This is the basic, undecorated design of a large sword for an

By not being a faggot.

>>46412296
start by putting the handle in line with its center of mass, for one. Having it that offset means it's only useful for chopping meat like a cleaver. Too unbalanced for combat.

>>46412296
Give it either a sharper end of stabbing, or slim it down for chopping. Either way, do this too >>46412335

>>46412296
Make the blade more centered to the handle. Technically, you don't need to make it EXACTLY centered, as varying the blade thickness can cause the center of mass to be uneven, but at least put it lower.

Make the blade less wide, use a heavier metal. Maybe make it longer, too. Unless you wanted chopping methods, in which case the other anons can help you there.

I guess you could add one of those trench knife guard thingies, if the warrior is so strong that the extra weight to balance it doesn't bother him?

>>46412296
make it smaller

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>>46412335
>Having it that offset means it's only useful for chopping meat like a cleaver. Too unbalanced for combat.

The general intention is for it to be very much like a large cleaver. I don't exactly see why it needs to be balanced like a lighter weapon, when it's not intended to be wielded like one.

>>46412296
You won't be stabbing anything with a sword that big.
Have a round half-circle tip instead of a point, and make it double-edged. You're gonna slice through everything, and snagging is all you're gonna do with a piercing attack.

>>46412296
Are you trying to be realistic, or cinematic?

If you're trying to be realistic, you've already failed: that thing is far too big. Even a super-strong warrior would be better served with a smaller blade, since swinging a small thing quickly hurts just as much as swinging a large thing slowly, and the small thing is easier to wield.

If you're trying to be cinematic, then it looks fine as is. It's meant for a "big strong warrior" archetype, so it doesn't need frilly, fancy bits: just a simple blade, simple handle, and you're good. Fits the character style.

>>46412296
>crossguard
>spear point
>false edge
>fuller

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>>46412296
By making it a messer, not weebshit that is.

Put something spinning on it.

Like a gear, or a wheel, or a propeller. Whatever it is, it spins when the sword charges up for your power attack.

>>46412608
Rotating pommel gem?

>>46412533
you don't actually wield heavy weapons like oversized kitchen knives. They're still supposed to be fast and weight centered near the hilt.

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>>46412594
Mein neger

>>46412631
there have been more unusual real life designs, I'm sure.

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>>46412651
>you don't actually wield heavy weapons like oversized kitchen knives.

Would you say you might wield them in some ways comparable to wielding an axe?

>>46412591
>false edge

Great suggestion.

>>46412713
Yeah, but an axe has its weight concentrated to a point. Having the weight spread out mitigates its usefulness

>>46412296

And remember OP to have proper removable pommel for the sword, so that you can end them rightly.

>>46412684
Messers are fun weapons, I need to learn more about them

>>46412684
Aren't they inferior to an actual sword?

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>>46412713
there are indeed axe-like swords. Your cleaver up there is NOTHING like an axe-like sword.

>>46412783
Not much, really. It's basically the same as a sword, but for law-reasons it was called "messer" (knife). And it's just that, an oversized knife.

Also, OP might want to take a look at the handle. A round handle on a sword isn't good. Make it more oval shaped. If you take a quick look at historical sword, it's not completely round. And oval shape that aligns with the blade fits good in the hand and assures that the blade is in the right position.

Why am I so bad at describing things in english?

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My dwarven blacksmiths recommend these modifications.

>>46412866
you madman, where is the bayonet!?

>>46412882
Why would a sword need a bayonet?

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>>46412335
>>46412417
>>46412456
Now, this might sound a little crazy, but would attaching weights to the back of the blade actually help?

>>46412890
Why not?

>>46412783
They suck against people in plate... that's about it.

They are probably better cutting weapons than any other blade (weebshit included) because of the weight and width if the blade, they are long and they are fucking fast.
They also have manuals with people dueling them people with "actual swords", so we know they are fine are parrying as well.

>>46412894
you don't attach weights so much as make the blade slightly thicker towards the back. Less weak links that way.

And yes, some setups CAN do that, which is why the handle shouldn't necessarily be at the exact middle to be balanced.

>>46412296
Make sure the pommel screws on, so you can end your opponents rightly.

>>46412914
Where's your new statblock?

>>46412591
>crossguard
Are you really expecting to be able to block with something that heavy?

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>>46412296
>6' long
>5" wide

Sounds like you want a Bardiche my man

>>46412894
Probably great for training, but you tend to want faster strikes, not heavier in combat (also why building strength is good).

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>>46412296
Scale it down a bit, give it a bit of a curve and do your best pirate voice.

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>>46412904
Fine. Picky picky

>>46413028
Good, now it just needs a laser pointer on the side, and an extra grenade hidden in the pommel.

>>46412296
Attach a motorcycle brake handle to the grip.
Replace the blade with a gigantic drill.
Make it so that holding the brake handle against the grip will activate the drill.
You now have an ultimate unstoppable melee weapon.

>>46413054
I read that as "it just needs a laser printer on the side"

>>46413028
Where are the rails?

>>46413065
yes, that too, but on the OTHER side.

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>>46413023
Scale it back up for two hands and then do that embarrassing "chinese" accent you do every single time we go out for sushi.

>>46412296
>4'6" long 5.5" wide
The thing should be 8 feet long and 2 feet wide at the very fucking least, with a handle like 2 feet long. This nigga isn't even trying.

If that white line on the cross section is meant to be the blade, that's terrible, it's like a sheet of metal rather than a blade. Especially given how deep the blade is, it needs to be considerably thicker, and it needs a fuller towards the blade edge in order to stiffen the sword and bring the centre of mass towards the spine, closer to the line of the hilt. If you expect to be chopping you will also want to work out where the centre of percussion is...

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>>46413054
Customers are so hard to please these days.

>>46412914
Pretty much all swords suck against plate.

>>46413156
>doesn't have the rabbit vibe attachment
2/10 wouldn't buy

>>46413215
This is for killing not for fun.

>>46413233
>not having fun while killing

It's like you don't know how to enjoy yourself anon.

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thought about the guard and figured if you were fighting at a super strong level you may want your opponents weapon to slip off rather than catch it

>>46413244
Make those like pinball flippers so you can knock your opponent's weapon back up at them!

>>46413244
Now put a rocket on the pommel

>>46413244
>opponents weapon to slip off into your arm rather than catch it

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>>46413244
May as well finalize turning it into the black knight sword.

>>46412296
By realizing that strength isn't the only limiting factor to sword weight. How much does the extremely strong warrior weigh? If it's roughly average, then the sword should be roughly average in its weight as well. It'd would be really embarrassing if he tried swinging it around and then lost the ground underneath his feet.
Besides, E=1/2mv^2. Or in other words, v (the sword's velocity) is inversely proportional to the square root of the weight of the sword. You can't swing a heavy sword as fast as a light one.

Now, with that out of the way, let's talk about the shape of the sword. The grip seems shit. While it's impossible to tell from this perspective if it's actually spherical or elliptical, (elliptical is the proper shape), the fact that it's just straight from top to bottom means that your grip is lacking.

This is a hacking tool, not a fencing weapon. The center of gravity being roughly in the middle of the blade means that it's unwieldy but also not optimized for crushing through the defenses of the enemy. I think you should make a choice. Either turn it into a really top-heavy sword to hack at the enemies with, or reduce the size of the blade dramatically to put the balance point closer to the guard and make it viable for fancy maneuvers.

>>46413244
Now make the blade about half as thick.

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>>46413241
Ok. It'll cost you extra. It's blue though, because its more manly that way.

>>46413345
Could you attach a shield on it?

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>>46413258
>>46413133
oh shit

>>46413340
>>46413264
what for?, stronk potions make the blade light as a feather

>>46413083
Did asians ever create a proper guard?

>>46413397
Just wear a condom mang.

>>46413401
Rocket propelled thrusts

>>46413401
also useful for dislodging the sword from giant monsters when you go hilt deep

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Semi-serious response. The big ass swords won't ever be useful, but assuming we're in a world where the average character's statblock is on par with the faggot who can wield this this effectively then you can attempt to make this style usable.

>>46413414
If by "proper" you mean "cruciform" then no.

If by "proper" you mean "large enough to protect the hand" then yes.

>>46413345
All righty. This is the final design. I call it the F-35 Sword of Double Pleasure. Tag line: Tempt the impossible, please Slaneesh and Khorne at the same time!

>>46413401
Flying like Thor.

>>46413487
The former. All I saw before is a tiny circle (or square. Not sure if this shit is even real) that barely can prevent hand from slipping.

>>46413452
>also useful for dislodging the sword from giant monsters when you go hilt deep

Oh, man

>sink gigablade into a monster all the way to the pinball-flipper hilt
>with its dying power, it rolls an enormous eye and looks up at you to see you smirk
>you squeeze the trigger and the pinball flippers propel you upward, yanking the sword out with a comet's tail of high-pressure blood

>>46413533
I mean latter, dammit.

>>46413533
There's a few more different styles than that, and even more differences when you start comparing wartime designs with peacetime designs.

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>>46413464
>Parrying with a cleaver

>>46413533
They do the job well enough, to be quite honest. They don't tend to provide the same level of hand protection as, say, a European cruciform guard but then the standard crucifom loses out to cruciform plus nail, which loses to the swept hilt...

It gets the job done but it could be made to be more effective, like most hand guards.

>>46413244
no mate, that guard would make your opponents weapon slip from yours and INTO YOUR BODY

>>46413513
>>46413444
who am I to deny the people

Has anyone ever built a jet-drive for strap-ons? Like, you put on the strap-on, hit the go button and then your pelvic region is violently accelerated to supersonic speed, dragging the rest of you with it. Then the supersized dildo punches into the enemy's chest. Barbs are ejected to stop the dildo from slipping out, and a pump starts delivering blow upon blow from your hips into the enemy's quickly crumpling body. Finally the barbs are retracted and the engine finishes off by squirting an assortment of white toxins into the gaping wound.

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>>46413674
forgot post

>>46412533
>I don't exactly see why it needs to be balanced like a lighter weapon, when it's not intended to be wielded like one.

Because the design is massively, MASSIVELY inefficient. Don't present a Rule of Stupid weapon and then ask for help unless you're serious.

Such a design eliminates the advantage a sword has -- that you can use it like a deadly stabbing weapon for finishing blows, and that you can hit anyone anywhere with any portion of the blade to fuck them up.

The DerpSword has almost all of its weight put to waste. It is essentially an axe with a HUGE amount of pointless metal shit on the middle portion.

The typical two handed sword with a haft in the middle is vastly superior in all ways.

>>46412958
Nobody who isn't a tard is expecting to do -anything- with something that heavy.

>>46413759
Are you calling OP a retard?

>>46413742
>Such a design eliminates the advantage a sword has -- that you can use it like a deadly stabbing weapon for finishing blows, and that you can hit anyone anywhere with any portion of the blade to fuck them up.

Oh god, you're being serious.

>>46412608
>not using a flywheel sword

>>46413765
>This is the basic... design of a large sword for an extremely strong warrior. How can I improve upon its design?
>>46412533
>I don't exactly see why it needs to be balanced like a lighter weapon, when it's not intended to be wielded like one.
>>46412713
>Would you say you might wield them in some ways comparable to wielding an axe?

I honestly can't figure out what is wrong with OP's brain. So maybe I am.

>>46413768
>not being serious
>ever

>>46413768

The portion of the sword that holds an edge is intended to be used, yes.

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Just do this instead, OP.

>>46413897
The grip is still shit.

>>46413915
It could do with being a bit longer, but it's at least centered and has enough counterweight on it to balance the weight of the sword more.

>>46413028
>don't talk to me or my bayonet ever again

>>46413595
OP, this guy has the right idea.

>>46413934
No, its form is horrible. There is a reason why real swords have grips formed like sword grips. It's to orient your hands and to keep your hand from sliding up and down.

>>46413934
Round grips mean you have to look if you're edge is aligned properly, which is bad.

That's why swords, axes or halberds don't have completely round grips.

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Sword? (plus hand guards that're better)

>>46412296

Make it double-edged, instead of single-edged. If you're insanely strong, swinging a weapon like this won't be a problem, but the blade will still wear out really fast.

You also want a proper guard for the hilt.

>>46413689
Radical.

>>46414140
That is actually not too bad. I would do away with the second handle myself just for more blade but thats personal preferrance.

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>>46412296
Here is my take

How good would these dimensions be for a touch LARP weapon?

>>46414555
Considering blades longer than 3 inches or so are blatantly illegal outside your house, its probably off to butt rape prison if you try to LARP with anything remotely resembling one of these

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>>46412296
Everyone knows, power glows!

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>>46412296

A large chopping sword typically has a curved blade for better cutting performance.

The blade profile should be thin and slightly flexible at the edge for the same reason.

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>>46414929

It's worth mentioning that almost nobody in history has ever used a sword of that style militarily.

The only exception I can think of is the Chinese "da dao" which was their version of the cutlass. Which is to say, it was the weapon issued to more or less untrained peasants and sailors to fight against boarders. A blade of middling length with characteristics that make it really easy to cut with, wielded with two hands.

>>46413595
This image made me realize we need more black iron swords like this. This one could perhaps be a bit "meatier" so that it looks heavy and strong, but honestly it's not bad.

>>46413589
How else do you plan to not get stabbed?
I know I'm being baited but I can't help myself

>>46415167
>How else do you plan to not get stabbed?
When you're using a heavy weapon that you can't move around very quickly, your best chance at protecting yourself is good armor.

>>46415167
Longer reach and mightier swings, of course.

>>46415191
Or alternatively, don't use a retarded weapon you can't move around quickly and fight like a person who knows what they are doing, standing in a guard that can easily and quickly be switched to every other guard in the system to defend against every reasonable or expected strike?
And it's not like large weapons can't be moved fast - a quarterstaff is fucking massive and can be swung around at impressive speed even by a complete weakling.
Plus most large weapons are heavy because, y'know, they're large, so you'd be further from your opponent so wouldn't need to react at foil speed because if your opponent had a weapon they could move that fast it would be too short to get to you without you fucking them up.
I'll give you the armour thing though.
>>46415226
So he sets himself up to get completely fucked when some similarly suicidal and/or stupid asshole just doesn't care and swings for him too. Neither block and both land a possibly fatal blow.
Plus faster swings > mightier swings nearly every damn time.
And while reach is vital the sword is only 6ft - he'd fuck up most swordsmen, but anyone with a spear/english bill/quarterstaff/halberd w/e would completely wreck the guy by dint of being faster, having more reach and being able to properly block.

Blocking is important in not dying, which really should be your aim in nearly every combat system. Even if you are in plate armour fully decked out and ready you will at some point need to parry some asshole, not least because a riposte is a damn good way of fucking someone up (although I suppose if you didn't block you could just fucking hit them regardless? Nevermind)

>>46415366
>>46415191
And adding on to the armour point - if this weapon is designed in an era where "good armour" (by which I may mistakenly assume to mean plate armour, given it's the most effective and all-encompassing armour for use in melee combat designed that I know of) exist should NOT be designed in such a fashion - that broad blade which lends itself so well to cutting and slashing would be completely fucking useless against plate armour which renders it's user nigh invulnerable to slashes. You need sheer percussive force or a penetrating impact - the sword might have the force but at that point just use a poleaxe or something. And a sword that thick is never going to be doing any useful stabbing, especially not through plate armour. I suppose it could be a rich man's weapon designed for wrecking scrubs without armour but OP seems to think this would be this guy's "basic sword", an all rounder weapon.

>>46414664
>everyone lives in britbongistan.

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Fucking weebs

>>46415820
>>46414664
As a britbongistani myself, if you have a "valid reason" you can carry any length of knife - so just keep it in your car or bag till you get to the LARP or w/e then you're fine.

>>46413156
The laser pen is pointed backwards. The light and the laser will shine on the wielder that way.

>>46412594
>>46412914
>>46415877
>weebweebweebweeb
You faggots sound like a faggot siren.
>complaining about weebs on a website designed by a weeb, for weebs, to imitate a japanese website because not everyone reads moonspeak
It's 2016, get over yourselves.

>>46416242
things can grow beyond their origins.
a lot of the boards are not weeb-related in any way.

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>>46415002
It was used by various different groups in China at various different time periods.

Originally it was used by police and death squads to cut down rebels and dissenters.
Later it was used by peasant levies to defend themselves against bandit armies.
Later still it was used by the actual military when they couldn't afford to give every soldier a gun.

This huge nerd has a couple good articles on it:
http://www.chinaww2.com/?s=dadao

>>46412296
You need at least two holes near the cross guard big enough to shove materia in them.

That, and the blade needs to be thicker with a less bevel on the blade. Needs to be more like a sharp 45 degree angle.

>>46416504
True, but a vast portion of the people on this site are weeb to some degree, and just because they're weeb doesn't mean they're not interested in boards outside of /a/. Complaining about weebs in /tg/ is about as useful as complaining about niggers in schools, and it sounds just as ignorant and bigoted.

>>46415877
Were rapier users precise enough to strike through that ring in the guard? I see a lot of swords with that, and I'm wondering whether they make attacking the hand that much less viable.

>>46416786
Faggot has a point. Especially considering how many weeb gaming systems there are.

>>46413197

Unless you get some half-swording in the house.

And then it becomes a battle of weirdly sharp-shafted warhammers.

>>46416193
It's to distract snipers who see multiple laser dots and aren't sure which is theirs. Clearly.

bump from the bottom as I'd not seen this.

>>46414344

I think that's supposed to represent a wrapped ricasso, maybe? Just poorly 'shopped on with limited resources to work with.

>>46416813
It's made that way in part because a common grip was to hook your index finger over the quillon, which gives you a better grip and more control over the precise movements of the blade. A ring like that helps protect your finger and the rest of your hand, but something more solid would prevent you from hooking a finger over at all.

As for precision... probably not. They might be able to thrust into a ring that small if it were sitting still and not being actively wielded by an opponent, but in the hands of someone who knows how to fight, they're going to make sure you don't hit them there. One thing to keep in mind with this, too, is that you should be wearing gloves... tough leather at least, though mail or plate is better. That does a great job of keeping your finger safe, if they happen to hit you there anyway. Even leather would keep you pretty safe, since any strike against that location wouldn't likely have much force behind it.

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right, now its rescued from the very bottom of the page, time to write...

I will assume its a for a normal-sized person, not a 8-foot tall giant.
Quite simply, regardless of strength, a sword that big is impractical. its all well and good going "its got to be SIX FEET LONG!" but the reality is, you cant move it around. nothing to do with strength, simple ergonomics - its too bulky. Polearms that size work, only because they're designed to work in formations. for a single combat type weapon, you need more mobility.

So. Stage 1, convert to metric. Because fuck you, the rest of the world uses SI.

Stage 2: scale it down to 145cm, 4' 9". This is still fucking big. but now its simply big, not stupidly so.

Blade shape - going with the single-edge, taper the blade. that removes mass from it. Heavy is not better. Heavy is slow. removing the mass lets the strong guy move it as fast as a smaller weapon for an average guy. Fullering it too. Make it MUCH narrower. a 5.5" blade is a sail. It would catch the air and twist in the hand badly, making it even harder to control. So its down to 65mm, 2.5 inches. Still a very broad blade, but a practical one now.

Likewise, the grip position is moved. a grip up close to the back edge works like a lever, the broad blade would try to twist when it hits. moving the grip to the centreline removes that tendency. the blade is now lighter, far faster, and controllable, so it actually cuts better than the bigger one.

the crossguard is narrowed 2cm thick, so its less of a block of dead weight.

the grip shape is changed to a more oval shape, with a more ergonomic waisted grip. that allows 2-handed use. the grip binding is replaced. this isnt a tennis racquet, that sort of grip doesnt work on a sword.

Lastly, the pommel can be made far smaller, making the sword faster. as its one-edged, its made asymmetric, so it can hook the back hand, letting the user grip the hilt as wide as the larger sword grip, so it can move better.

>>46416959
Eh, not really. A warhammer punches through plate (sometimes) because it's got a small striking surface and is swung as a lever, and that last bit's the most important part. Half-swording would give you a slightly better chance at penetrating, but not by much... you're still thrusting, so you don't really have the force behind your blow to penetrate very well even when half-swording. It's more useful for better control over the blade, allowing you to strike at unarmored spots more easily.

In the end, though, no melee weapon is really "good" against plate, so much as some are "better than nothing". Plate was fucking great at keeping you alive, that's why people used it... I'd argue that the most deadly weapon to someone in plate is a stiletto in the hands of a wrestler (or, just to be safe, a stiletto in the hands of a guy with two wrestler friends).

>>46421881
I think hes referring to Mordhau, wherein you employ the sword as a warhammer.

But yeah, plate armour was pretty solid defence.

>>46412914
>better at cutting than any other sword

Educate yourself. https://youtu.be/ppG4y59l5QY

Shamshirs and Tulwars are the best cutting Swords.

>>46416959
>>46421881
not quite accurate (though close)

halfswording isnt about more force, or leverage, its about accuracy, and leverage for that, rather than for attacking. you'll never stab through armour, that's a given. so what you'd do is aim for the gaps. but the gaps are very small - into the armpit, up under the bevor into the throat. In that, halfsowrding makes the sword into somethinga bit like a short spear - your hands are far apart, so you have a lot more control to place the point accurately. your hands are also producing a lot of leverage, so the point stays where you want it, rather than sliding off the armour. that gives you more chance of getting the shot into the gaps, and not sliding away.

after all that, it then helps to drive the point home, but that's really secondary to the accuracy it confers.

>In the end, though, no melee weapon is really "good" against plate, so much as some are "better than nothing". Plate was fucking great at keeping you alive, that's why people used it.

this is the absolute truth of it. Plate was monstrously good. hammers and maces werent an "I win" button - they were as likely to glance off it as a sword - thats something most videogames get horribly wrong.

>>46412296
Put some gold shit on it.

>>46421938
>I think hes referring to Mordhau, wherein you employ the sword as a warhammer.
He was definitely talking about half-swording. It's possible he meant Mordhau, but that's not what he said.

>>46422085
I'm not sure why you quoted me, said I wasn't accurate, then went on to basically say the same thing that I said in my comment (that half-swording is about accuracy, not penetration).

Unless you're referring to my point about half-swording giving you very slightly increased penetration power, which is accurate: it leaves less room in the blade to flex, so it's a stiffer point which is, in fact, better for penetration. But, as I said, not by much... and while I didn't mention it at the time (to avoid clutter, mostly), a stiffer blade is easier to break, so trying to penetrate plate by half-swording is more likely to leave you with a broken sword than anything else.

>>46413589
This, it's much more efficient to injure the guy's arm at that point.

>>46416813
And if they did, they would risk disarmament or breaking their sword. Sword breakers are a thing

>>46421876
I appreciate the effort.