/tgesg/ - Weekend Elder Scrolls Lore General

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>>46389952
holy shit i will use these shitty names for my next TES charakter

>>46389963

Ginger Frost - Professional Pyromancer

>>46389963
>Marcus McMahon
Born to a family of stewards in Whiterun, Marcus was truly a man of the North.
He learned horse riding in his childhood and developed quite a name for himself. His then small stature and the blind dare of youth made him the swiftest of couriers.
One day, he was ambushed on the road to Blacklight. Filthy Dark Elves were as violent as always. But Marcus did not yield. He smacked them down with raw power, crushed them under his elbow for the people of Skyrim.

His name would live on for ages to come, resounding in the halls of Arenas all across Tamriel.

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I bet the mer did this.

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>>46389940
The shit is that image

>>46389940
Can someone pls explain some of the lore regarding magic in the ES universe.

I only get the fact that its source is either the remains of the Aedra or starlight/sunlight.

Also someone explain how geomancy (earth magic) spells work in the setting.

>>46390693
Magic comes from Aetherius, the realm of magic. Mundus only has access to magic due to the sun and the stars, which are holes in the firmament of oblivion torn by Magnus and the Magna Ge when they escaped from Mundus. Lorkhan tricked/convinced the Aedra to give up themselves into Mundus to create Nirn and the laws of physicality. Magnus and his kin were on board with this, and then changed their minds. The violence of their escape created the holes and allowed magic to be available to the inhabitants of Nirn. It permeates everything since it simply saturates the air in the form of light.

Geomancy? Going by lore and not gameplay restrictions: Just craft a spell that affects the earth, probably gonna use elements of alteration and destruction.

>>46390693
Okay so when aedra said fuck this and left, it tore open the holes in reality you see as stars/sun (they're more like balls instead of circular holes except not really but whatever).
This causes leakage of Creatia, the raw power of creation and that stuff, which is transformed into magicka as it passes through.

Of course, souls also have stars in them but that's not really relevant.

Geomancy? That... is not a thing, as in there's nothing called geomancy as far as I remember.
They'd probably fall under alteration or destruction, depending on if you're using shit to make something/just change it, or throwing rock spears or something at people, I dunno.

Mysticism is the only true school of magic

>>46390781
Goddamn Psjiic asshole, go back to being obscure and take your functionless magic with you and shove it where the the dwemer went.

>>46390759
>>46390781

So Earth-magic is mainly Alteration magic with Destruction magic used to create the material for the spell if it's unavailable like in the air or on high seas but is so far not present in any of the games.

The schools of magic is a division to simplify magic disciplines to make the easier to learn.
All in all they aren't separate as a mage-light spell for example is both Alteration and Illusion and Healing Wind is only Restoration+Alteration.

Think Anthropology and its sub-divisions IRL.

Anthropology encompasses: Archaeology, History, Literature, Sociology, Psychology, Philosophy etc.

>>46390843
>Destruction magic used to create the material for the spell
what no

>All in all they aren't separate as a mage-light spell for example is both Alteration and Illusion
what no
Alteration actually makes a glowing floating lightbulg, Illusion gives you the illusion that there's a glowing floating lightbulg.

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>>46390801
Seems like you got quite the history with the psijics.

Im Trainwiz

>>46390903
Ya think? First the fuckos tell me that my research is all wrong and then kick my ass to the mainlands. Then i start making my mark on the world and all sorts of "heroes" start thinking it's their right to kick my ass, try as they might. But the final nail in the coffin of my anger is when the fucking assholes decided to have some slim fuck impersonate me and have him raise hell against those goddamn Cyrodilic hippies, so now people think that i am some common bitch!

Yes, i might have something against them.

Guess who i am!

>>46390960
I'm CIA.

>>46390984
Devin Mccarthy?

>>46390992
>A grill name.
BALMORA
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>>46390984
Is that you, Mannimarco?

>>46391042
No cant you see its Devin Mccarthy?

>>46390801
>mysticism
>functionless

Someone clearly didn't play Morrowind.

>>46391073
why? what happened to it in the later games?

>>46390801
You best be joking. The Old Way is super over powered, and in canon can do amazing things like make islands disappear.

>>46391172
Not him, but less effects in Oblivion, but still good. Not even in Skyrim.

>>46391172
It's just particularly useful in Morrowind because there is no fast travel and "absorb health" spell in that game is objectively best offensive spell available. Basically it's the only school of magic you ever need really.

>>46390693
Magic is, simply put, the energy that emanates from all existence.

>>46391289
>no fast travel
Bitches don't know nothin bout muh silt striders and boats.

>>46391435
He said fast, not just travel. Plus, magic is free.

>>46391435

The Interventions and Mark/Recall are free as in beer.
Also, Mage Guild teleport ist faster than bugs'n'boats.
Also also, the propylon network is probably powered by Mysticism as well...

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>>46391435
Silt Strider a cute
>There will never be another Elder Scrolls game as crazy as Morrowind
>There will never be another Elder Scrolls game as in depth as Daggerfall
>We will never explore the vast culture of pre Oblivion Cyrodiil

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>>46391534
Shh. Shh. No tears now. Only DLC and pre-order bonuses.

>>46391534
>Tfw Dragonborn has the last silt strider.
>Tfw Dragonborn was just a final goodbye to morrowindfags.
I can't deal with this right now.

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>>46391572
Less of a "goodbye" more of a "fuck you, all your friends are dead and no one cares".

>>46391572
OpenMW is progressing as is Tamriel Rebuilt and people are actually making mods (this might take forever) that also add Skyrim and Cyrodiil to Morrowind, so there is still hope although it maybe slim.

>>46391309
Not really

>>46392183
Yah, really.
>This magic power, or Magicka, is just the power generated by the existence of, well, existance itself
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/king-edward

>>46391309
It's not the fucking Force or some sort of panentheism. Magic comes from Aetherius, full stop. It's just everywhere cause it saturates the world from light.

>>46392244

>>46392241

>>46392241
Literally fucking fan fiction?

Well you got me

>>46392244
>implying mer don't have more magickabugs in their blood than men
Your devotion to this old religion of light and dark is sad.

>>46392256
Wow, an outdated source. Next you'll say that since Arena says that spells are cast only through thinking of them, then silence is no longer canon.

>>46392256
>>46392241
>These books should be regarded as historical fiction and not lore.

Read your own damn link. What's next? Marobar Sul's nonsense?

>>46392241
King Edward isn't canon. You wanna try using Begger/Theif/Warrior/King as a source next?

>>46392267
>Literally fucking fan fiction?
Uh no?
That's an actual text retard.
>>46392289
Yes because it clearly makes no contextual sense that something that energy that comes from the realm of pure existence is not the energy of existence.
Let's just disqualify all Daggerfall lore while were at it.
>>46392292
Yah, in reference to the actual fucking story retard. Why would "historical fiction" lie about the nature of magick.

>>46392340
To make it a cooler story

>>46392340
Is ESO at all canon? Because someone just told me that it claims Psijics breed fucking pigs of all things.

>>46392340
>Moving the goalposts.
Also Daggerfall lore is disqualified if a more modern source contradicts it.

>>46392374
I like to think some of it is, while some - like the bugfuck retarded factions - isn't

>>46392374
Didn't mean to reply to the post I did.

>>46392393
Fuck. Thanks though.

I'm not excited for the next game. Especially if it's actually set in Black Marsh. They're going to rape all the Argonian/Hist lore.

>>46392385
Except no modern lore contradicts it retard.

>>46392426
Here's hoping for filthy manmer lore rape
Maybe Tiber Septim will turn out to be an Orsimer or something

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>>46392393
>>46392426
Christ.

Let's just pretend ESO takes place in another kapla where Sheogorath invaded Nirn.

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>>46392443
>Not liking best race.
>Liking filthy orc scum.
Get out of my thread.

>>46392479
>filthy manmer
>best race
Please, even mudcrabs be superior

>>46392340
Almost all of the lore from Daggerfall HAS been disqualified. Unless you've seen Salache elves, neon red and yellow daedric armor, or members of the Temple of the Nine engaging in proxy wars against eachother and everyone else just missed it.

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>>46392479
>Best race
>Bretons

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>>46392498
>members of the Temple of the Nine engaging in proxy wars against eachother
Tell me more
You'll have to call again

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>>46392497
>>46392511
Enjoy getting fucked by spells, N'wahs. I'll be busy knighting it up and rescuing maidens.

>>46392515
Not much to tell, just in Daggerfall either intentionally or not, certain factions of the Imperial Cult(s) had a giant murderboner for other sects, and I remember several quests amounting to turf wars between different sub-factions.

>>46392543
>knighting it up and rescuing maidens.
sweating in scalemail and raping the peasants?
have fun.

>>46392543
Enjoy getting killed by werebeasts Outlander. I'll be busy building a daedric harem.

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>>46392545
That sounds rather interesting, if I'm to be honest.

>>46392552
Will do.

>>46392498
>almost all the lore has been disqualified
>this means all the lore has been disqualified
Very little of Daggerfalls lore has actually been rewritten and most of it is still completely relevant.
Go fuck yourself, anon. People like you who think that Daggerfalls lore is somehow absolutely archaic are the fucking worst.

>>46392574
I couldn't hear you, maybe you have a mouthful of ash and blight.

>>46392601
I'd say it louder, but that might make your decrepit "castles" collapse.

>>46392639
They're a lot sturdier and less flammable than mushrooms. Funny what lava does to those.

>>46392639
You live in mushrooms and dead shellfish. The Dunmer are the dirty rotting remains of the Chimer.

>>46392684
>flammable
>mushrooms
Mushrooms have a high moisture content genius. Most of them are 70-90% water. For someone with +5, you don't seem to be doing much with it. Maybe you should stop wandering around pretending to be a hero because you can beat up some drunks and get a real job, you glorified murderhobo.

Do you guys like the Renrijra Krin? I wish they'd get a little more attention in the games.

>>46392600
The problem is that a lot of other games have re-established it, which are easier to get access to and thus most people don't know the lore was there in Daggerfall, and that several ideas - like the Sage - were never brought up again.

When most people think of the Alik'r, they don't think of the Daggerfall book describing a traveller going there. They probably think of ESO, and it's blurb about the Alik'r with the poem that the Daggerfall story was supposedly inspired by.

>>46392752
+5 what? If you're referring to intelligence, it's +10.
Also, lava don't care about moisture content.
I'll stop adventuring and questing when Dunmer women close their legs and bandits stop existing.

>>46392847
+5 to Alchemy. Sorry, I was too busy raiding your coast for new slaves to notice.

>>46392787
It seems like the Renrijra might be a bit of an artifact considering that their manifesto hasn't been updated in 200 years, and still describes the Elsweyr Confederacy as being a vassal state of the Empire. Still, if they were to pop up as a rebel sect encouraging a return to traditional Khajiit practices rather than joining the Dominion's Aldmeri-centric culture, maybe like the Restless League or a more radical version of the Stormcloaks, I'd love to see it.

>>46392951
>Dunmer
>Sailing.
Yeah, pal. Just remember, if you hit a frozen guy, you sailed too far North.
Maybe you should stick to Argonians. No need to drown, and in exchange, you only get thousands of Dunmer slaughtered.
All jokes aside, I do actually like Dunmer, even if they have one misfortune after another. Third best race.

As of most recent chronological events, who is the most dangerous or powerful force/group/individual in Tamriel? In all Nirn?

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>>46393111
Bretons, Khajiit, DunmerThose are just my favorites in order please no bully

>>46393126
Still i think it would be the Nerevarine or the Dragonborn. Nerevarine has the advantage of being a literal god and immortal at that, with all the benefits it brings, while the Dragonborn enjoys the favor of a more powerful daedric prince and being a dragon.

>>46393126
>force
TalOS
>group
Aldmeri Dominion
>individual
Last Dragonborn or Nerevarine

>>46393111
>dunmer
>not THE best race
N'wah go home

>>46393151
That is a respectable list and I can support that.

Mine goes Dunmer > Khajiit > Argonians just based on lore don't judge me

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One of the ways of referring to someone with CHIM is as The Ruling King, right? This might be a bit of a stretch, but could there always be at least one person with CHIM - like it's a guaranteed position?

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>>46393151
Mine is similar. Breton, Altmer, Dunmer/Imperial, Khajiit.
>>46393168
Telvanni are respectable, and the Temple is compassionate, but the rest doesn't appeal to me. I do quite like alien and strange things, though. Part of the reason I like the lore in the first place. Just not everything being strange.

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>>46393151
God. I wish I lived in Tamriel so I could kiss a dunmer woman.

My favorite races are probably Dunmer, Bosmer, Argonian, and Altmer. In no particular order.

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>>46393296
>Liking Bosmer.

>>46393338
I just like the slightly different spin on the wood elf archetype. Shit doesn't have to be complicated.

>>46393237
You know it's funny that when Morrowind was released my favorite race were Nords, but then I did some skooma and red the Sermons.

>>46393392
Same. I used to be a huge Nordaboo.

>>46393338
Bosmer actually do have pretty cool lore and creation myth.

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Happy Gardtide, everyone.
We're early this week.

>>46392498
>members of the Temple of the Nine engaging in proxy wars against eachother and everyone else just missed it.
So a regular day in High Rock?
Besides, you're misremembering or exaggerating, it's really not that bad. It's more like at times aggressive political manoeuvring, and the temples are as a rule way more concerned with heresy and internal matters.

>>46393392
>TFW I wasn't old enough to understand Morrowind, let alone have favorite races, when it came out.

Man, now I feel like a baby.

Arquebuses in Elder Scrolls when?

A plot about the mages being butthurt over rulers replacing expensive battlemages with peasants with firearms could be fun.

I admit I just want more Arcanum ;_;

>>46393453
Well, the point kinda was that I wasn't old enough to understand it either. When you read Sermons as teenager you only see them as religious mumbo jumbo and sex jokes, so you won't figure out why Dunmer are indeed the best race until you grow up.

>>46393505
Pls, a battlemage would roll over a company of fireleggers

>>46393505
>Person that fucks the laws of physics into the ground on a daily basis
>Being replaced by scrubs with inaccurate Dutch bangsticks

>>46393453
When I first got it I thought Vvardenfell was the entirety of Tamriel so I kept trying to find the names of all the races' homelands on the paper map that came with it. It was frustrating.

>>46393505
Firearms would replace archers, not Battlemages.

>>46393505
One quest in Skyrim had ships that bombards you with cannons, so cannons are kinda confirmed to exist. Not to mention few references to them even before Skyrim.

I also keep hearing rumors that Redguard had cannons and even flintlocks in it, but too bad the game itself is extremely rare and seemingly unplayable on any modern system, so it's hard to check. Given that it's pirate themed I wouldn't be surprised if it's true.

>>46393505
Cannons exist, presumably handgonnes aren't out of the realm of possibility. They're just not that useful. Though I could see a person enchanting a staff to shoot fireballs and it be in a more ergonomic form than a wizard staff.

That'd be fine.

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>>46393505
>arquebuses
>implying that'll be enough to kill a battlemage with alteration spells
at best, they'll just be slightly more expensive to arm and train than throwing a standard issue leather armor and sword at those peasants. Arquebuses aren't really known to be effective or accurate unless you're at close range

>>46393599
Redguard did have cannons IIRC.

>>46393599
>extremely rare
Used to be, isn't any longer.
The only really rare one is the Ngage game.

>>46393392
Going to Morrowind after Skyrim gives me an interesting picture of the Nords. I actually really like their armor and weapons.

>>46393615
In Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity, half the reason muskets were used was that they could easily penetrate the otherwise impenetrable magical shields of mages. It was a cool twist on the firearms-in-fantasy trope.

I'm not too familiar with more than half a dozen fantasy settings, so it might have been done before. (probably)

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>>46393338
What are you, gay? But seriously, they aren't bad, even if they're a little generic if you take them outside of their woods.

>>46393612
I can understand it in context of 4th era when magic and technology in general have devolved, but I find it extremely odd why they didn't make magical equivalent of guns in third era Morrowind which had extremely advanced culture. I mean soul-powered fire or shockball "rifles" would make good infantry weapon and in case of third era Morrowind very easy to mass produce.

Then again I guess that's what all those halberds with ranged damage really are. It's just that the magic system in game sadly does them no justice.

>>46393700
Not to mention that Nord lore in Morrowind gives you completely different picture what Skyrim is like. It's not generic viking land, but a land of naked elemental nords who exist in symbiosis with cold and snow.

>>46393338
Not liking the race with the hottest chicks and man eaters.

Jokes and the stealth-archer meme aside Bosmer are a pretty cool race.

Funny enough that a race famous for archery produced some pretty buff swordmasters.

I want to see their shape-shifting aspect played up in the future allowing them some shapeshifting magic to some degree something like Alter Self in DnD or wild-shape once per day.

>>46393436
And Priests kidnapping/raping local Noble-women who masquerade as commoners and then all three of them dying of overdose from red dust?

>>46393722
too bad that's PoE not TES, where their magic functions differently.

In retrospect, even arrows can punch through most plate armor and a good fortification spell will nullify it regardless. Magic in TES is pretty broken, lore-wise at least

>>46393891
But in the lore, it seems to be harder to learn for the average person. Remember that one book about water breathing, where a guy had to take months to learn how to breathe underwater? And Mystiscim has always been described as the hardest school of magic which is probably why they got rid of it goddamn it wasn't a great school but now all the spells are mixed into other schools

So in the lore, it can be powerful because not many people actually use it. But in games, it's a lot more balanced out.

>>46393891
How can an arrow pierce Ebony or Dragon Bone armour?

>>46393891
It's actually so broken I often wonder how the world hasn't been destroyed in magical equivalent of nuclear apocalypse. There are several books like Feyfolken that seriously imply enchanting and magic are in reality limitless. In Feyfolken they directly say that one could technically create a sword that would cleave the world in half.

>>46393934
The world isn't destroyed because they
-learn their lesson after destroying a chunk of the world
-fix the world with magic
-blow themselves up and lose that knowledge for a while

>>46393934
For similar reasons IRL hasn't been nuclear apocalypsed yet. The mages have the power to do something, but they also don't have the will/idiocy to actually use it.

>I have a spell that can set your entire city on fire!
>Yeah? Well I have a sword that can cut the world in half
>but are you gonna use it?
>Are you gonna see if I will?

>>46393987
Well, look what happened to Yokuda, but I guess you can't count it because technically pankratosword is not magic at all. It's just a sword technique causing nuclear explosion.

>>46393934
>The Alchemy>Enchantment loop is canon.

Yep.

>>46393927
wasn't book really ended up with the guy planning the whole thing with water breathing potions rather than learning the magic itself instead? i haven't read that book in a while

>>46394079
I suppose you have read Four Suitors of Benitah? If not you should do so as that's where the loop is for all to see.

>>46394102
No it was the book where he ironically drowns next to potions because his spell runs out.

>>46393934
if you're intelligent enough to cast spells that fuck up all existence, you might also be smart enough to know that this includes you as well.

>>46394042
That was one guy, and he tried to cut down a tower with his super mind sword atom cutting technique.

Great warriors aren't always smart. Great mages have to do be.

>>46394216
If you go all Dwemer you might just like it that way.

>>46393934
It's limitless, but there are a lot of rules in place, and it's hard for anyone to learn how to use that kind of power. You technically could create a sword that would cleave the world in half, but that would take an amazing amount of effort and knowledge.

>>46393759
A (battle)mage is far more useful than a company of gun-toting soldiers

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>>46393810
>land of naked elemental nords who exist in symbiosis with cold and snow.
>we got skyrim

>>46394409
though, they can be hard to come by since battlemages are elite units. else, they could have armies comprising of battlemages instead

>>46394426
ESO isn't much better. One of the things that bothered me the most was that despite everything Jorrun has done, one of the treasonous soldiers in his dream/hellscape was complaining about being lead by a skald dispute poetry and epics being essential to Nordic culture.

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>>46394426
Well, they wear so little clothes they might as well be naked. I can understand Bethesda's reasons for not making an awesome frozen hinterland full of ranger-like Nords living their ancestral ways. You gotta have some sense of civilization in the game, right?

>>46394498
some books have factions with hundreds of battlemages, thousands in the same location in the case of the Imperial army. The Bretons and High Elves would likely have many as well.

Though I don't know how strong these battlemages are compared to what one would typically imagine them being.

>>46394606
The average Mage who can cast Fireball without exhausting him self quickly.

>>46393810
"Generic Vikingland" would have been a hell of a lot better than we got in Skyrim

>>46393810
To be fair, there's lots of naked Nords in Morrowind.

>>46394775
if they got more Nords practicing their old ways, especially the fringe tribes there, it'll be true to it's lore better. What they did right with the ruins, they never took a step further

>>46394732
Now I'm imagining a bunch of novice mage commoners being enlisted into the army, given basic melee infantry training, weapons, armour and maybe a few magic tomes to share and get called "Battlemages".

Suddenly having thousands of Battlemages doesn't sound so impressive.

>>46393845
Please provide a source for that.

>>46394972
Fireball is an Adept level spell, a mid tier spell that costs a decent chunk of mana.

>>46395020
Eh it's one of the Books from Daggerfall.

A comedy about a Dark elf rogue who sets up a priest of Julianos and a priest of Akatosh to scam them out of their money.
They catch him but he still convinces them to go on together.
Gets them to kidnap a chick of the streets to gang-bang her while he buggers of with the money.
Then HE gets coerced by a Breton chick noble who was a cousin of the kidnapped chick and pulled the strings behind the scenes.
They rob some Dwemer, hide in a giants carcass and then the Breton chick continues to rape the Dark elf because they got them selves a belt of endurance.
Meanwhile authorities found the whorehouse run by the two priestly factions along with the two priests who were drugged up and chopped the girl to pieces.

>>46395124
That's Fool's Ebony right?

>>46395027
Fireballs's required skill level depends on the game. Still, creating a ball of fire and using it as a projectile is something even an amateur mage can do, except in Skyrim.

>>46395124
I though you were talking about quest or actual events in the game. Fool's Ebony is a comedic play.

>>46395196
Yeah. I think that's what it was called.

>>46395230
That depicts and mocks the depravity and politics of priests in High-rock.

>>46395230
Satirical would be more accurate. How much is dramatized and exaggerated is a bit up in the air, considering a few of the holy order missions play out more like mob hits.

>>46395210
In Skyrim, everybody and their mother can make a gout of flame spring from their hands like a flamethrower.
Oblivion, everybody can cast fireball, and it doesn't take much magicka, and since magicka recharges fast, that doesn't matter.
Morrowind, people with training can cast a fire touch spell that can take a good chunk of health without too much magicka, but you need to be conservative unless you can sleep, get potions, or are an Atronach who can absorb.

>>46395290
Don't forget that a touch spell wouldn't be something you could blast someone with from afar - and most mages aren't exactly trained for close combat.

Though generally, I'm not surprised at the idea of magic being fairly OP. TES did come from D&D, after all.

>>46395329
High fantasy magic in general tends to be OP.
Linear warriors, and quadratic mages is the general principal that games go on.

>>46395290
Morrowind magic was kinda underwhelming and the series has pretty weak magic in general till you start abusing it's potential, I only used it to summon daggers, longswords and bows.

Seeing Fallout 4's gunplay gives my some hope that magic will be better... somehow.

>>46395403
See
>>46395369
Linear warrior, quadratic mages.
Warriors start out well, and are a steady, reliable class.
Mages start out weak, with few spells to cast and little health. Around the point when you get more spells and level up, getting more effects, more magicka, higher chance to cast, mages become godlike, and able to do anything.
That being said, the only reason not to have Mysticism as a major skill is if you want to start out with as many spells as you can and already have a bonus.

>>46395403
Why summon weapons when they're easy to carry? I'd rather be able to pull a weapon out whenever I needed it, not worry if my Dagger is going to work or not.

>>46395254
Maybe, but it's primarily just a bawdy play and a caricature. There's truth in the fact that the Temples of High Rock are political institutions as much as they're religious, but I wouldn't take it to heart any more than that. If you look at the actual quests, they're far more tame.
>"As a saving grace, this series of vignettes contains gratuitous references to all pleasures of the flesh."

>>46395289
Excluding for a moment the quests unique to certain temples, there's sixteen temple quests. Most of the quest are about healing, errands, meeting up with scholars, or purging undead/daedra/orcs. There's as far as I know no generic quest that act like mob hits.

I'm not saying that the Temples aren't political and depraved in some way, but that play is going to lengths that are totally unsupported by most other sources. I wouldn't think too much of it.

>>46395536
I do distinctly remember one for the Akatosh Chantey that involved investigating and eventually killing a man claiming to be a prophet. Although, I'm not using a restored/expanded content build,so that might just be a result of the modifications made.

>>46395573
ignore the "not", it is't supposed to be there.

>>46395536
Never mind that it's blown out of proportion.

It's just made as a parody anyway.

And a good one at that.

Seems like it was written on a campaign where the DM and players got drunk.

>>46395484
I'm pretty sure warriors upscale as well when smithing & enchanting are taken into account, plus archery, sneaking and poisons.

I also dislike using potions and magic seems to rely on chugging magicka potions. It's especially annoying when I look up stats and see that in Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim all the hostile mages have *twice* as much magicka as the player can have at that level. The bandit mages in the cave near Seyda Neen at the start of Morrowind have 100 magicka with no racial bonus, for example. I want that magicka!. It would certainly help with me not ditch magic at the start since you don't start off with enough to kill two bandits.

>>46395507
Conjuration levels up quickly so I just practiced casting it for a while. Summoned daggers in Morrowind were full powered daedric daggers with a +10 short blade, very useful, even more so once I find someone that can teach the other bound weapon spells.

>>46395573
It's much rather about how you remember or understood the quest, I think.
What you're talking about is a generic quest known as "The Heretic".

The quests starts with either opening:
>(Temple's deity) be with you, (Brother/Sister). You may have heard of (prophet's name). If you have not yet, you will. We are investigating (his/her) claims that (he/she) is a prophet. We are not, I think, censorious by nature, but we must ever be alert to the presence of heretical influences. Would you be available to assist in this important investigation?
Or:
>It falls upon us to investigate the claims of (prophet's name) that (he/she) has seen the face and heard the words of (Temple's deity). Perhaps you have time to assist in this inquiry?

So this doesn't even remotely start out as a hit job, it's just a investigation of a possible prophet.

Basically, the prophet claims to have witnessed a miracle in a dungeon, and is now also claiming to hear the words of his deity in their head. Now he has written a religious text. The temple says "Interesting, but let us actually investigate that". So the temple sends some guy to investigate the site of the miracle, while you get sent to the prophet's hometown to figure out more info about him. You can also travel to the dungeon to talk with the priest conducting the investigation of the miracle. When you get to the hometown of the prophet and meet a temple cleric, you hear about a former lover, who you visit.

>>46395918
If you have a good relation with the lover's faction, she'll show you a letter the prophet sent her showing how he's a fake. You can end the quest by showing this letter to your temple, or go on your own to confront the prophet. If you meet up with the prophet and give him the letter, he'll freak out and command a warrior to attack you while he flees with the letter.

Now, if the prophet fled, you'll eventually get a letter that the cleric you met in the prophet's hometown has been killed with a religious item. If you meet his successor, get the item, and show it to the prophet's former lover, she'll confirm that it's his item and that the prophet killed one of your temple's clerics. The prophet will also confirm that it's his item. Anyway, the dude sent to investigate the miracle goes missing if you haven't already finished the quest, and you'll find his severed finger, and I believe it's implied that the prophet killed him (been a while since I did this quest, and UESP doesn't have the full dialogue for showing the prophet the severed finger).

Anyway, the prophet is false, can be a murderer, and the temple acts remarkably open about the whole thing.

>>46395843
That depends on the game. In Skyrim, all classes are quadratic.

Also
>The mage in the cave near Seyda Neen.
All of my rage. At least I got some cool travel robes from him.
Either way, just play a Breton or an Altmer, and be born under the Mage or the Atronach. Absorb/damage magicka or intelligence, silence, and sound are fun effects to use, and early on you can dispatch enemies with relative ease by summoning an Ancestor Ghost and using a cheap ranged spell to avoid being the target. Really it's the reason summoning exists.

>>46395843
>ll the hostile mages have *twice* as much magicka as the player can have at that level
That's because AI is retarded, especially in using magic. Without more MP they wouldn't even stand a chance.

>>46396058
This gets apparent in all the games when you give enemies an actually AI package.

I installed ''Revenge of the Enemies'' and can only say one thing to the mod author and that is ''Fuck you for not adjusting the mana capacity of the casters!''

>>46396058
Okay, but there's usually more than 1 enemy, they don't need twice as much magicka when they have multiple mages.

>>46396001
I might try to play a proper spellcaster in Morrowind the next time I play that game. I may as well, since I've played it so much but never as a mage.

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So, uh... I found this.

So i just read some Valenwood lore and found out about spinners.

Aren't they basically the same shit as the Graybeards just focused on shouting illusions and serving Y'ffre/Dibella instead of Kynareth?

>>46397063
T-thanks. I'll just save this in case I need it.

Pre skyrim, was Sheogorath the strongest Daedric Prince? Also, Saints or Seducers?

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/74627/?

Happy fools

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>>46397332
Seducers.

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>>46397332
>Strongest
Probably not the strongest, he was feared because he was unpredictable, not because he was necessarily the strongest. He was probably high up, at least top 5, but Mora, Dagon and Molag Bal are probably stronger than he is.
Saints

>>46397332
He's in the top 5 at the very least. Even the ones who are higher tier than him can probably only out muscle him.

Speaking of Sheogorath, what's Jyggalag up to nowadays? There was barely any mention of him in Skyrim (if any?) which wasn't THAT weird considering he's only been back for some 200 years and the nords aren't known for being daedra fans. Reckon we'll see his statue and get to do a quest for him in the next ES?

>>46397332
>ranking the princes
Can we stop this?

>>46397332
Nah, but he was really involved with mortals, especially humans.
Definitely very strong compared to Malacath or Peryite.
Saints.

>>46397714
He's probably wondering what to do with all the spare time he has these days.

I think he'll get a mention, but I can't see him getting anything more, like shrines/quests or anything.

>>46397773
If that turns out to be true, it'd be incredibly boring. Seeing the effects of the events you're part of in ES is pretty neat. (like the way Vvardenfell went to shit after the Nerevarine destroyed the heart)

>>46397846
True.
>make morgiah queen in daggerfall
>read "The Firsthold Revolt" in morrowind

>>46397846
But is Jyggalag really the type to get involved with mortals? He doesn't have any artifacts, so he won't be throwing those around.

He could pop up in of the other Daedric princes quests though, that might be fun.

>>46397895
Why couldn't he have an artifact of his own (or create a new one)? He was gone for ages and only showed up on occasion in the Shivering Isles to fuck shit up then disappear again; he hasn't had the opportunity to get involved.

The idea of him showing up to ruin the plans of other daedra would be amazing though. I'd buy that any day of the week.

>>46397927
I couldn't help but remember how in Daggerfall when you try to summon other daedra sometimes Sheogorath will show up just because.

>>46397927
NO FUN ALLOWED the god

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>>46397063
>years after I watched this
>the theme song starts blaring in my head
>TEAM UP

>>46397846
That's something I like about TES - it's obvious most of the series was planned ahead to some degree, and it takes pride not only in looking back, but hinting at the future, which is great for going back to older games.

But something that frustrates me is how long it takes to learn some things. We had to wait until Skyrim to get some serious info on what happened in Vvardenfell after we left, aside from some brief references to Saint Jiub. And we had to wait until the Dragonborn DLC to see Jiub again, and learn that the severed head we could find in Kvatch was that of Jiub himself. After Oblivion, we get no idea what the hell happened to the Illiac Bay. Is High Rock still all together, or did they split into warring factions because of the war with the Thalmor, the Oblivion Crisis, or general strife? And Skyrim and its Companions instead of the Figher's Guild and its relatively isolated Mages College meant that we didn't get to hear what happened to other Imperial organizations.

>>46398119
He'll also hijack the summoning day if it's a storm, I believe.

>>46398159
Jiub was in Dawnguard, not DB. It's weird to hear him talk so much aside from his trademark lines in Morrowind.

>>46398254
Was getting summoned part of his plan?

>>46398274
Sorry, yeah, I got mixed up on the DLCs. And it was very weird - he turned out to be a little pretentious, and the voice just doesn't sound right at all. Either it's a different voice actor, or it's just been too many years.

>>46398292
CRASHING THIS SUMMONING WHILE IT RAINS
WITH LOTS OF SURPRISES

>>46398376
Why did he even go to Kvatch?

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>>46398466
He wanted some piece and quiet while he wrote his book. Why he didn't go to some tiny village somewhere, I don't know.

>>46398466
Because Bethesda wants you to think:
'wow if I'd only gotten their earlier.'

>>46398896
But they didn't even say it was Jiub. It's only hinted at indirectly in Skyrim.

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What is a fun class to do for Daggerfall, or are they all pretty equal? I'm leaning towards a jack-of-all-trades Bard, or maybe a sorcerer.

Skeleton noises are fucking terrifying

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>>46400337
Witchhunter always

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>>46400441
that's not a class in Daggerfall, I was planning to do one in Morrowind though.

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Break out your wallets fags

>>46400337
I enjoy anything that's not a thief, though I might prefer something like a Spellsword.
Creating your own class is pretty fun.

>>46400544
Is it bad that I'd be down with that? I mean, it's not what I'd prefer, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't ultimately have a good time with Skyrim.

>>46400619
As long as they /finally/ ditch Gamebryo

>>46400619
Eh. I'm tired of the cold. Plus I do actually want to finish Fo4 first.

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>>46400742
>implying there's anything wrong with gamebryo

Come on Woodrow, we talked about this shit. An engine doesn't make things magically bad or good. It is a tool. You don't blame a hammer for making a shitty house.

>>46400337
Battlemage is nice. The hybrid classes are the best in Daggerfall, with the bard as an exception(imo, it's still good). Nightblade, Rogue, Battlemage, and Spellsword, with Nightblade being the most frail of the four so pump points into endurance. I like the premades, but that's more so due to my lack of discipline and making very competent classes with literally no downsides.

>>46400824
Trainwiz?

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>>46400846
I never go with premade classes. Even in games like Daggerfall or Morrowind, where I'm no good at building classes and I should just use a premade class.

That's probably why I never get past the first few missions in Daggerfall.

>>46391632
*sob*
>>46391802
Sands of Aniquina was best mod. I'd give my right ear to live in that Dune house.

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>>46401015
The one and only

>>46401958
>not giving Proventius his daughter's sword

For shame.

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>>46401990
The only thing proventius is getting is an apple to his stomach

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>Playing Arena
>Temple of Agamanus
>3rd floor
>Have to swim into the tablet room
>Ghost in the wall
>Can't climb up
>Spend the better portion of a week sleeping, getting attacked and using passwall
>Finally make it
>Killed by ghost
>Didn't save
>Fucking Jagar Tharn
Someone kill me.

>>46403054
At least the Halls of Colossus is quick and easy.

>>46403054
How is Arena? I've never tried playing it, but seems fairly similar to Daggerfall.

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>>46403435
Much more simple, horrible fucking controls. but it's kind of enjoyable.

>>46403435
Controls are terrible.
Magic for combat seems terrible, but supporting magics are fucking amazing. Would recommend spellsword. A few dungeons are massive mazes, and if you don't want to wander around for 6 hours, get a map. Save often, because FUCKING SKELETONS I WAS ALMOST OUT YOU CUNTS. Temple of Agamanus is Satan. If you want to play it to play it, grab it off UESP, otherwise, I'd skip it really.

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>>46403529
>>46403661
Are controls terrible in a 'oh god you can't fix this at all, save yoursselves' way? Because Daggerfall was playable after I fiddled with what the arrow keys did and made it a little more like later games in how you look around.

>>46403435
It's meh. Not as good as Daggerfall IMO, and some of the dungeons are just absurd, particularly Labyrinthine, and it's a bit buggy without heavy patching. Otherwise it's a decent enough game and worth a go if you have the patience for it.

>>46403766
There's a mod for Arena that remaps Arena.
http://www.nexusmods.com/tesarena/mods/1/?

>>46403819
I actually find Arena's dungeons much more manageable than Daggerfall, and this is coming from someone who loves the game.

>>46403661
>Magic for combat seems terrible
It's actually pretty good, if you're in a position where you don't need to care about the magicka cost.
You can become a immortal, flying demigod with infinite magic, and at that point combat magic is the best way to fight. Magic is just generally way better than anything else.

>>46403766
You cannot change the controls, which is painful. Once you get a proper configuration up, Daggerfall doesn't bother me one bit (except for the fact that I can't turn while jumping/falling), but Arena is almost aggressively bad in this regard.

>>46403819
>Labyrinthine
Can't remember that dungeon being especially bad. In fact, I think it was one of the quicker staff dungeons.

>>46403840
Why did I not know this before beating Arena?

>>46403888
I don't believe you.

>>46403914

> I think it was one of the quicker staff dungeons.
To be fair, it was like 5AM when I did that one, so I may have been a bit unable to focus at the time.

>>46403914
Daggerfall dungeons are very labyrinth like going up and down. It's not THAT hard to navigate with Recall, and or marking the map, but Arena's dungeons are....flat, if that makes sense.

>>46403960
I went back and reread my posts about it, and I apparently found it really easy. I dunno, our characters might just have been at different levels and of different types.

It's honestly usually better than the total fucking bullshit Daggerfall can pull.

>>46404045
Sorry, I thought you said that you liked Arena's CONTROLS. It's 4AM here.
I totally agree about the dungeons, and I actually really liked a lot of Arena's dungeons.

>>46404093
Are you saying spending 8 hours wandering in circles through teleporter rooms and walls of levers that don't seem to do anything at all except confuse you for no apparent reason doesn't appeal to you?

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>>46404223
Dem abs.

But seriously, is this a bug? Or was it a really special torc?

I do kind of miss the variety that weapons and items had in games before Morrowind. Most wore useless aside from things to sell, but it helped the world feel surprisingly real in some ways.

>>46404329
>those abs
why are abs so great?

>>46404251
Oh, I love that, it gives me a hard on. Bet made some great fucking design decisions with their DF dungeons.

I swear, I have mental scarring from my first proper Daggerfall dungeon. I spent about a week there, and I'm not talking about a in-game week, and I still never found what I was looking for. I still avoid dungeons whenever I can.

In Arena, generic dungeons were just kind of boring. And boring is way better than horrific and frustrating.

>>46404329
It had some valuable enchantment.

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>>46404359
I still auto-save compulsively every time I see a new hallway just because of the DF dungeons.

Wanna start a support group or something?

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>>46404355
They show athleticism and general healthiness, there's an implication of strength but not to the degree that might become unappealing, stomachs in general are nice, they're a part that's freely shown but still something associated with...closer-to-nudity-ness. They're also literally in the middle - you get a nice look at the legs and underside of the breasts as well. And you've probably been conditioned to want to rub Khajiit belly as well.

>>46404359
Do you mean the tutorial dungeon? Man, that was tough. I went in blind because I'm brave like that, and I had no idea how to use my magic properly or how to fight the Imp. I had to go back and kill him with an elvish axe later. And then I had to figure out how to get out! The door's not very obvious if you have no idea that the door's just a texture on a wall. Interesting secret treasure behind the bookshelf, though.

The first dungeon beyond that was just a small crypt. That was disappointing, though I appreciated there was a difference in scale.

>>46404630
The tutorial dungeon isn't even able to be cleared by many builds
Long lesson to learn

>>46404723
What? Seriously? I know magic takes a while to get to work properly, but impossible to clear?

>>46404607
There was a time when I didn't know that the game just plays the door opening sound as background noise, just to fuck with you. I was constantly feeling stalked.
It was horrible.

>>46404630
>Do you mean the tutorial dungeon?
No, I actually found Privateer's Hold to be pretty manageable. I also looted some crypts afterwards, but I don't consider those proper dungeons.

I'm talking about the first generic dungeon I did for a quest, which was an absolute nightmare.

>>46404869
Yep. Hell, even some premades have a hard time. However it's not impossible to clear, just difficult to fight the things inside. Nothing is stopping you from making a break for it

>>46405070
>Run like hell
The best way to play the game

What class should I use for Oblivion? Or perhaps you have an idea of a custom class?
(Minor skills used if applicable)

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I see why Daggerfall's tutorial dungeon is so infamous. Decided to load it up and check it out. Fell through the world.

>>46406042
Did you try to crouch on the Stairs of Doom, or stand too close to the wall in the bookcase room?

>>46406305
Is that supposed to rhyme

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>>46406386
It is now.

>>46406305
Crouched on the stairs of doom. Stuck in the bookcase room now too.
Fuckin' mages and their magic floorboards

>>46405980
Well, what do you want to play as? The best classes are stealth archer, stealth archer and stealth archer.

>>46406719
Check the UESP - it has some hints and common fixes for these problems.

>>46404891
IIRC non-quest dungeons in Daggerfall are partly randomized and that can some times lead them to be really crazy.

>>46406719
When you get to the big room with the throne in it, hit the lever by the platform it's on. Also, don't go to Daggerfall City at night. Just don't.

VEEEEEEENGEENCE! RWAAAGH!

>>46406762
This is oblivion, not skyrim. And Stealth Archer is boring

>>46406762
Why did Bethesda decide that ranged sneak attacks should be so overpowered? It's even in Fallout too. I mean Morrowind did it reasonably, it was powerful, but not like triple or something damage like in later games.

>>46406841
I think it's because morrowind relied on more "to hit" than just raw damage like Oblivion and Skyrim does.

>>46406841
When you're not prepared for damage, it hurts more
Stubbing your toe hurts more than kicking a wall
There's also the idea that if you're sneaking, you arent wearing armor, and can't protect yourself if they attack after the strike

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>>46406816
Still totally applies. There's always some fun to be had in it, especially since magic will become useless if you don't keep up with the proper spells as you level. New weapons are much easier to get.

>>46406841
Probably because they assumed that failing a sneak attack, or getting caught, meant that you would get destroyed in an open fight if you were built for sneaking and hiding, not taking hits. And fairly large parts of Oblivion and Skyrim, at least in their main stories, aren't easy to sneak and shoot in.

>>46407104
Sneaking in Oblivion is harder than skyrim. In Skyrim the AI is retarded, in Oblivion if you don't make that hit count or if they're surrounded by allies, you're gonna caught at lower to mid levels

>>46407058
Archery is still kind of overpowered in MW. Funny thing is that strength based damage bonus applies crossbows too (makes no sense, but it does), so things can get real crazy.

That feel when cliff races can become fun enemies to fight because you have enchanted strength and drop them with one hit from dwarven crossbow.

Still, there is one even more powerful class of archery weapon and that is darts. Specifically dwarven darts that those centurions with dartguns drop in Tribunal. I guess they wanted to simulate gunfire being very deadly, but since it's the dart does the damage the player can utilize that effect too.

QUICK, which are better warriors? Orismer, Nords, or Redguards?

>>46407959
That's very difficult to say, especially since their base stats change a little from game to game. If we go by the holy grail that is Morrowind, I'd have to say Redguards, since they're the most aggressive offensively. Nords and Orcs are more defensive in ways, and not as offensive.

>>46407959
That depends on so many factors it reduces your question to meaningless conjecture.

>>46407959
Redguards, both in lore and games. Also, read cockbride's Cyrus stuff.

>>46407959
In what regard? Sheer effectiveness would be Nords and Redguards. Most agile swordsmen would be Redguards. Most land won and most victories would be Nords. Most sustainable would be Nords and Orcs.

>>46408447
Have orcs ever actually succeeded in anything remarkable aside Orsinum that always gets sacked hard? Then again maybe it's just because their racial curse of being pariahs and everyone else hating them.

>>46408646
I was thinking in terms of general mechanics since they're normally Heavy Armor/Smithing race.
But yeah, other than winning the land deeds to Orsinium, Orcs pretty much always lose.

>>46408646
Being cursed doesn't help them much, but they are renowned as some of the best smiths and natural soldiers, even more so than Nords. But,then again becoming famous for an orc is usually proceeded by getting ditched by Malacath, so it may be in there best interest to stay under the radar regardless of accomplishments.

>>46408646
Well, as an ethnic group, they have a solid reputation for being some of the best soldiers in the Imperial Legions. I actually wish you saw more Orcs and Redguards in the Legion on the games.

Does the fluff mention if they're ever officers, or are they discriminated against a lot?

>>46408913
There doesn't seem to be enough fluff on Orcs to say whether they're discriminated in Legion, but in Morrowind they seem to doing fine and there even few Orc officers. However Deathshead (name of Gnisis garrison) of Legion in Morrowind that has lots of Orcs seems to be considered inferior (yet strong) compared to other garrisons.

Tips for Oblivion?

>>46409381
>Transliminal passage of quickened objects or entities without the persistent agency of hyperagonal media is not possible, and even if possible, would result in instantaneous retromission of the transported referents. Only a transpontine circumpenetration of the limen will result in transits of greater than infinitesimal duration.

Nah I'm just fucking with you. >>>/vg/

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>>46391802
>Tamriel Rebuilt
>Progressing

Nice meme

>>46409381
Mothships > Sunbirds, make sure to drop by Battlespire #343 for supplies on your way to Akatosh.

>>46409682
Also, Ancestroscythe>refusatronic warheads even though the latter cause cooler explosions.

>>46409682
>>46409732
>5E 20XX
>still using Mothships
Vehkships all the way, n'wah. Try engaging at anything other than your maximum range, Cyrod, and you'll see who the real Lord of the Middle Air is.

>>46409752
Why would you use any of those because you can get Numidium mid-game if you exploit the bug (you can actually board it when it's being rebuilt if you clip through invisible walls) in the Halls of Colossus.

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>>46409659
It kinda is, we Dres now.

>>46409833
I hope there's lots of cool bugs and gigantic slave plantations.

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>>46409833
They also want to have Dres living in fucking beehives, how cool is that?

>>46409857
I can support that.

>>46409871
I know right? We might get another Telvanni-tier Great House, think about it.

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>>46409857
Actually pretty damn cool because finally this Nausicaa(?) inspired concept art gets some love.

Still, I can't help to wonder how Morrowind would have turned out if they had given Cockbirke free reign on design. I want my Telvanni wizards inside genetically engineered bug exoskeletons and all that stuff.

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>>46409889
Higher res.

>I want my Telvanni wizards inside genetically engineered bug exoskeletons and all that stuff.
Make a mod.

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And by the way, one Russian guy already made a model of this thing.

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>>46409903
I'd do that shit, but I can't model shit, so I just complain about "lost greatness" of Morrowind because I'm lousy like that.

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>>46409917
Then motherfucking learn it, it's not rocket science. I was the same in the past and then I started fiddling with models and now I can make some basic stuff. Nothing special yet, but that's a start.

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>April Fools shit is finally over
Thank ALMSIVI.

More neat TR stuff

>>46409939
>pic
Needs more trypophobia

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>>46410001

>>46410019
Dres Larva Lamp (some old stuff):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVPjhLFh0rg

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>>46410025
Apparently Dres are ashlandery as fuck, I can get behind this.

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>>46410036
And now some MK scribbles on Dres.

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>>46410041

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>>46410044

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>>46410054
Dres lands as seen in the official Redguard comic.

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>>46410087

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>>46410108
Missed a page.

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I wonder will they add sload and their airships? I'm pretty sure it was Dres who did have dealings with them.

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>>46410126
And that would be all on my 2nd favorite Great House. Please post if you have more.

>>46410122
Sload are confirmed to have dealings with Dres:
>The Sload are the most famous Necromancers, but little is known of their native Thras. In Tamriel, Sload only practice Necromancy on other races. It is uncertain whether this is true in Thras as well. If so, it would explain the number of slaves that are purchased in Tear by Sload merchants and the rumors of Sload airships carrying corpses from Senchal.
I think TR will have Subo-Lathla skyport or something.

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This thing.

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>>46410171
Although it's unknown if these are indeed the Sload floaters or just some kind of giant Netchi creature of Dunmer.

>>46410154
No more comic?

>>46410417
I only posted the Dres-related part, you can read it in full here:
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/origin-cyrus

>>46410425
Thanks!

https://youtu.be/3qzzA49W3us

>>46410425
I wish there was more TES comics like that. Was it Kirkbride who did that thing?

>>46410554
>It was written by Michael Kirkbride, with pencils by John Pearson, inks by Hugh Riley, and colors by Louise Sandoval.

>>46410466
Guy said it would be out by next week

>>46410126
>>46410154
This scene is my favourite in the comics.

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Isn't Amaranth in a way inherently negative? Isn't it, in a sense, also a form of world-denial?
If you take the Anu of the Children's Anuad, his dream is a reaction to loss and sorrow. He secludes himself from his world, "physically" by "hiding in the sun", and mentally by going to sleep.
Even if you consider the Amaranth to be a positive process, one that's supposed to be a self-reflection and coming to terms with yourself, that process still necessarily calls for a negative. You cannot require a process such as the Amaranth unless there's a deep trauma driving you. Or in other words, if Dreaming is supposed to make things better, you have to be in a shitty place for it to occur, and you are going to have to deny the actual world around you.

>>46412458
>daedra
>alignment
Oh shit n'wah what the fuck are doing.

And there's the Flower Child in C0DA, who's supposed to be the Amaranth born of Love.

>>46412458
Actually, I should't call it denial, because that's not what it is. Anu doesn't deny anything that has happened, in fact it's critically important. It's more like total introspection, which is total seclusion. Direct contact with the "outside world" is severed, but it's contents are not denied.

>>46412708
I should just call it guaranteedreplies.png.

Anyway, C0DA has that, but I still kind of wonder the specifics about it. If it is a Amaranth born of love, not sorrow, why is Amaranth required? What is the point of introspection or seclusion if you already have love?

>>46412458
No. That's why Lorkhan created the Arena. So somebody could achieve Amaranth and make a better reality.

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>>46412458
>Lawful Good
>Neutral Good

>>46413044
Honestly, if you've only played Skyrim and not bothered reading lore, like whoever made that, I can totally get why you'd think Meridia is good.

>>46412953
So the dream will multiply and propagate forever.
Why does life exist? There is no reason.

>>46412955
But isn't that essentially just another layer of gnostic thought? It's forsaking the Dream you're from to create something better within the Dreamer.

>>46413562
But saying "no reason" doesn't answer what I'm asking.
Anu seems to have a very clear reason to Dream. I don't know it it's supposed to be a fantasy, self-discovery, therapeutic, or whatever, but it's certainly something he chooses to do or become. It's a remedy or reaction to some sort of need.
What's the need of the Flower Child to Dream? Lorkhan sets its creation into motion, so it can't just be for no reason.

>>46413681
To create a Dream not plagued with Anu's sorrow and the ghost of Padhome.

But too bad, Sharmat will get to him too, eventually.

>>46393933
You make the arrow out of ebony and dragonbone and then enchant it.

>>46397927
Probably a bow or Mace with infinite Daedra/Undead Banishment.

Would be cool to have magic items intent on maintaining order.

>>46398159
For the mages in Cyrodil we know there's two factions struggling to get their paws on artifacts and the like that are full of political intrigue.

>>46405980
Try monk and stunlock bitches while running around everywhere naked.

>>46412458
>Molag Bal Lawful Evil
I'm only getting my feet wet with lore but this doesn't seem right. I want to say more Neutral Evil 2bh.

>>46414766
Molag Bal doesn't have an alignment. None of them do.

Meridia is just as likely to nuke a city as Dagon, she just has different reasons.

>>46412458
>daedric prince
>alignment
>Azura and Meridia being good aligned even to those brain damaged enough to put the princes in alignments

>>46414766
The most correct answer would be to say that they don't have alignments. They're beings of concepts, morality doesn't really matter to them. The only way you could argue that they're evil or good is from a human or elven cultural standpoint, but the Daedra themselves are beyond that.
As an example, Dagon is the Prince of destruction, but he's also about change, ambition and revolution.
Bal is about domination, and there's not only negative aspects to be found in submission.

>>46414820
It's pretty understandable if you've just played Skyrim.

>>46414876
>and there's not only negative aspects to be found in submission
Bal confirmed for second lewdist Prince.

>>46414925
If you have fantasies about being raped, he's your prince.

Does anyone have the next Kalpa ready?

new kalpa when? please use this OP

>>46415282
>>46415287
On it.

>>46415416
>>46415416
>>46415416
>>46415416
>>46415416
GET IN HERE, IT'S GONNA GET SPOOKY.

>>46412458
Why the fuck doesn't this use the Daggerfall Daedra sprites? Does the person who made this even know that Daggerfall exists?

>>46416205
>Skyrim kiddies
Here's your answer.