MTG Modern General

Why are Damnation and Bitterblossom so expensive when both see little to no play?

>>46496591
Price memory, the fact that they do see play, and in Damnation's case its singular printing.

>>46496591
Highly desired, barely reprinted if at all. Damnation will continue to climb thanks to EDH anyways.

Reminder that Visions will do nothing to Modern while SotM will make control great again.

>>46496610
>Bitterblossom seeing play
No.
>>46496610
>Price memory
What's that?

>>46496591
Bitterblossom because of price memory from it's time in T2. It doesn't matter that it's supply overwhelms it's demand, it was very expensive once, it'll be expensive forever.
Damnation because of extreme underprinting, there's less rares of old expansions than mythics of newer sets.

>>46496815
>it was very expensive once, it'll be expensive forever
Weird, Thundermaw Hellkite isn't still $60.

>>46496815
Wait, what is price memory? Sellers still being delusional enough that people will actually buy their unplayable crap?

>>46496878
It's the exact opposite. Players being dumb enough to pay a lot more money than they should

>>46496878
You'll see this when Jace is still $40+ after standard rotates.

>>46496572
Chaos Dunk?

>>46496709
SotM is more of a combo piece than a control element, not saying it can't be.

I've been play testing it in Esper Gifts and it's insanely consistent. Now just have to wait for Tezz to drop under $50 a piece...

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So is Sultai now a viable GBx deck? GBx core+meme value with Jace and AV should be good right?

>>46496572
>not Slamnation

>>46497028
>SotM is more of a combo piece than a control element
Nigger what? SotM + Foundry is pure lategame grind. Sure it's a "combination" of cards, but so is Countertop.

>>46497036
When Brainstorm, Shardless, and Strix are printed in Modern, BUG will become an archetype. Until then, have fun with Vision seeing literally zero play outside of Grixis Midrange and the odd UWx shitbrew.

Id like to take a moment to highlight that Wizards banned Splinter Twin for "being a combo that Blue decks just jammed in," and followed it up with unbanning a card purpose built to be jammed in Blue decks recklessly.

>>46497105
>an archetype
You mean "a deck".

>>46497105
>card purpose built to be jammed in Blue decks recklessly

Don't forget the other unban, the combo enabler that can be jammed into a huge amount of shells.

>>46497111
Idk if you've noticed, but "midrange" in Legacy tends to gravitate around a single "deck," and by gravitate I mean just is a single build.

Hint: Its the one that gets to play Brainstorm and FoW, kill Delvers for free, and draw like 6 cards in a turn.

>>46496850
It's not $2 like timmy-friendly former standard staple cards used to be either. Wait a couple years.

>>46497148
Maverick, Jund, Stoneblade variants and Loam can all be considered midrange

>>46496878
>>46496981
This. Stores are just being smart and realizing
>players are dumb
>there's no authority to combat price-fixing
If starcity decides it doesn't want to "lose" money selling Jaces for $10 more than they bought them (instead of $50+) post rotation, they don't have to, other stores will follow suit afraid to cause an upset, and ebay sellers are a grain of sand.

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>>46496572
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-new-fortress-in-town/

Man do I want this baby to work.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/greenwhite-samurai/
Did someone say shitbrews? I have 60 but Tapped out is being a raging asshole since I tried to adjust the number of shocks and fetches.

What's the cheapest deck I can play in this format?

>>46497267
Budget versions of UG Infect, Bogles or Burn.

>>46497267
Burn

>>46497267
T1 + T2? Probably Living End or Burn

>>46497189
I don't get why Wizards doesn't fuck over the secondary market by reprinting everything expensive ever in supplemental sets. Would sell a lot a and get rid of these worthless parasitic speculators who are a cancer to the community and the game in general.

>>46497290
Games dead in that aspect, part of why the community now is pretty stuck up. You gotta accept magic is the game for rich nerds who want to feel like they're playing a stock market simulator. It's like the original TF2.

If they actually did do that, there'd probably be a huge outlash because those type of people are the core of the game now. The people who didn't like/could not spend 800-1500 on a deck left years ago

>>46497290
Because they buy a lot of cases and host a lot of tournaments.

>>46497290
Because SCG buys more booster boxes than all advanced, core and unsanctioned stores in the state.
WotC's clients are SCG/CFB and Walmart/Target. If you're not a wannabe uberspike who buys what "pros" writting for the big sites tells you to buy, or a super casual, magic really is not for you, as in, it isn't designed, marketed or sold in a way you can benefit from.

>>46497313
>>46497290
To be fair they are sort of doing that with Commander products, Duel Decks, Event Decks and the like. These are usually filled with value. The main issue is that if they overdid it, the same cancerous speculators would just buy all the products in bulk to get as much value as possible and stores would mechanically raise prices accordingly. Look at what happened to 2013 Mind Seize.

Jewzards actually wants to distill value in its products, they just want to do it in away that profits them, not the secondary market. Overdoing it is not the solution.

>>46497361
Is it time for me to accept card games are a defunct hobby?

>>46497390
Also we could get a repeat of Chronicles.

>>46497426
Good, we need a repeat of chronicles. People who leech this game and keep people from playing it so they can play hugbox stockmarket need to get cancer and die

>>46497439
Chronicles is what caused the Reserved List shitlord. Could have killed the game.

>>46497361
You're aware that there's more to Magic than the States, right? Here in Europe we have this thing called MKM and it's glorious. I don't know how Americans can deal with JewCityGames's overpriced crap.

>>46497459
When the game is almost designed entirely around speculator faggots and collectards, it already is dead. Rather the game be dead than where it is now with every deck being a minimum of a grand

>>46497459
>game is affordable, speculators anally devastated
>dead
W-what?

>>46497459
Chronicles was in the 1990's where Magic was still niche. Now it boasts a 20M playerbase, more than a third of which is female and 90% kitchen table tier casual. These people don't give a fuck about collectibility and are Jewzards' bread-and-butter. The Reserved List is more a hindrance than anything to them now, they wish they could make Legacy accessible to the casuals.

>>46497483
>Man, all those cards I saved money to get for my deck are now worth shit
>Whelp :^)

>>46497484
So why the fuck don't they?

>>46497209
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=244674

>>46497506
>people stop playing because their cards aren't worth a small fortune anymore
Good, they are cancer

>>46497506
And? It's not like the money you saved went to WotC's pocket. There's no net loss, they don't care.

>>46497506
The cards are meant to played with, retard.
>boohoo I cant cash out of [insert any hobby but mtg here]
I would laugh at anyone saying the above.

>>46497538
>>46497506
>>46497534
This. Yes, Id be pissed if they reprinted something which I just bought for 100$. Would I be pissed if they reprinted literally everything? No. My decks would be worthless. But every other deck would also be worthless. Sure I cant cash out if I ever wanted to, but I can get all the decks I ever wanted for cheap!

>>46497519
Their lawyers did the numbers and decided that:

reward - risk < 0

>>46497519
See >>46497390
They are already sort of doing it but little by little so speculators can't "game" them. They can't reprint powerful old cards in normal sets because they are too strong for Standard, and supplemental sets always run the risks of being sold out or overpriced by stores (see BFZ fat pack fiasco). It's not easy.

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is she a feeder?

>>46497559
We are not referring to the Reserved list but value cards in general. They have no obligation of not reprinting every non-reserved Legacy staple in existence, in fact they are already doing it with Eternal Masters.

NEW BANLIST WHEN

>>46497604
Already tired of the Monday bans are we?

>>46496992
If we're talking Fetus Jace, he's never going to go below $60. He's never getting reprinted, and he's played in modern and legacy.

>>46497625
>never getting reprinted
What are supplemental products

>>46497637
Did you ever see a card over 10$ getting reprinted?

They didn't even unban preordrain? Fucking cucks

>>46497644
On top of my head, what are Elspeths, Tezzeret, Geist of Saint Traft, True-Name Nemesis, Skullclamp, Wurmcoil Engine, Duress and Siege Rhino?

>>46497688
>True-Name Nemesis, Siege Rhino
>reprinted

>>46497688
Modern masters sets, Upcoming Eternal masters, Conspiracy 1.

FtV versions, Premium decks and so on. But to be honest, the amount of reprints isn't nearly enough. Modern isn't an accessible format anymore, since even niche decks cost a little fortune.

>>46497688
>Siege Rhino, Duress, Skullclamp
Were never over 10$

>Tezzeret Elspeth
Honestly cant say, didnt play around that time and the price memory of all the sites only reach back to 2013, where it already was ~6$

>Truename
He never got printed outside of a supplemental product

youve got a point with geist tho

>>46497747
Also thoughtseize, shocklands, fetches.... There is things.

>>46497730
What is Commander 2013 Mind Seize and Magic Origins clash pack?

>>46497748
Duress was expensive back in the days before it got reprinted to oblivion. Skullclamp and Rhino were at $9, that's not 10 I'll give you that.

>>46497748
>outside of a supplemental set
That's the point. Supplemental sets are good ways to reprint value cards that are too strong for Standard.

>>46497571
The game has a limited lifespan. If they reprint things (which they are), they will do it painfully slow so as to sell as much product as possible and extend the life of the game. Wizards thinks long term.

>>46497827
Yeah, but Truename originial printing was in a set like that. It wasnt a super expensive reprint from Arabian Nights, it was a commander exclusive that found a place in legacy

>>46497833
Meant for:
>>46497519

>Eye of Ugin banned
>Sword of the Meek unbanned
>Ancestral Vision unbanned

>>46497747
That's why they are dropping Modern little by little to make way for their new rotating format where all counterspells and unconditional removals cost 3, all mana dorks cost 2 and all wraths cost 5 or more. Don't know the name yet but it will be sort of a grindfest for casuals who want to play expensive creatures to turn sideways.

>>46490950
>>46490950
This is so silly but I want to build it

>>46497423
Lcgs are five though.

>>46498021
>>46498021
The Jews wouldn't let them drop modern support, considering modern is scgs biggest moneymaker.

>>46490950
Simian Brawler
Zodiac Monkey

Is Skred Red still a thing?

>>46498051
>playing monkey.Dec
>not playing guerilla tactics
Shigg E. Diggy.

All of you people know the answer to hoarders is to full the market of fakes, to cause terror and make all those jew sell their shit before it goes with no value. Chinamen got the answer

>>46498138
Casuals are a bigger market than SCG which is limited to the US anyway.

>>46497028
I'm going to need to see a list, friendo.

>>46497209
Run Abzan Doran

This is 2016 and there's still no decent software for playing MtG.

So at my LGS I've been fucking around with my pet project modern deck. I really like how consistent it is, but I need to strengthen it mid game.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/11-02-16-skeleton-tribal/

Things I was considering:
Skeleton key: replace phyrexian arena. It will let me get what I need a bit faster and I can put my skeletons into the grave pretty liberally, so the discard is a non-issue.

Coat of arms: door of destinies isn't fast enough to get use of. I think coat of arms would have better synergy.

Bone splinter: low cost kill spell to remove early threats. I have many 1 drop skeletons that are easy to retrieve, so the sacrifice cost is a non-issue.

Flayed nim: replace dimir house guard. Finisher creature when combined with coat of arms.

Adding a third damnation for more consistently drawing it maybe?

Any sideboard reccomendations would be helpful as well.

>>46499547
Wow.

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>>46496572
>mfw pulled a foil Damnation in the Planar chaos pre-release

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Is this deck just a meme or actually playable? I mean it's pretty cheap so it's worth a try, maybe it also gets better with AV.

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-taking-turns-24931#paper

>>46499467
>what is Forge

>>46496572
>post shitbrews

oh boy! i went 3-1 with this last night. won with hidetsugu's second rite in 3 games.

Instant (29)
4x Anticipate
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
2x Cryptic Command
1x Darkblast
1x Gifts Ungiven
1x Hidetsugu's Second Rite
1x Kolaghan's Command
4x Lightning Bolt
2x Mana Leak
3x Mystical Teachings
1x Noxious Revival
1x Spell Snare
1x Surgical Extraction
2x Telling Time
3x Terminate
1x Think Twice
Land (25)
1x Academy Ruins
1x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
1x Breeding Pool
3x Island
1x Kher Keep
4x Polluted Delta
2x Steam Vents
3x Sulfur Falls
1x Swamp
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Wandering Fumarole
2x Watery Grave
Artifact (1)
1x Engineered Explosives
Creature (5)
4x Snapcaster Mage
1x Vendilion Clique
Sideboard (15)
1x Ancient Grudge
1x Anger of the Gods
1x Countersquall
1x Izzet Staticaster
1x Liliana of the Veil
1x Molten Rain
1x Negate
2x Pyroclasm
2x Spellskite
2x Thoughtseize
1x Volcanic Fallout
1x Wurmcoil Engine

>>46499467
Xmage is adequate.

>>46499776
That seems pretty strange, and I'm not sure how you deal with aggro. What did you play against?

>>46499721
>>46499797
These. Forge is even on phones

>>46499776
>no Consume the Meek
3/10 see me after class

>>46499845
I played against a BR aggro brew, abzan midrange, Melira company, and u tron.

aggro is pretty rough game one depending on the variety (naya blitz is the worst and infect is the best) but I have a bunch of sideboard cards to shore it up. fallout can be tutored with teachings.
the abzan match was the most fun, game 1 I was able to lock out his inferring souls with explosives + academy ruins, game 2 he had stony silence so I extracted lingering souls then eventually cast wurmcoil.
overall I won 3 games by casting hidetsugu's second rite, which was all I wanted to do for the night so I was beyond happy.

>>46499940
oh shit how'd I forget about that card? what do you suggest I cut? I'm real bad at finding space for new stuff.

>>46500020
Blue Sun's or Surgical.
Surgical needs to be somewhere in the 75, though.

>>46497209
Considering I have a Cube with this draft archetype and a Tiny Leaders deck designed around this idea, I am so doing this. Thank you.

Thank you!

>>46500345
thanks man. I think bsz is the cut since I wasn't happy to see it once.

>>46500409
>Tiny Leaders
People still play this?

>>46499706
Wins some games with surprise factor, playing Radiants instead of Mikokoro is just wrong. You'll lose to every aggro deck imaginable.

>>46500441
Also if you have Surgical in the main I would really try to squeeze in a few Ghost Quarters or Tec Edges. Maybe cut Kher Keep and something else. Being able to destroy a Tron piece and then extract it is huge in G1.

>>46497037
Came here to post this. Glad to see it happened earlier. Good work

>>46500452
Kitchen Table, sure. Beats breaking out an EDH deck when waiting for 20 minutes. My group doesn't keep up with Standard and their 'Modern' decks are holdovers from RtR/Theros standard.

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>>46497521
obviously better, nigger

>>46497010
Slamnation.

>>46500516
thanks for the suggestion. It hurts me to cut Kher keep just because it's hilarious, but there's not a lot of goyf in my meta so it's not really doing much.

>>46500653
You need an alternate wincon. If they Pithing Needle, Chalice for 2, counter, or destroy your Formation you have to have a back up plan. Doran can still act as a beater since he lacks defender. I feel that there are better options though, just don't know what.

>>46497564
I want to fuck it

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Was there ever any interest for Hangarback in Affinity? Too slow?

>>46497781
TNN was only printed in the commander 2013 set, ya dingus.

>>46501157
Too slow.

Get's path'd.

>>46498318
Yea I tear up my lgs with it and a spicy RW version I brewed up

would shardless agent be good with ancestral vision?

>>46501802
would sword of the meek be good with thopter foundry?

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all d&t players must fucking hang

>>46501842
would Splinter Twin be good with Deceiver Exarch?

>>46501842
>>46501877
you know what I mean autists

is shardless agent actually going to viable to play in any decks with visions, some sort of u/g/b control

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>>46501907
Shardless isn't Modern legal bud.

>>46499592
What's wrong? Am I boned?

>>46501907
shardless agent isn't modern legal. it was only printed in a supplemental product outside of normal block rotation, like containment priest and true-name nemesis.

shardless BUG is a legacy deck.

>>46501907
It's not legal.
Sometimes I wonder who makes these posts
Are you drowning in your own drool and having to peer at the screen from under your enormous brow?

>>46501967
Yeah. Wow

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>>46501967
Listen here you little shit

why are all the cascade cards so shit apart from BBE

just had another look through all the cards with cascade and most of them are still utterly garbage even if you add "and draw 3 cards" to them

Thinking about brewing UW turns. I have most of the shit for it, and UW gets you tools that might be strong against aggro which is a bad matchup for the deck (and increasingly a larger share of the format).

Supreme Verdict was one big draw.

>>46502315
Because they'd obviously be busted.
They're good for what they do. You don't care what they say in the card other than cascade

>>46502315
Because it's a really good mechanic. To keep it from being "dominant" most of the cards had to be kind of shit.

Or something.

>>46502315
Maelstrom Wanderer is quite broken _________in EDH_______

>>46502462
I love Maelstrom Archangel, but it can't be good in Modern I fear. Such a neat ability though.

>>46501689
List?

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Wow what a diverse format. Theres actually not a single deck that even interests me. I scroll through goldfish meta a lot and all the decks are garbage and boring to play. Where as I look at Legacy and can point out several decks id likd to play from Painter to Miracles.

>>46502315
What is Shardless agent

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>>46502681
>WHAT IS MODERN

>>46502679
Awe babby's first bait

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>>46502679
You forgot this

>>46498021
It's called standard

>>46502737
>>46502776
>pointing out moderns lack of interesting decks and archetype diversity is bait

>>46502837
>trying this hard
Wew lads

>>46502737
The only deck that ill concede could be interesting to play is Jund, but its $2000. And its been on a downswing lately

>>46502847
Honestly its not like I dislike Modern I just dislike that there arent interesting decks to build. I might try building Thopter Sword because i liked it back in Extended.

>>46502861
So you're just baiting?
Generic good stuff in jund colours looks ' interesting ' to you? Take this low tier shit elsewhere

>>46502920
Its more interesting then mindlessly slapping guides and bolts down, or opals and arcbounds down.

>>46502315
Violent outburst is pretty alright.

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>>46496572
I guess only now they truly managed to make wrath of the gods a "black" card

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>trying to make zombies work in modern
Please god let Eldritch Moon have something good

>>46502679
>>46502837
>>46502900

Good thing you've showed up in modern general to tell us about your feelings, then.

>>46502946
Then don't play those decks. You're not grinding for a gp or playing against the pros every night

Or just play legacy and take your shit attitude with you

>>46502946
Affinity has lots of lines of play though. For example, i lost a game against bogles because i thought I could push through regular damage, but the opponent suddenly got lifelink on his dude. I was able to keep chumping it for days, but eventually ran out of gas, then they found rancor and trampled over my Ensoul'd darksteel citadel. I had a signal pest and a inkmoth nexus on board too. If I had gone for poison a turn sooner, I would have had that game.

All i want for Christmas is a black removal spell akin to lightning bolt versatility

>>46502861
Most of the interesting decks in Modern are lower tier, like Ritual Gifts.

>>46503040
go for the throat

>>46503038
Sounds like you're just bad with the deck. Obviously Bogles runs lifelink and infect is the go to answer in your situation

>>46503040
even legacy doesn't have this, the best non modern legal black removals are Ghastly Demise and Snuff Out and they are also both conditional

>>46503079
Bad against affinity and has no way of dealing with their elementalcreaturetypelands. Plus costs more

>>46503087
I was pretty new with the deck, but it looked like I was going to be able to bring the opponent to lethal with just 1 more turn of pushing. They had W open, so i thought they were holding Path, so I swung in with a bunch of dudes, instead they pulled a Swift Justice and gained 10 life from it.

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>>46503040
>>46503126
Not as good as Bolt against creatureless decks, obviously, but it gets around 4+ toughness, indestructibility, and hexproof/shroud.

>>46503173
it's overrated and wouldn't see much play in modern, the downsides are just to big just to save 1 mana or 4 life

>>46503155
Fair enough
Affinity is definitely not as braindead as people say

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>>46503040
Card is underrated desu

>>46503189
I'd play it in Esper. Helps the Infect and Bogles MUs a lot out of the sideboard.

>>46503212
Card is terrible. What are you smoking?

>>46503212
>Lose three life
Not as good.

>>46503173
>>46503189
>>46503220

should have added:

Being an edict is not an advantage unless bogles suddently becomes the deck to beat it's a actually a big downside most of the time.

That combined with sorcery speed and the fact that you would often run into problems with your snapcaster etc,, makes it mediocre.

>>46503212
why play this when dismember exists

>>46503255
>why lose 4 life instead of 3
Heh..pleb..

>>46503238
It's still much better removal in a control deck than anything else black has at CMC1.

>>46503279
Just gonna call you a troll now and get it over with

>>46503279
you wanted flexibility? Dismember kills more things, and can be cast for 1B and 2 life, or 1BB. Ulcerate only has 1 mode.

>>46503255
Why not vendetta instead?

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What about good decks like this one? I think this could potentially be top tiered in modern.

Just bought playsets of Gloom and Massacre. All my kitchen table group play is aggro white weenie shit. Am I a bad person?

>>46503497
Well memed

>>46503497
Lol you again.

Why don't you just test in on xmage and you can see for yourself why it's awful

>>46503575
You're a bad person for just jumping in any magic thread and posting this. Do you go in threads about table top warhammer and go on about your sick setup in dawn of war?

>>46503575
If you're playing kitchen table shit and you're playing cards that directly fuck with your friends decis, then what's stopping them from just making different decks? It's like when I first started playing with a buddy, I played control and he played stompy, then he made his deck so all his shit was uncounterable, then I just started playing burn, it's a vicious cycle

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>tfw there will never be a good deck with pic related or rhox war monk

its a shame that every card needs to carry so much value to be played in modern

>>46503806
>it's a shame cards need to be good to be played

I think you want casual then desu

>>46503806
Tbh senpai I ran rhox with loxodon smiter in the sideboard in my Bantz deck, felt better vs aggro, and smiter comes in when relevant.

>>46503806
Hes playable in Naya Zoo

>>46502711
To be fair he didn't say "why are all modern legal cascade cards bad" he said "why are all cascade spells except Bloodbraidelf bad." Bloodbraidelf is banned anyways so yeah, what is modern.

>>46502679
Nice bait, also
>wanting to play anything but Shardless BUG

>>46504094
>he doesn't play ANT

>>46504126
Sorry but I dont find playing Storm interesting in the slightest

>>46504075
You know normally I'd be tempted to argue the point just for the sake of arguing, but yeah. Fair play.

>>46504190
But don't you like turn one wins?

Im considering moving back from burn to storm with sword getting unbanned, at least until the format settles

Can anyone playing the deck give me an idea how its positioned? I know burn buttfucks it because of eidolon (its why i switched in the first place) but has twin leaving improved its overall position?

>>46496764
When an expensive card stops seeing wide play for an extended period of time yet their price remains high because "X is supposed to be an expensive card, that's how it has always been".

>>46504337
I was playtesting it against Burn last night. Lost a ton but interestingly enough when i did win it was always turn 3 and I could imagine that with very few counterspells in the meta itd be hard to stop it from going off if youre playing against another aggro deck with little to no interaction.

>>46504337
Even if Eidolon never hits the table it still buttfucks it. You always want to pay life for Git Probe. You have no way to kill their creatures and you are in the colors with no lifegain with a very painful mana base.

>>46503463
This is a fair question. I like vendetta all in all

>>46504593
i not talking about storm vs burn, im talking about storm vs the general meta

>tfw my meta is almost entirely zoo and burn
>tfw play tooth and nail

The salt is real when I'm chaining Primal commands gain 7 life and tutoring e.wit to recur it

>>46504625
I run it sideboard in deaths shadow combo.

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>>46504635
I would say its ok. People dont have any sideboard hate for it because they dont expect it. The worst hate ive seen is Eidolon of Rhetoric, which is actually unbeatable, and ive only seen it in Abzan Company. Its a decent combo deck that can win turn 3. With no counters in this meta you shouldnt have too much issue going off. Just watch out for UW decks, BGx and Burn.

>>46497426
Reminder that chronicles had nothing of value reprinted in it except blood moon, and it was only like $10 then and not played
collectors just lost their shit because of implications like the fags they are

>>46501845
which program is that anon?

>>46505172
That's mtgo anon.

MTGO vs Cockatrice vs Xmage vs MWS vs GCCC?

>>46505315
Just play paper magic, family.

>>46505315
i'd like to know this too
>>46505348
not that anon, but i do
but i was looking for something else for free so i can try new decks and play all kinds of stuff without spending millions

>>46505315
Xmage because it's free and shitters can't fuck around like on cockatrice

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>>46505405
is there a reason why my friend's xmage downloaded all the card art in 2 hours and i can't get past a third of it in a day and then it crashes at some point

>>46505448
There are always a hundred or so that don't download but it sounds like you need to reinstall

>>46499706
I'd link my list but I'm at work and don't get home until 12, if thread is still active then I will link it
I love this deck though, you have a chance to just go off

>>46504337
No.

>>46499776
Someone played Hidetsugu's Second Rite at my lgs late night lol

>>46505315
I have not used the ghetto clients but MTGO is pretty good. The client itself sucks but you can get a game any time and there's tons of drafts/events and shit that you don't even get in paper magic. Pretty legit imo, sucks having to pay for virtual cards though. Basically everything that isnt a staple is cheap af and the staples are usually around the same price as paper or cheaper.

Made any big purchases lately?

I've got my Lilis coming in the mail tomorrow and it feels pretty good

>>46497290
Because then every person who owns a collection and every store with an inventory would be getting the shaft for the benefit of whiny 14 year olds who don't buy products.

>b-b-but I don't care about my collections value or my store, I just want to play.

Of course you don't, your collection is worthless and you never buy things from your store anyway because you're a useless poorfag. You're the type of person who shows up every week and never buys anything but a few pauper decks you agonize over, and then act like you "don't owe my store anything."

YOU are the cancer in the mtg community, not "speculators"

>muh speculators, muh prices, muh SCG "manipulation"

Speculation has never been able to meaningfully have an effect on the market price of anything, the only thing it can do is push the card towards the market demanded price, while the speculator takes the risk that the good is underpriced.

Even if SCG/CFB had monopoles (they don't, not even close), a monopolist can only control price or quantity, not both, and revenue maximization is always demand-side.

>>46505448
Your connection is shit
Otherwise choose a different source for the images

>>46505724
I just bought a new car

>>46505763
Nice, what kind. I got mine a few months back too

>>46505752
>Oy vey, if you don't buy zis cardboard you're a bad person goy.

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>>46499706
Here is my version. Suggestions welcome.

>No Jace
I don't have room for Elixir and I kind of don't want Elixir in my deck.

>No walk the aeons
I have 4 PTW and I don't want to use the buyback cost since I need so many basic Islands to awaken.

>No Thassa
Not sure what to replace. But I haven't had TOO much trouble with just PTW as wincon.
Still working on sideboard..

>>46505776
Chevy 3500 dump

>>46505838
That's dank

>>46505724
But anon, Lili has no deck to go in

>>46505752
How is it possible to be so wrong?
Casuals do buy products. Speculators buy singles and profit off the secondary market. The money spent in the secondary market could have been spent buying more Wizards products, so speculators are a net loss to them and to the community in general. Fuck you and your kind.

>Speculation has never been able to meaningfully have an effect on the market price of anything
That's wrong and the very subject of the previous discussion, i.e. why shit cards were still expensive despite never seeing play.

>oy vey, muh stores, muh collections
It's not a fucking stock market. Stores will still sell Wizards products for people to play with. Collectors are, well, collectors. They buy things to keep them. If you buy things for the purpose of selling them afterwards, you're not a collector, you're a speculator. Admit that you only do it for profit and leeching off nerds and move on.

>>46505932
which is when you wanna buy cards before the newest dank deck to spike prices

>>46505687
do you play at fng? if so, that was me

>>46505932
Lili is the best walker next to jtms and yesterday is always the best day to buy good cards

>>46505822
I'm still wondering if AV is actually good in this deck.

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Would a card like this help to make control viable in modern again?

>>46505822
Why not just time vault and voltaic key?

>>46505932
>implying
grixis midrange with liliana, jace, av is gonna be the new best fair deck

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>>46497462
>mfw Americucks will never, ever, EVER have such good deals on singles
>mfw they will always be stuck with overpriced crap from JewShittyGames

So I've been trying to jankbrew a Quirion Dryad deck. Other than dryad what other creatures could see a home in it? I've been thinking going temur for Young Peezy and TitI

>>46506095
Opinion discarded
AV is trash

>>46505448
Are you trying to download from magiccards.info? Apparently a couple months ago, magiccards.info changed how it receives image download requests and that has been causing issues with Xmage. The other sources should be fine. Alternatively, your connection could just be bad.

>>46505964
>Casuals do buy products
I didnt say anything about casuals, I was talking about angry poorfags who want everything to be cheap and worthless. Casuals have entire lines of product targeted at them.

>Speculators buy singles and support the cash flow of their local store and community

> The money spent in the secondary market could have been spent buying more Wizards products, so speculators are a net loss to them and to the community in general

If it wasn't for speculators, significantly less "Wizards product" in general would be purchased, since casuals have agnostic demand for cards.

You also seem to think that casuals are the ones keeping stores stocked with a variety of singles, when the average casual doesn't understand the idea that stores will buy cards. "Speculators" are the reason you're even able to buy singles at all.

>why shit cards were still expensive despite never seeing play.

How much a card sees play has nothing to do with it's price. A goods market value is the optimum willingness to pay on the demand side. If you want to overprice things and sell extremely few, you're welcome to, but you'll lose money in the long run.

If absolutely baffles me that people believe that consumers will buy things at a price higher than they demand.

>you're not a collector, you're a speculator

No, Im a player, I play Jund, and have sunk around $1500 into it. Given that I know that my card values are relatively safe, I have no pressing need to liquidate the cards until I want to.

If you gave me, and the 20 other Modern players at my store (and the store itself) the option to completely wipe out the value of our cards (and nuke the shop's inventory), for the benefit of having a handful of whiny poorfags joining us, there isn't a single sane person who would take that offer.

You can admit you're poor and can't afford Modern, you don't have to blame the jews for your inadequacies.

>>46506095
>av in grixis
oh man I'd love to have a very low tempo card i can't even snapcast

>>46506114

I don't think Ive ever bought a card from SCG, over here in the states we have something called TCGPlayer, which is like MKM except some illiterate Rusky or Pole living in a tent can't send you Chinaman cards.

>>46506114

Wow, you mean a poorer market with significantly less demand for luxury goods has lower prices?? I never would have guessed.

>>46506223
>>46506273
I said midrange, you wouldn't play snapcaster or counterspells in that deck

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Been testing this deck and it seems to be legitimately strong. Only things I changed from this list is swapping all is dust with conduits and replacing dragon claw with relics. Anyone else been testing new tron variants since the eye of ugin ban, including this one?

>>46506324
>pieces of cardboard are luxury goods
>double question mark
I think you should end yourself now, anon.

>>46506265
I play Legacy you fucking idiot. What I'm lamenting is that too few people can actually play with me because nerds like you who think magic cards are an investment or something get butthurt when new people access their sekrit klub or something. Did I pay full price for my Force playset? Absolutely. Would I be mad if it got reprinted and lost value? Hell no, because the pleasure I'd derive from finding new people to play with would be worth way more than the potential "value" lost in the playset. Again, magic cards are part of a game. They're supposed to be played with. You're supposed to derive entertainment from them, not profit. Would you expect a basketball player to demand that their basketball be refunded to them when they stop playing or something, and be butthurt because they didn't get it refunded the same price they bought it for? Go buy some stock options if you want to play with your money.

On a personal note, stop resorting to ridiculous personal attacks that make you look like an idiot. Are you seriously saying "haha you're poor i'm rich"? Not only you'd be wrong, but what kind of asshole actually says that?

>>46506356

You seem to be implying that collectable cardboard pieces aren't essentially the definition of a luxury good.

>>46506351
Here's my current list
2 Spellskite
2 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
3 Wurmcoil Engine
4 Karn Liberated
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Chromatic Star
4 Expedition Map
3 Oblivion Stone
4 Pyroclasm
4 Sylvan Scrying
1 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
4 Urza's Mine
4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower
1 Academy Ruins
1 Breeding Pool
1 Mindslaver
1 Mountain
1 Thought-Knot Seer
SB: 4 Nature's Claim
SB: 2 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Life from the Loam
SB: 2 Feed the Clan
SB: 2 Warping Wail
SB: 4 Melira, Sylvok Outcast

Mindslaver lock with Ruins and Pool is basically a form inevitability and gives your land tutors some use in late game but it's also a good surrise card vs a lot of the field, Scapeshift (cast it, fail to find anything), Burn (burn dudes and own face), Affinity (sac everything to Ravager, fizzle modular), anything that can fuck their own shit up. Recurring Wurmcoil and O-Stone (or map for Ghost Quarter for manlands) also works. Without pyroclasm you're essentially gving any Burn and Infect player a bye, Spellskite is the most played and therefore the worst answer to Infect (works in g1 somewhat because no Nature's Claims and Twisted Image) , no one runs Dismember (or at least more than 1 or 2) for Melira especially now that Eldrazi are banned.

>>46506429
Haha you're poor I'm rich

>>46506356
That would be you. Would you say pieces of cardboard are necessary goods?????????????

>>46506273

You mean in Grixis midrange, the deck that gets hard fucked by running out of gas on the grind? I can't imagine why that deck would want the cleanest and most efficient gas in the format...

>>46506306
TCG is waaay overpriced when compared to MKM though.

>except some illiterate Rusky or Pole living in a tent can't send you Chinaman cards
You only ever order from your home country or neighbouring countries.

>>46506324
When you live in Western Europe that's the best of both worlds. You enjoy having a better life than in the US while still ordering dirt cheap cards from Portugal or something.

>>46506455
>I play Legacy
I know reading is hard for a Memedern babby, but try to pick up.

>>46505822
>sb

spell pierces and dispels
Torpor orbs, pithing needle(s)
spreading seas
hurkyls recalls
Rapid hybridization
relic of progenitus

>>46506265
>I invested a ridiculous amount of money on cardboard, if others don't do it i don't want to play with them life is son unfair!!!!

You are the cancer. if you are willing to pay 400 dollars for a play of liliana of the veil, well you are the idiot. At least i got my lilianas for like 12 the playset. thanks, based chinamen

>>46506516
I play paper vintage w/ NM grade alpha edition power 9

Yuor move

>>46506599
On the internet no one knows you're a dog

>>46506599
well meme'd

>>46506429
>Hell no

Yes, you would, at least you would when you went to sell them.

>Would you expect a basketball player to demand that their basketball be refunded to them when they stop playing or something

A better analogy would be: would NBA players still play in the NBA "for the love of the game" if their multi-mullion dollar contracts were revoked and replaced with teacher salaries? Fuck no they wouldn't.

The market has set those salaries the same way the market sets values of Magic cards or any other luxury good. When you intentionally tank them for no reason, actors in that market lose universally at the expense of some new life that nobody asked for.

>ridiculous personal attacks that make you look like an idiot

You are literally calling me a parasite and insinuating that me, every player I know, every player in the format, and every store that has an inventory should light their $2000+ collections on fire in the name of getting some angry poor shitters into our store at a lower price point. And insisting that you wouldn't care if Wizards tanked your collection.

If that isn't a ridiculous personal attack that makes you look like an idiot I don't know what is.

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>>46506640
You payed 2000 for your deck, why whould wizards respect that? they don't put the price tag on the secondary market, nor they made you pay that money to star of david games. so if they decide to reprint until your deck worths nothing it should be fine. people like those reprints, memedern masters sells show that, even they are going to do eternal masters, but for Assholes like you they have to do a limited print run, You can be as autistic as fuck and play with your only 5 friends in your super sikrit club of rich magic players, but there are lot of people who wants to play older formats and the problem has to be addressed by wizards. and they are doing it wrong.

>>46506640
Your analogy is bullshit because Magic cards are not contracts. There is no warranty on the value of cards. That's because cards aren't stock options, they're cards. Wizards doesn't sell you cards for you to sell for more, they sell you cards for you to play with. Expecting cards to retain value is being entitled. Buying cards for the purpose of selling them for a profit makes you a parasite, that's all there is to it. Money that could have gone into Wizards' employees or stayed in consumers' pockets is now in some smartass nerd's who thinks MtG is a stock market. Because of leeches like you, casuals forever stay off niche formats because they can't afford them, and people like me don't have anyone to play with. Perhaps you enjoy being part of an elite super sekrit rich nerd club, but what I actually enjoy is playing Magic: the Gathering.

Your activity is parasitic, your kind is a cancer to the community that prevents the playerbase from properly growing and Wizards is under no obligation not to fuck you over for playing money games off their back. Good for them that they keep reprinting stuff in supplemental sets and products - more people to play with for me, less snobby shitters like you to bear.

>>46506599
Does anyone here even know what 93/94 is?

>>46506886
Yeah, it's played quite often where I live (Paris). For nostalgiafags who want to reminisce the old times.

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>>46506814
Dude... it's a CCG. Collectibility is an intrinsic part of their product that appeals to a segment of their market.

>>46506916
Nice. There's not even legacy for hundreds of miles where I live, let alone any kind of vintage.

Do your LGS carry modern staples or is it a struggle to complete decks?

>>46506974
Yu gi oh is also a tcg, haven't you seen their reprint style? is what magic needs

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So, is monetary mentor going to be playable with sword and visions unbanned?

>>46507001
I don't have an lgs.
We play at a youth centre and prizes and draft packs are brought in by a news stand.

It's shitty but at least we get to play sanctioned events.

So I order entirely online

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>>46507001
My LGS doesn't have shit for staples and I have no struggle to complete decks.

>>46506974
It's a game first, a collection second. Playability always goes before collectibility.

>>46503497

Good luck casting Hive Mind.

Its like garbage Amulet Bloom.

>>46507010
Anyone who prefers yugiohs print philosophy should probably go play that game.

Reminds me of communists who bitch about the US. Why not just move to Cuba?

>>46507063
True, but the OP made it sound like he wanted to chuck collectability altogether.

>>46507017
no, Monastery Mentor will never be viable without good protection and cantrips

>>46507071

>anyone who prefers yugioh print philosophy should probably go play that game.

oh fuck off.

>>46507101
You can still collect cards, just don't be entitled to any monetary value. You didn't plan on selling them anyway since you're a collector, right?

>>46507071
Because I don't give a shit about YGO, the game I care for is MtG. Incidentally, your moronic comparison about countries says a lot about the US' mentality and its shit institutions.

>>46507071
This is the people who votes for trump
Thanks god he's gonna loose

>>46507201
>Make Memedern great again

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>>46507158
>Incidentally, your moronic comparison about countries says a lot about the US' mentality and its shit institutions.
Why?

Why bitch about how X sucks compared to Y and keep using X? Why not just use Y if you're so assblasted about X?

>>46507201
well meme'd berncuck

>>46507232
Because you are presenting us with a false dilemma, which is often what moronic Americunts do when people call out the shit their institutions like their army/MAFIAA/NSA/etc. pull

>>46507201
Nope. I'm voting for Gary Johnson, so suck it.

>>46506770
>why whould wizards respect that

Because if Wizards want to sell out the reprints rather than piss off it's consumer base, they want to acknowledge it

>money to star of david games

Ive never bought a single card from CFB or SCG

>people like those reprints, memedern masters sells show that

Modern Masters was cleaned out of stock by speculators and stores looking to turn over a positive EV on cracking the packs and selling the singles.

"The players" you're referring to actually bitched and moaned about MM and MM2 not having enough reprints, and being priced too high. The "reprint everything go Chronicles" idiots don't buy MM, and they aren't going to buy EM, but they're going to scream on the internet about what shit sets they are while "speculators" and stores are busy ripping through packs like a vacuum.

>but there are lot of people who wants to play older formats

No, there are "a lot of people" that want to play Standard, and "a lot of people" who are invested in older formats. Dicking over established players for the purpose of pushing new players to the older formats is a really great way to fuck those formats up.

Theres already a "Wizards sanctioned babby poorfag format," and Wizards prints almost exclusively for it.

>>46507293
>Because you are presenting us with a false dilemma
I can see false analogy... but how is it a false dilemma?

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>Ancestral Vision is supposedly bad
>not playing grixis midrange
>discard unwanted AVs to Jace and Liliana
>flash them back later on with Goblin dark

>>46506814
>There is no warranty on the value of cards

Nor is there warranty value on a salary, just a market value, same with cards.

>Expecting cards to retain value is being entitled

No, it means I understand what market value is

> Buying cards for the purpose of selling them for a profit makes you a parasite

No, it means I believe the card is underpriced. Besides, buying cards and wanting to sell them doesn't mean I don't play with them too.

>Money that could have gone into Wizards' employees or stayed in consumers' pockets is now in some smarts nerd's

That isn't how consumer preference and expenditure works.

>people like me don't have anyone to play with

30 people turned up for Modern last week at my store, 20 for Legacy, and I don't even live in a big city.

> Your activity is parasitic, your kind is a cancer to the community that prevents the playerbase from properly growing

No, poor people who don't buy things, and then expect prices to be lower just for them, are the parasites.

>>46507327
>Ive never bought a single card from CFB or SCG
I bought one card from SCG because I couldn't find it (in English) anywhere else for a decent price. Shit's worth more than three times what I paid for it now.

Eldrazi fucked up mtg gold fishes list of most played cards, where can I find a list of playable black 2 drops?

>>46507418
dark confidant

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>>46496572
Rate my memebrew please and thank you. I don't know what the sideboard should have

>>46507418
Bob is pretty much all there is
Smallpox maybe

>>46507354
>Nor is there warranty value on a salary, just a market value, same with cards.
That's because you live in a third world country. Here we have this thing called "minimum wage".

>No, it means I understand what market value is
What you call "market value" is completely subject to the whims of Wizards. You shouldn't whine and complain when your precious cards get reprinted to oblivion to flood the market with.

>No, it means I believe the card is underpriced. Besides, buying cards and wanting to sell them doesn't mean I don't play with them too.
Estimating the price of a card is being entitled. Of course you are perfectly right to act like this from a rational economic agent's point of view, except that Magic is a fucking game, not a market. Cards are supposed to provide entertainment value, not monetary value. You are defacing the game's purpose for your own profit and because of your overpricing, potential new players get driven away. Just admit that you don't give a fuck about the community and only want money, it'll be easier for everyone.

>That isn't how consumer preference and expenditure works.
Because of the secondary market's importance, some consumers don't buy Wizards product and focus on singles. Wizards makes money by selling packs. If packs are shunned for singles, Wizards makes a net loss. It's not that hard to understand.

>30 people turned up for Modern last week at my store, 20 for Legacy, and I don't even live in a big city.
Good for you. Meanwhile, other people still have to drive over 100 miles to play Legacy with 8 people. Again, admit you don't give a fuck about these people and only care about yourself - embrace your own cancerous self.

>No, poor people who don't buy things, and then expect prices to be lower just for them, are the parasites.
They are not parasites by definition you fucking idiot, since they don't buy things. They are neutral to Wizards, unlike you.

>>46496591
>Bitterblossom
Because I want to play Faeries, and god forbid that happens

>>46507596
They will always be bad. You've gotta give it up dude

>>46507648
>Faeries is forever going to be bad
>Bitterblossom is forever going to be expensive
Thank you Memedern """"players""""

>>46507685
What are you trying to say?
I call SCG and the like every day to remind them not to drop BB price because I pretend to play modern?

Jesus christ this shitposting is bad, even for shitposting standards

>>46507559
>That's because you live in a third world country. Here we have this thing called "minimum wage".
Yeah sure, minimum wage matters when discussing things like salaries. Troll harder

>What you call "market value" is completely subject to the whims of Wizards
No, it's subject to what the market is willing to pay. If Wizards is going to reprint recklessly, the product will be "scalped," if they want to go nuclear, they're just going to push players away ala Yu-Gi-Oh because nobody will be willing to invest any cash. Its toxic for the health of the game overall

>Magic is a fucking game, not a market
TIL single sales don't exist.

>Just admit that you don't give a fuck about the community and only want money, it'll be easier for everyone.
You're forgetting that "the community" is the group that owns thousands in singles. The poorfags that don't buy cards and bitch about prices aren't a part of the community.

>Wizards makes money by selling packs. If packs are shunned for singles, Wizards makes a net loss. It's not that hard to understand.
You're right, MM and MM2 barely sold, and were considered to be huge failures.

Oh wait no they both sold out in a frenzy and were frequently backordered, and the people calling it a failure and refusing to buy it were the poorfags who scream about reprints.

>Meanwhile, other people still have to drive over 100 miles to play Legacy with 8 people
Clearly if cards were cheaper and less people were playing, players in rural backwoods areas would have an easier time getting events together. Nothing brings in players investing in cards better than saying "Remember, Wizards can and will make this whole investment worthless on a whim."

>They are not parasites by definition you fucking idiot, since they don't buy things
A person who doesn't contribute to a community but demands benefit from it is the definition of a parasite.

>>46507509
>>46507469
You two don't seem very good at this game.

>>46507883
Could to two stop?
You're both retards

>>46507949
Why? Because your jank 2 drop wasn't mentioned?

I guess abrupt decay but that's not what you asked for

>>46507063
most of you probably wouldn't even know what magic was if starcity hadn't been able to squeeze every last drop of value out of the singles market and put a significant portion of that money into growing the MTG brand as a competitive sport with widespread high stakes tournament support on a weekly basis.

>>46507883
>Yeah sure, minimum wage matters when discussing things like salaries. Troll harder
You implied that there was no such thing as warranty value, which is wrong. Magic cards aren't salaries anyway.

>if they want to go nuclear, they're just going to push players away ala Yu-Gi-Oh because nobody will be willing to invest any cash
You're aware that YGO is bigger than Magic right now, right?

>TIL single sales don't exist.
TIL Magic's purpose is to invest one's money in things.

>You're forgetting that "the community" is the group that owns thousands in singles. The poorfags that don't buy cards and bitch about prices aren't a part of the community.
No, the community is any kind of consumer. People who buy packs at supermarkets are part of the community.

>Oh wait no they both sold out in a frenzy and were frequently backordered, and the people calling it a failure and refusing to buy it were the poorfags who scream about reprints.
Because faggots like you gamed the system for more cash, thereby completely nullifying the purpose of the set to begin with. Good job, retards.

>Clearly if cards were cheaper and less people were playing, players in rural backwoods areas would have an easier time getting events together. Nothing brings in players investing in cards better than saying "Remember, Wizards can and will make this whole investment worthless on a whim."
Of course, rural peasants are motivated enough to play Memedern but not Legacy for some reason, nothing to do with the format's accessibility.

>A person who doesn't contribute to a community but demands benefit from it is the definition of a parasite.
The very concept of parasitism implies leeching off something or someone else. Poor people aren't consumers, they don't leech. From Wizards's point of view, they don't exist. If they buy packs, they are the opposite of parasites. Speculators on the other hand don't buy Wizards product and make money from the consumer base. They are Wizards' parasites.

>>46508106
No one cares about SCG where I live. Casuals don't care about the e-sport aspect of Magic anyway.

>>46508029
For starters, Bloodghast and Victim of Night

Further, I should have specified I meant 2 drop creatures that I can cast in a primarily black deck. I'm currently splashing a light Junk (don't say tarmogoyf)

>>46497028
how many copies of foundry are you playing?

Why do speculators try to rationalize what they're doing? We get it, you make money from other people's hobbies. That's it, there's nothing to justify. We live in a society that completely condones and encourages this kind of behaviour. Don't pretend you're doing the community any good though. It's like piratefags who rationalize the harm they do to the industries with "muh free culture" when they are really doing it for the convenience and money saving

What's with the price of Legion Loyalist lately, what are they used it these days?

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>>46508141
>Speculators on the other hand don't buy Wizards product and make money from the consumer base. They are Wizards' parasites.

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Friendly reminder that crackstyle guy did nothing wrong

>>46508141
>Because faggots like you gamed the system for more cash
>Speculators on the other hand don't buy Wizards product
Ok you're just trolling now.

>People who buy packs at supermarkets are part of the community.
Its like you didnt read the comment you were replying to at all
>The poorfags that don't buy cards

>You're aware that YGO is bigger than Magic right now, right?
GR8B8M8

>They are Wizards' parasites
Ah yes, pricing cards correctly, fueling a thriving secondary market, fueling a brand identity, directly incentivizing card availability, and selling out supplementary products and reprints. So parasitic. Its so parasitic to do exactly what a collectible manufacturer would want a community to do.

But yeah those guys that don't buy product and high octane bitch and moan about not having a snapcaster in every pack, those guys are the real diehard Wizards fans.

>>46508402
>Pirates
>Leech value from prior investment and devalue existing goods

>Speculators
>Arbitrage mispriced goods and directly ensure ample card availability.

Remind me how the two are comparable again? And that the group that is directly responsible for there being a singles market doesn't help the community?

>>46508751
>Arbitrage mispriced goods and directly ensure ample card availability.
Oh shit... actual economics on /tg/. Dis gun be good.

>>46508467

8whack goblins. Will probably spike even more because his battalion gets through thopter tokens

>>46508634
I heard they unbanned him recently.

>>46508402

Nevermind the fact that the biggest "speculators" you know are the local store that you play at, and the sellers on TCG/MKM that you just bought cards from.

But yeah fuck those guys, they do NOTHING for me but fuck everything up.

>>46508695
YGO is bigger than MtG m8. There's more to the world than the US.

>Ah yes, pricing cards correctly
Wrong. See Bitterblossom etc. Price memory is retarded and has nothing to do with actual in game value.
>fueling a thriving secondary market
Which Wizards doesn't profit from
>directly incentivizing card availability
There's no need to be an incentive when Wizards is responsible for availability.
>selling out supplementary products and reprints
That's called gaming the system and you know it. Wizards doesn't print supplementary products so that speculators can make money off it.
>Its so parasitic to do exactly what a collectible manufacturer would want a community to do.
You are a cancer that prevents Magic from growing. The Reserved List is biting them in the ass and they know it. Their printing of supplemental sets shows that they don't want a secondary market dictating the value of the cards they make.

>>46508751
>Arbitrage mispriced goods and directly ensure ample card availability.
Holy shit you are dense right?
Magic cards are NOT supposed to be monetary goods. They are supposed to be cards. Your interference with the flow of these cards is directly harmful to the community because you are making money off people's entertainment. You have no business setting the price of cards unless you want to take money from the playerbase's pocket, which is called parasitism. Holy shit, you are free to do what you want with your time but don't act like it's beneficial for anyone but you.

>>46508634
He's an advocate on a real issue tho. People should learn to buy proper pants and belt.

>>46508865
Ensuring card availability doesn't give the right to gain unjust profit off consuers' pockets. Well of course they are in their right, but it's not sane for the community. The same LGSes sell YGO cards just fine the same way. Fortunately MKM has intense competition from poorer European countries which drives speculators down.

>>46508888
>YGO is bigger than MtG m8
do you just make this shit up?

>>46508890
Or at least pull their fucking pants up before they sit. A lot of them are wearing a proper pair of pants and a belt but are too lazy to not display their huge asscracks. The whole thing gives the hobby a bad name.

One that it does deserve though, because holy shit you see a lot of people exactly like this at any FNM or tournament.

>>46508961
Yu-Gi-Oh is much bigger than Magic in Asian countries. Again, the US isn't the only country in the world.

>>46506013
Sorry man no I don't but it was played at mine shop too it was funny

>>46508888
>Price memory is retarded and has nothing to do with actual in game value
"Price memory" has nothing to do with anything. You're confusing "playability" with "demand." Thyere often related, but not synonymous. If people demand and are willing to pay for Bitterblossom at $25 or whatever it is now, the card will sell. If not, it won't, and the price will fall. I don't understand why that's confusing.

>There's no need to be an incentive when Wizards is responsible for availability.
If you want to turn the game into YGO where you have to crack boxes to try and get the cards you need to build a deck, have fun with that, literally nobody else wants that.

>Wizards doesn't print supplementary products so that speculators can make money off it
Wizard's intentions of printing a product has literally zero bearing on who makes what or who does what.

>You are a cancer that prevents Magic from growing
YGO is going so stronk. Especially among 14 year olds that love opening boosters and burned out grinders.

>Their printing of supplemental sets shows that they don't want a secondary market dictating the value of the cards they make.
Except for the part where the secondary market actively dictates the direction they take supplementary products. Or do you really believe the mythics in MM were chosen for their "limited power level?"

>Magic cards are NOT supposed to be monetary goods
All luxury products with collectibility are market goods. The laws of demand driven markets don't change just because theres a game involved.

>You have no business setting the price of cards

The only people that set the price of cards are the community and the market. "Speculators" and sellers don't have any real influence in this, even with a theoretical monopoly. I don't understand why it's so hard to wrap your head around basic economic concepts.

>>46508952
>unjust profit
How can anyone make "unjust profit" off of properly priced cards?

>LGSes sell YGO cards just fine
No they don't.

>MKM has intense competition
MKM consumers have a lower WTP, and thus prices have to be lower. Holy shit using MKM as an example literally proves my point.

>>46509012
Every so called nation is really just a protectorate of the petrodollar anon.

>>46505752
Fucking this. If wizards printed everything a dozen times like they do in Yugioh, the kids would still whine about how tarmogoyf isn't in the new intro deck. I can see it now...

>"10 dollars for goyf? But I need like FOUR of them. This game sucks, I'm gonna spend my allowance on hearthstone. Suck it wizards!

Meanwhile all of the competitive players would get shafted every time a new good card is released with a price tag. Nobody would want to buy singles because they know its gonna get another printing later and the value's gonna tank. The frequent reprintings are one of the main reasons why yugioh will never be a competitive card game with third party support.

>>46497564

>EFro getting the ugliest AZN chick I've seen in a while. She's Hmong bad.

>>46509235
>propely priced
This makes no sense at all because Magic cards are not, as I said, monetary goods. Should not be, in any case. Treating them as if they were is harming the community for your own benefit.

>No they don't.
They do. YGO is bigger than MtG, deal with it.

>MKM consumers have a lower WTP, and thus prices have to be lower. Holy shit using MKM as an example literally proves my point.
What I meant was that MKM is a lesser evil.

>>46509328
This is why Konami is completely bankrupt whereas Wizards hasn't been losing any sales at all in the last quarters.

>people actually think Magic isn't magnitudes smaller than Yu-gi-oh

>>46508961
>>46509012
The only reason YGO has more players than MtG does is because the Japs do nothing but suck YGO's cock all day.

>>46509328
>Meanwhile all of the competitive players would get shafted every time a new good card is released with a price tag

The "Reprint everything all the time fuck the sellers" crowd doesn't understand that without a stable secondary market, they'd still be paying $100+ per card for demanded cards, but with the condition that they get a dick in their ass for doing so when the next set comes out.

Heres a kewl economics tip: When theres nobody that wants to sell a card, and that card is heavily in demand, that cards gets really fucking expensive due to a risk premium on a vendor holding it, and a lack of supply on the market.

You'll still be paying $150 for Goyfs, because there won't be any of them available, and you'll be buying your very own Sword of Damocles on your investment to go with it.

>>46509342
>This makes no sense at all because Magic cards are not, as I said, monetary goods

Every luxury good is a market good. You refusing to acknowledge this doesn't mean the school of economics and the laws of Adam Smith are suddenly invalid.

>>46509431
>moving goalposts
How dare the Japs be irrational economic agents and not treat Yu-gi-oh as a stock market to invest cards in. They surely aren't proper Americans (tm).

>>46509484
Did you miss the "should not be" part? I know they are, what I'm arguing is that people profiting from that are unethical and gaming the system at the community's expense.

>>46509332
Efro isnt exactly the best looking dude around though, that chicks a 10/10 next to him

>>46509431
...yeah, so? you're not disproving him.

>>46509542

I dont understand how they could be anything other than a market good. What system of distribution should we have for cards? A communist-style lottery where booster arrangements are distributed to players, and trading is illegal?

Theres going to be market based demand regardless of distribution numbers.

>>46509611
In an ideal world where everyone would be a responsible individual not driven solely by profit, it should be possible. However, thanks to people like you, it can only be done by countering artificial scarcity like Konami does.

>>46509450
If they keep reprinting value cards in supplemental sets, vendors won't be able to hold the products forever. Or am I missing something?

>>46507484
>rate Gerard fabiano's memebrew

ftfy

>>46509668
Konami's printing policies are fucked up and you know it.

>Omg guys we have to sell a set what do we do?
>Um, lets print some broken cards that support some bullshit archetypes that no one cares about.
>Great! Now they'll HAVE to buy the new set to stay competitive! Then we can reprint it a few times until the value tanks and we can rake in all the profit!
>What should we do now that we finished selling these broken cards?
>Ban them dummy!

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What colours are viable for a Ingest/Processor deck in modern?
Grixis?

>>46509773
Konami's power creep is real. Nothing to do with their reprint policy though. They also have only like Vintage and Legacy.

>>46509700

Lets say that theres a new 1 per box mythic rare that ends up seeing play. Like Goyf or something. And you need 4 of them to build a deck that uses it. Players have an option of buying 4 boxes to have a "good chance" of getting a set, or buy it as a single. (Remember the whole, buy singles not packs doctrine literally every experienced player holds.)

Now apply this broadly, and assume the EV of a pack has to be negative, otherwise the product will sell out and be "scalped." You now have a huge community of players knocking on your door, looking for singles of this card(s).

You want to carry singles of this card(s) via trading or cracking, because the demand for the card(s) is high and the price is high. This is how the current market works, the price of the card will meet the demand, and the secondary market will stabilize around the market price, lets say $50 for an example.

Now imagine that some time down the line, that card 100% will be a box topper in a $10 unlimited promo set. At some point, you're not sure when, the value of the card will tank and you'll lose $40 on every single copy of it you hold. You aren't going to want to hold very many of them.

But wait, theres still demand for it, players still demand it without paying $600 for the boosters to get it. So in order to carry the card, you charge a premium based on the risk that the card will be worthless in your hands. This is called a risk premium, and both lowers the trade in value (don't want to hold) and increases the sell price (must have incentive to carry the card).

The result is that sellers have a more difficult time carrying and selling cards, and sell and carry significantly fewer of them (higher price=lower quantity, plus the risk factor). And charge higher prices and put out lower trade values overall.

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Post YFW you're actually glad to be playing Magic (especially Modern) right now.

>Konami recently double fucked Yugioh players (more than usual)
>Vanguard is about to get a rule change that will kill the game
>Buddyfight died to Force of Will
>Force of Will will never take off
>Pokemon is in a two deck format
>MLP just got a rule change that effectively killed it
>Meanwhile, we're about to enter one of the greatest formats of all time

Sucks to suck for other CCGs.

>>46509937
How come this didn't happen to a lot of cards that were printed in supplemental products? Like Elspeth or Geist for instance.

>>46509937
Wait, why would anyone buy a single when they could buy the $10 promo set? Because they'll refuse to carry it?

>>46509993
Too bad HEX is what MTG wishes it could be and never will

new thread

>>46510295

>>46509993
>Konami killed yu gi oh
> yu gi oh outsells Magic
Plz i know you like having 100 dollars cardboard, but tanking the value of cards don't kill a game
And FoW is not a ccg

>>46510093

Because soft reprints of various cards at appropriate price points increases the supply marginally while still being responsible, same idea with MM/EM.

When Duel Deck: LoTV vs Karn ft Goyf, Bob, Ravager, and Mox Opal comes out at $15 unlimited, thats a more apt comparison.

>>46510171

The reprint isn't out yet, and won't be for an unknown amount of time, but the company printing the game has shown repeatedly that they will tank the price of in demand cards. But they won't do it until the set the card is selling boosters for is long out of print.