I feel like halflings (as distinct from Tolkien hobbits) would

>>46255260
Pulp fiction was an amazing work of art and we should be glad for it's existence.

Going by what I see their distinction from gnomes is usually that they're more rural and like the simple things. For humans it's mostly just that they're really short because humans tend to do basically everything anyway. All I'm thinking what you're talking about would mean is they'd probably be green or something

>What do you think?
I think that killing yourself is the objectively the morally correct thing to do, OP.

>>46255260
I will tell you what I think, but only if you provide source, as reverse images do not work.

>>46255260
tolkien literally used the name halflings himself. at least try to come up with a name

>>46255260
SOURCE. I NEED A SOURCE. IT LOOKS LIKE SAMEFACESMITHY BUT THE FACE IS DIFFERENT. LETS NOT PRETEND THIS THREAD EVER EXISTED FOR ANY OTHER REASON THAN SMUT ART AND PROVIDE THE GODDAMN SOURCE

Even from the name Halfling I inferred that they're lesser than something else. They're small, meek, and just lesser beings, so all Halflings are like slaves or servants, while also being like pacts of strays in human and dwarf settlements. All of the badass midget and Oliver Twist shit you can handle. You can get real creepy with it too, with evil "children" or prostitution. Manic pixies are also a possible thing for them.

>>46255260

How do I find shortstack porn?

>>46255260
Thanks for reminding me to check for updates to Alfie.
>>46256136
buttsmithy (dot) tumblr (dot) com

>>46255260
most movies with ben affleck is shit, but I like the daredevil series

>>46255777
Someone acknowledge the trips, for the children!

But yes OP. I like this idea.

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Thinly-veiled shortstack thread?

Thinly-veiled shortstack thread.

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>>46256088

>>46256088
Incase has more than one face these days.

>>46258214
Guys, I've got a qt Latina shortstack interested in me. How do I not fuck this up?

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>>46259144
Get heavy-duty pockets for all your spaghetti and just act natural and not like she is 5 seconds away from whipping your pants off and choking down your sperm, because she isn't.

>>46259144
Also I read that as "qt Lamia shortstack" and realized I need to get out more.

>>46255260
Halflings are already interesting.
Goblins are nothing but exp sacks from the day they're born.
Gnomes and their tinker toys are a meme race from WoW.

>>46259381
Tinker gnomes are a lot older than WoW.

>>46259381
> meme race
God damn it is this shit really starting to leak into /tg/?

>>46259442
>is this shit really starting to leak into /tg/?
there's the TCG, you know

>>46259476
Okay that made me smile you obtuse asshole. You win this round.

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>>46259381
Goblins are mishandled in pretty much every static setting and rule set. There have been creatures referred to as Goblins in old folk tales that start to seem less Gobliny and more Devilish in nature.

I personally present Goblins as varying wildly on the spectrum of competence based on age.
Goblins mature quickly, and can live almost as long as elves, but most live desperate, stupid lives that end before they turn twenty. Old Goblins tend to be very dangerous, viciously intelligent creatures.

>>46259705
If I'm understanding you I think a lot of what you're referring to tends to go towards imps instead of goblins in the typical DnD worlds

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>>46259705
Has there ever been a half-goblin race in anything? You'd think with how rapey and barbaric they're portrayed as there'd be some illegitimate halfbreeds running around somewhere.

>>46259909
Being rapey and being able to produce offspring with everything isn't really the same thing. DnD orcs basically have to have a goddess of that shit, and humans can only do it because they're the main characters

>>46259886
What I'm saying is that DnD tries to pain clear lines where they used to blur quite a bit. I've got a book of Grimm and Andersen fairy tales sitting on my shelf with at least one Goblin being referred to as an agent of the devil himself. I can't remember which exactly it was. May have been the Snow Queen.

>>46259705
Cool picture, cool idea.

>>46259144
If you're posting here, it is already too late.

>>46255260
>I will make up a problem that doesn't exist as an excuse to post my whyfoo faggotry on /tg/

Fucking cancer.

>>46256136
/aco/ has a general up at all times

>>46259962
That infamous 3rd party book with the table puts humans at mid-tier compatibility. Funny thing about that table is that orcs and elves can't breed with each other despite the fact that orcs and elves can breed with humans.

>>46261191
I can kinda understand that bit, though. Say, Elves have gene A, humans have gene B and orcs have gene C. A and B work, B and C work, but A and C just don't have the right adapters.

>>46255260

Well... I think you're probably overthinking it.

Before I get into my answer to you, I'm going to explain something to you: I was pretty young when Warcraft 1 and 2 came out, and I played a ton of both, and pretty much preferred to play as the Orcs in both games because I thought they were no only funny, but were more visually interesting than the humans (and later elves and dwarves). So, as a result (plus a little Star Trek), I am very biased toward the greenskins.

So, for my own homebrew, I asked myself whether or not it was necessary to have halflings, since they really just exist to reference Tolkien. And my answer is no. They're unnecessary.

Then I asked myself if gnomes were necessary. And by a long margin, the answer was absolutely not. They tend to come in two flavors for PnP: the quirky tinkerers/crazy tech race, or the very magical trickster race, neither of which I like. The former because dwarves can fill that niche rather comfortably, and the latter because it sounds more like a class description than an actual race.

So... for my world, goblins come in two varieties: Settled, assimilated goblins, who are civilized, and the tribal, savage, evil, monstrous XP buttons. The settled goblins don't like their tribal cousins, and aren't going to betray the party because they feel no racial loyalty to those sorts of goblins.

The same goes for orcs (I'd rather have full blooded orcs as a playable race than half-orcs, but I do get why people like to keep orcs as evil rape monsters).

So, ultimately there's nothing keeping you from changing things up for your games. And there's also nothing wrong with the Tolkienesque high fantasy PnP game worlds either.

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>>46261191
>>46261265

Quintessential Half-Orc (one of the few good Quintessential books) has half-orc/half-goblins, half-orc/half-dwarves, and half-orc/half-elves.

And a background you can take where you had loving parents who sheltered you from the world, so you're completely baffled why people hate you.

>>46259909
I've never seen particularly rapey goblins. they're usually just destructive

>half-orc/half-elf

Isn't that just a human?

>>46261354
Japanese stuff.

>>46261357
Yes.

>>46261357
pointy ears + pointier ears = rounded ears?

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>>46259909

There are half-goblins for 3.5 in the 3rd party book Bastard and Bloodlines, and the 2nd party book Races of Ansalon (it's for Dragonlance).

Also, goblins are statted in the Monster Manual, and the psionic Blue goblins are in the Expanded Psionics Handbook.

>>46261294
Halflings, Dwarves, Elves, Orcs and Gnomes are allegories for materialist philosophies within Western Civilization, rather than different human races, since unlike humans they don't have everlasting souls, but instead just live a long ass time.
In a sense, they gave up their humanity and spirituality for vanity that will be lost to time.

>>46255260
>would be more interesting if you made them into the civilized cousins of goblins

I usually save that for gnomes, actually, probably as a result of playing Majesty: The Fantasy Kingdom Sim so much, wherein the gnomes were very goblin-like in appearance and action, except they were friendly.

Halflings are gypsies in my setting - wanderers and traders and merchants and highwaymen and all sorts of other things. They're still pretty distinct from Hobbits, but also meaningfully distinct from elves, half-elves, and dwarves. And also gnomes get their niche, and orcs (and thereby half-orcs) have their niche, and all is well.

>>46261467

I can see how that might be an interesting allegorical take, but in PnP, that's not the case.

Elves, dwarves, orcs, halflings, and goblins were included in D&D because a bunch of Gygax's players were big LotR fags.

No idea where gnomes came from, aside from fairy tales.

>>46261357
Depends on how the genes mix. Might actually end up as basically an elf-orc.

>>46261506
Gnomes are closer.to the.mythological representation of the smallfolk than hobbits are, which are an invention of tolkien

Why are people who play PnP so obsessed with race?
Why can't you just say everyone is human?
Why does even /tg/ feel like they need to be some degree of special snowflake.
You cunts don't even play different fantasy races as different species, merely as stereotypes of humans.

>>46259909
I actually plan on including a race of half-goblins in my works in the far future where I actually accomplish something.

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>>46259381
>>46259705

I had this simple idea for orcs since I feel they're turning a bit stale (not that I don't like the codified versions of fantasy races on occasion), but it can work for goblins. They were a synonym for orc in Middle Earth anyway. Instead of moving away from the always chaotic evil monster thing, why not embrace it just a little? Make them the missing link of evil and nasty monsters as in just about everything evil and nasty in the world branched off from orcs. You'd represent this by taking the d100 Tiefling mutation rollchart, or making one like it, and applying it to goblins &/or orcs. It can change up their appearance, abilities, you can eve throw in size categories. Those smaller than average are goblins, the medium ones are orcs, and the bigger ones are ogres. Would be kind of cool. Probably not what you're looking for if you want them to be more than baddies but I'm starting to prefer more monstrous orcs and goblins to green barbarians.

>>46261567
D&D and fantasy genre conventions. Don't be obtuse.

>>46261567
Describing physical traits makes it much easier to convey complex concepts of societies, rather than describing an ethos, history and gene expressions of various human races.

>>46261357
No, that's uruk-hai. Superelforcs with all the advantages of both.

>>46261567
First, because they're cool, and many entertainment mediums seems to agree not just PnP. Second, it depends on the group and the campaign. In serious campaigns our DM encourages some players to act their character's ages, if they outlive humans. He'd also have members of the same race treat that player like a black sheep if they acted like one or inappropriately. Even then he kind of explained it away by not so subtly implying all adventurers are manchildren and to live that kind of life you have to be a bit weird in some way.

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>>46255260
What if goblins are just domesticated miniature Orcs created by warlocks?

Orc genes are stupid good but copy righted by some evil god usually, it'd make sense a crazy wizard would try to knock em' off and create the New Magical Man to serve the cabal of warlocks.

>>46256088
Hey now that's not fair, although Incase used to suffer from pretty terrible same-face syndrome, he's improved a lot and draws many different faces now.

>>46261748
I almost like the reverse. Goblins were the original orcs reflecting the Tolkien orcs who were mega manlets and bow legged. Then someday an evil wizard decided to make his own orcs but bigger and better-er so he did and it was bad, for everyone else. The evil god was so impressed that he congratulated the evil wizard before tearing him into a billion pieces and adopting the new orcs as his own. Then he demoted his old orcs and called them goblins.

>>46261811
I like it.

>>46255387
I don't know if I just watched it way too many times in high school or what but I think both Reservoir Dogs and Jackie Brown were far better movies. I get that the whole point was that it was all vapid and meaningless, but isn't making a deliberate fatuous movie a bit like shitposting ironically?

>>46261811
>>46261832
Me too. The dynamics between the two groups would be interesting

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>>46259909

Alright I'm going to give you guys my take on Goblinoids. This is going to be a several-parter.

>Ancient Goblins

Ancient Goblins look like pic related, and despite their name are not extinct. They are simply rare and reclusive due to suffering from years of competition against their half-goblin cousins. During the Human and Half-Goblin war, pure goblin enclaves were also attacked, pushing the race even further from civilization. They are the wretched, filthy, xenophobic, gaunt-looking mystics who think little of using the most abhorrent of practices to extricate use from anybody who dares to intrude upon their world. And for the ancient Goblins, the definition of "intrusion" is usually "entering my field of vision." Their skin is knobbly, and varies from yellows, to greens, to the tar blacks of subterranean goblins (the oldest of all goblin subspecies). Their societies can be found in deep woods, swamps, mountain warrens, and caves, but are rare in any case. Stories of goblins eating children and weaving the foulest of curses abound in folklore.

>>46255449
> objectively
> morally
These are mutually exclusive anon. You may have one and only one of them.

>>46261341
Is this Corruption of Champions fan art?
Because it looks like Corruption of Champions fan art.

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>>46263526

>Half-Goblins (or Modern Goblins/City Goblins)

Half-Goblins look like World of Warcraft Goblins, having overall more body volume than their ancient forebears. Though modern, city-dwelling Goblins do not look monstrous, their exaggerated elfin features are sometimes considered homely by the standards of the other races. It varies, but the males get an especially bad rap in the looks department, due to their noses and chins being so pointy they are reminiscent of a crescent. In Half-Goblin culture, however, large noses, chins, and ears on men are associated with virility. The real curse of their obviously non-human features is that it lays bare their heritage. The Goblins that are now a common sight in human cities are the distant but direct product of a foul mixing of blood between the grotesque, witch-like goblins of the wilds and unknown humanoid mates. No matter how successful they are in life, this dirty fact looms over the identity of the Goblin individual like a curse.

(1/2)

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>>46263606

(2/2)

Half-Goblins have the dubious honor of being stereotyped as opportunistic, hedonistic, morally-flexible underdogs who don't just profit from intrigue, but relish it with style. They are second-class citizens with a first-rate deathgrip on the naughty bits of society. Urban Half-Goblin culture originated from refugees who surrendered or survived during a massive, military-forced "dissolving" of the many rapidly spreading and increasingly voracious Half-Goblin tribes. Settling in slums outside of the city proper, they were faced with poverty within a society that thought of them as a plague. Urban Goblin culture evolved to be simultaneously ingratiating yet somewhat intimidating to humans, while at the same retaining a devil-may-care approach to social limitation as a response to their own damning heritage. Goblins can be sociopath socialites who love to climb up the unseen ladder of power, and social loners who don't care how lowly they're regarded. Goblin parts of town housed all of the suppressed taboos and obsessions of the human mind that desperately needed a place to live, and over time the development of new slums was necessitated as the old slums grew too lavish. Now, there's a "Goblin part of town" in every city, and more often than not their bombastic scandalousness is exceeded only by their property values.

>>46261357
Well if you Tolkien it up that'd be a half human, half partially corrupted elf. This individual would have a bad time.

>>46261651
Nooooo, Uruk-Hai are just half-orcs.

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>>46263615

>Gremlins

As Gnomes are humanoids directly connected to the fey, Gremlins are a goblinoid offshoot with the faintest of fey blood and/or spirit. While Gnomes embody the jovial, nature-loving, enchanting aspects of fairies that people romanticize, Gremlins reflect the maniacal, alien, amoral, and chaotic nature of fairies. I imagine Gremlins to be like Pathfinder Goblins, but slightly smaller, furred over most of their body (like original-style Kobolds, think Kobolds Ate My Baby), and with a high aptitude for tinkering and sabotaging, be it intentional or otherwise. Gremlins are shades of brown in both skin and fur, and live in roving animalistic colonies, but sometimes base themselves out of something like a cave so that they can hide all of their toys there. All Hail King Torg!

>>46261811
>before tearing him into a billion pieces

>wasting useful people


Idiots like this god make chaotic evil look bad.

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>>46263670

>Orcs

The incorrigibly bellicose proud warrior race we all know. Full-blooded orcs typically only interact with big cities (the sort of society most likely to have a use for the vilified races) as individuals looking for mercenary work, due to separating from their tribe for a multitude of possible reasons. Orcs aren't furred, but sport a lot of body hair. Their skin is thick and course, typically brownish green in color, and their noses are flatter and broader than humans. The super duper evil subterranean orcs look like a lot like Uruk Hai: a deep blackish red, their skin both oily and flaky as if they were covered in scabs.

The aggression and pain-based meritocracy of most Orc tribes creates a lot of unnecessary outcasts. Sometimes the "weak" and disgraced escape, sometimes the upstart just cause too much friction and manage leave with their lives and honor intact, other times the simple rebel nature of the Orc sparks even within a society he is completely comfortable within. The border lands are dotted with the occasional Orcish ronin.

>>46261651
Uruk-hai are half human. Regular LotR orcs are corrupted elves.

>>46263794

>Hobgoblins

Hobgoblins are a visual link between Goblins and Orcs. It is speculated that Hobgoblins are either a common ancestor between them, or the one closest genetically to a now extinct ancestor, with trolls and ogres being connected to an even older vertex.

Hobgoblins are between humans and orcs in mode height, but have a slightly squatter height to width ratio. They have completely slick, yellow skin, nostril slits instead of a nose, and slightly longer limbs. The classic mental profile of the Hobgoblin is that of the cold and calculating manhunter. Hobgoblins are more willing to choose mercenary work as their way of life than Orcs, cooperating with civilized free-enterprising entities, yet at the same time are even less likely to have good or honorable tendencies. They are rather rare.

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>>46263980

>Trolls

Trolls. Trolls are extremely disparate, and speculated to have relation to the fey due to their magical nature. Some are lanky with huge hands and big noses, others are rotund. Some have tails with bristly hair at the end, some do not. Some have warty, grey skin that gives them a rocky appearance, while others are mostly just balls of fur with big tusked mouths.

There are a few things trolls typically share physiologically and socially, however. Trolls live in forests, caves, and on mountains in non-tribal, familial societies that are ruled by anybody who bothers to clean up the place (always a matriarch). They rarely interact with other sentient beings, but are the classic natural enemy of Gnomes and will harass gnomish neighbors. Not so rarely, a troll becomes a hermit, staking out new territory in a natural formation or ruin. Hermit trolls vary wildly in disposition. They may be exceptionally aggressive, exploitative, reclusive, or even friendly.

On top of being hardy in general, Trolls' bodies are able to regenerate flesh wounds at supernaturally fast rate. It can be observed by the naked eye within seconds.

>>46261191
>Funny thing about that table is that orcs and elves can't breed with each other despite the fact that orcs and elves can breed with humans.
That kind of thing happens in actual biology pretty often. I believe the term for it is "ring species". Species A is similar enough to B that they can breed, and species B is similar enough to C, but A and C are different enough to make breeding impossible.
Humans are essentially the midpoint between orcs and elves, similar enough to both that they can breed with either.

>>46261936
>but isn't making a deliberate fatuous movie a bit like shitposting ironically?
Not OP but the ironic shitposts are generally bad because they are still shit, but being shit isn't a strict requirement for shitposting when you look at it a certain way.

Pulp Fiction is a good movie. It has characters you can care about, a fairly clear story that you can follow, and a couple genuine twists that serve less to confuse than they do to enhance. That the whole movie has no message or "good" characters you can root for (note that this is different from characters you can care about) is secondary. It is a cinematic shitpost that is off topic and meaningless but you still feel good after seeing it because it's a quality post nonetheless.

>>46263693
Even good gods don't like mortals showing them up.

>>46261294
I kind of feel the same way. I couldn't really think of a good role for Halflings and Gnomes in my setting, since Halflings exist pretty much entirely to be a reference to Tolkien's Hobbits and are little more than short rural humans with hairy feet, while Gnomes only ever seem to come in two varieties: high-tech tinkerers (Dwarves already have relatively advanced technology and having Gnomes running around in full "steampunk and lasers" mode a la Warcraft would just feel out of place) or magic tricksters (Fairy creatures already do that, although I could just consider Gnomes to be one type of Fairy).
I've been thinking of including Kobolds or something as the "short people race" that's still being distinctive enough from humans and Dwarves.

As for Half-Orcs, I'm not really fond of the idea of one of the core races having standard background of "my parent was raped by Orcs", but instead of replacing the Half-Orc PC race with Orc one, I just made Half-Orcs take up up the role of Orcs (Half-Orcs breed true and are smarter than regular Orcs while being almost as strong, so over time they ended up replacing pureblooded Orcs, which are now very rare).

>>46261179
/aco/ is one of the worst things to happen to this website.

>>46265404
How? Is porn classification really that important to you?

>>46265602
Anyone who thinks porn should be grouped by the locations of the artists rather than fetishes is a turbo autist who should be euthanized. It's killed many good threads on /d/ and it's filled with cancerous furry tier cartoon porn that really reflects that the average poster there isn't old enough to browse this website.

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>>46265708
Anyone who thinks porn classification is this important is a turbo autist who should be euthanized.
Like holy shit, Just hide the threads you don't like. It's not that important.

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>>46265789
>defending a board that's 50% r34 of childrens cartoons
>why do you hate /furry/ just hide the threads you don't like
>implying /aco/fags aren't responsible for tightening the classification restrictions

>Ignoring
>threads that don't have enough content to stay alive without combining western and eastern content
>you can no longer post eastern and western in the same thread

>>46265708
I agree we should have digital porn and alternative digital porn

>>46265789
Have you ever been to /aco/ or /h/? the mods are nazis and delete images that don't exactly fit to the board even though it's just porn and no one gives a shit

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>>46255260
but that is how my lore works

>>46265929
D mods got more nazi after /aco/, too

>>46255777
It's InCase the SameFace, if I remember correctly.

>>46265906
>I only fap to exclusively adult cartoons
>I don't report furfag shit, even though they actually have a containment board now.

>I can't have a slow board.
>The point of the board distinction.
Look, I don't like it, but admittedly I don't look at porn that much. I think you take this a little bit too seriously.
>>46265929
I've never posted on there, so I can't say.

>>46265906
>>46265929
Also occasional Catch-22 moments when stuff gets deleted everywhere because mods can't agree on classification.
Recent example being Wakfu stuff getting purged off /d/ because it's western and purged off /aco/ because it looks like anime.

>>46265602
Not him, but when /aco/ was created it caused all sorts of problems. At first the mods were really strict about what was "western" and what was "eastern" art, resulting in a lot of threads and pictures getting deleted and people arguing whether manga-style art drawn by a western author should go on /aco/ or not (mods ultimately decided no, since that would require to check the nationality of the artist of eveyr picture posted).

Then there was the issue that all western-style NSFW art regardless of the content was moved to /aco/, which was a bad thing for more niche "weird" fetishes, as not only was the relatively small pool of art now split between two boards but people who wanted /aco/ to be a western art equivalent of /h/ or /e/ complained about the /d/-tier stuff that was also moved there. There was a lot of flaming in more niche fetish threads from people telling those making them to go back to /d/ while said people were retorting that they'd rather be on /d/ but the mods kept forcing them to go to /aco/. The whole thing was rather funny to watch.

Thing have calmed down since then, though, and the more niche stuff is now mostly allowed to remain on /d/ regardless of the artstyle.

>>46266097
Maybe I am, but /aco/ is a pointless addition that only further divided content and made it harder to find obscure fetish art and that makes me mad.

>>46266160
>pointless
Before /aco/ there was literally nowhere to post Western porn.

>>46266369
You could post it there, it was just one of those things the mods ignored.

>>46255260
>halflings (as distinct from Tolkien hobbits)

LOL wut?

>>46266404
What? What are you talking about? I said before /aco/ existed, there was nowhere to post Western porn.

>>46266597
You could on /d/

>>46256088
Yes it is
http://incaseart.tumblr.com/post/135737610205/i-was-supposed-to-spend-all-day-working-on-alfie

>>46266526
DnD Halflings have been way different than Hobbits for a very long time, in ways other than the name.

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>>46255260
>what do you think
no.

I mean, don't get me wrong, this is your rodeo, if you want to make a whole goddamn system or setting where this is canon I don't see why not but personally that just sounds stupid as shit.

>>46266639
Only if it was weird fetish shit. If you wanted to post normal, non-/d/-related porn you had nowhere.

>>46263576
>tips oversized volume of postmodern philosophy
M'lennial

>>46266978
They should have taken the stick out of their asses and allowed it on h instead of making a whole new board.

>>46267076
I would rather have a whole new board than have to wade through anime nonsense. Nothing against anime, but that's not what I want when it comes to this sort of thing.

Like, /aco/ had an MTG thread for a good while. With how little good MTG content there is, if it was on /h/, it would've been pushed off the board immediately.

>>46267076
No, /aco/ is necessary. They're too different to be lumped together.

>>46267426
This, mostly.
Western porn and "hentai" generally come with different ear notes. I enjoy both, but for years, the better western artists could not be posted on 4chan, period, nor could a lot of r34 from western products. It's an inelegant solution, however, something An Hiro needs to drop the hammer on and dictate what is and isn't kosher for all board. The previously mentioned Wakfu situation should have never fucking happened.

>>46267426
But everything on /aco/ is too different to coexist. You have content that belongs on literally every animated porn board lumped together with the only similarity being a vague geographical range.

>>46261651
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>>46263882
Orcs, Goblins, and Uruk-hai are all variations of the same species. "Uruk-hai" literally just means "orc-folk." Tolkien never confirmed the origin of orcs, so the "orcs are corrupted elves" theory is merely that.

>>46255260
Throw gnomes in the blender too.