MTG Modern General

MODERN IS DEAD

>>46234574
>not at bump limit
>not at image limit
OP is a retard

>>46234574
I'm thinking Grixis control. Control seems like the only way to get highly interactive, nonlinear decks.

>>46234574
U W
M E M E R I A

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>>46235110

>>46235554
why are you posting shitty draft fodder in the modern general

>>46235605
This

>>46235605
I am so fucking tired of playing Craw Wurms and 4CMC 4/3s and 5CMC 3/3 Flying creatures in Limited.

Just so fucking tired. They just spoiled a 2/2 Vanilla Werewolf that Transforms into a 4/4 Vanilla Werewolf. And I just don't care about figuring out if it's good in Limited.

I thought I would never get bored of Limited, but all we're fucking doing is using the same removal, same creatures, and same crap draw cards each set. Everyone said original Innistrad was good, and yes, it was, but we were ultimately just hitting each other with Vanilla creatures the whole fucking time.

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>>46235954
>time spiral draft will never happen again in your lifetime

>>46236205
You would think Wizards would use MM/EM as a high powered drafting environment full of cheap but fun shit. Like Conspiracy does for multiplayer.

But no, we get to pay $40 to draft a bunch of garbage, but ayyy it's garbage from the past.

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>>46236308
>tfw my entire sideboard is cards from MMA

>>46236308
>daybreak coronet was a rare

>>46236205
>wizards writes a love letter to its past players with time spiral
>new players obviously don't get it, feel confused
>wizards will never write you a love letter again, because shekels.

3 Blood Artist
4 Viscera Seer
4 Zulaport Cutthroat
6 Plains
8 Swamp
4 Caves of Koilos
3 Cartel Aristocrat
1 Temple of Silence
3 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Rally the Ancestors
2 Grim Haruspex
4 Doomed Traveler
3 Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit
4 Safehold Elite
3 Return to the Ranks
2 Scoured Barrens
1 Godless Shrine
1 Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim

Any good-willing soul to help me out with this decklist, just improve it on two colors.

>>46236574
throw it in the trash desu family

>>46236609

Its a fucking budget deck that i will try to turn into a abzan rally and shit, of course is trash im just trying to make it a little bit less trashtrash.

>>46236695
like it was said, a $600 deck that wins is better value than a budget deck that gets rekt every game

>>46236574
>>>/standard general/

>>46236732
>>46236758

I managed to win a handful of games on cockatrice so im ok with it for a while.
I think the deck needs a more reliable draw source that isnt dark confidant and maybe a more effective way to pull off infinite combo

>>46236732
But a 600 dollar deck he can't play because he can't afford it has no value to him.

On topic, as a budget option, maybe consider proclaimation of rebirth? I don't know enought about the archetype to give you good advice.

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r8 my new LGS

>>46236852
play abzan ascendancy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GTcyzCFj0E

Will Snapcaster be reprinted in EMA?

>>46236862

Thanks for the feedback.
This card isnt that useful on my deck cause 1drops cant combo with bloodartist and cutthroat effects.

>>46236935

Yeah maybe I will need to go for something like that, thing is i really dont have the money for voices and fetches.

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I'm trying to settle a debate here. My friend runs Infect, and he INSISTS that Inkmoth nexus is terrible in the deck. Says the lack of tapping for colors screws him over too much, and that it's better to mulligan down to one of your other infect creatures or at least heirarch.

Is he living in magical christmas land? What happens when he goes t1 elf - then it eats a bolt? I thought the whole point of running Inkmoth nexus was that you don't ever use it as a mana source, but rather as a blighted agent. I mean you can't always have Vines/ blessing in hand right? Am I missing something?

>>46237154
Why are you building a budget version of a shit deck

>>46237161
he's a dumbass

>>46236574
Why not just play pauper? Its cheaper and more fun. You'll get your shit stomped with jank crap like that. Competitive formats aren't the place for new players to learn the fundementals of deckbuilding.

>>46237161
if he's running fetches and shocks he shouldn't be having that problem

>>46237195
I can see his logic that you can't cast a t1 Glistener Elf or a heirarch off it, but why not use it to set up and cast a t2 blighted agent and use the inkmoth in case it eats removal? What if you don't have apostles blessing and they (gasp) have a blocker?

>>46236874
dank/10

>>46237193

I wish I could but theres no pauper tournaments where i live and people rarely play it, unfortunately.
I am competing with ppl that dont pay that much for decks so i just want a deck to play with and win a match or 2 at FNM.

>>46237414
Talk to your LGS employees. Ask around, see if there's interest. Talk about how awesome Affinity or Goblins are in pauper. That's how pauper got started at my LGS. Somebody literally asked the owner to start running pauper. Usually get at least 8 people.

If you're ultra poorfag and still want to play modern, MonoG stompy is the best deck.

>>46236695
abzan rally isn't a real deck either you mong
throw
it
in
the
trash

>>46237476
>affinity or goblins

if u ain't playin delver you ain't playin pauper, that's what my father always said

>>46235605
>>46236609
>>46236758
>>46237173
>>46237545
Welcome to Modern General, if you cant gargle the cum of 7 different fine gentlemen at once while shitting in your fedora go back to casual formats

>>46237624
why would we tell and enable someone to play a shitty deck, modern is a competitive format

>>46237604
Why not play both? the format is cheap is a shit.

>>46237669
dude I play like 7 pauper decksexcept affinity, fuck affinity

>>46237624
>Welcome to Modern General, if you can't win on turn 4 go back to casual formats
FTFY. It's just honesty senpai

>>46237739
What about control anon?

>>46237808
Control wins with setup on turn 4, they just drag it out and bleed you dry for their amusement :^)

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>>46237879
True enough.

>>46237414

From the other thread that got axed harder than Bloom

>But you aren't wasting anything. If anything, the cards you buy that see T1/T2 play are going to hold value or appreciate relatively over the time you build.

>If you spend a "budget" amount on a shit deck, you'll just be left in the "Im here to have fun" bracket with a pike of firewood that could have been fetchlands or staples.

>>46238088
This, desu. A cheap budget deck is a number of T1/T2 staples, or a set of fetches. I just look at my purchases in terms of relative play.

How many standard formats did my deck cost? Probably 2-3. How many drafts did my deck cost? Probably a year's worth.

It's a bigger up-front but cheaper long-term. As long as you're not stupid and playing the best meme decks (like Amulet or Eldrazi, which were obvious bans) you'll end up doing alright. Plus, there's nothing like dunking on some kid's janky homebrew and then crying because he can't afford cards.

>>46238232
>playing the best meme decks like Amulet

Bloom was like a $350 deck, even if a meme gets axed, it isn't like your $1,800+ UR/RUG Twin deck got blown out.

>Plus, there's nothing like dunking on some kid's janky homebrew and then crying because he can't afford cards.

This fampai. Playing Junk vs some kind of Leyline of Vitality ramp deck. Postboard he didnt even get to play a threat, despite me holding up multiple Paths and Decays.

>>46237879
So that's why modern is overrun by control decks, nice!

>>46236574
you need green in that deck for it to be better. you need a better mana base, so its going to be expensive. if you wanna play b/w in modern play tokens. its cheap as fuck and its way better than what you have over there.

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-95-36-tix-modern-white-black-tokens

>>46236205
>>46236495
Kill me now. Put me out of my misery.

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are there any decks that play this bad boy?

>>46238993
it's a sideboard card in decks that have green. Jund, Junk, RG Tron, whatever

>>46238993
I play it in Gifts. Because it's the best lifegain card out there. Sure, some people play Obstinate Baloth for the free-Liliana value and is Bolt proof, but I like that this fucker drops a 3/3. And the 5 life feels a bit better than 4 life.

I know you are wondering about what decks play a lot of copies of Thragtusk but the reality is that Gifts is the only one that has even a remote chance of playing it because the deck itself sometimes doesn't even play Green. The Jund-clones don't seem to be using it at all. You'd rather just Fulminator them to death and just forget the race.

Legitimately tapping 5 lands for a creature just isn't what any deck in Modern wants to be doing.

>>46238993
Sometimes one or two get played in the kikijiki/restoration angel deck

>>46239098
>I know you are wondering about what decks play a lot of copies of Thragtusk

exactly what I was wondering. I know some decks run a few copies here and there but Id like to see it as a centerpiece of a deck but I guess that impossible because bolt is a thing.

I wish ramp was a thing in modern so good big creatures that are not Emrakul or Griselbrand could see play.

>>46239207
Ramp was a thing. Sadly they banned it along with Splinter Twin.

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>>46234574
I'm playing Elves. I managed to enjoy myself despite this harsh colorless winter, but I sure fucking dread the return of Lightning Bolt summer.

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>tfw no counterspell in modern
>tfw no jtms
>tfw no dig

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>>46239693
god bless for no jtms and dig.
Blue would be busted as fuck and everyone would be splashing it just for dig.

I can live with counterspell

>>46239911
Have you ever played with jace in a format where cheap, efficient creatures are a thing?

Dig doesn't make sense in nocantrips.format

DAILY REMINDER THAT MODERN HAS BEEN SOLVED, PLAY 1 OF 5 TOP TIER DECKS OR LEEEEEEEEEAAAAAVVVVEEE RREEEEEEEEEE

We seriously have to discuss dredge decks right now. Gitrog Monster can be a wincon by itself. It literally dredges your whole deck and there must me something disgustingly good to be done here.

What approach should we take? Aggro dredgevine style with a surprise wincon, or something more like a combo deck of some sort?

>>46239911
Wizards didn't let anything happen long enough to make a decision on Dig, seriously. Control decks finally had a semi decent reason to start playing control, and it pushed some new archetypes. Dig/Treasure time was seriously the best time in modern. Everyone had access to new toys and in general, it was a lot of fun seeing how the format was evolving.

But no. They preferred staying in the boring zone and forcing subpar decks for a reason, where there was absolutly no reason to.

>>46240068
Cruise was fucking broken and you know it

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>>46240068
>everyone had access to new toys

>vividely remembers burn decks playing 'Cruise
>recollects midrange going over the top with Dig
>mfw reading this rosetinted post.

>>46240090
>>46240115

As long as Ancient Stirrings is legal, Dig being banned is a straight up joke.

>>46239207
I play tooth n' nail, you won't get much more rampy then that. And you can put any large creature in there depending on the meta. I run hornet queen and thraggy in the side as a 2of

>>46240043

Zombie Loam dredge is fine as it is. It has new tools in SoI like Prized Amalgam, vampire Bitterblossom and that 1cc enchantment that kills target creature in exchange for 1 life, 1 black and 1 cars on top of your library.

Gitgud Pepe is enticing bug 5cc is too steep of a price for the deck. With 5 mana you could be flashbacking Faithless looting, dredge 10 cards off your library and casting Conflagrats for 9+ while enabling hasty Bloodghasts

>>46237161
>Am I missing something?
No. He's a moron. Inkmoth is a fundamental piece of the deck.

>>46236574
This is garbage without green. Abzan Ascendancy, Saffi Eriksdotter, Voice. And seriously only 3 Artists?

>>46238993
Death Cloud

>>46240471
Zulaport Cutthroat > Blood Artist
the "when opponents creatures dies" is irrelevant since there i no kill spells (except against abzan coco where 2 artists prevent infinite life combo)
andthe fact that zulaport is loss of life and doesn't target gets around leyline of sanctity and other shenanigans like this.
But yeah this list is garbage.

>>46240158
>gets 2 cards for 2 mana
>gets 1 card for 1 mana
Please, you're being embarrassingly stupid.

Quick question:
I have Thespian Stage and my opp. wants to destroy it with Tec. Edge.
When he activates Tec. Edges ability, he doesn't have to declare the target, until it's resolved, right? If I want to save the stage, which time do I have to activate the ability and copy a basic land on the field?

>>46236495
That's so depressing. I wasn't playing during TS but man do I wish I was, it's a great set in general

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>>46241154
That's some basic stack knowledge, anon. The ability of destroying Thespian Stage is put on the stack, to which you can respond, for example using your Thespian Stage for something.

That's a bit worrying because this is really important to understand. Would reread stack priorities and such if I was you.

>>46241154
>Thespian's Stage in Modern
What are you doing?

>>46238993

scapeshift has 1 (maybe) on mainboard and a couple offboard, as an alternate plan in case of hate or burn

>>46241341
Haven't played for a long time and a buddy convinced me to play with him today.
I still don't get, whether he has to declare to destroy stage and I can respond with stage or do I have to respond with stage before he announces target?

>>46241342
Modern General is the most active MtG thread on /tg/. I'll get the quickest answer asking here.

>>46241382
Using an ability that target involves chosing a target for it... Same for casting spells that target...
As it as always been the case.

>>46241380
We seriously prefer Baloths because it is excellent against any grindy decks like Jund. Our aim is to survive, so Baloth is cheaper and can swing tempo in our favor against Jund.

>>46237808
Tron wins after resolving Ugin, O-Stone or Ulamog, the game just takes a bit to close.

Short rules question.
If a transformed dfc gets returned to my hand, I can't cast it again, right? Since it has no manacost and all that. Or do I pick up the front face in that case?

>>46236874
do they sell chainsaws?

>>46241980
are you serious?

>>46242052
Yes I am.
And can you supply any actual information?

>>46242067
Go read the fucking rules. If you still don't understand how retarded your question is, this game isn't for you.

>>46242089
I've played the game for a few years on and off.
I have read the rules now and then when necessary.
I just thought people where helpfull here and did not want to go searching in the rules since I also have other stuff to do, then again I tend to forget how elitist many m/tg/ players here are.

So thanks for reminding me.

You people sure like to cry about muh cashualisation but don't actually help new or less experienced players into the game.

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>>46242131
If you had bothered to google "MTG Transform" you would have found, on the very first page, a wiki article including the rules and rulings for cards with Transform.

The pixilated bit is the answer to your easily researchable question. I'm not your mother.

>>46236493
>Daybreak coronet was in a draft set with next to zero support

>>46242198
>I'm not your mother.
Yeah, thank god for that.

Also the page doesn't tell me anything new. Thanks.

I'll just guess that when transformed the back face of the card is treated like any other card and a return effect will return that face of the card and hope it is right.
Which is how I thought it works before coming here.
I just wanted to be sure.

Do you think wizards would ever consider printing a modern masters set that contains currently non-modern legal cards for the purpose of bringing them into modern?

>>46241980
Oh wow

>>46242216
Negative auras in MM15:
>Arrest
>Narcolepsy
>Pillory of the Sleepless
Rare auras that hardly work with DC:
>Splinter Twin
Buff auras in MM15:
>Goblin War Paint

Great "Draft Set", Mark. Of course Daybreak Coronet should only be playable in a red deck!

>>46242295
When it comes to making a draft set they obviously know how to do it , vintage masters was a very fun draft format , at least i felt it was, nice archetypes , solid cards , not many trash rares

>>46242267
No. If they wanted to introduce new cards to Modern outside of blocks, they would have done so with Conspiracy.

>>46234574
rip modern

>>46242357
I'm convinced MTGO devs and the people who put together print sets are wholly unrelated. Online-only sets are based.

>>46242292
I'm assuming the side whichever is up gets returned but I am just not 100% sure about that. I don't want to play with guessed rulings and can't find a it mentioned in section 711, at least not clearly.

>>46236495
i have a solution,all the old players just need to stop playing and BOOOOM they do it because they will do everything for money,Hasbro's biitchees

>>46242387
With the exception of tempest remastered , i never want to see a capsize again

>>46240908
Why on earth is blood artist worth so much if zulaport is much better?

>>46242267
No. It sounds like an okay idea, but I can't see WotC change their policy of how cards enter Modern.

>>46237161
Inkmoth may not give you your colors, but hes fucking retarded if he thinks its bad for infect.

Tell him to switch to affinity if he wants to stop bitching about colors.

>>46242533
Because Blood Artist is from an older set and there weren't any alternatives until Zularport came around. Besides the decks who wanted to play it before Zulaport was a thing still want to play it now.

>>46242401
Did you actually read section 711, or did you just glance over it hoping that what you were looking for would pop up?
711.4a.

>>46242686
Oh damn. I read 711 twice but apparently not as concentrated as I thought.
Thank you very much.

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This HAS to be playable in modern

>>46243550
Standard babbies please leave

>>46243550
This card has the same problem as anthems: they suck unless you have creatures. Lategame, when you are on topdeck mode, this will stink.

>>46243550
It'll make a fun casual deck with intruder alarm, but no. It's not particularly good. You would need a repeatable effect that generates more untaps than it costs mana.

>>46243815
Also, it doesn't stack like anthems. Having one of these on the field makes the others dead draws.

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Modern playable familia?

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>>46244376

>>46244376
Not while affinity and eldrazi dominate

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Now that the full set is spoiled, what are the cards you think will make an impact? Heck just cards you like.

I sincerely want werewolves to be a thing. Pretty strong but it still feels pretty eh unless you put it in a CoCo shell like all tribal decks in Modern

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>>46244755

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>>46244755
I expect this to put in work, both in Grixis (where Bob costs too much life) and Rack (where it can trigger on each player's turn).

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Anyone here playing Abzan Company with the Melira combo?
What do you think about Tidehollow Sculler in the deck?

>>46243550
its unplayable in decks that want dorks, modern doesnt care about durdly cards, even if it only durdles one turn.

>>46244376
>Enchant their guy t1
>t2 bolt
when eldrazi get banned this card will be great.

>>46236205
>>46235954
They're doing a Conspiracy 2. And there also was Conspiracy 1.

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>>46244755

Tbqh this set has got me all giddy. Last time I felt this legitimately excited was Time Spiral. Even if some of the cards aren't all that modern playable, they really outdid themselves with the DFCs and the amount of interesting uncommons and flavornfor the set.

Common goyf coming through

>>46244988
I'm going to try it tonight.

Why don't you test Sculler and find out for yourself if it's worthwhile?

>>46245230
Well I am going to try it out, but it doesn't hurt to hear other people's opinions.

>>46245270
Well, there's so much aggro in my meta, it doesn't sound too exciting.

>>46245203
It it were a 0/5 that got +4/+0 (so it could at least match Goyf at exactly four types) it would be a decent enough replacement for poorfags. As-is it's complete shit.

>>46237161
So beating in with Inkmoth is obviously not your plan A given it "costs 2 mana" just to get 1 damage in with it and it gives your opponent time to draw/tutor a Ghost Quarter, but as a manland it also dodges Pyroclasm and other sweepers. Infect with only 4 Elves and 4 Agents would be pretty shit.

>>46245321
I think Goyf is remarkably better too, but if you're on a tight budget, the fungus might be okay.
Goyf is almost always a 3/4 when you play him and a 4/5 when he can attack

do Grixis control lists still run Pia and Kiran or have they all switched to Kalitas?

>>46245554
Grixis is fucking dead, but Kalitas is better.

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It's shit without Delirium, but does anyone else think this could be decent against combo?

>>46245789
just play infinate oliteration

>>46245929
Infi Obli only hits creatures. Doesn't help against Ad Nauseum or Storm. Not-Lobotomy can also yank value cards like Coco and Chord forever.

how do you guys like my meme deck?

53 Shadowborn Apostle
4 Surgical Extraction
2 Shelldock Isle
1 Laboratory Maniac

the deck obviously isnt competitive but its fucking nifty at the very least

imgur.com/yI9vUIy

posted it to the modern subreddit yesterday and it actually is still there, so thats something.

>>46246203
What happens when you mull down to find Surgical Extraction?
You just do nothing for X turns until you can discard an Apostle?

>>46246362

you mull to 6, so you only wait one turn at best. if you have to mull past 6 you really aren't winning anyways. i mean you arent winning ANYWAYS, but if you have to mull to 5, you're hoping your opponent cant kill a goldfish by t7, and that's like impossible unless you're going against like enchantment control or something.

>>46244376
This is going into my skred

>>46246482
What a meme

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Quick rule question as a new player :

As I understand it, when Kitchen Finks dies it goes to the graveyard, then it triggers, checks if it has -1/-1 counter on it, if it doesn't it get back on the field.

Does this mean that I can exile it while it's on the graveyard with the persist trigger on the stack with something like Scavenging Ooze ?

Alternatively : does it mean that having a Grafdigger's Cage on the field negates Persist ?

>>46246861

correct on both accounts.

>>46247003
Thanks !

I'll defenitely side some cages if I go against CoCo

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>>46245789

>>46243550
I think it could work in Jeskai Combo, probably replacing springleaf drums

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What do you think of Rotting Rats as budget Lili replacement in Loampox ?

It's cheaper, can be cast from the yard and eventually chump once. It's also a creature, which can be relevant if you are siding Gnaw to the Bones for Burn.

>>46247780
What's the rest of your list look like?

>>46247780
Not a lot of people play Lili in Loam Pox nowadays

>>46247857

This is where I'm at right now :

Land (24)
4x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
2x Forest
4x Ghost Quarter
1x Mountain
3x Overgrown Tomb
2x Swamp
4x Wooded Foothills

Sorcery (17)
4x Faithless Looting
2x Flame Jab
4x Life from the Loam
2x Raven's Crime
4x Smallpox
1x Syphon Life

Creature (16)
4x Bloodghast
2x Golgari Brownscale
4x Rotting Rats
4x Squee, Goblin Nabob
2x Vengeful Pharaoh

Instant (3)
3x Abrupt Decay

Sideboard (15)
1x Abrupt Decay
3x Ancient Grudge
3x Duress
2x Gnaw to the Bone
2x Pithing Needle
2x Pyroclasm
2x Rakdos Charm

The SOI art is so fucking ugly. What is going on...?

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>>46247962
It's too clean. It's been that way for a while.

Some of it is still fine though.

>>46243550
Buy it, it's very cheap and you don't know what other people can brew with this shit. also at least you are not dropping 20 dollars in shit like titi and can be used in commander

>>46235110
>Control seems like the only way to get highly interactive, nonlinear decks

Dredge and Kiki-Chord.

Also, Control decks like Esper/Grixis ARE linear. Counter/remove a bunch of stuff until your manlands get the job done. Sure they are interactive, but you can't say that they are nonlinear.

>>46247919
run veilborn ghoul and urborg, drop rats
add zombie infestation :^]

>>46248702
Kiki Chord is boring and linear as fuck

>>46248917
Lol no

>>46248702
>Sure they are interactive, but you can't say that they are nonlinear.

You have no idea what you're talking about. All linear means is that you are more concerned about executing your own gameplan than disrupting your opponents. Burn is linear because all it cares about is counting to twenty in the first few turns of the game, none of its cards care about what the opponent does. Control decks are the definition of non-linear, stop making up definitions because the control player touched your pee-pee.

>>46249171
Nice response

Just because you have a hundred awful choices to possibly make doesn't make it non linear when you'll only choose the right one each time. Not hard to make these choices either

>>46249235
All modern decks are linear you pompous moron. Linear has nothing to do with the level of interaction with your opponent.

>>46249335
What's a nonlinear deck? Don't just say I'm wrong, give me a definition. I gave you mine.

>>46249235
A deck being non-linear means that it has multiple lines of play.

Most control decks don't. They have one win con and one way to get to it, period. Now stop being a passive aggressive bitch and try to learn about what you are talking about next time.

>>46249335
Says the guy which only argument is "it's boring as fuck"

>>46249362
Bad decks. You want to have a linear, focused game plan in a format this quick. If you have a bunch of different win cons and ways of getting there your deck is going to be heavily diluted

>>46249376
>passive aggressive
This doesn't mean what you think it means

>>46249301
Have you ever even played Kiki Chord? What's your list then? I feel like you're just mad at boohoogland or something

Could the Gitrog Monster be good in BGx? Seems like it could be a spicy curve topper

>>46249398
Most control decks in this format don't just go all in on manlands. Grixis alone has delve fatties, bolt snap bolt, kalitas, pia and kiran, batterskull etc. Usually it uses at least a few of those in combination to win. A grixis hand most definitely has multiple lines of play available to it. If your definition of nonlinear is "bad decks" then it's not a very good definition, we might as well not even argue about it. Its pointless.

>>46238716

You are probably right, even though its a unfinished deck.
Other than that, can I use any of the cards listed above in that b/w token deck, the lifegain ones and shit?

>>46249550
Beating face with different creatures is not multiple lines of play. It's still swinging with creatures

>>46249653

You're moving goalposts. You can't come up with a real definition of a nonlinear deck. It's pointless to argue with you if you don't even know what you're arguing over.

>>46249743
No, you're making the mistake thinking it's only you and I in this thread

>>46249548
gitrog monster is dredge tier jank

>>46249548
Pfft, no way. BGx curves out on 4. Why would you have a 5 drop when stuff like Pia and Kiran, Olivia, Huntmaster, Rhino, Kaalitas, etc exist?

>>46249862
Yeah it curves out at 4, but I would absolutely rather have this in the mirror than any of those cards you mentioned. Not only does it draw you 2 cards a turn at least, but it turns all your fetches, Lili discards sometimes, and tec edges/g quarters into draws. Not only that but it dodges every bit of removal outside of pulse and Path, and it's body beats every card they could play. I don't think you're seeing it's potential.

>>46250088
Maro pls go. Pls.

>>46250133
Wow great response, I noted you literally added nothing to the discussion.

>>46250088
It's 5 mana and doesn't win you the game on the spot. It's unplayable in the jund shell.

>>46250088
Look, it's a fine card, but I don't think it's as good in Modern as you think it is. Bob gives you cards at the rate that you should want and you should be pretty close to close out the game with goyf/4drops anyway. I'm not saying gitgud doesn't have its place, but I don't see it.

>>46250333
If you had the option of having any of the other 4 drops GBx played, or this card in the mirror, what would you choose?

Planning on abusing the FUCK out of my new land cards and the spikes I just discovered hidden in my trunk.

Sapseep forest and kazandu refuge, here I come!

>>46249810
Gitrekt Monster enables Frog tribal edh that is all that matters

>>46250333
GBx wants to Grind, and for real this card seems like a beastly topdeck.

>be me, casual player
>be reading the modern thread, remembering modern days
>"muh eldrazi winter"
>decide to dust off blue tron and head down to FNM
>had to investigate
>get locked into a match against a colorless eldrazi.
>assemble tron pieces a couple times over, blightsteel colossus, then next turn gridlock and swing for game.
>look to sideboard after match.
>everything is hate for twin and abzan/angel pod.
>fug, those decks made up 70% of the local meta but are now into banned.
>next round win the same way, but have to make a platinum angel pitstop to not lose.
>got like -10+ life at the end
Tl,dr eldrazi decks are not AS BAD as people are saying, atleast for me.

Also my tron deck is outdated, what cards/combos work well in blue tron these days?

>>46250363
Pia and Kiran. Fliers are mirror breakers and the shock ability isn't irrelevant.

>>46250611

Look, maybe I'm wrong. This could be an all-star. I guess we'll find out in a few weeks.

>>46250295
Your asspain is also noted lmao

Are there no money cards in soi?

>>46250881
Planeswalkers, and that's not really money, only like 10 cards over 10 dollars right now and that's preorder lmao

>>46250685
I disagree with that to be honest, not that Lingering souls isn't great and helps Abzan beat Jund, but I disagree with the fact that you think Pia and Karen are good in the mirror, and would rather have that card straight up in the mirror. Also PnK don't see much play in Jund, so I don't even know where you pulled that one.

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>>46250881
>Titty monster on jewcitygames
>pre-sale Twenty dollary doos
>twenty fucking dollary doos for kitchen table
>wew lad
>mfw

>>46251435
You are insufferable. Fucking meme kiddies

>>46251435
Hey man, it costs money to have people write articles to hype the card up. SCG gotta make that money back somehow.

>>46251522
>in meme format thread
>meme pls go
Pot kettle

>>46251590
>everything is meme XD

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>>46251666
>he doesn't believe in the cream dream meme team supreme

>>46251435
>Tittymonster
What card are you talking about?

>>46247919

You still running the old Loam Pox list? Go with the Squeeflagerate one, it's faster, more consistent and is able to win combo-style with its Conflagrates. Best of all, you don't die to your own lands most of the time since getting double black 2nd turn while expecting turn 1 faithless looking isn't as important

>>46251795
The meme in the ice.

>>46251795
Thing in the ice
(TITI)

>>46251832
Ah, I see.

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>>46251795

>>46251880
Going to wreck the standard meta confirmed.

>>46251880
$20, will break modern
--scg

>>46251937
Go away you retarded name fag

>>46252132
Fuck off jew

>>46252255
>eldrazi totally aren't even good you guys
>this casual trash will dominate a creature heavy standard environment
>namefag

Nah, off yourself my friend

>>46251880
Tbh I kind of want to try this in legacy delver. Maybe just as a SB, but seems like it could have some use.

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These are some really really cute flipcards. Most of them might not see modern play, but damn are they really tight. Way better feel than the ones in OG Innistrad

>>46252460
Can infect run it?

>>46251950
anyone who preorders this for $20 has to be borderline retarded, it is a rare in popular standard set, it will never go above $10 even if it sees play in all formats

>>46251950
>>46252961
My local store is preselling for $13. Nobody is going to pay more than $15, and it'll fall to $6-8 a week after release.

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>>46252647
>T1 glistener elf
>T2 Titi
>T3 buff elf with 4 spells, flip titi, return elf to hand because its not a horror, seems legit

>>46251880
If Insectile Aberration were a Horror this would be infinitely better.
Still combos pretty well with Snapcaster, though.

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>>46250562
fucking finally

>>46250660
I don't think people really play blightsteel, but Ugin and maybe MAYBE new Kozilek are playable

If you are dropping wurmcoils and sundering titans you'll be fine

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>>46252504
I really love all this flip into different card type stuff, like pic related

None of the cards may be any good but damn are they cool, so far this set is better than the last 4 sets combined

>>46250562
>frog tribal edh
>can't run Omnibian
>can't Turn to Frog
what's the point

we need a UBG frog legendary

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>>46253517
flip

>>46253517

Yeah, it's , sets them apart from creature>creature flips. The best part is even the creature>creature dfcs have great flavor and/or flavor texts.

My favorites are Harvest Hand, Autumnal Gloom, Skin Invasion, Startled Awake, Westvale Abbey and Accursed Witch. Really creative and interesting

>>46253640
the only disappointing thing about the DFCs are all these shitty vanilla werewolves

>>46253666

The werewolves are alright. Village Messenger, that hasty 3 drop that allows etb transforms, the old guy that punishes spells played on your turn etc. They're fairly solid gameplay wise, have really witty flavor texts and will possibly play a vital role in competitive play in Standard anyway. They'd probably just cram CoCo in the 75 for it to be playable in Modern like most tribal decks like Elves, Allies and Slivers for them to be remotely playable

>>46249810
>Cast Scapeshift
>Draw 6 cards
>Go get 6 fetchlands
>Crack them all
>Draw 6 cards
>Dredge some Grave Trolls and Imps off your draws
>Draw even more
>Dredge even more
>Go fucking mental

If Wizards had the balls to unban Dread Return the frog could be the centrepiece of a legit Modern dredge deck.

>>46253724
anon why would you want to cast scapeshift without immediately ending the game

I do want to brew up some frog loam though

>>46253724
If you're casting shapeshift you might as well just murder them with valakut

Frog would be pretty sick with dread return though

>>46253757
But the thing is, if you're drawing 12 cards and starting a cycle of huge dredge bullshit, you probably ARE ending the game.

>>46253724

For 5 mana you can end the game in Loam dredge though. Conflagrated for around 9, hasty Bloodghasts and 3-4 zombies are usually Dredge's late game these days.

>>46253790
I guess, but you are probably better off just winning off of valakut triggers if you are scapeshifting, dread returning Frog and then dredging loam into dredging GGT into lab maniac GG seems more reasonable

Full spoilers are out, nothing reprinted of value, how do they expect to sell any of this set without expeditions and full art lands? Can't possibly be on muh lovecraft alone can it?

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I think this is better than forked bolt, even thought it can't hit face

>>46254084
It is pretty ridiculous that they take every possible opportunity to reprint good cards and squander them.

>>46254117
No. Going to the face is definitely important to Forked Bolt's power, but the other part is that you can hit one creature for 2 damage which this cannot. So it can literally only kill X/1s while Forked Bolt can kill an X/2.

>>46254161
>up to

>>46254171
Yes, and? Reread the card. It only deals 1 damage to each thing it targets.

>>46254117
Forked bolt could hit players.

>>46254307
NEW TIER 1

>>46254307
Lightning storm is the superior combo m8. You only need 2 red sources, and you don't telegraph it.

I also like zombie infestation better, since its in color.

>>46244988

>What do you think about Tidehollow Sculler in the deck?

Good interesting option because you can Sac the Tidehollow Sculler immediately in response to its ETB trigger and exile the card permanently.

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>mfw nothing in soi interests me for any of my decks so i can put the money aside for EM

>>46254490
With Seismic Assault you can go off as soon as Gitrog hits the battlefield (a turn faster than Lightning Storm). Either way though, you are telegraphing something unless you are going off on 8 mana

Infestation is a neat idea, but with how Gitrog is worded I don't think it works as well as you think it does

>>46252961
just like thoughseize yeah?

>>46254806
What do you mean zombie infestation wouldn't work? You just need 2 dakmor salvages, but that's easy as shit to get in your yard.

>>46254895
>discard 2 dakmors
>draw 1 card
>only get 1 dakmor back

It's the same way that Sidisi is worded and functioned

>>46253724
Same goes for you, sac 6 lands draw 1 card

>>46255095
Ah, was misreading the card. It's still not the worst combo I've seen, and might be worth including over the red combo pieces purely due to color consistency, or letting you splash blue.

Borby is probably better than seismic, if only because he also is a goryo's target. Which gives you some flexibility. Actually, gitrog monster might work in grishoabrand now that I think about it. It gives you more green spells to exile for the shoals, and can act as griselbrand 5-8. I'll have to take a look at some lists.

>>46254894
Thoughtseize was a reprint of an already expensive card, Titi is kitchen table jank

Now that we no longer have core sets, where the fuck are we going to get reprints from?

There wasn't a single relevant reprint in this set.

There's like, Dead Weight, Macabre Waltz, Lightning Axe, Puncturing Light, Tormenting Voice, Mad Prophet, Ghostly Wings, Gloomwidow and Fiery Temper. I probably missed a few, but that's because they are so irrelevant I didn't even know they existed.

All those cards have one thing in common, and that is being worth less than 10 fucking cents.

How are they going to address the rapidly increasing card prices?

Those "limited print run" bullshit things they pull achieve fucking nothing.

>>46255492
>How are they going to address the rapidly increasing card prices?
They're not.

>>46243550
some junk with lingering souls?

>>46255492
>Those "limited print run" bullshit things they pull achieve fucking nothing.

Except making them a shit ton of money from people playing booster lottery, i am totally surprised there were no expeditions or at least a foil mythic snap/lili chase in this set 13 year old who like vampires and werewolves wont buy enough of this set to make it valid

>>46255492

You seem to be under the impression that Wizards doesn't make intentionally shitty products. They do. They'll continue to until it stops making them tons of money.

>>46255959
Protip, large companies will stubbornly lose money because of hubris.

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>TFW they completely used this art for the wrong card

Easily could've been devilish tutor, searches cards with madness or flashback for 2 mana.

>>46253481
I've always used blightsteel.
If I can drop blightsteel early, and keep him on the field, then tap every damn thing the other guy has and attack with him next turn, it's a win.

>>46255989
I wouldn't say they're losing money now. But they are on the right path to sabotage their future earnings.

Magic is dying in small communities. While the Kitchen Table money will always be there, the FNM crowd is diminishing - yunno, the crowd that tends to go to large events and do all that free marketing for Wizards. In small communities they can't afford to suddenly lose 10-20 players; FNM stops firing. People clearly see how expensive Constructed it. $100 Jaces are nothing to brag about, it is NOT something Wizards should be bragging about "it creates perceived value"; you can only say that if players are fucking retarded - and guess what, they are retarded but there's also a portion of children that realize that a game that demands $400 in four pieces of cardboard is not something worth paying for not when there's an XBox that costs the same.

Wizards can brag about the growth of the game all they want. It is true in large cities where there are huge pools of people to draw a player base from and sufficient events to keep them interested. The growth in small communities is near-death and when they die and the stores die due to online sales there is no fucking coming back. The economy is in the shitter and small cities and towns are no longer growing and everyone who would live in those towns, fuck, and have children to buy your card games are leaving - for large cities.

>>46258671
the problem with blightsteel is that it costs 12 mana, which is minimum 5 tron pieces, which makes it hard to leave up countermagic to protect him from the rampant terror that is path to exile

Wurmcoil can come down the turn you get tron online with mana remaining to condescend and closes out the game in 2 or 3 swings with pseudo indestructable

against the greedier decks sundering titan can be a 1 sided armageddon and end the game in a couple swings

and Ugin is usually a 1 sided boardwipe followed up with bolts every turn until you win

and all of these cost less than blightsteel

>>46254731
>mfw between SoI and Eldrazi winter I'm seriously considering just playing EDH and casual
>mfw I literally have no image for my level of disinterest in competitive constructed right now

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>>46244755
I'm making modern werewolves, it'll be fun im sure

>>46259378
if you call losing fun, go ahead

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>>46259501
Never hurts to do something different nigga

>>46259378
>>46259575
If you are gonna play a 2cmc spell that can only hit creatures and only if you have werewolves out and even then may not kill the creature, you probably aren't going very far

>>46259575
What kind of high school motivational bullshit excuse is that? Of course it is going to hurt. Try this meth, it's a new experience, it can't hurt.

And like meth, your wonderful journey to buying this stupid werewolf deck is going to hurt every step of the way. And you are buying it, because if you trade for cards you are trading your value for garbage. And once you've spent your money, you're going to lose, because this is Modern we're talking about so your Mayor of Avabruck isn't going to flip unless you more or less Time Walk yourself - and it eats a bolt or god forbid you actually give them 1-mana Time Walk and they Repeal it. And depending on how stupid you are, and you are stupid for getting this far, you're going to throw that deck against the crucible of Modern until either you stop from the pain of losing or you're an idiot masochist who enjoys losing.

This isn't personal. And I'm not angry. I'm just saying you sound like a fucking moron and this sort of positive hope for a thing that has no hope is why the community remains so goddamn ignorant.

>>46259716
>not playing on cockatrice for free
>not building werewolf stax to force flips.

shiggy diggy doo shaggy, I hope you don't do that.

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>>46259716
Jesus man calm down its just a game hory shiet

>>46259716
lol u mad rustled triggered nigger xD lmaooooo

>>46259716
This guy is pretty much the avatar of modern

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>>46259716

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I'm a shitter playing a tribal skelly deck in modern. It's mostly casual play but I love muh skellies.

This fucker is gonna be a new addition to my deck to go along-side my tenacious dead and re-assembling skeleton.

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If I make an mtg finance thread it's just going to 404

If a card has an average buylist price of half of what the card is selling for, what does that indicate for the price in the future? What if the buylist price is much closer to the actual price?

>>46259716

They said the same thing about Elves anon, and now it's a solid tier 2 deck. Stop being so mad holy shit

>>46260364
elves wasn't a new deck

>>46260413

It wasnt a thing before CoCo and was stuck with janky Beck/Call variants

>>46258827
I have wurmcoils and one titan, but no ugin.
As I see it theres one more difference between ugin and blightsteel that sways me more toward the latter. That difference is that I own a blightsteel.

>MaRo flipping his shit and screaming at a fan over calling their stupid oath team the Jacetice league
I dont know what people did for entertainment before the internet

>>46261590
Lol'd so hard when I read that hahaha

>>46259799
As silly as this is, it actually could work with only minor adjustments to the comprehensive rules. It might even be okay with only some minor balance tuning.

>>46260428
>before CoCo

Wow, really? It was considered a bad deck after it lost its engine, until it got a new one?

>Glimpse is gone, deck is shit. Deck gets CoCo, becomes tier 2

The difference being that memewolves didn't get a Bloodbraid surrogate to back it, it got a ton of impossible to flip garbage, just like the last Innistrad block.

>>46262381

CoCo was branded a meme card when it came out too.

Face it, majority of players are terrible when it comes to evaluating cards. They're also spoiled too, that they need to be validated by some pro to say that a brew is good instead of trying to figure shit on their own. Not saying werewolves will be a thing, but when someone literally loses their shit and spergs out like the class act a few posts above, you'd realize people would rather hinder creativity than enable it

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>>46235554
Who thought this was a good idea. Horrible reprint of a mechanic that got perpetually buffed for its cmc.
it's a bad Thirst for Knowledge.
Why make a card that does what other cards do worse?
>mub draft
Man it sucks that the game being based around such an environment hinders how based some cards could be. EDH and modern get a bone every once in a while, but that's because of the flexibility they give to rare cards. I just wish they made slight altercations to existing cards instead of printing bad versions.

>>46262521
>when someone literally loses their shit and spergs out like the class act a few posts above, you'd realize people would rather hinder creativity than enable it
Everything he said was correct. It's a bad idea that will get smashed by any "real" Modern deck.

>>46262521

>When CoCo came out

I still remember that shit

>Lol it's shit, the RNG will make you whiff and won't give you the creatures you want!
>You have to limit yourself to 3cc and below!

It singlehandedly revived Pod from the grave and spawned support for tribal decks that had its fair share in the limelight

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Won enough store credit tonight that, after trading in my non-foils, I have my 2 foil Cavern of Souls and Wanderwine Hubs on order.

wew

>>46262540

I actually kinda like the current design, but I wish they would give Standard a little bit of credit.

I mean the perspective of NWO is basically that the commons/bulk uncommons are going to be firewood anyways, why not design them coherently so draft is at least sustaining?

Granted, they don't have to keep things at piss level like they have been, but from a new player perspective, it keeps things accessible, and keeps them in the shop drafting and building.

Looking at the Time Spiral/Innistrad draft environment, it was a blast, but it wasn't exactly easy for newer players to turn up with some sleeves and have fun.

I really think that Wizards is missing a huge opportunity to make something like MM/EM the high-octane draft environment of days past. They functionally have unlimited design space, and players are already paying a huge premium to draft it. Why not make a set that veteran players actually WANT to pay a premium to draft? What is the point of bulking out MM/EM with not only worthless, but useless garbage?

>>46262630

What to name it?

>Foil Fish
>Literally Tin Fins
>Mercury Poisoning

>>46262611

>It's a bad idea that will get smashed by any "real" Modern deck.

How would you know this? Just legitimately curious. The guy isn't out there to make the next tier 1 deck but he's already getting shutdown.

>>46262540
In defence of wotc, this card was designed as a madness enabler. Thirst for knowledge has anti-synergy with that mechanic.

What I do find pretty bad is the new really bad frantic search. The need to change the wording on those types of cards seems like wotc assumes that the average player is too braindead to understand how triggers stack

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>>46262654
Well, since it went from non-foil to foil over time, I decided to name it...Sea to Shining Sea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ3jLoNSXqk

>>46262611

Just like when Thought Knot Seer and Reality Smasher came out and I said an Eldrazi deck will finally be tier2-tier1 everyone laughed at me

>>46262685
But anon, it's not going to be a Tier2-Tier1 deck next week :^)

>>46262685

Im sure TKS and Smasher will really have huge impacts on Modern after any of their 2 Sol Lands/Workshops are banned fampai.

>>46262709

After it singlehandedly destroyed this format and left a smoldering rubble of shit, of course it won't. No format deserves to be treated like that. To think I just wanted a fun Eldrazi deck that can win a couple of FNMs and if turned out like that

>>46262721

Of course it fucking wont when it gets banned, because it's already proven it's point and raped every deck in Modern. Back then though, this place was all "no Eldrazi is a meme deck, RG Tron will dominate the GPs" and look where we are now.

Even after all this whole fiasco you still get cucks like>>46259716

Will werewolves be a thing? Will dredge be a thing? Who the fuck knows, but holy shit people like that should already know it's not a good idea to put in the final word like that, and in an already cringeworthy way

>>46262753
>no Eldrazi is a meme deck

It is literally the definition of a meme deck. It will be gone in a week, the same way that Delver came and went.

>RG Tron will dominate the GPs

No, people were saying in the absence of Twin, there was nothing stopping Tron from completely shutting out any kind of Control deck, while still blowing out midrange decks.

Thats still true until Eye of Ugin gets banned, but the aggro heavy meta and complete folding to Eldrazi has kept Tron in check by way of turning the format into some kind of retarded "goldfish and count to 20/10" race.

>>46262753
WotC wants the game to have a midrange vs aggro meta. Any sort of combo or control deck will not find support if wotc can stop it

>>46262796

Define meme deck.

Also when Kozilek's Return got spoiled this place has been a shitstorm of "Tron will finally get rid of infect and Affinity."

>>46262796

>but the aggro heavy meta and complete folding to Eldrazi has kept Tron in check

You say this like Eldrazi was already an established thing prior the PT. The Eldrazi deck we all know only came into fruition after PT OGW. Before that you only had the processor build which has an equal standing with RG Tron but destroys BGx decks

>>46262824
....and? There was only one event before the PT, and it was completely overrun by Burn and Infect.

As someone who was on the "Tron will dominate the format" train, I believe the only thing that will hinder RG Tron post-Eldrazi will be deck memory tertiary hate intended for Eye/Temple.

>>46262847

Well, that was the point. The evaluations this place has are off the mark most of the time. When Twin got banned, RG Tron was constantly touted as tier 0, especially when Kozilek's Return got spoiled and players started putting MD Spellskite again. Eldrazi (processor) was touted as nothing more than a passing fad which is true to some extent even though it completely dominated the online rankings 5 weeks in a row. When TKS, Mimic and Smasher got spoiled, again this place discredited the archtype as nothing more than a fad. When the core Eldrazi list finally perfected itself post PT OGW and showed how dominant it was, this place was salty about it.

Of course it won't make any impact in the next couple of weeks, but the point still stands that this place (though not limited here) is terrible at evaluating cards and predicting future metagame, and that people like >>46259716 should off themselves on top of getting so mad over someone else's decision to do what they want with their money

Are they ever going to fix the lack of good, universal answers in modern? All the turbo linear strategies might not dominate the format if bringing answers wasn't a deckbuilding trap

>>46262894
Your werewolf list will be shit, bub.

>>46262925

Im not even the same anon who wants to make the deck, im completely indifferent about it since I dont even know what the meta would look like after SoI and the bannings, but sure go ahead and shitpost if it makes you feel good about yourself.

>>46262670
Draw 3 discard 3 is always better than draw 2 discard 1. Its the same, but with an added draw 1 discard 1.
A free loot!
Unless your vs mill.

>>46262916
>Chalice of the Void
>Engineered Explosives
>Blood Moon
>Dismember
>Grafdigger's Cage
>Fracturing Gust
>Ghost Quarter

>>46262916
The problem with modern is that deck consistency is banned in the interest of competitive diversity

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Will faeries ever be a thing again? T_T

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>>46258693
It's been more than a month standard didn't fired at my FNM.
Meanwhile at least 15 players for EDH at the same time.
Modern struggle to fire at 8-10 people

Not so long ago the store was packed full.

hello darkness my old friend ;_;

>>46262978
Only if Combo decks take over. Stop using emotes. That's not even your die.

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>>46258693
My town of 7,000 people has a store that has Standard and Draft (alternating) fire every week.

Always a few people in there playing casually.

Course, I gotta wander 30min down the road to one of four store firing on FNM if I want to play Modern.

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>>46262999
:^)

>>46263031
timestamp+tits or gtfo

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>>46263042

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What are the current ban odds?

Eldrazi Temple?

Eye of Ugin?

Eldrazi Mimic?

I want to make an Eldrazi deck desuuuuuu

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>>46263042
I know its not his die because those are the pictures Chessex emailed to me before I bought them.

>>46263059
Eldrazi Temple 100% because it's non-legendary.

Eye of Ugin 50% because it enables degeneracy, however it is legendary and able to be worked around.

Eldrazi Mimic 0%. They would rather hit the combo-enabler than the combo piece as Amulet Bloom showed us.

>>46263101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLQtsIhkH1w

>>46263101
>UltraPro
disgusting kill yourself fampai

>>46237161
He probably doesn't want to pay $160 for some faggy ass man lands

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>more flip cards

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>>46263702

>doesn't like flip cards

>>46263702
>>46263748

At least most of them actually have something interesting associated with flipping them this time.

>>46263139
>kill yourself fampai
>fampai
Go away.

>>46263059
Source on this gif? (and no I don't mean Jurassic Park). I can't remember where I've seen it before and it's driving me crazy.

>>46262630
What's your sideboard like? I've recently been running 3 chalice of the voids and loving them.

>>46262999
8rack and Lantern are better vs combo.

>>46264518
>>46264518

New thread

>>46263702

You're crazy.

Several of the new uncommon flip cards are pretty great.