/tgesg/ - Weekend Elder Scrolls Lore General

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Early Friday thread. That's cool.

So... "Notes on Racial Phylogeny"
Heavy handed, in-universe propaganda or actual good info?

>>46243412

I was under the impression it was pretty accurate, though the dismissal about cross-breeds was kind of heavy-handed.

I mean, that's what Bretons are as a whole, and I find it sort of odd that the different Human ethnicities are considered practically different species. Same with Mer for that matter. I can only really imagine that being a barrier for Argonians and Khajit.

>>46243412
I take it as good info as it is the only info, (that I know of), on that subject. It might turn out to be completely wrong, but at least it's a starting point.

>>46243478
>dismissal about cross-breeds was kind of heavy-handed.
Yeah; on the other hand, I do appreciate them not "...forcing a coupling to satisfy our scientific knowledge."

Even if the author used the term "Regrettably".

>>46243478
>Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present.
>some traces of the father's race may also be present.
I want this meme to end.

>>46243412
Actual good info. WEWUZELVESfag needs to stop being so ass-blasted that Khajiit aren't elves, and stop trying to discredit an actual source to fit his head canon.

>>46244987
It's so the devs never have to bother adding racially mixed individuals into the game while still not decanonizing the origins of the Bretons.

>>46245150
Yeah, I know. That's why I think it's stupid when somebody tries to use Bretons as a way of saying Racial Phylogeny is wrong, when it was made to keep Breton origins canon.

Did Reman conquer Summerset Isles?

How? Even Tiber Spetim couldn't conquer those guys without Numidium

>>46243083
It looks like the Dewmer would have a stand

>>46245437
>They pay their Imperial tithes, I'm sure, not for fear of war with the humans but rather to keep an invasion from "infecting" their islands
>During the Second Empire ambassadors were allowed only in the capital of Alinor, and thus any description of the Altmeri homeland is confined to that city alone
http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pocket_Guide_to_the_Empire,_1st_Edition/Aldmeri_Dominion
Summerset likely just outright submitted to Reman II to preserve their lands from being tainted by any possible invasion and the men that come with it.
The Cyrodiil's control over the Isles was superficial anyways, given their ambassadors weren't even allowed outside of Alinor.

Tiber Septim was the only guy to actually straight up conquer the isles.

>>46245437
>>46245647
The Altmer probably acceded to the Reman empire diplomatically, as opposed to the submission that the Septims demanded of all kingdom-"provinces."

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Which race has the highest population and who has the smallest population? (Third century of 4th era). I think bretons or saxhleels have highest and dunmer/nords have the smallest. How much damage the imperials and altmer took from the great war?

>>46247416
Oh shit, forgot the orsimer. They probably have the smallest population.

>>46247416
Highest to lowest imo
>Cyrodiils
>Khajiit
>Bretons
>Argonians
>Redguards
>Sload
>Nords
>Bosmer
>Altmer
>Dunmer
>Reachmen
>Maomer
>Orsimer
>Imga

>>46247543
>Cyrodiils

Damn racist, colovians are nothing like the nibenese!

>>46248354
They're mostly the same, Colovians are just slightly paler and slightly more warriorlike. Still pretty much not-Romans.

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>>46248781
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It's interesting to note how many TES deities are obviously Glorantha-inspired.
Shor and Auri-El as Orlanth and Yelm is an obvious one, though Lorkhan himself is more a mix of The Second Son and Eurmal.

Morihaus is a fierce and warlike Storm Bull just like Urox. Argrath is a famous human warlord who was actually several people at once pretending to be one, and enjoyed similar status among the Orlanthi as Talos did among the Nords (also bearing heavy Orlanthi influence).

Elmal and Umakt bear some obvious comparisons to Trinimac. Especially Elmal, as he's also a sungod.

The Lunars and the Marukhati also bear some interesting parallels.

There's a ton more I'm missing.

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Friendly reminder that Telvanni are fucking crazy.
And I love it.

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>>46248781
P R A I S E
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>>46249959
And I had a one fucking job..

>>46249959
>>46249163
>>46248781
Please stop. This is /vg/ tier behaviour

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What language in TES is the most fleshed out? Is there any language that could possibly actually be used, sort of like Tolkien's Elvish?

>>46252112
Dova and Elven seem pretty close. Don't know if you could actually speak them, though.

>>46252112
Aldmeri.

>>46252112
None of them are actually speakable

>>46252112
Dovah and Aldmeris. Neither of them are at the point where they could be used to, say, write a whole book our passage, but for select simple phrases they're pretty much good.

>In other news, the invasion of Orsinium by a combined Wayrest/Daggerfall force has been called off today, as the local inhabitants of the city found out and burned their own capital to the ground themselves before the Breton forces even crossed the border. A local alderman was quoted as saying "It was going to get sacked anyway, might as well save those magic-wielding fops the trouble." The two noblemen in charge of the High Rock force could not be reached for comment.

>>46252783
>Eye witness accounts claim a large number of vintage potions were destroyed in a grainy fire, but this source could not be verified.

>>46252783
>>46252834
>Sentinel officials disappointed with lack of violence, decided to show up and kill an orc or two for purely ceremonial purposes.
>Locals claim that New Life is ruined, due to lack of orc tears.

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>>46252783
Someone should really do something about these fucking orcs

>>46253024
>orc tears
I wasn't aware that Orcs could cry

>>46252783
>>46252834
>>46253024
If I didn't see some of you guys develop it last weeekend, I'd be certain this unfunny shit was coming straight from reddit

>>46253326
found the butthurt orc

>>46253326
Go to bed Gorbak.

>>46252783
It is weird how between Daggerfall and Morrowind, we went on a full 180 about how Orcs are a civilized race you can actually play as and interact with.

What do you think was the cause for the shift? I doubt it was for a new angle - the Nords were perfectly fine barbarians in their own right, and Orcs struggle to maintain their culture because they can't hold their own kingdom.

>>46253024
>Meanwhile, Sir Lywenanuel Rolsgnese of Wayrest was allegedly hear to remark that if the Orcs were going to just take all the fun out of it, he was going to move to Solstheim"

>>46253326
Man, Orcs are probably my second or third favorite race. I just think it's comical how Orsinium getting sacked is basically a weather pattern now.

>>46253400
I dunno, maybe the developers wanted to balance out the race list? Three Human types, Three Elf types, Three Non-human/elf types?

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>>46253289
Yeah, it's a natural response to things like getting dirt, or lightning in your eyes or getting cucked by you dad.
>>46253326
Make us laugh then, oh grandmaster oldfag.

>>46253513
Orcs are a type of elf.

>>46253586
Yeah, the worst type.

>>46253612
You forgot about MaRomer.

>>46253677
Tied. Both are just below Bosmer.

>>46253586
Eh, the whole "Orcs are a type of Elf" thing has always seemed a little tacked-on to me. And I'm just spitballing to try and answer >>46253400 here. If I'm right, cool; If I'm wrong, well at least everyone else has a starting point.

>>46253767
I don't know, at least the Maormer don't smell like shit or act like barbarians. In my opinion Maormer>Orsimer.

>>46254090
Basically the only thing the Maormer are known for is trying to attack Altmer for whatever reason

>>46253767
Bosmer definitely belong at a decent spot on the merish power ranking list. They got okay lore and the deer eyes are cute.

>>46254124
IIRC it's because "King" Orgnum is immortal and still trying to usurp Summerset and restore his dynasty's power on the Isles.

>>46249514
I love house Telvanni. Literally a house full of wizards who do whatever the fuck they want because no one has the balls to stop them.

>>46254131
Yeah, they're concubine tier.
>>46254124
>>46254090
>>46254164
>Pirate Elves are better than Shit Elves.
They're both scum. 0/10 would not chill with.

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>yfw eso maormer are literally just fucking snow elves

>>46254283
They were always supposed to be pale, nearly translucent.

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>>46254283
>expecting good things from ESO
Fool!

>>46254283
My biggest complaint was that it kind of killed the "mystery" of the Maromer.

>>46254462
killing mystery is what eso does best anon

>>46254492
I though killing everything about Elder Scrolls that it touched was ESO's specialty

>>46254492
Yeah, I noticed. Did an annoyingly good job of making amazing things seem like cheap props.

>>46254492
>Skyrim killed the mystery of dragon priests and falmer

>>46254658
>Oblivion ruined the mystery of Ayleids and jungles

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>>46254658
It turned motherfucking Dragons into just another incarnation of cliffracers.

>>46254658
Dragon priests didn't even exist before Skyrim.

>>46254557
And turned cool mythical stuff into embarassing quirkshit by playing it straight

Last week, someone here posted a screenshot rom reddit about a guy praising TESO for its literal depiction of the nice mysterious things from the lore, oblivious to the fact that he was praising the reason everybody else hates it

>>46254700
>Morrowind destroyed the mystery of Dagoth Ur and the Great Houses.

>>46254700
>I was expecting the Colovian Fur Helm to be much more popular in Cyrodiil than Vvardenfell

>>46254752
>Daggerfall destroyed the mystery of orcs and Numidium

>>46254752
>Daggerfall retconed the druids of Galen.

>>46254779
>Arena destroyed fucking everything

>>46254764
It's called Colovian Fur Helm because it's made of Colovians' fur, not because it's from Colovia.

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>>46254658
>>46254700
>>46254752
>>46254779
>>46254788
>>46254799

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>>46254719
Worst part was the nords. Nords were turned into drunken, eight(9) divines worshiping, I don't even know.. Even the old holds didn't worship the old gods, expect my man, Froki.

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>>46254764
Nah, it just has ear flaps now, for those cold Colovian nights.

>>46254799
>Redguard destroyed the mister of THA RHEDGHAWD MHUST NOHAWT FIND HIS SISTAH

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>>46254764
Perhaps the Colovians learned a thing or two about fashion in the years between Morrowind and Oblivion.

>>46254909
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>>46255063
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>>46254893
Sometimes people would still swear by Shor, and there were other mentions of the old gods, and there were a few people you could find who worshiped old gods, but they were treated like different forms of the Eight. Otherwise at best you have the vague nature spirits of the Reachmen and the Atomoran people.

I mean, I'm not surprised - Morrowind was actually more of an exception than the rule when it came to how much of a focus was on dieties and worship - but it is still rather disappointing when nothing is done with what's actually given.

>>46254906
>That look of pure worried concern.
Somebody need to zoom in and put sweat on her face.

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>>46255267
>Atmoran people

>>46255267
And all those Arkay priests and shrines? Wtf nords didn't even worship him.

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>>46254856
>>46255318
If you guys are gonna post memes in /tgesg/, you better be posting Elder Scrolls versions of em.

Like so;

>>46255488
Not all of us are fancy pants artists.
Saved.

>>46255488
>That's the only version of that I have

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>>46256173
I pretty much ONLY have ES-themed memes.

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>>46256427
How nice for you

>>46256427
>Not this kills the mudcrab
5/10

>>46255318
Did I get it mixed up? I don't think they were Nedic, but they had some animal spirits they worshipped that you always see on those stupid spinning obelisks. There's a small lore book about it in one of the dungeons in Skyrim.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Notes_on_Yngol_Barrow

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About to play Battlespire for the first time, what is a suggested build or w/e they use?

In the main entries i play a battlemage/priest hybrid (I call Cultist/Cult leader) for an idea of my regular playstyle.

>>46243412
I've always taken it to be pretty accurate, with no real contradictory info being present, I've not found any great reason to believe otherwise.

We know of some obscure cases of weird crossbreeds like orc/dhampire of all things though, so, that bit of the book is soft boiled as t worst.

>>46245084
And this. There's one or two booty blasted spergs who cannot understand either Ahnisi or Topal the Pilot, as both clearly spelling out their different ancestry. On top of the whole lorkhan link khajiit and to a much lesser extent Argonians have that is completely void for mer.

>>46259026
>that is completely void for mer
>hurr who are the Dunmer

>>46259103
Explain

>>46243539
Are you saying you wouldn't bang Mer for the sake of science?

>>46259148
Dunmer are Lorkhanic as fuck.

>>46259151
Just read up on queen cunt if you want some yiff.

>>46259174
How much of their physiology and culture revolves around lorkhan?

>>46259174
Show me.

>>46259174
*Padomic

>>46259192
>physiology
A lot, since the Azura intervention.
>culture
Like, all of it.

>>46259210
You wat m8?

>>46259220
>I'm such a scrub I don't know about the Endeavor

>>46249514
Being khahiit and all I always used to gravitate to Redoran, and I still respect them a great deal.

But these days, I'm willing to take a piece of that amoral crazy, for science!

>>46259237
I haven't heard of the endeavor but it sounds like MK retardation.
Maybe I'm wrong, point me to some sources

I don't know who to reply to.
Dunmer are elves that like Lorkhan the same way Redguards are Humans who don't.

>>46259260
We know that they don't have the altmer hate boner for lorkhan, but really the only connection they have is the tribunal's abuse of the Dwemer's harnessing of the heart for numidium.

I know they ruled for something like 1300 years, but the heart didn't really bestow lorkhanic veneration on the dunmer.

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>>46259258
The Changed Ones
Spirit of Nirn
etc.

>>46259260
>Khajiit and Dunmer are elves that like Lorkhan the same way Redguards are Humans who don't.

>>46259349
And this is evidence that they're padomic? Anon here >>46259326 is more in line with the lore than dunmer

>>46259428
Yes it is. Dunmer are following Doom Drum's plan, and their form is shaped by a padomaic force.

If Dunmer and Orsimer count as elves, then Khajiit should too.

Something that bothers me - if the universe is all a dream, does the dream have a purpose? Is the universe going to end forever, no next kalpa, when the purpose has been fufilled? Why is the Godhead dreaming?

>>46259521
To birth another Dreamer. It's just life.

>>46259519
The fact khajit have sub-species that aren't anthropoid and completely bestial disqualifies them from being elves

>>46259521
One dream gives way to the next. Also, he's dreaming because his brother went all John Wick on him when he got caught banging his waifu and put him in a coma.

>>46259594
>The fact bosmer have sub-forms that aren't anthropoid and completely bestial disqualifies them from being elves

>>46259594
Tell that to the deerwolfdemons.

>>46259595
Yeah, he went to hide in the sun and started a new universe, but he was so god damn butthurt he couldn't keep his brother out of his new perfect dream. Padomay, the embodiment of change in the face of pure stasis, is ruining Anu's perfect dream.

>>46259667
Wait wait wait, hold the tonal communion tube, anu and padomey are the dreamers? They interact with their own dreams, the dreamer isn't supposed to be aware of the dream - how are they do?

>>46259521
The dream keeps going as long as Todd Howard makes money.

>>46259667
To be fair, Anu's dream would be pretty dull without a bit of ALTADOO GHARTOK PADHOME in it.

>>46259610
Are they referred to as elves?
Khajit aren't. They're referred to as a beast race.

>>46259756
Be better if it didn't all end in almsivi.

>>46259782
At least we get a little warning before AZURA IS COME.

>>46259737
Anu is the dreamer. He wanted perfect stasis. He just couldn't fucking stop thinking about Padomay though, so Padomay now exists in the dream and ruins everything for Anu, who is doomed to be usurped by a new dreamer due to Lorkahn's intervention and creating Mundus/Nirn.

>>46259756
Oh yeah, for sure. Anu was butthurt and went off to make his own dream, without black jack, or hookers.

>>46259737
Anu is the Dreamer, Dream-Padhome is his memory of pre-Dream-Padhome.

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>>46259776
They aren't elves, but we all have our own headcanons, and quite frankly we can all read the same books and walk away with completely different subtext from it.

As long as bethesda doesn't uncompromizingly lay it all out, all will be good with the universe

>>46259776
Only by analogy, because they're so different. Orcs are considered goblin-ken by some too, but they are mer.

>>46259831
Sounds good

In my own headcanon, males determine what race the child will be.

>>46259867
>I'm deliberately ignoring what this other anon said and posting something completely silly!

Nice.

Goblins are degenerate descendants of Orcs who traveled back in time during one of the Dragon Breaks.

>>46259817
So the Khajiit are dreams of the dreamers shade of a dream. Khajiit confirmed for inception.

>>46259867
In mine 4% of the population at large doesn't even into male/female, and skyrim never happened.

>>46259394
This fag again?

>>46259945
>there must be only one person who disagrees with me!

>>46259945
Different Anon, I also support the Catmer.

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>>46259945
Shhh, shh, no more tears, only chim now.

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>>46259964
Yep. Good to see you're still posting your head canon like it's a fact.

>>46259982
Then you're also objectively wrong.

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>>46259987
>He doesn't post CHIM in all caps.
Get a load of this guy.

>>46259987
chim?

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>>46260084

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>>46259889
>>46260084
Okay

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>>46260083

>>46260178
I must know what the PSJJJJ have to do with Moonmen.

>>46260201
CHIM

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>>46260214

>>46260201
Lorkhan tricked the gods into making reality so somebody could pursue Amaranth, and thus the Psijic Endeavor.
I don't know, I didn't name it.

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Shut up and post Telvanni.

>>46260044
Okay.

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>>46260259

>>46260259
>not the superior Indoril

I'd post some if i had any. Indoril images are lacking

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>>46260318
>superior
>doesn't even have pictures
Go watch some scum.

>>46260349
>Go watch some scum.
There aren't any bretons near me sorry

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>>46260373
Oh no redguard you didn't.

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>>46260259

>>46260384
That cannot be official concept art can it?

>>46260407
It's not.

>>46260416
Do you have any, maybe from MK or something?

In regards to MK, what's up with ladyN? Haven't heard him/her mentioned for some time

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>>46260318
>Indoril
You stuck up drones wouldn't be able to get any pussy even if you were in the middle of Dres slave pits.

>>46260438
Lady N is mostly active on tumblr. http://ladynerevar.tumblr.com/

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>>46260438
I have a few small pieces, if you'd like. Though you could find them on that High Rock google doc.

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>>46260438
Not much.

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>>46260486

>>46260468
Source.

SOOOOURCE.

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>>46260504
Tel Fyr.

>>46260501

>>46260504
The art looks familiar but RIS isn't working.

>>46260504
http://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/1119023

>>46260504
>>46260539

>google "divayth fyr r34"
>first result leads to artist
>IYX

>>46260468
Hey, could you share that censer?

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>>46260599

How many complete regions are there in Tamriel Rebuilt?
Are the Redoran lands and Almalexia finished?
When is Dres coming out?

>>46260706
Dres is still in the concept stage.

>>46260821
How about Redoran and Almalexia?
Is the Telvanni mq finished yet?

>>46260977
Dunno, ask someone of the team.

>>46260977
check it out and see what they're working on.

http://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/

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Why do some cultures in TES revolve around their gods intentionally making their lives suck? Namely the Orcs and Dunmer.

>>46262280
Psijic Endeavor.
Seriously almafetchers google it.

>>46262280
Orcs are just tusking stupid 'cause they believe breton/aldmer propaganda. They should worship Trinimac instead of Malacath. And for Dunmer, ask for Vivec. And this>>46262397

>>46262280
The Dunmer believe that suffering can educate them in becoming more profound beings. They engage in what is basically religious sadomasochism to learn how to understand themselves and grow.

>>46262397
>google psijic endeavor
>all this MK wankery

>>46262280
Human nature, funnily enough

>>46262720
>dismissing established lore only because MK is related
Might as well disregard the whole of Morrowind while you're at it.

>>46262772
>MK created the entirety of MW lore alone

If MW were a book it would be pretentious garbage nobody but fedora tipping cock suckers would read.
Thankfully it's a game and his twaddle is inconsequential to the experience unless you choose to include it.

This whole shit about dunmer being padomaic strictly because MK said so is yet more shit to add to the pile of shit his fans attempt to force as canon.

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>>46263062
Did MK kill your dog or something? Why are you so mad?
You can deny it all you want but MK having a BIG influence on the universe pre-Oblivion is a fact, and going "LALALA DON'T HEAR YOU" won't make it go away.
Psijic Endeavor is a well-known thing supported by numerous in-game sources (The Changed Ones, Varieties of Faith in the Empire, Spirit of Nirn etc.) If you didn't know about it before this thread - you're most likely a Skyrim (or worse an ESO) kiddie who doesn't know shit and should fuck off to /r/teslore.

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>>46252207
Well, Dova is. The vocabulary is very limited but you could speak it.

>>46263293
>Buffscale rapes child
gets me everytime

>>46260201
Orcs and Dunmer need to hang from trees

>>46260178
>Orc Lives Don't Matter

>>46263062
I should think calling ANY race strictly Anuic or Padomaic is a stretch, as mortality inherently brings with it the capacity to not be a universal stereotype. Some races have strong ties due to their cultural or religious leanings, like the Altmer's veneration of the Elhnofey leading to an Anuic worldview or the Khajiiti sharing a strange connection with Azura and Lorkhan, but within specific races you can still get exceptions naturally.

In the Dunmer's case... They got changed by one Daedra, worship a triumvirate of other Daedra and Vivec's writings go into a fair amount of detail about the Endeavour. Culturally, it's hard to deny at least some Padomaic bias there. That's not headcanon, that's simple observation.

>>46263293
>You can deny it all you want but MK having a BIG influence on the universe pre-Oblivion is a fact

Nah. Redguard was shit. MW is his only claim to fame and his esoteric philosophy is optional which limits the influence. Remove his writings from the lore and you lose absolutely nothing, infact you'd gain comprehensibility.

>>46264191
>Remove his writings from the lore and you lose absolutely nothing
You do remove parts of the metaphysics of the setting by doing so, and those are a big part of what makes the setting more interesting than most fantasy fiction out there.

>>46264191
>Remove his writings from the lore and you lose absolutely nothing

Aside from TES and instead get D&D with furries.

>>46264191
>infact you'd gain comprehensibility.
BY THE NINE
HOW HORRFYING

I want this "MK ruined TES" meme to end.
I get it, people ride his dick too much, but he, Rolston, and Kuhlmann are what made the games and the lore what they are.

>>46247543
Sloads in the middle? Argonians not #1?

I think we have a problem here

>>46265644
I get the sloads being towards the bottom, but why Argonians being towards the top?

>>46254893
How many pagans are still in England by the medieval era?

>>46265644
I dunno about that. It's nearly impossible to get an accurate idea of how many Argonians there are based on average population, just because of the decentralized nature of the confederated tribes of Argonia. They aren't exactly the type to keep a formal census, outside of what would be necessary for birth/burial rights or THE HIIIISSSSSTTTT fuckery.

>>46259916
Source?

>>46265664
They're the only egg-laying race. Reptiles/amphibians breed like fucking rats.

Also, they have a massive province that nobody else can survive in. Number one cause of death in TES is probably the bandits that way outnumber all other population. They don't have to deal with that as much. Plus they have the Hist to guide them/make them badass a la Blackwood Co

>>46265900
That's a lot of assumptions.

>>46265900
Yeah, I don't think any of those are mentioned anywhere. Also there are in-fact elves and humans living in there, and piracy is a big problem around there.

>>46265736
don't know about england but there were people holding on to their old faiths in Finland and Russia all the way to the end of 18th century. Even excluding the indigenous groups(saami, komi, mari etc.)
It was just heavily mixed with christianity and kept secret.

>>46263324
>not zixaphyr

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Why does Zenimax just slap random shit where it shouldn't be

>>46267885
Anon, don't you know? Making random slap in the face references to obscure concepts is totally grade-A lore!

>>46265644
Sload reproduce in swarms. Argonians live in a fucking swamp. What exactly is the problem here?

>>46267885
>Elder Scroll of Chim
Wait, how does that even work? It's a piece of reality that says reality isn't real? So doesn't that mean the Scroll just Zero-Sums?

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>>46268015
It's just an Elder Scoll named "chim" to appease redditors.

>>46268015
Zenimax doesn't even know what half of the shit they throw out means.

>>46268043
that map looks balling

>>46268043
>Scroll of Altadoon
...Is it made of steak knives or something?

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>>46268091

>>46260386
this is great. artist?

>>46268193
That's kirkbride actually trying iirc

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>>46268015
The Elder Scroll itself might not zero sum, as they have been shown cockslapping Akatosh, and are outside the bounds of normal laws. But whoever reads it certainly would, so no one would know what the fuck it says to name it.

>>46268193
http://zhirfrox.tumblr.com/post/53377399659/mishapabor-wizard-of-house-telvanni-inspired-by

apparently.

>>46268251
I meant this link:
http://mishapabor.tumblr.com/

That one is a reblog or whatever they call it on tumblr.

>>46267885
Chim is probably just the name of the scroll. Unrelated to the metaphysical meaning.

The real problem here is the idea of an Elder Scroll having an identity

Can you take dragon's blood and meat etc. if you don't absorb the soul? Or is the burning just some weird design choice?

>>46269185
I would assume, no, you can not.

>>46260299
I want lore on Dust Adepts

>>46268015

It's an Elder Scroll of "We're gonna go ahead and troll autistic lorefaggots." Pretty damn useful, if you ask me.

>>46268469
Yeah, isn't CHIM usually capitalized for the metaphysical one? This is just using the word for royalty, ala Chim-el Adabal

>>46269682
Sounds slightly OP

>>46243478
Usable to some extent. I do believe it shouldn't be interpreted as absolutely as it tends to be, but it's our best source on the topic. Accurate until better information is acquired.

The heavy dismissal of half-breeds is likely just to explain why there's no half-elves, or anything like that. Which, again, is likely because Beth decided it was a lot more simple if they just said crossbreeds weren't a thing.

>>46252112
>tfw ta'agra or whatever the fuck it's called isn't fleshed out

>>46259945
Nah, I'm the catmer fag you argued with last week, but I'm only first checking out the thread now.

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>>46272605
My catmer nigga

>>46268251
Zhirfrox makes pretty cool stuff.

>>46272661
I would post my pics, Ri'anon, but I on a phone in a cabin in the mountains.
Gonna make up for it next weekend.

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>>46272856
You had damn well better Dar'Anonymous.

>>46265849
My ass.

can someone explain to me is the first ed of the pocket guide still canon? or was it superseded by the third ed? also- what do sloads look like? were they in any game?

>>46274035
Redguard.

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>>46274035
> is the first ed of the pocket guide still canon?
It's been retconned to death by much more generic and retarded stuff. I just choose to ignore the newer interpretations.
Good thing there are Province: Cyrodiil and Skyrim: Home of the Nords projects which would probably deliver these provinces as they should've been.

>what do sloads look like
Like this.

>>46274140
I was looking at the scrollhammer 1ed breton army list and many of the units seemed generic - I had a couple of ideas based on the first ed guide

eg. "peasant knigths" based on the ideas of quest-obsession and the incidents of battles between the "knightly orders" of Anticlere and Sensford

ligth cavalery/ horse archers based on the Bjoulsae River horse people tribes

archer/slinger scout units based on Wrothgarian Mountain herders

agents based on the fact that many famous spys in tamriels history were Brets, and with some nice rules representing them infiltrating the enemies court/retiniue and poisoning the food/feeding false info etc

>>46274612
I can support this.

>>46272605
>Nah, I'm the catmer fag you argued with last week
Well that's not even the guy you were arguing with.

>>46275664
I'm sure we've argued at some point.

>>46269682
This. As are others of the names.

Also re: >>46270251
Since it's an Old Ehlnofex word and apparently being used as such, there being others, it (and those others) should be capitalized, whereas stuff like Chim-el Adabal is (for lack of a better word because dinner out foodcoma) 'appropriated' for its meaning, and so not capped. The metaphysical version is capped because it is in the original Old Ehlnofex form, and those words are just all caps all the time.
Yay ZOS

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so how come i never see anyone talk about Vivec calling Dumac "Dumac Dwarf-Orc" and the Five Songs of Wulfharth calling him "Dumalacath"?

>>46280186
I was always more into Trinimarkay than Dumalacath.

>>46280186
Dumalacath is a pretty common conceit. I think, unlike >>46280253, you can hold both ideas at once.

>>46280186
Dumac could be just a very big guy, So Nords nicknamed him Dwarf-Orc and it stuck.

>>46280370
I mean why is the king of the Dwemer being equated to the Daedric Prince Malacath?

>>46280453
Nerevar <-> Boethia
Dumac <-> Malacath

>>46262661
But Trinimac is dead, right?

>>46280489
may i perhap have some elaboration on this particular tidbit of tidilating tutelage of l0re?

>>46265900
But piracy is a fairly large problem for the Argonians - part of their traditional distrust towards other races comes from the fact that the most contact they have with them comes from bandits and thieves hiding out from the Empire, and pirates using Black Marsh as their base.

It's not that no one else can survive in there, it's that most people don't want to. There's no real draw for settlement there because it's such harsh terrain (unless you're a Redguard, then you love a land that you have to conquer). So the Imperials just used it as a prison camp, which is arguably even worse.

>>46280596
Both Nerevar and Dumac are parts of a complex manyfold enantiomorph, with their positions somewhat corresponding to those of Boethia and Trinimac/Malacath, Boethiah being a fan of Lorkhan and Neravar being the "Son of Boethiah", Trinimac being the Champion of Aka and Dumakaregnak being the Champion of the Heart-That-Contains-Him.
The Battle of Red Mountain was some deep metaphysical shit.

>>46280540
The orcs seem to think so, and they're the only ones telling everyone that Trinimac was turned into the daedra poop known as Malacath.

The real question us, why would you believe them?

>>46280540
Not really.

>>46280784
I found a thing on r/teslore about it. I don't really like r/teslore, and I think this could've been explained a lot more simply, but thinking about it makes sense. It would explain why the Orcs are considered such great craftsmen more than them being changed Altmer.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/2cppo4/the_forbidden_theorys_conclusion_dumalacath_the/

>>46281265
What you posted is complete tinfoil-tier bullshit.

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>>46281304
Oh. Well, fuck. Sorry. I thought I just didn't fully get it.

>>46280784
Literally has nothing to do with the Enantiomorph.

>>46281511
Everything has to do with Enantiomorph.
The Dream is an endless repetition of Anu-Nir-Padomai story in different settings.

>>46281552
Well then, from that perspective, me taking a shit has as much to do with the Enantiomorph as what >>46280784 said

>>46281589
It does. You're just reenacting Boethia-Trinimac.

Every time you shit.

NO ESCAPE FROM THE DREAM
EMBRACE THE SHARMAT

>>46281589
If you see "upstart topples king" and don't suspect there's an Enantiomorph at play, you're beyond help.

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>>46281698
>upstart topless king

>>46281698
>upstart topless king
What's Vivec got to do with this?

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Stop this bullshit and post your favorite ES helmet design.

>>46281680
>>46281698
Every freaking battle doesn't automatically equal an Enantiomorph, jesus christ.
Also the whole rebel-king stuff is a load of shit

>>46269185
Does anyone else have an opinion of this? And what about Durnehviir, he's rotting?

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>>46281837
The gold-trimmed ebony helm speaks to my soul. Actually, the entire Ebony set from Morrowind was just fantastic.

>>46281838
Dumac and Nerevar were literally two Ruling Kings who saw in each other their equal.
You can't go further than this.

>>46281901
I doubt Dragons bodies even consist of normal matter, they're more temporal than spatial.

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>>46281941
My n'wah. Morrowind ebony set is menacing as fuck.
And then we got this shit.
And then the edgy goldless clusterfuck in Skyrim.

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>>46281837
Middle one is pretty cool, but not my favorite.

>>46281944
Neither were ruling kings

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Honorable mention.

>>46282008
To be fair, it's not too bad looking up until that helmet. And there are mods for that.

As for me, I like the Netch Leather and Chitin helmets. Something about the googles is pleasantly advanced for a fairly medieval setting, and does bring to mind the ashy setting they'd be used in.

>>46281838
>the whole rebel-king stuff is a load of shit

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>>46282138
Can relate to this.

>>46282174
yup
Go ahead and find me something that proves it isn't

>>46282008
Yeah, I know that feel. Morrowind ebony hit the perfect balance of badass and elegant, and then it just kind of went downhill from there. In all fairness though, everything in Oblivion was awful looking.

>>46281821
Everything

>>46282326
>Face of the Forbidden tickle
Where do I get this mod

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>>46282411
I saved this image back in 2014 from a Chaos Heart thread.
Those probably won't be available without this clusterfuck of a mod. If they will be at all.

>>46282411
I think it's part of TR, but I could be wrong.

>>46282208
I'm pretty sure Eat the Dreamer, and Skeleton Man's Interview were the two big ones, but the very fact that the dynamic shows up over and over in Elder Scrolls lore, and that we know explicitly that reality is subgradient, makes it a very reasonable conclusion to draw, especially considering the incredible significance of Auri-El, Trinimac, and Lorkhan's interactions at Convention.

how far are you in ESO, trainwiz (and other anons in this thread who actually play it)?
>last boss in the mages guild questline
>mfw it's just a straight up fight, no serious gimmicks
>mfw boss has huge health bar but i'm keeping pace
>mfw i beat him, but quest bugs and doesn't change him to non-hostile
>rest of scripted sequence plays out while we're still fighting
eventually i had to restart that portion, but it's still one of the better boss encounters in the game so far.

>>46282552
TR has this one:
http://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/42514/?

>>46282583
>I'm pretty sure Eat the Dreamer, and Skeleton Man's Interview were the two big ones
Neither of those sources mention anything about a rebel and a king
>it a very reasonable conclusion to draw, especially considering the incredible significance of Auri-El, Trinimac, and Lorkhan's interactions at Convention
Except in this instance it has literally nothing to do with that. Dumac and Nerevar mythopoetically represent Trinimac and Boethiah at the beginning of the Chimeri exodus and the corruption of Trinimac into Malacath (hence "Dumalacath"). This event has fuck-all to do with the Enantiomorph.

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While we're talking helmets, I should probably give the Steel Plate from Skyrim an honorable mention. That whole armor was pretty sexy.

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And whatever the fuck helmet this is. It's so stupid I love it.

>>46282917
Is this from TR's Hammerfell concepts?

>>46282860
I didn't like most light armor sets from Skyrim, but Heavy armor wasn't bad at all. Iron, steel, plate, ebony, all pretty nice.

>>46282917
Pretty anime, desu.
Also, dat nordic ringmail.

>>46282640
Beat the main and all Ebonheart Pact quests, and I'm about halfway through the Daggerfall Pact line now. Muh shitty control mage as I've dubbed it works pretty well all things considered, and I'm sitting at Vet 3 with a whole lot of Provisioning crap in my bank.

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>>46282953
Light armor was generally okay. Fur, hide, leather, scale - it all fit pretty well with the Nordic look, though I do miss chainmail from Oblivion. Elvish was nice but not the style I wanted. Most of the heavy armors were great looking.

My big problem was that since everything was toned down in some ways, I felt really out of place wearing special-looking armor. None of the NPCs were wearing even dwarven armor, let alone armor sacred to anyone's order or bonemold. There was something jarring about wearing super special armor and just going to buy some apothecary supplies.

>>46283059
Did you know that the Cadwell's Silver and Gold are alternative realities, or you see the past through the eyes of your enemies.

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>>46282971
>dat nordic ringmail

>>46280644
So, Black Marsh is basically ESAustralia?

>>46283174
No, Argonia is ESSubsaharanAfrica. Morrowind is ESAustralia.

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the book Before the Ages of Man said that orcs lived on Tamriel with the other "beast folk" before men or mer got there, but I thought the orcs came from the transformation of Trinimac? So were orcs transformed aldmers or an indigenous beast race?

>>46283208
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>>46259916

>>46283206
>Morrowind is ESAustralia.
Until it exploded

>>46283262
Australia doesn't explode?

>>46283278
I wasn't aware that Australia had a giant volcanic island taking up a huge chunk of it's landmass

>>46283315
Well it has fire tornadoes instead.

>>46283333
So does Texas

>>46283099
I don't like how most of them didn't incorporate any actual pants, just kilts. Skyrim is damn cold, don't freeze your dick off, wear some pants! There's a mod I'm using for it now, they're much more sensible.
Elven was the best non unique imo, glass was alright I guess. Could've been darker.

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>>46283206
I always thought BlackMmarsh as a brazil before colonization or state of florida. Saxhleel themselves where like ancient mayans or inkas. When they stopped building Xanmeers the devolved into modern day African niggers who live in the huts made of shit.

>>46283419
Black Marsh* were*

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>>46283206
Even if you're wrong, you're right.

>>46283419
I kinda figured it as all the shitty swampy parts of the US had a baby with australia that was then raised by the redheaded middle child of the the planet yoda chilled on and the planet that Dune was all about.

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>>46283508
Holy shit.

>>46283419
>Xanmeers
What.

>>46283419
It's because of the Hist, they didn't want the other races to get upset or jealous and launch some kind of dedicated war, so they devolved their manual labor drone's civilization to shitmounds so anyone passing by just kept walking.

>>46283410
I think the lack of pants was to make it feel a bit more dark age medieval. Tunics and robes would be more the fashion then - probably an attempt to create a bit of a contrast between Oblivion and it's more 16th century styles of clothing reminiscent of Shakespeare in some ways.

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>>46283557
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Keystones_of_Loriasel
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sacred_Places

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>>46283959
>The Elder Scrolls Online

>>46283982
>skyrim
oh the irony

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>>46284020

>>46284036
>Memeowind

>>46283982
Do you mean TESO's lore has a huge value even if it's a bag of trash?

>>46284099
It's overrated.

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>>46283410
whoops, last post had a nip slip

probably to give it a sort of classic fantasy artwork feeling, like Conan; something like Frank Frazetta's work

found an article with a bunch of his work http://sequentialartistsworkshop.org/wordpress/2015/09/3388/

>>46284197
man, looking at that link, that Justine person is a bit a degenerate

getting angry when people don't let you in to their establishments, barefoot?

fucking foot fetishists

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>>46284092
>Memeowind
>Daggerlawl
>Oblivleon
>Skyree

>>46284197
I would argue the same, but for the fact that it does little else to promote a classic fantasy aesthetic. Lots of beards (most artwork seemed to prefer cleanshaven men compared to today), horns on only two or three sets of helmets, not many bright colors, no featherhair...

>>46284399
>Dragonlance
my nostalgia boner won't go down.

Agreed on the weirdly schizophrenic direction Skyrim took with the armors, though. I almost wonder if the lioncloths weren't an intentional departure from the clothes that were all over Oblivion.

>>46284603
I argued in an earlier post that Oblivion clothes were reminiscent of Shakespeare and similar designs, so they might have meant to contrast a land strongly tied to its ancient traditions and in a 'dark age' after the fall of an Empire, to the earlier cosmopolitan, civilized, and overall peaceful Cyrodiil.

Or maybe it's because barbarians aren't supposed to wear pants. Or to show improvements in graphics and game design - more realistic movement of clothing and the ability to show off legs with clothes. I dunno.

>>46285155
>barbarians aren't supposed to wear pants
This is the most retarded thing I've read this week.

TR got a new update out, and about time:
https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&confirm=NepS&id=0Bxtf3PaWZqbXTFVJMloxRTQwSWc

>>46285357
What's new?

>>46285366
Just more maintenance and bugfixes, I think they'll start content developing in like the next release or the one after it

>>46285181
Come on, don't act like you don't know the stereotypes. No pants, no shirt - just a loincloth so you can see all the musculature, and a belt for the sword.

>>46285181
>what is a loincloth barbarian

>>46260363
Probably being an ignorant fool, but what is that supposed to be

>>46285794
It's a Skyrim concept art. No idea what it was actually going to be, and I can honestly see why they dropped it.

>>46260363
Skyrim feels so flat. The concept art looks much better in that regard.

>>46285985
How so?
There were quite a few flat plains(whiterun, riften woods, the swamps) but there was equally much mountains, mountainsides, hills and crevices(reach, upper skyrim, the area between riften and falkreath)

>>46286030
Paths in skyrim usually aren't in the flat areas, so unless you're making a straight line from place to place, you're trekking around hills and mountains to get anywhere.
Due to this, you can't appreciate the mountains, as they're all you see. No contrast unless you go out of your way.

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>>46286030
Oh, it's purely subjective, but I guess the root of it is that I really wanted it to be steeper.
Think Norwegian fjords.
Sky-Rim always felt to me like it would be a very mountainous, very vertical place. Where the landscape cut dramatically from deep valleys to high mountaintops, and that vertical expanse would be just as important as other dimensions.
The parts of the coast and part of the Reach felt alright, I just guess I wanted a lot more of that.

>>46286180
>expecting this from a studio that cut the levitation because they didn't want to deal with verticality in their design.

what would be your dream game crossover? (Just dream and don't even think about how it wouldn't be possible)

Mine would be with dark souls
>elder scrolls scope, scale and lore
>Dat combat system
>Verticality for centuries
>you see something in the distance you like?
>chances are its got a huge dungeon with unforgiving bosses
>all the bosses have le deepest lore
It'd probably have dark souls atmosphere aka dark, gloomy and depressing but i'd tolerate it

>>46285181
Ancient Greeks called people wearing pants , shoes and speaking a language they couldn't understand Barbarians

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>>46286354
No crossover. Just a good execution

Pre-Skyrim TES was already perfect on a conceptual level as far as I care
>the engine and movement system make you feel like you have the same technical freedom of movement as in an fps
>shallow action/minigame gameplay elements on top of a system ultimately governed by RPG stats, to give the player a feeling that his skills matter a bit but not too much. improves the "in control" feeling while remaining solidly in rpg territory
>perfect attribute/skill system
>a world that moves on its own; you interact with it rather than it existing to make you into the hero

Oblivion was flawed to the point it's unplayable without mods, but man did it make the future look bright. Then we got Skyrim instead