Horus Heresy General

Seekers are life! They're also death, your favorite unit's death!

First for Justaerin are OP.

but not really

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Third for Warmaster ain't shit.

>>46279270
just a bit

>>46279305
What armor Mark is that? Mk4?

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>>46279305
Drop the sword Saul, you're gonna hurt yourself!.

Why do we need so many of these? These threads devolve into shit faster then anything else on this board. People post lists that no-one cares about, sperg out over their favourite primarch/legion and fight over them, turning the Horus Heresy into a general his killed any good discussion about it. Hell, no-one has said a single word about the new HH Novel, Eye of Terra, instead sprouting the same unfunny shit and ignoring that there's actually a fucking story out furthering the whole fucking setting.

This disgusts me.

>>46279386
>If you don't hover over the file name it just reads "Sigismund_Emperor's-Bitch"
I like you buddy.

>>46279508
>new novel
Why would we care about something from this milked out series?

>>46279508
>Hell, no-one has said a single word about the new HH Novel
Probably because everyone who works for black library is illiterate.

>>46279783

Because you collect models and play in this milked-out series?

>>46279879
I'm in for the fluff.

>>46279619
He kinda is, after Dorn disowned him

>>46279508
guy haley my son..

So how viable would a Shattered Legion force of Salamanders and White Scars be? Two favorite legions.

Basic premise is the mongolians offset the shitty speed of the Sallies, but that's about as much thought as I've put into it. Also, if all else fails I can roll them as Sagyar Mazan and just play balls to the wall and lose all my dudes.

>>46279508
>no-one has said a single word about the new HH Novel
Is this supposed to be a bad thing?

>>46279508
>Implying we need a reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St8iEpkcDJc

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>>46279861
>Black library
>Illiterate
mfw

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>>46279508
>ignoring that there's actually a fucking story out furthering the whole fucking setting.
People love the story though. The good version at least.

>>46279270
Point costs when?

>>46280226
yeah, i only read books that are canon.

>>46280236
3-4 weeks ago.
And also last thread....

How would you guys set up a cheap saboteur? Right now I'm leaning towards Combi-melta, Power Dagger, Artificer Armor, and Refractor Field. That's like 120 points, but seems a bit much for a Marbo equivalent.

>>46279508
>Hell, no-one has said a single word about the new HH Novel, Eye of Terra,
Well, go on.

I for one expect it to be shit, so I don't plan on reading it.

>>46280261
there there Laurie

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>>46279171
>Tea time with garro
Mah nigga

>>46280357
Ditch everything that isn't a combi-melta, because he's going to die when he arrives, 2+/5++ or not. His only defense is being out of LoS.

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Posting for megadakka edition

>>46279171
Can some one post the latest knights errant generator picture?

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>>46280648
Here you go.

>>46280698
Thanks!!

>>46280737
You're welcome. Now go roll yourself up a KE, and may the Man Emperor have mercy on your results.

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Let's talk about the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus for a minute. Specifically their language. What is the real world equivalent of Chthonian?

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Using this guy as a Blackshield Chimerae Reaver Lord.
Yes, or should I go die?

>>46281164
go and die

>>46280698
>Sons of Horus
>Veteran
>46% sane
>A True Champion of the Legion
>Close Combat
>Tartaros Armour
>No Problems 90% of the time
>Legion Champion
>Psyker
>Gamma
>Level 4
>Pyromancy

So an extremely powerful psyker champion of the Sons of Horus who likes to turn into a suit of flaming terminator armour and hack the enemy apart. Neat.

Also probably should just ditch chart number 10, it takes up a tone of space and is made redundant by chart 11 anyway (a Beta psyker with ML 1 or Iota psyker with ML 4 don't make much sense either).

Also it is weird how little freedom FW gives you in making Knights Errant.

>>46281164
Just make sure you at least give him pariah armor, because I don't see him getting a save vs an autocannon shot.

>>46281164
I like it

>>46281253
>Also probably should just ditch chart number 10, it takes up a tone of space and is made redundant by chart 11 anyway (a Beta psyker with ML 1 or Iota psyker with ML 4 don't make much sense either).
You can be strong but unskilled and vice versa.

>>46281335
Pariah armor rules make no sense to me. Is the save reduced to 5+ if the gun is >S5 or is it reduced to 5+ if the gun is >S5 and also has better AP than 3? If so, isn't that a superfluous statement?

Or do I keep the 3+ if the model gets shot with something S6 or higher as long as the AP is worse than 3?

>>46281253
You only roll on chart 11 if you roll a 20 on chart 10 first. So I don't understand how it's redundant.

Also mastery level doesn't imply strength, only control over your abilities. Strength is derived from the letter rating on chart 11.

>>46281447
If you get hit with S6 or higher you are down to 5+.

It makes a useless caveat saying unless the AP was low enough to bypass the armor normally. So if it's ≥S6 ≤AP3 you don't drop to a 5+ because you get hit anyway.

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>Play IW, want only best MkIII everywhere
>Mfw my FW order came in today and the Thudd Gun crews and Medusa Crews are Mk4
I'm real fucking decimated

Anyone want to make a sector? Most projects as of late revolve around Warpstorms, Hua Yuan, Sunken Angels, these guys, Bolts of Hammerwatch, one other thing...

Might be cool, ya know

>>46281455
>You only roll on chart 11 if you roll a 20 on chart 10 first.
lrn to Roman numerals
>IX is 9
>X is 10
>XI is 11
Chart 9 is the roll to see if they have any psychic potential, chart 10 is what their level is, and 11 is their mastery level.

>>46281397
Not to that extent. A beta being ML 1 makes some sense if they aren't trained, but being a weak psyker physically limits what you are capable of, so a very weak psyker (like an iota) is probably literally incapable of doing ML 4 stuff. Saying that skill and training makes one better is like saying skill and training makes one a better runner, it is true but all the training in the world can't get you to the regular olympics if you are 4 feet tall with stumpy legs.

>>46281851
Well what if the Psyker prefers to just use one discipline?

>>46281726
should have gotten the laser destroyer, fampai

>>46281851
I wasn't looking at the chart. I was just responding with the numbers the guy who didn't understand the chart used. I guess I'm retarded too.

>>46281726

Email Forgeworld about it. If they messed up your order, you can likely get an MK. III crew for free and keep the MK. IV you already got.

>>46281851
The skill doesn't make him more powerful it gives him more control/ smaller chance to perils. How is this hard to understand?

Being a skilled driver doesn't make your car faster either, it just makes you less likely to crash. Same thing here.

>>46281040

I haven't seen any written examples of Cthonian, and the 'gang glyphs' we see inscribed on their armour don't seem indicative of any kind of alphabet as much as they're random scribbles.

The Word Bearers' Colchisian, on the other hand, has the flavour of a mix of Coptic and Semitic. You *could* stretch that to the Cthonians too, since names like Horus and Abaddon are literally Egyptian/Coptic and Hebrew.

>>46281040
Obviously it's ebonics.

>>46281164
I like this idea.

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>>46282066
Abaddon and the other Justaerian have Cthonian runes for determination and good fortune inscribed on their teeth and I think Talon of Horus mentioned something about Planet Killer having something Cthonian inscribed on it.
>>46282149
I was looking for a serious answer.

>>46281726

Why does he wear the mask?

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>>46282526
He's a pretty big guy.
>>46281970
It literally only comes with Mk4 Armor on the website.

>>46282217
>Talon of Horus mentioned something about Planet Killer having something Cthonian inscribed on it.

You mean Vengeful Spirit, right? Talon of Horus was mostly set before the First Black Crusade.

>>46282566
Just because the Heresy is over doesn't mean the Black Legion stopped speaking Cthonian

>>46282566
Probably was that. I guess I could go with Egyptian/Coptic and Hebrew mixed with Space Latin as Cthonian.

>>46282217
>I was looking for a serious answer.
It's a planet full of violent roving gangs warring it out over turf and perceived insult in the crumbling ruins of once rich cities. They totally speak ebonics.

Or you just go full Hokuto, admit Horus is Space Raoh, and they speak Space-Japanese.

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Any good homemade Custodes rules out there?

How would you make the Custode profile and special rules? Should they be 2 wounds a piece?

Equipment wise they should have the fancy power-bolter halberds (+1 Strength, power weapon AP3, bolter) and Artificer Armour.

>>46281164
This idea, I like it!

>>46282624
I am just saying that there was no Planet Killer featured in the novel, you pillock.

The Vengeful Spirit and Khayon's ship were the only ships of note.

>>46283201
If Custodes aren't AP2 it's gonna be sad

>>46283137
>Or you just go full Hokuto, admit Horus is Space Raoh, and they speak Space-Japanese.
I still say he started out as a mobster then became Space Raoh. You got to start out somewhere.

>>46283271
I hope they will, but I don't think so.

Looking to scratch build a techmarine, how useful are they in a sons of horus army?

>>46283922
Depends how many dreads and vehicles you run, since the tech-m can repair them.

>>46283953
Not many. Going over the rules and I don't have the bits to make a conversion beamer sor build it into a bad ass forge lord so I think I'm going to shelve this now or just scratch build one for looks and have it sit on the shelf

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>>46281040
so am i just drunk or is that a 4 on his shoulder pad? possibly leaning towards 14....?!?!

>>46284763
it's on his left shoulder (Luna Wolves legion insignia on the right) so it's likely a squad or company marking

>>46284793
switch left/right, apparently I'm the drunk one

>>46283201
think 30k Grey Knight Paladins with bumped up WS, Initiative and price

Hi guys, i saw on a shitty forum people complaining about IW not having decent HQs anymore since they FAQd the artillery consul not to be taken as a compulsory HQ. As they thought of the best substitute nobody mentioned the psyker, does the 30k psyker suck?

>>46284931
IW don't have a psyker character last I knew, are you confusing them with Crysos from the Death Guard? Also they're retards as both Kyr Vhalen and Golg are decent HQs so long as you're not a flaming idiot.

>>46283245
the planet killer got a mention as having a name in cthonian later

>>46285019
No ,i meant the generic consul psyker, not a named character. Also kyr is pretty good,but 200 points cost is problematic for low points armies.

>>46285137
oh. then no, they're not that hot. also, they can't be a compulsory HQ either

>>46285201
Damn i missed the FAQ,thank you

>>46283201
Personally I would have Custodes S/T5

>>46281040
Pseudo Latin, what with Lupercal meaning brother of the wolf

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Question regarding rapier batteries:
Unit entry describes composition as 1 artillery and 2 crew, but the model combines the gun and a crew member. So what im wondering is, if the entire unit is covered by a blast template is it 2 hits or 3?

>>46283201
Can't wait a few months?

An interesting observation from the new Red Book:

The FAQ gave the Mor Deythan Strike Squad and the Headhunter Kill Team Implacable Advance, the new book leaves the rule off both squads.
So they don't have it now, or the FAQ is still valid? Or what is it?

>>46286092
Newest rules always trump older rules.

>>46286216
Still weird to apply rules to a squad in a FAQ and then leave them off in a rules update.

>>46285809
Who knows. I've been wondering the same, since I had an idea for a rapier conversions that's piloted, so one of the crew would be sitting inside of it, much like the official model has a dude riding on it.

In the old IG HW squad rules you were suppose to imagine a 25mm base beneath both crew members for hits purposes. Maybe make the base so that there's a clear 25mm area beneath the operator (so if it's an urban base, a sewer crate would be beneath the operator) that you can use for blasts and templates to determine how many models were hit. For the purpose of hit allocations, since hits are directed at the closest model and the operator is technically "inside" the artillery piece, the artillery would take the hits before the operator.

>>46280357
It's not a novel it's an anthology and everything on it has been released in text or audio form

hey guys.
i wanted to start adding some mechanicum stuff to my IH legion, but need a colourscheme for FW near meusa. any ideas?

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>>46286805
See the map attached.
Lucius, Voss and Stygies are all roughly equidistant from Medusa, so you could pick a scheme from either to be honest.

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>>46286805
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Agripinaa
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lucius_(Forgeworld)
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Stygies_VIII

The ones I could find with an known paint scheme.

I would say something with orange would fit in with the black and silver of the Iron Hands.

>>46286998

Mordax Prime is a Forgeworld in the sector right beside Medusa.

>>46286998
Ahh thanks, I think I'll make Lucius my addon as it seems pretty logical that they would be supplied there one their way to Isstvan and potentially fell back to there to regoroup.
my escond part of the army will be the shattered legion of Iron hands with some elements of loyalist legions joining meduson and added escape efforts in their race to Terra.

>>46287129
Not on the Heresy Era map it isn't.

It is listed as a Forgeworld lost to the Orks on the Lexicanum Forgeworld map though, so perhaps a late discovery or colonized in the time between 30k and 40k.

Before I have to order 9 Sammaels anyone know any goof conversions for jetbikes? Not a massive fan of the FW dickbikes desu

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Anyone know if eldar wraithguard tabards would fit on a space marine, or are they too long?

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>>46287232
http://puppetswar.com/product.php?id_product=212
Perhaps an option?
A lot cheaper than a pile of Samuels.

Scibor Miniatures also has 2 different ones, though they're like €31 and €37 each.

>>46287350
Can't use 3rd party since I play in a GW store

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>>46279508

There'd be an Eye of Terra discussion if the book wasn't a damn anthology that contained all previously released stories.

Till then, we post because we can

>>46287232
Just googling "jetbike conversion" gives a bunch of ways to turn the plastic bike into jetbikes of various configurations. There's also this:
http://maxmini.eu/gothic-jetbike-miniature
Which is a bit similar.

I do love the Sammael bike and am very disappointed that FW didn't make them, just those silly jet dildos.

>>46287363
Ah, that's a bit of an issue.
But like >>46287388 said, I did see a fair number of normal bike conversions to Jetbikes. I'd say take a look at it.

As for the Jet Dildos, they were one of the two types shown in the Visions of Heresy books, the other would have looked like the Samuel bike, but they didn't make those for some reason. Perhaps something that's still to come.

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>>46287439
I fucking hope so. Look at that thing. I'm sure it'll be less flashy and probably only come with combi-bolters, but still. I'm not a huge bike fan, but I'd get those type of bikes for sure.

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>>46287490
See image attached. That's basically the other type in the books, so we can only hope.

Why do dark furies look so silly compared to other assault squad variants? Has FW lost their touch?

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>>46287388
There's also pic related and the javelin from Chapterhouse

>>46287348
Probably a bit too long. You'd be better either bitz ordering some of the ones GW makes, or going 3rd party

>>46287388
>>46287439
I've looked at some of the ones online but none really grabbed me which is why I thought I'd ask and see if anyone had found one I missed that I really liked.
Think I'll just go with the Sammels, they look so freakin sweet.

>>46287653
I think they're okay, apart from the sergeant's swiggedy swooty hands.

i wish we had solid rumors about whats going to be in the next BaC type box...

>>46287788
>>46287653
Thankfully the FW package comes with a full set of 5 normal pairs of lightning claws, and since Raven's Talons are now on the entire squad by default, you can leave the huge claws off, since there won't be an equipment difference.

>>46286092
I'd say the FAQ. Remember that it takes a while to print these books, its entirely possible they caught that after sending it to the printers.

>>46286253
Not a terrible idea, though it should be 32mm in this case, since that's the new size for marines.

>>46286998
Wait, since when is Isstvan that north?
I thought it was in Ultima Segmentum

>>46286998
That makes it seem like the maelstrom is bigger than the eye of terror.

>>46288191
That's not the maelstrom though, that's the galactic center

>>46286998
>Neverlight
Did the RG name that planet?

>>46287129
I think you mean Mor Dakka Prime :^). I know it doesn't happen until M41 but that rename is one of my favorite pieces of Ork fluff.

>>46288191
Look for the darker lines near Sarum and Davin, that's the Maelstrom, the bright white/yellow blob is the Galactic Core. The Eye of Terror is considerably larger.

>>46288167
It's the official map from the FW books, I assume it's pretty accurate.

>>46288224
No idea, the only info available is that a battle between Eldar and the Deathguard took place there.

>>46288299
>Eldar and D Guard
I should have second guessed that.

>>46288218
>>46288299
Ah, right. My bad.

>>46287920
You can't tell me what to do, you're not my real dad! Besides, I did it before 32mm was a thing. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

What storage options do y'all use for your legions? Most my 40k stuff is KR or random other boxes. What company did you choose for your legions and why? I am Night Lords if that makes a difference.

>>46288979
Battlefoam because I like their cases the best. Everything gets left in it's foam trays in boxes when it's not in my case for gaming, that way I can just grab the trays and throw them in my bag when I change my army.

Thousand Sons: White or Gold rims?

>>46289207
Gold. Easier to paint and makes them look regal, as well as calling forward to their 40k version.

Retardedrulesanon is back for more: the rites od war entry is confusing the fuck out of me, but i think i got it. An army is composed of one or more detachements from the same legion or codex and can get an allied detachement which isn' considered part of the army. Is this true or does army mean "all your 2000 points"?

My guys time,

So I'm going to be doing a HH narritive campaign set during the wars in Ultramar during the Shadow Crusade, starting with a single world and the praetors of our fleets and slowly working up to a confrontation worthy of our primarchs.

As such we all need custom Praetors for our legions, no named characters until much later.

We so far have an Ultramarine, Iron Hands/Salamander Shattered Legion, Word Bearers, and my own World Eaters, so it will fit well enough.

But I'm crafting my dude with the idea of making a rival for the Ultramarine player, who plays them in 40k and HH. He usually runs Marneus Calgar in any 40k game over 1500pts as its his favorite model and he has a really nicely painted one. However I looked up the lore and learned this from the Lexicanium wiki:

The Gauntlets of Ultramar are an ancient pair of master-crafted Power Fists, accompanied by a set of ornate shoulder plates (compatible with both Artificer Power Armour and Terminator Armour) and a set of built-in Bolters that are as deadly as a Storm Bolter. The true origins of the Gauntlets are unknown; all that is known about these relics is that they were taken back from a fell Champion of Chaos by the Primarch Roboute Guilliman after the Gamalia Reclusiam Massacre, who afterwards often used them in combat.

Seeing as I cannot find anything else on them I had the planet for the campaign named Gamalia, bit ordered the Gauntlets from the Calgar model, and am modeling a WE Praetor with the Gauntlets, changing the heralry to match my dude.

Anyone have any good ideas for name or lore to make this guy kickass? My goal is to keep him alive and active until the final Apoc game where I send him against Gulliman to almost certainly die, but it'll be a fun story.

>>46289598
Your wording is a little weird, but I think I get it. So, FW tends to use army and primary detachment interchangeably, possibly because of when HH started. That said, with Rites it's a lot simpler, unless the specific Rite says otherwise Rites only affect the primary detachment.

>>46289598
I'm having some serious trouble parsing your question. Maybe it's just because I just woke up...

There's a rule in LA:CAL that says "you may not take an additional primary detachment in games over 2,000 points unless specified by the particular mission".

>>46289029
That's why I like KR. Everything is in those cardboard boxes which stack nicely in the closet, when I need to go I grab the ones I want and throw them in a bag

>>46289841
Hmm, I seem to remember Guilliman using them on Nuceria.
But anyhow, you can fluff your guy out by having him kill the Calgar stand in(a close friend from before the heresy) and claiming his gauntlets as a trophy

>>46289841
That's fantastic. It really makes me wish I had a 30k community around here.

Crunchwise how are you going to represent that?

>>46289841
Sigismund was away with the WE for a lot of the Crusade, maybe this is the guy he swapped with - he picked up the Fists liking of shooting people and master crafted power fists and decided to combine them, so he could punch while he shoots and shoot while he punches.

Then he goes back to the WE and joins the Shadow Crusade, wrecking Ultramarine planets until Bobby G smacks his shit in at Gamalia

So Quad Launchers with 'Shell Shock' mean Pinning tests are taken at -1 Ld, but Quad Launchers don't actually cause Pinning for some reason. So the rule is basically useless?

>>46290454
Shell shock causes a pinning test on -1Ld, It does not modify future pinning tests.

>>46288979
I use KR for everything I love the system.

>>46279508
>Doesn't know Eye of Terra is just an anthology

Ironic that you're complaining about no one posting new content, but you want us to talk about a book that has nothing new in it.

>>46286092
Until they update this listing to show Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Legiones, they don't have Implacable Advance unfortunately. I hate when FW fucks up, especially with their HH stuff.

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>>46290900
Forgot to add the list.

We always ask what happens when 30k marines get warped into 40k due to the Warp, but what happens when it's the other way around? Do the 40k hop on their papa's lap?
>Dad, I purged five Xeno races yesterday! Do you love me?!
>Er...Of course I do....
>Call me Calgar.

>>46290992
They get bullied by the Terran marines for not even being able to spit acid or enter suspended animation anymore.

>>46290915
I wish they'd release a red book for cults/militia and solar auxilia

I want to run a Army of Dark Compliance without having to buy 3-4 books

>>46291065
They will.

>>46291055
That's only the Fists and RG.

>>46291065
I wish FW wrote the Imperial Guard codex
>You will never have actual doctrines again

>>46291065
The Imperialis Crusade red book is scheduled for this year.

>>46291065
Solar Auxilia is hilarious
>Str6 gunline
>AV 14 tanks as fast attack and heavy support
>Charonite Ogryn
Many flyers have been shot down by a tercio of my Solar Auxilia shooting them with blast chargers.

Cults are also pretty nice for power armour spam, massive blobs and surprisingly cost efficient ogryn.

WOOO!

my BaC finally arrived today at my FLGS, only 2 months after I ordered it, don't know what happened but it's here now.

now I just need to decide how to assemble those tactical squads..

>>46291065
>>46291420

I just want Militia levies to have platoons like...pretty much every other mortal human army in 30k and 40k.

I mean, they have Platoon Command Squads as HQs, but can only take a unit of 20 militia per troop slot? How is it that the Solar Auxilia, the *elite* of the Imperial Army, can be vastly blobbier than the Militia and even Inducted Levies?

>>46291506

The only missed opportunity I think was not having an option to arm regular infantry squads with bolters

I would have done a gene crafted/feral warriors gun clan and just fielded huge blobs of buff sweaty fighty dudes with huge guns so fast

>>46291506
How do you run yours? Please inspireme with tall tales of games and funky lists. Why not start with those shot down fliers?

>>46291604
Because fuck you, that's why.

Personally, I love it how the Gorgon (capacity 40) is available as a transport only for Grenadiers and Infantry squads, which max out at 20. And any extra you want to stick in there has to be loaded in during gameplay. No Gorgon for levies, no FOC slot Gorgons for general use.

>>46289207
I like White, the gold makes them look too much like 40k World Eaters

>>46291575
>now I just need to decide how to assemble those tactical squads..
Tctically?

We really need to get someone to record the fluff sections of the HH rule books as a kind of audio book

Does anyone have a grandfather that sounds like Max von Sydow and would be down?

>>46279305
All I want is a Saul Tarvitz FW model and I'll be happy.

>>46291700

Let's not forget Recon units having the option of replacing their 'shotguns' with shotguns for 10 points, or the writing on rogue psykers making it sound like you can get them for free.

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>>46291304
We can remember, anon, we can remember.

>tfw I liked IG 3.5 far more than IG 5 despite the later being a far stronger codex

>>46291826
>Does anyone have a grandfather that sounds like Max von Sydow and would be down?
>Not finding a Leonard Nimoy sound alike
I close captioned a couple of his old documentaries, it was one of the few high points of the job.

>>46291639
Full Auxilia Command Section w/ Plasma Guns: 130 Points
Leman Russ Vanquisher w/ Lascannon, Ceramite, and Tank Commander: 260 Points

6 Medicae: 105 Points

4x Lasrifle Section w/ Blast Chargers: 500 Points
2x Flamer Section: 250

2x Leman Russ Vanquishers w/ Lascannons and Ceramite: 410 Points

Valdor w/ Lascannons and Ceramite: 330 Points

Generally just throw extra points into hunter-killer missiles or whatever. Model wise I actually run Leman Russ tanks converted from 1/35 scale Renault R35 tanks because the Russ is ugly, the auxilia dudes are actually just old inquisitorial storm troopers that I use as grenadiers in my guard army and whatever I could snatch off ebay.

As for its performance, it has a decent bit of staying power and utterly rapes heavy tanks (unless the enemy spams like 6 AV 14 vehicles or something) with its three vanquisher cannons and its neutron laser. Light vehicles are similarly fucked but I rely on my blast chargers primarily for AA which they do well enough. The Achilles heel of this list is really terminators and MEQ blobs as I lack any AP 3 whatsoever and with the exception of 2 plasma guns my only AP 2 is lascannons and vanquisher cannons. Still I can make due against a couple squads of terminators generally by spamming Str 6 fire and I can generally handle a lone blob of marines, but any more than that and I am simply overwhelmed.

Might switch the flamer sections for lasrifle sections eventually but I find them useful as a buffer against melee armies.

>>46292035
Same here, and the doctrines honestly weren't even that diverse, but they still allowed for some uniqueness. The last couple of codices have just been generic guardsman spam and mech vets.

>>46291575
You've got 30 marines; 3 of each missile launcher, heavy bolter, plasma gun, melta gun, flamer, bolt pistol, plasma pistol, power sword, and chainsword; 6 power fists with the attachments for 3 lightning claws; plus some other shit. Choose wisely, or magnetize.

I wish there was right arm power fist, Ive been itching to make a dual chainfist motherfucker for some time but all I have is 10 left arm power fists. I got so many of them I might just make a power fist wielding command squad just for the fuck of it.

>>46292447
They allowed you to really make the army your own. Which in an army as model heavy as Guard is very important.

>>46292551
>I wish there was right arm power fist
There's one on the old Assault Marine sprue, one on the Death Company sprue, and one on the Sanguinary Guard sprue.

There really need to be more right hand fists.

>>46289924
>>46289993
I know i have problems with wording even irl, my question was regarding the neaning of the word "army", you answered ,thank you

>>46291826
There was one guy I knew of that was always ready to voice acting for /tg/. But the Space Marine voice actor hasn't been seen since the last chapter master thread he posted in.

>>46292839
I'm trying to choose a head for Sigismund and I'd appreciate any input.

>>46292865
Also leaning towards Templar Brethren helmet. Sigismund without the Laurels of Victory feels like he's missing something.

>>46289219
>>46291743

Where is the hivemind when it's actually needed

>>46292865
id go bottom left, hes gotta have the laurels.

its stupid they didnt just give him a helmet option when every pic we have of him is helmeted

>>46292839
Bottom-left, without a single doubt.

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>>46292551
>I wish there was right arm power fist

Sanguinary Guard has one.

>>46292397

No criticism about the list, but I'd be careful with your formatting. From the way you've written it you make it look like the Tank Commander's Russ is a HQ slot.
The Russ still takes a Heavy/Fast slot, the Commander only applies a buff that also costs a HQ.

So your Tank Commander needs both a HQ and a Heavy slot to exist. In this case it makes no difference, but it can cause trouble in the future when you start running out of FOC slots.

To everyone who paints in metallic + clear colors, how do you add wear and tear?

Straight up silver, or a dark color + silver like on regular models?

>>46293023
>>46293007
>>46292960
Cheers.

>>46292551
I've just discovered there's a right-handed Solarite Gauntlet in the Templar Brethren kit. It's basically just a fancy Power Fist.

>>46293144
I just use this condensed formatting for 4chan anyway. My actual formatting is long as hell, like

**Troops**
Lasrifle Section: Base Cost
>Upgrade: cost
>Upgrade:cost
>Transport:cost
>>Transport Upgrade:cost
total cost

In my actual formatting I split up the commander and tank. Also, just a note all of my Leman Russ tanks are fast attack. Certain russ variants are fast attack and others are heavy support for solar auxilia.

>>46279171
As far as I can tell there's 3 ways to include robutts in a (non-Iron Warriors/Hands) legion force - Forge Lord w/ Cortex Controller, Praevian, and Admech Allies.

Which is the better way to go, or does it usually depend on a lot of other things as well?

>>46293524
This purely me talking out my ass because I'm still assembling my first 3000 points of Space Marines, but I've been reading into Ad Mech because I don't want to paint tons of infantry (and they're pretty cool besides). Help me expand this list:

Praevin Pros:
+ Robots don't take up one of the precious Heavy Support Force Org slots.
+ Praevin joins their unit and benefits from their disgusting T score like a Magos Dominus

Praevin Cons
- Limited number of robots (1 maniple)
- Limited type of robots (Castellax or Vorax)
- Magos Dominus on Abeyant tend to have better options and survivability

>>46293524

Depends what type of robutt you want.

1. Forge-Lord: Gets you Castellax or Thallax as a Heavy.
FL is a rock-solid HQ in his own right so this one can almost be considered 'free'. It takes up a potentially-very valuable HS though and your robots are plain, without any extra toys.
Best bet if you just wanted a squad without investing much into them.

2. Praevian: Gets you a bodyguard of upgraded Vorax or Castellax.
Very Legion-dependant IMO, Raven Guard or Emperors Children get some horrific output from this. The good bit is that it only needs a HQ slot, the bad is that it cannot be compulsory.
Probably my favourite, but Legion-dependant.

3. Allied Mechanicum: Whole book obviously
Demands investment from the HQ but you can take anything you want, and you get Cybertheurgy. Steals away your Allies though.
I'm not such a fan because you only really gain access to Ursarax, Domitar or Thallax. I'd consider the Castellax and Vorax to be better without taking an Ally slot that can be better invested on Troops. That said,, if you didn't want Allies anyway then you get the widest variety and best buffs here.

4. Brothers of Iron Rite
It's basically the exact same story as the Forge Lord, except that you get way more of them and they don't take your useful HS slots. Costs you a MotL though.
If you were taking a Praetor anyway and didn't mind the Consul hit, it gets you more robutt per point. But you spend more on your HQ slots and the only real win is that you can take multiple units.

>>46293706
>Praevin Cons
>- Limited number of robots (1 maniple)

Its two, the praevian has a cortex controller which opens up another maniple of robots as your Heavy Support, you could have 2 praevians for 4 squads of battlebots.

>>46293809
You're right, my bad. I'm just very opposed to taking robots in my Heavy Support slots because I usually need all of them.

>>46292397
Thanks, old stormtroopers rock. I was asking myself how you afforded all those lasrifle sections. I recommend demolisher dracosans with some veletaris due to coolness.

>>46293975
I actually have thought of a demolisher/battle cannon spam list that amounts to several velatris storm sections in dracosans with demolisher cannons as well as some leman russ demolishers and some leman russ battle tanks. Would sure help supplement my current list if I combined this idea with my current list to give me some means of fucking over terminators and MEQs.

>>46291880
You won't be happy with the price and the rekt leviathan base.

>>46294076
I want to go the mechanised route because I really love veletaris and their Martian Ray Guns. Sadly one dracosan and veletaris squad cost about 150 euro-bucks.

>>46293756
>I'm not such a fan because you only really gain access to Ursarax, Domitar or Thallax
Don't forget the Thanatar! That's the biggest thing you'd be getting out of Mechanicum allies that you can't get otherwise. Also, you can take Thallax in a Legion list as optional heavy support already - it's just... kind of stupid to do so.

>>46294175
You can always look for recasters. Z is selling Dracosans for 56 bucks and a squad of velatris for 32 bucks last I checked. Check out /r/yoyhammer, they are pretty good about recasters.

Also ebay, although the prices tend to be higher than the guys you have to dig for and email as shady as it is. Haven't ordered in a while but when I last ordered from Chinaman years ago (don't even know the password to his catalogue or his email anymore) his quality was very good, even if the resin was brittle as hell. On the topic of ebay I once bought Elysians whose hands were like backwards or something. Not sure how to describe it and not sure how it is possible but it gave me a headache until I realized what was actually wrong with the hands.

>>46294323
Miranda Irene and Sylvia White both have websites that keep current buying info available, and they are better quality.
If you already have Z you can save enough over the cost of an army to replace the miscasts, but it's not worth the stress compared the the better softer options imo.

>>46294323
Nah Z's stuff sucks dog cock and the really good recasters no one is willing to share their info publically because the recasters have told their clients specifically not to.

>>46293706
>>46293756
Thanks.

I don't think I'd want to go whole hog on them, so I think Praevian would be the way to go.

Admech allies would give the best range, and if I decide to make an admech force at some point it'd be an option (they are indeed cool as shit), but moderation and wanting "Legion" automata makes the non-allied methods seem cooler (also the other allies are cool too)

I'm leaning more towards vorax - partly because some scouting predator-bots seems really cool, partly just for the models.
And having a Fast Attack unit that doesn't eat an FA slot is neat.

>>46294323
Thanks for the advice, but it would feel shot to only save 20 euros while keeping FW from recieving money.

>>46292035

I still own Guard 3.5. It was my first Codex and I treasure it greatly.

>>46295070

>thinking of my Daemonhunters codex
>go reread it
>still as fucking awesome as it was when I was 13

The art, the fluff, God they don't make em like they used to

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2500pts Word Bearers without deamons.
My area has no flyers, hence why I don't run AA. We have 2 Smurfs, 1 ImpFists, 1 Iron Hands (Power Gamer), 1 Iron Warriors, 2 World Eaters and 1 guy getting into Mechanicum. No Primarchs here yet. Looking for a pretty balanced list.

HQ-310
175: Zardu Layak
135: Legion Centurion - Chaplain, Burning Lore, Artificer Armour, Retractor Field, Crozius Arcanum - Power Sword

ELITES-555
95: Apothecary 2x, Augury Scanner 1x
60: Legion Rapier Weapons Battery 1x, Quad Mortar 1x
400: Gal Vorbak 10x (+5), Power Mace 2x, Martyr with Artificer Armour, Lightning Claws

TROOPS-965
315: Legion Tactical Squad 20x (+10), 20x +1CCW, Sergeant with Artificer Armour and Power Fist
315: Legion Tactical Squad 20x (+10), 20x +1CCW, Sergeant with Artificer Armour and Power Fist
335: Ashen Circle 10x (+5), Power Axe 2x, Iconoclast with Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Phosphex Bomb, 1x, Dark Channeling

HEAVY SUPPORT-670
175: Legion Sicaran Battle Tank, Sponson Lascannons
155: Legion Artillery - Medusa
340: Legion Spartan Assault Tank, Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shield

Any good?

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So yesterday I was debating whether I should go Blood Angels or World Eaters. You all put up wonderful arguments, but then somebody mentioned this badass motherfucker.

Nassir Amit: The Flesh Tearer.

This got me itching for a Flesh Tearers army. So /tg/, what did 30k Flesh Tearers look like?

>>46296532
No real idea. Maybe just go with their volour scheme on your dudes.After all there were very diverse csmpaign markings.

>>46295105
Chaos 3.5 and Imp 3.5 were mine.

>>46296532
Like Blood Angels, maybe with a unique logo on a pauldron.
I really dont think they'd look that different

>>46296532

If 30k Black Templars are any indication, they are just reverse color schemes.

E.g. black with red shoulders and helmet.

>>46293313

I have been looking for/collecting generic (non Assault Marine/Space Wolf/BA etc) power fists for right hand for a while.

In addition to the Templar Brethren Solarite Gauntlet (which has an awesome getting-ready-for-a-shoryuken pose) there's also the Sternguard Veteran power fist and the Forge World Character Conversion Power Fist which looks really cool, like a Reaver Titan fist and you can see the space marine's power armored hand inside the palm.

>>46287920
>Not a terrible idea, though it should be 32mm in this case, since that's the new size for marines.
What the fuck? When (and why) did this happen?

>>46296532
Probably not that different to regular BA.

If you look at examples of precursor Executioners and Red Talons that FW has done they just have their guy's logo (twin axes for Rann, Talon for Mor) on their armour.

>>46297078

They got sick of feet hanging over the edge so they started giving the new BA plastics 32mm. It looked decent (to them and many players) so they rolled with it. I personally hate it but that's because my 25mm marines all have running legs that don't take up a lot of space.

Necron Overlord also went to 40mm because his model is stepping on a rock and won't fit on 25mm. Necron Warriors are also 32mm.

GW says you can use the 25mm bases or 32mm bases, whatever you like. But new boxes only come with 32mm.

>>46297078

This was like November-December 2014 man get out from that rock.

What's the best way to do greek hero marines? Ultramarines I thought would be all about thay, but they're very Roman and about working as a hole. I want the heroes, the Hercules and Oddysius.

>>46297078
>(and why)
It looks better.
I've always preferred pebbles and flock for basing, so I was all for this change.

>>46297276
>not sure id ESL or auto-correct.
For individual glory you'd go for BAngles or Emperor's Children.

>>46297276
Ultramarines have the greatest heroes, look mat Calgar. They have a natural tendency towards greatness.

>>46297276

A lot of the legions lean more towards Rome than Greece.

I always felt like IW was the most Greek legion, mostly because of Perturabo's name and his armor, but they're really not very Greek at all.

Maybe Emperor's Children, Blood Angels, or Alpha Legion?

>>46297276
WE since they were based on roman gladiators which were based on greek shit

>>46297381

Perturabo and the IWs are VERY Greek. Note:

1) Homeworld is Olympia
- Described as a world of city-states divided by mountains. Remind you of anything?
2) Subtle Hellenistic designs incorporated into their aesthetic (patterns especially)
3) Their human auxiliaries use the same name as some Seleucid (?) military formation

>>46297473

Good, then I got it right. My subconscious is a genius being held hostage by my idiocy.

>>46297473
But do they have great individual heroes or generals? I need my Hercules

>>46297800

Nah their line officers are pretty lame. Most are also force multipliers rather than actual combat heroes.

Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves, Imperial Fists, World Eaters prob have the best heroes.

>>46296532
Blood Angels are described generally as "a sea of red" in some HH stuff, so while many companies probably had different color schemes/honors, they were likely still primarily red. You could likely just do the Flesh Tearers' chapter scheme, albeit with the Blood Angels icon instead of the saw blade. That could be on the right pauldron with the company numeral.

You could also give them the Death Guard treatment with a bunch of scratches and shit, since Nassir left them on his armor.

>>46298788
Can Sons of Horus pull off the Greek badass vibe? They did recruit from multiple places, right?

>>46298923
All legions minus the Wolves did. Kyr isn't a Terran or a Olympian, he's from a world that was enslaved by worm people.

>>46298960
Modern day Earth?

>>46299000
Psychic worm people. I can't remember if this was before Pert or after Pert, but I think it was before Pert.

>>46299000

SILENCE, VERTEBRATE SCUM

>>46297276

Alpha Legion have a lot of Greek motifs and alphabet, stuff like Lernaen terminators. They just act like the CIA.

>>46297276
I thought the Iron Hands were Greek.

>>46297078
>>46297257
Do the new tacticals use the larger bases?

>>46299557

They were released in 2013 with 25mm but should have been repackaged to 32mm by now. If you open a box and it has 25mm it just means it was on the shelf for a while. Blood Angel tacticals were the first box of tacticals to come with 32mm.

>>46297473

The Selucid Veterinary corps to be precise.

Is there any reason why E money stopped at 20 Primarchs and didn't make more after 20 were stolen by Chaos , at the dawn of the great crusade it sure would have been useful to make a couple more as an insurance policy

>>46301243
He only had enough McGuffan to make 20

>>46301243
Supposedly it's too damn hard to make more Primarchs.

>>46301243
He would have if he had enough time, but he had a power vacuum to fill ASAP.

Story time friendos

>Be WE V Mech
>Charge with my 20 man Inductii squad
>100 S5 attacks
>"Oh well at least I have my armor saves"

I have never felt like such a smug bastard, for all the shit WE get about being a weaker legion Surlak gives out hurt like a motherfucker

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Nigh Lords breachers incoming.

>>46301995

That chainglaive is pretty radical. How did you make it?

>>46301685
WE are only bad because they rely on assault in an edition where assaulting sucks shit, random WE scrubs are killier than most veterans from other legions if you can get the charge.

>>46296532
I would wait until the BA book to see if they give us Amit

>>46296532
Vampire World Eaters.

I wonder if Fafnir Rann will ever get rules, I mean they even made his own heraldry part of the legion heraldry.

>>46302734
>I wonder if Fafnir Rann will ever get rules
Forge World love him, I'm sure they'll cover him somehow (maybe not before the Scouring though).

What mark armor do death guard use mostly by the time of the heresy?

Also what color are their weapon platings?

>>46304188
Mk III, with some Mk IV as they slowly replaced their armor with later marks. In the heresy, everyone used every mark due to the need for battlefield repairs.

Can't go wrong with Black for weapon casings.

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>>46304188

Mk III

Black

Pic Related.

Can I play with an IG army as a Solar Auxilla? Or best I can do is run as Millitia?

>>46304291
Maybe if you had stormtroopers to count-as SA. But if they're just shitbird Cadians? Naw.

>>46304188
What color were Raven guard weapon plates? In 40k they have a steel look

>>46304318
Why don't you just download the books in the OP and look?

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>>46304237
What the fuck is a harrowing and why do I see it popping up everywhere?

>>46304377
Also why is my gif. file now a jpg.?

Fucking 4chins.

>>46304377
It's a warhammer term for "military unit fucking about" and is intended to be used to fuck someone without engaging in a straight up fight. Think alpha legion or Raven guard shit

>>46302253
Anvil industry one this time, I usually make my own but got some on the cheap from a trade. Added in the spiked pommel myself to make it a bit more mean

>>46304377
Harrowing is basically "fuck everything ever".

>>46297271
Nah, I'd rather leave my dad/best friend there and later blow it up.

Say I wanted to model an Alpha Legion Centurion with a power fist, and gave him a power dagger for the extra attack (specialist weapons). If I just modeled it with two power fists, would anyone care you think?

>>46304925
Someone would care. Maybe not me, and maybe not you, but someone would.

>>46299351
That's Iron Warriors, anon.

Is loken gonna get a new model/rules, since he eventually became a knight errant?

Also, do we have any word on whether or not certain characters will get models? It makes sense that some won't, like all the random captain's and shit, but there's some really interesting guys who we're missing models for, like Remus or Maun. I'd really like to see some more entries into the character series is all.

>>46304925
Its more the implication that you paid for two powerfists that might rustle some jimmies.

>>46304925
God that reminds me of the time when my Alpha Legion friend "borrowed" some Red Butchers.

He gave them all lightning claws and gave the sergeant a power dagger as well.

He went into combat with an assault squad and issued a challenge. It was with my blood Angels.

My dude had artificer and a power axe. He knew that his weapons would bounce off me so he retracted the lighting claws and pulled out a knife.

He hit with all his attacks, stabbed my sergeant in the balls and then killed two other blokes. With a fucking knife.

We had a laugh at the mental image.

>>46304925

That's the same as having an unmodeled power dagger, so yeah people would care.

>>46296532
In what book is the part where Amit goes to the World Eaters gladiator arenas and gets named "The Flesh Tearer" by Kharn.

>>46305942
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/virtues-of-the-sons-ebook.html

amit was pretty much that weird kid who followed around the cool kids (WE), but they didnt invite him to their parties (heresy) so he REEEEEd and shot up the school, 2bh.

>>46304377
Running around the enemy in circles, while poking him, until he becomes so pissed off he quits. Or dies.

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Bulletin today is new transfer sheets coming (also warhammer fest advertising because FW are doing seminars). They showed a sons of horus one and pic related, which I don't recognise. Anyone know whose heraldry that is?

>>46306161
I think that might be a lion skull with a black mane.

>>46306161
Hmm, Imperial Army perhaps? Or one of the new Knight Houses?

>>46306161
Blackshields

>>46306161
Blackshields. The skeleton imperial aquila is the reavers personal sigil

>>46306161
Any blood raven sheets?

>>46305951
Thanks anon.

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>>46279171
Does anybody feel that all of the paint schemes online for Blood Angels are... I dunno, too bright?

It's always this bright red. I prefer the idea that they have this deeper red (like y'know, blood) on their armour.

Does anybody know a tutorial with a dark red BA paint scheme.

Pic is an example of too bright. Although nice looking to be fair.

>>46306874
To be fair, if you go darker red, you'll end up with Word Bearers. Though if you keep the iconography clear it shouldn't be too much of an issue.

>>46306899
Hang on I'll show you what I mean.

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>>46306899
>>46306909
The only example I could find was a picture. Typical.

Anyway, this is the colour I would like my Bangels to be. Deep, blood red.

Possible do you say? Without coming across as daemon lovers?

>>46299765
Hell, even berzerkers are on 32s now.

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>>46304188

I'm pretty sure they just used whatever they could get, with preference to more heavily armour or environmental protection.

While you see a lot of mk III DG floating around I'm personally quite fond of the mk II for that kind of bulbous, HAZMAT suit look

>>46306946
All I see is a poor simulacrum of a Word Bearer, which is the superior legion with better fluff, characters and playstyle.

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>>46306946
Probably.
Perhaps go with a metallic deep red?
It'll still be brighter and different from the WB or TS scheme, but won't be the bright red you dislike.

>>46306973
Loyalty is its own reward, heretic.

Now off to the eye with you.

>>46306984
Yeah that sounds perfect. Any tips on how to do deep red metallic Blood Angels?

>>46306988
Not really, my best guess would be that you'd start with a darker metal base, perhaps with a zenithal of a lighter metallic to really catch the light, which gives you brighter highs, but darker lows.

Won't be too easy to do though, I'm afraid.

>>46301243
very high risk.
Just 9 of them turning fucked up the whole galaxy, imagine if 18 of them did

>>46307033
I can hear the words "tamiya clear... airbrushes..." echoing at the back of my mind.

Thanks anyway man.

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>>46306874
better?

>>46306969
>bulbous
FAST AND BULBOUS

>>46306988
look up word bearers paint tutorials lol. They have the metallic red.

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>>46307077
Not necessarily Tamiya, the FW clears probably work too, but yeah, airbrush for the most part.

Another way to get rich red (which can be done with a brush, just a fair bit of work).
Vallejo Model Air Turn Signal Red (which is basically pink) and then wash it with a few coats of Army Painter Red Tone wash.

Would be a pain in the ass to highlight, but it will give you a gorgeous rich red metallic.

See attached image for an example. More coats (and perhaps adding some GW Carroburgh Crimson) should darken it up a little bit.

>>46307099
Yes actually that's sexy as fuck.

I even have book six on my shelf. Man I'm an idiot.

I was too focused on that red and white World Eater scheme.

>>46307167
Thanks a bunch bro.

>>46282545
Banestrike rounds?

>>46306874
What I did was prime black, base coat with Khorne red, then sponged on Mephiston Red, to get a mix of the deep red and the bright.

>>46306969
MkII fits them well indeed.

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>>46307981
Forgot my photo.

>>46307981
>>46308005
Shit man that's awesome. Bit too weathered for me, but I like it a lot.

>>46307981
>>46308005
Pretty neat, might use this for my upcoming Thousand Sons squad.

>>46304291
Sure, although I think that Solar Auxilia would look better as storm troopers, scions, or kasrkin than regular guardsmen grunts. Besides the militia army is way more versatile in terms of infantry. They actually have good Ogryn. 35 point Ogryn that can be among other things (could choose up to 2 provences)
+1 attack
+1 more attack
+1 s
+1 t
power armour

I may eventually have to make a cults army focused on Ogryn capable of beating Lorgar in a wrestling match. 40 S/T 6 Ogryn for 1560 points total.

>>46308005

Lovely stuff. Can I ask where you got the Chainsword?

>>46308172
Hard to tell if its the plastic Space Wolf or Chaos one, but it's one of those.

>>46308073
Do you play militia/ cults/ solar Auxillia?

>>46308212
Was the guy earlier in the thread who mentioned playing SA using old metal storm troopers.

>>46308278
Oh brilliant I have been looking for someone like you.

What are Solar Auxillia like? How do they differ from 40k IG? Are they as flexible as the legions?

I literally know nothing about them.

>>46308336

They're like super storm troopers with tau guns. Also enormous tanks. They're what I wish IG was

>>46308385
Are they all BS4 or anything?

>>46308336
They are pretty much a cross between a heavier Imperial Guard and storm troopers.
>All your dudes are 4+
>Your basic lasguns outrange bolters by a good bit
>Velatris are fucking brutal

Besides that you have better access to tanks being able to take certain Leman Russ variants as FA and the rest as HS so up to 18 tanks in a single FoC theoretically speaking. Your basic transport is tough and has a ton of potential damage output if you take the demolisher cannon. So if you want to spam tanks but like short range demolisher cannons you can take tons of them in a list. The downside is that everything is fairly expensive with the exception of troops. Your tanks are expensive, your transports are likely more expensive than the soldiers they are carrying, the flyers you can take inflate in price fast and are fairly soft.

Playing against HH armies is pretty hard since your vehicles are so expensive and your infantry can't take special weapons, but against 40k armies where MEQ blobs aren't really a thing and people like to use light vehicles a lot more they are absolutely lethal. Their ability to use blast chargers, volkite chargers, and their multilaser spam (hull multilasers and pintle multilasers on tanks) are extremely useful against light armour and even MCs as they will start failing armour saves eventually.

Granted the weakness against HH armies may be due to my list which tends to focus on a handful of tank killing tanks and footslogging blobs.

>>46308489

Yep, they also gain WS for being base to base with each other and can take some fun weapons. Vets can take volkite chargers and go full Mars Attacks

>>46308500
>>46308519
Jesus that's fucking brutal.

I might look into them. Give a break from the constant marine on marine action.

>>46308489
No, basic troops are BS 3, vehicles are also BS 3, but Velatris storms who get Volkite chargers (S/AP 5, assault 2, 18" range IIRC) are BS 4 and can absolutely shred blobs since that is what Volkite weapons do best. As for vehicles tank commanders can be taken as HQ choices for BS 4, and the HS tanks get +1 BS (I assume this stacks with tank commanders) as long as at least two tanks in the same squadron are shooting at the same target.

I may have to take the Volkite Russ with a hull and pintle multilaser eventually, two in a squadron with tank commanders in each tank just to have 20 Str 6 shots at BS 5

>>46305586
Why switch from the claw to a knife? Isn't it just AP3?

>>46308817
With rending.

>>46304925
Not a good idea, sorry mate.

>>46304925
Between mates? Sure.

Randomers? I wouldn't say so.

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What's your opinion on using rotor cannons as Iliastus pattern assault cannons, given that the rc is even described as the assault cannons forebear?

>>46309984
Nobody ever uses rotor cannons so go for it.

>>46310077
If one shortens the barrel a bit, it's a pretty close (if approximate) comparison to the 40k style ac's. Presumably the prototype would serve to look even more like the rotor cannons?

Can anyone give me some tips on how to start a Raven guard army? Rn I have a b@c box, planning on using the chaplain as a delegatus w/ poweraxe to bring chosen duty to represent isstvan vets.

Any tips on what I should have beyond mor deythan?

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>>46310315
Fellow beginner RG here, I really like the new all talons furies and quad launchers w/ shatter.

Can you use 30k armies in Combined Arms detatchments? I've been playing 40k for a while and was thinking about starting mechanicum, but no one in my area plays horus heresy

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Magnus did everything right.

>>46310386
>>46310489
Make some Mor Deythan, get rhinos for them.

Snag some drop pods for the B@C Contemptors, use them as Cortus.

Never buy a Darkwing as a FA choice, use them as DT's to keep your FA free AND give you another gunship.

RG is more about how you use things rather than what you bring. Use vets, Mor Deythan, and Furies to scour scoring. Never fight fair in CC. Hamstring Spartans with Lightnings loaded with Krakens and shoot deathstars.

>>46310514
Of course he did. In fact, doing everything right is the only right thing he's ever done.

>>46310514
Magnus did nothing _________at all________

>>46279171
updated my 2k list a bit, any advise on what i could improve:

ARMY OF DARK COMPLIACE (ALPHA LEGION)
*HQ*
WARLORD: Centurion, cataphrctii, Chaplin 120
Force commander, carapace, Survivors of the dark age 130

*TROOPS*

10 Grenadiers 65
20 Grenadiers, 2 heavy stubbers, enhanced weapons 145
10 Grenadiers
65
*ELITES*
10 sniper vets,2 HB 260
10 Furious charge vets, melta bombs, power fist, AA 270
5 Lernaean Terminators,4 power fists, Plasma Blaster, sergeant: chain fist, power dagger 260
Medicae unit 40


*HEAVY SUPPORT*
Mortis patten contemptor, ass cannons 180
Malcador, demolisher, las cannons, siege armour 295
3 Auxilia rapiers, quad laser 150

>>46310732
STUPID SEXY MAGNUS

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Do Imperial Militia and Cults fight at all like Renegades and Heretics in 40k?

If I made one or the other, could they function as both? If that makes sense?

>>46306355
they've mysteriously gone missing.

>>46310998
Took you seven hours to come up with that zinger.

Don't worry I'm bored too.

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>>46309984
As long as you tell people they should be fine. BA dude in our group is going to use the new ones though because they look better

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>>46310950
>Chaplin

>>46310950
You gave the Grenadiers the fancy provenance or the S4 melee weapons?

>>46311191
Personally I would do it the other way round. The original rotor cannon models look more like the 40k assault cannons and the newer ones seem to be smaller caliber and don't have as many similarities to the assault cannon models.

>>46311422
Oh, right yeah, the providence of +1 str on guns. its Advanced weapons isn't it? cant remember now

>>46311364
Stop that, this is no laughing matter!
welp, thats what you get for guessing whilst dyslexic

>>46311754
Then bad news, boyo. That provenance requires that if you upgrade one unit with it, you have to upgrade all of them.

>>46311829
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT. welp, guess i have to find some more points. any recommendations on what to drop?

>>46311857
Remove heavy bolters?

>>46311906
from the vets? i always thought sniper heavy bolters was MLG-pro plays?

would merging the two other grenadier squads into an 18 man one with 2 rotor cannons, be a better option?

>>46311966
>i always thought sniper heavy bolters was MLG-pro plays?
Not really, they are still only AP 4. Honestly your furious charge vets seem to exist just because. Power fist doesn't need furious charge since either way it will wound marines on a 2+ and you already have meltabombs for tanks. Even then the furious charge doesn't help much unless you give them power weapons.

I would say drop one unit of vets and beef up the other, power weapons if you keep furious charge, plasma guns or missile launchers if you keep the snipers (AP 2 and 3 respectively means you can actually hunt marines) also give the sergeant a combi-weapon on the snipers.

>>46312372
New

>>46312250
Orginally the FC vets were tank hunter vets, but then i figured with 10 MB, you dont need TH. the fist comes out of a disscussion with another anon about the fact that its only 5 points more to have a fist over a sword, and they are generally better. What should i replace them with? i am worries about losing out on anti-tank.

the sniper HB get rending though, so the main point of that squad is to throw as many dice down range as possible to get some lucky rends.