MTG Pauper General : No Bad Words In The Subject Edition.

>Evidently typing "shitbrew general" is triggering.
B-but! But every edition is shitbrewing edition!
What's wrong with shitbrewing anyways??

Also, OP, please remember to link to:
http://tappedout.net/users/fruuty/deck-folders/

Im getting into pauper, andi just bought mostof the cards for my first deck. Im using Ponder and Brainstorm to manipulate the top of my library, and then i use mercenaries like Cateran Persuader to shuffle away useless cards and generate card/board advantage.

The goal is to swarm the opponent and finish them with Barrow Ghoul, Gurmag Anglers or Haunting Misery. For added tech:
>Mortuary mire
>Conjuerers bauble
>tendrils of agony

>>46428822
Added to future OPs.

>>46429751
Sounds like an OK choice for a midrange deck.

Where my Burn peeps at?

>>46428419
>>Is MTGO worth it?
>If you have no local paper competition, but want to play a vast amount of Pauper, it can't be beat, even if it is a clunky GUI, you learn quickly.
>Not linking xmage instead

>>46430027
It was a lot of fun as a casual deck. I wonder if i shouldnt try playing lots of discard effects like funeral charm and piracy charm.

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>>46430027
>Where my Burn peeps at?

Impatiently awaiting on the foil Looting and Rift to arrive.

>>46430156
It's not linked on purpose. Same for cockashit. Get out.

>>46428822
desu pauper is the only format in which I can tolerate shitbrewing.

>>46430156
>xmeme
>Pauper
>Cuckatrice
>Good

I'm about to give in to the Delver. Everyone is running fetch decks like crazy and popping turn 2 5/4s or doing some insanley long late game heal shit or fucking whatever.

Screw them I'm making a Delver deck and they can cry to my blue dik.

Is it fair to say that Mono white is dead as a competitive deck in Pauper?

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Bump

Anyone else have hilarious Pauper memes like this?

>>46430888
>>46432015
>MTGO is totally great though, take my word for it. Just hand over 60$ to play with 1 deck first goyim.
When the only positive thing a people can say about a service is it has a high barrier of entry due to how expensive it is, you can tell it is unambiguously shit.

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I have recently tried out different Aristocrats builds in this format. So far my favorite is a BR list with Hissing Iguanidon and Mogg War Marshall that can find kills seemingly out of nowhere. In particular I like how these decks are extremely recilient to removal. Even if the opponent succesfully wipes my side of the board I can usually redeploy quickly and swing for the win.

>>46430841
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>19 lands

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>>46435520
19 is fine when the most expensive thing i'll cast is 2.

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How come this card isnt run in jeskai kitty?

>>46435340
Post a list man

I've been having a lot of fun with the infinite combo elves. It sucks it's hard to actually "go infinite" on mtgo, since it chews through your time to keep putting stuff on the stack.

Otherwise I've also been playing Soul Sisters in pauper. Delicious life and beatsticks.

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>>46436028
Here's the list I'm currently tinkering with.

>>46435729
Not >>46435520, 19 land almost seems like too much.
What would cutting 1 or an extra Faithless Looting do to the deck?

>>46430888
>>46432015
>this is 2016 and MTGO still has no Linux client
No, you get out. No tux, no bux.

>>46436011
Pauper creatures need either a good ability or an extremely efficient cost to be playable.
Delver is a 3/2 evasion, Gurmmag Angler is a 5/5 vanilla. Both cost 1 mana.
4 mana for a vanilla 5/5 is slightly complete shit.

>>>46436575 this is 2016 and MTGO still has no Linux client
A brief google search told me that Wine doesn't work very well for MTGO,
but that is /really/ easy to run it in a virtual machine.

>>46436690
Yeah no I'm not PAYING for the privilege of running some shitty, bug-ridden software in a dedicated VM. I'm okay with being buttfucked by WotC but the dick in my ass has to be enjoyable at least.

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>>46436571
I considered that, but there was the fear of getting stuck on 1 land for ages.

At most i'd probably drop down to 18, MAYBE 17 if I was reckless enough.

New guy here
So I enjoy playing zoo in modern. What's a good pauper equivalent? Something that plays similarly.. It doesn't have to have the same parts or colors.

>>46436011
it's a 4 drop that costs all your mana and doesn't do anything otherwise.

>>46436886
Not super familiar with Modern; Zoo is a creature intensive Midrange deck, right?
The format is full of strong removal, so there are't many Midrange decks.
The only ones that come to mind are WU, RW, and WUR Kitty.

Aggro-Control is vaguely similar to Midrange,
if that tickles your fancy you could try U or UR Delver.

But if your interest was a creature intensive deck, you'll have to settle for pure Aggro.
G Stompy or WG Slivers would be your best bets.

>>46432145
No? Mono white tokens is still a top deck. Get your dumb ass outta here.

>>46436886
There's 5 color/domain zoo too,it's pretty interesting.

>>46435340
such a great card

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>>46428419 >>46429923
You really seem to like that image,
here's a higher quality version.

>>46435729
My deck with 19 land has mana screwed me endlessly with my Burn deck. Might be bad luck. 7 straight land pulls and shit.

>>46440813
I really only used it because it was on my phone and some dick diggler deleted my other OP for some reason, but thanks, I'll keep it on hand.

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>>>46441497 it was on my phone
If you don't already have a complete set of HQ scans on your phone,
I advise you check out the link in my name.

I find that the 300 DPI images are generally obnoxiously large.
I suppose they might work well for an OP image or something,
but that's pretty much all they'd be good for.

The 200 DPI images work nicely though.

>>46441413
That sounds like bad shuffling.

>>46441742
It was on MTGO. It happened 4 games in a row that I pulled 7 to 8 land in a row, starting with 2 land hands.

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After talking about it for a few weeks, I've got my playgroup to build paper pauper decks, my favorite deck i used to have was Kiln Fiend.dec, and i still have some of the cards in my collection, how's this for a base of the deck?

>>46442315
... fixing an important typo.

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>>46441921
Running Wee Dragonauts instead of Delver is an acceptable, if questionable choice.
But I don't see any Kiln Fiends. And I should be seeing 4 Kiln Fiends.
You should also consider another 6 or so Bolts and Flame Slashes.

And don't forget about pic related.
Gitaxian Probe is 3-6 damage for 2 life and tells you if it's safe to go off. Run 4.
Gut Shot is 4-7 damage for 2 life and a card. Consider it.
Mutagenic Growth is 5-8 damage for 2 life an a card. It also counters Bolt (et al.). Run 4.

>>46442315
>>46442361
Yeah, I need to order some Kiln Fiends, this is just what I had on hand, is Manamorphose worth considering as a "free" spell and filtering?

>casually browsing through some cards
>find out a card that was uncommon became common in MM
>take a look at the MM commons
>there's a bunch of great cards that were previously uncommon

I'm feeling like ordering 40+ cards now.

Is there a U/B or mono B Faeries list? Or is it took weak compared to Teachings/Delver?

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>>46436428
What are you planning on adding from SoI?

>>46444935
Manamorphose works pretty well.
Snap is also deserves a look, though it's probably not worth 4 of.

Be sure to run 3-4 Lava Darts too.
8-14 damage for 1 mana is nothing to sneer at.
They do impact your mana base design a bit (making fetches more attractive than refuges mostly),
but it shouldn't impact your ability to drop your hand really quickly.

>>46445618
See >>46428822, they're way at the bottom in the shitbrew section.
>Or is it took weak compared to Delver?
Basically this. But as a trade-off you get a downright silly amount of cantripping.

>>46446220
I was thinking of running faeries along with delvers, since this insect is superior to most of them.

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>>46447091
Stock lists for Delver pack playsets of Faerie Miscreants and Spellstutter Sprites.

>>46441497
Here's the 300 DPI version, if you want it.
Not sure why I didn't post it earlier.

>>46447308
We might not be talking about the same Delver deck it's more of a control deck around here

>>46447370
Smells like paper meta.
Post a list?

>play Burn
>they sideboard protection from red and get it turn 2

So why and how is Burn any good at all when you have to concede on turn 4 or so when they realize you're running a burn deck?

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Send help.
I have no idea what I'm doing.
Also how do I beat the cancer that is control/faeries

>>46448222
Dredgers and delvers on the same deck? Isn't that a bad idea?

>>46448241
That's why I'm asking.
Though it seems to work most of the time. You throw a few dredgers into your grave with a turn two drown in filth then drop gurmag angler turn 3.

>>46448222
I have no idea what you're doing either.
Dredge aggro, or something?

Splashing red for Faithless Looting would probably be good.
With 8 fetches that shouldn't be too hard on your mana base.

>Everyone going apeshit over new release
>Me by myself in a corner sifting through the Commons tub

Brokeback for life.

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>>46448351 (cont.)
>Also how do I beat the cancer that is control/faeries
Graveyard recurrence might be good too.
Aphetto Dredging, Cruel Revival, Disturbed Burial, and Grim Harvest look tempting but overcosted.
Ghoulcaller's Chant, Morgue Theft, Recover, and Restless Dreams should all work.

Tortured Existence is also worth considering, as is some madness.
With no Tortured Existences, 3-4 Restless Dreams, and 4 Faithless Looting,
you could probably get away with 4-6 Grave Scrabblers and Gorgon Recluses.

Also, that Altar's Reap in your sideboard?
Not super attractive. How's it working out for you?

And as a final note, every creature in your current deck that you actually cast has CMC 6 or greater..
Pic related. The red and green ones are the only to I'd consider running though.

>>46448840
Huh... never realized the blue one had cycling. If only it gave something more exciting, though. A flying angler sounds cool, but the scavengers already flies, so its kind of wasted there.

>>46448222 >>46449120
You're running 24 lands and you deck seems to curve out at 2.

>//Land
4x Teramorphic Expanse
4x Evolving Wilds
7x Swamp
9x Forest
>//Dredge
4x Golgari Brownscale
4x Stinkweed Imp
>//Delve
4x Sultai Scavenger
4x Hooting Mandrils
4x Gurmag Angler
>//Dig
4x Grisly Salvage
3x Corpse Churn
>//Control
4x Drown in Filth
4x Duress
>//Pump
1x Traitor's Clutch

>>46448840 (cont.)
How does this look to you?

-4 Forest
-1 Hooting Mandrils
-1 Gurmag Angler
-3 Corpse Churn
-2 Grisly Salvage
-1 Drown in Filth
-1 Duress
-1 Traitor's Clutch
+1 Mountain
+2 Restless Dreams
+4 Faithless Looting
+1 Grave Scrabbler
+2 Gorgon Recluse
+3 Dragon Breath
+1 Dragon Fangs

>//Land
4x Evolving Wilds
4x Terramorphic Expanse
7x Swamp
1x Mountain
5x Forest
>//Dredge
4x Golgari Brownscale
4x Stinkweed Imp
>//Delve
4x Sultai Scavenger
3x Hooting Mandrils
3x Gurmag Angler
>//Dig
2x Restless Dreams
4x Faithless Looting
1x Grave Scrabbler
2x Grisly Salvage
>//Control
2x Gorgon Recluse
3x Drown in Filth
3x Duress
>//Pump
3x Dragon Breath
1x Dragon Fangs

>>46448840 >>46449411
Looking back on these Restless Dreams screws you over really hard if your opponent has counterspells.
And I was suggesting recurrence to help against control.
...

-2 Restless Dreams
+2 Ghoulcaller's Chant

or, more likely
-1 Golgari Brownscale
-2 Restless Dreams
+3 Tortured Existence

>>46448840

I'm surprised these weren't reprinted in Tarkir.

>>46449859
Fear was evergreen, but is obsolete in favor of Intimidate (which is itself obsolete in favor of Menace).
And Cycling wasn't in Tarkir (and isn't evergreen).

>>46444940
You and me both.

>>46448840
Oh man I saw dragon's breath and my Johnny Sense went tingling. I googled Dragon's Breath Reanimator, and I found this cute little pile:

>http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/pauper-dragon-reanimator#online

Is this a good deck? How come this isn't more of a thing?

>>46450556
It's alright. I don't mind a grixis twist on it either, more selective discard with forbidden alchemy and the blue Faithless looting to find exhume easier and not lose it to dredge/self mill. Less able to do the t3 angler but better at doing the combo. Madness goes in alright too.

>>46446220
>What are you planning on adding from SoI?
I haven't seen anything in SoI that I think slots perfectly into that list. BG lists gets Byway Courier and Stoic Builder both of which I'm uncertain about. UB gets Stictched Mangler which seems ok, but I don't know if you'd rather play it than blue's other three drops, like Skyspawner, Man-o-War and Invisimancer. WB gets Dauntless Cathar which doesn't seem all that good - maybe if it created the token as it died - and Thraben Inspector which, again, I'm very uncertain about.

>>46442361
aint better feel than playin in mirror/vsU and just go gutshot on the flip of enemy delver

>>46448174
have you tried being a better player?

>>46448174
CoP: R is a thumping. But if they're keeping mana up then they're not deploying threats.

is there something red/blue/black can do to not get fucked by a side-in circle of protection?

>>46453246
>R
Nope!
>U
Bounce/Counter
>B
Discard

>>46453246
Use Curse of the Bloody Tome as your wincon.

>>46447589
Sorry anon, i went to bed. It runs daze and counter spells, i don't know the rest.

>>46449942
>and isn't evergreen
It is now, it just wasn't yet back on KTK block

>>46453246
Win through Curse of the Bloody Tome/Jace's Erasure

>>46453621
I'd argue that curse is better than erasure, since you don't want to be drawing so many cards in a control mirror by the end.

>>46453589
You're wrong.

>>46453992
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Scry
>It became evergreen in Magic Origins.

>>46454037
>Scry
>cycling
A trip, a cuck: A tripcuck
Dumb as a rock.
And loving the cock.

>>46454060
Hell yeah I'm blind

>>46454072
Good job nerd
Cycling was last released in Alara I think. It's not ever green but it's released periodically.

>>46454085
Wish it was evergreen, it has a nice space of design. Like on the Resounding cycle.

>>46454184
I like it too, since you can do stuff like cycling for a certain kind of card,alternate costs, triggered abilities. Stapling cycling to a card makes it way better.

>>46454184
Cycling is bad because confuses players, something, something feelsbad, something
t. Mark "Dredge under the bridge" Rosewater

>>46455155
Wouldn't surprise me considering that threshold (ie. can you count to seven?) was given an 8 in the stupid storm scale-

Source: http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/48944565943/threshold-on-the-storm-scale

>>46456026
>Dredge is not in the scale
we all know it's place, 14.88

>>46441742
Your card has a pen mark on it

>>46456109
All cards have that exact pen mark...
>>46456100
Dredge is on the storm scale, it is a 10.

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>>46456026
Madness was given a 8.5...
If anything, the scale is just a list of maro's own wishes and not something to be taken seriously.

>>46456172
>What are jokes
It's actually 10 tending to 11, which is absurd since it's not that broken.

>>46456221
Just because there's only a 10% chance something'll return, doesn't mean it won't return. That chance doesn't get bigger or smaller the moment it does actually return.

>>46456295
I agree. If it weren't for Bridge From Below, dredge wouldn't even be a thing people would remember.

>>46456221
The scale is about likelyhood of returning. Madness wasn't likely to return because it's a mechanic that has several development issues. What must also be realized, however, is that Maro ignores what he knows about future sets when assigning scores to mechanics, so he might give a mechanic a lower score than it should have because they had issues with it in the set they're working on right now and cut it, or he gives a mechanic a very high score despite knowing that it will return the next year.

>>46456390
>B.b.buhhhh anonzzzz!! dei use mechanic to recast teh spellz!!!
t. maro retarded fucking logic

It's like he said "Buyback is bad... BECAUSE IT LETS YOU KEEP CASTING A SPELL!!1".

You only use dredge in 2 cases:
Mill yourself (At which you want it to be bad at re-casting).
It's a great spell (Of which there is only one, loam the other cards with dredge are BAD cards , of which only imp is played in pauper because it's basically a re-usable pseudoremoval) that you can keep casting for huge value because it self-feeds itself, never actually oppressive.

>>46456026
The storm scale is dumb as fuck
>Infect AKA Superdouble strike is 100% halal
>Dredge a nearly useless mechanic is 110% haram
>Lol cascade is fine!

>>46456026
The storm scale is completely stupid. It's just an attempt at never bringing cool mechanics back. Cycling? Threshold? Too complicated since players can't read rules.

What amazes me the most is that they make these mechanics, come back with Morph and create Manifest, two way more complicated mechanics that don't interact with each other, and fill the rest of the Tharkir set with shitty stuff like Bolster.

>>46456591
I'm a long time mtg player, but fuck if morph isn't counter intuitive/complicated.

I'd say is just after time-stamp fuckery (humility and manlands) in counter-intuitive shit.

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>>46453472
That's OK. I went to bed too.

>>>46453875 since you don't want to be drawing so many cards in a control mirror by the end.
In a vacuum:
>Curse of the Bloody Tome ~ You loses at least 1 cards a turn, opponent loses at least 3.
>Jace's Erasure ~ You lose at least 1 card a turn, opponent loses at least 1 more than you.

Jace's Erasure allows you to eat through your opponent's library faster than Curse of the Bloody Tome.
It also encourages filling you hand with control goodies, unlike Curse of the Bloody Tome.

The main issue with it is that it screws you over really hard if your opponent plays Curse on you in the mirror.

>>46455155 >>46456390
"Time Spiral was a mistake"
RIP, we miss you.

>>46456109
So do yours.
Pic related.

>>>46456515 of which only imp is played in pauper because it's basically a re-usable pseudoremoval
People only run it because it has the highest Dredge value on a any common.
That it's almost playable is a happy coincidence.
>the other cards with dredge are BAD cards
If Darkblast were common it would be playable in Pauper.
Rarity downshift when?

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>>>46456712 but fuck if morph isn't counter intuitive/complicated.
Friendly reminder that pic related can counter cards with split second.

>>46457465
>You lose at least 1 card a turn, opponent loses at least 1 more than you.

No, the opponent loses what you draw. So you burn one per turn, while tome burns 2.

>>>46457569 No, the opponent loses what you draw.
They lose what you draw /and/ what they draw.

Jace's Erasure thrives on eating your deck, but your opponent's deck ends up worse.
As a trade-off, if your opponent also runs mill you're screwed.

>So you burn *at least one per turn, while tome burns 2.
I'm not talking about how quickly the enchantment mills them.
I'm talking about how quickly they get milled while the enchantment is out.

Mill runs a clock without any effects to help back it up.

>>46457465
>If Darkblast were common it would be playable in Pauper.
Common darkblast would make draft a pain.

>>46457836
I could still see it getting downshifted in a special set.
Probably as part of a pre-built deck or something.

>>46457836
Not really. While a repeated killspell is annoying, the cost of losing your draw step is real too, and the number of things that die to it is also pretty strict.

>>46458037
I'm giving maro's opinion i know shit about draft.

I still enjoy stinky more than dorkblast

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>>46458037
Darkblast is an instant.
You can cast it during you upkeep, dredge it, then cast it again.
2 toughness is always a relevant kill range..
>the cost of losing your draw step is real too
The bigger issue is constantly self milling yourself.
In an environment with minimal graveyard abuse.
And 40 card decks.

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>>46458012
Some shit gets downshifted that way. Eg. pic related but never released as common on MODO

>>46458230
DOn't duel decks release in MODO too?

>>46458298
They used to, but not anymore. Not clue why.

>>46457669
Milling more = applying more pressure and increasing the chances of burning something relevant for the matchup.

If you have 10-20 cards in your deck, you don't want to be drawing more cards so you can activate Jace's Erasure more times. So it burns 2(they draw 1 and you mill one during your draw step) while Bloody Tome burns 3(they mill 2 and draw 1 during their draw).

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>>>46460664 increasing the chances of burning something relevant for the matchup
What you mill is completely arbitrary.
Your odds of preventing a significant draw are exactly the same as your odds of causing one.

>If you have 10-20 cards in your deck
...your opponents have already been getting milled. A lot.
Jace's Erasure won't work as a win condition if you draw it while your deck is half the size of your opponent's.
But if your deck is half the size of your opponent's before you find it something really screwy is going on.

Jace's Erasure mills faster than Curse of the Bloody Tome if you throw dig effects left and right.
You have to stop that towards the bottom of your deck, but it's still a faster clock.
Mutagenic Growth makes for a great comparison, Stompy frequently cracks it as a pump spell while attacking unblocked.
No mana and 2 life for 2 damage is strictly faster than no mana and no life for no damage.
How close you are to dying is irrelevant as long as your opponent dies first.

>Jace's Erasure [...] encourages filling you hand with control goodies, unlike Curse of the Bloody Tome.
This is the main advantage of Jace's Erasure, not the faster clock.
Winning slightly faster gives you opponents less opportunity to stop you, but keeping a choice hand of good spells gives does that far better.
Make no mistake here, outside of mirror matches Jace's Erasure will always result in a stronger deck.

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>>46461526 (cont.)
>The main issue with it is that it screws you over really hard if your opponent plays Curse on you in the mirror.
Just to be clear, I'm generally in favor of Bloody Tome over Jace's Erasure.

You have to sideboard a Bloody Tome or two in for the mirror, and even then you're at an extreme disadvantage.
But during periods where control is less popular, or in local paper metas that happen to lack a significant control presence,
Jace's Erasure based control decks will always out perform Bloody Tome based control decks.

>>46461526 (afterthought)
>increasing the chances of burning something relevant for the matchup
>>Your odds of preventing a significant draw are exactly the same as your odds of causing one.

I should add here, while milling is generally irrelevant outside of being a clock,
it will affect the game by helping your opponent's graveyard play (if they have any).

Anyone here run Boggles? What's Hexbox like?

>>46464057
Never played bogles,but it seems extremely weak to edict cards.

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>No Bad Words In The Subject Edition
well fucking jesus shit

>>46466374 The last thread was "Shitbrew Edition"
Was a super active thread, by the way. >>46424947

What is the most flashy or otherwise pimped out set of urza lands possible?

>>46465691
crop rotate into khalni garden

it's so fun to do

>>46468327
8th Edition foils.
They're ~$40 apiece.

>>46468507
>8th edition art
vomit vomit vomit

>>46466532
Pauper shitbrew is somehow soothing.
t. shitbrew hater.

>>46454037
scry isn't cycling

>>46428419
what kind of deck should i play if i enjoy grindy value decks? anything midrange with sweet removal is my kinda deck.

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>>>46470263 anything midrange with sweet removal is my kinda deck.
Acid Trip.

In Azorious, Boros, and Jeskai Kitty you run highly efficient creatures that bounce your permanents as a downside.
And you turn that into an upside by bouncing things cantrip. You also flicker the creatures for extra bouncing.
Acid Trip is a popular variant of Azorious Kitty (or sometimes Jeskai) Kitty that runs pic related.

>>46470263
Tortured Existence is the grindiest deck ever. Acid Trip is fun, there's B/R Kuldotha that tries to deny the opponent resources, and then there's G/B Rock.

>>46470263
BG with Tortured Existence. I've played a lot of Teachings, and there's nothing as frustrating for that deck as a resolved Tortured Existence. The deck can out grind anything.

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>>46468519
It's pimped out, it doesn't have to look good.
Only 8th and 9th Edition have foils, but 8th Edition is more expensive.

>>46471353
Anything but enchantment removal.

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I played against this in the MTGO pauper league. It seemed really fun. It worked well against my tokens, since he gave it protection from white, or shadow.

I still managed to get the win because I just had too much life, but how would one build this deck effectively?

I understand the combo is Tireless Tribe+ Inside Out, and he played Squadron Hawk to get his hand full of card he didn't care about tossing, but I never saw much of his deck beyond the combo.

>>46441921
Psychotic Fury seems worse to me than Temur Battle Rage.
What is Fury going to draw you in to that is really actually better than paying 0 mana for trample?
It also doesn't affect Kiln Fiend, and Kiln Fiend is the nuts.

>>46448222
You need 4x Tortured Existence, yesterday.
>How do I beat mono-u delver?
You dredge with Stinkweed Imp every turn, then drop it back in your grave with a TE, and remove the 5 cards you got back to cast mandrils or most of the time actually angler because you're casting the other cards in your hand. Do this every turn and eventually they won't have a counterspell.

>>46472294
see >>46428822
The deck is called "Inside Out".

>>46471882
I splashed green in Teachings for a while largely to give me a better matchup against Tortured Existence. It was still torture to play through.

>>46453262
>>46453291
>>46453621
playin ur blitz currently (yeh call me bloody bastard), do you think having curse/erasure in my side would actually help against red circle?
currently my only option is boosting up and hitting with delvers cuz no one plays blue circles

also the most cuntish deck i had against whose plays red circles is acid, that has no problems smashing down my erasure/curse if i want to try win with em

>>46474105
No. Unless you want to have a transformational sideboard where you turn your entire deck into a UR draw go control deck you won't benefit from having Curse.

>>46428419
Counterspell is Uncommon. If Uncommon cards are allowed, I'm going to run Mana Drain not Counterspell.

>>46474245
Counter spell has been printed at common several times.

Has someone tried to make gain "control of target creature/return target creature to its owner's hand"? I tried to make one but it seems to be pretty retarded.

>>46476748
w-what card is that

>>46476764
Oh, I mean control of target creature/return target creature to its owner's hand based deck. I was thinking about gaining control of some opponent's fatties and then burn them with red spells or return to hand with blue but for first 4-5 turns it's just empty ground and I don't really know what should I use to fill those first moments

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>>46476748
Doesn't work.

I brewed something vaguely similar to that 3 threads back.
The deck Act of Treason effects into a sac outlet.
Wasn't very good, but here you go: >>46387623

The main issue is that the only commons that steal control of things are pic related.

>>46471882
8th and 9th editions are my fav, specially the Tower art with Urza and Karn looking at it. Just wish it was black bordered.

>>46448222
Mulligan for TE.
Drop TE when they can't counter.
Win game because if they have to bounce it, counter it's a huge tempo loss

>>46477231
I found these cards to but dropped most of them or just reduce to 1 copy each. CMC was 3important5me so Ray of Command gone away to pack as many Act of Treason and Traitorous Blood as possible. Maybe if combine low CMC creatures with "return target creature" with those two and some burn like lightning bolt etc

>>46477231
>>46435340
Act of Treason's worse versions probably aren't good enough to be a deck, but Act itself seems really good in BR aristocrats.

>>46478743
With traitorous blood thats 8 copies of the same effect so

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http://deckstats.net/decks/62449/461403-bear-s-companion-pauper-edh-gu
Is there a hope for my deck? It's the first one so I know it's probably useless

>>46480229
There's the new blue flicker from SOI but I think it only returns EOT. Aside from that you could try more ramp and some bounce stuff to keep recasting Companion.

>>46478798
Forcing gates is a hassle, but an extra 1 for a 2/4 body and potential for flicker/bounced is nothing to sneer at.\

>>46480229
Add the Ravnica karoo lands.
Cut Elvish Mystic for Fyndhorn Elves
Add every common tutor that's on color, which is most common tutors.

>>46480495
I was thinking about recasting but most of the spells are "return to owner's hand" and only one or two with "exile then return on the battlefield". I thought populate and pumping with trample and counters would be cheaper - spending mana to cast returning spell + 5 mana seems a lot. But yeah, I will try to make second deck with your tips and >>46480586 draw

>>>46480586 Add every common tutor that's on color, which is most common tutors.
To reiterate,
not counting cards that tutor extra copies of themselves,
not counting cards that only tutor lands (except Crop Rotation), and
not counting cards that only tutor rebels/mercenaries,
that list is:

Brainspoil (off-color)
1BB - tutor a CMC =5

Crop Rotation
G, sac a land - tutor a land into play untapped

Dimir House Guard (off-color)
1BB - tutor a CMC =4

Dimir Infiltrator (off-color)
1UB - tutor a CMC =2

Dizzy Spell
1UU - tutor a CMC =1

Drift of Phantasms
1UU - tutor a CMC =3

Fierce Empath
2G - tutor a creature with CMC => 6, comes with a 1/1

Merchant Scroll
1U - tutor an instant

Muddle the Mixture
1UU - tutor a CMC =2

Mystical Teachings (flashback is off-color)
3U (or flashback 5B) - tutor and instant or flash

Perplex (off-color)
1UB - tutor a CMC =3

Shred Memory (off-color)
1BB - tutor a CMC =2

Totem-Guide Heartbeast (off-color)
4W - tutor an aura, comes with a 2/5

Trinket Mage
2B - tutor a CMC =<1 artifact, comes with a 2/2

Vedalken Aethermage
3 - tutor a wizard

Wirewood Herald
1G - tutor an elf when it dies, 1/1

>>46478743
I will try it out in the sideboard against larger deck. Tron in particular.

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Is this a decent enough replacement for Chromatic Star in Tron?

>>46482819
Why not get stars?

Also, no, it is not. Get crop rotation.

>>46477231
Ray of Command is common? I guess I can run one in my crappy Teachings.

>>46482819
I think it'd suit better in Kuldotha Jeskai, since you can run sac outlets for artifacts.

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How does affinity beat this motherfucker. Whenever my hand ends up a turn slow and this hits the field I just outright lose.

>>46483446
Marauder is really frustrating for any aggri deck that isn't Infect.

>>46432015
>>46430888
What's so wrong about cockatrice? Or is this just a case of butthurt MTGO users?

>>46484092
Tron itself is pretty frustrating for anything without counterspells. It feels like it is a 20-80 matchup against my jeskai kuldotha

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>>46484475
Some people hate having fun for free, Anon

>>46485000
How is it that Tron manages to be the worst deck in every format where it's a thing?

>>46485254
Well, Modern Tron seems really good on paper, but it's like everybody forgets it's bad against aggro and combo decks. It only beats decks that beat what beats itself.

>>46483343
That's ... an amazing idea actually.

>>46483446
Sideboard in some decent control.

>>46485254
It's a very flashy way to be underwhelming slowly.

>>46487065
Thanks! I think it goes nicely with Blood of the Innocent.

>>>46487100 Blood of the Innocent
That's ... *a really fucking amazing idea actually.

>>46485604
As a burn player with artifact removal sideboarded, I love tron players. Morons are dead before they even play a fucking card.

>>46483446
If you surrender in response to it being cast, it won't have the opportunity to resolve.

>>46487100
You mean Innocent Blood, right?

If so, then yes, that's a sweet sweet interaction

>>46489626
Oh, yeah, I translated it literally because I'm tired.

>>46489626
Google finds it well enough.

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>>46428419

Been talking to a friend about going through his collection and making pauper decks out of them. The furthest his collection goes is like 2005?

>>46489911
>kamigawa onward
That's early enough for Time Sspiral
Which is good
Time Spiral has tons of good commons.

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This guy here has to be good at something.

>>46481189
Heliod's pilgrim
2w, 1/2, tutor an aura

goblin matron
2r, 1/1, tutor a goblin

>>46483446
How do creature die? What am removal?

>>46490456
Might give it a spin in Aristocrats.

>>46490456
Can recur mogg war Marshal/butcher ghoul/sultai emissary in RB Aristocrats?

>>46490681
Yeah. In theory it sounds pretty sick to be able to to sack a War Marshal and a Driver to Carrion Feeder or Bloodthrone Vampire and then be able to sack the War Marshal all over again, and get a shitload of tokens while doing so.

>>46490465
>inb4 toolbox

>>>46490456 to the battlefield.
o.O

>>46480586
>Cut Elvish Mystic for Fyndhorn Elves
...For style points?

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>>46491353
Pretty much.

>>46491234
>>46490681
>>46490456
After trying it out for some games I can confirm that Driver is a good inclussion in the deck, though his casting cost is high so I'd probably limit him to two or three copies.

Pretty much your entire deck costs 2 anyway, and he allows you steal wins in really stupid ways, like saccing the Driver to bring back Perilous Myr which you sac immediately. He also gives the Rotting Rats extra value which is good, because I have so far not been very fond of them.

>>46482819
In Affinity McAtog?
Yes. Terrarion is a mediocre Chromatic Star.
In Tron? No.
Chromatic Sphere is a decent replacement for Chromatic Star.
But your were going to run 4 Chromatic Spheres from the start too.

But either way you should shell out for Chromatic Stars.
They're expensive by common standards, but that doesn't mean they're actually expensive.

Why is Chain Lightening so expensive? I'm about to just proxy them.

Why can't I make a top tier deck without blowing 60 bucks online for it shipped?

>>46494083
What's a good replacement for Chain Lightening?

>>46484475
Cuckatrice acquiered MWS users.
You know what is wrong with MWS users, right?

>>46494083
Aside from an extremely expensive event deck, it only saw print in a set that predates Fallen Empires.
And before Fallen Empires WotC literally couldn't manufacture enough product to fulfill their orders.

>>46494106
Chain Lightning is a slightly worse kill spell then lightning Bolt, and a slightly better Burn spell insofar as i's occasionally an awkwardly costed lava axe.
Just run bolts umpteen through umpteen + 4. There are enough good burn sells in the format that you have to cherry pick them.
If you can't figure out the next best burn spells for your deck, post your list.

>>46494660
I have everything but the Chain Lightening. It would have to be a one cost Burn that dies at least 3 or 2 :(. I just don't understand the price.

>>>46494775 I have everything but the Chain Lightening.
See, the thing about netdecking is, I still don't know your list.
Post it, link it, whatever. But show it to us.

>I just don't understand the price.
Did you ... read the post you just replied to?
It's an extremely limited run card from 1994, that also happens to be good enough to see play.

TIME FOR SHITBREWING!!

So i want madness to be an actual thing in Pauper. So im staring with this pile of garbage and am going to improve from there. I like Tortured Existence as a wonderful recursion Permanent and madness enabler.

http://deckstats.net/decks/22665/462111-pauper-madness

>>46495272
Cut the Dark Withering for a Ghastly Demise, or better yet Chainer's Edict.
Faithless Looting is the reason madness decks splash red. You should feel bad for not running it.
Gorgon Recluse will always out perform Twins of the Maurer Estate (though Twins are one of the better madness creatures).
Tortured Existence /really/ doesn't work without Dredge.

Oh, speaking of which:
>>46448222 >>46477746
Don't forget that Golgari Brownscale heals you when /anything/ puts it into your hand from your graveyard.
Instant speed 2 mana for 2 life (or 1 mana for two life with 2 Brownscales) is a very nice mana dump.
Especially in grindy matchups like control.

>>46495476
>Looting

Fuck i did not even think about that. Now why do you say Tortured Existance doesn't work without Dredge? Not that i disbelieve you but i would honestly think that recuring my Dogs/Twins/Wurms/whatever while proceeding to CAST those same cards would be a good thing. Or am i missing something?

>>46495519
TE=Value from grave
Dredge=HUGE amounts of things in the grave

Dredge in TE is basically "get 5~ cards worth of card advantage".

>>46495272
I strongly advice against playing three colors in Pauper, especially in aggressive decks. If you really want to play with Tortured Existence then go BG and replace your red cards with cards like Stinkweed Imp and Grave Scrabbler. Dredge might not be exactly what you want, but you do need to have creatures in your graveyard to be able to use Tortured Existence at all - you can't activate it without legal targets.

Otherwise just go UG. It's already a thing.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/casual-related-formats/paper-pauper-and-peasant/559544-pauper-u-g-madness

>>>46495563 Dredge in TE is basically "get 5~ cards worth of card advantage".
You're a bit off, but it's essentially this.
Though instead of 5 cards worth of card advantage it's 5 cards worth of dig.

Faithless Looting into Dredge into Tortured Existence is insane though.
It can dig 10 cards deep for 1 mana with flashback and the option of triggering Madness.
And if you slap Delve onto the end of that it also gives you 11 mana.

>>46495575
Hmm no i see where you are coming from, but this IS pauper so im going to build both and see where it takes me. But here is a question if i cut red from the TE build how do i discard stinkweed from my hand in the first place if i have no legal targets for the TE? Relying on Dog alone seems shaky at best.

>>46495759
Putrid Imp is also a card, or you can get him into the graveyard with Satyr Wayfinder. If you're on the draw you can also not play a land your first turn and discard Stinkweed that way.

>>46495676
>You're a bit off, but it's essentially this.
Layman terms, dredging a brownscale and then getting it back to hand vs mono U control is a huge pain in their dick UNLESS they're milling you, then you should pray they don't have any grave hate and destroy their hand with raven's crime, play the centaur and enjoy an infinite yard.

>>46495815
>Imp

Man i really forget a lot of things don't I? So that is eight discard outlets by turn 2. Should i include any removal like Doomblade/Victim of Night?

>>46495759
>>46495815
>>46495895
Alternative:
Straight up play him and chump anything, fucker's value.

>>46495918
So how about this?

http://deckstats.net/decks/22665/462111-pauper-te-madness

>>46432597
I've invested $20 into MTGO, $10 to buy the game and $10 in tickets and I've got a few pauper decks. No clue what you're talking about.

>>46437686
Show one top8

I just found out a store I go to has a Pauper tournament tomorrow. What deck should I bring? I have Affinity, MBC, Tron and Delver but I haven't played with any of the decks yet. I don't know the meta at all.

>>46495918
Or, play him, sac him to Altar's Reap, get instant dredge.

>>46497938
Either works, I prefer chump because value motherfucker.

>>46498007
Sometimes your opponent is playing creatureless Teachings.

>>46498048
JUST FACE.

>>46495844
>dredging a brownscale and then getting it back to hand
If you're trying to stall you can just Tortured Existence it into your hand.
Read the card, it doesn't care what puts it in your hand.

>>46499031
As I said: "Getting it back to your hand" didn't specify how, I meant you dredge 5, get a scale and then get it safely to hand with TE anon...

Guy who posted >>46490456 here

What creatures besides Mogg War marshall are worth returning, in your opinion? I was thinking of Abyssal Gatekeeper, Harvest Wurm, Marytr of Bones as sideboard, Multani's Acolyte, Sakura Tribe Elder, all the rats that make players discard cards, Spore Frog and I don't know what else.

>>46499778
ETB effects>On death effects

>>46499778
It depends on what type of deck you're playing. Driver could theoretically go into a grindy midrangey deck and bring back value creatures as it trades with other creatures and removal spells, or it can be used more proactively in Aristocrat builds and be sacrificed to bring back other sac targets.

>>46499871
Of the ones I mentioned, only Gatekeeper is a death effect.

>>46499937
You're right, but there are many creatures that'd be good here. No Brindle Shoat though, I play paper pauper

>>46500152
Don't.

>>46500340
It's way better to play the real deal instead of bothering with a shitty UI.

>>46500365
>Paper banlist pauper
>"Le real deal x-D"
>>>/v/
>>>/reddit/

>>46500429
But...I play with the MTGO banlist and released commons?

>>46500448
>and released commons?
Only correct way of playing:
Online banlist.
Online rarity list.

>>4650042
I really wish this type of shitpost would die. It's not going too though.

>>46500152 >>46500448 >>46500457
A big issue with discussion cardpool schisms is how many subdivisions there are.
I haven't been in this thread's hissy fit yet, but I have a hard time keeping up with who uses what.

My paper cardpool is:
Everything printed at common in paper (by Gatherer rarities, not pack frequency (I'd rather use pack frequency for older sets but it's a hassle to check)),
Everything downshifted to common in MTGO,
Nothing on the MTGO banlist.

>>46500152 seems to be using:
Everything printed at common in paper (by Gatherer rarities?),
Maybe some banlist?

>>46500566
Are you trying to link too >>46500429?

Would you idiots read the OP.
MTGO card pool and banlist. Anything else is your homebrew ruleset that doesn't matter.

Don't call it Pauper, you're playing your own home rules.

>>46500603
But that's wrong. There is no difference between MTGO and paper rules.

MTGO card pool and banlist.

>>46477331
Get them foiled, or the Russian printing of 9th. Both gives you black borders.

>>46490456
This is some fucking Reveillark shit right here, holy hell.

What if:
Pauper general tournament on cockatrice/Xmage?

>>46501130
THIS.

>>46500603
>>46501130
>>46501164
When I see paper pauper I assume it's the MTGO cards, but in real life. Why is it so hard for you people to understand?

>>46502033
Is there any place that actually lists those cards? Gatherer isn't very helpful.

>>46502033
Paper pauper normally means home-brew shitformat instead of "I'm playing PAUPER in PAPER" which is not the same.

>>46502166
I guess this is what you want.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/casual-related-formats/paper-pauper-and-peasant/662888-differences-between-mtgo-and-paper

>>46494393
what?

>>46503479
MWS users are literally the most butthurt, shit players, angry and 24/7 assholes.

t. ex-MWS player.

Are angler devler and delver fiend still viable decks ? My locals started picking up paper pauper for weekly events and I have my old decks from when my legacy group played.

>>46502981
It is, thanks!

>/paupertg/ will never work together to build a great TE list

Why even post?

>>46504346
Im still trying.

So what do you guys think of this?
http://deckstats.net/decks/22665/462111-pauper-te-madness/en

>>46504435
That's an interesting mix of madness with TE. I'd run the new madness removal instead of Victim of Night.
Have you tested it? I think you'd have some trouble keeping the engine up with only Stinkweed Imp to dredge.

>>46504570
I looked up other common dredge cards. There are like 5 of them and none are higher than Dredge 3. Besides Stinkweed basically has deathtouch and can block flyers. None of the common dredgers are bolt proof, but Stinkweed give my opponents the most incentive to NOT bolt it out of the sky because they do not want to give me dredge 5 (ie spend a card to turn my engine on). Shambling Shell is the only other one id consider due to its ability to put itself in the GY at a time of my choosing. But IDK what to take out for it.

As for the new madness removal i dont like how it specifies tapped dudes. That implies that at the earliest they are already swinging at me before i can madness it, id rather do that EoT the turn they played it and Victim does that much better.

>>46504946
Also does anyone know if the Modern Masters sets were printed on MTGO? My shop is doing paper pauper events soon-ish and we are following the MTGO card list and banned list to the letter. And Moldervine Cloak is only at common in MM, its uncommon in Ravnica base set.

>>46504946
But you can cast it for the madness cost by discarding it after you opponent has declared attackers.

TE runs Golgari Brownscale, since it gives 2 life when discarded, and dredges for only 2, which is good when the game goes on for way too long.

>>46505004
Should i run Brownscale over Stinkweed then?

>>46505040
No, Stinkweed is great. Cut one of them and one Grave Scrabbler for the Brownscales, see if it works.

>>46428419
I have 26 dollars and I really want to play some pauper. Preferably a blue style of control deck.
Any suggestions?

>>46505267
Teachings desu

>tfw some stuff for my TE arrived

Now I don't know if I should splash white, red or nothing at all.

>>46503747
Yeah I'd say so although theyre kinda different decks.

>>46506138
What are the options for each splash?

>>46507291
Red has Faithless Looting and Mogg War Marshall, White has Auramancer, Lone Missionary and Kor Skyfisher. The only thing that interests me is the Auramancer for sideboard purposes.

>>46505002
Yes they were. Otherwise gutshit wouldnt be available.

>>46485000
I play green tron, but I feel that matchup is very 50/50

It's one of my favorite matchups because I see the grindy deck shift gears into a controlly type build.

>>46508052
Auramancer makes the deck more versatile

How much does Mogg really help when you have so many efficient creatures in the deck?

>>46510033
I was thinking of TOKENS FOR DAYS
so I could overwhelm my opponent with them sooner or later. There's also Icatian Crier in white.

>>46474635
Common like Three Visits?

Who else is hyped for that one sided fight card from Shadows? Can't wait to combo that with Deadly Recluse and Thornweald Archer for maximum keks.

>>46511553
What did he mean by this?

>tfw all my decks have U or B
>tfw 4 out of 7 are G/B

I may have a problem.

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>>46503496
That would explain a lot. My last game I played on Cuckatrice was like this:

>Playing vs Esper Dragons (inb4 LOL STANDARD)
>He's pretty much done for, I have lethal on the board and all of his dragons are dead and he has 1 card in hand. I'm at 5 life.
>He uses Haven of the Spirit Dragon to try to get an Ojutai from his GY
>He realizes that he exiled all his dragons with his DTT
>Asks for a take back
>I say no but he replaces an exiled Ojutai with a card from his GY
>I ask him wtf he's doing
>He proceeds to then CAST the Ojutai and that 5 mana destroy all non dragons card
>I tell him that he's lost
>He says "GG I win"

>mfw

>>46513363
This so much. Just get on MTGO. The pauper decks are cheaper than the paper. Chain Lightening isn't 16 bucks a fucking pop, for instance.

>>46513652
Yeah but Red/Blue Elemental Blast is more expensive online than in paper

>>>46513652 The pauper decks are cheaper than the paper. [citation needed]
What is or isn't expensive varies wildly between paper and online.
Paper's most expensive decks are more expensive than online's,
but online's deck are more expensive on average.

>>46513183
I have made a similar realization, but what am I to do, blue and black are just the best colors.

>>46514213
Factor in shipping and its almost the same.

>>46515407
Black seems to have a lot of highly efficient creatures.
Though I would have guessed it was big because of the removal?

>>46515906 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
All the FLGSs in my area keep their commons inventoried.

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>want to play paper pauper
>suggest pauper to friends and lgs
>lgs is fine but needs players of course
>friends and people at store thinks it's neat
>be two week later no one has a deck
>they say they will get to it eventually
>be a month later, only 1 fucking person made a deck

Am I doomed to play on mtgo? I don't want to come off as a naggy fuck.

>>46515923
Spot removal, edicts, distruption, value creatures. Black has it all.

>>46511784
Ur gon git 241 bolted senpai

>>46516297
Build at least two decks and lend one out to people. If they like it they will build their own decks soon enough.

>>46516297
Yeah, you should definitely prove to them that the format is fun by just lending out some decks and let them have a go at it.

If you also introduce them to the top decks of the format, the spikes will know what decks to play and the brewers will know what decks to beat. Makes it much more palpable. You can do it friendo.

>>46516470
>>46516501
Huh, don't know why that never crossed my mind, thanks.

In that case, what would be the best deck to make. Would really prefer a deck that would have even, interactive, back and forth matches with. To get them excited and all. I personally play Kuldotha Jeskai, what would you guys suggest?

>>46516470
I tried to make Burn and now I'm stuck with no chain lightening. Waste of my stupid money. Should have just bought Slivers and Stompy online for 60 bucks a pop.

>>46516618
MBC, a GB/GBx graveyard deck, madness, monowhite tokens or monogreen midrange, teachings could all work.

Maybe avoid blitz, affinity burn, infect and stompy. Delver interacts but people don't like getting counterspelled and beaten down.

>>46516884
CL is far from mandatory.

>>46516975
There is literally no one cost 3 damage spell to run in Burn. I guess you could run some more haste and leave the field creatures but that's super inefficient.

>>46517155
Sorry, there is no OTHER 3 damage 1 cost spell. What would you replace it with?

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>>46517160
A 2 mana spell probs. What's your list so far?

>>46517160
Kiln Fiend or Spark Elemental.

>>46502166
>>46502981
http://mtg-hunter.com/?formats%5B0%5D=MTGO%20Pauper

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Is this cards text saying that only IF they have the same card in hand deal 5 damage? The wording is super weird.

>>46517734
No, it's saying the opponent can choose to take 5 instead of letting Salvo deal 3 to his creature.

>>46517773
Thought I found a good card :(

>>46517833
>bolt your bro or axe your face
Not the worst card. Just not a lot of people are comfy with giving your opponent the final choice.

>>46518022
It's strictly worse than Lightning Bolt.

>>46518053
Still better than shock.

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>>46518077
At least with Shock the damage is guaranteed to hit the desired target.

'opponent chooses' cards rarely work out well for you.

>>46518077
Shock can kill the opponent when he's at 2. Shock can also kill important creatures with 2 toughness. Blazing Salvo can't do either. It's only better than Shock when you need to deal 3 damage to a creature and your opponent has 5 or less life left.

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>>46517734
>>46517833
There was a whiole cycle of them. People generally got what they did, but one of them in particular really made people confused thanks to an unfortunate linebreak.

>>46518311
Is that what got confused, how did people get confused about that?

>>46518396
Because of the first linebreak a lot of people read the card as
>Unless a player has Book Burning, deal 6 damage to him or her

>>46518425
>being this fucking retarded is humanly possible

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Thinking of a tweak on mono white with this chap, lone missionary, whitemane lion and kor skyfisher. What else plays nicely with those friends?

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What is the breast looking uncommon for pEDH?

oh no, I won't let it die

>>46519953
I'd been thinking of something similar, but Thraben Inspector doesn't look good enough for that.
Even if he did, I doubt the color consistency would be worth the loss of your second color.
>What else plays nicely with those friends?
Glint Hawk seems pretty obvious.

This deck would work better if you based it on Boros Kitty rather than Azorious Kitty.
I'll write up and post a starting list soon, I guess.

>>46522561
Please at least pretend to contribute while you bump the thread.

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Current look of my BR Artistocrats list, last seen in >>46436428.

What I've found is that I really, really, really don't like Rotting Rats, so I cut them completely. This isn't a reanimation strategy, and the deck isn't lacking in getting targets for Unearth anyway. The Rats more often than not were more disruptive for me than my opponent was the feeling I got from them.

Lightning Bolt was usually underwhelming. Eventually I realized that I'd probably want to play four more creatures rather than a burn spell that, while highly efficient, doesn't really help my gameplan in any way.

Perilous Myr is an amazing card in this deck and should be an automatic 4 of in any deck of this variety.

Viscera Seer is great and I can't believe that I didn't play it before. I only play two though and that's because I don't usually want to see more than one Seer, and he doesn't have an as immediate impact on games as Bloodthrone Vampire or Carrion Feeder. He is extremely good at finding the other sac outlets however, or just filtering away lands, or bad draws in general.

Bloodthrone Vampire is my fastest kill but usually my worst sac outlet. This wasn't really surprising to me, it was something I expected from the very beginning which is why I was and still am only playing three Vampires. Having one in your start hand along with a Mogg War Marshal, a Butcher Ghoul and an Unearth usually means that your opponent won't get to play Magic for that many turns. However, most of the time it's absolutely pointless for me to sac to the Bloodthrone. When she's my only sac outlet in play my opponent's will just play their removal spells in their second main phase and suddenly she provides no value for me.

>>46524378 cont.

An awful lot of people sideboard against me like I'm a graveyard reliant deck. They board in Nihil Spellbombs and Relics just to be able to get at my graveyard, but other than being able to exile Butcher Ghoul before it goes undying there's really no value to it. The only other cards that care about things in my graveyard are Unearth - which can Cycle - and Driver - which is a body regardless and which I will side out if I see that my opponent brought in graveyard hate or suspects he will. The deck is focused around things dying, not things being in the graveyard.

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Added cycle lands and curse of chains sideboard (over dark withering).

>>46524378
Has it performed well against the meta decks? What are some problems you've found while playing with it?
Is Drive of the Dead worth the 3 slots? I posted it earlier in the thread, and I think you were the only who who tested it.

Why isn't Pauper Commons AND Uncommons?
I mean it's in Uncommon where all the fun is without being op.

>>46527488
The point of pauper is to be a cheap format accessible to all, uncommons open up expensive cards like Aether Vial and Force of Will.

>>46524378
trying out perilous myr in my list now, thanks anon

>>46527488
I mean, once you've included Force of Will, Skullclamp, Sensei's Divining Top, Counterbalance, Thopter Foundry, Sword of the Meek, Aether Vial, Bloodbraid Elf, Shardless Agent et al, you're gonna need an extensive banlist or else you're basically just Legacy by now. I want to throw in a whole bunch of Uncommons too? But I also know that I'd just play Shardless Sultai the whole damn time if that were the case.

>>46527463
I feel like three or two slots is right for this deck. I don't know yet if I actually want three. I might try out a third seed in its place. But it certainly performs in this deck.

>>46524378
I might also add that Hissing Iduanar, while serving as a means to some really fast kills that otherwise wouldn't be possible also is rather awkward because it provides no value on its own when it dies which means that I'm usually forced to make at least one sacrifice I'd rather wait for when he's targeted by a removal spell. This is also why I've choosen to play three rather than four.

Yes, he's really good in the right sircumstances, but he's also really bad in the wrong ones.

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>>46527488
If you want Uncommons go and play Peasant MTG.

>>46527859
well pauper is a gimped legacy.

But yeah. Pauper allows people to have cheap decks, and some uncommons are broken in power level, especially in old sets, where Rare didn't exist as a rarity yet.

>>46456026
Wasn't the issue with Threshold that players would get confused about whether or not the card being cast counted towards threshold?

At which point, Delirium is basically a more complicated threshold.

>>46531502
>spell resolves(does what's written on the card
>608.2k As the final part of an instant or sorcery spell’s resolution, the spell is put into its owner’s graveyard.
>doesn't count

why is it so hard

>>46532998
Do you not remember what /tg/ was like for the first month after we got the new symbol for colorless mana?

>>46533117
You have a point, rules can be hard to understand if you don't read the comprehensive rules compendium. Some still ask on the /edhg/ thread if the new Avacyn is mono White or W/R.

>>46523331
The idea was to play him in a tweaked version of the current mono white lists, not boros or azorius. I like him in kitty too, though it's a different deck.

>>46523331 ?
4x Ancient Den
4x Radiant Fountain
3x Kabira Crossroads
9x Plains

4x Expose Evil
4x Ichor Wellspring
4x Origin Spellbomb

4x Glint Hawk
4x Kor Skyfisher
4x Auriok Sunhaser
4x Thraben Inspector
3x Sanctum Gargoyle

4x Battle Screech
1x Oblivion Ring
4x Journey to Nowhere