EDH/Commander General

>>46448410
Love me some Sunforger

The best piece I usually slot for is Skullclamp or one of the Swords, but my favorite piece has to be Nim Deathmantle or Tenza

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Who Monoblack here

What are some good generals for Samurai tribal?

Been looking at Gahiji for RWG or Alesha for RWB currently.

>>46448629
Gahiji isn't bad but Samurai tribal won't work well. I've tried

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>>46448410
>What's your favorite piece of Equipment?
Infiltration Lens, I don't always put it in, but it works a treat in my Iroas deck. Either they let him get through, in which case they're well on their way to losing via Commander Damage, or they block him with 2 creatures, netting me 4 cards.

>>46448700
I don't mind if its shit, as it will be playing against bottom tier stuff like

>axe themed deck
>gardening themed deck
>snake tribal
>werewolf tribal
>another werewolf tribal

>>46448808
>gardening themed deck
kek, how does this even work? Just loads of Plants?

>>46448529
Getting there. I don't know what I would do though, I'm so used to aggro

The suicide/aristocrats routes seem appealing though

>>46448410
Explorer's Scope

Dat colorless ramp doe

>>46448843
Budoka Gardner commander?

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>>46448856
Just buy the EDH Ob Nixilis Deck and replace Ob Nixilis with Sheoldred.

you'll win everytime.

>>46448859
>that and Sword of the Animist
Oh boy, that's happening now

>>46448529
I want to build black Sidisi.

>>46448889
But I want to go balls-out death or glory mode, will it let me do that?

>>46448879
please dont tell me youre trying to force a meme

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>>46448906
what is "balls-out death or glory mode?"

>>46448906
THIS GUY

GO
FUCKING
CRAZY

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>>46448942
FUCK I FORGOT MY PICTURE

>>46448934
>what is "go big or go home"?

>>46448934
Either win in spectacular fashion or crash and burn horribly

While running at full tilt the entire time

>>46448899
I base her around a bunch of black wincons, and play around on which method to play or tutor up.

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>>46448998
>>46449019
Childish. But yes, simply replacing Ob Nixilis with Sheoldred in the retail Black EDH deck will make that deck pretty brutal near the endgame.

You end up ramping black mana fast enough to get her out nearly turn 4. With tweaks to it you could probably go faster of course.

>>46449071
>Having fun any other way is childish
Gotta love mature mono-black players

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>>46449232
I love me.

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>>46448965
>>46448906
This guy has it right.

Who's the most "DO OR DIE" commander in each color?

My nomination for Red. There hasn't been a game yet where I don't win or die taking everyone else with me.
If you can't judge when to go in, you lose.
If you can't judge when NOT to go in, you can't win.

Two days ago I took a 35 minute turn that involved Probability Storming into Mana Geyser, Insurrectioning everyone's stuff, casting most of my entire deck (through the Probability Storm), and trying not to die to the Final Fortune trigger that was waiting at the end of the turn.
Can't win through combat damage: someone flipped a counterspell into a fog two spells into the turn. Managed to get there with Chandra's Ignition and a deck full of pump spells.

>>46449298
got a deck list for zada? I love his ability but i feel he is a mere shadow in comparison to krenko

>>46449427
That's not really a fair comparison since they're totally different decks, with the only similarity is that they want to culminate in a combo. She is much worse than Krenko or Purphoros or even Daretti as far as mono-red commanders go, though.

>>46449427
>he

Yeah, sure.
You're not wrong, Krenko is WAY better at winning games. The number of times I've landed Krenko and thought to myself "Holy shit, why am I not using him instead" is...too often.
That said, Zada has access to a toolkit that Krenko doesn't. She doesn't depend on combat quite as hard as he does, and she makes shitty cards playable (which is fun).

Here's a mostly up to date list. I've got a few changes I've already made (Dropped Eldrazi Monument and Unstable Obelisk, added Expedite and Goblin Piledriver amongst other things).
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zada-ink-treader/

There's another anon here who runs a list that's a bit more storm-y, with rituals and such. I'll probably pick up some of the cards for that list and test them out. I've heard Battle Hymn is great.
It's a fun deck, but don't expect to pick up free wins after the first time. My playgroup has started killing Zada as soon as she drops, since I tend to win if she stays on the field longer than a single turn.
>>46449554
Eh, there's a good bit of overlap. They're heavy on tokens, they wanna go wide, and depend pretty heavily on their commander to really shine.

>>46449554
only reason why i compare them is because they have sorta the same strategy
>token generation
and thats really it
krenko is just meant to multiply more
Zada is for more instant and sorcery

but none the less they are both pretty suicide red.

>>46449601
Also, secret tech of the deck:
Fiery Gambit. Some days it's 2R: Do nothing, and some days it's 2R: Draw 18 cards, float ~25 mana.

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Well this was a card I didn't expect to trade for tonight, but now I have a mighty need to build a deck for her.

Anyone got ideas? Pointers? Lists? Anything really. Yes I know she is shit but I don't care.

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>>46449298
Kresh distinctly has that flavor. As friends and foes die around him, he just gets MOAR STRONK

>>46449944
make her a spell slingin poindexter, type deck. attach dualcasting on her and have fun!
http://www.edhrec.com/commander/Chandra,%20Fire%20of%20Kaladesh/

anything that will copy spells for you is basically what you want

>>46449944
I'm glad Flamecaller finally delivered another actually above average planeswalker for Chandra. At 6 cmc no less. Maybe they should just stop making Chandra's that do nothing but burn.

>>46448529

Lilifag reporting

>>46450075
Jace rules lili drills
Suck it, other flipwalkers

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>>46449944

I had a Chandra deck for awhile.

Use pic related and thank me later.

>>46450088
Autocorrect strikes again, yet it still works.

I recently discovered how great Lin Sivvi is at playing silver bullets and staying alive, but how am I supposed to wrap up the game? Basically what are the best mono-white finishers?

>>46450293
Elesh Norn will mess a bitch up pretty good, potentially. It has a way of decimating opponents while simultaneously putting you in the position to alpha strike. I'm assuming you have a decent number of rebels running around on board.

Alternately, mirror entity can be a force to be reckoned with late game when you're sitting on like 10ish mana.

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Been playing Zurgo Helmsmasher lately and digging it, I'll let /tg/ in on a bit of secret tech that most tron might appreciate.

>>46450443
Run that in Noyan Dar, does wonders.

its all about Krenko life doo

>>46450473
NoTW is bad is a blue deck. If you need a free counterspell Foil does wonders.

>>46450443
Most of the time, you're probably better off running Faith's Shield.

>>46450602
Noted, I think I just love the flavor of not of this world for EDH.

Uh I utterly end your orc warlord charging in on my face, sorry man this orc is not of this world, that shit doesn't resolve.

>>46450684
Yeah, I get where you're coming from, and I used to run it, but then I realized Faith's Shield can also protect your other shit, as well, not just your general.

>>46450558
It's a free fucking counterspell that gives something 3 counters, why would I not run many?

>>46450863
Too situational.

>>46450870
I don't think you've ever played Noyan Dar.

>>46450443
shit son that's spicy

>>46450899
No, I have, and I don't enjoy sitting on a counterspell I can't cast until I'm able to obtain a boardstate and start swinging at my opponent (usually turn 8-9).

>>46450933
>turn 8-9
>it takes you 4-5 fucking turns to cast three instant/sorceries
Yeah okay fuck off shitter.

>>46450933
Friend, you cannot win a Noyan Dar game without a big ol' land swinging around. The card is a free way to dodge removal of your win-con. I do not understand how you think this is not worth it.

Your voltroned up land is obvious removal bait, having a counterspell to protect is just good sense and will come up pretty much every game. And this counterspell is free.

>>46450986
Who needs to win quickly? I'm not casting my commander until I know I can properly protect him. He is more important that any land I may try to beef up.
>Tapping out to cast a 5cmc commander
Nah, you fuck off, kiddo.

>>46450989
I understand, but I'd rather just run Foil, FoW, Misdirection, etc. hell, even a Daze would be better.

>>46451059
>no ramp at all
>complains about free counterspells
>complains about tapping out to cast commander
Are you retarded?

>>46450005
>>46450097
Thanks for the suggestions. So far I've decided to either go for a spellslinger deck, or a big X deck, so far I'm leaning towards the latter since it probably fairs better in multiplayer. Not too interested in french.

Edh General is so mean
Edition

>>46448629
I'd go with Alesha and call it a day.
Jor Kadeen might be cool with that sweet +3/+0 from metalcraft.
Karona if you are feeling saucy.

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>>46448410
>>What's your favorite piece of Equipment?
Because everyone runs nonbasics and no one expects it.

>>46448965
Kuro, Pitlord was what I used in my Through the Breach/Goryo's Vengeance deck back when Kamigawa was the most recent block. Getting to clear out the board before swinging always felt really good.

It was a total jank deck but Through the Breach and Goryo's Vengance have skyrocketed in price since then so I've always considered it one of my best decks just based on return on investment

Can anyone take a glance over my werewolf deck? I'm sure people are sick of seeing it already, but I got a ton of them in foil after the prerelease and I wanted to cobble something together that may be fun.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-04-16-werewolf-edh/

Suggestions? Cuts/adds? Thanks.

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I'm thinking of getting an entire EDH deck printed (for casual play, with people who are cool with fakes) with Deep Dreamed art.

Suggestions for commander?

>>46451864
Coat of arms and Avacyns's Collar

>Path to Exile
>was $5
>went up to about $8
>is now over $10
>meanwhile, the superior spell, Swords to Plowshares is sitting at roughly $2

Can someone explain this?

sorry to ask again, I'm making a Jori en deck, I'm new to this, and after i posted last time, i got cut off the internet so i couldn't read the comments
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jori-en-draw-diver-1/
i made a few modifications

>>46451971
>one was printed 50 times
>one was printed like 4 times
not much to explain desu

>>46451971
>>46451983
Also path is modern playable and swords is not.

>>46451927
Intet the Dreamer, duh.

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>>46451927
some more deep dreamed card for bampu

I traded a Westvale Abbey for a Blightsteel Colossus. Did I do good /edhg/?

>>46451528
Why not just run whispersilk cloak?

>>46451927
Nightmare tribal, obviously.

>>46452245
1 mana cheaper, it can make a difference.
Why not both?

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>>46451927
Arjun, the Shifting Flame with all the blue-red cards you can find. Vote Izzet for best color scheme.

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>>46451927
esper subgame inception, use twincast and rebound giving shenanigans for splinter games.

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>>46452899
1. Thankfully, not EDH legal.
2. Pic related.

>>46452212
Westvale is $17 and dropping, Blightsteel is $20.

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>>46452929
1. casul format deck, anything goes
2. at least im not doing the "i rip your whole deck into chaos confetti combo because unhinged" level of dickery, no sir

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>>46452983
>casul format deck, anything goes
Including other players ganging up on that one asshole who brought Shahrazad.

>>46448529

I've been known to mono-Black from time to time...

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/offerings-of-blood/

Am I right in thinking Gitrog Monster, Skirge Familiar and the dredge land basically goes infinite? (as long as you dont deck yourself) Throw in Syphon Life and you've got a mean combo.

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>>46448529
I actually came here to ask about mono black
Does anyone have advice for iname?

>>46453957
Mortal Combat for the gimmick win. Living Death effects are amazing. You need an Elixir of Immortality or Eldrazi in there because if your graveyard gets exiled after using his ability you lose.

>>46453931
There's nothing stopping you other than your deck size. Run something to shuffle your graveyard back in. Gitrog Monster just has insane synergy with so many cards. Life From the Loam and any discard outlet is insane. I have Cadaverous Bloom in my list. Obviously the exiling doesn't interact with Gitrog directly but you can use it generate a shitload of mana if you can't manage to go fully infinite and just burn out the table with Insanguinate anyways. My favorite wincon is Lich's Mirror + Pestilence, though.

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Haha time for EDH

>>46454298
Looks like a good mix of decks
good job.
Were you trying to go for an mix of powerlevel? and if so how did you choose the decks you built?

>>46454429

I did go for a mix of power levels, it's nice to be able to play with different groups sometimes. I had about 15 decks at one point, these were the ones I enjoyed the most. I took most of my decks apart because I never ended up playing them, so I just cut them down until I had enough that I didn't get bored with them, but not so many that it felt like some decks never got used.

>>46454298
List of Lyzolda, please

>>46454725

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/22-03-16-lyzolda-the-blood-witch/

There you go bro.

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Why is this card 5 bucks? Is it just collectors because it's got cool art and the nice frame?

>>46454903
>gravestorm
>3 drop
>literal pick and choose what to remove from a deck

>>46454903
>Why is this card 5 bucks? Is it just collectors because it's got cool art and the nice frame?
its because it can really ruin a lot of people's days after a boardwipe or god forbid an Armageddon.
also it goes infinite with sharuum + phyrexian metamorph.

Can anyone explain me why Jenara is on the watchlist? Shes a 3/3 flying with a counter ability, how is that in anyway op or oppressive?

>>46455225
>Can anyone explain me why Jenara is on the watchlist?
french is full of complainers, she was a very common deck that plays goodstuff well and is a constant mana sink, which helps with efficiency.

So A). people are sick of seeing it B). flexibility.

>>46455279
arent a lot of commanders exactly that? I know several people who only play their commander for the colors and so they have something to cast if they dont have the right cards

Who's better, Vryn's Prodigy or Teferi? Jace seems kind of unimpactful for Commander, I know he's a cross-format all-star but he seems better in faster, 60 card formats. Teferi does build into a slightly different deck but the idea is still mostly mono-blue control, Teferi just plays with a heavier mana rock commitment I think. Teferi feels stronger to me, and he has slightly more tops on mtgtop8. But I've been seeing people talk about Jace as the mono-blue commander of choice rather than Teferi, and Jace is gaining on him. It's been a while since I've seen a new Teferi top. Is Jace better in duel since it's a faster format than regular commander, and maybe Teferi is better in multiplayer? Teferi feels really strong to me when I play him, and I just can't imagine Jace having nearly as much impact. Jace feels like a great value card but not an especially insanely strong commander.

>>46455410

Teferi by a mile.

>>46455410
Just realized it might be unclear but probably not to those who keep up with duel commander, I meant Teferi, Temporal Archmage and not Mage of Zhalfir

>>46455290
Yep, a lot of commanders are like that. Jenara is just the most common in Bant colors and they're watching out for UG commanders especially. Jenara is the one least deserving to be on the watchlist I think for most people.

>>46455410
Depends on how competitive you want to be.
the JVP hightide storm deck is usually faster but teferi walker does lockout better. If you arent playing that kind of competitive edh its all about your preference, this is a casual format after all and both options are actually quite good and you would likely be playing both regardless of who is the commander.

Hey, tell me a fun monocolor commander that doesn't run any of the standard good stuff?

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Alyi, Tesa orzhav scion or Atheros, I cant decide. Why would I run instead of the other?

>>46455496
Well, I was asking because I do care about competitive and I like both cards and both are mono-blue control decks culminating in some sort of combo to win. My only problem is Jace is a million billion trillion dollars and I already have Teferi. But it wasn't a question about money since Teferi is still good and will b perfectly serviceable until I can get a Jace, if Jace is actually better. But I was interested in seeing a comparison between the two as I am a competitively-minded player and I have no especial preference towards one or the other. I happen to like Jace, so.

>>46455551
Ayli and Athreos are totally different decks unless we were trying to build that relentless rats cleric deck or something. If you were I think Athreos is better for that. Ayli can be cleric tribal-y but I think her best use of cleric stuff is the infinite life combo and not really dedicated stuff like that guy that pays for WB mana.

>>46448529
Seems like he wouldn't be that useful passed the first card, cost would keep going up.
Though I suppose sometimes all you need is that ONE card.

>>46449071
>He's not having fun the same way I have fun! How childish!

>>46455546
Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient

>>46455551
I run an Orzhav worship deck that's based on lifegain/lifedrain. Athreos is my commander and the enchantments and creatures all force my opponent to lose life in one way or another. Sorceries and instances are typically damage negation or removal.

With Athreos as my commander I can keep casting creatures or force my opponents to lose health. I have plenty of sorceries in the deck that return creatures in my graveyard to my hand anyway so it works out.

It's a bit slow to start sometimes but it's really devastating typically, especially in multiplayer matches of 3-4 people.

>>46455546
Most mono-red decks.

>>46455553
Well if you care about competitive decks, you are going to be paying a pretty penny for most cards in most decks. its just a fact of competitive vintage power formats.
here is a decklist
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jace-vryns-prodigy-high-tide/

>>46455546
Celestial Kirin

>>46448529
Have been for a long time.

Got a Black Mike deck thats to the point where it wins so easily that its barely fun anymore. Its really sad.

>>46455645
I've got decklists from mtgtop8. That was how I could tell how close Teferi and Jace were in tops-- Teferi has more, but only slightly, and hasn't topped in a while. Most mono-blue decks have been Jace for a while. Teferi has more lifetime but that's because he's been around longer so I'm only looking at tops since Vryn's Prodigy's been out.

>>46455546
Horobi
Actually thinking about it most of the decent Kamigawa legends fit your criteria.

>>46455546
Like every mono-red deck

Are they top-tier? No. Are they fun as hell? Yes

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>>46448529
Single black female who don't need no man reporting in.

>>46455680
I never did build that Reki deck I wanted to build.

>>46455691
Hell, Daretti is top tier, and Krenko and Purphoros are not far behind. Purphoros is pretty crazy and uniquely mono-red too.

>>46448529

Chainer and Iname here, I fucking love graveyards. Even most of my multicolour decks use the grave a lot.

>>46455715
They get pretty nuts. My friend has a Krenko deck that is the deck to beat in our group right now, and Daretti can get pretty bonkers too

>>46455617
>>46455575
>>46455551
Thought more deliberation I think I want a deck heavy on politics so Atheros might suit me more, thank you guys for helping me reach my decision.

Any one got any tips in this regard?

>>46455854
Just be sure to have a way to penalize your opponents actions through lifedrain in as many ways possible.

Extortion and other methods that involve lifegain/lifedrain are fun when using them, and frustrating for your opponents.

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>tfw have a addiction to make edh decks

Ezuri is my lease favorite desu, so narrow to build

>>46455610
>>46455631
I thought most monored ran the same artifact package.

>>46455680
>>46455657
These are good ones.

>>46455848
Everyone hates the Daretti deck in our group, because it's modus operandi is artifact ramp to play Obliterate/Jokullhaups/etc. with Daretti in play and then get him to ultimate uncontested. It's fucking miserable to play against.

>>46455911
fuck, I need to get back on working on my Marchesa Zombie tribal deck. I'm waiting to see what Eldritch Moon has in store, I'm going to be adding alot from the new Innistrad set as it is.

>>46455911
Ezuri Morphs might be fun.

>>46455911

>addiction
>four decks

Son, I just built #14 last night. You're a hobbist at best.

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>>46456011
This DESU lads
just finished building the 10th planar/invasion dragon deck.
>tfw you will never have less than 11 decks put together at any given time
I refuse to breakdown even the worst of these (im looking at you darigaaz infect)

>>46455934
I swapped Daretti out for Bosh and it's a lot more fun to pilot. Way less linear, just throw rocks at people

>>46455987
Got a decklist?

>>46456191
Daretti can be perfectly fun to pilot. He doesn't have to artifact ramp into devestatian into reanimate wurmcoil engine. Reanimation can be a pretty fun mechanic. It's an issue of how you use it.
>Way less linear, just throw rocks at people
This is a contradictory statement. You can't say something is less linear than say that you "just" do something. That's how people describe linear decks, it "just" does something. I'm pretty sure Daretti's toolset is significantly less linear than that.

Hope none of you were planning on getting Thopter Foundry or Ancestral Visions.

>>46456443
>Thopter Foundry
OK, I don't see much change
>Ancestral Vision
WHAT THE FUCK

>>46456443
>>46456490
>>Ancestral Vision
this has got to be with that new eternal format right?
jumping the gun for staples?

>>46449298
>someone flipped a counterspell into a fog two spells into the turn
This is why I now maindeck skullcrack in zada. I only need damage prevention for one turn anyway, and noone in the history of ever has played around it.

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>>46456529
nvm unbanned in modern ill google before i post next time
wow im glad I bailed out of that shit format.

>>46456586
>Dread Return still banned
Why

>>46456279
I was just brainstorming. It's honestly not that hard to come up with a list yourself, fampai. Just reasearch. Look, I'll do most of the work for you:
http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3Amorph+c!ug&v=card&s=cname
http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3Amanifest+c!ug&v=card&s=cname
http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3Aface-down+c!ug&v=card&s=cname
http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3A%22turned+face+up%22+c!ug&v=card&s=cname

>>46456661
dredge
people are scared of what its capable of.

>>46456443
Good thing I bought mine a bit ago for Teferi. It was expensive but it was the DD Anthologies version so I get the nice new border and stamp and everything.

>>46456717
I know about dredge but there's so much cheap grave hate and it's still lacking powerful cards like Ichorid that I don't think dredge will be a huge issue.

>>46452212
I traded a westvale for a resto Angel, DoD I do good /tg/

>>46456773

Short run: depends on how it does in standard

Long run: probably unless it sees eternal play

>>46456768
thats why i said scared.
I dont think its a rational fear, but then again I enjoyed playing against Splinter Twin so clearly modern wasnt meant for me.

>>46456773
Why is Resto still so expensive anyway? Is it played in Modern? I don't keep track of the tryhard formats.

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>Sword of the Meek is reaching escape velocity with how fast it's climbing
From $3 to $22 and no signs of stopping holy shit

>>46456920
Speculation.
Its a beautiful thing.

>>46456947
I fucking hate speculators

>>46456995
>I fucking hate speculators
well no duh, you play edh... you actually enjoy magic.

>>46457011
I just buy shit that looks fun

>>46455911
Care to post alesha?

>>46456881
You are actually reasonable and normal for liking the Splinter twin match up. Literally the only fair and interactive deck in modern in the sea of lelinearaggroface.

>>46456947
I cant wait for speculators/hype to crash and burn after realizing that Visions is the worst top deck, and SotM combo isn't tier 1 material this day and age.

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I'm considering playing nebuchadnezzar dimir control with a heavy discard theme while playing effects like zurs weirding, telepathy, etc. Think "big brother" the deck.

My main issue is, what's the wincon?
How do I win? Not through commander damage, maybe through artifacts that do damage equal to how small their hand is? What do you think?

>>46457649
Lab man and or mortal combat

win with a "wins the game" card that feels pretty big brother to me, like they change the rules so they win.

>>46457649
Blue and black have plenty of combo wincons for you to pick from.

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Does anyone know if there's any kind of difference in between paying 0 for a spell (for example mindbreak trap) and casting a spell without paying it's mana cost (omniscience)?
I know that paying 0 means that you didn't pay any mana for the spell, for the sake of Nix for example, but is there any difference?

>>46457734
I'm new to blue black, what are degenerate "ugh" eye rolling combos I could run? The only one I know is exquisite blood and sanguine bond. I'm a scrub.
>>46457703
Thanks! I'll run both.
Should I run triskedephobia from the new set? I'm not going to look up how to spell that fucking card

>>46457158
I have not put my decklist on tapped out yet, but I thibk it's like any other but without any infinite combos and a bit more planswalkers. (Lilly vess, dark healer, newest chandra, and nahri) also sunforger in this deck is crazy. Having crackling doom at your disposal is super sweer.

>>46457825
Infinite mana via artifacts + x targeted draw spell. X draw spells also help to put cards in opponent's hands to make them discard as fuel for Waste Not and other similar cards.

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>New ban list released
>Craterhoof isn't on it

>>46458023
Green got slammed for losing Gaea's Cradle already, fuck you.

>>46456583
Why am I not running Skullcrack? That needs to go in there, along with Stranglehold and Ruination.

>>46456680
Yea I was being lazy tbqh famy, but this is a good idea and I will retool it for this. Then again I was thinking of a experinmt kraj deck with artifics/planswalkers. Mycosynth Lattice+March of the Machines+planswalkers sounds like alot of fun.

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>>46458039

>Losing Cradle

I have a question: If you drop a clone and target something that's Monstrous (like Nemesis of Mortals), does the clone enter as Monstrous or do you have to activate the Monstrosity ability?

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Shirei's pretty bad 1v1, if I don't draw right, but he's an absolute house in multiplayer games.

>>46458481
Clones only copy the base text on a card, therefore the clone will not enter with counters, nor will it be considered monstrous-- allowing you to monstrous the clone as well

>>46451952
>adding a card werewolves hate

>>46458597
>the symbol of Avacyn's church no less

>>46458597

Why do werewolves hate coats?

Someone explain to me why Mishra sees any play in EDH? You only get one of any given card, so why is finding another copy of a card you play a good thing?

>>46458686
He doesn't really see much play. But his ability combos or interacts well with a couple enchantments, like Possibility Storm and Nether Void.

>>46458686
Every goddamn thread. I'll give you one card, you figure out the rest:
>possibility storm

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What has better synergy with Kuldotha Forgemaster, Pentavus or Myr Battlesphere?

>>46458953
Myr Battlesphere.

>>46458953
Thopter Assembly

>>46458597
>except that one werewolf
>but we don't talk about her

>>46458953
Like most questons that involve the Battleball, the answer is always Myr Battleball.

>>46458686
Planar Chaos, Nether Void, Possibility Storm, Blood Funnel, Nullstone Gargoyle, Ice Cave, Grinning Totem, Praetor's Grasp, Thada Adel, Acquisitor

Now you do the rest.

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So, /edh/, any new toys for your existing commander decks from Shadows over Innistrad? Pic related is one of the funnier enablers in my Rakdos deck. To quote one of my opponents a few games ago, "we could attack each other so we're not at 13 anymore!"
Sin Prodder is pretty sweet in it as well. Give me a card, or get my pain count going. Very cool card. Here's the list if you wanna make a few suggestions: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/riggidy-rakdos/
Another card I gotta grab some copies of is Cryptolith Rite. What about you guys?

>>46454298

Rei>Asuka

>>46460330
I have a Trostani deck based on a combination of shitting out a truckload of big tokens to increase my life ridiculously and the combination of multiple mass removal and the ability to recover board state faster than the opponent.

Descend upon the sinful and Second harvest are godly in it.

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>>46448529
I sure as hell mono-black

Tribal Mass Removal is fun

>>46452245
People gloss over the boots so it draws less heat. Everyone has seen Whispersilk Cloak a million times.
Plus shroud can be a pain for yourself at times.
>Sure I'll just equip something else to-
>shroud
Fuck.

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Alright /edhg/
How do I Radha?

>>46460701
I want to fuck Radha.

>>46460330

Liliana is getting a bunch of new madness spells, which is excellent.

Radiant might get a few angels.

I have an Arlin that will go into Ulasht if I don't throw it in the trash.

Still need to think about the rest

>>46455987
>>46456680
>tfw i do
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shitty-morph-deck/

>>46460330
Obviously the Gitgud Monster for my Sidisi deck. But I also want Epiphany at the Drownyard, Rise from the Tides and Corrupted Grafstone for it.

>>46460701
If you want a super janky and awful idea, I considered making a Radha Heroic/Prowess deck once. Lots of little pump spells that she could pay for, between her two modes you'll basically always have a free pumping cantrip for combat. Never got working it 100% because it's awful.

>>46460823
Are there many targets for Rise from the Tides in Sidisi? She seems like a deck that'd rather opt for a creature than a spell.

>>46460868
Spider Spawning, Fact or Fiction, Mulch, Forbidden Alchemy, etc. The usual suspects in a self milling deck. It won't be an explosive amount of Zombies, but I'm sure you'll get like 3-5 out of it on average which is pretty good for 6 mana.

>>46460817
Ixidor is a big ol' non-bo with Ezuri. Too afraid of drawing hate to put the ol' Brine Elemental + Vesuvan Shapeshifter combo in? Bounding Krasis seems incredibly low impact. Not exactly the kind of card you're looking for in EDH. Tide Drifter might be nice to make your morphs more resilient.

>>46452899
If you're not using Burning Wish to pull Shahrazad into its own subgame to use it again you're not doing it properly.

>>46461230
Ixidor is more of a silver bullet and I usually chump block with ezuri before I play him.

>Brine Elemental + Vesuvan
I'd just be running eye navigator if I wanted to be a blue asshole.

>Bounding Krasis
Yeah hes pretty low impact, I need to switch him and some other low power morphs with more flash creatures with effects. I just like having creatures besides morphs to mix things up

>Tide Drifter
Thanks anon, I still need to look for more cards that buff colorless cards, I'm missing a lot of them probably

>>46461336
>>46461230

>Ixidor
whoops I was thinking Ixidron. For some reason I almost never actually draw ixidor, but perpetually get ixidron. And yeah he's an intentional non-bo. I don't always want to win anon, i just want to flip cards

Is there any reason to be playing Ezuri as your Morph commander instead of Kruphix or something? The extent to which Ezuri works with morphs is that you can make creatures that might not trigger him get you an experience counter. I think you'd be better off just not playing more morphs than you have to and filling that out with utility creatures or something, then use Kruphix to float excess mana to cast morphs cheaper, if you have to stick to just UG.

>>46461395
>playing a morph deck
>trying to be competitive

I might actually try kruphix though, but a shitton of mana verses big morphs is hard choice. Giving your 2/2s more suvivability is nice, but being able to flip more cards could be nice

>>46461453
Ezuri makes everything big, it doesn't have to be morphs. And you should probably be winning via some infinite combo or something anyway rather than trying to get through a big duder and kill people one by one. And you can still play Ezuri in that deck anyway. Kruphix in my opinion feels more like a mana-generating engine for morphs that they should probably have as often as possible to fuel their extreme mana inefficiency. Ezuri would be just one of many options for win conditions.

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thoughts on pic related? I ran him for awhile because i like his abilities and his recursion by being able to target himself, it was basically green goodies/voltron.

>>46461547
Absolute shit.

>>46461525
>ve to be morphs. And you should probably be winning via some infinite combo or something anyway rather than trying to get through a big duder and kill people one by one. And you can still play Ezuri in that deck anyway. Kruphix in my opinion feels more like a mana-generating engine for morphs that they should probably have as often as possible to fuel their extreme mana inefficiency. Ezuri would be just one of many options for win conditions.

play Sage of Hours with Ezuri

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>>46448529
best girl reporting in

>>46461525
>trying to convince me I should try to win with something not a morph in a morph deck
I could easily throw in some degenerate combos but I'd rather just flip some cards and kill someone with a wall or land, giving them great shame

>>46461547
Thrun is a million times better for 1 more green mana

>>46461581
You'll still be using Morphs. Morphs may even contribute to whatever combo you use to win, like the guy talking about Unblinking Bleb or Trail of Mystery. But the biggest problem with morphs is that they're terribly inefficient, and Kruphix eases that. Ezuri doesn't really fix any problems morphs have, and has the barest of synergy with them really that doesn't equate to much more than "morphs are grey ogres and Ezuri wants you to play with small creatures". You may as well play Edric or something. I just think Kruphix has more synergy with what morphs want to be doing. That's just my opinion, though.

>>46461675
>like the guy talking about Unblinking Bleb or Trail of Mystery
was me also.

I still might try Kruphix but not add any degenerate mana production, but a LOT of the flip abilities cost mostly colored mana which could weaken it, especially a lot of the more combo-oriented ones

>>46461797
It's more just to help cast them face down in the first place. You can flip them normally, whatever. It's the additional 3 to cast them face down as well as the morph cost starting aroumd maybe tu I thinkm aybe Kruphix's biggest problem is that he may be just be too expensive. Ezuri is relatively cheap. He might not have much synergy but he's efficient and compact enough to become a threat in and of himself if he comes down on-time. Kruphix you need to build up to and then also spend a turn or two charging up mana.

>>46460701
Two ways
>burning elves
>cheat into play just-use-her-as-ramp
both are good... very good.

>>46460701

Do elves but with red cards that are good for going wide like shared animosity, and maybe even haze of rage (not an amazing card but very fun to play with)

Elves are fun because of all their little synergies and you get to play with ridiculous cards like wirewood symbiote

>>46456893
Because it's a 4 drop 3/4 blocker with flying that you can flash in and maybe save one of your guys from an unruly enchantment

>>46460767
I want her sword.
And to fuck her.
>>46460852
Well in my first draft of her I have lots of low cost red flash spells and fire breathing effects. Flash/abilities is key. Also she is very good with aggravated assault. Even though savage ventmaw does it himself.
>>46462287
Eh, I'm not a huge fan of elfball but ramp with elementals, elves and huge firebreathing drags sounds really good. My end goal is to have her standing at the front of my army with 5 swords, 3 helms and a warhammer.
>>46462677
Hmm. If there's more tribal support in red like animosity I'd try for less voltron more tribal.

I just want a deck that shows the badass Radha truly is.

>>46462869
Pair her with rosheen meanderer for some bitchin hydra tribal

>>46463951
I remember someone said they switched generals from Rosheen to Radha. I still don't get how that is a sensible change without completely dismantling the deck and building a new one.

Personally, I like Radha with Rootwalla and fire breathing effects. Braid of fire and the like.

>>46455695
>>46461576
We get it, you like Drana.

Hey EDH, I want a lower power level deck, or one that isn't Arcum tier 1 turn 3 comboesque.

I was thinking Toshiro Umezawa would be a fun, I love his art and all, but I have no direction. Anyone run him and have a list I can check out?

Thanks.

>>46448410
Sofof is usually my pick for best equipment in commander, untapping your lands for shit is always fun

>>46457235
Yeah but price memory is a thing. The sword will never be $3 again

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>>46448410
It's been a while since I played any amount of Magic so I'm probably gonna get "um actually"'d to death here but that looks like it'd pair really well with Brass Squire. You could tutor and cast two instants a turn for four mana. It'd be going a bit out of your way for something really obvious but if you could find a way to toss Rings of Brightearth in there you're paying one mana per spell.

>>46460330

Sin Prodder for Aurelia.

>>46464394
Seems like a big mana sink but you could do it no problem

>>46454952
Sharuum and metamorph dont combo though, right?

How does Brimaz interact with Stoneforge Masterwork; does he get +2/+2 from his tokens because they're both cats and soldiers?

I'm also looking for help with my deck http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lion-king-4/?cat=cost
Need some good equipment (NOT 5swords or jitte) and maybe a Leonin Shikari, but I don't want to add any cards over 3CMC

>>46464626
yeah they do. infinite death and resurrection loop. sharuum is out, metamorph comes in as another sharuum, one of them dies because legendary rule before a player gets priority, then metamorph-as-sharuum's trigger goes on the stack, targeting the sharuum or metamorph in the raveyard, it comes back, again legendary rule and etb trigger...

>>46464626
The legend rule bins one of the two before the triggered ability goes on the stack, letting you target it.

>>46464646
nice 4x 46.
it says "for each creature" and not "for each type" doesnt it? so why should it give +2 if it only counts creatures and not creature types?
now imagine your logic with changelings

>>46464646
He only gets 1 for each creature that shared a type with it, not 1 for each type that each other creature shares with him.

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>>46464255
Go for a low-power Tribal deck that isn't Slivers/Goblins/Elves/Zombies

>>46464646
>does he get +2/+2 from his tokens because they're both cats and soldiers
Yes

You might want to check out Fireshrieker, Inquisitor's Flail, Basilisk Collar, and Trailblazer's Boots if you're in a nonbasic-heavy meta

>>46464734
Gwafa Hazid has so much cool factor. How I wish he could put it on creatures you control. I don't know why he can't. Fuck you Wizards.

>>46461395
Why not just play animar? , he literally makes them cost nothing to play , then you can go off with glimpse/cloudstone curio

>>46464751
>>46464646
Disregard my first part I'm an idiot who can't read cards properly

>>46458039
in 1v1, if people actully follow its banlist

>>46464783
The same guy talking about Ezuri morph said he didn't like 3 colors. I said the same thing about just playing Animar last night.

>>46464783
you realize we're talking about a shits n giggles morph deck, it's reasonable to assume complete linear combo optimization isnt a high priority?

>>46464734
Vampires?

>>46464812
Why do people even bother having fun in ways that aren't how I have fun

>move to new city
>finally find MTG group
>all they play is EDH

Help me /tg/. Where the hell do I even start with this format?

>>46464760
>I don't know why he can't.
because if you just filed off "you don't control" he could spam bribe himself to read "UW, T: Draw a Card" which they didn't want accessible.

>>46464790
>>46464751
>>46464722
>>46464721
Thank you, I lack reading comprehension.

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>>46460701
like this

>>46465087
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense he can put bribery counters on the same creatue multiple times anyway. And if they wanted the repeatability than there should be no problem with that or just having him unable to target himself.

>>46464812
Its not "linear combo optimization", you just throw 2 cards that are pretty good already into a deck and every once in a while they'll show up, possibly together, and that changes up the game plan from one game to the next , its just variety to keep you interested in a deck.

Although I'm sure there is many ways to optimize the combo so that it goes off every game but that's hardly gonna make you want to play the deck alot if every game turns out the same and then after a month or two you'll drop it

>>46465084
ask to borrow a deck for a game, they'll be happy to see you pilot and have fun with it. try out a few decks, then itd be easiest to buy a precon. the 2013, 14 and 15 ones are all cheap and easy to find, and there's many different kinds and archetypes in there

>>46448753
>Whenever equipped creature becomes blocked by a creature

as opposed to being blocked by a land?

>>46465084
a precon is a good start or just pick your favorite deck theme (U/R Spellslinger, 5 Colour walkers or whatever) and then your deck will piece itself together naturally, try to make it so that the plan isn't the same every game though or you'll get bored

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Can someone post the Invoke Prejudice edit please?

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sidisi-bug-aggro-1/

I've decided I want to start playing with Sidisi.
How terrible at deck making did I do?

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>>46465209
Or a spell

>>46465084

Pick a commander. Add Sol Ring, 40 lands, and 59 other cards that seem to work well with the commander and each other. All the cards have to be colorless or only be colors or have mana symbols of colors that you commander is or has mana symbols of. Basically define "Color" as broadly as possible. So Bosh is red, Civilized Scholar//Homocidal Brute is blue-red, and so on.

Protip 1: Aggro is dead. Lightning bolt gets you nowhere. Tarmogoyf is merely OK. Midrange is still fine, though, and ramp is very solid.

Corrolary: Tempo is dead. Don't trade long term resources for short term gains. This goes triple in multiplayer (which is common for EDH). Dark Ritual sucks. Some argue Sol Ring is better than Lotus would be -- which is a very extreme opinion and probably incorrect but the fact that anyone in their right mind would even say that gives you an idea.

Protip 2: You need more mana rocks. Sol Ring is stronk, but filling out your deck with Mana Vault, Mana Crypt if you can get it, Worn Powerstone, sometimes Thran Dynamo, all relevant Signets, Coldsteel Heart, Commander's Sphere, Manalith, Relevant Obelisks, Relavent diamonds if you're merely one or two colors... you get the idea. You want mana rocks. It's possible to go overboard, but it's hard.

Protip 3: Be able to answer anything. Have at least one card somewhere in your deck you can draw towards to get rid of a permanent of any one type that's fucking you up. Only planeswalker can really be ignored and then only because swinging is a valid answer. Yes, even land. Have something that can take a Gaea's Cradle or Cabal Coffers off the field, even if you have to run Ark of Blight to do it (Protip within the protip: you don't). I also like to ask myself if my deck can handle a couple "Nightmare scenarios" like an indestructible Sigarda, and if it can't see if there's any way I can make it do so, if not in one step then in two.

(Continued)

>>46465342
I think "Lightning Bolt is bad in Commander" is a bit of a misconception. It's not even close to format defining like it is everywhere else it's playable but being able to ping off a utility creature or a weaker commander for 1 mana is not bad value.

I'm also not of the opinion that 3 drop rocks when a) your strategy doesn't revolve around mana rocks or b) doesn't especially suit your strategy in some other especial way are not worth playing, or C) you play 3+ colors and even then.

>>46465342

Protip 4: Mass answers are good in multiplayer. MP is the assumption for EDH, if you're playing 1v1 you can ignore this. But multiplayer means clogged boards and EDH means mana efficency is nothing next to card efficiency. Don't run Journey to Nowhere when you can run Wrath of God or Final Judgment. Combined with tip 3, cards like Oblivion Stone, Nevinyrral's Disk, All Is Dust, and Wave of Vitriol are your very good friends. I personally slot Disk into every EDH deck I build because it's the colorless budget option, but that's a matter of personal preference.

Protip 5: Things that are Stronk.

Tutoring Stronk. Another card I love inordinately much is Planar Portal. Yes, it's 12 mana to fire off your first Demonic Tutor. But it lets you Demonic Tutor an infinite number of times in literally any deck.

Combo Stronk. Combo-kills are how EDH games don't go about an hour per player. Of course, if you combo off turn 3 everyone will soon hate you, so approach with caution in an unknown playgroup.

Ramp Stronk. Barring combo you have a LOT of extra time compared to a normal game, getting something huge and stupid out isn't just viable, it's game winning

Mass Land Destruction Stronk. MLD counters Ramp strategies. If you're in white and/or red it is your right. Some people will still hate you just for running armageddon though, so as with combos be careful, though if you use it primarily defensively they can suck it up and git gud.

Card Advantage Stronker than Ever. The more you leverage off of each card, the better you are at winning the long game and crushing your foes. So draw more, get x-for-1, and grind your opponents out so they have nothing left when you still have something.

can anyone give me some ideas of cards to stop opponents casting more than two spells, that are R/G colours? I dont want my werewolves to transform >:(

>>46465969
There's mostly only stuff that discourages the opponent from casting spells like Ruric Thar and stuff that prevents them from casting during your turn. Werewolves are kind of shit like that. Wait for Eldritch Moon to see if we get the Werewolf legend that prevents transforming.

>>46465084
Get premade (Golgari or Izzet from newest set or Red from the planeswalker set are most fun and easy to make actually powerful) and start modifying. I'd personally do this for at least a few games before making one from scratch. It can always be a backup deck if you move on from it quickly, always nice to have more than one.

>>46466087
Also I agree with this. The precons are pretty good for precons. Besides them, the 2014 green deck is good out of the box but is expensive to optimize.

I can only have one guys, since I want to limit myself on making more edh decks.

Which is the best Precon out of the three? The Oloro, Grixis or the Golgari one? Preferably out of the box.

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>Finishing up my Mishra deck for Urza Bros shenanigans
>Come to the realization that 3 of my 4 decks feature some combination of Red, Blue and/or Black with no White or Green

So what should I do next for a deck? I was thinking either G/R Landfall or W/R Angels but I'm kinda stumped at the moment. A W/G/x commander would be a plus

>>46465226
>5 Colour walkers
Don't do this degenerate crap

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>>46448410
>What's your favorite piece of Equipment? The one you usually try to find a slot for?

This guy right here.

>>46466531
My gut says the the Meren deck is strongest out of the box, since the precons for the last two years have been better designed the previous ones, but the other two have probably some better singles even though decks play worse. And Oloro/Sharuum are probably the best commanders, though Meren and Nekuasar and not terribly far behind.

>>46466631
Build Marath for WRG
Altrrnatively, Sisay or Saffi. I plan on building Sisay myself since I wanted to build Reki but he's shit so there's no lists to rip off and I'm not confident enough in my game sense to build his deck. Sisay doesn't really build like him but eh. Sexy brown lady at least.

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Post that card that you'd love for your deck but it will never be reprinted

>>46460701
I run her as an aggro deck with mass LD, usually end up casting her T2 into a Deus of Calamity or Xenagod T4, then try and Ruination/Tectonic Break. Only really shines in 1v1 but thats mostly what I play anyways.

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>>46467444

>>46467498
Isn't Magus of the Abyss straight up better?

>>46467514
You'd say that, but then Magus can be also targeted by himself if there are no other legitimate targets left. Creatures are easier to get rid of as well.

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>>46467444
>>46467498
Why is Legends the best block ever

>>46467556
slap some boots on him. Plus he can be reanimated, cheated into play, and tutored more easily than an enchantment.

>>46466531
I'd go with Oloro's deck personally. Oloro himself is one of the folks listed on the big list of butthurt ("Commanders who deserve their bad reputation") and his deck comes with the exceedingly powerful Sharuum as well. Meren might be slightly tighter out of the box, but I feel like her max potential is lower.

>>46467886
Oloro's deck is a mess. Doesn't know if it wants to be lifegain or artifacts. Also, it has way too many cards that are simply bad or pointless; the two newest sets tend to not have these.

You guys think west abby, that new saccing transforming land will go up or down in price?

>>46467999
I think it's pretty good but I don't know if it's currently hyped for standard or not. That will have the biggest effect on price. But it's only a rare. It probably won't get too expensive after prerelease hype even if it does end up good.

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I've been really focusing on making Daxos good and so far he's been doing quite well. He's by no means competitive, but I wonder if could be made into a competitive commander. My trick is to get him out early and play cheap spells (some that flicker and bounce) to start pumping out experience counters and getting out tokens. I love a good beat down deck and Daxos does work.

Any ideas on how to make him better? Is there a way to flicker my enchantments so I get more experience counters?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/daxos-shamaxus/

>>46466061
ive already got a ruric thar werewolves deck lol

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>>46467999
>>46468041
>MFW I preordered Wesvale Abbey for cheap the day before its price tripled overnight

>>46468057
Flickering your enchantments does nothing, you have to cast them to get counters. Bounce, cast from GY, that sort of stuff. I know blue could do it but I can't remember any way to spam recast enchantments in Daxos' colors. the Urza's block enchantments that come back when they die could help though.

>>46467886
>>46467927
>>46466817

Thanks for the input guys. I'm gonna try and make a Meren/Golgari deck from the precon.

I was actually planning to make a Purphoros deck, but after many playtesting from tappedout made me realize it was so boring. Hopefully, Golgari grave shenanigans will be fun.

>>46468269
>I'm gonna try and make a Meren/Golgari deck from the precon
Be aware that a ton of new players are doing this. He's really, really popular.

>>46468269
I don't know how good the deck is personally out of the box, I just know from last year's that they are improving the precons a lot, and Meren is the probably best of the new Commanders. Just know the fixing for these decks is atrocious. They give you fucking Vivids.

>>46468491
>They give you fucking Vivids.
Never understood why wizards gives such terrible manafixing for 2 colour decks, honestly you can work it with just basics if you were so inclined.

Is mono-black aggro a thing in EDH? I like playing black but I've never built it for this format

>>46468528
it is when you make it mono black infect

>>46468528
Aggro in general isn't a thing really. The best mono black decks lean especially towards the control-combo side of things. There's Skitheryx I suppose but that's more like a control deck with Skitheryx as your finisher

>>46468528
Skittles brah

>>46468592
>Aggro in general isn't a thing really
Voltron tho

It's not top-tier but it exists

>>46468682
Decks that attempt to go wide with tokens or even weenie decks "exist" too.

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>>46468765
token decks just seem to durdle until they can deliver a giant haymaker finish with an absurd number of tokens at once

>>46468491
At least it's not the old monocolored karoos. Hooooly shit those are bad.
I like the vivids for the art. They've saved me a few times too.

Hey all, I'm building a Jeleva deck who's premise is to only steal or copy my opponent's things, with a slight wizard and morph creature subtheme. I started building the deck full of clone and copy effects, but while expanding outwards I ran into a problem of having WAY too many potential cards. The current deck (excluding basics) is here, and I need to cut ~50 cards. Any suggestions for where to start?

decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/178837

>>46468827
I'm not sure if that was meant as a counterpoint or just a statement of fact or... What.

>>46468842
I'm actually stupid enough to be playtesting one of those in Teferi just because I am an idiot and it generates extra mana on untap. That was how I found out how shit they were compared to the Ravnica bounces.

>>46468872
I meant it as a counterpoint

I don't think token decks fit a conventional understanding of aggro.

They hold back for one giant swing rather than flungeing with reckless abandon like a more normal aggro strategy.

>>46468872
Token is combo.

The proper analogues to aggro are Infect, Voltron, and Midrange/Ramp

So, I recently got the new SoI Avacyn, and I'm debating between her and Gisela for my W/R deck. It's a heavily altered Kalemne deck (More on Board Presence than mass wipes).

Gisela has been great so far with keeping me alive and other stuff dead, but it's a little bit or miss depending on whether or not I can get Incubator and other Artifacts out early. Avacyn seems much more reliable, just a bit less lasting.

Having both on the field seems utterly fantastic, however.

>>46468891
So... You actually meant to imply tokens aren't an aggro deck?

This is what I mean about aggro as we know it in 60 cards doesn't really exist. Voltron is typically a control shell with the commander as a consistently accessible end game threat, tokens and weenies are usually part of a combo deck that probably use tokens as the plan b if a combo doesn't occur, like Krenko or Purphoros.

>>46468937
>So... You actually meant to imply tokens aren't an aggro deck?
Yes

I think I got my head scrambled in this conversation and lost the central argument

>>46468932
Does control decks ending games with Pearl Lake Ancient make them an aggro deck because they killed via combat rather than combo?

>>46468843
Here's the tappedout link

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ms-steal-yo-deck/

>>46468885
I actually think I have a use for them - a landfall deck that uses amulet of vigor, Like Karametra.
And even then I bet they're so-so at best.

>>46468932
Infect is a combo deck.

>>46468973
Hardly equivalent. Infect, Voltron, and Midrange all plan to swing repeatedly, potentially still on a congested board. They tool (or can tool) to win through quality and smashing face, rather than winning via neutralizing their opposition. The opposition isn't in a neutral state, it's just not of relevant strength.

>>46469053
at this point what isn't a combo deck

>>46460330
Altered ego for my vorel 'needs a calculator for all these counters' deck

Gonna be real spicy

>>46468959
My point is really just that I don't believe Voltron typically isn't really an aggro deck jn the same way tokens in Commander aren't an aggro deck. But if one is considered aggro for commander both should be. Sometimes Voltron has to rush it's kill because it's not drawing enough interaction to keep people off its back and sometimes tokens can't draw a combo and get past hate and have to use Krenko and lords to do things the hard way, for example. But neither is the ideal for those decks.

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Holy shit.

This is the most fun I've had playing mono color.

Secret tech that isn't dragons and tel - jihad stylus etc?

>>46469076
Almost nothing in Commander. It's pretty hard to kill 2-3 other people at 40 each otherwise. Control decks have the option of funneling resources to the point no one else can do anything and slowly beat everyone to death with an Eldrazi or an equipped dude or something though. It's just a very slow way to kill a table.

>>46469053
I wouldn't call using tainted strike or triumph of the hordes with a big creature "combo".

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>>46469147

>>46469215
?

That Isn't even red.

>>46469067
The comparison was to Voltron, not Infect which I believe is typically a combo deck anyway. And midrange is it's own deck type to begin with. I don't think aggro's definition is as broad as "deck that wins through swinging a couple times with combat damage" and I suppose "through a congested board". Midrange is really not a similar thing to aggro IMO.

>>46469191
How is it not if making tokens and then using craterhoof is?

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>>46469247
Oh, I thought you were referring to secret tech in general.

Closest thing I can get for red, but I got no mono-red tech right now.

>>46469284
That's a really bad tech.

>>46469315
But muh pro red...

>>46469329
Your bolt can't target creatures with pro red even with that card.
"10/4/2004: Does not make red and black spells and permanents colorless. They still have color. A red spell can't target a creature with Protection from Red due to this. The spells just act like colorless sources when dealing damage."

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>>46469284
Ah, no worries.

I am building a metal Mogis deck though, so if I can find away to abuse ghostly flame I will because it looks metal as fuck. Cheers.

Here's some all colour tech.

>>46469358
Wat

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>>46469369
Moar tech

>>46469386
It DEALS damag as colorless. It's not considered colorless until it's resolved. Have you read the card?

>>46469147
Does this guy work with Sundial? i.e. put the exile trigger on the stack then end the turn with Sundial?

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>>46448529
yes

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>>46469398
Don't ever see this card but it's pretty good value.

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>>46469369

>>46469423
Yes it does, I already have sundial in there.

It's quite cheeky. I like it.

As you say though, it has to be done in the end phase when the trigger is on the stack.

>>46455581
Besides, you can just dump her to the graveyard and recur her later if needed be.

One Card being Necropotence, Diabolic Revelation, etc.

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>>46469433

More tech.

>>46469481
>black Propaganda with minor drawback

Neat

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>>46469512
I thought so too, also there's this nasty piece of business.

Probably not that useful outside of duel commander, but black control appeals to me.

>>46469248
I would say, though, that those are EDH's closest analogues. The easiest way to slide over the aggro mindset into a format that is inherantly inclement to Aggro.

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>>46469546
Have this then.

>>46469546
I don't hate that. It's a neat political card

Especially if you have the mana for Clockspinning and its buyback cost a couple times

>>46468057
Here's mine if it gives you any ideas. Like you said, not competitive but still very fun to play.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/an-enchanting-evening-with-daxos-1/

Hmmm.

On the topic of black control, what would be the best Monoblack commander for building a control(probably a splash of combo) deck, Geth?

>>46469433
>>46469481

Personal favorites of mine.

>>46469546
Actually, it's powerfully political in MP: Sure, in theory whoever has the most to lose will sac to keep it in the air, but that's dragging the leader down some, and if you can even bluff time manipulation, everyone will want to NOT be the targetwhen you Clockspinning or Timecrafting it out. Plus, EDH is the on format where you CAN hardcast the blasted thing.

>>46469546
This on a hasted Jeleva makes for PANIC all around. Bonus points for Reverberate/Radiate on hand.

>>46469650
I'm not a huge fan of Geth. He's probably good, but Shauku, Endbringer is really interesting do to being able to munch just about anything (exiled, no less), and in an MBC shell you shouldn't have to kill TOO much before she can swing for the commander damage win -- the only thing that slows her down is having to repeatedly murder cheaper commanders, but what's LD for if not to prevent replays? Plus 3 life a turn is way more manageable here.

>>46469655
True enough, I'll be testing it out soon too.

>>46469717
Oooh....

I actually have Jeleva too, I might see what I can scrounge up for her.

>>46469729
Shauku looks fun, but if I was looking for a bit of a lower powered commander in black I gotta go with my nigga Volrath. Mostly because I already own him and Hatred.

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>>46469783
Forgot to mention, I just finished building pic related alongsize my Zirilan and damn, he plays a lot different than I thought he would.

Sort of control-alpha strike. With a splash of infect.

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>>46469830
also moar tech

I'm working on a better banlist that works for both multiplayer and 1v1 EDH. What am I missing?

>Current List
All ante cards, manual dexterity, silver-bordered, and conspiracy-type cards are banned.

Additionally, the follwing cards are banned:
Ancestral Recall
Biorythm
Black Lotus
Channel
Fastbond
Karakas
Mox Emerald
Mox Jet
Mox Ruby
Mox Sapphire
Mox Pearl
Protean Hulk
Shahrazad
Tinker
Tolarian Academy
Yawgmoth's Bargain
Mana Crypt
Sol Ring
Mana Vault