Pathfinder General - /pfg/

I am starting to really hate /pfg/. It's odd. At one point I thought the folks here were more reasonable than the fuckers in the paizo forums. Then I realized the folks here are just as trash but in a different way.

I'm no shining example, but god damn.

>>46420043
Everyone's a shit, anon. It just depends on what kind of shit, and which annoys you more.

First to cast Tailful Polymorph, Mass on the entire party while they sleep!

>>46420012
This OP is an abstract kind of cancer.

>>46420043
Welcome to the world, anon. The way out's on the nearest roof.

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>>46420043

Oh, hey! It's this guy again! Lucky for you, your spot is still open.

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Dragons skeletons are good too

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>>46420043
And this an excuse to shitpost and ruin another thread?
Either make posts of actual quality, or stop talking and adding to the problem

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Skeletons are overused, let's talk about the littler undead. Like isitoqs! Isitoqs are cute!

I never got to play my extreme snowflake of a necromancer who wore the "blinded but +10 to all knowledges" mask and had a dozen isitoqs that she used to see...

>>46420198
Shit, I remember seeing some race or trait or SOMETHING that let you be blinded without suffering any penalties, and now I can't remember what it was!

>>46420198
Isn't that new Mesmer archetype pretty much that? Eyebiter I think.

>>46420234
>race or trait
Close, it's an alternate racial trait, from Blood of Shadows.

>Sure Step (2 RP): Adventurers can spend their whole careers in the alleys and sewers of large cities or the tunnels of the Darklands. Characters with this trait suffer no movement penalties when blinded or moving in darkness.
>Drow and half-elves can take this trait in place of keen senses.

>>46419961

What is going on in this image?

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>>46420288
Yeah, but it's really weird because they wasted a ton of pagespace listing custom flying-eyeball stats when they could've just said "isitoq but not undead".

>>46420335
It's from Fire Emblem Awakening; the Fighter character is using Dual Guard to take the hit for the Mage, and while Dual Guarding the ally that does the defending takes no damage whatsoever, no matter the circumstances.

>>46420198
Fuck now I know what I'm making when I get animate dead with my current necromancer

>>46420335
Fire Emblem. If one character is adjacent to another being attacked, they'll sometimes randomly leap in front of the attackee and take the hit full on, somehow resulting in no damage to either of them.

>>46420338
... Huh.

The Eyebiter's eyeball is Fine.

But an Isitoq is Diminutive.

>>46420385

I guess the wingspan ratchets up the size.

>>46420385
Eyebiter's doesn't have "wings", which explains the size and speed differences.

>>46420335

I want to know the name of the cute Mage.

>>46420365
Thought you could only make skeletons, zombies, or their varients w/ Animate Dead

DSP, when are you gonna bully Paizo?

>>46420493
The Isitoq specifically says Animate Dead in the bit talking about how to make them.

>>46420493
Read the bestiary entry

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>>46420493
Nah, there's a fair variety of other creatures that've come out. Ranging from exoskeletons (for all the vermin), to isitoqs and behead, to TOP-TIER frostfallen.

>>46420481
Miriel, and in the massive waifu simulator that is Awakening, she is one of the worst.

>>46420540
I think you can also make fossil dinosaurs

>>46420540
Does that include Undigested?

>>46420556

But she's got glasses and looks like a real freak!

>>46420590
She's basically a businesswoman cliche. She's here to study magic and do war.

>>46420556
Awakening?

>>46420649
Fire Emblem Awakening.

>>46420663
I can't play that ;-;

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>>46420572
Sadly, no. They, as well as guys like the echohusks from Occult Bestiary, didn't come with any means of creation written in.

The entries from the occult bestiary and bestiary 5 look like fun

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>>46420690
I think any gm worth their weight would allow it to be made as long as it makes sense, i.e. Cut a dead monsters stomach open and cast animate dead on its contents, along with something acid related.

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>>46420726
Bestiary 5 is hells of fun.

>>46420495
DO NOT BULLY

>>46420495
Do they not bully Paizo all the time, by being better at their job?

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>>46420827
>inb4 the first page of DSP's system says something like "Gleefully INcompatible with the 3.pth edition of the world's oldest roleplaying game!"

>>46420888
Or open it with a mock-up of the OGL that says something completely different.

>>46420888
>>46420940
Maybe it'll say "Fuck you cunts, we're better than you"

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>>46421004
That seems very unprofessional.

And honestly, I think they can manage a better start to their own thing than to spend any time at all being whiny bitter jackasses.

>>46421078
>what is their displeasure at Occult Adventures

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/pfg/, in the process of making a Brutal Slayer/Bushi Stalker, I must know how many things I can use a trait or feat for in order to use my Strength or Wisdom modifier instead. I looked through the X to Y document in the zenith guide trove, and it looks like it's way out of date on top of only doing 1pp.

>>46421112
You can be displeased all you want.

But it's a terrible first impression if you make that the first thing you spend time talking about.

>>46420940
>Except for material designated as Product Identity (see above), the game mechanics of this game product are Awesome Game Content, as defined in the Awesome Gaming License. Any portion of this work may be reproduced in any form without written permission, unless you're Paizo, in which case go fuck yourselves.

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>>46421153
There really aren't many, afaik. The trait that you can use if you worship Irori and the Str to Intimidate feat are all that come to mind.

>>46421232
I giggled.

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What are your feelings on the latest additions to the outsider races from Bestiary 5, /pfg/? I'm speaking of:

>sahkils: NE, psychopomps who recognized that the cycle of souls is only postponing the inevitable, defected en masse, now live on the Ethereal Plane tormenting the souls they used to shepherd as a sort of "fuck you, we never owed you shit, we'll do what we want until the end comes"
>manasaputras: LG, high CR things from the 'Cosmic Fire' in the Positive Energy Plane, kinda self-fellating guys who find archons and angels 'too zealous?' and hang out with inevitables, seem in every sense like they should be LN except the writer wanted them to be unambiguous Wise Mentors You Should Listen To

What would y'all think of a PDF that was just a couple of pages of katana-based feats/spells, kitsune and tengu archetypes, etc?

Basically, maximum weeaboo.

>>46421463
The positive energy buddhist dudes are pretty lame I think
Sahkils are kinda cool though, the art did a good job of selling the horror aspect

>>46421509

We'd probably think it was pretty fucking dumb. Also, why katana and not yari, you fucking asshole?

>>46421509
I'd read it.

>>46421641
While the Yari was the Japanese melee weapon of choice, the Katana is the Weeaboo melee weapon of choice.

Try and keep up, senpai.

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>>46421232
Ironic cos they got famous clinging to pfshit's system

>>46421682

Ah, makes much more fucking sense now. Thanks motherfucker, love you.

>>46420540
>>frostfallen wyvern mount

My wizard needs this, if I could prevent the cold damage from touching it.

Those eye things are pretty cool too, my GM has expressly said she doesn't want a lot of undead since they slow the game down but a small brace or Isitoqs can't hurt.

It's that or bloody skeleton bears, which are a bit unimaginative.

>>46421463
I wanna see a xenophobia sahkil.

>>46421509
If the katana can't cut throw a tank, I'll be bitterly disappointed

>>46421707
And they're meant to be grateful? On a good day, Paizo is negligent and malicious. They're traitors, incompetents, and bullies. No one owes that filth anything.>>46421728

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>>46421463
As a big daemon fan, I kinda like that the sahkils have the same mindset as so many daemon-worshippers that I've played, and make a nice little closed-circle within NE motivations.

>daemons: "awful things were done to/by us as mortals, so we're going to end all life to spite the reality that we hated"
>sahkils: "all life is going to end eventually, so we're going to do awful things to mortals to spite the system that we served"

>>46421804
Where did the bad people touch you?

>>46421839
I have leftover rage from their backstabbing sham of a playtest. Paizo can rot in hell like the oathbreaking dogs they are.

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>>46421894
>backstabbing sham of a playtest
Which one?

>>46421894
Not that person, but I can't give paizo too much shit because they kept the system I know alive and thriving. That doesn't mean I like them, though.

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>>46421682

t b h f a m

When I think of japanese warfare I only think of guns

>>46421917
The initial beta. The one that lead to the CRB.

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>>46421894
Gettin' a little worked up there, aren't you, anon?

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>>46421894
This one?

>>46421947
Before my time, what happened?

>>46422026
They ignored some playtesters and banned quite a few.

>>46421944
That's why I said melee weapons, friend.

>>46422026
They promised to fix the system. Then they took hours of hard work and feedback, spat it in their testers' faces, mocked and flamed anyone that didn't conform to their doctrine, nerfed shit like Quick Draw out of spite, and then banned the loyal testers they'd betrayed.

After, SKR and Bulmahn spent years turning their forums into an echo chamber by bullying and flaming anyone with system knowledge, often followed by a ban.

They're traitor filth.

>>46422047
Oh, so like every Paizo playtest then. Good(?) to know some things never change and it's been like that from the start, anyway.

>>46422136
Why the fuck are you complaining NOW?

Nothing prompted this, you're making them sound like they fucking killed someone, and sounding like a whiny bitch while you're at it.

Yes, Paizo are shitters. There's no need to get so goddamn worked up over it.

At the end of the day it's only a game, you can walk away from this

>>46422246
Yeah, go outside for once

>>46422246
I never stopped. I'm just reminded more strongly of my grudge at times. Like when it's implied that anyone owes anything but spite to Paizo.

>>46422312
>Abloo bloo, someone likes someone I don't like

Grow up.

>>46422352
No u.

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>>46422352
>/pfg/ defending Paizo
Y...you guys know April Fools was yesterday, right?

>Unironic pazio defenders in the thread
how far /pfg/ has fallen

>>46422390
Paizo isn't completely awful, they're bad but not completely awful. They provide a base that others can expand upon and they keep our edition alive much to the dismay of some of y'all

>>46422390
I'm not defending Paizo. I'm condemning someone who seems to think they're Literally Hitler, when they're a regular band of idiots.

And not even 100% a band of idiots, just like, three idiots.

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>>46422412
I disagree, I was trying to find a specific rules citation for wording, the one about not being able to add the same ability twice to the same thing, and I found this little gem.
>Eating sentient things is chaotic.
>Unless they were your friends it's evil.
Eating sentient creatures is not evil, but misogyny is.... There are some severe ethical issues here.

>>46422474
Okay, yes that's stupid, just like the mouse/weapon cord. It's a stupid view point, but it's not important to the actual game.

>>46422474
>gross
>gross gross gross
Why is it ALWAYS "gross" with these people? It's their second-favorite word after "problematic"

At the end of the day it's only a game, you can walk away from this

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>>46422474
Hey, you can't claim he isn't consistent on the subject of eating intelligent monsters. JJ confirmed for Dungeon Meshi?

>>46422545

I can also stop loving the way the moon shines in your eyes, but I'm not about to do that either.

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Having just figured out how to do nice pretty image rips from my pdfs, I'm gonna post sahkils now and nobody can stop me!

>>46422601
Then stop complaining FFS GODDAMN

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Kimenhuls, the fear of failure! Imagine it talking down to you in your dad's voice.

>>46422527
Alignment is a real system in the game though, and that ruling makes it more evil to tell Casey that she belongs at home not on the battlefield because she is a woman, then it is to eat Casey. That is pretty fucked up all things considered and alignment is very much a mechanical thing.

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>>46422672
>the only way to be safe from it is to have given up on success anyway

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>>46422627
I prefer transparent ones

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Pakalchi, the insecurity of relationships! Here to post "not cheating" porn directly into your brain.

>>46422673
>Alignment is a real system in the game though

Yep, and JJ has a shit view on alignment. You won't get any arguments out of me about that. I'm just saying his forum post and views in that instance don't reflect the actual mechanics of the game.

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>>46422716
Yeah well it's all I got

Qoloks, the fear of never having enough!

>>46422474

>Eating people is chaotic

What about culturally/spiritually-mandated funerary cannibalism? Surely that's Lawful?

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Wihsaaks, the fear of crawling things and the awful ideas you can't get out of your head!

>>46422312
Why are you even in this thread? Just stop playing this shit then, there are way more better designed systems out there
Or do you just like complaining

>>46422474
You gotta differentiate between the act of cannibalism when the target is still fresh

>>46422758
It's JJ, if it's lawful that means it's actually evil instead.

>>46422821
At least since 2003 cannibalism (eating any sapient being) has been evil, doesn't matter if they're fresh or not. Although, actually, I can see it being not evil if you have to just to survive, like being trapped with bodies during a massive blizzard without other sources of food. Killing sapient beings just to eat them should still be considered evil.

>>46422801
I'll take, "only system my group plays" for $1,000, Mister Anon.

>>46421641
Ashigaru please go.

>>46422864
>At least since 2003 cannibalism (eating any sapient being) has been evil, doesn't matter if they're fresh or not. Although, actually, I can see it being not evil if you have to just to survive, like being trapped with bodies during a massive blizzard without other sources of food.

>subjective morality
>in D&D

Yes, and animating skeletons isn't evil if you use them for work!

>>46422891
Well intent does matter, because intent is the difference between killing and murder. The problem with d&d morality is that it's never defined where the line is drawn. Theft is chaotic, looting corpses of fallen enemies is still taking items that aren't yours, but it's not chaotic.

>>46422474
>>46422551
Does this mean JJ holds eating other intelligent beings in a higher regard than trying to help intelligent beings breed into optimal genetics?

>>46422913
A better analogy would be, robbing a grave is chaotic, and sometimes evil, robbing a corpse is not alignment shifting.

>>46422891

Does "chorus line during the necromancer's song" count as work?

>>46422955
Okay, I'm going to partially agree with JJ there and assume that the aryan race island is not good. That just sounds like something that has some sketchy shit going on. It may not be evil, but that doesn't sound good.

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>>46422955
'pparently.

>>46423011
It's no different than breeding Pokemon or Chocobos.

>>46422864
But that's more murder though

>>46423073
The difference is sentience.
Pokemon are not sentient neither are chocobos.

>>46423116
Pokemon actually are sentient and sapient.

>>46423073
Pokemon definitely ain't good. Breeding chocobos isn't necessarily bad.

>>46423093
I'm just saying, even the dnd objective alignments still depend on subjectivity, even if they don't want to discuss it because they realise they can't make their subjective views objective.

>>46423116
Pokemon are totes sentient.

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>>46423116
>Pokemon are not sentient

>>46423116
Arguably, from a dragon's perspective, neither are humans.

>>46423093
So what if you raise the sentient creatures explicitly for food? You don't make them suffer when they die, but that is their express purpose is to provide sustenance.
Still sounds pretty fucking evil to me, mostly because they are sentient.

>>46423012
>people used my filename

It's a strange kind of pride.

>>46423011
My only real problem with Mengkare is that he seems to think this will /work/. It won't. Inevitably, someone will turn out to have fiendish ancestry so distant he can't detect it - but not distant enough to avoid producing a Tiefling. Said Tiefling will then be contacted by agents of the Abyss looking to undermine the Glorious Endeavor, and all will be lost.

>>46423169
>Said Tiefling will then be contacted by agents of the Abyss looking to undermine the Glorious Endeavor, and all will be lost.
Anon, where did you think the occasional smoldering corpses were coming from?

>>46423169
I don't mind the concept of the island, I don't mind the idea that Mengkare thinks they're doing Good. I just, personally, don't think it's good, and I don't think the alignment system gives us enough information to go off of to determine whether or not it actually is.

>>46423116
>Pokemon are not sentient

Debatable. I still feel that a several-centuries old Gold Dragon is comparable to a Human the same way a Human compares to a Charmander.

>>46423185

The Official Government Smoldering Corpse Dispensary, of course.

>>46423185
Pirates! Aashaq maybe?

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>>46423116
It's Canon from in game books that Humans and Pokémon used to marry and mate. Also, shit like Lucario, Gardevoir, Mewtwo, and other blow your statement clear out of the water

>>46423169
Way to be racist and assume that it would be a tiefling who goes rogue. You really think HUMANS need the help?

>>46423260
>used to
Let's not fool ourselves.

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>>46423193
I just realized that Lolth also uses eugenics on the Drow in Faerun.

But she purposefully adds fiendish blood from Wendonai, faerzress radiation from the Underdark, and survival of the fittest.

If Mengkare is LG, and Lolth is CE, then eugenics is neutral. The only difference is the method and outcome.

>>46423169
I couldn't NOT.

"Rolling around at the speed of egg" makes me giggle like an idiot every time I say it.

>>46423280
Mhmm, I can get behind that except for the ovary death battles in drow societies.

>>46423116
>sentience
Wrong word dingus. Any animal capable of emotional response and problem solving is sentient, like dogs.

The word you're looking for is sapient

>>46423116
Why does everyone get sentience wrong, sentience is literally the ability to perceive and feel, basically every living thing thats not like a fucking plant is sentient. Sapience is more of a grey area thats harder to define and while chocobos probably aren't sapient pokemon definitely are.

>>46423317
Because D&D and PF use "sentient" for "sapient"

Same way they use "gender" for "sex", "monk" for "commoner", and "Lawful Good" for "Chaotic Neutral."

>>46423356
"They're just words, they don't have to mean anything! Like Ramalamadingdong, or Give Peace a Chance!"

>>46423356
Nah, that's not only just an issue in dnd and pf.`

>>46423261
It's a Tiefling the demons will take interest in.

They tend to lack subtlety, the folks of the Abyss. Not all of them, but there's a tendency - and who better to bring into their scheme than one who carries their blood? One tempted towards their ways? One easier to corrupt?

It's the /easiest/ puppet to utilize.

>>46422474
Now I want to make a PC race that gets temporary bonuses by eating part of a corpse, and has a culture like Stranger in a Strange Land where the dead get served as a meal at their funeral.

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>>46423296
Lolth did the same thing to herself during the War of the Spider Queen, sort of.

It's never to early to learn about survival of the fittest. She even allows her subjects to experience pleasure on more than one level during it.

Can Mengkare's subjects say the same?

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>>46423412

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Hey guys! I'm adventuring on the elemental plane of candy. What exciting locales do you recommend?

>>46423154
>average humans have equivalent or lower mental stats and far lower skills than a day-old wyrmling

Yeah, I could see that.

>>46423412
Why a race? Build a class around it.

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While we're on the subject of Mengkare, I'd like to hear more about his relations with other dragons.

Specifically, if a Chromatic came to him for information or some other non-hostile purpose, would he allow them to live?

And what's he think of the fact that Kwislingyr even managed to happen?

What's all this about a new book?

>>46423469
Wazzat?

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>>46423471
Why not go to the Licorice Forest?

I promise, nothing will go wrong.

>>46423489
Wouldn't that just be a weird specialist Vivisectionist, though?

>>46423471
Chocolate fondue Swamps. Gumdrop Forests. Lakes of Soda filled with swarms of swedish fish.

Make sure the part runs into a Rock Candy Elemental.

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>>46423412
>>46423469
>>46423523

>>46423523
>>46423562
It's one of the few races not to make it into Inner Sea Races. Also passed over for the last two Bestiaries. No one loves Kuru.

>>46423412
Summoner (Synthesist/Blood God Disciple)
Kuru Barbarian with Beast totem/natural attacks

Considering kitsune, tengu, etc, what weeaboo races is Pathfinder missing most?

>>46423828
The Narutard.

>>46423828

Tanuki, definitely.

>>46423841
Unchained Rogue (Eldritch Scoundrel)

>>46423169
He's a Great Wyrm Gold Dragon with the wealth of an entire nation and his own considerable hoard to fall back on.

He can spring for a Limited Wish to Reincarnate somebody away from Tiefling heritage if he has to.

>>46423874
Add Hidden Blade in there too, so you have two kinds of jutsus.

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>>46423828
In terms of playable races, I'm kinda mad there's not a kami/tsukumogami. It could fill the Eberron-changeling niche, too.

>>46423851
But how do you handle[/small] the giant balls?

>>46423898
What sorts of things would you want them to do?

>>46423497
Pretty sure he doesn't want chromatics near Hermea, but he could always fly to another spot to meet with them about it, he's relatively hands off for most of the day to day stuff in his project. He leaves every so often for the Dragon Convocation thing, too.

>>46423908
You have multiple options.

Play em 'as-is.
Convert the balls to something else (like giant tits or ass)
Just remove the balls.

>>46420012
>skeletons
Frostfallen > Skeleton + Skeleton Variants.

Prove me wrong.

>>46423956

Well, for one thing, you never hear about wheel frostfallen.

>>46423898
They're monsters instead of races.

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>>46423828
A playable version of a yuki-onna.

There might be more in the monster girl thread. >>>/jp/15014474

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>>46423967

>>46423969
You could maybe have a construct or native outsider race that works by possessing inanimate objects, keeping the same stats but getting a disguise bonus.

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So, is the anon that was interested in my game still around?

>Mondays, 6:30 PM, US Eastern
>irc and roll20 combo
>25 point buy
>20 point race build
>level 10
>standard wealth
>Spheres of Power and Path of War
>no vancian or psionics
>lewd stuff (sex fiend armies, Bad Ends, ERP, etc)

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>>46423932
Basically be a native outsider race with a bonded item as a racial feature. Let them:
>merge with their item to gain fast healing like the kami do
>have SLAs usable when merged based on the item type, like the Bonded Witch
>change shape like a mimic while merged with the item, but have the item revert to its base form (as selected at 1st level) when they leave the merge

Could have a racial variant that has familiars instead, and maybe a druidic variant for the plant spirits.

>>46422474
I'd say that eating sapient/sentient creatures is *probably* evil, though it requires a few extenuating circumstances.

If purely for survival? Probably not, though still morally questionable.

If part of some funerary right? Also probably not evil (depends on religion).

Does anyone have Monster Classes: Undead? It's not on the trove

>>46424037
Have it so they can allow an ally to use them as the relevant item, with bonuses scaling based on their level, and you have a race for Weapons from Soul Eater.

>>46424115
So basically, combine Bonded Witch and Synergist Witch?

>>46423908

Their massive balls apparently represent financial luck, so a bonus to Appraise for males, a bonus to something else for females?

>>46424037
>works by possessing inanimate objects

Way I see it, they've got +2 to one mental stat, -2 to one phyiscal stat, and then +2 to one stat depending on that kind of object they're possessing.

>+STR: Weapons
>+DEX: Clothes
>+CON: Armor
>+INT: Books
>+WIS: Religious items (holy symbols and whatnot)
>+CHA: Art

>>46422865
"funny" how many of us there are...

>>46423851
Tanuki already exist and they have a slam attack they explicitly don't need either arm to use.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/monstrous-humanoids/tanuki

>>46424215

Not as a race, though, which is what Anon asked.

>>46424145
I still do understand why everyone thinks cannibalism is evil. I mean sure, if you murder someone with the intent to cannibalize them then that's obviously evil, but that's because of the murder. If they're already dead then you're dealing with a corpse, not a person, so how can something be evil when there's no victim?

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>>46424168
I suppose, though it'd be going a bit further than Synergist.

>>46424179
You'd want the categories a bit more general, I think, since tsukumogami could be literally anything from a clock to a bolt of cotton. Maybe just material, rather than object type? Wood, metal, ceramic...

My group is about to start a new campaign, party is a fractured mind spiritualist, a crossbow based ranger, and a synthesist summoner. 20 point buy and starts at level 1, Paizo only. What should I play?

>>46423160
Like how cows and lamb are sentient?

>>46424324
wizard

>>46423562
Because it's racist

>>46424265
Its superstitions handed down through generations in an attempt to ward off prion diseases. Like Kuru or vCJD acting as a stand in for say, the wendigo. So you discourage cannibalism in order to attempt to prevent said the appearance of wendigos.

>>46424306
That works.

Would stone or metal be better for +STR? Cloth or paper could make a decent +CHA, but paper also plays well to +INT. Maybe have wood be +CON and ceramic be +WIS?

>>46424324
Wizard

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>>46423908
You could just make it so they all have giant balls. Pic related.

>>46424375
I think metal for STR and stone for CON fits

>>46423562
Sadly, Kuru's Cannibalistic Vitality is awful. If it was a temp HP per HD of the creature, or per level, or it stacked with itself up to a limit, it might be usable (if not something to build around), but as-written it's garbage because temp HP don't stack with themselves unless explicitly stated otherwise.

Still, it could make for a decent initiator. Stalker comes to mind.

>>46423969
>They're monsters instead of races.

See, this doesn't actually compute for /pfg/. When complaining you can't play a Harpy they bitch about the Strix for any reason from "they ugly" to "waaah they can't use the Harpy's special racial singing thing!" Nevermind you can just refluff a Strix' appearance. Nevermind that racial flight from level 1 is already ridiculous, give em more. When Bestiary 5 came out there were people whining for a playable Seilenos race. No, not a much more easily reworked playable Satyr, the god damn CR 19 Seilenos.

>>46424099
There were a few, but yes.

>>46424438
I thought by default, temporary HP stacks unless it's from the same source? Like the hp from vampiric touch and false life stack, but not two false lifes.

>>46424504
No, it overlaps.

>>46424523
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Temporary-Hit-Points

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>>46424395

Ladies who beat the shit out of enemies with their big, magical balls?

That could work.

>>46424544
Huh. I stand corrected.

>>46424483
Well then here's a Roll20 link to somewhere to hammer out details, though not the regular channel for games.

https://app.roll20.net/join/1258080/UTWn4g

>>46424696
This was a mistake.

>>46424714
How so?

>>46424324
Spiritualist is a arcane substitute right? By that logic cleric, but level 1 so I'd vote barbarian or some other melee. Maybe cavalier for lancing things the synthesist can't full attack

>>46424408
>>46424375
What'd be a good name for tsukumogami as a race, given that "tsukumogami" is already taken by the Bestiary 5 entries?

>>46424696
>join
Whoops!

>>46424324
>Spiritualist
Garbage.
>Ranger
Can be okay, b-
>Crossbow
Garbage.
>Synthesist Summoner
Garbage, but better than the rest.

Buff-centric Oracle would do well, two (if not three, depends on what the spiritualist goes for) of your party members are attack-roll-damage-dealers. Just casting Bless and getting into melee with a Longspear behind the Synthesist every encounter would be a great boon early on - accuracy outweighs damage in rusty dagger shanktown, because everybody dies in one or two hits.

Be sure to grab Dispel Magic at 6th.

>>46424837
Poltergeist, maybe?

Same idea of possessing objects.

>>46424859
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/undead/poltergeist
Are you even trying

>>46424846
You'll have to explain, I don't think anyone's had issues with linking that way before.

Nip monsters feel out of place as fuck, specially the waifubait playable races like kitsune etc.
Awful.

>>46424929
Care to elaborate? Fantasy Japan is a thing after all.

>>46424855
>Synthesist
>Garbage
What are you smoking anon? It's less strong than regular summoner, but not garbage by any means, especially starting at level 1. Unless you're one of those 'you're tier 1-2 or you're garbage' types, in which case you're wrong by default.

>>46424837
Mottainai for the concept of wasting things, or to get a little less weeb with it, Wastrels.

>>46424953
It's a mid-caster centered on melee with its own spell list.

Know who does that better with greater non-combat versatility?

Magus.

Do succubi starve?
I've captured a few, dont want to kill them but we only have regular food and we dont have the luxury of taking a week of to restore negative levels.

>>46424869
Well cripes.

Don't have much else to offer wot isn't made-up.

>>46424946
There is nothing to elaborate really, pathfinder is western to the bone and such ethnic specific stuff feels forced as fuck

>>46425004
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/creature-types#TOC-Outsider
>Outsiders breathe, but do not need to eat or sleep (although they can do so if they wish). Native outsiders breathe, eat, and sleep.

>>46424915
I mean I didn't want to join that. After checking the sheets
>gnoll
I'm definitely glad I didn't want to join that.

>>46424953
He speaks like a true wizard-only grognard, anon. There are people who legitimately think that classes that aren't capable of ruining the game by themselves are worthless, simply as a virtue of not being able to ruin the game.

>>46424985
Magi can't summon a solution to pretty much any problem as a multiple-times-a-day class feature. Which is why they're T3, and Synthesists are low T2.

>>46424985
That's not a very compelling argument for them being "garbage".

>>46425004
I toss succubi into chastity devices for my own sexual gratification.

>>46425029
Synthesists can't do that whatsoever while fused with their eidolon, and have fewer feats available to carry Summon Monster into the high levels, since several are used up making their own melee viable.

>>46425049
Garbage by comparison, stock Summoner is better by a long shot.

>>46425027
Gotcha.

>>46425080
>Garbage by comparison
Who cares, everything is garbage by comparison to wizards.

>>46425099
No, garbage by comparison to literally any other kind of Summoner except Broodmaster, which is probably the worst archetype, since action economy with multiple eidolons is worthless if none of them can hit.

>>46425099
arcanists*

>>46425124
Okay, but that doesn't make them garbage overall. You don't seem to be getting the point here.

>>46425080
In the guy's party, that Synthesist could very well be going around without the Eidolon on all the time, using his Summon Monster ability to make up for the lack of a real arcane spellcaster.

Furthermore, that doesn't change the fact that the Synthesist still has the versatile options, even if they require him to do a little bit of sacrificing.

And finally, "garbage" implies it's not good, but the Synthesist is very much not garbage. "Garbage in comparison" is a worthless metric, because a Witch is "garbage in comparison" to a Wizard, but it's still a wildly powerful class with lots of useful features that makes it stronger that the VAST amount of content for PF.

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>>46425128
*Holy Shield Paladin, there to take all the Damage for the Party

>>46424985
Cool, so if something does better it's garbage? Synthesist is neat for having more than its fair share of hp, good AC between buffs and evolutions and inbuilt pounce if you go quadruped.

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>>46424929
>waifubait playable races like kitsune
Kitsune weren't waifubait until they were unofficially "refluffed" by perpetually horny idiots.

>>46425218
>so if something does better it's garbage
Thank you for finally understanding this concept.

>>46425236
So everything except fullcasters is garbage, and this whole conversation didn't need to happen.

>>46424696
Do you have a link that doesn't make you join for clicking it?

>>46425228

Tell that to Abe no Yasuna.

Just wanted to drop the news to the LotLK group (I know you guys browse this thread!) that I (MrB) might not be able to make it to the campaign tomorrow on account of a power outage that, knowing my lovely neighborhood, will probably take about 4-5 days to fix.l (only posting this here since I can't access Discord or IRC reliably on a phone.)

Rather than postpone the game until next week, I really do encourage you guys to go on without me; Sigurd's sheet is updated, he's not really got a lot going on in terms of bells and whistles (unless you consider maneuvers a bell and skills a whistle) and really, all the plot will be available on the IC Channel so I can do my homework to catch up when I finally get power this week.

Good luck you guys, and have fun!

>>46425250
Correct.

>>46425236
'cept that's not how it works anon. AM BARBARIAN does damage better than most other melee and is better at resisting magic and mundane attacks than just about anything else. Does that mean every fighting character is garbage?

inb4 meme 'everything but a wizard is garbage lmao' response

>>46425250
It's 1PP only and the party lacks fullcasters entirely. Assuming they survive Rusty Dagger Shanktown, they're going to need at least one for certain situations - Dispelling, removing afflictions like poison, diseases, and curses, depending on the campaign they might need some item creation, and probably most important of all, level-relevant divinations, because an adventuring party without information is a dead one.

>>46425278
We've already been over this.

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>>46425203

Whether they want her to or not.

>>46425330
It's quite the good feeling to take all the hits for the Team, and to go DEUS VULT on some bitches after you helped them to not die.

>>46425315
So that's either a yes, in which case your definition of garbage is useless, or a no in which case you're conceding. You don't seem like the type to concede, so your definition is meaningless as there's always a bigger fish when it comes to builds.

>>46425330

>Holy Shield Paladin/Zweihander Sentinel Warder

Have we made the immovable object?

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>>46425290
>You need divination to survive

Uhuh.

>>46425290
>party without information
Put points into Knowledge (Local) or Diplomacy, talk around town. Or just Knowledges in general spread along the party.

>>46425449
You need divination to know what's on the other side of that door that's making the weird creepy noises, or at higher levels, what's behind all the doors. Going into a fight without a plan of any kind, even a bad one, is a great way to die horrifically.

>>46425485
Knowledge only helps when you've spotted the enemy. It doesn't help you know it's there in the first place - though it might give you a general clue as to what might be in a given dungeon or ruin or what-have-you, as can Gather Information.

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>>46424099
>>46424696
Original anon here, I'm gonna have to give a big red "NAH M8" to this. If I need magical realm, I can get as much as I can handle from my current group, this is just jumping straight into crazytown.

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>>46425436
And now we put them on the same side and a poor guy on the other.

>>46425508
>I hate dungeon crawling

Half the fun is not knowing what's behind the door

>>46425508
None of that means it's required bro

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>>46425508
You seem to think 'Helpful' and 'Need' are the same thing.

>>46425485
But NOBODY does that. Which is the entire reason why I can take a half-orc inquisitor who specializes in monster knowledge to ANY group, even the one that had 6 players and every normal role covered, and have plenty of info to contribute.

>>46425529
I find it to be more fun when I look on the other side of the door and find something different when I open it - even Scrying doesn't automatically reveal the target's friends using Stealth to hide.

>>46425545
Enjoy going into everything blind.

>>46425571
I will, thanks

>>46425568
Except when my party arrives in a new town or part of the city, they roleplay and get information from locals. Maybe you just dungeon crawl all the time.

>>46425568
I'm one of those weird GMs that uses Knowledge (History) and (Nobility) often. That dungeon is probably on SOMEBODY's land, and it was built by SOMEBODY at some point. Why people don't think of either thing is beyond me, or try to pull things like Religion on what was in no way described as a holy site.

>>46425228
Nah, the PF version was written by a fox furry for furries.

>>46425594
Oh, you poor, innocent anon.

Cities are just big dungeons with zones of relative safety.

>>46425594
Dungeon crawling is literally the origin of the game. If you don't like it, you should probably play a different game, since the system's oriented around a four-man dungeon crawling party and the assumptions it makes prove that.

>>46425594
Knowledge (Local) cuts out the middleman. But you can gather information from ME if you have a good enough check hon

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How would you build pic related /pfg/?

>>46425666
Is that another fucking League character or something?

I don't know who or what the fuck that is, don't ask for build advice without at least SOME identifying information.

Is etherealness more or less equivalent to incorporeality? What affect if any would a dimensional anchor spell have on an incorporeal being?

>>46425666
That would require KNOWING WHO THE FUCK THAT IS!

>>46425666

Not 100% sure who that is, so couldn't say. Nice trips, though.

>>46425666
I would say go Bard...and joke? no Idea what this is

>>46425666
Amon from Korra?

>>46425666
Commoner 1 you dumb cunt

>>46425691
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/special-abilities#TOC-Ethereal

>An ethereal creature is invisible, insubstantial, and capable of moving in any direction, even up or down, albeit at half normal speed. An ethereal creature can move through solid objects, including living creatures. An ethereal creature can see and hear on the Material Plane, but everything looks gray and ephemeral. Sight and hearing onto the Material Plane are limited to 60 feet.

>Force effects and abjurations affect an ethereal creature normally. Their effects extend onto the Ethereal Plane from the Material Plane, but not vice versa. An ethereal creature can't attack material creatures, and spells you cast while ethereal affect only other ethereal things. Certain material creatures or objects have attacks or effects that work on the Ethereal Plane.

>An ethereal creature treats other ethereal creatures and ethereal objects as if they were material.

Question 1: No. Ethereal creatures have no limitation on how much material they can pass through, senses are more limited, and ethereal creatures are flat-out immune to the attacks of material creatures and vice-versa.

Question 2: Absolutely nothing, dimensional anchor prevents interplanar transit, including teleportation (since teleportation, by default, makes use of transitive planes like the astral or ethereal), but incorporeal creatures are simply immaterial beings on the same plane as you. It's like asking what dimensional anchor would do to a cloud.

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Asshole trying to build different variations of Bushi stalker here with more dumb questions. I know "Agile fighter with only one weapon" is terrible normally, and even sub-par in PoW, but if I actually wanted to be a dumbass and do it... What do I need to do to make it actually "work"? Assuming all 1pp and DSP. I don't want to be some absolute monster capable of soloing encounters, though being able to pull off ridiculous stunts would be nice. I imagine Scarlet Throne is something I would want to focus on, and that utility disciplines like Riven Hourglass and Veiled Moon become that much more important? Since it looks like the Bushi can recover a maneuver every turn, can I theoretically just cycle between two strikes to make up for not having as good a full attack cycle?

Bonus points if I can actually do a one-armed swordsman.

>>46425862
Scarlet Throne Style feat is helpful

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>>46424969
>>46424837
So tell me, what do you think of pic related?

I'm sure it's too strong for a PC race as a first pass, but I think I've at least gotten it into the general neighborhood.

>>46425862
You won't be getting as much of your damage output from your weapon dice or Dexterity score as a different build would, so you'll need to go for maneuvers and stances that maintain your damage output in some fashion - probably damaging boosts with accuracy-assisting strikes. You'll be low on counters, but the Bushi's recovery method is handy for strikespam, so if you grab Extra Readied Maneuver a few times you'll be able to pick two or three very solid strikes and put the rest into boosts/counters that you swap out as the situation demands.

>>46425862
if you go Bushi Brutal Stalker 7/Landsknecht 1 with the Scarlet Throne Style line, you are pretty much 100% considered to be two-handing any weapon you use for effectively every purpose, even if you're straight missing an arm.

It's not as effective as going Bushi Zweihander Sentinel Warder 5/Landsknecht 1, but it's an option.

>>46425912
Native outsiders eat and drink by definition, pick one and only one. All outsiders including kami need to breathe.

Seems like a mess tbqh

>>46425960
I kinda want to be a one-handed swordsman now

>>46425912
Yyyyeah, kinda out of control. The incorporeality, the flight, the immunities, the ability to change wards constantly which goes completely against the concept...

>>46425975
>All outsiders including kami need to breathe.

Kami explicitly don't. It's part of the subtype.

>>46425989
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/kami

I checked. Ctrl-F gives no results for breathe or air. 0/10.

>>46425976
Me, too, anon. Me, too.

>>46425960
The thing about that though, deadly agility doesn't get benefits from using a weapon two-handed, and unless I sink some points into strength I won't have power attack... Though power attack + furious focus would probably be a nice bonus if I'm going to focus mainly on single strikes.

>>46426010
It's in the subtype dunkass
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/creature-types#subtype-kami

>>46426010
The subtype, dumbass.
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/creature-types#subtype-kami
>Although they are native outsiders, kami do not eat, drink, or breathe.

>>46426010
That isn't rules text.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/creature-types#subtype-kami
>Although they are native outsiders, kami do not eat, drink, or breathe.

Why is /pfg/ so fucking awful at the PFSRD?

>>46425983
>The incorporeality, the flight

I was thinking about that one and trying to figure out how to keep the 'possessing spirit' vibe without getting into the even weirder thing the tsukumogami have going, where you have to stat an animated object and then apply a template on top of that.

What about making it so they always count as merged with ward (no incorporeal subtype, etc)?

Maybe a 1/day or 1/week limit on switching wards?

>>46426037
Seems fishy tbqh, I don't trust d20pfsrd

>>46426054
Because that's not PFSRD, that's a fansite. Which is also awful at updating and maintenance.

>>46425976
>>46426033

You're one feat away from being 2-3 points of damage worse than just wielding the sword in two hands.

It's not a bad investment for what is essentially huge amounts of style.

>>46425960
Wait, we have a LANDSKNECHT Class now? WHERE? Did i miss something?!

>>46426070
No, it's the PFSRD.

You're thinking of the PRD, which is even harder to navigate and incomplete.

>>46426070
????

>>46426096
It isn't Landschnecht-y at all. They don't even use two-handed weapons, it's an einhander PrC.

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>>46426070
I'd throw this Bestiary at you but it's a pdf and we're on the internet so this'll have to do

>>46426070
Fuck's sake, it's copied directly from bestiary 3, page 306

>>46426070
>Seems fishy tbqh, I don't trust d20pfsrd
Are you fucking retarded?

>>46426119
photoshopped

>>46426129
proofs?

>>46426110
....

>>46426097
Oh. Fair enough.

>>46426117
>muh Zweihanders
>military units primarily composed of pikemen and later musketeers.

Westaboo fags are just as bad as weebs.

>>46426149
Oh fuck off

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>>46426117
and there dies my dream of playing my qte. Landsknecht with a Landsknecht class. Well more or less.

>>46426035
I mean, if you're intent on being Dex-based, then yeah, it's not a good option. You're pretty much entirely reliant on using Scarlet Throne maneuvers in that case, because most Stalker disciplines are not so good at pure damage (outside of Broken Blade, obviously).

But if you want to be a 100% legit one-armed swordsman, Str-based Bushi Brutal Stalker or Zweihander Sentinel into Landsknecht is the way to go.

>>46426082
It's super cool, and that's a very acceptable trade off.

>>46426169
Anon, pikes and muskets are both two-handed weapons.

>>46426185
>>46426117
>>46426096
Stupendous Strength feat with a Greatsword or a Polearm of your choice, play a Warder or a Warlord, then go into Landsknecht. You're welcome.

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>>46426149

>>46426202
Pretty sure you need Prodigious TWF also if you wanna use a two-hander one-handed.

>>46426149
You're a special kind aren't you?

>>46426202
Thanks based anon.
Time to MORDHAU some bitches.

>>46426149
>this bost style
>this stupidity
Either buildposter or virt.
In either case go fuck off and ram a cattle prod up your ass

>>46426191
And if I rolled up a musket wielder calling himself a landsknecht, pfg would laugh me out of the game. Zweihanders are as historically innacurate for landsknecht as actual katana were for samurai.

>>46426214
I dunno mate it's still working pretty okay

>>46426180
Fair enough senpai

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>>46426064
Second pass. What do y'all think? I'm still leery on the size thing, should I increase the penalties past Small so you need hefty Strength to do anything at Tiny/Diminutive in the first place?

>>46426247
>bost
>calling others stupid
American detected

>>46426254
>pfg would laugh me out of the game.
Of course we would, as everyone knows Landsknechts used arbequis, not muskets

>>46426258
Yeah, I'm impressed. People are still biting for some reason.

>>46426225
Nope, Stupendous Strength lets you count it as one-handed. You just can't TWF with it and count it as a light weapon in your off-hand unless you have PTWF.
>>46426242
You're welcome, anon!

>>46426287
It's honestly pretty easy, just be wrong about a semi-obscure detail in an annoying way. People love to think they're totally wrecking someone.

>>46426313
Ahh, nice.

He should do it as a Half-Giant!

>>46426277
Blame my damned phone's autocorrect, the bloody thing is schizophrenic

Plus, at least it's better than being a britbong, whose country has all the economic strength and relevancy of Mississippi

>>46426326
Half-Giant?
I mean i just was building my charakter for the Kingmaker round i was in, after i died in some fuckin Elf Castle because Elfs.

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>>46426258
>admitting to shitposting
Now son, that's against the rules.

>>46426329
Fuck you, Mississippi is awesome

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>>46426187
Really, the one-armed swordsman would just be an excuse to play someone wearing very light or no armor and just being ungodly fast. Since I wanted to go full Dex, I can only assume that I'd be trying to use manuevers to cripple anything I attacked until it can't fight back instead of outright killing it, and constantly refreshing manuevers and boosts with the bushi's recovery method. If I needed damage, there's got to be a few decent "ONE MIGHTY STRIKE" manuevers to try for a pure style kill. Even if I'm suboptimal I'll still be within tier 3, right?

>>46426202
>Stupendous Strength
What's this from?

>>46426450
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/46058441/#46064110

DSP's Monster Classes line.

>>46426398
Half-Giant gets Powerful Build, so you can use a Large Greatsword or whatever in your one hand to help mitigate the loss of damage early on.

>>46426438
Yes. As long as you're using your best maneuvers and not clinging to mediocre 1st level ones long past their expiration date, you'll be fine.

>>46426450
One of the Monster classes. It's a pretty hilarious feat.

>>46426438
You are honestly worrying over this too much. You could easily pick your maneuvers at random and be completely functional.

>>46426422
I know, its a nice place to visit, and I lived in Vicksburg for a good four years of my youth. However not realizing that in terms of education and economics its behind the other states (save for Alabama, the bloody morons), is ignorant.

Still, I miss crawling under house and finding old bullets and necklaces, and seeing the magnolias in bloom is always a lovely experience, as was going south to the coast to fish when school ended.

>>46426474
Could need some Ideas for a Charakter, and i'm comfortable drunke enough to just use anything remotly cool
We're level 6 20 pb , Have a Oracle, Wizard, Hunter, Towershield Fighter and i played a Bloodrager/Mutagenic Warrior .

>>46425666
This picture is actually something I used for an Exalted character. The Pathfinder version of him was a Juggler bard who threw around knives and chakrams and shit, while disguised as a common entertainer. He went TWF, and didn't need quick draw most of the time due to juggling letting him carry all his weapons with him at once.

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>>46426477
>>46426480
I should have figured as much, I'm just extremely paranoid about fucking shit up, too used to having to dodge a million trap options from building characters with only 1pp.

How good is PF for ye olde modernity, in the sense of "how bad do modern weapons suck"? I was thinking of a generic plot where a wizard invades the 'real world' and it's up to a plucky group of people with attitude to take him down and having modernity suck would be a great way of setting the scene.

>>46426538
There's an idea for a game in there somewhere

>>46426622
>T2, T1, T5, T4-5
Your group is all over the place, so a T3 would fit snugly. Consider a Gunsmoke Mystic using DSP's alternate Firearm rules (the ones with armor penetration and no misfire crap). If possible, go with a Rifle and take Rapid Reload. Fluff it as a ring lever-action rifle that you spin to chamber each round, and when describing your character's appearance, make him Clint Eastwood without actually saying Clint Eastwood, and see how long it takes the party to figure it out.

Oh, and of course use Elemental Flux and that Silver Crane PrC, because obviously the new Sheriff in town is Good.

>>46426666
Considering modern people are in a Guns Everywhere setting, not that bad.

Guns are simple weapons, and ammo is a lot cheaper.

>>46426733
>DSP's alternate Firearm rules
Hmm, where are these?

>>46426704
/tg/ once had several threads of building a setting based off of old folk America, I recommend reading them.

It even had catfish swamp mermaids and Cottonmouth nagas and stuff

>>46426738
Darn. Looks like I'll have to use my backup plot of rehashing Max Payne and make everyone Gunsmoke Mystics firing assault rifles at will.

>>46426750
Arcforge.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QHMSLuh7Q6ZOHYOvTS6cyFfKBBLP6RCRkb7jcO6IlrI/edit

>AP and Existing Weapons- You may find that it makes a lot of sense to apply the AP system to some existing weapons, such as early firearms or crossbows. For your convenience, we’ve added a table below featuring a selection of commonly used weapons and firearms with suggested AP ratings. Firearms using the AP system should not target touch AC or incur a misfire chance.

>>46426756

>"Oh, fuck! Hoopsnakes!"

If I use rising zenith strike and power attack, does the penalty apply to the skill check?

>>46426733
>Gettin' finally rid of all the Elf Hobos in our sweet City
>Being Clint Eastwood
Can this mix?
Some other equal crazy/good idea someone?

>>46426865
Yes. But at least you can double the Power Attack damage.