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Whats ameikos role in rise of the runelords?

>>46444650
semen demon

>>46444650

She's only really there to provide an emotional connection to the going-ons at the Kaijitsu Glassworks.

>>46444650
She's the barkeep and the sister/target of the very first villain. That's about as far as it goes, but she's generally one of the party favorites and/or waifus since it's the first book and you're around Sandpoint for a good while.

>>46444602
Repostan
>>46444409

I'm trying to make a decent Magus character and for the life of me I can't decide if I should start as UC Rogue 3/Magus 1 or UC Rogue 2/Magus 2. On the one hand, the further I delay high-end spells the more likely it is I'll die before getting them. On the other hand, that extra +1d6 sneak attack and DEX to damage Finesse Training are looking pretty damn attractive at the early levels we're at.
What do, /pfg/ ?

>>46444713
Sneak attack isn't reliable. Dex to damage can be nice, but you can also get that with Magus 4 if you go dervish, and it gives you more spells.

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>>46444657
Turn you fuckdam trip of when you aren't meming you retarded shitposter

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>>46444698

She's also gosh darn adorable! She's really good at becoming a character's Big Sister, it's pretty much infused into the character.

>>46444698
Does or can she accompany you in your adventures?

How do I break it to my ranger player that twfing bastard swords is not a viable strategy?

>>46444755
Forgot to mention, but Evasion looks pretty nice too. Last character went down to attrition despite successful Reflex rolls, and I don't really want to repeat that particular mistake if I can help it.

>>46444822
Slap him with a CRB open to the page with TWF rules

>>46444806
Not until Jade Regent, no.

>>46444822
d10 is a big die are you sure about that

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>>46444795
Although her original art was AWFUL and also would make you feel kinda like a pedo if you romanced her.

>>46444806
If the GM wants to make it work, same as with any NPC.

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Someone posted this in the other thread and it got me thinking - what sorts of minions can a character get hold of with reasonable levels of ease/investment?

A short list would be things such as:
Combat:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/skull-ripper
Skull ripper is quite tanky, with 24AC and 112HP. 2 claws at 2d6+6, with grab and a +26 bonus on grapple checks. ~16k to make.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/golem/golem-alchemical
Random chance of 1d6 extra damage, or debilitating effect with crap save DC. Can throw bombs as a ranged touch attack with randomly determined damage type for 8d6. Costs ~18k.

Utility:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/clockwork/clockwork-familiar
Isitoq - pic related
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/homunculus.html#homunculus
Aside from scouts, what could these be used for?

Templates:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/frostfallen-creature-cr-1
Absolutely amazing since, unlike normal zombies/skeletons, frostfallen creatures retain their special attacks.

Spells:
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateMagic/spells/rapidRepair.html
Essential for repairing your constructs, 5hp/round for 1round/level

Does anyone have some other interesting constructs/undead/minions to add?

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>>46444868
>Although her original art was AWFUL and also would make you feel kinda like a pedo if you romanced her.

Anon, while I agree that original art was HORRIBLE, the hairstyle does have it's uses on grown women.

But holy shit is that art bad.

>>46444868
>that art
Dear god, is she wall-eyed?

>>46444602
Who's the most powerful character you've ever encountered, /tg/?

In my group, we have this guy, nicknamed the Destroyer of Tabletops, who's really good at breaking the game.

He made a character, probably out of some unholy combination of archetypes and 3rd party shit, that wielded the goddamn moon, and it did an ungodly amount of damage, something like 800000d6.

>>46444922

The art was made during Paizo's awkward period when they tried to make everything have a faux-cartoon style.

>>46444970
Wow, cool!
What a guy, huh?!

>>46444970
>3rd party shit
There's your problem, don't allow unrestricted access to 3pp material.

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>>46445038
Worked great for some characters, though. With some artists, I should say, since they had different people doing the same styles.

Original Lyrie still best redemptionfu

>>46444970
>no spells
He seems pretty weak tbqh

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>>46445089
Oh definitely. Shalelu still hasn't looked better since then.

>>46444713
If you are a proper level to be fighting CR10-11 enemies, you are certainly a proper level to have Dervish Dance and every other feat you need besides to be an effective Magus.

If you are fighting CR10-11 creatures at level 4, you're dead anyway, and ROGUE of all things, even Unchained, is NOT going to fix it.

>>46444822
With Effortless Lace, it totally is. Assuming EWP: Bastard Sword, of course.

>>46444623
>Is there a magic item that can hold Armor and Weapons?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/e-g/glove-of-storing
^An item that can be held in one hand with a 20 pound limit.

Could have sworn there was a neck slot item that turns into armor on command, but I cannot for the life of me find it. The idea was to wear those gloves and the amulet and you're ready for a fight whenever.

>>46444970
My level 20 wizard / 10 archmage has a demiplane-library so big and full of spellbooks and scrolls and such that several dieties have directly contacted him to make sure he wasn't going to do anything bad with it, or to try to sway him into doing so.

>>46445167
cool story bro I absolutely believe that happened

>>46445211
Sorry, "Destroyer of Tabletops"

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>>46444759
So when he is memeing, like in that post, he should keep it on?

>>46444602
>Awakened Animal Bards edition
Is that a thing? Am I a That Guy for wanting to play an awakened animal bard?

>>46445135
I was level 5, but it was a desperate-last-stand-siege scenario, so we expected to be overrun by higher level creatures anyway. And we took down most of the enemy force before I kicked the bucket.

>>46445167
Say it with me: DEI-TIES. NOT. DIE-TIES.

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>>46445240
Not him, lad.

>>46445248
Any time I see somebody wanting to play an awakened animal anything I immediately flag him mentally as That Guy.

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>>46444919
>the hairstyle does have it's uses on grown women.

Pigtails and ponytails are a sweet gift from on high.

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>>46445248
Maybe a little.

>>46445255
I don't follow how this is remotely relevant, but multiclassing Magus is effectively the worst idea possible. It pretty much ensures that anything you actually need as a Magus is not up to snuff.

>THOU SHALT NOT GIVE UP CASTER LEVELS.

Why is it that whenever I have time to sit down and work on my homebrew I have no appetite to do so, but whenever don't have time to work on it I can think of nothing else?

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People are always asking about lewd or waifus or lewd waifus, but I've got a different question!

Have you ever played a character that people assumed was lewd, but was actually completely non-sexual and in fact reacted critically to any attempts at initiating an encounter?

Botched/Failed attempts at getting a waifu/husbando are really fun stories!

Just asking again.
Kinda want to build a Charakter like Erza Scarlett . What class / item can i use to get the whole "Change Items on a whim" - Stik going?

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>>46445503
Anything involving nymphs.

Anything involving kitsune.

What would a nymph kitsune be like?

>tfw just wanted cool little minions

>>46445541
Why do people keep spelling character with a k? Is this some new joke from a thread I missed?

>>46445547

Isn't a kitsune already a nymph?

>>46445547
Nymph isn't a template.

>>46445541
SoP Armorist

>>46445552
reddit.com/r/wackytictacs

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>>46444602
>Ultimate Intrigue
>Eyebiter archetype
Unf unf
>Warlord archetype
Enf enf
>Shadow Caller archetype
Fap fap
>Maverick archetype
Quack quack

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>>46445503
I played in Way of the Wicked with a fairly standard set of teenage edgelords a few years back.

The GM, who was trying way too hard to accomodate their particular version of 'lel so ebil', wound up throwing sex slaves at the whole party while we were staying at the Big Bad Boss' mansion.

So they had their little orgies and rape scenes one by one, and then we got to my character, a tiefling proto-Red-Mantis girl who had gotten a little over-excited during the earlier fighting and was the butt of a few too many oral jokes on account of having a bite attack, but who was in the end pretty laser-focused on her religiously mandated contract murders.

So when the 'hunky' male slave started putting on the charm, she promptly told him to stand in the corner, face the wall, and shut the fuck up.

The next day she made a mention of her annoyance to the slavemaster, and the guy promptly disappeared and was replaced by a quiet maid who did the whole not-talking and pretending-not-to-be-present much better.

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>>46445547

>Non-sexual Nymphs

Reminds me of the time I made an Arthurian Knight and the rest of the party started getting confused as to what my relationship was with the ravishingly beautiful nymph that rode maiden-style on the horse beside my own. It's like they couldn't understand the concept of courtly love, that my guy wasn't interested in the fae's impressive bust or luscious silver-blonde hair.

It made me sad, really.

He was escorting her to Grungir Forest to seek a way back into the First World, she rewarded him with a single kiss and to put in a good word with the Fae in the world over yonder. He ended up marrying an entirely different nymph and fathering a half-dozen little rascals.

>>46445397
Well, if you insist, I guess I'll look into that one archetype that gives Evasion at level 7.

Probably won't even be alive until level 7,but hey, at least I'll have someone else to blame.

>>46445781
Bah, it's not like Magi are ubercasters anyway.

If you take Magical Knack, you only lose one caster level.

>>46445701
Edward Kenway looks dopey as fuck there.

>>46445833
What's a Kenway?

>>46445856

It's an English last name.

>>46445825
>thinking CL is what really matters
>not spell progression
C U C K
U
C
K

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>>46445856

>>46445781
Honestly, go read any Magus guide, or better yet, pick a less complicated class. You've got VERY strange ideas of how a Magus should work and/or how to stay alive as one, and it's unlikely to be a good match for you.

>>46445825
That was my reasoning as well. Get the free feats, Reflex save padding, and Evasion from the Rogue, and make up for the damage lost from 3 CL's with Sneak Attacks and generally ensuring actually I'll hit something rather than hoping I'll get off that one full-CL Shocking Grasp.

>>46445905
>How a Magus should work
Badly
>How to stay alive as one
Make like a rogue, only with more tricks and less actual damage.

It' not really that complicated.

>>46445926
>ensuring actually I'll hit something
I feel like you've misunderstood how either sneak attack or finesse training works, because the only accuracy boost rogue gets is already available as a feat.

>>46445926
How exactly is Rogue helping you hit anything? It's still 3/4 BAB and has no to-hit increases, or at least none in the first 3 levels.

You actually are LESS capable of hitting things than going straight Magus, because Rogue 1 has 0 BAB.

>>46445885
That word doesn't mean what you think it means. When your at your elementary school tomorrow make sure you pay attention in English.

>>46446006
Not bad b8 m8

>>46445960
Uh, what? The Magus not only does WAY more damage than any Rogue (except MAYBE that nonlethal Sap Master one with an earthbreaker) but is also much more survivable due to defensive spells and better saves.

Sneak Attack is super mediocre and cannot be counted on for a number of reasons, while a Magus can always Spellstrike + Spell Combat with Arcane Mark if he's out of other spells.

>>46445503
>>Have you ever played a character that people assumed was lewd, but was actually completely non-sexual and in fact reacted critically to any attempts at initiating an encounter?
Every single cutie I make has people assuming that because "there's no way you have no lewd intentions when playing a loli or plucky teenage girl between 13-18 dude". In truth, they are all for me and me alone. Nobody else is allowed to touch them. Not the other players, and definitely not the GM with his army of NPCs.

>>46446085
...Why would you ever cast Arcane Mark in a combat situation?

>>46446104
Because it's a touch attack cantrip. Have you literally never read anything about Magi before? This is stuff from like 2011.

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>>46446104
Because it's a touch attack, which is converted into a free melee attack via spellstrike?

>>46446104
It's a touch attack. What does the Magus really, really like being able to use?
Plus, it adds fun flavor to the attack. You're really making your mark on the world with that.

>>46446104
>>46446126
>>46446138
It's also a badass calling card!

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>>46445856
>What's a Kenway?

>>46446126
>>46446138
I stand corrected. I didn't realise you could deal normal weapon damage even without a damaging effect. Though to be fair, Weaponwand explicitly DOESN'T work that way, and that's a standard action spell, not a freebie.

>>46445125
>those ears

>>46445856
A miserable pile of pixels.

>>46446166
Also that. Every Magus is legit magical Zorro.

>>46445304
>not wanting to play an anthropomorphic animal instead

>>46446224

She's actually very sensitive about her ears.

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How much would Golarion change if PoW was an integrated part of the setting? I'm not saying every guardsman would know something out of Eternal Guardian, but the guard captains probably do, and people like captains or royal guard would be full-initiators.

>>46446404
Absolutely nothing, because as Golarion, it changes not at all.

And if we were to start taking into account THIS change, that would start a chain reaction whereby OTHER facets of the setting actually have an impact.

Doesn't work, bro.

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>>46446404
Not very much tbqh, the native casters are already so under-utilized that A 10 INT FIGHTER CAN POSE A LEGITIMATE THREAT TO THE ENTIRE PATHFINDER SOCIETY

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>>46446452
>>46446470

But a homebrew setting with PoW integrated into it would be a good idea... Right?

>>46446404
Pretty much every adventurer would either have magic or initiating. Stronger monsters (read: not mooks) would have relevant counters and/or stances.

>>46446452
>>46446470
A Golarion where initiators have always been a thing would be significantly different from the garbage can that is Paizo's canon Golarion.

Rather than saying "NUH UH CUD NEVAR HAPEN" why don't we try and think of what could be, instead of what is?

Assuming I don't care at all about the bonus feats or school powers, what's the best Paizo PrC for a Wizard?

>>46446470
Didn't someone mention the other day how someone asked the devs for like, where the legendary swordsmen are in Golarion?

They got pointed to a book with a 'You'll find them in here!'

And the highest level martial in there was like

Level 12.

>>46446500
Oh yeah, that's totally fine.
>>46446501
The Lensmaker Society overruns the Pathfinder Society because they do the same job, but more efficiently and skillfully.

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So /pfg/, how'd your sessions go this week?

>>46446517
>Didn't someone mention the other day how someone asked the devs for like, where the legendary swordsmen are in Golarion?

Isn't Sveinn Blood-Eagle a level 18 Barbarian?

>>46446501
I'm just saying that if you took into account 'Okay, this thing actually has an impact on the setting' then it raises the question as to why you're not taking into account OTHER things of the setting.

It's less egregious to have NOTHING impact the setting as opposed to ONE thing impacting the setting and NOTHING else

>>46446523
That's the stuff. Not that it's particularly difficult to be more effective and not-retarded than the Pathfinder Society.

>>46446544
I don't follow. What exactly are you trying to argue here?

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>>46446501
>Rather than saying "NUH UH CUD NEVAR HAPEN" why don't we try and think of what could be, instead of what is?

I think it would be very easy to say Brevoy would be the creators of Scarlet Throne, and the combat style would rapidly find it's way into the courts of the Inner Sea.

Iron Tortoise seems very much up Lastwall's alley, they'd make that.

Land of the Linnorm Kings? Primal Fury, easily.

Silver Crane is Mendev.

Broken Blade was made in Taldor, surprisingly, as a way for the Unbearded to fight back against armed Taldan guards.

>>46446500
I'm currently working on one myself in my free time, and I've been trying to determine how to make all the new Traditions.

The setting will even have a magical college, where those with innate magical capabilities are shipped off to learn Initiating instead, because people despise the ways of the "Fae Arts"

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For y'all who use Pathminder, I just added automatic spell list generation to the class pages. No need to manually make spell lists, just add a file for a spell with a spell list entry that matches the class and it'll show up in the list.

That said, I still need to get some of you jerks to actually help contribute content instead of just leeching.

>>46446404
Not significantly, other than to give high-end martials secret schools and the like how wizard colleges have.

The point of initiators isn't to change the fluff, it's to make the mechanics actually live up to the fluff for non-spellcasters.

>>46446517
Uh, yeah, citation needed guy, because there's four barbarians and a ranger of levels 13-18 running the Linnorm Kingdoms alone.

>>46446541
Yeh.

>>46446609
I'm saying that 'what if PoW was there' isn't the question.

The question is 'what if PoW had an IMPACT'

But if you're making PoW actually have an impact, you have to ask why nothing ELSE has an impact, like all those 20th level casters running around like ants.

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>>46446538
My Chelaxian Air Kineticist died to a Succubus because i tried to save our Elf Wizard. Later the other found out the Elfs in the castle summoned the Succubus because "Let's try this shit" and got eaten. God damn Knifeears

>>46446523
>>46446609
Pretend for a moment that I know nothing about the Pathfinder Society because I don't please help me and tell me how the Lens Makers are similar? Aren't the Lens Makers supposed to be good guys?

>>46446672
>Kineticist
Sounds like you actually owe the elves.

>>46446646
I'm not saying the strong guys don't exist, but the devs pointed them at someone who was level 12.

>>46446630
>and I've been trying to determine how to make all the new Traditions.

Traditions? What do you mean?

Like, do you mean stuff like "how to explain Silver Crane or Scarlet Throne" in the world? Because most of those would clearly evolve from normal combat styles.

>>46446672
Why were you playing a Kineticist to begin with?

>>46446611
That's the stuff. I could easily see most of this stuff, and it doesn't even really overwrite what came before. Aldori dueling nonsense could very easily just be Scarlet Throne, as the easiest example.

>>46446663
Okay, I see what you're saying now. I don't disagree.

>>46446678
PFS is a society of ostensibly Good-Neutral guys who go around and solve problems or some shit. But in practice, they are inept morons who steal from innocents and go murderhoboing around the Inner Sea.

I actually haven't read up on the Lens Makers, but they can't be anywhere near as retarded as the PFS, if only because PFS is really, really stupid.

>>46446672
How do you get killed by a succubus?

>>46446691
>but the devs pointed them at someone who was level 12.

Paizo has a really stupid understanding of power levels that probably stems from their envy towards the athletic form.

We're talking about a company that has level 18 wizards just sorta running around doing their own thing going "Wheeee~" while the most powerful chieftain in Belkzen is a level 10 Barbarian (or was it Fighter) and the admiral of Taldor's navies is a level 10 fighter.

And then you encounter Pitax that has "elite soldiers" listed as level 8 fighters. The shitty city-state in a shitty part of the world has soldiers almost as deadly as Taldor's finest, or the most brutal barbarians of Belkzen.

>>46446690
>owe elves
>not own
Nah. Fuck those guys. Smug Bastards.

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>>46446749
>That's the stuff. I could easily see most of this stuff, and it doesn't even really overwrite what came before. Aldori dueling nonsense could very easily just be Scarlet Throne, as the easiest example.

>mfw I could rename the Landsknecht prestige class the "Aldori Swordlord" and it would fit perfectly

>>46446774
Hey, they freed them from a life of living as a kineticist. Those elves are pretty much the closest thing to exalted I can think of.

>>46444713

Rogue is almost never worth it for a magus.

As other have noted, +1d6 from sneak attack is nothing. You literally have a class ability that can give you that whenever you want without having to deal with flanking bullshit. Also, you know the Arcane Mark cantrip? Boom, spell combat and spellstrike with that every attack and you get an extra weapon attack (plus the ability to magically draw "Dick" all over your enemy's face when you hit).

As for DEX to damage, just get an Agile weapon (remember, you won't be spending money on magic swords because of your arcane pool). Or as others have noted, just get Dervish Dance for the cost of two feats. You can afford this if you're starting at level 3.

>>46446788
In all honestly, you 100% could. I'm assuming Landsknecht was only used because naming shit in a game like 3.x must be STUPID hard with all the existing classes at this point.

>>46446694
No, I mean the organizations that you can join to gain access to the different disciplines. You know, like the Lens Society, Cagebreakers, and Quills? Those types of organizations

I will be keeping the Repe though, that was genius

>>46446750
Sexed to death.
Or, you know,2 claw attacks at +11.

>>46446697
Because he looked fun i loved the Flair of the class + i was just the extra.
Our party was Wizard, Cleric, Bard and Paladin so yeah.
>>46446750
Got drained and Party could do shit because we where damage from 2 Encounters before her. Wizard did just run away with clerc and Paladin under his (summond Creatures) arms and let my die there like a Bitch.

>>46446749
The Lens Makers are also in theory a society of Good-Neutral guys. They're kinda like the Free Masons if the conspiracy theories were true but, and this is important, /they were still basically adult Boy Scouts/. Their public face does stuff like support public education, vote for more just laws, campaign for reforms, etc. Their private face spies on corrupt politicians and then blackmails them into acting like good people because fuck you for being corrupt.

>>46446843
You could just break the grapple.

Or tank the shitty and weak claw attacks.

How would one go about making the worst possible gestalt build?
I know it has to be a Kobold, but what classes?
I was thinking Kineticist/Gunslinger. What do you think, /pfg/?

>>46446918
Kobold kineticist/commoner

>>46446918
Kobold Commoner/Expert.

>>46446918
Commoner/Expert

>>46446987
>>46446991
>>46447010
Can't use NPC classes

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>>46446918

Original monk (not MoMS) using Kirin Style / esoteric magus.

>>46446918
Can you use spell trigger/completion items on your spell list if you don't have the casting stat for it? If not then commoner/adept with a negative casting modifier.

>>46447023
Ahh, then I would say.. kineticist/chained monk

>>46447023
Ok so kineticist is off the table too

chained rogue/chained monk, no archetypes

>>46446844
>Got drained

Lemme guess, Dominate Person'd?

>>46447037
That sounds... usable though? I don't get it.

>>46446085
What's your take on a Magus/Arcane Tricster multiclass for higher levels?

>>46447051
Ooh, I like this one. I can take the Vow of Poverty as well

>>46447101
Chained Monk needs every stat, so you can't pour it all into CON, and needs to be in the front to use their abilities. Kineticist will burn through your meagre hitpoints like butter.

>>46447078
Yep. Really fun times. Watching for like 20 Minutes who i slowy get nomed by a fuckin Succubus.

>>46447051
>>46447116
Only if it's an unarchetyped Monk and Overwhelming Soul Kineticist.

>>46447103
...for what purpose? Not only would you need to either burn your precious feats on VMC Rogue or normally multiclass into Rogue, but Trickster doesn't progress anything that makes a Magus good.

The tl;dr is: If you want to multiclass in PF, prepare to be weaker for it.

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Is the Landsknecht prestige class worth taking? Is it worth dipping? How many levels of it should I take for my one-handed swordsman before going back to the Zweihander Sentinel?

Zweihander Sentinel 6 / Landsknecht 4 seems to give me 15 feet AoO and 10 foot reach with a one-handed sword, but is it worth losing those 4 levels of Zweihander?

>>46447147
>kineticist
He said Esoteric Magus, which is the punching one. There's a bunch of non-stacking abilities sure, but having Kirin Style plus Magus spellcasting means it's at least somewhat functional. Unless there's some weird interaction going on there I'm missing which makes it completely break.

>>46447051
That'd actually be playable though, you'd just go Str/Wis/Con, take Small but Deadly, use kinetic fist all the time once infusion specialization kicked in, and throw everything else into utility talents...

>>46447101

It's a gestalt that fucks with the class features of both. You can't combine flurrying with spell combat, and good luck using Kirin Strike effectively since even a plan magus is starved for swift actions.

Basically, you're a gestalt that's less than the sum of its (terrible) parts.

>>46445503
I made a cavalier for Reign of Winter who attracted Nadya's interests. He kindly declined, for he was married to his quest.

>>46447184
>swift actions
Kirin Strike (Combat): As long as you have at least 1 stamina point in your stamina pool, when you hit a creature you have identified with Kirin Style, you add your Intelligence modifier to melee and ranged attack damage rolls against that creature for the next 24 hours. You still can take a swift action to add twice your Intelligence modifier to damage rolls, but that damage doesn't stack with the damage from this combat trick.

So basically you ignore the monk half and just play a Magus who can get Wis to AC. It's not great for sure, but it can still work.

>>46447231
Even better with a negative Int modifier, because it doesn't show a minimum!

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>>46447214

It just feels wrong to try and fall in love with Nadya, the woman's under a lot of stress and the party's constant hijinks certainly aren't helping her strained mental state.

Besides, her husband only died like, 3 years ago, when you get to the high levels it's totally possible to resurrect him *and* her daughter.

>>46444602
Does anyone have the first three adventures for Giantslayer? They are missing from the trove.

>>46447254
I mean if you're dumping Int sure.

>>46447168
If you get the Scarlet Throne Style feats and really want to play up the one-handed weapon soldier, you really can't go wrong. The only real thing you lose from Warder with that build is Extended Defense uses and Defensive Focus range increases.

You also won't be able to get some of the later Warder abilities which are really cool, but most people never reach those levels anyway, so it's probably not a big deal.

>>46447282
As a Magus, why wouldn't you?

>>46447297
>If you get the Scarlet Throne Style feats and really want to play up the one-handed weapon soldier, you really can't go wrong.

I've been inspired by this thread to make an Aldori Swordlord using PoW.

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>>46446538
>cheer on the rest of the party as they kill a room of spooky skeletons
>do some more exploration, feel like my real PC is actually my homunculus due to how much stuff she does compared to her creater
>we find and kill a giant enemy crab
>cash in and book it from the dungeon
>tfw still not level 4, homunculus will remain small sized for now

Just another day in the life of "the most useless party member, who's also the only player actively trying to push the damn game forward"

So what in Ultimate Intrigue was actually good? Feats all seemed pretty bad but what about archetypes?

>>46447214
>>46447231

Playing with stamina rules goes a long way to make iffy builds usable. If you can't rely on this, then you're using a swift action to enchant your fists, your second turn's swift action to enter kirin style, then your third turn's swift action to get the bonus. And that's assuming you don't need a swift action for anything else, like any of several magus arcanas.

I mean, if you don't mind waiting until your third turn to be good, sure...but then why getstalt into monk at all? Magi can already take kirin style.

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aw shit I'm doing it aren't I

aw fuck I'm actually trying to build a kobold kineticist + chained monk gestalt

DAMN YOU /PFG/, THE LITTLEST CANCER PATIENT WILL SEE YOU IN HELL WHICH IS TO SAY IN A FUTURE THREAD

>>46447338
I have been trying really hard not to make a Zweihander Sentinel/Landsknecht one-armed warrior for the last couple days, so I know that feel.

>>46446857
So is this what Pathfinder Society is supposed to be like or what?

>>46447259
Don't worry, we wiped on Book 3 and she died to eternal winter.

>>46447388
My first recommendation: go with Earth for your element. That may be the best for your situation, and is most thematically appropriate for a Kobold

>>46447445
Pathfinder Society is supposed to be like that, but is a lot more amoral, incompetent, and problem-causing.

Can someone explain to me how warlord maneuver levels work?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/classes/warlord
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/disciplines-and-maneuvers/scarlet-throne-maneuvers

It says that you can use maneuvers up to your Initiator level, but it goes on a normal 1-9 level spectrum like spells. But is that to mean that when you become a 9th level warlord, you have access to all available maneuvers, despite it being a 20 level class?

In the Scarlet Lion section in particular, none of the maneuvers and stances save are in any way made more powerful or longer-lasting based on initiator level, with most of them scaling based on initiation modifier, which in Warlord's case is Charisma, and the Sense Motive skill.

Does that mean, then, that there are diminishing returns on leveling Warlord past 9, and you can multiclass if you only wanted, Heavenly blade of the scarlet throne (A 9th level scarlet throne maneuver) and 10 other maneuvers before it?

>>46447484
It works exactly the same way as wizard, cumdumpster.

>I consciously add as much diversity as I can to my writing and I don't care if people think that's "forced" or fake.

> I'm happy to be an SJW and I hope to write many Social Justice Games in the future that reach as many different types of people as possible.

- Amber Scott, Paizo writer
https://archive.is/4HIow#selection-4311.0-4311.11

>>46447423
>I have been trying really hard not to make a Zweihander Sentinel/Landsknecht one-armed warrior for the last couple days

Why? It's a very effective class.

>>46447351
Some are fluffy, some are good. Vigilante as a whole wasn't bad despite the fact it shoulda just been a feat/feat tree.

>Vigilante
Vigilante (Stalker) is Tier 4
Vigilante (Avenger) is Tier 4
Vigilante (Brute) is probably lower end of Tier 4, if not Tier 5
Vigilante (Magical Child) is low Tier 3 to mid Tier 3
Vigilante (Cabalist) is low Tier 3 to mid Tier 3
Vigilante (Zealot) is low Tier 3 to mid Tier 3
Vigilante (Warlock) is low Tier 3 to mid Tier 3
Vigilante (Mounted Fury) is Tier 4
Vigilante (Psychometrist) is mid Tier 4 to high Tier 4, maybe Tier 3
Vigilante (Wildsoul) is Tier 4
Vigilante (Gunmaster) is low Tier 4, probably Tier 5

Generally bad archetypes were like the Alchemist (Metamorph).

>>46446538
We created The Odd Couple, but with Chromatic dragons. Turns out my Halfling Diviner might actually be a Magical Girl.

>>46447568
Because I have already built FIVE level 8 characters for the game I am going to be starting next week, and I don't need another one.

Going with my Dwarf Medic for now, because my friends gravitate towards martials, and a martial healer will serve better than another tank.

>>46447572
magical child is good? when i saw the pages on it it didn't seem that great or changed to much. What makes it good?

>>46446672
So now you can roll up a good class!

>>46447259
I think the obvious answer here is to resurrect her husband and marry them both

>>46447388
>elemental ascetic Kineticist
>MoMS Monk for Pummeling Style
>Combat Stamina to make a flurry of blows as a standard action with Pummeling Style
It's doable.

>>46447643
The Summoner spell list, even Unchained, is still pretty solid. Not GREAT, but definitely T3, even if low T3.

>>46447643
It's not 'good' per se, but it's T3 on its casting alone.

Warlock > Cabalist > Zealot = Psychometrist (depends on schools picked) > Magical Child > Wildsoul = Mounted Fury >>> Gunmaster > Brute

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Which NPC in Pathfinder embodies "JUST" the most?

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What does /pfg/ think of Ssalarn and akasha, Arcforge, and Tzocatl?

>>46447484
>But is that to mean that when you become a 9th level warlord, you have access to all available maneuvers

No. Wrong. Try again.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/systems-and-use#TOC-Selecting-Martial-Maneuvers

>>46447671
Oh yea, forgot about the spell list, played a summoner for most of Rise of the runelords(Fuck giants, just fuck everything about them) so i guess I'll go for it when I can, just to try it.

>>46447699
you

>>46447703
>Tzocatl

The rolling honestly feels kind of pointless at this point.

I know they're trying to make a truenaming homage or whatever, but given that (a) it's not actually a skill roll and you have literally no way to increase it aside from extremely predictable stat and level increases, and (b) you don't get any roll penalties for re-using edicts in a day, there's literally no reason to not just use average results and skip the busywork every turn.

>>46447703
The man's as stubborn as a wall.

Talking gets you nowhere.

>>46447703
I've posted on Giant in the Playground, and I've posted in here. He ignores feedback that doesn't match his delicate sensibilities, and I'm appalled that DSP still has him writing.

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>>46447704
You know that most people who make wild claims like that haven't actually read the rules regarding them. That would require not having a kneejerk reaction to literally everything.

>>46447703
I think a Sobek Daevic is cool as fuck, but will likely never actually play with any of those things because Ssalarn is very... Ssalarn, I guess.

Hey I have a question.
I'm playing ranger and I'm leveling up but hit a bit of a snag. I'm selecting a combat style and then this:
>At 2nd level, a ranger must select one combat style to pursue. The choices depend on if the APG is being used.
>The ranger's expertise manifests in the form of bonus feats at 2nd, 6th, 10th, 14th, and 18th level. He can choose feats from his selected combat style, even if he does not have the normal prerequisites.
>If the ranger selects X style, he can choose from the following list whenever he gains a combat style feat
This is confusing as shit to me. So does this mean I
A. Get a feat from the list at 2nd level
B. Get a bonus feat from the list at 3rd level
C. Get a feat a from the list at 2nd level and THEN get a bonus feat

>>46447815
You pick a combat style, and get feats from that combat style's list at 2nd, 6th, 10th, 14th, and 18th level.

>>46447766
So the same as /pfg/?

>>46447703
Arcforge needs more playtesting, but Ssalarn refuses to listen to the feedback he gets.

Akashic mysteries is fine.

Tzocatl is fucked. Nigger said he would work on the math, he didn't, math is still fucked. It needs to be in a position where you hit some 2/3 to 3/4 of the time like Radiance House occultist.

>>46447262
Bump

>>46447837
Oh, talking to /pfg/ can actually get you places. We're not a homogenous mass, regardless of what anonymity might lead one to believe.

He's got his actual co-workers telling him he's wrong, and he refuses to listen.

>>46447850
>Akashic mysteries is fine.
Hahahahahahaha, no, veil internal balance is nonexistent, guru veils are shit tier, daevic is a tier 4 motherfucker that can pump out bullshit damage with Wrath and do basically nothing else.

>>46446538
The Linnorm Kingdoms crew took a bath and learned that the Kitsune was, indeed, a Kitsune. Much chattering and merriment was had by all, although we all missed the Warder, who could not attend the session; he will return next week!

>>46447905
>took a bath

Go on.

>>46447834
Then what does
>If the ranger selects X style, he can choose from the following list whenever he gains a combat style feat
This implies that any time I choose a combat related feat, like the usual one every other level, that I get a bonus feat from the list. Is that also true or not true at all?

>>46447882
Better than MoI

>>46447905
>Bath

How lewd did it get?

>>46447926
"Combat related feat" and "combat style feat" are not the same thing. "Combat style feat" means the feats granted by the combat style class feature.

We exposed an evil shaman in an eskimo village in Jade Regent, wiped on Way of the Wicked In Tian Xia, and the Iron Gods group I GM for finally made it to Iadenveigh.

>>46447961
Meant for >>46446538

>>46447924
>>46447944
The Kitsune was embarrassed upon learning that it was a co-ed bathhouse, and so she got the support of the Huldra to distract the Chelaxian while she transformed and undressed (the Skinwalker had, by this point, already stripped and bounded into the hot waterto float around on her back). The Chelaxian, upon learning that it was co-ed and having seen the huldra, skinwalker, and humanform!kitsune nude by now, proceeded to say that he would join in a minute probably jerked off, it was purposefully unclear what happened. Discussion about minor bits of backstory and planning to meet White Estrid occurred, when the kitsune noted that the huldra had a hollow back (BAD IDEA) chelaxian finally pointed out that the kitsune was, well, a multi-tailed pointy-eared white-haired version of her normal self. Much joking and playfulness occurred as the skinwalker laughed at the idea that the kitsune was afraid of getting eaten.

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>>46447703
>>46447850
>>46447882

Ssalarn also seems adamant on including a +4 Intelligence race capable of flight in Akashic Mysteries.

>>46447954
OHHH ok I feel like such a dingus, thanks anon.

>>46448000
Seriously? I need this.

>>46448000
Nigger I'm aware, I'll give you the same response I gave you in IRC, fuck that gay ass furshit.

>>46448028
I hate Ssalarn's entire cabal of furry snowflake races. What the fuck?

>>46448040
Every race is a snowflake race, just like every class is weeaboo trash.

Was any of the dirty trick stuff in Dirty Tactics Toolbox any good?

Hey /pfg I found the Vigilante unplayable in a normal campaign so I attempted to make an initiating archetype for it with abilities I've always wanted on a character. Feedback would be appreciated.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SeF1EF2NUNMiVRu2ITpuNDZzwyI14ahXTKFiBP97Yy0/edit?usp=sharing

>>46448000
I've been trying to look for info for those races. Where are they?

>>46448061

Dirty Fighting is as close as we're going to get to Combat Expertise going away, so yes.

>>46447933
But MoI is good

>>46448103
Akashic Supplemental.

>>46448116
No son, the totemist is good.

>>46447704
Ah, thanks, that does make way more sense. So the limiting factor of how many high level maneuvers I can use is more like that of a sorcerer than that of a wizard, that is, I'm limited because I only learn a few new maneuvers each level, so I could only in actuality use 3 9th level maneuvers at level 20, because I'd only be able to LEARN 34 maneuvers after I unlocked them.

The shit that happens when I don't scroll down a bit. My bad.

What do you think of this as a feat? Weeaboo enough?

Also, could somebody who has Reign of Winter tell me what the DR or hardness of a tank is in there?

DAISHO MASTERY (COMBAT)

Prerequisites: Daisho Expertise, base attack bonus +8, proficiency with the katana or wakizashi.

Benefit: Any katanas or wakazashi you wield gain the benefits of being crafted from adamantine (in addition to its actual material). If you wield a katana or wakzashi that is already crafted from adamantine, it ignores hardness less than 40 instead of harness less than 20. In addition, you gain the benefits of the Improved Critical feat in regards to katanas and wakizashi. If you already have Improved Critical for one of those weapons, you increase the threat range for that weapon by 1 after all other effects. This feat counts as Improved Critical for purposes of meeting prerequisites.

Special: If you are proficient with the katana as a martial weapon, you meet the prerequisites for this feat, although you only gain its benefit while wielding a katana in two hands (to gain these benefits while wielding the katana in one hand, you must possess Exotic Weapon Proficiency with the weapon). You must possess Exotic Weapon Proficiency with the wakizashi to gain the benefits of this feat with a wakizashi.

>>46448132
Ah, thanks

>>46448251
>Also, could somebody who has Reign of Winter tell me what the DR or hardness of a tank is in there?
10/adamantine. So that feat already works.

>>46448229
>34
4. Fuck.

>>46448251

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

>>46446538
Cleared a haunted house, but the damn thing wouldn't burn. Knew I should have played my pyromancer this campaign.

>>46448283
Hmmm, I found a stat block on d20pfsrd, but it lists hardness instead of DR. Is it the right one?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/vehicles/land-vehicles/tank

>>46448319
Bretty good bro, I rate it Copy out of Paste.

>>46448340
Nah.
>http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Animated%20Tank

>>46448340
No. Check this page's source.

http://archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Animated%20Tank

>>46448365
>>46448340

Why does an animated tank have 1800 less hit points?

>>46448368
Thanks.

>>46448340
>AC 2; Hardness 10
>hp 1,920

So assuming you have an adamantine katana and full use of PoW and whatever, how do you deal 1,920 damage to the tank in one hit?

>>46448142
But isn't the Daevic better?

>>46448377
Because you aren't smashing the thing into dust, you're just damaging it enough that the magitech keeping the brain alive quits.

It's like how you don't have to blow up a whole mecha if you can land one hit hard enough to pancake the pilot through sheer G-forces.

>>46448377
PAIZO!!! Seriously though, the animated one is something you're supposed to reduce to 0 HP to win, and the vehicle is something you're probably not fighting, and if you are, you want the crew, not the vehicle.

>>46448444
Tape the katana to a lance and give it to RAGELANCEPOUNCE.

>>46448466
Daevic is a tier 4 motherfucker that can pump out bullshit damage with Wrath and do basically nothing else.

>>46448522
Totemist couldn't do even that though.

>>46448444
With AC 2, a sane GM might let you effectively coup de grace it for an auto-critical, at which point you only have to deal 960 hp in one hit.

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DSP printed out the "pyn-gok," a psionic peacock-folk monster whose men wear high heels.

Half-pyn-gok PC race for cute cuddly peacock boys in high heels when, DSP?

>>46448582
>not wearing cavalry boots
>wearing objectively inferior high heels
Pig disgusting

>>46448566
>This nigga hasn't even heard of the Manticore Belt

>>46447997

Not going to lie, that sounds like a pretty comfy game.

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>>46448582
That sounds cute.

>Scarlet Throne Dignity
>Defensive Expertise

Which is a better investment, lads?

Anyone have the pdf for Psionics Augmented: Soulknives?

I find a link in the archive but it was dead.

http://paizo.com/products/btpy9jj2?Psionics-Augmented-Soulknives

>>46448659

Scarlet Throne Dignity.

>>46448582

Where is that from?

>>46448648
It's very comfy! And fun! It's also quite funny sometimes; a lot of the noncombat scenes feel like they could fit as Tales Of <X> skits.

Long story short I got talked into playing a character with 5 con. I plan on basically playing a permanently invisible scout and never ever participating in combat. How fucked am I?

>>46448881
You have another sheet prepared, right?

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>>46447997
>the Skinwalker had, by this point, already stripped and bounded into the hot waterto float around on her back

Smart wolf, using her large flotation devices like that.

>>46448987
>on her back
Think harder, idiot.

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>>46446538
Unfortunately my session was canceled as my DM had a family emergency. Oh well, my greedy and narcissistic half-elf summoner will have to wait a week to be introduced to my current group.

>>46449150

The person who calls someone else an idiot is the idiot, I know what I said.

>>46448987
No one pointed out her breasts this time, they were too busy admiring floof.

>>46444602
I have just now been able to go over ultimate intrigue, I wanna see how my opinions of it mesh with yall

>Vigilante is a great class for NPC's to fuck with players but an awful one for PC's
>Magical Child and the spiderman archetypes are retarded as hell
>It's really funny how right above the god awful vigilante transformation archetype is an alchemist archetype that also transforms and is way, way better.
>The other class archetypes are all pretty cool, as are the spells/items

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>>46449161
Is that a genderswapped Arno Dorian?

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>>46449222
>an alchemist archetype that also transforms and is way, way better

Isn't the Metamorph completely shit tier?

>>46444850
You're sucking up a feat tax and additional -2 penalty to attacks in order to get +1 average damage over dual longswords, or +1/+2 over longsword and shortsword. It's not at all worth it. Hell, you'd get a bigger benefit by going dual short swords and Piranha Strike (-2 penalty at BAB 4 gets you +4 damage, instead of +1).

>>46444850
>>46449274
> (-2 penalty at BAB 4 gets you +4 damage, instead of +1)
Instead of +2, I mean, the difference between shortsword (3.5) and bastard sword (5.5).

>>46449228
It is, good eye there. Just using it as a ref until I get some art of my summoner proper.

>>46449191
If her tits aren't in the water they aren't functioning as flotation devices.

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Assign Paizo or DSP classes and archetypes to as many Assassin's Creed characters as you can:

Altaïr:
Ezio:
Haytham:
Connor:
Aveline:
Edward:
Shay:
Arno:
Evie:
Jacob:

>>46446538

Things are coming to a head-we've learned that the evil sorcerer whose machinations are behind almost every bad thing that's happened in the campaign is going to attempt to ascend to demonhood, and tear open a hole through which the myriad nightmares of the Abyss can spill out into the countryside. In order to defeat him and save the land, we're going to have to storm a castle filled with monsters, demons, and the sorcerer's followers. So, we ended the session discussing potential battle plans, making last minute preparations, and just generally girding ourselves for a big honkin' showdown when we arrive a couple days hence. RP-wise, my Chosen One got a remarkably moving pep-talk from his familiar on the meaning of courage and a drunken, tearful love confession from the catfolk.

>>46446517
No, it was for examples of legendary swordsmen, and a level 12 pirate who is supposed to be a sword wielder made it onto the list of the best. Sveinn is a level 18 barbarian, but he's not said to be a legendary swordsman per Se.

It was about character archetypes, not levels.

>>46449398
>Altaïr: rogue/assassin
>Ezio: rogue/assassin
>Haytham: rogue/assassin
>Connor: rogue/assassin
>Aveline: rogue/assassin
>Edward: rogue/assassin
>Shay: rogue/assassin
>Arno: rogue/assassin
>Evie: rogue/assassin
>Jacob: rogue/assassin

>>46449266

The metamorph isn't very good, but it's much better than the Brute Vigilante.

>>46449363

When you're relaxing on your back in the water, bits and pieces tend to go under (but not very far), oftentimes this includes the chest.

>>46449398
They all play and fight more or less the same.

>>46449398

They're literally all Slayers.

>>46449266
the metaphorph has actual stat bonuses for becoming a monster and doesn't have to roll to not murder his friends multiple times at the end of a combat to calm down

>tfw you design a build you love on a character you're actually looking forward to RP
>tfw it's for the ERP campaign that was advertised earlier

I don't even know this feel.

>>46449398
>Altair: Slayer
>Ezio: Vigilante
>Haytham: Slayer
>Connor: Hunter
>Aveline: Vigilante
>Edward: Gunslinger
I didn't play anymore after that. Also, you could probably figure out Archetypes on your own

>>46449641
It's probably a mixture of hype and shame
If you don't feel comfortable ERPing, you can always back out. It's not for everyone, and there's no shame in realizing that. No game is better than a badfeel game

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>>46449670
Edward is a stalker (privateer).

Yoho, been away for a while. Quick build question. Would be great to get an official answer, if one is out there. For Powerful Build, are natural attack damage die increased? You're allowed to wield a weapon a size category greater than yours, and you're considered a size larger whenever it would be beneficial to you. Does this mean your natural attack damage die go up?

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My DM straight up is not allowing me to use a Mounted Summoner build. He says "I don't want useless characters in my campaign. I want to make it a challenging campaign."

I really don't see why people think that Mounted Summoners are bad. They could potentially be wonderful, I'd think. I've always wanted to try one, because the only thing that the summoner suffers from being a summoner is the 3/4 BAB, but using a lance while doing a mounted charge would give me all the damage I ever needed.

Here's what I get as a mounted summoner that cavaliers don't: A strong mount that can destroy enemies by themselves helping me attack (a quadruped eidolon with pounce), the ability to fly on my mount (fly evolution), spells that can make me and my eidolon an essential one man army (like haste), and the ability to become large size at later levels with insane stat benefits by using transposition to take some evolution points from my Eidolon. I also get more versatility and become more useful when off of my mount by being able to switch to becoming a main spell caster/secondary fighter; which cavaliers could only dream of being.

So I don't get it. Why does my DM think my mounted summoner idea is bad? Are there things I'm overlooking? I personally think a mounted Summoner is better than a Cavalier. Anyone have any ideas on how I should convince my DM to let my idea in (showing it's not "useless")?

Also, what do you think of Mounted Summoners?

>>46449702
Well, if you want to open up PoW options, then most all of them would be either some variety of Stalker, Hidden Blade, or that one Ranger Archetype

>>46449717
> ...you're considered a size larger whenever it would be beneficial to you.
You literally just answered your own question. Unless you think that higher natural attack damage wouldn't be beneficial to you for some reason.

>>46449765
Call your DM a cuck and use your build to rape his favorite NPCs

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>>46449783
mostly, I'd like a Super Dreamscarred Official™ answer to shove in my GM's face. I KNOW it should work that way, but my GM don't like the sound of it.

>>46449851
Natural attacks aren't increased, iirc.

>>46449700

I'm actually super-fine with the ERP, the mixed feelings are from me how silly it is to be making a character you genuinely want to play, only for it to be in a campaign centered around fucking things or getting fucked by things.

What are some high-demand races in that, anyway?

>>46449915
Sylphus

>>46449803
Sounds like a legit plan.

It would work if it weren't an online game with a DM that will likely kick me immediately if I hurt his favorite cat's feelings (online DMs tend to be overly sensitive "MUH WORLD MUH RULES MUH POWER!" individuals, based on my previous experience with them).

I wish I could just tell him that he's being a dumb asshole, but I kinda wanna be able to play a game (which there are a short supply of them online that I've been able to find).

>>46449889
Yes they are.

>>46449765
He's being a faggot.
"I don't want useless characters, this will be challenging" is not a problem.

But unless YOU are well known for being very bad at making characters (ARE you? I know some players can be truly terrible) he's no business telling you what you can or cannot use provided you can attain the threshold of capability he's asking for.

It may not be easy, but if you can pull it off, there's no reason you shouldn't be allowed to win on hard-mode instead of normal.

>>46449889
>>46449977

See, that's the thing. Some say "no" some say "yes"

I'd really like to know from the creators. I think it should, as it is beneficial, but I'm just not sure. Also, since 5 of the natural attacks in question(4 tentacles and a stinger) are formed via the Aberrant Aegis' armor, they might come out bigger?

If anybody has a source that actually says instead of just "yes" or "no" that would be great.

>>46449992
>But unless YOU are well known for being very bad at making characters (ARE you? I know some players can be truly terrible)
First time ever playing with him, so he knows nothing about the chars I normally make. But I don't know, do you really think that this idea is a bad one? I've always wanted to try it, but he thinks it is a terrible idea. I can't see why he thinks that, though. This seems like a good idea after all (for previously mentioned reasons).

>>46449915

DRAGON
R
A
G
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Seriously though, everyone loves a good dragon dong.

>>46450006
Powerful build allows your to wield weapons one size category larger than medium.

This is because, as per mechanic, you ARE treated as one size larger than medium. Hence, this means your natural weapons i.e. claws and unarmed strikes follow suit.

>>46450035
No, actually, they're just mostly a meme.

>>46450063
They have an entire business built off selling fake dicks. They may not all be dragon dicks, but fact remains.

Dragons know their way around a good dick.

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>>46450035
>everyone loves a good dragon dong
>not Dragon cloaca

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>>46449915
Kobold

Or Human. Human can be good, and are turbosluts

Or, if you really want to push how deep in the shit you can go, maybe use one of the races from Skyborne. Creep people out with kinky mantis sex

>>46449222

>Vigilante
>Gets a free murder pit at level 1
>Shit

Nah senpai, it's on par with Slayer imho

>>46449540

Metamorph is a bad archetype for alchemist
Hulk vigiliante is a bad archetype for YOUR ENTIRE PARTY

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>>46450106
Kobolds are in high demand these days.

>>46450029
As far as mounted summoner I actually don't know. Summoners can themselves be extremely capable for sure; they're also well known for being able to drag spellcasting monsters into action, greatly increasing their repertoires.

I don't know if a mounted summoner is better or worse than a synthesist (which is a less-good summoner, but since it's better at melee than basic CRB martials it's seen as broken by those who think martials should not be allowed nice things) though, but 'mounted' is usually decent so long as squeezing through tight spaces does not become an issue.

This is why most cavaliers are small races (so they can bring their mount anywhere a Medium creature would).

Of course, a medium mech would also be handy!

>>46450106

Even male humans?

>>46450092

Banging a dragon is gross enough as-is, the dong is really the most people are willing to take before Alter Self/Polymorph becomes a requirement.

>>46449915
Kitsunes with Realistic Likeness can be any Medium humanoid race they want.

>>46450158
>a medium mech
What? Mind expanding upon that last part? What mechs? Like the robotic mechs?

>>46450201
Looking for mechs? Check Arcforge!

>>46450239
Or better, don't!

It's a fucking mess!

>>46450267
lol, I really wish this weren't true. The idea was cool, imo. It hasn't actually moved in a long time, though.

>>46450158
>making a small cavalier
Wouldn't that be a bad idea? Using a smaller weapon means less damage for that "Spirited Charge" triple damage attack. Is versatility so desired that sacrificing damage dice wouldn't be a problem?

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>>46450132
Kobolds are the best.

>>46450298
It's just cuz Ssalarn is has a prima donna complex the size of Neptune.

>>46450239
>>46450267
>>46450314
Is Arcforge that bad? It looks fine to me.

>>46450300

Damage dice are usually fairly unimportant compared to the flat modifiers attached to them. This is why people aren't very impressed with the kineticist's or vital striker's big bucket of damage dice.

>>46450300
A single weapon size change is 1 or 2 points of damage. That's negligible compared to what you get from high Strength, Power Attack, or even just weapon enhancement bonuses.

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>>46450201
Some class archetypes can get a mech or vehicle "companion". They have their own growth table, but unlike a horse they're generally not autonomous - though they can offer significant defensive and offensive upgrades by splitting damage post-defenses with you and letting you use and/or treat weapons bigger than usual.

I mean, sure it's not full plate and a horse, but I'm sure you could pull off the knight in shining armor look somehow!

>>46448582
I thought high heels were originally worn by male french nobility.

>>46450298
>>46450323

Actually it's been moving along again the past few days. Mostly in a good direction.

The mech system is solidifying fairly well, the reactor knight is no longer tearing its own feet off in exchange for it, though the vehicle section's new and not quite right. You can definitely play one of the mech archetypes though and get excellent mileage out of your new, hardened class ability.

>>46450333
They weren't stiletto heels though.

>>46450323
It's either overpowered or fucking over people using it.

Yeah it's nice and REALLY powerful at level 1.

But then it breaks. And you have to pay gold to fix it. Gold which you don't have. And your class features don't WORK unless you have a mech. So you need to spend gold to upkeep a class feature.

>>46450354
The dread archetype still seems OP as fuck compared to the base dread though.

>>46450378
Silver Crane heals mechs just fine.

>>46450401
I actually quite like the look of the Dread archetype. I was never too sure what to do with the Dread, as I often ran into campaigns with lots of vermin, for whatever fucking reason. Shooting shit with flying mechs and changing lighting levels seems pretty fun

>>46450300
Requiring a 'large' mount will often fuck you, courtesy of asshole GMs and 5ft corridors. Even a Horse is 2 squares wide, rather than 2 long and 1 wide, for example.

A medium cavalier often gets into trouble because doors and hallways are a thing.

So, most cavaliers are small or have quick and easy access to being small. A medium can be said to require a mount (or a vehicle....) that can handle a rider its own size, rather than being one size bigger.

The tiny amount of damage you lose for one size-down is *NOTHING* compared to the static damage you'll focus on adding. Small people aren't the best of choices for going the die-multiplier route; leave that to the aegis or half-giant daevic over there; MOST builds should focus on the static damage bonus and not base weapon dice.

So yeah, what's 1-2 damage in exchange for the versatility you wish for, because in the end it'll be you doing 3(1d6+22) instead of this other guy doing 2(1d8+23).

>>46450458
>he doesn't know about squeezing
cuckish tbqqqqh

>>46450409
They're objects.

Unless that's yet another thing for me to be utterly infuriated about regarding Silver Crane..

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Is Gareth still on break? Any progress on his Lords of the Mist book?

>>46450458
Undersized Mount.

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>>46450479
>>46450506
There are penalties for squeezing, and you have to take feats to remove them. When you're spending multiple feats to effectively do an average of what? Like 1.5 damage more on a charge attack? That's a stupid waste of resources.

Also, small mounted combatants are CUTE!

>>46450498

When Gareth gets back tell him he's cute. Cute!

and then chuckle sensibly at him getting awkward about it

>>46450548
You can charge while squeezing. Also, you do 3x damage while charging with a lance and Spirited Charge feat.

>>46450378
ACTUALLY that part was fixed like 2 weeks ago. You now only need a day and your tools or access to a workshop/garage. No charge.

In exchange, you do get a way easier start than many now as a result (bonus mech HP and splitting the damage between the two of you), so that as long as the party doesn't mind sleeping off their wounds for a day as well (and really what party doesn't at least take a day or ten off to prepare between runs or adventures) once in a while when things went horribly...

>>46450401
Yes and no, for "swarm" reasons.
The more shadow mechs you put out, the more you have to split your pilot level up. So at mid-high levels you could get a sick number of attacks and shadow-twin actions, BUT you AND all the shadows are much, much weaker than normal defensively.

I'm not saying it's bad; it can be powerful as fuck. But it's extremely glass-cannon. Avoid return-fire at all costs. A well placed solar-reflection or silver-spiral-dive could wipe your class feature off the map for over a goddamn WEEK!

>>46450592
1d6 -> 1d8 is an average of 1 damage. So I was wrong, but it's still burning one or more feats for 3 damage. Hardly worth it.

Additionally, the penalty for squeezing is -4 to hit and -4 AC, so if you ARE squeezing on your charge, you're at -2 to-hit and -6 AC until your next turn. Having to put up with that is lame as hell.

>>46450488
They're also constructs.

>>46450620
Why not just take one really good mech?

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>>46450620
>No charge.

And why would I want a mech?

>>46450657
My eidolon will be taking that -4 to AC and hit, which with mounted combat I don't care much about his AC (as I can substitute my ride check for his AC if he is attacked and it does more than his normal AC). The -4 to attack roll will suck for it, but still; the eidolon woulda been taking that much of a penalty anyways if I were just a normal summoner (cuz you take "Large" evolution on most eidolon builds).

>>46450006
The source is literally right there in the description. If your GM doesn't know how to read, that's his fault. It doesn't say "whenever it would be beneficial to you, except for natural attacks", it says "whenever it would be beneficial to you", period, end of discussion.

It's plain fucking English. I realize that it's not your fault that you have an illiterate idiot for a GM, but it frustrates me to no end when people can't just read one fucking sentence.

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>>46450690
Extremely high effective defenses?
You get hardness, you get object resistance vs energy damage, you get a second pool of HP, you get AC that does grow along light, medium or heavy (depending on type) armor values, and you get various mobility or quality of life options that come with it at no additional cost.

All of this stacks with other class abilities and powers, including shit like Aegis DR, force armor spells/powers, veilweaver veils and so on and so forth. Your monk isn't even considered to be wearing armor, so he can tell everyone the East is burning red.

Mechs are not 'traditional' pathfinder builds (someone used to Aegis may have an easier time figuring it out), but they DO have a lot to offer.

>>46450488
>they're objects

So get a 900 gp item of Mending at will.

>>46450935
Mending only works on items of up to 1lb/level

>>46450953
Well if you wanna go purely by RAW, mechs are currently weightless.... At most you may need to take the weapons off it first.

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>>46444602
>Awakened Animal Bards edition

What is this some joke or some kind of strange build

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>>46445503
Half-orc geisha.

She was for cute, not for lewd.

Picture unrelated.

>>46447066
>rogue monk

i can't possibly see how this could be truly the worst: sneak attack on a big number of attack is decent. also they are both dex based with no armor and many class features don't overwrite each other ( for example he benefit from all the rogue feats and skill points)

>>46447051
>chained rogue/chained monk, no archetypes

I can definitely see that working with a halfway-decent rolls or PB array for a good strength/dex, wis and con. Don't go overboard with burn and you should be a decent T4. I'd go earth for the DR or water for AC tankiness, but aether/air are also workable.You are essentially playing a Qinggong monk with different (and more) tricks, although you keep much of the chaff that you would normally throw away with the Qinggong.

>>46451579

I am curious now - Geisha as in either of the bard archetypes, as a profession, or both?

>>46451554

Heh, reminds me of an awakened cat telepath I did in 3.5. It was played mostly for a joke, but it can be pretty fun.