MTG Modern General

First for nigger tits

Also R/B vamp for soi?

Are you guys ready for dredge to save modern?

Third for Modern control players having no idea what card advantage means.

>>46337679
Lmao, what are you talking about?

>>46337679
Dread Return NEVER

But seriously my dredge reanimator is getting boring and pox doesn't cut it. Maybe I should give in and buy those Bloodghasts since it's the only piece I am missing from dredgevine. Maybe they will get reprinted in Eternal masters tho.

>>46337679

But loam dredge is already doing pretty OK.

What the deck needs is a way to really beat RIP. Other GY hate are OK because they're mostly one time use. Even Scavenging Ooze is dealt with Lightning Axe and that new card, Sinister Concoction. RIP just shuts any GY strategy down

>>46337679
Dredge will never be a viable option again.. There is farrr to much graveyard hate not.. It really sucks so much that WoTC has printed as much graveyard hate as they have... relic of geni, rest in peace.. all these 2 drop exile whole graveyard cards really destroy any graveyard mechanic and entire decks with a single card.. It really made it so that only 3-4 decks can dominate..which has been the case these last 4 years.. I for one like thte eldrazi deck and hope it doesnt get banned bc its nice to see something new for a change..

>>46337773
Blood ghasts is mehh.. honestly that new restless dead card is farrr better for the dredgevine deck..

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>>46337679

It already saved Modern.

Then again that requires Eldrazi to be a thing so people focus their side boarding on the deck and skimp on GY hate

>>46337833

What if they put surgical extraction in the sideboard to go along with ancient grudge? That way you could slow play against rest in peace decks and hopefully remove all the rest in peace in one go and then be able to play your game in peace

I realize that means the deck is slow which is bad for a combo deck, but I think maybe the decks that are boarding in rest in peace are also on the slower side so you have time

>>46337924

But even with all the graveyard hate that exists, dredge is still a strong deck in legacy, so it doesn't seem like the problem stopping dredge in modern is gy hate

looking for tips on how to play Dredgevine. I've got a pretty standard RGB list right now but I feel like I'm not getting the hang of it. This is the list (maybe some of the card counts are off, just a weak-brain day. Mana base omitted)

Creatures
4 Gravecrawler
4 Bloodghast
4 Lotleth Troll
3 Satyr Wayfinder
3 Stinkweed Imp
4 Vengevine
2 Golgari Grave Troll
2 Gurmag Angler
3 Birds of paradise

Non-Creature Spells
2 Darkblast
4 Faithless Looting
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Grisly Salvage

>>46337987
>1 Stinkweed
Don't reply to me or my posts ever again.

>>46338006

Too many moving parts just so you can get rid of RIP. It's better to slow roll and safely dredge than just going all out in game 1. Zombie Infestation is a key card in the matchup as it allows you to discard your dredgers and Squee at end of turn, netting you zombies and not making you vulnerable vs RIP during that turn. Small things like having a fetchland open for bloodghasts is also a crucial play while waiting for Ray of Revelation to come out. All in all, game 1 you play with no worries and dredge all you want. Game 2 you have to play it smart and play around the hate which requires you to dredge and discard only when you think you're safe

>>46338059

This is Jason Chung's decklist that placed 6th in GP Melbourne so eh. Personally I'd want 2, but he opted for a Grave-Troll instead

>>46338022
The problem stopping dredge in modern is that dread return is banned, and that's the way it's going to stay.

>>46338157

Mhm

>>46337573
Anyone think Prized Amalgam has a place in Dredge? I'm probably going to buy some regardless for the Vorthos factor, but it seems like it could have potential.

>>46338367

If you're going for Dredgevine, it's a 2-of. In loam builds, it's not that good

>>46338367
The whole point of dredge is to not have to cast your creatures, from your hand or yard.

>>46338367
The body is nice but damn they went overkill with the speed, making it both "at the end of the turn" and making it enter tapped.

>>46337987

I like how this deck looks like a pile of nothing. At first I was pretty skeptical why Levy removed the Smallpoxes and Magmatic Vortex and just shoved in Conflagrated and Squee but then I played it and it was way more consistent than just relying on early smallpoxes and dying to your own lands

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>>46337573
How about my Angel's Grace, Pact of Titan combo deck? I think this deck is pretty good and can beat most other decks.

>>46338367
I think it has a place in more control lists. Grave crawler wrath, amalgam is a solid line of play.

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Thoughts on this card? Would it ever see play in a modern deck?

>>46338826

Fuck off

>>46337987
4 darkblasts and no gnaw to the bone? 1 Stinkweed?

Dat Allure tech tho.

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>>46338718
You're a sad little man anon

>>46338826
Do you faggots even play this game? That's outrageous

>>46338847

Probably for Mimics, Elves, Birds of Paradise, Legion Loyalists etc. Not even a dead card later on since it's an effective dredger.

Yeah the abscense of even 1x Gnaw is weird, but I guess he was comfortable with Brownscale

>>46338826
That card is fucking retardedly broken and you should feel bad.

it's also not white in the slightest

>>46338885
Brownscale is more than enough to stabilize against aggro.

>>46338864
What is wrong with the card? Could you explain?

>>46338898
What about the tokens?

>>46338943
What about them? They're not white tokens, they don't have white abilities, none of the card's abilities are white, it would be much more acceptable in UB, GB, or mono B even.

That said, tokens are the least of your fucking problems, because not only does this card force your opponent to discard (which costs 4 mana alone in many cases), it also prevents them from doing literally fucking anything but attacking on their next turn and gives you THREE deathtouch chumps to block anything they have on board for -half- the mana a card with just those two abilities would cost.

Please, for the love of god, go shit up the /ccg/ thread or uninstall MSE.

>>46338898
Preventing players from casting spells is a white thing, but that card is still mind numbingly retarded

>>46337987

Sexy looking list damn. I'll try this once I get my Bloodghasts from the mail.

>>46338943
>Discard 2 for 4 mana
Sure
>Discard 2 and 3 deathtouchers for 4 mana
Bit cheap for what it does but sure
>Target player skips everything but their combat step, and discards two, and puts three dudes on the field
>For 4
Go fuck yourself back to the Custom Card General
IF anything remotely near this card was printed it would cost like 9 and be in Esper Colors

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>>46337987
>My feel whe i play little abzan with Rest in peace and Scavenging Ooze
Go on, do this popular for me

>>46338943
You 3 for 1 your opponent and get a time walk for 4 mana. The tokens are irrelevant at this point. There is nothing fair or ok about this card.

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>>46339298
>>46339133
>>46338898
>>46338898
>>46338864
>Don´t get pic related

>>46339554
Who are you quoting?

>>46338826
I'd rather have a card that says target opponent loses the game than this shit. At least it's more blatant.

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>>46339859
Would a card like this be more balanced?

>>46341914

Fuck off

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>>46341939
Why are you giving him (you)s? He's obviously a troll, and you're just feeding him.

>>46341939
That isn't very nice. Could you explain what is wrong with the card instead if you do not like it?

>>46341914
Please do not post custom cards outside of the custom cards thread. These provide no relevant discussion to Modern or other formats.

>>46337573
Anybody have experience with 5c Gifts Control?
I need help with my SB, Eldrazi doesn't really exist in my meta thankfully, there's one player, and I'll beat him with my main deck anyway.

>>46337573

>Do you guys think Eldrazi will survive the ban and just drop to tier 1.5 or 1?

Yes, WotC will only make a ban to make sure the deck still survives and packs can still keep being sold.

>>46342180
I don't know about your meta or how you build your deck. So I'm just going to throw ideas at you and you can decide what is useful.

Leyline of Sanctity is useless now that burn is playing more creatures. Between your maindeck and your sideboard you're going to need around 6 lifegain cards to hedge against this deck. Timely Reinforcements, a Thragtusk, a Siege Rhino, and Kitchen Finks should buy enough time until you reanimate Iona.

2-3 copies of Stony Silence for Affinity, the third or forth Affinity hate of choice for me is a more flexible card like Darkblast or Disfigure that hits Infect.

A wrath or Pyroclasm effect out of the board is sometimes handy.

If you're running the Loam Raven's Crime maindeck package you can bring Engineered Explosives and Academy Ruins out of the board to wreck niche decks that fold to endless wraths.

The countermagic is really personal preference: Negate, Spell Pierce, or Dispel. Duress is pretty much a blue spell like these others.

Spellskite - a pretty good all-rounder even with Twin out of the format.

Relic of Progenitus is my graveyard hate of choice.

You have a pretty flexible variety of assholes to bring out of the board. Thragtusk, Baneslayer, Grave Titan, Blood Baron of Viskopa - whoever it is a lifegain target is a good idea.

If you have too much money you can just put 4 Tarmogoyfs out of the board.

>>46342603
Those all sound like great suggestions, and I'm already running a few of them.
But the academy Ruins, Engineered Explosives was a portion I had not even considered. That will greatly help against Souls.

>>46339424
>he plays scooze and RIP

Is it worth it to pick up Soul Sisters? I already have a couple of decks but wanted to try something new, and have a more simple deck to lend my gf when she comes to modern night. Will it just get stomped? Could it be alright in a post eldrazi meta?

>>46342775
How many Tron and Infect players are in your LGS?

>>46342885
It gets wrecked by Tron? But it plays 4 ghost quarter and has pressure?

>>46342907
If you have the right hand Soul Sisters can beat Tron, but it's not a positive matchup.

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Ban list got leaked, get rekt eldrazi.

>>46342951
>Survival of the Fittest unbanned
Oh, man I fucking wish.

>>46342951
Needs more modern unban before I'll believe it.

>>46342942
So are those the only bad matchups? My meta is a mix of affinity, merfolk, kiki chord, and a lot of grindy grixis and jeskai builds since we used to have a lot of twin players. There's a few ad nauseam and storm players too, which I expect is a really bad matchup you beat out of the sideboard.

>>46343128
>ad naus and storm
Pack an angel's grace or two in the sideboard for BIGPLAYZ

>>46342951
They're not going to ban both lands, thats idiotic

>>46343128
Those are the bad tier one matchups. It also doesn't do particularly well against abzan company (really just most combo decks in general), but it's good against aggro decks where your life total matters, like burn, affinity, merfolk. You can win vs. grindy decks if you play well, so it seems Soul Sisters is fine for you.

>>46339424
That seems like a nonbo

It makes me sad that elves are better than merfolk now

What is a good graveyard hate card that only hits the opponent in UW colors ?

>>46343442
Surgical extraction or tormod's crypt.

>>46343442
Leyline of the Void

>>46343442
If you're not scared of drawing a dead card later.
Leyline of the Void is actually pretty decent.

>>46343442
Faerie Macabre is quite good.

>>46343442
Basically, what we're saying is suck it up and run a little bit of black champ.

>>46343442
Grafdigger's Cage

>>46343442

Tormod's Crypt

>>46337573

They'll only ban Eldrazi Temple because there isn't an Expedition version.

>>46343449
>>46343824


Thanks! Tormod's crypt it is.

>Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
Why is this card so expensive? Is it the 2 mana for a 5 loyalty planeswalker that offers flashback or a mill-based win condition?

Also, how likely is it that Inkmoth Nexus's price will drop after the upcoming banlist change?

>>46345366
Extremely unlikely. It will only go down if it gets reprinted, banned or infect gets punted out of the next few tournaments early.

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>>46345366
Turns out flashing back game winning shit like Collected Company and Rally the Ancestors in addition to shit like treasure cruise and dig through time is really fucking good.

When your deck relies on casting an instant or sorcery to win, it's nice to have an extra 4 copies

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>>46342974
Me too. I'd instantly buy four copies and leave this sinking boat of a format.

>>46338157
Which I do not understand. Modern Dredge would lack the spells which make the deck so consistant in Legacy. No Study, no Imp, no LED. It would have to resort to shit like Hedron Crab to succesfully get stuff in the yard, making it a turn or two/threw slower.

But I guess we keep kneejerk reacting to Dredge for decades to come.
>mfw

So I wanna try running an updated version of a Standard deck I used to run back when Standard was fun: UWx Blink-Touch. The idea was to try and stabilize early with whatever 1-3 drops/removal/counterspells were relevant at the time until you could either Momentary Blink a morphed Akroma or Aethermage's Touch EoT into an Akroma or a Bogardan Hellkite. On your turn you swing and either morph the Akroma later then Blink it, or Blink the Hellkite.

Thoughts on how to make this run well enough to survive a post-Eldrazi FNM?

>>46343409

They are just different

One day there will be more Jund and grixis and stuff that poops on elves

>>46346142

This sounds like a Flicker Morph style deck. I recall there used to be one with a combo involving what you said and Vesuvan Shapeshifter

>>46342951
Fake.jpg, eh?
I suppose I can trust this

>>46347374
>Trusting random frogposter posting jpg on this albanian cartoon board.

>>46343215
How is it idiotic? One land is a 2-for-1, the other is Free Mimics.

>>46347315

That's Pickles. Rav-TS Standard was the best

>>46347315
Pickles was a pretty cool deck too, just not fast enough to deal with how good linear aggro is in Modern. Flicker Touch was always a little stronger against aggro in my experience, and it seems like every element of that particular style of deck has gotten stronger. So the bones are definitely there.

>>46347486
Truth.

>>46347435
I'd ban both. Eldouches can just assemble tron like the rest of the fast mana scum.

Reminder that dredge will keep being banned (except 1 mana rip in shadows) because it exist for ONLY one purpose.
IT HUNTS.
IT KILLS.
IT FUCKING GENOCIDES EVERY SINGLE THING WOTC STANDS FOR.
>Destroys shit players
>Destroys EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PETDECK WIZARDS HAVE (memerange, eldrazi, etc...)
This will never be allowed.

>>46346017
The only major cards modern misses out on are cabal therapy and Ichorid and LED. Everything else is pretty much there and you can operate pretty smoothly without LED or Ichorid.

>>46348250
>can't go off on turns 1-2
>no hand disruption against silver bullets that is synergistic with bridges
>no ichorid beatdowns in case bridges are exiled
>no dread return iona/elesh-norn/inkwell leviathan
>can operate pretty smoothly
Yeah good luck with that.

>>46348419
Did you read through the thread or are you just shit posting?

>opponent is playing some pile of shit maze's end deck
>fuck up his plan with ghost quarters and tectonic edges
>tries to go off with maze's end
>forgets to pay 2 to leonin arbiter
>can't search his library
>scoops
>rages in the chat

Salt mines.

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>>46348462

Forgot pic.

>>46348462
>playing mtgo
You asked for this.

>>46348473
>Relies on MTGO's interface to win.
My gods that is fucking hilarious. You got a list i have to try that.

>>46349048

Its regular modern death and taxes, its just that leonin arbiter is clucky as fuck on mtgo. You have to click on the arbiter and pay 2 mana to search before you even attempt to otherwise the search just fails outright, and yet you get so many people that try to search THEN pay 2 mana for it. So many people are retarded and don't read the card before trying to search then blame you when it goes wrong.

>>46348250
Like I pointed out, consistancy is the major thing Dredge in Modern is lacking. Things like Ichorid and Therapies can be replaced by subpar options. But having Faithless Looting as the only viable T1 setup in Modern is the real problem here.

>>46341914
Here is something I have learned over the years. If you make custom cards your autistic and should kill yourself

>>46341914
Literally a faggot

>>46349096
Is not that too much busted with Ghost Quarter?

>>46349096
It's the same in paper. You have to pay the tax before you put any search effects on the stack. Leonine arbiter is kind of awkward that way.

>>46349898
>Paying {2} to ignore Leonin Arbiter’s effect is a special action. Any player may take this special action any time he or she has priority. It doesn’t use the stack and can’t be responded to.
You can do it as long as you have priority

>>46337573
Which version of infect is better? UG infect or BUG infect?

>>46350178
UG

Dredge.

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Would adding a sixth color be balanced? How about brown, a color that emphasizes space and the laws of physics with a game play focus on delayed effects such as suspend for large game changing abilities.

>>46350273
What are mechanics that rate 10 on the storm scale, Bob.

>>46350319
There is already a sixth color anon, fuck off.

>>46350329
Banding with others?

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>>46350319
>someone, somewhere got so analysis ravaged by infect that they made a shitty custom card to beat it.
Holy shit can you imagine the anal devastation?

>>46350376
I'm just surprised it didn't say creature or land, considering you never know if he got hit by the blink moth or not. Maybe he was just getting fucked by agent.

>>46350354
BZZZZZZZZ

That's wrong Dave. Bands with other and banding rank 11 on the storm scale.

The correct answer is Storm and Dredge.

>>46350329
Miracles

>>46350329
Maro said dredge is only an 8 senpai

>>46350426
Miracles might as well be a 10 since it wasn't even considered to be a return mechanic in SOI block but it's actually a 7-8.

>>46350499
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/116468574218/where-is-dredge-on-the-storm-scale-is-it-even#notes

>>46350499
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/storm-scale-khans-tarkir-block-2016-02-29

Dredge is 10/10

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How does Dredge fight through cards like rip in pieces/relic/leyline of the void?

Never really been here before, but I've been getting into magic over the past year or so. Does everyone here hate Eldrazi decks?

>>46350590
By being faster than it or by using Cabal Therapy or at the worst of cases by sideboarding Nature's Claim/Enchantment/Artifact hate and hoping to draw it and using it before it gets late into the game and a single RiP kills you.

>>46350617
Everyone everywhere hates Memerazi decks

>>46350590
Either side in the black dicard or bait the hate early when you can still recover (ancient grudge and such)

>>46350675

For what reason?

>>46350685
Completely warps the meta.
You're either playing Eldrazi to try and win, or you're built to beat Eldrazi and get second place.

Also doesn't help that twin just got banned for being "too present" when Eldrazi makes up way more of the meta and made even more decks unplayable.

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>>46350685

>>46350720
>Also doesn't help that twin just got banned for being "too present" when Eldrazi makes up way more of the meta and made even more decks unplayable.
You dum dum are aware that they never existed together making this a moot point.

>>46350685
>OP as fuck
>mindless
>doesn't do anything interesting
>high variance
Take your pick.

>>46350720
>>46350782

I guess it's just because I'm pretty new to the game, but I don't get what makes Eldrazi so unbeatable. Is it just because they're colorless? Too many creature abilities on them? I'm just casual scum I guess.

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>>46350685

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At FNM draft last week, I was 2-0 going into my 3rd game, and my opponent sits down and brags that he is going to go 4-0. Half way through the first game, he pulls out a gun and shoves it in my face and says "give me the fucking match win or I'm gonna blow your fucking brains out asshole". I had a feeling that he didn't really open that gun in his pool, so I called a judge (I don't think that Gun is even in this set),, and he went to shoot me but his finger was sweaty and it slipped off the trigger, and the judge gave him a warning for missed triggers. Then he went over to his friends and told them he played against a huge jerk.

was i in the wrong?

>>46350833
yes

>>46350755
What?

The reason they stated for Twin getting banned was that it was "too dominant", and it was only like 10-15% of the meta at the time.

Eldrazi is like 20-30% RIGHT NOW, like a week away from it being banned (and everyone knows its going to be). So basically, it was probably even higher earlier on (I don't have exact figures)


Also, can't confirm, but I have heard that Twin wrecks Eldrazi, making it even worse that they banned a deck that had a great matchup. Granted, they banned Twin before Eldrazi was really a thing so it may not have been malicious, but still.

>>46350812
Eye of ugin a land that reduces cost of eldrazi by 2.
Eldrazi temple a land that can be tapped for 2 colorless only to cast eldrazi spells.
Having both on table lets you cast 4 drops on turn 2 only ramping harder.

Biggest offenders being 2 cmc eldrazi mimic, 4cmc Thought-Knot seer and reality smasher at 5cmc. And they are pure colorless

>>46350755
I know they never existed together, but Eldrazi existing is salt in the wound to a lot of people who miss Twin.

>>46350812
Basically, they power out bigger, more aggressive creatures faster than anyone else. Though-Knot Seer provides disruption, Mimic acts as a free dude that just gets better as you drop more dudes, Matter Reshaper replaces itself, and Eldrazi Displacer can help save your guys/sneak them in. Throw in some black for more disruption, blue for counters, and/or white for removal, and it just punches its way to the top.

You can also get a 5/5 with trample, haste, and built in protection on turn three.

And then do it again on turn four.
And again on turn five.

>>46350870
>Also, can't confirm, but I have heard that Twin wrecks Eldrazi, making it even worse that they banned a deck that had a great matchup. Granted, they banned Twin before Eldrazi was really a thing so it may not have been malicious, but still.
Nigga chill I only said that you cannot compare "dominance" since twin got hammered just before eldrazi became thing.

>>46350922
also fuck trying to post on phone missing half of the fucking quote.

>>46350870
All he was saying is that there has been no demonstrated hypocrasy in the splinter twin ban as they haven't had an opportunity to ban eldrazi yet.
>Eldrazi is like 20-30%
Eldrazi is over 30%.

>>46338826
First of all, learn to word, please. Secondly, there's a thread for this.
>>46311183

>>46350873
>>46350893

So I guess I should build an Eldrazi deck to win,and any other deck to just have fun? Right now I have a B/R Eldrazi aggro deck but I don't have any of those cards you described. Haven't had a chance to play it yet but I guess it'll have some pretty decent success.

>>46350999
Don't build Eldrazi.
Or, at the very least, Don't buy Eye of Ugin.
Something in Eldrazi's getting banned within a week and a lot of people think it's Eye.

As for other decks, I had fun with Lantern Control, but that's pretty costly. Maybe try Elves or Dredge?

>>46351046

I really like aggro decks, just because they're hard to fuck up and I like dealing damage asap. I had some success against friends with a mono red goblin deck that I made, as well as a weird lifegain/aggro B/W deck. I looked at the dredge deck posted in this thread, but I couldn't see how it was good. What's lantern control?

>>46351046
What would happen to modern if they just banned thought knot seer instead?

>>46350550
I just want wither back

Fuck infect

Still waiting on Gravestorm too, Bitter Ordeal is one of my favorite build around me cards

>>46351115
Affinity is a pretty nice aggro deck but, again, costly. Collected Company with Goblins can be pretty aggressive, too. Merfolk is also an option if you want a deck that easily converts to a passable legacy deck.

Lantern Control is rude.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/developing-competitive-modern/221769-lantern-control

>>46351175
I feel like it wouldn't make enough of a diference. The problem isn't the creatures themselves, the problem is the lands are retarded.

Then again, I'm terrible at meta predictions, so take this with a grain of salt.

>>46351175
Nothing

The deck isn't good because the creatures are good (even if some of them are like Thought Knot and Smasher) it's good because you get to run 2 legacy lands in modern.

>>46350870
>Also, can't confirm, but I have heard that Twin wrecks Eldrazi

Fuck no it doesn't

>>46350833
That judge should of gave him a game loss for illegal cards. That judge is a shitter.

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Are YOU ready for Dredgevine to become tier 1?

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>>46351477
>Dredgevine
>Tier 1

>>46351571
With Insolent Neonate and Prized Amalgam the deck is hitting the levels of consistency it needs.
Yes it still dies to graveyard hate, but so does any form of Dredge.

We shall rise again

>>46351591
Tier 2 at its best.
At
It's
Best

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twinnigers still on suicide watch

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Stoneblade is the hero modern needs an diserves

>>46351622
You don't know what you're talking about
And when we come, where will you be?

>>46350870
If you want yo bitch about that, why not how twin wasn't top deck in the meta at the time of the ban? Affinity was more present, and a couple others went far behind. Twin got banned because it won a couple more GPs then those other decks, not even enough to be statistically relevant.

>>46351720
I will be where i am.
Playing affinity

>>46351702
I still hate this new blurry art. Same with that new snap Ronaldinho art.

>>46351255
A standard pre-eldrazi list doesn't, but you can easily tweek it to.

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Does anyone have how thus ended up?

>>46351782
They did another one? God damn their posters are 10/10, like the first one with "BBE VS JACE, REMATCH OF THE CENTURY! SO BRUTAL WE CAN'T SANCTION THIS SHIT!"

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>>46351702

>>46351702
Thats just unfair. Why is that allowed to exist?

>>46352071
To give D&T a win condition.

>>46342951
>banning Eye AND Temple
>unbanning Survival of the Fittest
>I'm supposed to think this is real

They'll just ban Temple.

>>46352190
>implying Survival is good in Legacy anymore

>>46352212
Not when Chord exists it isn't

>>46352220
...what

>>46352347
Don't you know? Chord is a better Survival

>>46352363
again, what

Why are Merfolk considered good again?
They're slow, shitty interaction, get blown out by anger of the gods and Elves are just straight up better and more competitive

>>46352501
Looks like someone doesn't like to swim.

>>46352071
>unfair
>dies to bolt
>is countered by spell snare
GIT GUD
I
T

G
U
D

I only know one thing

Dredge is life

>>46351816
Gets funnier every time.

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>>46351782

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>>46353083
>Blightning will never be played again

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>>46352917
>he runs red in the eldrazi era

>>46352417
A joke from a thread or two ago.

>>46352501
This desu. Tier 3 at best

>>46352501
Merfolk doesn't 100% fold to Pyroclasm and have a shorter clock and are harder to disrupt due to counterspells and vials shitting out lords vs bolts.

>>46352501

Merfolk have good tournament results though

Aren't results a more reliable measurement of a decks power than any theory craft from tg??

>>46353151
>Impliying eldrazi will survive

>>46353541
You are using actual facts to win a discussion on the Internet
Is not like if somebody here took you seriously

>>46353544
>he's not going to run black when SOI is released
And you're telling me to git gud

>>46353602
Fake as fuck. There's no way they'd unban all of caw blade AND fucking dig at the same time

>>46353602
>ancestral visions
>card is actually Ancestral Vision

Please stop with the fakes.

>>46353541
>>46353570
That's a bad samefag

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You guys just aren't ready are you?

>>46353541
Not really. Most pro tours are pretty inbred as it's just pros meta gaming against each other, same with GPs and opens to an extent.

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WOOAAAHHHH

>>46353710
But you know why the pros are playing with said decks in the first place, right?

>>46352501
Elves is less interactive and eats even more shit to pyroclasm. You should probably find a better platform to argue on.

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Oh this is just too easy

Can't you all git on my level

>>46353733

Sure, but when boggles and living end spike a major event it doesn't mean those are good decks, it just shows all the decks were hated out of the tournament.

>>46353863
Kek, put some effort into it.

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>>46352501
this + all their lords conveniently having islandwalk and only costing 2 mana.

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How do we break this?

>>46354275
First, give it toughness so it can exist.
Second, print it.
Third, souls sisters/grave pact or some shit idunno.

>>46354275
>exile it and put it onto the battlefield at the same time

Uhh...

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>Haven't looked at prices in a while
>Eye of Ugin now worth $90
>mfw

Jesus christ, I have like 10 of these suckers

>>46354377
SELL SELL SELL

>>46351782

I believe Zoo took this

>>46354122
They have no curve

>>46354423
dropping 2 playsets on Ebay as we speak

>>46354348
The entire block of rule text is weird. But what I think they are going for is a card that kills itself twice. You sacrifice it, then return it to the battlefield, or you exile it instead. The the next part kicks in, where it gets destroyed.

>>46354448
They don't need one.

>>46354448
>aether vial

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>>46354377

>>46353622
>SOI
>modern playables
Go to kitchen table general

>>46354505
Oh
he was looking at expedition prices
normal ones are around 20-25ish

>>46354505
fuck, I guess my app for some reason went to Expedition land Eye.

my bad

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I think this would actually be a kickass sideboard card if it cost anything else.

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>>46354377
You what. Even the Expedition is only $60.

xth for le frog

>>46354573
Stick this effect on a hate bear

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>>46354583
Feels good that I sold mine just after the Eldrazi wrecked the meta
$45 a piece
Same for Temple that I sold $10 each,
Nearly $250
mfw

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>>46354726
>not keeping them so you can eventually turn Eldrazi sideways in Legacy

>>46354769
Who cares, now he can rebuy them for a fraction of the price if he wants to do that. Well, long as you didn't sleep on City of Traitors.

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>>46354792
>mfw I did
>mfw I'm still sleeping
Please don't wake me up

>>46354769
Cause when I think of legacy, Eldrazi is the thing I wanna be doing. Super fun.

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>>46354769
>Turning Eldrazi sideways in Legacy

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>>46354882
>>46354900
>not playing the best deck in Legacy atm

>>46354841
I missed out on Mox Diamond and LEDs, so when I saw Traitors was next on the Reserved spec train and already went up eight bucks overnight, I manned up and got a LP/NM playset. No regrets, even if Legacy Eldrazi is silly, it's my kind of silly.

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>>46354936
But anon I am already playing Miracles.

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>>46355001
You already know the miraculous feeling of Eldrazi dick in your ass then

>>46355078
That feeling you get after you terminus a hellbent eldrazi memer? Feels pretty good alright.

>>46354936
>getting all your memedrazis discarded t1 followed by 4 ichorid beatdowns the next turn

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>>46355129
>these delusions of control

>>46355213
tfw

>tfw bought the collectors edition birds of paradise without knowing what they were like

I just thought they were normal cards..

>>46355721
I really don't like the art on those, even 9th edition looks nicer to me

>>46354377
If your LGS gives you even a $30 for them it's probably a steal

>>46355749
It just cracks me up that it says, summon mana birds and the art is the kind that's so bad I like it

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Why isn't this used in modern very much?

Its a decent blocker and it can't be bolted/pathed/etc. Plus it gives you any color you want.

>>46355840
Because 2 mana dorks are niche and ass except wall of roots which essentially gives 2 mana in the deck it's played in. Plus wall of roots blocks early-mid goyfs.

>>46355840
The decks that need the manadork run Wall of Roots since it has pseudo-haste and synergizes with Chord of Calling's convoke.

I do run 4 carytad in a certain meme deck and it's quite irreplaceable in that list.

What if they just ban mimic?

>>46355949
No. Unban dread return. Give it a chance wizards.

>>46355949
Don't be dumb

>>46353083
>2-1-1 $15 store credit
Sweet God I wish my stores were this good.

>>46342951
Fake because Mishra's isn't there for vintage.

>>46355949
IF anything it would be TKS but having 8 lands that generate 2+ mana is still pretty broken even without the thoughtseize on a stick

Whose spawn are Thought-knot Seer's? Reality Smasher, Eldrazi Mimic?

>>46356227
Your mom's

>>46356268

You're*

>>46355990
Unban "literally Hitler" and commit a shoa on meme decks?

Not under Mark Rosewaters nose!

>>46356295
Their*

>>46356227
Kozilek, they have those funky shard headdresses

>>46342951

Remember when people couldn't deide if Dig Through time or Treasure cruise was ban worthy, then wizards banned both of them

well, yeah...

>>46351782

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ui8rKLU5o-bwByc8OjUVmkVpcU5y9x9rKvHElF3H-Fs/mobilebasic

29/30 lists reported, top 8 at bottom

>>46356440

Unlike those 2 though, they want Eldrazi to survive the bannings because

-It sells OGW packs
-They aren't blue cards
-They tap sideways

>>46356482
wew lad

>>46356482
OGW is moving out of print, they couldn't give a fuck really except if they don't destroy the archetype it helps them appear semi competent.

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>202.3b The converted mana cost of a double-faced permanent's back face is calculated as though it had the mana cost of its front face. This is a change from previous rules. If a permanent is copying the back face of a double-faced card (even if the card representing that copy is itself a double-faced card), the converted mana cost of that permanent is 0.


LITERALLY DELVER BUFFS

>wanting to engineer explosives against yung peezy tokens and bugbro at the same time
>get btfo by laywers

JUST IN TIME FOR TITI MONSTER TOO

>>46356482
You still have Sphinx's revelation anon.

No ban list modern seems like it'd be more fun than normal modern.

>>46356739
Just play Legacy.

>>46356648
>running meme in the ice with young pyromancers
Yeah go for it bud

>>46356649
Sphinx's Revelation is such a based card. Too bad control decks are shit.

So I'm seeing all sorts of different prices right now, how much would be a good price to sell kozilek at?

For that matter, how much should I sell the rest of my eldrazi shit for? What are the most pricy creatures? I have shit for lands but I have most of the big creatures so I'm wondering how much they're worth anyone know?

>>46356826
He's stating that you can no longer kill the elemental tokens and Insectile Abomination at the same time, and in a separate statement saying that it will also be a boon to Meme In The Ice.

>>46355001
>>46355213
Eldrazi is already Tier 1 in Legacy. It made 2 top 8 and 6 top 32 at SCG Philly. It's on par with Miracles and helped boost Lands a lot because they're a bad match up against them. The meta is still evolving but for now it looks like a more consistent, tribal MUD.

The Legacy guys are chill and know how to adapt, unlike Memedern crybabies who can't do shit but whine "omg ban" whenever a new kid on the block that isn't Tron, Affinity or Infect shows up.

>>46356928
Jesus christ literally Google

>>46356999
Fuck off, legacy players have many more options to deal with them. What do we get?
Fucking ghost quarter and Terminate

>>46356826
>implying implications

All I said was that delver of secrets got buffed, TiTi got buffed, and also Huntmaster got buffed.
"LEL go ahead and make a RUG flip list bro"
Nah

>>46356823
But I don't want to play with legacy cards. I want to play with mental misstep, drs, bbe and dread return.

>>46357042
this

comparing Legacy to modern is stupid in this instance, there's almost no correlation... The landscapes of the formats are entirely different and Legacy has more powerful spells to deal with it.

>>46356440

They were both blue cards though.

Turbo Fog Tier 1?

1x Elixir of Immortality
2x Visions from Beyond
4x Ethereal Haze
4x Holy Day
4x Dawn Charm
3x Angel Song
4x Howling Mine
4x Mesmeric Orb
4x Sphinx's Tutelage
4x Dictate of Kruphix
2x Supreme Verdict

4x Ghost Quarter
2x Shelldock Isle
2x Hallowed Fountain
2x Prairie Stream
2x Port Town
5x island
5x plains

SB:
3x Stony Silence
2x Surgical Extraction
2x Relic of Progenitus
4x Negate
4x Leyline of Sanctity


:^)

>>46357072
>""""""""""play"""""""""" with mental mistep
More like "I want to never play anything turn one ever ever ever."

>>46356928
Don't sell the rest of your Eldrazi shit. Instead, sell it, buy Ancient Tombs and join us over at Legacy.

>>46357072
Would that be so bad? It would slow down the format, there by letting control succeed more.

>>46356823
>>46356739
MNBL is wildly different from Legacy. Interestingly Eldrazi perform poorly, i mean Elves + Skullclamp or Hypergenesis onto Emrakul can get ridiculous

>>46356999
Eldrazi tier 1?
Pfff
Enchantress, tezzerator, miracles, death and taxes have all options against them. Even dredge can recur wasteland. If you lose against eldrazi is because you were stupid enough to not expect them

>>46357204

>eldrazi aren't good in legacy

I want this meme to end

>>46357204
Dude, I'm not making this up.
http://thegraymerchants.com/?p=1517
Go check the meta on mtgtop8 or whatever. Eldrazi does not steamroll Legacy, far from it, but it is a dominant archetype. There are 16 sol lands for them after all, and Cavern of Souls to deal with forces.

>>46357246
The meme here is your deck

>>46357246
>"just because a deck is heavily played means it's good, goyz!"
>RDW

>>46357291
I know you're mad that your precious format you invested $1000 in is getting fucked in the ass by draft chaff, but Eldrazi is here to stay. Who knows, maybe you could buy yourself a cheap way into Legacy and stop pretending you weren't playing this meme format because you can't afford duals but still want to feel eternal.

>>46357267
But is not tier 1
All tier 1 deck have at least a way to deal with them, being miracles the one that struggles the most, but i won't say that legacy have to sorry about them. At most they are a better version of goblins

>>46357365
>buying real duals and not the fake deal
Who invested 1000 on Legacy? Not me

>>46357387
1st at 6th Legacy God Challenger Finals
2nd at SCG Philly (with the most decks in top 32 and top 8)
I don't know what else to tell you Anon, the facts are here. People are playing Eldrazi more and more, and winning. It's not like the Legacy guys are in denial or whatever, on the contrary they welcome any diversity and change to their meta. It's not a theoretical matter or anything: Eldrazi is here, and it's winning games.

>>46337833
>What the deck needs is a way to really beat RIP
Counterspells are your only option because Rest in Peace was a design mistake. Completely removing an entire zone from the game should not exist, let alone exist on a 2 mana card.

Played a few games with thing in the ice. Basically a ur delver shell without the delver and a few changes. Mutagenic growth, no blood moon, only haste creatures and snap. Works okay, good synergy with snap and stormchaser/swiftspear.

>>46356470
It's pretty easy to make an eldrazi deck that would beat the vast majority of the field there. The only decks that are good against it are all in red and dark depths decks.

>>46357558

You still have Ray and 1 mana selective discard. Not like anything's stopping you from slow-rolling your dredge vs RIP, or flashbacking a Ray in response to RIP's ETB trigger even though it still exiles your GY.

That said, true RIP is just too potent of a card

>>46357558
>Rest in Peace was a design mistake
Graveyard decks were a design mistake. The graveyard is not supposed to be a second hand. RiP fixes that mistake.

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>>46357558
No its cool because dredge is evil. using the graveyard is unintuitive and confuses new players and we can't have any of that shit

>>46357835
It's sad that interesting cards and mechanics are now too confusing for print.

>>46357818
>The graveyard is not supposed to be a second hand.
That is literally what the dredge mechanic was intended to do. It just wasn't intended to be a second battlefield.

>>46357912
Dredge was a mistake.

>>46357934
Go to bed Mark.

>>46357934
Mistakes into miracles.

>>46357934

Now heres an interesting thought. Does R&D hate Dredge because it's a powerful mechanic they didnt test properly?

Or do they hate it because they were stupid enough to believe a Dredge count was a downside (remember this is the set with Glimpse the Unplayable in it), and they refuse to revisit it out of pride for not wanting to admit they botched it?

>>46358270
They hate it because actual power level is evil. We want new people to stay in Standard, Legacy and Modern players are a lost cause.

>>46358270

It was a decent mechanic, just that they didn't think the following cards they printed like Narcomoeba, Bridge from Below and Dread Return worked so well with it. Before those cards were a thing Dredge was a pretty cool way to self mill, but no engine to really break it apart from the few assault loam decks that tried.

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>>46357835

>>46358613
>not having the cards be your favorite win-con

>>46358613
>yes...yes... purge your body and mind of 2 mana counterspells, 1 mana dorks, 2 mana spot removal, 4 mana wrath... These thoughts are impure in the glorious new world order

>>46358270
Is just stupid: R&D only cares for standard, so if they printed good cards with dredge/storm with low support or good hate, then standard babies should not cry and eternalfags will get good things. good is the chance that it ends like eldrazi, but is better to get trough the danger than doing nothing

>>46356865
>Sphinx Rev
>based

yeah tapping out for a 6 mana draw 3 gain 3 life is so good

>>46358553
>apart from the few assault loam decks that tried.
You make it sound like they weren't succeeding, loam decks dominated extended for a while. There were also ichorid decks with psychatog before bridge was printed.

>>46358270

Both. Even in limited, dredge was strong, especially the mono-color cunts. I distinctly remember most of the dredge cards being strong picks. Golgari Brownscale was one, that nigga was cray back in the day. It says something about the mechanic when 12/13 cards saw play in some format and many still see play 11 years later.

It's a mechanic that really just grows stronger and stronger as the game gets older. They didn't test with it beyond "this might be a reanimator/flashback engine, oh well." They didn't test it with Narco, Bridge and Dread DESPITE IT BEING IN STANDARD TOGETHER. The block right after Ravnica and they didn't bother to see how the previous block's mechanics interacted with the cards. They didn't bother to test to see if it broke cards like Ichorid, Deep Anal, or Therapy in eternal formats. They just didn't care.

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>>46358825
Actually, I think they did care, and they intentionally went YEAH LET'S DO THIS before realizing that yes, Narco+Bridge+Dread+Dredge Engine = we fucked up.

Also I'm pretty sure the card they played was Cephalid Coliseum, not Anal.

>>46352501
Proof positive that /tg/ is shit at magic, when he doesn't even know how the deck operates on a fundamental level.

>>46358825
>12/13 cards saw play in some format and many still see play 11 years later.
Every single card with dredge has seen some constructed play.

>>46358872
What's the card?

>>46359023
altered ego

>>46359032
That doesn't seem very good.

>>46358954
Please enlighten us, top shitposter

>>46357012
Prices on google range from like 3 dollars to like 60 dollars.

>>46357140
>spending 100 dollars on a card
No.

>>46359073
It's a cool card. Creature only Clever Impersonator that can scale.
Not constructed viable but it's neat. Like all simic cards they print.

>>46360179
You're obviously an idiot so please just leave

>>46360179
>spending 100 dollars on a card
So you wouldn't pay $100 for a mint Tarmogoyf?

>>46360179
Thinking $100 is alot of money for a hobby

Get a job and stop being such a fucking leech i fucking hate self loathing victims like yourself, contribute to society or go die in a hole

>>46361584
I contibute to society
Chinese society

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>>46361610
Unfortunately the proxies I ordered from the Chinese this past month were not as good as the ones I got a year and a half ago.

Something happened to either the printer or the guy who meticulously photo-shopped each card from scratch. Either way, the replacement is not up to snuff.

You can tell cards are fake just by holding them now. The old ones you needed a hand-lens.

I'm crying over nothing. I have over $20,000 worth of cards that I bought for $250. I'm just crying like a bitch because I got extremely sub-par proxies for $50. All the people who missed the golden month of proxies a year ago missed out.

>>46362263
Shit, really? A bud of mine received perfect ones about a year ago (played at PTQs without anyone noticing), and I was about to buy an entire fake Jund deck from the same seller.

>>46362364
The sellers all source their preset 56-card sets from the same source. If you shop around you will see the lists offered by different sellers are the same. That source had the good stuff a year ago. Now, that source is not as good anymore.

The custom sets where you pick each card were not as good. These custom sets used card images and just printed them, the resolution of these images was poor. These sets were not great then and not great now.

If by some fucking fluke your friend's seller is still around and not shutdown by Wizards I would give them a shot - if they're selling preset 56-card sets. I'm assuming you mean to purchase 4 sets of the 56-card Modern set.

If you're planning on purchasing the custom sets where you pick each card, I personally haven't had good quality from those. It's passable from across the table but if you're actually holding the card and looking at it it's very obvious they're fake.

>>46361584
I've got other bills to pay lad, I'm not dropping 100 dollars on 1 card.

4 of them maybe.

tfw wageslave

>>46362263
The proxies are good enough doublesleeved. At least the majority. Now the quality difference depends if the primer was runing with good ink or low in ink i didn't bought a year ago but modern lands and almost all cards are good to play even on major events. The bad ones are the black cards, but again, doublesleeved and upwards there are very passabl

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>mfw eldrazi cards are not dropping in value enough for me to pick up sets between the banning and the gp after where they just replaced something else for eye and still dominate and the prices spike again

>>46337741
>cards that replace themselves don't generate card advantage

Keep telling yourself this, retard

>>46359066
>>46359066

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