MTG Modern General

>>46483413
one of the two bigass things it does is drag tezzerator into modern with a vengeance, which if it goes how i think it might go since it got the engine it needed, it might be the thing that pimpslaps affinity around all day every day.
the other thing its gonna do is make U/x control decks viable again with a legitimate draw engine for once from AV.

>>46483499
AV is bad. I'd love for my opponent to play that garbage

>>46483499
Why does tezzerator pimp slap affinity,

>>46483413
Control has been competing since tron became a thing in modern.

>>46483577
because it would be setup for tezzerator to be the grind machine that would flatten both it and infect.

>>46483566
I don't know man, it gives control a serious turn 1 play. Before it had that all it could do was hold up spell snare or bolt or path, but a turn 1 visions is seriously where you want to be

>>46483413
I think Eldrazi will drop to T2
AV won't do much
Esper Tokens will be a thing, now that SotM is freed

>>46483577
Engineered explosives, chalice, lifegaining chumps. It's got somethings and some stuff.

>>46483595
Okay, but how does it do that?

>>46483625
read:
>>46483622
hes got a good idea of it.

>>46483413
>Memedern
>not retarded
Pick one
Well memed

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>the site I bought my swords and ancestral vision literally disappeared from the internet

H-hold me guys!

>>46483670
to be fair to the memedern players anon, their shitty meme format got slightly less fucked when they finally threw control elements into the game, watch it dominate hilariously and all of them just cry.

>>46483622
Is all that better than stony silence or hurkyls recall or any of the other stuff already was. Chalice for 0 is sweet, engineered explosives is decent, but still, I don't know if it's going to be the best against affinity

>>46483603
I'll delete this in a minute, but you still have your name on friendo :)

>>46483704
You are right, tron control summer till next bans

>>46483716
I don't really care to be honest with you

>>46483709
EE gets better the lower the curve you aim it at and affinity is bottom of the barrel. An important thing to note is chalice and EE are maindeck. We haven't even gotten to the sideboard.

>>46483587
>tron
>control
k

>>46483862
What's your deck list ook like bruh? Sounds like you're going with the artifact heavier build rather than the Lili bridge discard build.

>>46483938
I'm embarrassed to admit I don't have one yet. I'm keen to try the bridge-lili thing but Im pretty sure I want to toolbox with trinket mage as well. I want to include chalice main deck if I can help it. I can go in any direction, I have all the cards. What's your take on the different builds?

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>>46484051
>mtgcardsmith

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Eldrazi winter gives way to Eldrazi shitpost summer, shitposting in every memedern thread till eye is unbanned

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>>46484161
Sorry

>>46484112
Personally I don't like it as much in a control shell. I feel if you're going to run 5 to 8 artifacts, you should at least put them to good use in your build. I don't know, maybe it will be amazing, but my little brother just jammed it in his urw she'll and I wasnt impressed. I think it shines in a tezzerator build. I can't say I've fucked around with it too much, the build, but I'm going with an artifact heavier build, with counters rather than Liliana and discard. My list main boards 4 chalices, and due to this I cant run discard profitably. I haven't run the Liliana build yet, but between 3 spellskites, 4 chalices, kill spells, counters, and then the combo, I have not had too hard a time dealing with aggro or burn. Chalice for 1 on the play is just too ducking good, I don't think I have lost 1 time to any aggro deck where I got off a chalice for 1, even on the draw. (Except affinity of course) And the combo comes together fast, and it haseems plenty of time to do it. I really prefer an artifact heavier Tezzerator build, it's performed so well for me. But Lili Bridge builds could be even better, I don't know.

>>46484201
Eldrazi knew this was coming, only people shitposting about eye are Tron players

>>46483413
I am a legacy player and haven't played anything other than legacy since coldsnap. I am thinking that now with the new bans I may give modern a go? What do you think of the meta, is a rock paper scissors type format or is it 1 or 2 decks dominating all the time?

>>46484336
go build tezzerator, drag it into modern, win hard.
you know you want too.

>>46484336
You either play aggro, or you play jund or junk and shot on everything that's not aggro, but have a 44% win rate against the aggro, or you play tron and shit on jund/junk but get absolutely fucked by aggro.

Or you play fairies cause you're a weeb

>>46483499
I was watching LSV play a modern tezzerator brew on stream the another night. He got a volunteer to do a freeform match with him since the unbans haven't happened yet and did very well against abzan company. Grossest moment was dropping to 1 life then using tezz ult to drain for 12 and win next turn

Discussion in chat was talking about how sword + foundry goes infinite with grand architect and krark-clan ironworks.

The deck can also side out foundry & sword for needles/torpor orbs/bridges and play the prison game

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should I buy a playset now?

>>46484447
Yeah, it's 15 dollars for a set so it's not that big a risk, I don't think it will ever go down to worthless but you're really not gambling too much.

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>>46484447
Yes

I wonder how many people are going to kill the thopter token in response to the Sword trigger thinking that it will stop Sword from coming back.

>>46484447
Why would you want that?

>>46484303
>not retarded edition
>every post my OP is full retard

>>46484534
so i can have my playset before someone breaks it and it becomes a +$15 card

>>46484539
Good response friend, you sure showed me.

>>46483413
Eldrazi is still going to be decent, but it can no longer shit out 4 Mimics t1 into a Thought-Knot t2 or a Spirit Guide/Smasher/Win t2. Strong deck, but not a broken deck. Control will never be good, because drawing 3 cards t5 is good SUPPORT for control, but not actually a way to build control in itself. The chief issue with control right now is that there's no way to stop them topdecking exactly what they need to win. I can see someone throwing Vision in an already-existing Lantern control shell to be cast after the t1 lantern and t2 bridge, but beyond that? No.

On the other hand, I am predicting a hybrid Affinity/Thopters deck, possibly including Bone Saw. Mark my words, Bone Saw will be good. I'm currently brewing a grindy UR artifacts in standard - Thraben Gargoyle, Hedron Crawler, Ghirapur Aether Grid, Thopter Spy Network, and Pia and Kiran Nalaar. Being able to shit out a bunch of cheap equipment that you can just chuck on a creature if you have spare mana to swing harder is nice.

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Nice thopter combo, would be a shame if someone were to..... shit it up

>>46484633
You're aware that the combo doesn't make a million tokens at once right? You make like 2-3 per turn depending on what else you are doing. Moonlight would not be very good against thopter sword unless that kark clan infinite is in play, and even then all you do is answer it for one turn.

>>46484577
Nobody is going to break that though. If you want dorks run dorks.

>>46484667
If you sack Sword and don't get a token from it the sword doesn't come back.

>>46484667
You're aware that everyone is already running a bunch of artifact hate in the side

>>46484447
Play with eldrazi scions, tap for 1 color sac for anus, play more eldrazi that make scions
>the ride never ends

>>46484633
Huh. That soft counters aethervial correct? They have to choose to not use the ability they just put on the stack.

Could see play in a tempo build of both merfolk and thopter sword grow in popularity.

>>46484706
ah yeah i guess that's true. You can still sack like literally any other artifact tho but I could see that working vs a deck that only has the foundry + sword. Against something like Tezzerator with a bunch of artifacts that wouldn't work.

>>46484336
>>46484363
The format can't possibly be that limited (no pun intended). Surely there are some fringe decks.

>>46484762
Many. People here are just asshats.Google will serve you better than this place

>>46484762
There are fringe decks but they can't beat Jund or Junk and they probably won't be as fast as the premier aggro of the month. If you want a good fun deck I'd recommend creature toolbox, that's always been fun for me.

>>46484817
Everyone here is a top8 gp finalist this is "competitive" memedern

I've had a revelation

It's not actually modern players that are shitty subhumans

It's 4chan modern players that are shitty subhumans

It was so obvious all along I feel stupid now

>>46484817
yeah thats what I thought.

Are people super salty because of the EoU ban? Did everyone play eldrazi before?

>>46484931
No it's like one or two guys same fagging it up

>>46484706
It does when they flashback lingering souls.

>>46484931
no those are salty ass tronfags who also played with eye.

>>46484217
Well played, Feinstein, well played.

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With the AV unban I'm working on a new control brew. This is where I'm at so far.

Ancestral Teachings:

Card Draw: 11
4 Ancestral Vision
4 Esper Charm
3 Mystical Teachings

Counterspells: 12
4 Spell Snare
4 Rune Snag
4 Cryptic Command

Removal/Sweepers: 8
3 Engineered Explosives
1 Slaughter Pact
1 Path to Exile
1 Anguished Unmaking
1 Consume the Meek
1 Fated Retribution

Toolbox/Wincon: 3
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Sphinx's Revelation
1 White Sun's Zenith

Lands: 26
4 Celestial Colonnade
4 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
2 Hallowed Fountain
2 Watery Grave
3 Island
1 Plains
1 Swamp
4 Drowned Catacomb
1 Nephalia Drownyard
1 Tectonic Edge


Sideboard: 15
3 Thoughtseize
1 Extirpate
1 Dispel
1 Celestial Purge
1 Negate
1 Pulse of the Fields
3 Wrath of God
1 Overwhelming Denial
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1 Fracturing Gust
1 Aetherling

>>46485107
Tronfag here. Don't blame us. Tron kinda sucks without the eye but no need to freak the fuck out about it.

>>46485168
Don't you think teachings is too slow and clunkey?

>>46485197
Yea man, karn into Ugin is awful

>>46485197
nah m8, your deck died between eye going to hell and the rise of affinity/infect, my bet is you guys are gonna also eat complete shit to U/x control decks as well because drawgo will return with a vengeance.

>>46485197
Just stick in Academy Ruins, Breeding Pool and Mindslaver and inevitability's back.

>>46485246
It's not that the deck sucks, it's more that drawing a scrying or map after the critical turn feels pretty bad since they can no longer fetch out more wincons (by grabbing the eye). A major source of card advantage has been lost.

>>46485229
Hopefully the mana efficiency of Ancestral Vision will alleviate that. One of the problems with traditional Teachings decks was that Teachings doesn't help you hit the land drops you need to actual utilize it well, and it takes away deck space from cards like Think Twice. With AV, though, you can draw a ton of spare cards for little mana, then use Teachings to get bullets.

>>46485257
Counterspells will fuck my shit up but surprisingly, tron isn't a bye for either infection or affinity.

>>46485354
You're not seriously running teachings to find visions are you?

>>46485384
even if the Infect/Affinity game isn't an auto win, you guys have a massive disadvantage going into that, and i think you know it.
if i were you i'd probably SB for that and the counterspell hell that will come from the Rise of control bullshit.

>>46483603
And what happens when you don't and you top deck one turn 3?

>>46483609
>Esper Tokens will be a thing
Pls yes

I want my Mentors to shine in Modern

>>46485471
Control isn't going to rise. Jesus christ you're all so bad

>>46485471
Oh yeah, I know it. I would side for the shitstorm ahead but I'll be too busy playing tezzerator.

>>46485415
No. What part of what I said implied that?

Lands (20)
1x Arid Mesa
2x Celestial Colonnade
4x Flooded Strand
1x Hallowed Fountain
2x Island
1x Mountain
1x Plains
1x Sacred Foundry
4x Scalding Tarn
2x Steam Vents
1x Sulfur Falls

Spells (20)
3x Electrolyze
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Lightning Helix
4x Path to Exile
3x Remand
2x Spell Snare
4x Gitaxian Probe
4x Serum Visions

Creature (12)
4x Delver of Secrets
4x Snapcaster Mage
4x Stormchaser Mage

Sideboard (15)
2x Blood Moon
1x Disdainful Stroke
3x Engineered Explosives
1x Izzet Staticaster
2x Pyroclasm
2x Rest in Peace
2x Spellskite
2x Stony Silence

What do you guys think of this? Is ]Thing in the Ice worth running? If so, should I swap that for Stormchaser Mage? If I do that I feel like I should drop the Blood Moons in the sideboard. Another thing, how do you guys feel about Timely Reinforcements for the burn matchup?

Why the fuck did the Tezzeret Bolas price went so high

>>46485783
Someone was rumored put it in a deck and played it so the whole format memed so hard the price went up 500%

>>46485783
Because modern players are so starved for diversity that any newly unbanned cards warp the market

Didn't you know tezzerator is the next big thing. Just like fairies and dredge before.. Oh wait

>>46485881
>implying all kinds of shit that sounds retarded
tezzerator is literally set to shitstomp with thopter sword, and the deck is historically really good whenever anybody is allowed to play it.

>>46485881
>>46485935
holy shit that price spike what the flying fuck

>>46485960
Tezzeret is spiked to hell because people predict tezzerator to rise as a bigass influence to the current meta, especially since it now has all the pieces it needs to do so with thopter sword.

>>46485935
Oh no a slow combo that gets blown out by extremely common removal. Whatever shall I do

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Good discard outlet to replace white sun zenith with pic related in esper?
As for eldrazi, im going back to heartless build.

>>46486241
Liliana of the veil.

Foundry + Sword combo + Cryptolith Rite for infinite tokens.
Viable? Thinking about buying a playset of Cryptolith Rite just to sell them later.

>>46486896
>the tokens have haste

>>46485700
Only 20 spells and no spell pierce? that's a 33% chance to flip delver, with no protection, and not a lot for stormchaser. Also 4 helixes is a lot mainboard and are clunky with snapcaster at a low land count.

>>46486896
idk man you need what 4 cards, 3 of which have to remain in play for the duration. Actually it would be like 5 or 6 cards since you need something to do with the mana too.

Seems janky af but would probably be fun the one time it worked

>>46486896
Gonna need to add fervor in there

>>46486896
>Thinking about buying a playset of Cryptolith Rite just to sell them later
Don't speculate
You're awful at it

>>46484671
It could be used in CoCo pretty well actually, would allow toy to run less dorks and more bullets.

>>46486896
If you absolutely want to speculate, buy Ensnaring Bridges and Glimmervoids or something.

>>46485700
You're about 8 cards short of a modern legal beck broseph

Tezzy Thopter vs Junk. How the fuck do you beat scooze and abrupt decay with post side stony silences?

>>46487290
deck*
Sorry I suck cocks

>>46487237
Uh no it wouldn't.
CoCo misses it and they curve out at 4 with company

>>46487294
You don't. These recent unbannings will have the same effect as BB and grave troll

>>46487294
Depends on the list you're running, personally I'm splashing green for golgari charms and decays out of the board. Also I run skites and plenty of kill spells for scooze, so I could see the matchup being pretty reasonable

>>46487355
I absolutely love Tezzerator, so I don't care.

The shitty part is that the unbans has caused all the cards I'm missing to spike between +100% to 3000% overnight (Thopter foundry, sword, tezzeret).

>>46487355
I disagree. I think the tho per sword combo is better than both those cards

>>46487408
It's only like 300 bucks for a player of all 3 at the moment, and sword is probably best not as a 4 of. Also the prices will drop shortly, at least a bit, and you'll probably be able to pick all of it up for around 150, don't quote me on that though.

>>46485700
1. Only 52 cards main.
2. How has 2 Celestial colonnade working for you? having 2 cipt lands doesn't seem right with an aggressive deck like this. Also, getting to six lands doesn't seem realistic in a 20 land deck.
3. 3 Electrolyze is alot. What is your meta like? Delver decks should generally be as low to the ground as possible. If your looking for that kind effect, Forked bolt might be better for you.

Reminder that mono green eldrazi tron is the future of tron decks. Why play an inferior version of tron that loses to control and midrange when you can play a version of tron with better matchups against control and midrange?

>>46487408
I can't believe how much sword and Foundry have spiked. I picked up sets of both months back because I needed one of each for an edh deck and it was cheaper to buy them bulk. Definitely going to dig those up and sell them off.

Here's my American (UWR) Control deck

Creature (4)
4x Snapcaster Mage

Instant (28)
3x Cryptic Command
4x Lightning Helix
4x Lightning Helix
4x Path to Exile
3x Mana Leak
2x Spell Snare
2x Remand
4x Think Twice
2x Sphinx's Revelation

Sorcery (2)
2x Supreme Verdict

Planeswalker (2)
2x Ajani Vengeant

Land (24)
4x Flooded Strand
4x Celestial Colonade
2x Arid Mesa
3x Steam Vents
2x Glacial Fortress
1x Hallowed Fountain
2x Tectonic Edge
2x Sulfur Falls
2x Island
1x Plains
1x Desolate Lighthouse

SideBoard (15)
3x Meddling Mage
3x Anger of the Gods
2x Leyline of Sanctity
2x Stony Silence
1x Dispel
1x Wrath of God
1x Wear//Tear
1x Surgical Extraction
1x Rest in Peace

I've been wanting to build this deck what do y'all think?

>>46487707
Bolt instead of the second helix I've posted this twice and fucked it up both times

There's going to be a local modern tournament with a rather decent prize pool in my area.

How do you think the meta is going to shift from the bannings?

I was planning on bringing Lantern Control due to its good matchup against Eldrazi, but if people overreact to the ban changes they might throw in too much artifact hate for me to handle.
Also, how do you think Jund and Burn will do?

>>46487707
Where the Visions at bro?

Also, how's 8 lightning helix working out?

>>46487744
>>46487728
I fucked it up my phone auto corrected it when I first typed it out lel

>>46487707
You need forked bolt and pyroclasm somewhere. Affinity, gruul/one drop zoo, 8whack, and other aggro decks can get you the point of no recovery before you ever hit 3 mana. Also a third maindeck verdict is a good idea.

>>46487744
UWR control normally don't run visions

>>46487843
Well yes, that's because until a few days ago it was banned.

>>46486933
>>46487161
Oh yeah, fuck.

>>46487175
Hey man I thought about it for a second during dinner with my family, gimme a break.

>>46487834
UWR historically has really good matchups against affinity, as long as they don't land EC, and aggro decks in general, but he should have some number of electrolyze at lest.

>>46487948
And as a bonus it would have stony silence for the inevitable thopter decks that will be everywhere for a while

>>46487886
Oh you mean that Ancestral Visions. I thought you mean Serum Visions. I'm fucking retarded. Yes, he should definitely consider them, I agree.

>>46487984
Ancestral Vision will turn out to be exactly like Bitterblossom: it's the card Blue players think will make draw-go/permission great again, but it'll never fucking deliver because it's aged like milk.

If there was a non-combo Cascade deck in the format maybe.

>>46487983
Rest peace is another good piece of tech they can run for other decks that also fucks over sword decks.

Anybody saved that Faerie deck pic with all the fancy dice and tokens?

Would appreciate very much.

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Thats a nice blue instant you have there. Itd be a shame if something happened to it

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>>46488135
Faggot

>>46488511
>goes to draw 3 cards
>gets blown out by a Shadowmoor Uncommon
Cucktrol fags btfo

>>46488135
>>46488519
Wanna fight?
1v1 me on cockatrice kid
protip: you won't

>>46488135
Seond this

>>46488581
>Cuckatrice
>Not Xmage
Only autist go there

>>46488511
>>46488551
>blue instant
>it's actually a sorcery
Fucking aggro kids can't even read.

>>46488636
Do you even need to read for aggro?

>>46488734
Not really. Just match up mana symbols and turn stuff sideways.

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Can someone please explain to me how will of the council works with two players?

Take Council's Judgment, if both players vote for a different permanent, does that mean both those permanents are exiled? I'm asking because when I see people playing with this, it seems only the player who casts it ends up getting to exile a permanent.

>>46488837
Basically the other player will vote for whatever you voted for unless he wants two of his things to get exiled.

>>46487834
You think 3 is good? Please explain why if I have a wrath in the side
>>46487948
What would I take out for electrolyze?

>>46488868
I think I see my mistake in reading the card now. I was interpreting "you" to refer to each player individually, instead of just referring to the person who cast the council's judgment..

>>46488837
Usually cast this when you don't control nonland permanents, so the only target is theirs. If you control a creature and they control a creature, you target theirs, they target yours, and both creatures die.

>>46488837
Both players vote on a permanent the player who cast council's judgment doesn't control. That means both players usually select the same card or else the player who didn't cast it is just getting more value. It's a pretty sweet card either way

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Also thanks fa/tg/uys it's nice to get some help instead of watching people bitch about "memedern" and "muh legacy"

>>46488940
Nah nigga

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>Never got to play with the Sword of the Meek/Thopter Foundry combo
>Throw some jank U/W control list together to test online
>Thinking it's a neat little combination
>Untap with it and 4 mana against a zoo deck
>mfw I realized it was suddenly impossible for me to lose

If your opponent lets you get away with this shit it seems fucking insane

>>46488965
I realized I read it the way Op did. The 'your' part always refers to the one who cast it. My bad.

>>46488837
>>46488868
>>46488923
>>46488940
>>46488941
>playing an edh card in memedern
Your memedern licence has been revoked turn in your netdeck and go back to casual you fucking non "competitive" pleb

>>46488914
>What would I take out for electrolyze?
Probably Think Twice.

>>46489037
That card is legacy playabe. Shame it is not in modern

>>46489037
>he thinks he's funny
>he's still at it

>>46489037
>edh
>not comemeder

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>>46488627
>he uses xmage!
>he needs a program to fill the stack for him!

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Memedern playable

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>>46489282
Please don't kill the thread with this shit

>>46489181
No, I need it so my salty opponent follows the rules

>>46489066
Wouldn't think twice be better in the long run?

>>46488990
Yeah it shits on fair decks.

>>46488990
Stony silence and the million destroy artifact spells say otherwise. Illness in the ranks is so easy to cast too

>>46489378
Ultimately it depends on your meta. Electrolyze has the potential to be a 3 for one while Think Twice will only ever be a 2 for 1 in terms of CA. Electrolyze also affects the board whereas Think Twice does not.

>>46489436
Does illness in the ranks see any play against any other deck? I mean maybe against pyromancers, but still idk if a card that's so single minded will see play in boards, I definitely think if Thopter Sword gits gud we'll just see an added number of artifact hate. And another thing, sideboard cards do win games, but it hasn't stopped affinity from being tier 1.

>>46489549
Lol but Affinity is so much better than Tezzy Thopter

>>46489624
Ehh that's yet to be seen, they're 2 entirely different decks

>>46489549
Nah illness doesn't really see any play at all

Night of Soul's Betrayal is the more versatile card that does see some sideboard play but not much

>>46489653
>they're 2 entirely different decks
Yea one is good and the other is awful

With eldrazi nerfed it means it is time to brew shitty eldrazi decks using aether vial. Not sure what color combination is best.

>>46489470
Thanks anon you've been lots of help. Any other tips?

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Does this card seem any good? Would any modern control decks want to play this?

>>46489624
>And another thing, sideboard cards do win games, but it hasn't stopped affinity from being tier 1.
It hasn't stopped affinity because:
1. They have to draw their sideboard card.
2. They have to draw it before they die.
3. They have to draw it and have a hand capable of closing the game before Affinity can reassemble their board.

Thopter+sword lacks the speed to close games before the opponent can draw their hate, but they have counterspells, so who knows?

That said, I do hope thopter+sword goes somewhere.

>>46489874
Meant for
>>46489549

>>46487595
I can't be the only one who feels that this game is much better when ramp is bad.

>>46490231
No, I agree Kevin. We should only play fair creature decks with no acceleration

This is some guy from /tg/'s esper control deck that I jammed thopter sword and a couple of lingering souls into, it's been stomping on cockatrice but that means literally nothing
What do you guys think?

4 Celestial Colonnade
3 Supreme Verdict
3 Esper Charm
4 Cryptic Command
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
2 Hallowed Fountain
2 Watery Grave
1 Godless Shrine
3 Island
1 Plains
1 Swamp
4 Path to Exile
3 Ghost Quarter
1 Drowned Catacomb
4 Spell Snare
4 Ancestral Vision
3 Sword of the Meek
3 Thopter Foundry
2 Lingering Souls
SB: 3 Thoughtseize
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 Dispel
SB: 1 Negate
SB: 2 Celestial Purge
SB: 2 Vendilion Clique
SB: 2 Wrath of God
SB: 2 Baneslayer Angel

>>46490373
>I jammed thopter sword
Is thopter sword going to be a combo that you can just jam in every blue deck? It's twin all over again. Except without the instant game over.

>>46490373
Now that you've added a bunch of artifacts and Lingering Souls 4 Snappy is a no-go anon. Even more than usual in Esper.

>>46490422
That makes all the difference. Thopter/Sword is an engine that generates value, but it doesn't instantly lose you the game if you can't respond to it on turn 4. It doesn't give the person on the play an insane advantage.

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3-0-1 for first with this shitbrew tonight.

matches were:
Cheerios (W)
Affinity (W)
BUG Witness (D)
Infect (W)

Infect match finished with enough time to watch 'Storm Guy' kill 'Tron Guy' with Ignite Memories, hitting a sideboarded Platinum Angel multiple times. Shit was so cash.

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Replacement for eye in tron?

>>46490231
Mono green eldrazi tron is going to destroy the new control heavy meta.

>>46490572
yeah, with crucible.

>>46490614
Must you memedern faggots skull fuck the price of every edh card, i just want to play my turn 15 combos without having to pay $60 for a card

>>46490668
Lol its you that made the card spike you moron

>>46490373
I don't think you can just jam ThopterSword into a deck - it's not Stoneforge + Batterskull. The cards suck balls on their own and generally are awful if you draw multiples. With each piece of the combo you cast you essentially are wasting a turn doing nothing, which isn't exactly something you want to be doing unless the payoff is more consistent. I think the lack of early plays (Mana Leak or Remand) are offset by the Spell Snares, which can be savage and buy you time. But a sufficiently average aggressive draw I think can shut you down as you have few early answers (basically Path to Exile). There is sufficient dig with Esper Charm and I don't know if the deck needs Sphinx's Revelation.

Ultimately I think your deck looks fine. It's a standard control deck with the manlands and the combo as the finisher. I'm of the opinion that any control deck (consisting of some combination of draw, answers, and inevitability) is playable in Modern with any combination of colors. Yours looks fine.

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What are some other monkey/tropical themed cards (or just cards with monkeys in them)?

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now that sword of the meek is unbanned, how long will it be until birthing pod gets unbanned as well

>>46490668
>Using real cards in an unsanctioned format
Why?

Even if your store holds tournaments just let the proxies flow. Have the store owner charge $10 admission to offset the fact nobody is buying cards.

If the format is sanctioned I can somewhat respect the integrity of wanting to earn Planeswalker Points and legitimate serious prizes like PTQ invites by forcing the use of real cards, but it's fucking EDH.

I have 6 copies of fake Crucibles just sitting around. They cost about a dollar a piece. There's nothing wrong with players being faggots, but it's Wizards' fault prices are like this - it's their job to regulate the marketand they're doing a shit job of it.

>>46490973
Only is summer bloom does

>>46490950
Koth of the Hammer

Land (20)
1x Arid Mesa
2x Celestial Colonnade
4x Flooded Strand
1x Hallowed Fountain
2x Island
1x Mountain
1x Plains
1x Sacred Foundry
4x Scalding Tarn
2x Steam Vents
1x Sulfur Falls

Spells (20)
3x Pyroclasm
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Lightning Helix
4x Path to Exile
3x Remand
2x Spell Snare
4x Gitaxian Probe
4x Serum Visions

Creature (12)
4x Monastery Swiftspear
4x Snapcaster Mage
4x Stormchaser Mage

Sideboard (14)
2x Wear/Tear
2x Kor Firewalker
1x Engineered Explosives
1x Izzet Staticaster
2x Leyline of Sanctity
2x Rest in Peace
2x Spellskite
2x Stony Silence

So this is what I got so far for my first modern deck. I don't know what else to add to the sideboard. What do you guys think of this?

>>46484748
Play it with any another token and ashnods altar.

>>46491076
Drop 4 Swifts pear and 4 storm chaser and add 4 delve and 4 young pyromancer, then drop pyroclasm, and probably white as helix and path are not worth splashing for. Then cut 1 or 2 lands and add 2 spells. There you go, UR delver

So does thopter spy network become the 2 include card draw engine or keep being shit? A free thopter as long as you have the foundry out is pretty good in a way.

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>>46491076
the white isn't worth.

this is my version of prowess.

>>46484418
I watched that too. It was impressive. Especially considering how unpolished his deck was.

I want to see it against aggro though.

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Why aren't you guys playing your favorite memes in the best format legacy?

>>46491313
Because that doesn't look like a very good deck at all

I wouldn't worry too much about the price of SotM and Thopter Foundry.

They're both uncommons from very popular sets (Thopter Foundry having two prints)

Watch the price drop next week when everyone gets their copies and start selling. The prices will half.

Not sure about Tezzeret though, he may stay high.

>>46490950

How are you playing a monkeys deck without black mana?

>>46491218
Rituals?

>>46491358
Loam pox is a thing

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>>46491358
But Pox is indeed viable lad c:. All memes are viable in legacy. Even this

>>46491365
I lied about Sword of the Meek actually.

Future Sight was a small print wasn't it?

>>46490668
Dude there is an entire breed of shitty "full art" xerox proxy on literally every market site imaginable just for you casual shitters.

Your entire 100 card deck costs literally $20 with like 5 flavors of tohou art throughout it, and its what you deserve.

>>46491404
Yea but that doesn't mean it's a good thing

>>46491418
Sure was. Part of the reason why Goyfs are so high

>>46491418
Nah it was huge, thats why Tarmogoyf is so cheap, especially after being printed 3 times.

>>46491444
Fuck... I will wait until next week to pick up my 2x SotM

I'm hoping to grab them for $10/ea

>>46491218
Personally I'd swap the flameslashes for forked bolts (now that thoughtknot isn't everywhere) and I'd consider replacing the void snare with vapor snag

Sick list btw

>>46491313
Because proxies, while a solution to card availability, do not ultimately solve the problem of getting a format to fire.

The real problem isn't card availability; the problem is that Magic players are fucking lazy. They're so fucking lazy that they can't fire up their Google, find fucking proxies for sale, buy them, and make a deck. Someone else has to fucking take the plunge, spend some money to fucking show everyone that they are prepared to play even though they don't have anybody to play with. And even then players might not be motivated to get the cards. And even then that's an issue because Magic players are fucking so poor that they can't just drop $50 on a fully proxied Legacy deck.

That's the fucking number one problem. Nobody wants to commit. It's the same reason why drafts don't happen - because it's impossible to find 7 people who can commit time or make the efficient purchases to get a box at a discount - two boxes equal three drafts without prizes.

It's never been about prices, Wizards, the store, pros, marketing or any billion other excuses Magic players use to bitch about the state of the game. The core problem, the bedrock problem, is that most of us are lazy motherfuckers - so lazy that nobody can find 7 solid individuals who can commit to drafting once or twice a month or getting together and play Legacy. Any can you blame these people? They probably never played sports or participated in clubs or had regular clubs or exercised on some sort of schedule as kids.

>>46491432
Depends on meta, very good against delver, bug, and creature decks in general. c:. Worst match up is literally any faithless looting deck.

>>46491496
>$50 on a fully proxied Legacy deck

A single set of proxy duals is $100 by itself. Not even counting that literally every modern border proxy is completely unusable.

>It's the same reason why drafts don't happen

Drafts happen literally every Friday night, at least, at literally every sanctioned store.

>>46491496
FUG ;-; I feel you I actually had to convince my friends and my lgs to host legacy events. I built the deck and had it for 6months without it getting played. Gladly my friends hoped on with a variant of decks. Elves, bug delver, grixis delver, death and taxes and zombi bombardment. We are all 19 and have minimum wage jobs we just really don't like the idea of standard or buying boosters (or drafting). I hope your drafting needs get fixed one day anon c:

Just got a player of foundries for 30 bucks, didn't do too bad right?

>>46491600
Not bad.

>>46491600
You should really take your name off

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>>46491619
No

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>>46491383
>>46491029
because there's only one black mon......oooOOOOoohhhhhhhhhhh

kek

>>46491657
1/4 Lifelink
Gee, thanks

>>46491202
Thopter foundry can win the game on it own. Thopter spy network is a win-more card which adds more clunky draws to the deck.

>>46491547
Why would you need a single set of every dual? Just buy the cards you need for a deck. I spent literally $100 on a complete 75 BUG Delver deck. This includes double sleaving and a nice deck box.

>>46491671
PLUS IT HAS MORPH!
What a steal!

>>46490534
But if the thopter foundry player untaps, it's practically game over if you don't have a way to answer it. Ofc you can try to kill them before then, but we'll be right back where we started: an aggro dominated modern.

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>>46491600
I bought 4 foils for $30

Then I went to my local store, looked through the uncommon box and found 2 more. Then I sold them for $10 ea.

>>46490950

this deck is bananas anon!

>>46491493
>Personally I'd swap the flameslashes for forked bolts (now that thoughtknot isn't everywhere)
fair

>I'd consider replacing the void snare with vapor snag
the intent was to get around problem permanents like Worship and Bridge. i feel like the maindeck already has plenty of interaction for creatures.

>>46491807
When did you get 4 foils for 30

Why do people say 8Rack is a bad deck?
It auto wins against control and combo and is very hard to deal with for other decks due to bridge and pack rat

Sure, Leyline gives it some issues but that barely sees any play and it fucks burn quite a bit too. It's not hard to splash white or green for permanent removal either.

All I know is it produces mass amounts of salt and rage quits

>>46492046
Like 30 mins after the ban on ebay. NM condition too.

>>46483413

>What do you guys think the unbannings are going to do?
Make people attempt to play Ux/x control decks again. Delver will come back. Tezzerator will be played more prominently. Time Sieve combo may return. Lantern has an additional win-con maybe? I don't play Lantern so a more adept Lantern pilot could tell you. Cards like Torpor Orb, Tainted Remedy, Stony Silence, Ricochet Trap are now relevant sideboard hate cards. Chalice of the Void on 0 is good still.

>Will Eldrazi still be a decent decl, is anyone trying it?
Sure but less people will play it since it's not brokenly fast anymore. I'm ok with a turn 2 Thought Knot Seer taking a card. I wasn't happy with a TKS taking a card and eating 8-12 damage from 2-3 Mimics.
>Will control finally be able to compete?
Sure since the formats largest metashare deck will now be slowed down.

>>46489549
>>46489669

illness used to see minor play against Twin.

>>46492132
People say 8 rack is a bad deck because it is. Yeah you can steal games with a bridge and yeah your matchup is good against combo, but combo isn't big right now, and a good amount of the time you can't beat aggro without a bridge. If you like praying to the Lord that you draw a bridge with zero deck manipulation then yeah, go for it.

>>46490527
yeah I'm gonna gonna cut down to two snaps I think, being able to snap path or spell snare is really valuable but those are really the only good targets

>>46492423
So you've never played the deck lol

>>46491756

>>46491756

You spent $100 on a set of white core T a r m o g o y fs, Leliana of the Veils, and Ancestral Visions'?

Enjoy getting your cards pulled at any REL, banned from your store, and having nobody ever trade with you again.

>>46483413
I've never played Magic but after looking at the rules I've decided that Modern is the only format I'd be willing to give a shot. Mainly because the idea of constantly buying new cards repulses me from Standard and I'm not willing to go find and buy a Legendary for Commander.

I got 2 of those 30 card "Starter" decks for free a few years ago which combines into a Blue/Black Deck.

What I want to know is, would this crapsack of a deck be viable in any way without having to get more cards? Or am I better off just trying to sell them for a quick buck?

Cards:

Blue:

>Island x11

>Azure Mage x1
>Belltower Sphinx x1
>Darkslick Drake x1
>Merfolk Mesmerist x2
>Plated Seastrider x2
>Neurok Replica x2

>Divination x2
>Jace's Erasure x2
>Ice Cage x1
>Disperse x1
>Negate x2
>Mindculling x1

Black:

>Swamp x13

>Vampire Nighthawk x1
>Liliana's Shade x2
>Walking Corpse x1
>Renegade Demon x2
>Tormented Soul x2
>Giant Scorpion x1
>Bloodhunter Bat x1

>Cower in Fear x1
>Rise from the Grave x1
>Crippling Blight x1
>Murder x2
>Mind Rot x1

>>46484748
>what is summoning sickness

>>46492671
The negates are the only playable cards and they are a bad sideboard choice at best

If you don't want to buy one legendary for commander you will not have a good time with modern

>>46492659
I've played against it, and in all my time of playing suicide Jund I've never lost to it. Also it has terrible tron and GBx matchups, so I just don't see it being good, fu k I can't even find it on mtgtop8

>>46492671
What's your budget?

>>46492718
I take it that most those cards are outdated or are they just bad?

>>46492720
This desu. Suicide jund is awesome. What's your list bruh?

>>46492781
I see you've taken my name and are trying to make it seem like I'm samefagging. I don't know why you'd do that, pretty pathetic really.

>>46492816
Lol you've been exposed

>>46492671
>don't want to buy a legendary for commander

First, legendary =/= expensive.
Second, if yiu aren't willing to put a lot of your disposable income into this hobby for the next year, do us both a favor and don't pick it up. You won't have a good time.

Do you go full set Sword in decks that run Thopter Sword or is OK for 2-2 split?

>>46492663
Cards are rarely get checked, especially at Regular REL, but rarely even at Competitive REL.

>>46492671
Also you would literally have to pay someone to take thise cards they are ALL trash, there's a reason those things are given away at cons.

>>46492759
They're a little bit of both, but it's mostly that modern doesn't really favor "fair" decks. Lets say you run a zoo deck, the most fair deck in modern, and start with a Kird Ape, followed by two burning tree emissaries and a scavenging ooze. Seems a bit unfair, but compared to the degenerative nature of the format that's a pretty fair boardstate.

Another example is Bant. It's a fair deck, but every creature is a meta creature that costs 50$. You've got your classic turn 1 mana dork (noble heirarch), the best 2drops in the format (tarmogoyf, voice of resurgence), and the best 3drops in the format (geist of st taft, reliquary knight, loxodon). To top it off, the deck may contain a combo to win the game on the spot (knight+corralhelm).
It has a similar gameplan to your deck but all the creatures are insanely good, it has a combo, and it's still seen as a tier 2 deck.

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>>46492860
No it wasn't me, but the sad thing is I kind of got excited for a second cause I thought someone was interested in my deck list and I always enjoy having actual discussions about magic rather than the autistic babble that usually goes on in these threads. It's kind of dad really, for 1 second I smiled, thinking "hey, maybe I can show this guy an interesting deck and my experiences with it" and he'll throw some ideas at me, and together we can walk away from the experience more knowledgeable and a little bit satisfied that 2 people from different corners of the world can come together and take some time to work out some cool combos and synergy and strategies. But instead it was just some retard trying to make me look like I was samefagging. So I'm gonna take my name off, I don't know why it triggered him so deeply. But at the end of the day, I don't really care at all about anything, maybe I'll just kill myself.

>>46492963
Depends on the deck, if you have tutors and/or dig that could be fine.

>>46492963
I run a 4 foundry 3 sword split and it's been working for me. Discarding it to thirst for knowledge or just having a backup isnt bad, and tezz digs so fast all in all I just like to have that combo as once assembled, and you untapped the games pretty much yours against any deck that can't answer it.

>>46493042
>>46492992

Thanks. I really fucked up by not buying Sword last Sunday after meme-ing it up saying Sword will get unbanned. It was only 2 bucks at my LGS's bargain binder, now it's gone. Finding a way to not get jewed over (much) but yeah at the end of the day the house always wins I guess. I'll try 2 swords first.

>>46492983
Don't kill yourself m8. The suicide deck is just getting to you, don't listen to it.

Do you run postmortem lunge?

>>46492964

Yeah, because people aren't stupid enough to buy/play the garbage that is the typical modern border "proxy"

Put a T a r m o g o y f, a 2/2 Bob, a C a v e r n o f s o u l s, or an Ancestral Visions on the board and you're going to get called. Its not like the Dual fakes that are practically indistinguishable without a high dpi scan.

>>46493073
No I don't actually, it's been a pretty good while since I've messed with any slots in my 75 but I could definitely see that card having some great utility. Where do you find it good?

>>46492979
>>46492956
>>46492745

Right then, I guess I might get into it when I have more cash.

Which cards on that are outdated by the way?

>>46493205
I don't think a single card there outside of Negate sees modern play. But don't worry man there are budget versions of decks you can but into for around 100 bucks and they're not complete shit.

>>46493205

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/decks/budget/modern#paper

>>46493190
It just combos really well with Death's Shadow. You can play Shadow at 0/0 or less, respond by Dismembering it, then give it haste for a sweet boost, or just bring back the one they Abrupt Decay'd. Seems like a neat and fun 1-of with some cool interaction.
If you run a Dryad arbor you can bring it back for free too (well, 2 life, but that's a bonus)

>>46493249
By "sees Modern Play" do you mean that they're not permitted or they're not worth using?

>>46493396
They're not worth using. Modern is a very competitive format, cards have to be really good to see successful play.

>>46493396
only vampire nighthawk and negate are worth playing at all, and they are not regularly used in competitive decks.

>>46493331
Imo I like it, it works on the other creatures just as well and it kinda acts like a 5th Deaths Shadow. I dunno I'd only use one though since it's not *that* good, but it's a little bit of glue for the deck imo.

>>46493396
Modern isn't just a casual format where you play certain legal cards. There is no point to not just play full casual at that point.

>>46493502
As for what to replace, I don't know your list so I don't know how tight it is but if you run Mishras Baubles you could easily remove one, IMO theyre nice as cantrips and the interaction with swiftspear is cute but they'd be the first thing I'd trim to make room for a one-of Postmortem

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>>46492663
Eat shit.

>>46493331

Why would you want to do that when you could just Faithless Loot an Emrakul/other fatty, and hit it with Goryos, doing even more damage with even less cards, not risking getting blown out by Path and a board, and not having to be within a couple Bolts from dying to go off?

>>46493639
Lol look at this shit

>>46493639

Those look hilariously terrible, not only could they not even get the fonts or colours correct, theres print banding and dot patterns all over them.

>>46491468
I put them on my puca wishlist at 10 AM and they were 500 pts, when I checked again at like 4:30 I had 4 coming to me for 2800 pts each... Just wait it out anon, they'll go down for sure

They are scans of chinamans. None of them pass the UV test but they look real in double sleeves. You won't get called out on them.

>>46493639

Nice Mint condition Alpha Duals bro, you gonna grade and auction them for $7000-$8000? No? Riffle shuffle them? Seems legit.

They are beta ... Do you like talking out your ass?

>>46493725
Because those are two completely different decks
Reanimator is not suicide zoo

A better example, if you topdeck a death's shadow you can thoughtseize yourself and bring it back with haste. It opens up neat lines of play

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God UR Storm is so bad. Its ridiculously hard to play and it fizzles so often. Im going to keep practicing but seriously its like a more complicated Burn deck that wins way less often

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>>46493974
>like a more complicated Burn

>>46493870
Do you not know how to use 4chan?

>>46493974

There's a reason why no one plays it that much anymore. It's gimped to oblivion, but I guess Ancestral Vision can alleviate that problem somewhat. I'd really rather play Waste Not Storm because even if it's RNG, if you go off, it's either your opponent is dead on the spot or you get a horde of zombies for lethal next turn

>not playing RG Scapeshift
>not eating control decks

>>46494000
I mean essentially it is. You just try and deal all your damage on one turn. It has no interaction. Its just a bad combo deck that I put together because virtually no other modern deck besides Abzan Company interests me and I dont want to spend $1500 on another deck.

>>46494028
>Losing to thoughtseize

>>46494017
Ancestral Visions is way way too slow for the deck. The decks actually really consistent if you wait several turns and build up enough lands and cards in hand to go off but by the time youve done so youve almost certainly lost because you have nothing to interact with your opponent. The deck needs to be faster and the only way it ever will is if they unbanned one of the rituals , Rite or Song, which probably wont happen. Or if they unban Ponder or Preordain which is more likely but i still wouldnt count on it. Fuck you Wizards.

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>>46494085
>Anyone playing bgx at the moment

>gotta get goblin guides, decide on gp promos coz they look nice and at that time only $5 more than normal ones
>buy 2 gp promo goblin guides when they were $20 each right before they rocketed up
>fuck I need two more
>trade for a normal one when it was $30 right before it went to $40
>check prices today
>gp promo $70 each, normal $45

Fuck my life, why is it when I decide to get something or leave it until the week after the price rises.

Why did Karn get so expensive when the deck literally got worse?

>>46494280

The best time to buy cards was yesterday. Same shit happened to me last Sunday. Tezzeret AoB was at 15 bucks from a trader, now it's 40. I mean I honestly couldn't have predicted the unbannings, but the spike and gouging is unreal. I would probably hoard Dread Returns next B&R season

>>46494314

>"I want to make RG Tron but it's expensive"
>bans happen
>"Looks like Tron got weaker, this is a good time to buy into the deck when everyone drops it, yes I'm smart"

>>46494314

Because they have to go back to playing and casting Karn rather than searching up Ulamog and casting it now.

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>>46494314
I'll lay it out

>Tron is kill
>People sell out of tron
>EDH players, idiots who want to play tron despite it being kill and speculators swoop in and buy karn
>Stores realize that there is no real need to lower the price

Basically idiocy and Judaism

>>46494264
>Tron has no inevitability and can't handle discard anymore
>"Control" got a new toy that's a shit topdeck
>Tezzerator is about to be the meme of the season
>4 Abrupt Decay, 3 Scooze, 2 Kommand, 2 Pulse, 3-4 Lilis.

Ayy you're right nobody would play decks purpose built to completely wreck and dismantle your entire meme condition.

>>46494264
Thoughtseize is 1B
Don't have to play GBx to play the spell

Stupid frogposter

>>46494389
Why do people think Tron is kill? It's the best deck in the format
They even printed sanctum to give the deck bullshit lategame
T3 karn qq

>>46494504

Le inevitability meme

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>>46494495
>Thoughtseize is 1B

>>46494314
Karn's price has been practically flat since the Twin ban

>>46494504
Because the only thing that saved Tron from having it's opening hand Negate/Spell Pierced was having repeatable Ulamog Tutor stapled to a land that could be tutored off of an artifact.

Now that Eye is gone, Tron's only tutor effect is Dig Through Not Banned Because Green.

>>46494519
But sanctum exists
It's not recurring, but it still tutors for your late game bomb

>>46494487
>he thinks Tron needed Eye to win Jund, ever.
>"I-I'll iok his map, that'll show him!"

>>46494627

It doesn't reduce their costs though, that's a huge deal

>>46494627
Sanctum requires you to already have a CMC7+ card in your hand though.

>>46494504

Here's the funny thing.

Tron did get worse off losing Eye of Ugin so what happens is people stop playing Tron or preparing for it and then stop bringing in land hate for it and then someone starts playing Tron again and because everyone stopped bringing in land hate Tron then starts coming back and showing results which in turn starts people playing land hate again making Tron weaker again until people forget that the deck exists.

>>46494669
You could argue it's better :
One cost seven mana to add a card
The other adds a card for no mana, while also tapping for one

>>46493276
>http://www.mtggoldfish.com/decks/budget/modern#paper

Thanks for this dude. I've been wanting to play vamps for a long ass time after leaving Standard for a few months.

Does anyone know if the new vamps from zendikar and innistrad help to create a competitive deck for modern? Which cards specifically? Red black looks good to me.

>>46494757
I means it's obviously not as powerful as 7+tap: draw an eldrazi titan. But grindiness aside it's still really good, and is a tad bit faster. Tronfags should be happy, their deck is still good. they even made 30$ selling their Eyes to legacydrazi players.

>>46494805
You'd have to brew hardcore.
I've been brewing Goblins for a year now and the thing I learned is that without immense tribal synergy, there's no point in using only one creature-type in a beatdown deck. Goblins thankfully got Piledriver (cheiftan is nice but I feel like he's a 2-of, and certainly not what the deck is built around), I wish Lackey were legal to open up some cool deckbuilds, but I'll have to make do with Whackers and 1drops. As fast as burn and with just as little gas, the downside and upside being that it's pretty much all creatures.

>>46494943

Sanctum only works once, and requires a 7+cmc card to activate.

The entire point of Eye in Tron was that after your hand gets ripped apart by Countermagic/Discard/Tailored removal, you would still be able to topdeck virtually anything and have it contribute.

Another Urza's land gave you more fuel, a Karn/Wurmcoil let you trade or advance, and an Eye/Map meant that the fuel could get cashed in for a game winning Newamog off of a single topdeck.

Topdeck "I win" literally went from "One of my 2 Eyes, 2 Ulamogs, or 4 Maps," to "One of my 2 Ulamogs." Lands and Maps no longer contribute to inevitability off the top, and Tron is no longer immune to discard or able to 1-for-1 grind with inevitability on the back of it. You would have to topdeck a Sanctum (Or a Map and cash it for a Sanctum), pass, then the next turn topdeck Ulamog, Karn, or Ugin, else you just get run over from passing so many times. This is also assuming that Sanctum you hold or play doesn't get Lilied/Kommanded or GQ/Fulimatored the next turn.

Are you actually discussing if Sanctum is comparable to Eye?

Sanctum is draft chaff garbage

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I'm still pretty new to magic, how shit is this deck? Why is everyone telling me to now buy a set of Ancestral Visions? Does that fit well with this deck? (I don't think so but I got a lot of hate for not wanting them)

Also help with sideboard would be really appreciated. I can't remember where I copied this deck from (maybe the guy took it down) so I'm completely clueless on this part.

>>46495140

>Sanctum only works once, and requires a 7+cmc card to activate.

Not the same guy and to be fair, the first part can be got worked around with Crucible. Not really sure too much on getting the second part to work reliably but I guess it can be used with any colourless spell with X in it for a massive mana sink if needed with Tron land like an Endless One. And I guess maybe you could play Scour from Existence at instant speed to trigger the effect if desired.

>>46495244
How exactly do you plan to win? Control decks aim to delay the game to a point where they can play a game ending creature. If all you do is delay things so you can delay things some more, you're not going to get many wins.

>>46495342

Not him but this is Taking Turns.dec, a combo deck that chains time walks into time walks until you reach either an animated thassa or awaken Part the Waterveil to win. Often wins turn 4-5 depending on the build

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>>46495342
Awakening PTWV is my game ending "creature"

>>46495244

Where is baby jave and Thassa? Also too many Part the Waterveils, 2-3 is fine imo

>>46495365
>>46495368
Okay, I'm an idiot. Carry on.

>>46495244

Too many mine effects. I'd go

4 Dictates
2 Howling Mines
1 Jace Beleren

>>46495377
Should I sub out a Part the Waterveil for a Thassa? Also are you talking about Jace, Beleren? I was thinking about sideboarding one of them or Tamiyo but I'm not sure yet.

>>46495365
>>46495368

Is this a competitive type of deck? Thassa is one of my favourites and I've been looking for a deck which can use her in modern. Are ptwv and thassa reliable win cons?

>>46495413

It's fringe tier 2-tier 2.5. It's main strength is you can't really hate it out apart from Choke, and no one's packing that, at least back in Eldrazi meta. It steals wins a lot since most people literally just see a pile and don't know what to side against it. It has a decent aggro game too

>>46495404
-2 part
+1 Jace
+1 Thassa

>>46495314
>Crucible
>Endless One
>Scour from Existence

Now you're just adding shit into an extremely refined engine to try and patch up the deficiencies.

The weakest part of a new way of working is the shit you have to add to replace the old way.

>>46495440

Until you have that one friend who likes to do dumb shit just to troll you like pack in Ugin's Nexus for your deck. Or that guy who used to pack City in a Bottle before the oracle change for people playing with Arabian Nights mountains.

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>GW hatebears player
>looks at B&R announcement

I guess it's time to start running pic related main deck.

>>46495637

You also have Torpor Orb anon!

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>>46495650
Orb cant attack my opponents face.

>>46495440
>can't hate out
Pithing Needle negates Jace and Thassa, Warping Wail counters the time warp that would go off, Boil, Nature's Claim pops mine effects. Any deck that runs blue doesn't need any additional hate.

AV isn't a good card in modern. Maybe it'll do something with jank like Gobbo Dark Dwellers, but it's not going to do much other than that.

>>46495140
Put in Breeding Pool, Academy Ruins and Mindslaver. Recur Oblivion Stone and Wurmcoil (map if needed) until you're stabilized and wait until you hit Mindslaver for the lock or any other business card.

>>46496029
Ardent Plea

>>46496062
And what happens if you cascade into something like Leak or Snare? Exalted for 3 mana is terrible and limits you to only play a few spells that cost less that you want to hit.

>>46496041

This totally works, BGx has no way to target hate graveyards and rape artifacts maindeck, and there wasn't just a graveyard based artifact unbanned, so decks won't be packing any kind of ways to blow out a Slaver lock.

Wait no.

>>46496029
If only they gave us brainstorm and shardless agent......

I wonder if traditional control in modern wants to play Ancestral vision or Sphinx's revelation. Both have their good qualities, but both are kinda shit in their own way.

>>46495650
Gryff is better. It's 3cmc, has flash and hits the face. Everything we want!

>>46496029
Its a terrible card overall. The only deck that has ever run it in an eternal format has had access to Shardless and Brainstorm to chain them and draw like 6 cards in a turn.

Although I do have to say that the card single handedly makes Grixis Midrange a deck again. Not a dominant deck, or even a T1 deck, but a deck at least. GDD as a curve topper alongside Tasigur has the potential to be absolute hilarity, especially since it can't be effectively blasted like Tasigur's ability.

Grixis has had the eternal problem of a value midrange deck with a complete and total lack of gas on the top end. Vision, while a crap topdeck in "gotta gas" mode, can be a powerful card overall as the game grinds, or if suspended early can help it really turn the corner in the midgame.

Add in the potential of looting/scouring an extra copy away and hitting it with GDD on turn 5 and you have essentially the definition of "Gas and Blast."

Its narrow, and doesn't flip well, but Grixis' problem has always been turning the corner if a deck can grind or hold. JVP and Snap are really shit substitutes for midgame gas, and AV is some of the cleanest, if slowest, gas the format can handle.

If played properly, though an early suspend or though a GDD flash, AV is essentially going to hit at the same time Cruise did.

>>46496196
Sphinx Rev is going to be more powerful and wont be a terrible topdeck late game. If you try to play AV, you really need to play 4 to get one off early, but you can play 1-2 Rev and still come out better.
There is no really viable way to cheat AV out early, you can't flashback it, you have to wait 4 turns.
I did do some mulling over Dark Dwellers with it, and it could be nice, but you'd have to play something like Forbidden Alchemy or some way to loot. The question still stand if you'd rather flashback a Kolaghan's Command or something like Blightning.
A 5 mana 4/4 with menace with an AV attached seems good, but so does one with a Command.
>>46496234
I tried a fun but janky Grixis Midrange list with GDD a few weeks ago.
Something like 4 Snappy, 4 GDD, 2 Pia, 2 Hangarback, 2 Tasigur, 4 LBolt, 4 K Commands, 3 Terminate and 8 discard spells, Serum Visions, etc.
Chaining GDD into more GDD with command was hilarious, and you really have to see it as a Snappy flashbacking something for 3 but with a better body. Menace is also quite good against lot's of decks.

>>46496162
It has value even without the lock vs any aggro deck that doesn't kill you by turn 4 and combo (scapeshift turns into asymmetric armageddon, sac everything to Ravager fizzle modular, kill Burn's dudes and burn themselves, kill Ad Nauseam with their own combo). No deck can stop the lock while tapped out and/or if they have no board. You activate Ruins only in response to exile attempts in case of something like scooze. Stony Silence is already played and Nature's Claimed.

>>46496162
Besides, BGx is a bye as it is so I don't see the problem.

>>46496274
>Menace is also quite good against lot's of decks

It also prevents decks like Hatebears, Abzan flavors, and BGx from dropping a single Scooze or Goyf after the GDD has resolved and essentially locking you out of playing the game until you draw a Terminate. Something that has really previously dicked over Grixis in the long game.

>>46496408
>>46496419

If you can get to 12 mana naturally without encountering a Fulminator or getting blasted by aggro, and have a Slaver and Ruins primed, you pretty much don't need the Slaver lock to win, because your opponent is likely playing for you to win anyways.

Theres a reason U Tron isn't even recognized as a Tier competitive deck. BGx is anything but a bye for it.

>>46496450
If the game goes long it's entirely possible now without the Eye for you to have even 20 mana up but nothing to do with it since your scryings and maps are now time walks for your opponent without a way to put them to use. Even if one doesn't run Mindslaver recurring O-Stones and Wurmcoils at least does something. In g2/3 you claim Wurmcoils to dodge Path and recur the next turn.

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>>46496029
>Gobbo Dark Dwellers

>Turn 4
>Zero cards in hand
>Fuck
>Have Vision suspended on 1
>Start turn 5
>Pop Vision, draw 3, draw for turn
>4 cards in hand
>Play GDD, hit Vision, draw 3
>4/4 Menace on board
>6 cards in hand
>"Go"
>MFW

>>46496538

Wait no, Im dumb, it would be 5 cards at the end, or land in hand to start.

>>46496538
and you are dead froim zoo beating you down while you suspend visions

>topdeck late visions
>eh fuck it, toss it to LotV
>Gobbo Dark Dwellers it back later for 3 cards

I like it.

>>46496642
>playing Goblin Meme-Dwellers in Grixis
Hahaha what

>>46496538
>5cmc creature
>modern
Pick one

>>46496814

>pick one
>5cmc creature

Sigarda, Host of Herons?
Body Double?
Deadshot Minotaur?
Dragonlord Ojutai?
Golgari Grave Troll?
Ingot Chewer?
Kiki Jiki Mirror Breaker?
Monstrous Carabid?
Reveillark?
Shriekmaw?
Street Wraith?

Surely you've seen some of these cards in established and fringe Modern decks anon

>>46485415
No, AV helps him get the lands. Play visions early teachings late.

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>river of tears
>only available in the worst possible card template
poo

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Modern is literally the worst format ever wtf.

This is my first post since starting modern 6 months ago. I promised myself I wouldn't touch /tg/ until I've had at least 6 months experience and here I am. FUCK YOU, memers.

This format is fucking shit. Game over in T4/5 yeah go fuck yourself. Limited sealed has a genuine lottery experience, EDH has the long-haul game experience (best format ever senpai), Leg is for people with $$$, and those without? Just fucking go to standard. Honestly, move to Standard if that's it. Modern is dead. There is no card interaction, Kitchen Finks are retarded, and Affinity or any Tron deck is literally cancer.

I haven't lost to anyone recently to warrant this post, this is literally my first ever modern post. Fuck this format. It's unbelievably gay.

>>46485935
I feel like burn will be strong, not necessarily game 1 but after sideboard they can chuck in Smash To Smithereens and Destructive Revelry

>>46497612
And it's still the best looking card in the game

>>46493331
>You can play Shadow at 0/0 or less, respond by Dismembering it
No you can't. If you resolve a 0/0 shadow it will die before you get priority.

>>46493331
Let's disregard the fact that Shadow dies as a SBE with 0 toughness: even if you could, it would be a 4/4 creature (take 4 from Dismember?) with -5/-5 until eot, brilliant.