MtG Spoils thread

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Ever After is CUTE!

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>Slayer

oh come on, we know exactly what you are going for WOTC.

where's our "Slayer" Maria, half-vampire on the humans side using blood-arts?

we all know this set took a heavy dose from Bloodborne, and they'll fully fucking admit it if they introduce any sort of Old God thing like Emrakul in the 2nd set.

>>46227408
Yeah, that's cool. It blocks for days until more of your dudes start transforming

>>46227442
Or you just put a +1/+1 counter on her.

>>46227438
I'm sorry they didn't put your OC in the set

>>46227408
>2 mana 3/3 blocker
>transforms into a 2 mana 4/4 beater.
Goyf of standard

>>46227459
where the hell am I supposed to find a +1/+1 counter? they don't grow on trees

>>46227475
I didn't create Bloodborne, so how could Maria be my OC?

I just want them to go all the way with the "inspiration" they are clearly drawing from a game that had a similar theme to their first set.

>>46227408
girls can't do shit other than suck dic

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>>46227438
>a common word translates into bloodborne ripoff
You niggas, I swear.

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>>46227499
They do, in fact, grow on trees.

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big spoiler dump

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>>46227581
I of course, mean the entire set, beasts and cosmic horrors run amok and oh look, an Ayy LMAO Old god Drazi comes out of the ocean.

them pushing the "Slayer of beasts" into the story only strengthens it.

and hell I'd just like a cool creature that cuts people up with blood thrown from their sword.

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>>46227408

>>46227644
Fox tribal when?

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>>46227638
also the focus on the moon, they took a set that Bloodborne had alot in common with.. and made it even more like bloodborne.

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>>46227499
this gives you that counter you need.

>>46227408

I would love to use it in bant COCO, since 50% of the deck is played instant speed, but the 4-power restriction on the main side may be to big of a restriction. Sylvan advocate and a +1/+1 counter with dromoka's command may be the only way to activate it. (and an unmorphed deathmist, but no, never happening).

>>46227722
I just showed you the card to use to activate it.

>>46227603

>>46227663
other than the kitsune on Kamigawa, there are probably only about 3 other foxes

>>46227684
you'd think liliana would have some empathy for what she's talking about

>>46227408
>Turn 1 Oath of Nissa
>Turn 2 This girl
>Turn 3 Howlpack Resurgence and hit for 4

Solid curve i guess

>>46227728
Green fall of the hammer? Nice!

>>46227728
Wait, is that a tail slash style effect in green? At common? For two mana? I thought Green only got Fight for removal?

>>46227778
we don't even get divination anymore? Fucking new world order.

>>46227775
MaRo said something around the time that Oath came out about moving that effect from red to green. Same with making Red secondary in reach

>>46227502
Do you know what came first between your precious edgy game and the Innistrad sets?
And totally unrelated but, are you 15 years old?

>>46227728
probably going to be a pauper cube staple as it is easy removal in green.

>>46227795
>We are back into the land of 2-4 mana commons that only have flavour text.

Drafting is going to be somewhat a pain in the ass

>>46227778
I almost got excited. Then I realized it Said two cards.

That's all for now folks

>>46227778

Oh for fuck sakes that last sentence of flavor text. It's her fucking field journal, you don't write that super passively until the final publication.

>>46227816
Both of those are retarded. Why are they taking shit away from the color that already has the least stuff

>>46227765
Maybe she does, and she thinks shes pathetic. Either that or wizards is continuing the trend of writing planeswalkers as parodies of themselves in flavor text.

>>46227644
>>46227754
>>46227795

>Vanilla creatures

absolutely disgusting.

>>46227871
Flanderization comes for all

>>46227856

I think both colors get the Fall of the Hammer effect. And Red is GETTING reach from green, not the other way around.

>>46227778
I know it enables both Madness and Delirium but it just seems so bad.

>>46227676

Bloodborne was released 2015. Wizards make the cards two years in advance.

>>46227807
>Reprint of card that predates divination and any cards that are are functionally identical
>Card is more complicated, being both an instant and having a discard effect
>Discard effect is an upside with madness, a very complicated mechanic
>Card is a common

>>46227884
>>46227825
Are people so fucking spoiled that they think Magic should evolve past the inclusion of vanilla creatures?

>>46227818
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>>46227676
The moon thing was part of innistrad long before bloodborne yo

>>46227905
While the mechanical design occurs 2 years in advance, I feel there are plenty of last minute things that get jumbled around.

Art and Fluff in particular.

>>46227807
>>46227841
This a reprint morons. This isn't even the first time they've reprinted it.

>>46227933
i'm aware, that's why i said it, they took a set that had similarities.. and only furthered them in a sequel set.

>>46227856
Because green is supposed to be number 1 in making creatures work for them for everything and this effect is the better version of "fight" thus making it weird for red to have a better fight than green, the creature color.

Or so he said at least

>>46227891
That's stupid, red has always had flyers because of dragons.
Oh right, everyone likes dragons, so we had to that THAT away from red as well. Fuck Tarkir.

>>46227818
Immolating Glare what happened to you

>>46227778
Tamiyo looks ridiculous with anything resembling realistic art, they really need to stick to stylized stuff with her.

>>46227438
Why are Dark Souls/Blood Borne fans always the absolute worst

>Removal is so shit in this format that creatures will be able to finally last a turn and do something instead of relying solely on ETB creatures like rhino and such to be effective.

What a time to be alive.

>>46227919
I think people are complaining cause, unless they're super mana efficient, they make boring spoilers

>>46227948
They already established that tamiyo was investigating the innistrad moon back in avacyn restored

>>46227962
>implying Tarkir was the first time we had dragons in every color.

>>46227978
It gives you life now anon it's totally so much better.

>>46227962

The reach thing is more of a limited tool for common/uncommon; flying dragons are difficult to print at lower rarities (injured or baby dragons tend not to fly).

Tarkir was a one time "EVERY COLOR GETS DRAGONS WEW LAD" thing.

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THALIA SPOILED WHEN

>>46227990
These aren't even actual spoilers, stores have received their stock now that spoiler season is about to end and are just posting cards now.

>>46227884
These seem to be from a product for new players, so they would have a few vanillas just to get new players into the basics.

>>46227825
It's actually an official rule that every set has to have a few vanilla creatures in it. I don't remember why, probably for limited reasosn.

Though I'm not sure what to think of vampire noble being a functional reprint of barony vampire.

>>46228015
Sucks vs. Topplegeist

>>46228018
EMN, if at all

>>46228018
Some time in May would be my guess.

>>46228038
Thats most likely when they will reveal who is big bad. Wacky emracky or marit lage

>>46228018
Maybe next set? We already have a legendary human, but no legendary zombies, spirits or werewolves.

>>46227948
>>46227438
>>46227638
>>46227676
Bloodborne was released a year ago. Are you really suggesting that they decided to abandon their seven year plan in favor of creating a block all about a video game completely unrelated to their company? By the time Bloodborne came out last year, they were likely putting in the final stages of playtesting and development.

I'm sorry but your precious game really doesn't matter that much. Innistrad and Bloodborne just steal from the same source material now get the fuck over yourself. They're both all about a mashup of gothic horror and eldritch horror, do you really expect them to be all that different from each other?

>>46228018

They'll turn Thalia into the new guardian angel Angel somehow, won't they?

>>46228018
Next set, anon.

Also, calling it now: the reason the werewolves are mostly sucky, and the reason there are so many normal wolves, is that they have just got their powers back, and are still weak. Next set we will get the legend and the powerful ones, as well as a zombie lord and at least 1 mechanic from the first block.

>>46228069
Or some newfag

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>>46227438
>Muh Slayer
This card was printed in original Innistrad, three years before Bloodborne came out.

ur dum

>>46228018
We've already got one white legend this set. You'll have to wait for next set, unless she's green or something now.

>>46228030
"limited reasons" is retarded, I haven't played a vanilla creature that didn't have somewhat decent stats in draft in a decade.

and no one else does either.

>>46228069
What does that have to do with anything?

>>46227778
Why does Tamiyo look like an old granny in that picture?

>>46227945
No need to be an asshole anon.

>>46228133
Because Tamiyo doesn't look like a real human so trying to draw her realistically looks like shit.

>>46227962
Well the green dragons were shit
useless even in EDH
should never have been printed

>>46227778
I honestly don't think this is that bad in Standard. Semi-cheap instant speed draw is great and the discard is almost an upside with madness, delirium, all these cards that can come back from the graveyard, etc.

>>46228133
>>46228155
It's just shit art in general. The lines on her face are her tattoos, the shading just makes them fucking look like age lines.

Why has Magic art been so fucking pathetic recently?

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>>46228227
you wut mate.

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>>46227438
>Slayer

oh come on, we know exactly what you are going for WOTC.

where's our "Slayer" Buffy, half-demon on the humans side using martial arts?

we all know this set took a heavy dose from Buffy the vampire Slayer, and they'll fully fucking admit it if they introduce any sort of Master thing like Baron Sengir in the 2nd set.

>>46228287
repentant vampire from Odyssey was based on Angel

>>46228287
Alright now someone do one for van helsing

>>46227408
not bad

>>46228287
>where's our "Slayer," Buffy?
On the Odyssey printing of Gallantry. Christ anon, lern2lore.

>>46227884
Muraganda incoming.

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>>46228287
>Slayer

oh come on, we know exactly what you are going for WOTC.

where's our "Slayer," half thrash, half speed on the humans side using heavy metal?

we all know this set took a heavy dose from Slayer, and they'll fully fucking admit it if they introduce any sort of sick guitar riffs in the 2nd set.

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>>46228262
mono-green dragons
also she should have been able to hit players too

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>>46228015
thanks.

>>46227662

>"Woooooo! Bah - shape up boy, if I'd been an angel, you'd be neck deep in your own entrails right about now. And another thing, where's your helmet? I don't even have a head and I remembered my bloody skullcap."

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>>46227807

>>46228454
Is that a helmet? VANITY!

>>46228287
>Vampires
>The Moon

oh come on, we know exactly what you are going for WOTC.

where's our "Slayer" Belmont, a human using a whip to defeat evil?

we all know this set took a heavy dose from Castlevania, and they'll fully fucking admit it if they introduce any sort of whip-wielding human thing like Thraben Valiant in the 2nd set

>>46227743

> Implying I'll ever put that shit in my deck ever until rotation
> Implying that card was even passable in the last and only working itteration of hardened scale in standard, aka deck-that-was-efficient-4-and-a-half-minute-during-its-standard-life

>>46221502
CHALLENGE

Design a Hydra that fits in Innistrad.

It should have art description, name, flavour and mechanics that make it uniquely Innistradi. Any one of those should scream "Hydra that can only have come from the plane of Innistrad".

Bonus points for a creature type combination other than Hydra and Hydra Horror.

>>46228227
Dragonlord Dromoka and both Atarkas are plenty usable in EDH, pretty sure Dragonlord Atarka saw actually competitive play too.

>>46228534
Bro, people are going to insult you and tell you to go to the custom card thread. I'm telling you, before it happens, so please stop.

>>46228534
Does it also need to be green?

>>46227710
Oh I remember this guy.

>>46228534
Zombie Hydra stitched together from multiple giant snakes and other corpses

Power/toughness are based on the number of creatures in your grave, and you can exile them to regenerate it

>>46227816
>>46227775
>>46227856


Maro talked about this in his Drive to Work podcast. The train of thought basically goes:
>Flavorfully, and based on the color pie, which color has the best creatures at fighting?
Green, obviously.
>Then why does green have fight cards which are strictly worse than cards which deal damage to creatures based on power? It's not like red needs direct damage based on power. They already have direct damage period.

>>46228549
atarka still sees play.

>>46228534
Werewolf hydra
WW4
When werewolf hydra comes into play transform it into each head.
1/1
@
4/4
Werewolf hydra has a werewolf for each head. When werewolf hydra dies, cast 2 or more spells this turn, drop it, flip it and reverse it.

>It only hunts the weak

>>46227778
Who knew they would reprint an Urza's Saga card?

>>46228574
Yes, monogreen mythic, to fit the same slot in the set.

>>46228591
Very original and very Innistrad concept and mechanics. I was being too harsh not allowing Hydra Horror too.

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>>46228534
I tried.

>>46228534
stitchers hydra xUGG not sure on mana cost really

zombie horror

comes into play with x +1/+1 counters.

If damage would be dealt to ~, prevent that damage. Remove a +1/+1 counter from ~ and put a 1/1 zombie token into play tapped.

*/*

art is just a bunch zombies and other shit stitched together.

>>46228611
What the fuck does this even mean?

>>46228701
The werewolf transforms into the heads.
THe hydra has 1 head for each werewolf.

>>46228668
>GU
>not GB
>Menace
>zombie
>GU

You should have put the "horror" subtype on it to more accurately describe this abomination.

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>>46228611
Good job.

>>46228668
Stop lying.

>>46228668

You made it absolutely shit, good job.

>>46228084
Even worse, humans will realize the power of friendshi woth the werewolves and banish Emrakul from the plane with their combined friendship, then Vampires join in because why not and the three live in harmony on Friendshipstrad, which will become Wizards' new pet plane like Dominaria.

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>>46228611
>drop it, flip it and reverse it.

>>46228549
see>>46228423

>>46228653
Cryptolith Hydra
X3G
Creature - Hydra
When ~ come into play investigate X
Sacrifice a clue token: Regenerate ~
4/4

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>>46228727
>>46228805
The hydra is a wolf hydra. It grows independent heads like a wolf pack. You represent it as one of those heads at a time, while the others in hiding. It can attack as both the bottom and the other side. It is a 1/1 wolf and a 4/4 pack leader. When the pack leader dies you get more 1/1 wolfs. They run away and replace themselves so you get infinite wolves as long as you don't sacrifice them or get exiled.

>>46228534
Shambler Brood Hydra
4GB
When Shambler Brood Hydra takes damage, you may pay 1, if you do, put a -1/-1 counter on Shambler Brood Hydra and put a 1/1 zombie snake token on the battlefield under your control

>>46228815
Actually no let me redo that the idea isn't bad but it's not flavorful enough

Cryptolith Hydra
XG
Creature - hydra
~ comes into play with X +1/+1 token
When ~ leave the battlefield die? put X clue token equal to the number of +1/+1 on ~
GG: regenerate ~ investigate 1

>>46228653
Glad you liked it. I managed to make myself sad about the lack of a zombie hydra though

>>46228254
Because they pay their artists shit.

>>46228534
Geralf's Hydra - 2BG
Creature - Zombie Hydra
When Geralf's Hydra enters the battlefield, sacrifice two creatures.

Sacrifice a Creature : Regenerate Geralf's Hydra

Delirium : Geralf's Hydra has no ETB

5/5

>>46228857

Right, now please make this card with proper wording.

>>46228534

Well, no idea for a hydra... but I'd really like to see a Rat King card now.

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>>46228534
It's not a custom card thread m8, but here you go.

>>46228534

Stitched Hydra- XUG

zombie hydra

Enters with X +1/+1 counters

Trample

UG, exile X creatures in your graveyard: Return ~ from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped

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>>46228534
Corny as fuck flavor text, i don't care.

>>46229042
>but I'd really like to see a Rat King card now.
Well now so would I.

It would have to be Innistrad or Ravnica.

>>46229000
Oh right, Hydra effects, make it regenerate and put a +1/+1 counter on it

>>46229083
that should at least be a 3/3

nth for pepe

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>>46229128
Probably one of my favorite cards this set. The hypnotoad joke was pretty lame, though.

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>>46229096
>>46229042

>>46229180
That card kinda makes me want to build jund with mina/denn.

>>46229215

It works pretty well with Sesmic Assault and Dakmor Salvage.

>>46229121
You're right on the toughness, but wrong on the power, imo. But since asymmetrical P/T's aren't good design for a hydra, I erred on the side of caution.

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>>46229096

>>46228534

Lunatic Hydra
3GG
Creature - Hydra
G, Discard a card: Put a +1/+1 counter on ~
Delirium — At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are four or more card types among cards in your graveyard, return a nonland card of an opponent's choice from your graveyard to your hand.
5/5

The discard ability is inspired by similar abilities on cards like wild mongrel and lotleth troll. Delirium lets you use the Tasigur ability on your upkeep. There's inherent tension because the opponent can give you cards of the right type to turn off delirium, but you can pitch stuff (potentially the very cards they give you) to the first ability to turn it back on. The cost and p/t are adjustable.

Unfortunately, I think this card might be more G/B than monogreen.

>>46228721
Skaabs are blue.

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>>46229258
Please stop

>>46228611
>drop it, flip it and reverse it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAjR4_CbPpQ

>>46229265
>Unfortunately, I think this card might be more G/B than monogreen.
Returning cards and +1/+1 counters are both green individually even if the overall effect has a black feel.

Also in Innistrad black's discard matters and graveyard matters leaks into every color, like New Phyrexia's black leaks.

>>46229358
>Now they call him their first lord.

God-tier flavor text.

>>46228534

Scavenger Hydra

2GG
4/4

At the beginning of your turn, discard a card.

Delirium: When ~ is dealt damage, transform it at end of turn.

Ancient of the Wilds

13/13
Trample

>>46229559

From the upcoming SOI artbook? I guess the next page is somewhat less cheerful.

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>>46228534
Not going for bonus points, just going for a Hydra that uses a mechanic that actually in the setting.

In this case, it's a hydra that gets angrier the closer it is to discovery. The more clues you assemble and the more its presence is investigated, the more violent and vengeful it gets.

>>46229650
I don't think a Hydra would really care about being discovered. Just if you trespassed it's territory or not.
>FUCKING HUMANS GET OUT OF MY SAFESPACE REEEEEEE

>>46229639
Yeah it is form the artbook.

>>46228534
Wildwood Ancient 3G
Creature - Hydra Eldrazi

Reach, Vigilance
As you cast ~, you may exile any number of cards from your graveyard, ~ enters the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it for each card exiled this way.

1/1

>>46228534
Vampire hydra

2RR
Creature - Vampire hydra

Trample
Whenver Vampire Hydra deals combat damage to a player, put a +1/+1 counter on it

3/3

>>46228534
3GG

Trample, Reach

If a creature you control dies, put a 1/1 counter on Ulvenwald Hydra

At the beginning of your end step you may sacrifice a creature, if you do, put two 1/1/ counters on ulvenwald hydra

Makes it more BG but fuck it, I am lazy. It eat things. Slap some flavor text about it eating angels.

>>46229650
You missed the point of the mechanic. Actually discovering shit is done sacrificing the clue.

You made an hydra that gets mad when its shit is found but calm down when you discover that is its.

>>46229773
Sounds more like a dragon to me
>Dragon get stronger the more clue "loot" it has
>Spending the hoard make it weaker

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>Eldritch Moon comes out with a new mechanic "great for limited"
>Uncover
>Reduce the CMC by 2 for every Clue sacrificed this turn
post yfw

>>46229763
Wait, even better
3GG

Trample, Reach

Hydra Horror

If a creature you control dies, put a 1/1 counter on Ulvenwald Hydra

If a creature that was dealt combat damage by Ulvenwald Hydra died this turn, put a 1/1 counter on it

At the beginning of your end step you may sacrifice a creature, if you do, put two 1/1/ counters on ulvenwald hydra

"Ulvenwald chickens must be huge to leave these kinds of feathers" -Dumb villager

>>46229828
Dragon of greed 3RR
Creature - Dragon

Flying
At the beginning of your upkeep and when Dragon of Greed comes into play put a colorless Hoard artifact token onto the battlefield with "sacrifice this artifact; add <> to your mana reserve"

Dragon of Greed gets +2/+2 for each Hoard you control.

3/3

"Treasure is its own reward"

>>46228534

Creature in the Swamp - XBG

Legendary Creature - Zombie Hydra

~ enters the battlefield with +X/+X counters on it.

At the beginning of each upkeep, if ~ killed a creature in the prior turn, it gains +1/+1 counter for each creature it killed.

2G: ~ fights target creature.
2B: Regenerate ~.

Art Description: show a large, multi-headed hydra/lizard knocking over a tree, a fleeing villager while another villager or two are in one of the mouths or about to get snacked on, maybe one of the villagers is in the air, flailing about as a head is ready to eat it. The heads should all look to be of different shapes/sizes, coming from different animals, all stitched together to one rotten, flesh-decayed body.

Flavor Text: We know not where it comes from, only that it's hunger is unending.

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>>46229773
>>46229681
Fair point. I think I've come up with a solution.

Horrific gribbly monster bursts loose on the opponent and it cannot be stopped by mundane means! Are they able to solve the mystery before it kills them to fucking death?

>>46227765
Liliana failed, sure, but she didn't fail so hard she DIED.

>>46228254
>recently

>>46230064
they could just kill it by activating the Clues

maybe if it had haste

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>>46227328
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>>46230064
The funny thing is that that way the best way to solve the mistery is just to destroy all the clues.

Pic related is probably the best investigator ever and has a tv show.

>>46230181
they do have to spend mana to use the clues, unless they had some other sac outlet.


>>46230064
the clue effect is neat, but hexproof/indestructible on a creature like this would probably be broken fast.

>>46230146
doesn't change the fact that she's acting like a faggot about it

>>46230212
Yeah, you just need a +1/+1 global effect or a way to put a +1/+1 counter on it and it becomes a nightmare to rid off.

>>46230181
That's the point. Unless they have a sac outlet, they need to spend almost twice as much mana as you spent on putting the creature out on destroying it.
>>46230212
I'd go with either indestructible or hexproof then. Probably hexproof, since half the removal currently in standard outright ignores indestructible through exile.

Part of me thinks it'd be a bit more effective with the cost taken up to XGG and the bonus from clues being made into +2/+2. But this isn't /ccg/, I'll take this there instead.

>>46230064
>can be chump blocked
>dealt with Terminus, Edict, mass exiles
>gives opponent card advantage

It's trash. At least give it trample.

>>46227620
Oh, when a strictly better version of uncommons gets printed at common, no one comments on it, but vice versa, no we can't have that.

>>46230290
>dies to ridiculously specific removal
not even vintage players are that anal

>>46229871
>eldrich moon has a set of 2/3/4 mana artifacts that turn your clues into scry1+draw1 (is there a card for this?)/ponder/brainstorm

If Eldritch Moon has a mechanic I want it to be an ability that grants a variable bonus "at night" the way werewolves do; if there were no spells cast last turn.

>>46229180
MYTHIC rare pepe and dredge combo enabler.
wizards are fucking pushing it with power creep

>>46230354
Dude, it's an Ivy Elemental that gives the opponent free card draw.How much mana are you going to pay for it? 3? 4? Congrats, you could have played a Goyf, Werebear, Mongoose or whatever the fuck else instead.

>>46230431
>clues
>free card draw

>>46229180
>>46229180
>>46229180
>>46229180
>NO DANKTOUCH

FUCK YOU ANON

HOW COUL YOU

MESS THIS

WHAT EVER YOU EVER DO WITH YOUR MISERABLE LIFE

AND YOU CAN'T EVEN DO THIS PROPERLY

FUCK YOU

Take this shit to the /ccg/ thread.

>>46214854
>>46214854
>>46214854

>>46227778
>Three mana for zero extra cards

>>46228597
Makes sense to me. Red needs mechanics, but not variants of direct damage.

Wouldn't mind Thorn Elemental's ability going to red though.

>>46228423
Atarka costs less than Bogardan Hellkite, is much larger, and has trample. And you want her to be even better?

If they'd printed that, people would've just bitched about them making mythics too strong.

>>46230528
I didn't make it. Change it yourself if you're so upset. If I recall someone complained about it then too.

>>46228597
>make spells weaker than ever before, push creatures hard
>then make red's creatures completely worthless, defend this by saying "but red has spells!"
Wow great planning Maro. You accidentally almost made red slightly better, can't let that happen.

>>46230654
But Atarka has 2 colors, no flash and can't deal damage to the face.

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Would this block be good to return to MTG? I haven't seriously played since Kamigawa, was thinking of maybe making a budget W/R, W/G, or R/G deck if those are even viable.

I don't really know where else to ask here

>>46230186
It is Savage Surge with upside. Of course you do.

>>46230685
Red not getting Fall of the Hammer doesn't make their creatures any worse.

>>46230728
I think it would, actually. Some sets are rotating out, so decks are going to be cheaper and manabases are going to be more simple.

>>46230728
Eh, just casual MTG? Sure. Do whatever.

Standard tournaments I would skip.

>>46230771
>make red's creatures with a high power but laughable toughness
>take away red's ability to capitalize on this
How does this not make them less useful?

>>46231011
I'd rather they print Flame Slashes and Roasts.

I liked that aspect of Red too, but it really didn't make much sense, since it usually was dead in a way that just straight creature damage never is.

Soul's Fire effects that hit face will certainly never be green.

>>46227778
Should have been Careful Study.

>>46230806
>>46230783
I'd mostly be playing on FNM nights, so I guess i'll wait.

>>46227856
Because MaRo doesn't want Red to be playable as anything other than Blue's bitch. He's even been working to solve the Burn mistake with stupid ammounts of lifegain.

>>46231101
As long as you dont expect to win much, you should be fine

>>46231101
Eh, if you are playing FNM, it is possible it is draft. Our shop has draft as FNM. This looks like a good draft set.

>>46231155
I think what they might be trying to do is push Red to a higher curve. That would make the most sense if they wanted to 'fix' it, but it does mean RDW becomes more difficult.

>>46231155
>the burn mistake

please elaborate

>>46228254
Because they pay the same as Legend of the Cryptids and that one lets you draw lewd grills without SJW bullshit art directors so all the best young talent is somewhere else.

>>46227680
oh shit Green/White Weenie incoming

>>46228727
>>46228805
>>46229379

/tg/ doesn't know missy elliott

>>46231293
:^)
4 Thalia's Lieutenant
4 Servant of the Scale
2 Citadel Castellan
3 Dromoka's Command
4 Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
3 Avatar of the Resolute
4 Collected Company
3 Den Protector
3 Fortified Village
2 Canopy Vista
13 Forest
4 Plains
3 Kytheon, Hero of Akros
3 Declaration in Stone
3 Consul's Lieutenant
2 Topan Freeblade

>>46231241
The goal of red is to lose at every interaction. One time red made a deck that focused on not interacting and instead chucking burn spells at the opponents face until enough hit to end the game. It was a mistake.

>>46231571
anon you didn't even include Lambholdt Pacifist

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>>46231571
>no Sigarda

>>46231699
What's that one?

>>46231727
>>46227408

>>46231740
cool
ill throw 2 or 3 in

>>46231227
That would be okay if either
1. Red had more rituals
2. High cmc red spells paid off extra. Which isn't true. There's a reason red decks only need three or four mountains at once, all the good cards are low cmc.

>>46231571
I'd play it

maybe huck some Odrics or Sigardas in place of the walkers

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Why didn't Tamiyo get a card?

>>46231884
Kytheon isnt even meant as a walker
I just use him as a 2/1 human most of the time

>>46231915
probably saving her for Eldritch Moon

because, you know, Moon Sage

>>46231915
Next set.

>>46231915
Jace looks like he's having a fucking blast

>>46231915
They made her one then Tandris'd it into Jace.

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>>46228534
>>46228668
>>46228687
>>46228815
>>46228921
>>46228974
>>46229000
>>46229050
>>46229083
>>46229650
>>46229714
>>46229714
>>46229758
>>46229763
>>46229898
>>46230055
>>46230064

>>46230335
>nobody complains when they make something better but people complain when they make something worse

You don't say.

>>46232004
I don't buy it, because that ultimate is pure Jace. Tamiyo's original doesn't care about bouncing; it occupies cards that are already in play.

>>46232258
I'm sure you'll prove me wrong them EMN comes out with a new Tamiyo.

>>46231915
>moon sage
>eldritch moon

Gee anon, I don't know

>>46227438
>>46227638
>>46227676
DIFFERENT GOTHIC HORROR STORIES USING THE SAME COMMON GOTHIC HORROR TROPES?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUV54XBidzU

>>46231915
If Tamiyo can fly why doesn't she just grab Jace and scoot them both away?

>>46231915
Because every idea they came up with they decided would work better for Jace because Jace gets all the blue abilities to himself.

>>46231723
This picture makes me so mad.

>>46232483
And they're both planeswalkers. They could both just planeswalk away from trouble.

>>46232526
y u mad at mama meme wolf?

>>46232324
>Dragon's Maze

>>46231949
>eldritch moon
>moon sage
now we know who's behind all of this.

>>46227438
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightmare_Creatures

The elements of this very momentarily popular game you have invoked have been done already. On the Nintendo 64. And by the old gothic horror writers of the late 19th and early 20th century. This set began development long before it released, not 6-12 months ago. They are all strangers in the night riding the same train of influences, not the dogged copies of each other.

>>46232565
>y u mad at papa meme wolf?
FTFY

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>>46228490
It's been done already. Only she made her lash from devil tails.

>>46227438
Everyone should know the Maria waifu owners should not be listened to.

>>46232970
I love innistrad's designs. Might be tempted to buy the artbook.

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>>46232970
>500x366

>>46232872
just give up already man

>>46232872
She is not canonically referred to using male pronouns though.

>>46227647
Roost In Pepperoni Birdo

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>>46233083
>1200x877

>>46229180
Why is this meme tier exactly?

>>46233194
is this from final fantasy? so many belts

>>46233301
Yeah it's from Final Fantasy 13: Lightning Gets Personal

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>>46233301
やれやれだぜ

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>>46233345
>>46233301

>>46233179
>He is not canonically referred to using male pronouns though.
FTFY

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>>46233353

>>46233428
You're still using pronouns that are incorrect in accordance with canon.

>>46233489
Please give the werewolf tranny my apologies. I didn't mean to offend him/her/them/xir.

>>46233514
>>46233514
Xe'd prefer if you would addres at Xim as a Xe

>>46227818
Not immolating glare, but it doesn't need to be. You're throwing a freaking sword. And it works.

>>46233597
Flavor aside, I would still rather use Immolating Glare over this. 3 life isn't worth the 2 mana I could be using on something else such as another Immolating Glare.

>>46232134
that actually looks pretty good desu

>>46233719
It's pretty shit. The actual hydra we got with that art was better.

Is it just me or is mono-Green really bad in this set?

Like the RG planeswalker is nuts and all hail the Gitrog Monster, but god at everything else.

>mythics are EDH fodder: the card and a hydra that just reminds us of Primeval Titan while being 50 times worse
>rares are dumb stupid garbage like copying all your creature tokens for 4 mana or a Maro werewolf (because the regular werewolves weren't garbage enough)
>commons and uncommons are all limited filler

Does WoTC hate Green again

>>46233781
Dude, green got Inexorable Ooze. Fuck off.

>>46233749
Well it wouldn't have made constructed decks, but it would have interacted better with the mechanics we got and been much more interesting than the shitter we got

>>46232559
Nigga, they can't planeswalk willy-nilly, they have to do a thing beforehand. Their spark ignition teleports them quickly because it's the initial trigger, not the way they naturally 'walk

>>46227777

>>46233854

That varies with practice - see Vronos and Jace both planeswalking with a seconds' notice.

Of course, it didn't really help poor Vronos.

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Hope you like the red Villagers of Estwald.

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>>46234048

>>46234048
>>46234077
Couldn't they have at least stuck Menace on it or something?

>>46234048
why isnt it a 3/3 and must attack each turn?

Is it just me or are the werewolves somehow even SHITTIER than last time around?

Is it just me or are the werewolves somehow even TRANNIER than last time around?

>>46233854
Planeswalking requires timing and preparation except for when the plot requires it doesn't.

Is it just me, or does white have way more removal than black in this set?

>>46234048
>>46234077
Perfect example of why werewolves are so boring. Transforming from a vanilla creature into a slightly bigger vanilla creature is the biggest waste of transforming.

>>46234321
>whining about commons
>whining about tribal limited fodder

>>46234220
Is there some joke I'm missing here

>>46234354
Look at "Arlin" Kord's art.

>>46234354
Arlinn Kord, the new werewolf planeswalker, looks kind of mannish. Personally I'm convinced she's just getting old.

>>46234077
This must be one of those bad cards that Maro so desperately insists is necessary for a card game.
Should have went with a more generic flavor then, the idea of a convict escaping and embracing the monster in him is wasted here.
What are the rules on non-evergreen keywords? This would have been a neat place for the one that says "if an opponent loses life this turn, it enters with a +1/+1 counter"

>>46230728
WR Allies Equip is very cheap and strong to play at FNM,

>>46234401
Are you mad her werewolf form doesn't have tits?

>>46234473
Bloodthirst? Yeah, that would have been a good fit.

Really, the biggest disappointment for this card is that it has pretty cool flavor, but nothing to represent it. It's not pushed at all, and it doesn't even have some wonky stats like being a 5/2 when transformed. It's just a Bear that turns into a Rhino.

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>>46234354
>>46234401
>>46234419
Literally Bruce jenner
>buckle up bukerooo

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>>46234473
Wouldn't be the first time Wizards took a card with great flavor potential and did nothing with it.

>>46234538
Next you're going to try and convince me that Nissa is actually black, right?

>>46234579
Nissa isn't black. She's African-American. Get it right.

>>46234516
Yeah, that's it. I was stuck thinking it was bloodlust.
A 5/2 would have been neat. Threatening but easy to deal with.

>>46234503
No but I bet "she" is. "She" will probably walk the planes looking for somewhere with hormones.

>>46234516
Honestly, it being vanilla is probably why it ended up having cool flavor. More room for flavor text and less mechanical constraints on it.

>>46234630
Wow, you're still really butthurt about a company trying to diversify their playerbase. Alesha really riled you up, huh?

>>46233781
almost everything is bad in this set idiot, the only good thing is red/black vampires

>>46234352
>people have already accepted that commons are garbage now and only limited fodder

good goy

>>46234659
I still wish they could have tweaked it a bit. The addition of an evergreen Keyword on the flip side or a change to the P/T to make it a bit less even would have done wonders.

>>46234709
>A common 4/4 for 3 with a relevant tribal subtype is garbage
It's not even a real common, man. It's a common DFC, making it a super common.

>>46234670
tl;dr everything we don't like at the time is against the rules.

>>46234789
You're the one shitposting.

>>46234769
>It's a common DFC, making it a super common.
Huh? Is this a really terrible joke about how it's two cards in one? Or do they really print more dfcs than other cards at the same rarity?

>>46230374
>is there a card for this?
Opt

>>46235035
You're guaranteed 1 dfc per pack. There are far less DFCs than there are regular cards, so you're more likely to get a given DFC than a given regular card of the same rarity in any given pack.

>>46234048
>>46234077
Should have been

>Front, 3/2 for 2R
>Back, 4/3 with Menace

>All these flip cards.

I can already feel my sleeves ripping, which brand isnt absolute shit and will last the entire standard season?

>>46235213
Sleeve the checklist cards, have the actual DFCs on standby double pennysleeved.

>>46235213
Just do what the poorfags at my LGS do: use the checklist cards and have the flip cards on standby

>>46227871
Liliana is a parody of a angry 17 year old fat chick who created a chaotic neutral necromancer for DnD and tried to be as edgy and offensive as possible.

As a character, only fat chicks like Liliana.

>>46230601
but a graveyard is a second library yo

>>46235035
If this follows the old innistrad pattern, a dfc card is not included into the usual count. They're like a bonus card behind the rare.
And the usual question is, yes, rare or foil dfc is also not included in the usual count, so theoretically you can get a mythic, foil mythic, foil mythic dfc in one pack.

>>46228133
Because Wizards hires shitty artists these days.

>>46235805
>These days
They've been hiring Rebecca Guay and Wayne Reynolds for years though.

>>46235561
Second hand. A second library wouldn't really be useful as they were in a library before you drew them too.

>>46235839
>shitty
>Rebecca Guay

See, this is what hiring shitty artists does. It teaches kids to not even be able to recognize good art.

>>46235932
Been playing since Black Summer, chump. Guay is a hack and should stick to fairy art books.

>>46235956
No wonder you think Guay's art is bad. You're so old that your eyesight is shit.

>>46235786
Whoa, free extra card. And here I was thinking how much it sucks being someone who doesn't like werewolves. That's actually a pretty good solution.
Does that mean they ship with an extra card, or does it take the place of the token?

>>46235993
I bet you think Lisa Frank is the pinnacle of High Art.

>>46236039
It will take place between the rare and token.
One thing i forgot is, did they take one common away for the dfc card.
Anyway, who cares right? it's just a common.

>>46235786
So if im to weigh the Booster packs, theres a much better chances of finding a foil card in this set than in the others, the last set i did some weighin was in origins and got a Foil Mythic along with a Flip Walker with his Checkcard on the most heavy pack of them all.

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>>46236122
Holy shit, do not google Lisa Frank.

>>46236211
You didn't see that shit in elementary school?
Frank is personally responsible for an entire generation's terrible cutesy art.

>>46236194
>things that didn't happen

>>46236211
How do you not already know Lisa Frank?

>>46236293
It DID happen. It was Erebos Titan foil and a Kytheon. I was so confused when i saw the foil Erebos Titan first before the rare, i told the shop owner, wait Dude, isnt the Foil the last card always??, then i saw the next card and it was Kytheon along with his checklist card. Then i realized if i would have used that luck to open a BFZ pack, instead of such a shitty Foil Mythic i would have gotten an Expedition.

>>46236122
Guys, I found the new staple for modern burn.

>>46235538
I think I can confirm that on my LGS.
But, again, all chicks are fat on my LGS.

>>46236338
Then you got it on coincidence.
I've tried weighing booster packs using those micron scales and it's all over the place.

So is the rest of the set being spoiled tomorrow?

Are there any rares left to even spoil?

>>46236706
Madness goyf :^)

>>46228416
>half thrash
FULL FUCKING THRASH

BONES AND BLOOD LIE ON THE GROUND
ROTTEN LIMBS LIE DEAD
DECAPITATED BODIES FOUND
ON MY WALL, YOUR HEAD

>>46227663
Kitsune u casual

>>46228534

1RG
0/0
Hydra Elemental

Trample

As an additional cost to cast <name> discard any number land or creature cards from your hand

<name> enters the battlefield with x +1/+1 counters where x is twice the number of cards discarded to cast <name>

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What if wizards was just putting all these clues in to fuck with us and then just did something intentionally dumb. Like it was all just one giant prank done by sorin and nahiri

>>46237555
Surprised you didn't give it haste as well.

>>46237583
>It was all an elaborate distraction by Sorin, Avacyn, Nahiri, and Tamiyo
>They needed to keep him busy so the rest of the Gatewatch could prepare a surprise party for him in Ravnica

I wouldn't even be mad