We too have a warrior code.’

>‘Lies,’ said Sicarius.

>‘For instance,’ said the alien, ‘I would consider it dishonourable to give my cadres the order to hunt down and kill every one of your white-armoured medics, ensuring their ritual death flasks are ground beneath our boots. That would be a stain upon my soul I could not erase.’

>Numitor felt his gorge rise at the thought of the primarchs’ legacy scattered in the dust, but struggled to keep his expression neutral.

>‘It would be a great shame if matters came to that,’ continued the xenos warlord. ‘Enough lives have been lost, on both sides, for us to learn from this. But my advisors have recently told me your masters have ordered an evacuation, so perhaps such extreme measures are not needed after all.’

>>46626696
Sounds more realistic to me. Why root for the "good" guys instead of the winning team? It seems more like a realist's struggle for self-preservation and power rather than a constructivist's desire to spread ideals and norms about being "good," "just," or "civil."

>>46626696

I've never been under the impression everyone is doomed in 40k. Every villain faction codex makes grandiose statements about their inevitable victory, but that's codex bias.

The Imperium is probably doomed in the long term, but life in the galaxy will go on.

>>46626728
>The Ultramarines glanced at one another in disbelief. Numitor met Sicarius’ gaze. His fingers, stiff with the effort of moving the dormant power armour, picked out a message in Talassarian sea-cant.

>Home. In. Danger.

>‘I see,’ said Sicarius, speaking as much to Numitor as the alien. ‘So be it. And if we do withdraw this day, alien, you will simply let us leave? Every last army, craft and trooper?’

>‘Yes,’ said the xenos warlord. ‘You have my word on that, as a commander of the fire caste.’

>This time, Sicarius did not grunt in disbelief. ‘Stand down, squad,’ said the sergeant. ‘There is more truth to this foul alien’s claim than you realise.’

>A stunned silence pervaded across the roof. Nine pairs of eyes looked to Numitor, and he nodded, slowly and sombrely.

>‘It is true,’ he said. ‘Ultramar is in danger.’

>‘Citizens of Pech,’ said the warlord, ‘release these ones. They are under the shield of truce, and must return to defend their own planet.’

>Numitor felt the knife blade move from his throat, his augmented blood clotting within seconds as the stink of the kroot’s proximity faded away.

>‘Allies can be most useful, captain,’ said the tau commander as he turned to Numitor, ‘and sometimes found in the strangest places.’

>A massive drop ship bellied down out of the clouds, its ramp extending as it neared the hex-tower’s roof. A pairs of battlesuits descended gracefully from the portals on the side of the craft. Extending their manipulator gauntlets, they reached under the inert warsuit and bore it upwards with a loud thrum of repulsor jets.

>The alien warlord waited for the ship’s ramp to touch the edge of the tower and stepped onto it, making another complex gesture with his hands as he backed away.

>‘Our civilisations will cross paths again,’ said Sicarius. ‘That I promise you, alien. And on that day, there will be blood.’

>>46626750
>‘I am sure of it,’ said the xenos warlord sadly, turning and walking slowly into the craft as it drifted towards the stars.

-"Blaades of Damocles"

Sorry for the huge walls of green text. I just thought this is interesting..

Farsight thwarted the Ultramarine attempts to slay the Ethereals and defeated them. He allowed them to leave because he respected them and also because he wanted them to go home and take care of that greater threat.

The U;tramarines didn't even thank him but nonetheless the honour of the Greater Good shines bright. Farsight has done the Tau'va proud.

Would GW ever do a videogame version of 40k, like full on tabletop style and I know everyone says it would lose them money BUT how about this, every model you buy you get a code to use it on the game, so kind of like that shitty Disney game but actually good
It wouldn't stop people from playing the tabletop and it would give people a chance to play the game more by letting you play people online around the world

>>46626748
>I've never been under the impression everyone is doomed in 40k

Then you haven't been reading much fluff.

>that's codex bias.

It isn't. There is no codex bias. That claim is for people who want to ignore the fluff at their leisure. People who don't care about the facts. What's factual in the codexes is that while the great threats are presented as dangerous, they are so said to pale before the main badguy aka as Chaos.

>The Imperium is probably doomed in the long term, but life in the galaxy will go on.

That's statement goes against the lore that keeps getting repeated that in the Imperium and its Emperor fall, then reality itself will be destroyed and consumed by Chaos. The galaxy won't go on.

>>46626813
>It isn't. There is no codex bias. That claim is for people who want to ignore the fluff at their leisure. People who don't care about the facts. What's factual in the codexes is that while the great threats are presented as dangerous, they are so said to pale before the main badguy aka as Chaos.

They are said to pale before Chaos in the Chaos codex. In the Tyranids codex Chaos is said to pale before Tyranids, in the Necron codex chaos is said to pale before Necrons, and in the Eldar books it's said that if Chaos is not defeated it will engulf the galaxy only to be defeated by the tyranids who will eat everything and go away leaving the galaxy to the necrons.

>>46626774
>not killing Sicarius
So it's all but confirmed, O'shova will die at the hands of Sicarius.

>>46626843
False.

The Tyranid and Necron codexes does not say this. Don't fucking lie to me and the anons on this board!

Only the Chaos codexes and the MAIN RULEBOOK states that Chaos are the greatest threat to the Imperium and the galaxy.

>and in the Eldar books it's said that if Chaos is not defeated it will engulf the galaxy only to be defeated by the tyranids who will eat everything and go away leaving the galaxy to the necrons.

That was a prophecy in the Valedor novel . A prophecy that was averted by stopping the Tyranids on the planet Valedor.

The prophecy goes that Chaos will engulf the galaxy for a time and then disappear leaving it for the Tyranids and Necrons. Eldar prophecies are wonky and furthermore it does not support your point at all.

>>46626572
Shit prophecies and hurr chaoswank is what killed fantasy battle

>>46626813

I've been reading fluff for over 15 years, actually.

You can't take -any- of the grandiose "this faction will totes win" statements at face value. -Especially- the Chaos one, given that the entire Chaos Marine faction added up together is a tiny player on the galactic stage.

I am aware of the "if the Emperor dies every human will magically turn into a mini eye of terror" statement that floats around a few places, but it really isn't anything approaching credible. Especially with several -contradictory- what will happen if the Emperor dies theories.

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>>46626848
>implying

Farsight destiny will not be hindered by someone as unworthy as Cato Sicarius.

Sicarius fights for his pride and ambition while Farsight fights for the wellbeing and freedom of all.

>>46626898

Hi Carnac.

>>46626910
>I've been reading fluff for over 15 years, actually.

Don't lie to me.

>ou can't take -any- of the grandiose "this faction will totes win" statements at face value.

You see here? You want to ignore fluff that don't like through bullshit reasoning.

>. -Especially- the Chaos one, given that the entire Chaos Marine faction added up together is a tiny player on the galactic stage.

This is evidence that you have not read the fluff at all. You think Chaos is just the CSM? I mean come on. The whole section about the crumbling walls of reality and the constant daemonic incursions in the Age of Ending went entirely ignored by you. You are the one who don't have credibility here.

>I am aware of the "if the Emperor dies every human will magically turn into a mini eye of terror" statement that floats around a few places, but it really isn't anything approaching credible

Why? Because your opinion on it? Your opinion counts as lore now? Disgusting,

>Especially with several -contradictory- what will happen if the Emperor dies theories.

Anon theories =/= lore.

The lore has been telling you in consistent manner what will happen should the Emperor die, anon. For a decade straight!

>>46626927
Hello, Salt,

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>>46626958
Also I want to add that I find hilarious that anon brought up the CSM numbers as proof that they are irrelevant when the fluff states Space (all 1 mil of them) Marines are the reason the Imperium continued stand to 10K years. They are the ones that make the difference in those apocalyptic wars.

But remember. Face value. Ignore the fluff.

>>46626898
You can say so, but the fact is that going by the codex Chaos is the shittest faction. It doesn't have decent formations, it doesn't have decent units, and the new update nerfed them.

Chaos will never win because it's full of retards that forgot how to build landspeeder while at the same time they shove possessed everywhere. I think you are just butthurt about it.

>>46626583
I as well.
400 miles apart so I'm free of cigarette smokes, alcoholic friends and constant requests for tech support for his PCs constant Polish porn viruses.

>>46626992
>Chaos will never win because it's full of retards that forgot how to build landspeeder while at the same time they shove possessed everywhere. I think you are just butthurt about it.

In a setting where the Warp is the ultimate source of power, technology takes a backseat (unless you the Necrons).

The fluff outright states that Chaos is the greatest threat to the galaxy. In fact, some Grey Knights concede that Chaos's victory is inevitable.

And I don't play Chaos in 40K. I building a Necron Decurion

>>46627035
>I don't play Chaos in 40k.
right that probably isn-
>I building a Necron Decurion

this post is bait

>>46627046
Ain't bait. I would show the boxes I just bought if I was home. Got wraiths, got two stalkers, and some flyers.

Alas I ain't home.

>>46626774
You say interesting, I day retarded. How the fuck did kroot manage to have knives to the neck of every marine squad member? Did they stand on tippy toes to press their blades into their still-metal connections between gorget and helm? Fuck off.

>EMP prevented mechanics of a boltgun from working.

Black Library writing, everyone.

>>46626572
Reposting my 1500 GK list

HQ:
Librarian lvl 3, stormbolter – 140

Elites:
5x Purifiers, 2 psycannnons – 155

Troops:
5x Terminators, 1 psycannon, 1 hammer, 1 falchion – 199
5x Terminators, 1 psycannon, 1 hammer, 1 falchion – 199

Fast Attack:
7x Interceptors, 1 incinerator, 1 hammer, 1 falchion, teleport homer – 207

Heavy Support:
Nemesis Dreadknight, heavy psycannon, heavy incinerator, great-sword, teleporter – 225
Nemesis Dreadknight, heavy psycannon, heavy incinerator, great-sword, teleporter – 225

Officio Assassinorium Dataslate:
Vindicare Assassin – 150

Just need to build 1 more DK, 1 interceptor, and paint my HQ, vindicare, and teleport homer. I'm so excited!!!

>>46627035
Yet Chaos lose every fight they go on. Daemon primarchs get their ass kicked every time they go into realspace, so much they have now stopped going out of the warp. They are lead by an armless failure that it's on his 13th tentative of reaching Terra,

Do you know that /tg/ screenshot about a lone marine destroying a craftworld with a broken blade and the eldar going about "yes! his blade is broken, the prophecy is fulfilled!"?

Chaos is like that, only that after they lose thousand of marines eaten by their own rhinos or they kill each others because Chaos then they go on about how their victory is inevitable.

Seriously, they are Saturday morning villain tier.

"The next time I'll get you ultramarine!"

>>46627071
>Black Library writing, everyone.

Actually, that book is written by PHIL KELLY. A GW studio designer and writer.

>>46627071
>wah wah wah muh marines lost! The story was big dummy and I don't like it!

>>46627086
Your post is troll-bait and full of bullshit. I am going to post some actual fluff and wait for you to get serious.

>Each Black Crusade has been part of Abaddon’s carefully laid plan; each furthering his goals in some significant way. The culmination of Abaddon’s grand scheme is nothing less than the death of the Emperor and Humanity’s enslavement at the hands of the entities of the Warp. Across ten millennia of strife, Abaddon has crafted his dark strategies; each attack, each world destroyed and each army vanquished is but a part of a much larger war. Always at his side is the Black Legion, on burning worlds and in shattered cities, their howling chainswords and barking bolter fire heralding the coming End Times.

>Thus is the shadow of Humanity’s downfall cast by Horus’ lost sons. It is the gravest threat the Imperium faces and the very tolling of doom that echoes out from the Eye of Terror. Where the black-armoured warriors of the Legion tread, cities burn and Imperial worlds fall. Star systems are purged and vanish from the void, their citizens slaughtered and their histories wiped away. To swear eternal loyalty to Abaddon and become a traitor Space Marine in the Black Legion is to become a warrior of the End Times and stand triumphant over countless worlds turned to ash and blood.

-Black Legion supp.

>>46627108
careful not to fall for it

>>46626958

Could you maybe just start using a trip again? It saves the one post where people bother to actually reply to you before you get agitated enough to be recognisable from the background level of stupid we get in here.

>>46627108
Just like I said. They lose 12 times and they go on about how "it's all part of the plan, the 13th it's the good one".

The funny thig is that they lost the 13th one too., before being retconned as still not having happened because "muh chaos!"

>>46627141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

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>>46626696
>Warhammer, like most RPGs, is ultimately presenting a world that may have more or less elements of historical reference to our own world

therefor

>>46627142
Except old lore and new lore says that Black Crusades were victories or have achieved their objective. Also that all of them are building towards something big.

I don't need to tell you that none of the 12 Crusades were about going to Terra or even taking Cadia, in both old and new. But you already know that since you are a troll.

Now behave!

>>46626774
What I took from this is yet again everyone must be retarded for the Tau to seem threatening. You'd think this massive vulnerability of all the Astartes gear eould be exploited more by say, the Eldar. Or the Necrons. Or anyone. But no I imagine that after this piece of garbage lore not even the Tau will remember to use it.

>>46627194
Actually, in the "Death of Integrity", The super AI hacked into Space Marine armor and froze them in place.

>>46627192
>Sir, we lost every men we sent against the imperium!
>Don't worry, my real objective was... was... to find this sword! Yes! This sword is actually the reason I destroyed half of my army in a distraction!

>>46627230
>>Sir, we lost every men we sent against the imperium!

Actually, the Black Legion supp says that the Chaos forces gained lots of amounts of plunder, riches, and battlefield glory before they retreated back to the Eye.

It also states in the supp and other sources that the power and size of the Black Legion increases after each assault on the Imperium. This indicates that they are gaining military assets and reources more than they are losing them.

So reality once again thwarts the anon.

Also a little FYI, the 1st Black Crusade wasn't about just the sword.

>>46627223
Is that in Damocles as well? I have only finished the farsight enclaves lore and haven't gotten around to reading the new (to me) damocles stuff.

>The Imperial dropship Harsh Finality roared and shuddered into high orbit, making its way to the muster point at Brimlock. Captain Numitor stared long and hard through a mildewed viewport at the hexagonal structures covering the surface of Dal’yth Prime. The planet bore the scars of war, long swathes of its surface discoloured by smoke and raging wildfire. Gel’bryn City was just one of the war zones the Imperium had torn down in flame before the Tau Empire had mustered its armada in earnest.

>The converging fleets of the other sept worlds were visible in the far distance, a silvered swarm glinting in the firmament. A good enough reason for withdrawal, and one that would mollify many an Imperial official.

>But not the whole truth. Not even close.

>Lord Calgar was right. There was something strangely insectile about these tau, ordered and neat in their honeycomb worlds. They all worked together in the name of some ephemeral utopia, unaware that imminent disaster hung, cold and merciless, above their heads. With all their technology, with all their talk of honour and progress, the tau still had no comprehension of the horrors that awaited them as they stepped away from the flickering candle of their civilisation and out into the hungry void.

>The galaxy was a cold, dark place. Only one thing could thrive there, eternally violent and unrelenting.

>The Imperium had made sure of it.

-"Blades of Damocles"

This is the Imperial epilogue from the book.

What is this thing that is eternally violent and unrelenting which is the only thrives the galaxy because the Imperium made sure of it? Any guess, /tg/?

>>46627288
It's the imperium you stupid fuck

>>46627276
"Death of Integrity"? No, it's about Admech and marines exploring a space hulk.

If you mean "Blade of Damocles". then it's set during the First Damocles Crusade. The events in it happen before the stuff in the "Damocles Anthology".

I recommend that after fighting up the FE lore that you read :

This novel first
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/farsight-hardbook.html

And then

http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/blades-of-damocles-ebook.html

Then you can move on to the Damocles Anthology.

>>46627313
The Imperium made sure that the Imperium thrives?

That's redundant.

>>46627324
finishing up the*

>>46627313
Are you even trying anymore?
Hint:
In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only (blank)

>>46627422
Yes again it's the imperium

There is only the imperium.

do I need to report you for *BLAM*-ing

>>46627079
Is there a reason you aren't using the nemesis strike force? Turn 1 deepstrikes and you can consolidate those terminators into one blob (you can still combat squad them if you feel like it).

Also, why the single falchions?

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>>46627288
>Only one thing could thrive there, eternally violent and unrelenting.

WAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

>>46626696
>>46626706
>>46626716
Anon, please
I play Space Wolves. Death is just a word in the last page of my glorious saga

>>46626703
>For the first time in his life, Numitor felt true horror.

I thought marines knew no fear or something?

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Ehi, /tg/

How dense are your terrains?
What's the method you use to create it?

>>46627587
He had just been shown that ultramar was about to get eaten by nids, so 'horror' in the sense of
>oh shit i've gotta get home or my brothers are all gonna die

>>46627606
2 big n tall 2 medium and wide, place sensibly on terrain mart and sprinkle low cover and craters where it seems too bare.

>>46627071
t. Matt Ward

>>46627091
he should go back to doing codexes

>>46627670
I am not sure about this but I recall it being said that Kelly stopped writing rules and now he just writes the fluff.

Anyone knows if there is anyway to stop marines from beating chaos. I tried everything, armies with cultists, with plague marines, with csm and my friends always have some sort of new army with the same models.
I have this right now
1x Demon Prince
4xrhinos
49x csm/plague marines
6x obliterators
1x fiend magnetized
4xrhinos
3xspawn
5xbikers.

>>46627746
what point level?

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its real, and its out this weekend!

>>46627746
Put your army on a shelf and wait for some kind of update.

>>46627769
>More knights

For the love of all that is holy, GW, STAAAAAHP!

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>>46627769
So 40k is Epic now.

>>46627783

CHEAP KNIGHTS at that. Prepare yourself for a fresh wave of unpainted Knights hitting tables across the globe.

>>46627796
cheap? please explain

>>46627484
I plan on using it. I could make the terminators one big squad and split the psycannons into one squad and the rest in another, but meh. Also I just like how the falchion models look.

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>>46627818

In Aussie dollerydoos that's a saving of $166.

>>46627767
We play anything from 1350 to 1500pts.

>>46627774
I just bougth it. Everyone told me that the chaos codex is the one to be updated soon.

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>>46627818
2 knights + sanctum imperialis for 120£

Even throwing away the Sanctum, is 60£ per knight not even considering the discount you can get anywhere.

Also, there will be rules for Renegade Knights, so even Chaos players will have it.
And why would they not take it, since their army suck so much right now?

>>46627847
That's a Blizzard "soon(tm)".

>>46627847
>updated soon
Yeah, sure.
We had been hearing rumours of an update for years now.

They were all false.

>>46626583
So I guess you're not a Primarch then?

>>46627847

Sadly the one person who seems to have a genuine insider position (Sad Panda over on Dakkadakka) has completely ruled out a CSM update for all of 2016, with it being a possibility in 2017. Main focus for 2016 is Age of Sigmar, and the only stuff Chaos can expect is that stuff from the AoS Tzeentch board-game coming out soon.

>>46627853
That might have been really useful if I didn't already own eight of them. Thank fuck those are just two standard knight kits and not something unique, that way I can safely ignore the box.

>>46627769
Is there a clearer image of the renegade knight? I can't tell if it has a different weapon

>>46627886
To be fair he said no Codex, but leaved the supplement door open.

But a supplement will not solve CSM problems, just prolonging the already unholy life of a dated codex.

And considering they seems only interested on Khorne and undivided, cult armies like >>46627746 will get the short stick anyway.

>>46627853
Oh wow.
I was just about to say that's no savings at all, then I checked GW and put my idea of a looted knight on indefinite hold.

That's near mek gun levels of dollar/point ratio.

>>46627886
The store owner in my city told me, they would come soon. I wouldn't have bought them, if I knew.

Are there any rules to play csm models as something else or at least give them good weapons like grawitons ?

>>46627908
Just ebul decals.
Literally, because including a sprue of plastic spikes would ruin GW

>>46627908
Because it's a Warden and a Standard Knight in the box.

I forgot to specify.

>>46627911

Well the supplements came out anyway, and much like the Ork one, they pretty much confirmed what we knew already: supplements can't fix what's broken.

>>46627917

You can play them using Codex: Space Marines if you really want and fluff them as recent rebels.

Alternatively, use them in 30K. Plenty of solid options for Chaos there.

>>46627746
Now, I understand beating SM with CSM is difficult, very difficult. but if you want to really try you should pack more puch.
Why no heldrake?
why no noisemarines with either doomsiren OR blastmaster?
Why no chaoslord with juggernaught and that reic axe
maybe even pred or vindi
Other than that the supplements Stronghold assault and forgeworld ia13 offer a varietyy of dirty tricks
Bastion with escape hatch 18' ito enemy teritory
Rapier guns are the best fire support
Fw units(Siccaran; FireRaptor.)
Aegis defence line wth ammonutuin supply
Fearless cultist mob

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I finished my army for the next tournament, from the few test games I played, it is pretty solid.

>>46627746
Play with Codex: Space Marines.

>>46627917
>I wouldn't have bought them, if I knew.

That's probably why he told you, then.

>>46627938
Cheers, it looked like it had a buzz-saw arm

>>46627972
>>46627746
Probably the best advise.
You can play with the Iron Hands chapter tactic.

>>46627939
Aggressively designed supplements could fix what's wrong with Orks and CSM. Phoned in rags can't.

>>46627971
looks decent, I like the scouts but it would be nice if you painted the bases.

>>46627969
I don't own a helldrakes because of two things. First there is non at the store I play in, so I can't buy one. also my friends do like to play against flyers.

I don't know if noise marines are good or not. But there are no noise marines sold at my store.
There are no juggernaughts that aren't demons either. I normaly use one of the bikers as a Mage or lord.
Can't use FW at the store I play in, and even if O coul;d. I don't have a way to order stuff from FW

>>46627971
what chapter is dat?

>>46628013
That is awesome. Is the codex for runing chaos Iron Hands hard to get? I know that some army books are not sold in book format.

>>46627917
Tough shit, try and take it up with him when theres a good crowd, maybe you can get some deal with him out of guilt (as if) or lean on him with bad PR for misleading customer service.

>>46628047
I think you misunderstand. Just use your Chaos minis with the rules in Codex: Adeptes Astartes. You will also probably want the new Angels of Death supplement.

>>46628023
And what would that do?

You can give them a decurion that made all their bolters/shootas strength D for all that matters, that would just force them to play only with that style, and they will still sucks on low points game and/or only CAD games.

This is a game about customization of your dudes, detachments and formations are an incentive to play fluffy, have a guideline and make you bring some units you wouldn't normally play.
Those shouldn't be the only way to play.

>>46628034
Sounds like you should stick to pokemons and mtg kid.

>>46628056
I don't think I will be able to do that. He will kick me out of the store, and then I won't have a place to play. I will try to get the chaos iron hands codex and play with those. Drop pods and bikers with a couple of marks will work great. Do jink saves and invs from mark of tzeench stack?

I'm considering just going fuck this shit and buying the knights game for my CSM. Thousand Sons, so have them be gigantic lumbering Horus and Anubis mecha.

WHOSE LAUGHING NOW, RUSS?

>>46628047
What >>46628064 says.

Many Night Lords already play as RavenGuard, and a few Iron Warriors plays as Imperial Fists.
It's not that strange.

>>46628064
Is that legal, to use models as something else? If yes then I think I will run the csm as eldar maybe. I know my friends bitch about them a lot.
>>46628073
I never played card games, what do those have to do with warhammer?

>>46628035
Home Brew. Named them Lambda Marines, I was really into half life back when I first started 40k.

>>46628034
borrow your moms credit card or hop in to a nearby gw where you can order stuff and pay cash

>>46628098
They are games you can play competetively without a credit card, in a shitty shop with piss poor supply of models.

>>46628093
>I'm considering just going fuck this shit and buying the knights game for my CSM.

That what i feared.
GW makes Knights for CSM, maybe some shitty supplement in Fenris part 2, and GW will think is all fine for CSM for years to come.

CSM need a new codex, don't fall into the trap.

>>46628132
*And Warhammer is not.

>>46627972
Man I love this new age shitposting. You think you're funny, don't you?

>>46626583
Said no Chaos Space Marine player ever.

>>46628034
>also my friends do like to play against flyers.
You mean don't? If so, well if they want to rolfstomp you be not allowing you your best units.........


You can ask the store to order stuff from gw. Or order stuff online.

No FW is sad, you would need only the book and convert yourself some things out of it.
Like Rapiers, either with a hades AC or a Conversion Beamer Variant for OOomph.
You will have to convert your lord on a juggernaught or hunt ebay as only a really old model exists for that.

The good thing about noise marines is that you can buy a cheap 5 marine squad thats fearless and has a blastmaster, a 48' S8 AP3 small blast gun with ignore cover. The other option, that only only the asp. champion can get is a S5 AP3 flamer thingie. Both are expensive, but I think you will see their worth. You need a Noisemarine upgrade kit, that is sold on the GW website (webstore only so you need to either buy online or ask the store to order it for you, which some don't do, because it is a hassle for them. GW's policy at its finest, makes it hard to buy their stuff.)

Have you considered the burning brand artefact a S4 AP3 torrent flamer?


If you cannot get conversions, IA13 or FW you are in a really bad position. You *might* check out the helbrute dataslate formations, then. Without that, the codex and supplements (as far as they are leaked...) are the low end of the food chain.

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>>46627769

>>46628134
I probably won't, I'm too jaded. It was just a thought cause hey, Canis Vertex y'know?

What's this Fenris part 2 shit I keep hearing about though?

>>46627917
Mate, my local manager has been promising me plastic sisters for the last 7 years

>>46628126
The closest GW store to me is 600km away in Poland. Am not going to do a 3 day trip to buy models.
>>46628132
It had everything my friends wanted. So I don't think it has bad supply. They even bought more stuff then 1500pts to have more ways to play.
I just thought that there were extra books adding more stuff to chaos, like marine have. One of my friends had to buy 5 different books to run a single army. I do not envy that, even if his army does work.

>>46628098
>If yes then I think I will run the csm as eldar maybe

There is a point at which people will tell you to stop taking the piss. Running Chaos Marines as Loyalist Marines should be fine for most people, since they're armed and equipped similarly. A bolter is a bolter, a melta is a melta, a jump pack is a jump pack no matter how many spikes you stick over it. An opponent can look at a unit and get a reasonable idea of what it is and what it can do.

Running CSM as Eldar is a step too far. They don't share any weapons, their basic stats are very different. Eldar field Skimmers, Chaos Marines don't. And so on. It's going to be confusing and annoying to play against.

>>46628181
There has been the book Warzone:Fenris, right? The story didn't end there, so we know that there will be a second book later, most likely this October when the book series about the campaign will end, and there are rumors that there will be Chaos formations, maybe even their decurion, inside it

>Have you considered the burning brand artefact a S4 AP3 torrent flamer?
I did it once. Put one on every champion and every my mage. it worked well vs drop pods, after that everyone started runing either drop pods or psychic powers that make it illegal to target units with template weapons. Am not taking them anymore.

What is a IA13?

>>46628034
>Shitty shop
>Lying owner
>No online shopping

Africa, East Block or the economic quarantine zone formerly known as Greece?

>>46628235
>Put one on every champion and every my mage.

You can't do that. Relics are one per army.

>>46628235
that's because artefacts are unique you cheating fuck

>>46628218
Asked the manger at the store he says, it is not allowed to play with models from one army as a different one. Guess am fucked then. Two years of saving up down the drain.

>>46628249
I do live in central europe.
>>46628251
That is stupid. The ap3 dlamers are worse then grawitons, and marines can take two or three per squad, and don't have to worry about them dieing in a challange. And they cost less.

>>46628132
>you can play competitively without a credit card

this guy is funny

Both MtG and Pokemon TTG are huge money pits to play competitively.

At least wargames have a hobby aspect you can enjoy.

>>46628232
Hm, interesting.. And since its Space Wolves, maybe it's Thousand Sons. Wasn't there a Properine rune somewhere mentioned in the first Warzone Fenris? 30k is getting TS and AoS is getting Tzeentch this year too. Maybe at least we'll have some Egyptian love.

>>46628261
>it is not allowed to play with models from one army as a different one.
jesus christ what a fag
what kind of store is this ? at my gw i run a group of guardsmen as empire state gunners

>>46628267
>The ap3 dlamers are worse then grawitons

They really aren't. A Graviton Gun is only going to kill 3 models at most, it's virtually useless against light infantry, dubious against vehicles, and even heavy infantry can reduce its effectiveness by staying in cover. The Burning Brand can easily eat half a squad of heavy infantry from 12" away every turn and there's nothing they can do about it.

>>46628098
>is that legal
fuck no anon, don't tell the cops

I put the burning brand on a pyromancy sorcerer, and stick him with 5 CSM (1 with a flamer) in a rhino. It's not amazing, but it's not terrible either, puts out three templates a turn (one at AP3 and another at AP4). May be worth pointing out I don't tend to go in for expensive HQs, I usually write the rest of the list then work out how to shoehorn a compulsory HQ in.

>>46628291
to go along with Tomb Kings getting squatted

>>46628291
The options, if they don't just go as "generic" CSM, are either TS or AL.
And yes, there was a rune from Prospero meaning "Vengeance" in the first book

There is also a rumor about Russ returning "but not as you would like", but it was really so unsupported that I personally wouldn't consider it much

>>46628290
Most shops still have cash registers and in-shop folders of cards, not exclusively online.

Rapier Weapons Batteries with Conversion Beaners are 75 points each. 24-48 inch S10 AP1 Large Pieplate. Fuck me, that's a doomsday ark at half price!

Might be worth making a few..

>>46628261
Mate, just play Chaos

So long as you're not playing against WAAC losers you'll have fun. I haven't played a "strong" army since 4th edition and I still have fun playing 40k. You just need to play against guys who aren't focusing on winning above all else and want to play fun, fluffy lists. Find those guys through trial and error with random games and then try to organise regular games.

>>46628340
>There is also a rumor about Russ returning "but not as you would like"

The howls of outrage from Space Wolf players upon finding out that Russ has survived but mutated and turned to the Dark Gods would be a beautiful thing indeed.

>>46628339
>tomb kings get squatted
>40k has an Egypt in space year

That's fucking savage, like that poster GW made saying "fuck you brettonia buy more sigmarines"

>>46628340
>but not as you would like
so not at all?
fantastic

>>46628339
That was a massive shame..

>>46628340
Well, we'll see eh./ Though it should've been the Prosperine rune of Irony, considering the wolves were being hunted by fellow loyalists for the crime of mutation n shit.

>>46628374
Most likely dust doesn't have much sense of humor

>>46628311
Maybe if they stick near a pod, but grawitons have a huge range and ,unless I was cheated , a at least some of them shot more offten then 3 times per turn. Plus they can still shot at units protected by psychic powers, because they don't use templates. I can't do it with the brand flamers.
>>46628354
Yes I do play chaos, but it is impossible to win vs my friends. they play different armies with the same models and codex, when they play vs each other they seem to have a ton of fun. When I play vs them either my army is deleted in the first two turns of the game, or I lose on objectives because space marines seem to have a lot of way to move around the table. I understand that chaos is an old book, but I didn't knew it would be that bad. I thought that the gap would be much smaller. Something like marines have 4-5 ways to play chaos having two or three.

>>46627079

Drop the footslogging Purifiers. Or get a transport. And change their psycannons to incinerators.

>>46628235
Imperial Armor 13; that forgeworld book I talked about. Another option I did not think about would be the new Renegade knight thingy, rumors are CSM can take that. (Just add spikes made from the sprue and skulls, lots of skulls)
Of course if your 'friends' just want to stomp you, I suggest a talk with said friends. No flyers, they probably will say, no knight either, but use invisibilty (which you an try to get, too its in Telepathy) droppod spam and other fuck-you thingies, Sounds like you have a social problem, honestly. I am sorry to say that, but your choice of units is not your biggest problem. If there are more, ask them if you could do 2vs2 team matches to even things out a bit, etc.

>>46628354
You'd be surprised that there are more WAAC losers dominating stores these days at large.

The stores that are full of chill people looking for a laugh and story? Those are actually the minority these days. The chill groups otherwise get chased out by WAAC losers and play their games in their own homes or hangouts.


The cancer killing GW is in fact GW, because neglected rules are creating a barrier between two kinds of playerbases, which is bad for store business.

>>46628446
>I've done a dedicated survey of all the game stores in the world!
No you haven't. How the fuck do you know what the majority of stores are like?

>>46628362
>>46628365
Going back to read it again, it was actually "you aren't going to like the result", which makes it even more vague What if the person he's talking to is a DA player and he's telling him that half his legion is going to be destroyed by Russ, for example?

You can find the rumor on natfka I would have put the link, but 4chan keeps blocking it thinking it's spam if you actually want to look at it, but it's really so vague that it isn't even worth it. If you want to have faith in it anyway, then more power to you

>>46628471
I not-so-secretly want Russ to be ingloriously blown up by exterminatus

I've had enough of space yiffs over the last six years

>>46628446
The actual GW stores in my area are WAAC Quarantine Zones.

You can't expect to play in one without going against the strongest variant of whatever faction is being played.

The LGS is the exact opposite and polices itself and prefers fluffy battles and limitations on stronger armies.

For the most part everyone is on the same page and the few veteran players that used to play tournaments will play among themselves in a little group after coordinating a fair way to play WAACily.

I do not miss playing in that shitty GW.

>>46628469
Only the US, which in its own right is pretty big and a pretty big deal.

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>>46628362
>finding out that Russ has survived but mutated and turned to the Dark Gods would be a beautiful thing indeed.
>mfw

>>46628481
Because you actually know a bad SW player or just because you spend too much time on the internet?

>inb4 Zach Braff asking John McJinley that infamous line

>>46628471
I for one hope the leman will come back either as a leman russ battle tank with a mutated torso and a gigantic axe, screaming incoherently,
or as a furry-clown that make the wulfen look almost normal.

OR as penitent, only dressed in a brown linen sack, head and beard shaved of, constantly praying Magnus might forgive him for the great error he commited. (He also blames Horus and the black legion)

I guess natfka is right. I will be disappointed

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>Plasma Cannons in Eternal Crusade
Feel like they could implement more of a gets hot rule but theyre exactly what I expected them.

>>46626673

>Veletan stumbled, and fell with a heavy crash.
>'BRUTHA, I HAVE FALLEN AND I CANNOT GET UP!'

>>46628446
Chill players don't need to go fishing for games in stores, they normally have their own mini-club in someones spare room/basement/garage.

LGS players are usually; outcasts, newbies or people who recently moved to the area, unless it's a really great LGS that makes sure to nudge the people that are more trouble than they're worth.(what they spend vs the parents and regulars that avoid the store when That guy's around)

>>46628544
>Chill players don't need to go fishing for games in stores, they normally have their own mini-club in someones spare room/basement/garage.

This is the truth. Since I got a table and terrain for my group of friends being able to play in the comfort of a house as opposed to a LGS is amazing, Totally worth the investment.

>>46626744

Most people root for the Imperium, who are far from the winning team.

So for fluff reasons I want multiple variations of a Chaplin Character I fluffed up back when I played the RPG.

He earned his Terminator Armour so he would probably always keep the Crux Terminatus on his Power Armour variants as well, right?

It is an honor and all that.

>>46628544
Well maybe in other countries. Here you would have to be the son of an oil mogul or a politician to pay the rent for a club, the protection fee and even then you could have problems with shops or neighbours, if anyone in the club was under 16. And they will always have a problem with someone opening a club near by.

>>46628503
It'll be the thing that reunintes the Dark Angels. The Fallen will return, apologise for everything, and they'll all share in the wonderful bonding experience that is killing Space Wolves.

>>46628587
yes, there are models in power armor with a crux on a chain. There might even be the relevant bit in the sternguard or vanguard box, if you want a quick kitbash

>>46628579
Our only complaint is the guy who has the flat work at a nursing home, great guy but he always has some new or rather... very very old bug to share.

So 50/50 of coming home with the blessing of nurgle.

>>46626750

So once again, the Imperium has to leave because there are bigger threats. You know, one of these days the Imperium is going to realise it doesn't have the resources to throw crusades at every alien race that looks at them funny. Setting priorities isn't an imperial virtue.

>>46628579
LoL, entry fee for playing w40k. Buy codex, buy army, buy a flat to play in it. I would argue that by the time you can buy a flat, you would rather spend the money on women and alcohol, then plastic models

>Of course if your 'friends' just want to stomp you, I suggest a talk with said friends. No flyers, they probably will say, no knight either, but use invisibilty (which you an try to get, too its in Telepathy) droppod spam and other fuck-you thingies

That could be a problem. I can't tell them to not use pods, bikers, obliterators and grav weapons, and not spam stuff on top of that, when my army is spaming csm or plaguemarines in rhinos.

>>46628588
>they normally have their own mini-club in someones spare room/basement/garage.

>>46628579
I envy you.
Currently shopping for a Condo because I don't want to be permanently stuck in this god forsaken state and most that I have checked out are at least two bedrooms but some are three. I already told my Fiancee that if there is a 3rd bedroom it is mine and mine alone since the 2nd bedroom will be a home gym.

I can't wait to close on one so I can get to work. I day dream about it like others day dream about winning the lottery.

Currently I have only been able to get two people into 40k and one of them barely has their toes in the water but I know if I had my own game room and could display all my armies I could drag more and more people into the warp.

I have a Dope McNasty prenup so I will keep whatever we buy in a worst case scenario

>>46628636
>I have a Dope McNasty prenup so I will keep whatever we buy in a worst case scenario
Smart move brah. Don't get JUSt'd

>>46628628
>In your country maybe. No one of the people I know has a flat large enough to set up a 4x6 table without parents going crazy. And the cost of having a club is huge. We counted how much the rent alone would cost and to make it work we would need 50 people paying 35 euros every month. And that is just the rent, no protection fee, no tables, no electricity, no water, no gas for heating.

>>46628619
>Buy a flat
Most rent.
>Spend money on women and alcohol
Priorities

Also, another bonus of playing in your flat with people you don't hate, clear the table of terrain and set up the bottles, bam it's a bar/club without cover fee, shitty music and shittier people.

>>46628652
>Parents.
Really?

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for the anons saying they want a dataslate for the obsidian knight , there already is one in the damocles apoc book but it isn't clear whether it's allowed in regular 40k or not , you could ask your opponent though
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>>46628660
HAHA. No one rents. The only flats that are for rents are those ment for brothels, or those that are given as bribes to people. Not to mention that renting is crazy stupid. The cost of renting even a single room in any larger city is the same or close to paying morgage. who is going to pay rent for 20years, when after 20 years you could pay just as much and have a flat.

>>46628652
You from Italy or one of those other "live at home till you marry into a new one or your parents die" countries?

>>46628636
I've always wanted to be a fly on the wall while someone tells their fiancee they want a prenup

>>46628311
>12"

But the flamer template is 8 inches?

>>46628619
>>46628652

A 4x6 table is pretty small. You must have to be in a third world country or a ghetto to not have room for such, in which case you arguably have bigger things to worry about than a luxury hobby like 40k.

>>46628692
people who are looking for something to hold them down for the next couple of years and then move on

>>46628647
>Smart move brah. Don't get JUSt'd
Amen. Not to be a dick but I make 300% more than my fiancee and even she agreed that is was rational. I have seen too many older people get ruined in a divorce and I really like my retirement fund.

However we are doing great so i shouldn't think of the negative's positives. She even plays 40k, even if it is few and far between she enjoys the modeling aspect.

Sup /tg/
I've not played 40K in ages but I've recently been hitting up my local GW, got a fresh codex and rules and have just wrote up my first list(s)
1000 points Ork list

HQ
Big Mek 'Urtymug' + Megaarmor +bpole 80
Weirdboy 'Squigmoon' 45
2 mek + Kustblast 40

Troops
11 Boys + RTrukk + nob+ Bpole + Bshoota 121
11 Boys + RTrukk + nob+ Bpole + Bshoota 121
11 Boys + RTrukk + nob+ Bpole + Bshoota 121

Elites
9 Meganobz + Bwagon 470

Total 998
Rtrukk means Red Trukk. The plan is to have the weird boy and the meks in the three trukks, transport capactiy 12, and the Big Mek with the Bwagon, transport capacity 20, 10 bulky.

Aditionally, to make it up to 1500 points I added

Fast Attack
6 Warbikes + Nob + Bpole + Pklaw 148
6 Warbikes + Nob + Bpole + Pklaw 148
Dakkajet 110

Heavy Support
Jeff Dread + Pklaw 90
and made the Battle Wagon red + 5
Total 1499

I went with a theme of convoy and I fully expect to get destroyed when I try to field it in a couple of weeks.
What do you guys think?
Also are my character names bad? I spent ages trying to think of something good.

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>>46628636
>got a prenup and she still married you

>>46628710
Hold them down to what. You can't leave the city your signed up anyway. Unless you get enlisted or something. Unless your one of those rich people who can pay a bribe and get to permit to live anywhere they want, but then you can as well move to germany or belgium. Money stays almost the same, maybe people will steal a bit more from you when your not on the spot, but it is still less then what you save up on bribes and fees.

>>46628692
it is not that simple. If things in your own flat break (boiler etc) or the house needs fixing, the owners usually have to pay for it. If you rent many things are not your responsibility. That does change from country to country.

>>46628701
read torrent rule.

>>46628754
to the house size

you might move out at 23 or whatever and live in a 1 bedroom apartment and then start a family a few years later and need a bigger house

>>46628731
Mek guns are literally the best thing in the ork codex. No ork list is complete without them

id also swap the bosspole for a claw on the nobs, 11 boys dont pack that much of a punch and you cant use the bosspole in an ork unit with less than 10 boys(I think, might want to check)

Im unsure as to why youre using the big mek and not a warboss if youre just going to treat him like a warboss. If you want the mek im partial to giving him a shokk attack gun and sticking him in the T7 multiwound mek gun unit but he doesnt need mega armour there

If youre not putting guns on a battlewagon its just an overpriced trukk and if you do put guns on a battlewagon then its not a good transport if you actually want to shoot those guns

I get that you want a lot of meganobs since theyre good as far as orks go but you dont need that many of them, youre not sending them into a tarpit, hopefully. Take 5 of them in a trukk with a mega armour boss(You can get wargear to boost their WS on the boss, id do so) and theyll mulch anything and theres not too many ap2 melee weapons floating around, doubly so for ones that would instant death your nobs. If youre still concerned about them you could also squeeze a painboy in there. If youre dead set on having a ton of meganobs then you really should have a painboy with them

Do you think it's acceptable to bring a lord of war? Where do you draw the line?

>>46628805
Unless its speed freaks.

>>46628823
None Below 1500.

>>46628836
>>46628823
And max of one per full 1000 points.

>>46628823
depends on what and who i'm facing

>>46626696

In 40k the the trembling bulwark of a civilization on the brink of collapse has held back the nightmares from beyond, the gods you call 'right', for a full 10,000 years. that's 10,000 years of relative peace wherein trillions upon trillions of people have been able to live out their lives and raise the children to come after them. I wouldn't call that pointless.

I mean the imperium isn't any sort of utopia, by I would take it over any of the other options.

>>46628836
>>46628847
both of these are the rule of thumb at my shop as well.
Personally I can field 2500pts of both my armies and neither use a LoW.

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The actual fuck?

>>46628805
Well most of the "I don't get why" is because of its theme, also speed freaks.
Bosspole is actually to prevent you from being fucked over because you have under 10 boys in your unit
Its Mek because its a Trukk Convoy. He's in a BattleWagon because I only actually have three Trukks and they're all in use. Plus it fits the theme that the boss of the Convoy would be in the biggest Vehicle.
And I'm taking so many Meganobz because I can.

>>46628836
>>46628847
It's pretty normal for a few of the players to bring a knight at 1000 points or more where I play, never had a problem with them.

>>46628863
Fucking called it months ago.
Blizzard style "limited edition is like printing money"

>>46628863
>people are buying near-squatted items from GW direct
They got what they deserved, not even mad.

>>46628881
Does everyone have meltagun/haywire guns/Knight equivalents of their own?

>>46628847
seems reasonable.

>>46628836
going a little far.

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>>46628870
>palying orks
>making a shitty list because its fluffy

You starry eyed bastard.

>>46628863
kek what a fucking scumbag company
>lol jk we'll make more guise

>>46628919
My units capable of killing it reliably have 95% of dying in the attempt.

My own equivalent costs ~800 points.

>>46628930
Well when I used to play what, 5 years ago? I kept destroying everyone with my armys.

I Included Jeff Dread in the list because the idea of a Deff Dread running to keep up with all the zooming Trukks made me smile.

>>46628701
Anon was probably referring to Torrent range.

The enemies of the Imperium can kill humanity, but only chaos can corrupt it. That's why chaos is the greatest threat to the Imperium

>>46628903
Not everyone.

I'm the only one without some kind variant of that with my daemons so I just summon tons of plague bearers. Nid player has two flyrants, guard player had vendettas with melta platoon squad and the admech player has admech.

>>46628934
people still want the models though

>>46628953
Doesnt work like that anymore, sorry pal.

Like, youve seen the stuff other armies are fielding right? Knights and riptides and such? To be fair you probably wouldnt see a knight at 1k but definitely 1 riptide

>>46628823
Imo:
Character LoWs are fine at all points
At 2000+ fair game
At 1500-1999, just shoot them a friendly heads up.

Mostly because they really show the Rock-Paper-Scissors aspect of 40k.

Then again, I just play with friends and I want a fun game for both of us. Heck I'll let them know if I'm running tank-heavy at times so they being enough anti-tank.

>>46628962
Are you sure, Gue'la?

>>46628997
It really depends on the lord of war

Like ghazghkull is a LoW now for whatever reason despite not changing his staline.

Commander dante also isnt that insane in 1500 either

Got a 2000pt game against Tyranids tomorrow which means two flyrants. I still haven't figured out how to take them down but the rest of his army is fairly easy.

How do you deal with those giant flying bastards with your army?

>>46629016
>how do you deal with them /tg/
>Just list all the anti air for every army in the hopes you guess right

>>46628988
doesnt matter thats not how 'last chance to buy' type sales work
>we're dumping old stock come buy now!
>nvm we'll make more lol
scum

>>46629010
dante is a beast. he is not as tanky as draigo but between the lords of war, he is one of the best.

>>46629016
If it is just the two flyrants, you might actually ignore them, destroy the rest of is forces, grap the objectives and accept a few losses. You can try to hide the important squads behind empty tanks so he has a problemm seeing all, etc.

>>46628990
I have not actually played a game of current edition, or seen one played.
I'll be going up to the games night next week and hopefully be getting a game the week after, gives me time to pretend to paint my stuff and possibly make some alt lists.

I'd post a picture of my badly painted models but I got bad lighting in here and no flash on the only camera that works.

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>>46627769

Cant belive my Eyes 0-0

>my knight wont be so lonely soon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLYmEJEElgg&list=PLy55WVLwDMPlyr7qFDehv8aCI9wnuDvZd&index=21&nohtml5=False

>>46629010
Why I said Character LoWs (Dragio, Ghazz, Dante, etc.) are fine no matter what. None are immune to basic guns. And were just ported from their 5e codex HQ slots to LOW because reasons.

>>46629023
Nah just wanted to see how other armies like to deal with them. I am fairly new so I don't know non Space Marine ways of dealing with them. I don't have any of the good AA models yet so they have really been messing me up.

>>46629037
I think this is my best bet. I run a bunch of bikes so I am hoping I can stay ahead of him and take out his numbers quickly.

>>46629010
>not changing his staline.
What do you mean?
He lost an attack and had his 5++ replaced with a 6+ fnp.

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>>46629082
Of course, how could i forget

>>46629082
whoo, did he at least got more expensive?

>>46629147
>that art
LOL

>>46629027
>we're dumping old stuck
>it's far more popular than expected
>half the people didn't know the sale was on and the models they wanted sold out before they found out
>gw can make more profit and those people can get the models they missed out on
i'dd fully expect gw to do it a third time if it still sells as fast as it did the first time around but it's not like they're secretly going to keep doing this indefinitely

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I won a gift certificate (around 100 €) in a 40k tournament and I'm thinking about using it to buy a small force of Admech (always did like the cogboys). I'm not very familiar with the army, though. Any ideas on what I should get?

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Do we have any more of the new Loyalist detachments? This was the only full one I could find.

>>46629147
Reminds me that I have a Bolt Thrower picture disc upstairs.

>>46629181
The Get Started box is full of the best shit AdMech has. I'd buy 1 of those and the codexes.

>>46629180
>but it's not like they're secretly going to keep doing this indefinitely
>implying

>>46629181
Just go for the Start Collecting box. Can't remember how much you save, but it's a good deal.

>>46627769
Get that ring off your fat fingers

>>46629181
The Start Collecting box is a bretty good start.

From my understanding even two of them isn't a terrible idea.

>>46629181
2 starter boxes.
Sell/trade off the extra magos.

>>46629205
Jesus, judging by the picture that is simply not an option.

>>46629147
Is there a particular song or music track that has a similar beat to this because I'm just not able to pick up the rhythm.

>>46629198
>>46629208
>>46629212
How should I equip the models? Also, wouldn' two started boxes kind of have a problem in that you can't actually take the Magos with the Skitarii outside the formation (or the war convocation, which would require getting one of every Skitarii unit and a Knight)? So while you could squadron the two walkers the second Skitarius unit would be wasted (or the Magos would be, but I'd intent to use him if at all possible since the mini is amazing).

>>46626774
>Sorry for the huge walls of green text. I just thought this is interesting..

Sorry? Hell no anon. Thank you for taking the time out of your day to share that. Thats legit contributing to the 40k general. Id never have read that otherwise; my hate for everything Tau is real.

>>46629262
Get a single unit of kataphrons and call it an allied detachment, or sell off the Magos. Either way, you want 10+ Vanguard and 2 Onagers.

I traditionally go whole hog with mine - ten Vanguard with 3 Plasma Calivers, and 2 Onagers with Neutron Lasers. All things capable of it get a Conversion Field, as well.

>>46626843
Shitposting faggot.

>>46629248
Not that i know of, artist put out the same question, only suggestion was cotton eye Joe, but that didn't work for me.

>just not able to pick up the rhythm.
Country music in a nutshell, if you caaaan't make it fit jussssst draw shit ouuuut til iiit doooeeeeeeesss.

>>46626927
>get called out on being full of shit
>"hi Carnac"

damage control'd

>>46628163
If GW's going to fuck over CSM players, why not just use the loyalist rules? Outside of the Dinobots, Spawn, and Princes, everything has a loyalist equivalent.

>>46629292
This is probably why I don't go out of my way to listen to country most of the time.

>>46626992
>CSM codex is weak on the table
>the fluff it contains is innacurate

that might be the dumbest shit Ive seen posted here in a long time.

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What if: A novel about a Leman Russ haunted by the ghost of Leman Russ?

>>46627086
trying too hard.

>>46629297

>Coming back hours later to support yourself in the vague hope you'll make an anonymous poster feel bad

Hi Carnac.

>>46629300
It's both a case on convenience and principle.

Convenience: Because having to write up a whole diagram and give your opponent a quick primer because those rubrics are legion of the damned, the oblits are grav centurions, the terminators with a reaper autocannon and chainfist has a cyclone missile launcher but the one with a power axe and combi-bolter has dual lightning claws etc and having to carefully remind them (and sometimes yourself!) about all of this every 5 minutes and having them second-guess everything they attack or shoot or plan for about what that unit REALLY counts-as is unreasonable in the extreme and grinds a game to a halt.

Principle: If I wanted to play loyalists, I would fucking play loyalists.

>>46629181

IS MAKING BULLETS FORM ISLAND OF STABILITY ELEMENTS REASONABLE?
NOPE
IS IT FUCKING RADICAL AS ALL HELL?
DAMN STRAIGHT
NOW GO TEACH SOME HERETEKS ABOUT SOME MOTHER FUCKING SCIENCE

>>46629318
That's what I thought but then I saw your post :^)

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>>46629330

Aye lads, I want to start playing 40k and the tyranids look cool, anything i should know about them? Is it a waste of time because they're shit?

>>46627847
Q3/4 2017 is Chaos update. Enjoy another year and a half of not playing. Dont let GW force you into buying another army, thats their goal here.

>>46629369
>russ
>beard

>>46629377
It's less the tyranids and more your taste in general.

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>>46629318
CSM is literally the worst army in the game or rather it would be if orks didnt exist. As it stands they merely compete.

They COMPETE with ORKS

>>46629377
I mean you could lurk more and do your research and find out pretty quickly. I am pretty sure there was a new Tyranid player a general or two back as well.

Reading their 1d4chan tactics will just be the same you are about to be told.

>>46629406

not at all.

They compete with orks for most butthurt players, but the dex just isn't that bad.

>>46629405
pls senpei, its not that bad

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When did you realize that goffs wear black and are called that way because they're goths

>>46629147
Source on the image? Is there more?

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>>46629377
>tyranids look cool
Then it's not a waste.

If you like 'nids, want to collect, paint and play with them, maybe win occatinally, it's worth it.

If you want to win games and tyranids are just a tool to do so, that's a different matter.

>>46629476

>>46629406
CSM has Forgeworld and Battle brothers.

You know who Orks closest ally is?

Do you?

Fuckin' CSM.

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>>46629447
The fucking second i saw their name and colour scheme?

How long did it take you, anon?

>>46629447
are they homosexuals who cut themselves?

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>>46629524
I wouldnt consider tacking a shitty codex onto a better one makes that codex any better

>>46629542
Emo and goth are different things you know.

>>46629349
Oh, you're that retard. Your principle point is irrelevant. No one is forcing you to do it.

It's only a problem in terms of knowing what's what if you're a retard. Keep everything WYSIWYG whenever possible. If your opponents can't consistently remember that your obliterators are Centurions, you need to stop playing with the metally handicapped.

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>>46629447
They are also the other sort of goths, that lay waste to civilization and they march forth a wast mindless horde or reavers, smashing, burning and looting all in their way.

Is there an Eisenhorn audiobook somewhere in exsistence?

Been wanting to read that book for a while but have no time if I'm ever going to get anything painted.

>>46629557
>Emo and goth are different things you know.
nah they arent

goth are just ugly emos

How long did the Emperor rule humanity for?

And are there any dates set in stone for when the emperor revealed himself on terra, unified terra, and got interred into the golden throne?

>>46629557
Might have phrased that poorly what i meant was CSM have good BB allies and forgeworld access.

Orks have... One eye open allies, and those allies are the CSM.

Only ones with worse acces to allies is 'nids and Cacharodons

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>>46629571
>machine gun guitars retconned

Sad days

>>46629582
One is a subset of the other but goth is a subset of punk and as far as im aware has nothing particularly defined to it attitude or action wise, merely aesthetic. Fucking mr.rodgers could be goth so long as he had the clothes and the make-up. Emo is a subset of goth(i think, unsure) but you do need to cut yourself specifically. Maybe you think your ignorance is amusing because you hate both cultures(Ive no love for them either) but thats the attitude of niggers. Youre not a nigger are you, anon?

>>46629406
Orks are definitely the worse army. >>46629428
Orks are worst. Chaos Space Marines and Tyranids are pretty close, but a large part of that is the Flyrants. Then there's Dark Eldar, who're better than the previous three but closer to them than the rest of the pack.

>>46629654
>Maybe you think your ignorance is amusing because you hate both cultures(Ive no love for them either) but thats the attitude of niggers. Youre not a nigger are you, anon?
actually unlike your uninformed self i went to school with plenty of both. they are all suicidal homosexuals. the only different being that one is an old trend that came out of death rock and the other is a newer trend that came out of post-punk. both are faggot scum.

>>46629689
Anon, no one here's going to judge you for liking dick. No need to posture like a burly anime character.

>>46629633
I mean its orks, what do you expect? Imperium should problem be one eye open though. Red axes and all.

I stand by my point though, Being able to ally with a good army shouldnt make that army any better. I mean technically i guess but if someone wants to play CSM you dont go "Oh yeah, CSM are pretty good. Just make sure to make your army 75% daemon codex"

>>46629264
Not sure if serious.

>>46629689
>. both are faggot scum
As a faggot, I want nothing to do with either. Please do not lump them in with us.

At 1850 pts csm allied with daemons, should i get a second hell drake or get a soul grinder? I already have 6 obliteraters for my heavy support if that means anything

>>46629733
>Anon, no one here's going to judge you for liking dick.
i like my dick
>No need to posture like a burly anime character.
those exist?

>>46629758
>second heldrake

Don't be that guy.

>>46629737
Lumping all the Imperial Armies together was a massive mistake.

>>46629758
Soul grinder, easy. In fact you should have two. Pleghm bombardment is so good

>>46629769
They toned down heldrakes, theyre not so bad

>>46629758
Post rest of list because that depends on a lot of factors. For example what do you if the drakes show up late?

>>46629769
> 2 Helldrakes
> That Guy
That Guy is 3+ units of Flesh Hounds with 2 attached characters with bike/wings each. 2 Helldrakes is nothing.

>>46629769
What the other guy said thought they toned them down enough for me to take two and not be a huge fag

>>46629377
What this >>46629493 guy said, just don't buy directly from GW and it's all good

>>46629769
>helldrakes
>good
what is this 2011?

>>46629567
>Your principle point is irrelevant. No one is forcing you to do it.
It is very relevant BECAUSE i'm choosing to not do it.

>Why not do it?
>No, because of principle
That's it. Saying anything else doesn't even have anything to do with the question. It's a case closed deal.

>Keep everything WYSIWYG whenever possible
Not everything's possible and there's a lot of shit that doesn't have a loyalist version. What are forgefiends? What are hades autocannons? What are Oblits going to wield as Centurions? Do you have to break apart your termies because their loadouts were chaos-specific but now they're meant to be loyalist versions? Is the Sorc's spell familiar a psychic hood or something else again?

Having to keep track of one or two counts-as is fine, but having to keep track of an entire ARMY of counts-as while also keeping in mind everything else is a massive chore.

>>46629781
I'd be taking 3 fan but I'm allyng with daemons, I would be allyng with csm but I don't like the warp storm table

>>46629769
Heldrakes aren't 'that' good anymore. The Vector Strike nerf coupled with the turret ruling drastically limits their offensive output and makes it a lot easier to avoid them.
>>46629758
Post the rest of the list. If you've got lots of ground armor, Soul Grinder probably.

>>46629788
I'll post it in a bit as my phone is going to die and I'm in class

>>46629818
You could take fateweaver so warp storm doesnt fuck you over

>>46629792
That's KDK not CSM.

>>46628863
At least I'll be able to get Isabella von Carstein for my inquisitor conversion

Seriously, fuck Games Workshop. This is such a scummy thing to do.

>>46629932
You're not me! My inquisitor will be the most glamorous in the quadrant!

>>46629818
you can use a second combined arms detatchment for daemons and get 3 soul grinders.

the warp storm table is only if the daemon force is your primary army. if it is still your csm force. all is good.

Lore question for blueberry experts

If a size able military force of tau was stranded on a planet for a few generations with no ethereals around and with limited manufacturing ability, what would they be like? Does tau equipment hold up like imperial equipment? Can ammunition for pulse weapons be easily produced?

>>46629955
Where you the guy who asked about an inquisitor in /wip/?
I actually looked at the Vampire Counts range because of that post

>>46628836
well now you're getting one in every game thanks to this game

>>46629977
I am, as well as the person who wants to do the base-magnetized wargear thing.

>>46629813
Cool, you choose not to. Not sure how it's relevant to anyone else. I never told you to do it, nor did I say you had to.

I already said Forgefiends don't really have a good equivalent although I've run mine as a Deredeos before

My Oblits use the same weapon that I counts-as for Grav on my infantry. As long as you're consistent throughout the list, this isn't an issue with non-retards.

Spell familiar is just ignored. You could call it the psychic hood if you want, but it's not like there's ever any confusion about psychic hoods.

Yes, if you want to run your termies, you should probably try to run them in a loyalist legal setup. Havoc Launchers make great stand-ins for CML.

The vast majority of any set of CSM has direct analogues in Codex:Space Marines.

>>46629818
Just take the formation from WZ:F. 3 Grinders with a buff.

Running the Incursion also make the table a lot friendlier. Incursion+Fateweaver pretty means it's always a boon.

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>>46629769
>loyalists still have ptsd over the heldrake

on a serious note i've played a game where i didn't have much anti tank or AA and it was rather annoying, really highlights the weakness of my army

>>46629654
I knew a goth girl when I went to highschool. Sweet lass, real polite and happy, good sense of humor too. Honestly, dunno why I never asked her out, she and I were good friends.


>>46629493
Anon, this guy has it right. If they speak to you, man, and you know you want them, get them.

>>46629959
This is news to me, and this is legal yes? Cause I do want 3 battle cannon soul grinders without taking a damn fateweaver in a primary demon army to reduce warp storm

If you were chaos aligned and got to choose any CSM legion to support your heresies, which one would you pick?

>>46630051
Alright so what weapon do you use? Assuming you're using the GW oblit minis which have like 3 random weapons sticking out of a blob of flesh. Mine are kitbashed, so I got one with an autocannon for an arm, another with a chainsword and a double-barreled wrist-mounted shotgun, one with two missile launchers and another with two heavy bolters. I'll just go make some others so I don't have to get my shit pushed in brb.

>Direct analogues
Alright. Gimme for:
Noise Marines' weapons
Maulerfiend (size and base size included)
Cultists
Daemon summoning (intimate to my CSM's theme)

>>46629975
Nope.
Shit goes south fast if tau suffer logistics breakdowns.

Military forces rarely even have earth caste engineers enough to maintain what they have, drawbacks of very high technology and caste system.

Fire warriors can maintain their rifles well enough, replace parts if they have the materials, but they are clueless as to manufacture, agriculture and farming is unnecessary information, hell even foraging is for kroots and primitives with no infrastructure.

>>46630113
>she and I were good friends.
That's why, risking going from good friends to awkward acquaintances is a powerful deterrent, even if you stay friends after, the why him and not me will eat like an ulcer.

>>46629654
>Emo is a subset of goth
I get a bit autistic about this since I really like emo, but that's a common misconception that's completely wrong

Emo was basically born from the post-hardcore punk scene as bands followed the example of guys like Jawbreaker, Mineral, Cap'n Jazz and Sunny Day Real Estate and had more of a focus on how fucking sad they all were. Hell, it used to be called emotional post-hardcore. It was mostly a scene filled with middle class white guys in their early twenties that went to too many local shows.

Then along came this band called Jimmy Eat World that started off as a small emo group, before changing to pop punk. They then exploded in popularity and the retards in magazines like NME and the Rolling Stone got confused and thought their new sound was emo and started applying the term to it. Then came guys like My Chemical Romance that started that whole faggy goth shit in the mid 2000s.

Gradually the vocals got more harsh and screamo sprouted out from it, which is another genre that is completely different to what people think it is and got mixed up so badly that the original genre is now called skramz, but that's another rant.

tl;dr
this is emo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AzCgE43OXg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8cdAsbSyRo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SX3KNG6exM
this isn't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDWgsQhbaqU

anyway, how about that warhammer

>>46630153
Alpha Legion, stylish kit and they are good at being tricky cunts, not my own strong suit.

>>46630153

Alpha Legion.

>>46630178
What?
You mean Emo isn't just about how they dress?
That's silly, next you'll try to tell me all metalheads aren't neo-nazi bikers.

>>46630162
This is the third time I have to tell your mentally challenged ass that there is no analogue for the Daemon Engines. I also never said there were analogues for everything.

No one is saying you have to. You don't need to descend into spergmadness when people mention using CSM for Loyalists.

>>46630162
Use blast masters and plasma cannons and other weapons as plasma guns.
Maulerfiend can be an ironclad.
Cultists can be scouts.
Librarians are much better at summoning daemons that CSMs will ever be due to librarius conclave, much less likely to peril too.
As for oblits you can use them as centurions.

>>46630125
>he needs fateweaver to reduce warp storm

i'm tired of this meme and i wish /tg/ would play more rather then hearsy but yes warpstorm only happens when daemons are your primary. my last game (partially due to incursion) all i got was +1 invul or an attack against the enemy

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>>46630289
Hey, I'm just asking you to back up your shit, you're the guy who keeps resorting to name-calling.

You told me "IT'S EASY YOU JUST USE A DIFFERENT CODEX" when you gave me another reason why that's not an option: Turns out there's no fucking analogous units and wargear choices for most of the shit I and a lot of others use. you don't even explain your Obliterator/infantry counts-as loadout despite bringing it up yourself.

>>46630125
You mean harvester cannon? I dont know why you wouldnt shell out extra for the pleghm though. You get to keep the cannon for skyfire

>>46630344
Right, so Noise Marines would be Sternguard or any other unit that can use all those special weapons right? Is an Ironclad the same size base and profile as a Maulerfiend (aren't they like half the size of one?). Do scouts have some sort of autogun equivalent for the Cultists? Cause this would be a WYSIWYG nightmare honestly.

>>46630383
I use modified Gauss Weapons for my Grav.

If you were consistent, noise weaponry would make a great count-as for Grav weaponry.

I was talking to someone else, then you started accusing me of shitposting. The other guy was amenable to the idea, so there's no need for you to get so anally pained.

>>46629573
Anyone?

>>46630344
Maulerfiends are a shitty ironclad counts as since they're wildly different in size and movement style.

Cultists lack the armor and weapons to stand-in for Scouts.