EDH / Commander General

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Jank means Gitrog Toad + Dredge Shit + Discard Outlets that don't have to be good to make a Hermit Druid deck.

>MTGO makes tuck cards useless since they can choose to put it in their command zone instead
>MTGO you can't put your commander in the graveyeard
wtf is this shit? Why are they so retarded with commander?

>>46211534
>MTGO makes tuck cards useless since they can choose to put it in their command zone instead
That's how tuck works in paper EDH as well now. They changed that rule a good while ago. Yes, it's fucking stupid.

>>46211623
>tuck cards arent allowed yet shit like tooth and nail is
Makes sense to me

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Why the fuck is this card so expensive?

>>46211676
looks really strong to me, anon

Kinda off topic, but I can't seem to find a straight Answer... So I have a question. I'm running a green white EDH commander deck. I want to put the new colorless Eldrazi in it, my question becomes, the new colorless mana doesn't give them a color identity right? that only happens if they have an actual color??

>>46211676
>being able to regenerate everything on your board you can pay for
p good card

Also based Ferguson art

>>46211691
>3 mana for anthem
>regenerate is B in a 5-color deck

I don't see a reason why. Like, I really don't. It's double the price when compared to Pulmonic Sliver, which is from the same set.

>>46211740
There are 2 other good Slivers that let you regenerate, and one doesn't even cost mana.

>>46211725
They are colorless. The ONLY thing that has changed about the way colorless mana is used now is that it can be included in casting costs, and has a mana symbol. Nonbasics tapping for {1} now tap for <>. That's it. It's not as hard as everyone made it out to be.

>>46211725
Correct. Eldrazis color identity is Colorless and can fit into most commander decks.

Actually, now that I.think about it, is there any legal commander that can't have colorless cards?

>>46211764
Way better to tap B and keep it on the field than fucking up your draw for at least a turn

The flying on Pulmonic is nice though

>>46211771
Okay that's what I figured. Thank you for the clarification

>>46211676
>never reprinted
>in the most popular casual tribal

it's price reflects that, it's not like it's Snapcaster levels of never reprinted.

>>46211809
How are you going to generate so much B in a 5-color? It becomes a hefty task when you have 3+ slivers, and you should be doing something with all that mana anyway.
Pulmonic also has a 'may' clause, so it can only fuck up your draws if you get Mindslaved.

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I wanna get back into MtG but I forgot the rules and shit.

What's a good site to get individual cards from? I always meant to get some vine trellises and sporecap spiders for my deck...

>>46211764
because pulmonic sliver is shit lol

>>46211654
It's because people feel bad when they get their commander tucked.

I'm not making shit up, it's the actual reason they changed the rules. Well, one of the reasons. Other brilliant ones included "it's forcing everyone to play blue or white" and "it's forcing people to run tutors to get their commanders back".

I can't believe you missed that shitstorm.

>>46211852
But that can be said about most slivers, and it's double the price when compared to some actually good slivers. It just doesn't add up.

>>46211864
tcgplayer to buy online
LGS if you need commons and uncommons, if they charge more than 25 cents for any of them it's a ripoff

tappedout for decklists

>>46211534
>>46211623
>>46211654

Please stop.
We've been over this.
>Commanders with hexproof/shroud/flicker/etc. are more powerful by default with the existence of tuck.
Narset? Stronger? Stop.
>It promotes running decks with commanders that aren't overly important. Otherwise anyone with a budget can't make a deck by virtue of needing to dump loads of dosh into tutors and protection--taking up card slots and taking out wallets.
I hate fun, too.
>It has no purpose flavor-wise in the format. Commander was created with the ability to put your commander into the command zone for a reason. The goal was to be able to build a deck around one card. Tuck was not an anticipated thing at the time of EDH's creation, and as such no rule was implemented to address it. Tuck was a loophole in the rules, NOT an intentionally created weakness for generals.
Fuck off with your tuck circle jerking. It doesn't make sense in the format, and if you choose to play with tuck in your meta, you're going to have worthless decks anywhere else you go.

>>46211864
Magic Card Market is nice.

>>46211937
>>46211972

Awesome, thanks!

>>46211864
You can sometimes find cards for cheaper on Ebay than TCG player, but you need to sometimes get a refund if the card doesn't make it to you.

Only happened to me once though, and I've saved tons of money using ebay. Picked up a Crucible of worlds for 50$ the other day saving me at least 20.

>>46211963
>We've been over this
Yes we have, and the tuck rules change is as retarded now as it was then. I don't see your point.

>>46211798
>Actually, now that I.think about it, is there any legal commander that can't have colorless cards?
Every commander can run any card with a colorless color identity.
Pedantic aside: colorless cards do not necessarily have colorless color identity, see Bosh, Eldrazi Displacer, etc.

>>46212110
I'm not trying to defend it I'm just saying its stupid when shit like tooth and nail exist that pretty much end the game when you cast them. 9 mana really isnt that much in commander

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I like this card and I think I'll try something with it. Any tech idea you would have for it? Except for the obvious dredge and Titania I mean.

>>46212110

>>46212286
was meant for >>46211963

>>46211963
go to bed sheldon

>>46212311
The new colorless "pay 3 back from grave" land

>>46212311
Relentless rats

>>46212286
A lot of tooth and nail combos can be stopped with instant speed removal. Krosan grip crushes Mike and Trike, Sudden Spoilings really just ruins the whole thing most of the time. You're only ever actually fucked if the combo is etb on the fetched creatures. Otherwise every other player needs to not have: counterspells, instant speed removal, or turn-long effects.

>>46212311
Any retrace but especially worm harvest, cycle lands, mox diamond, the new recurring land card, terravore, crucible of course, centaur vinecrasher.

>>46212311
Crucible, landfall, and animating lands to trigger death effects.

>>46212549
>animating lands to trigger death effects.
Holy shit.
You can now have actual use for Life part of Life//Death

>>46212311
>read story
>this frog is creepy as fuck
>go read about real frogs and toads
>HOLYFUCKSHITCUNT
>nature is scary as fuck

>>46212286
>>46211654
T&N's legality in the format has nothing to do with the tuck rule change. Shouldn't you be shitposting about Craterhoof needing a ban?

>>46212492
Grip will never stop Mike and Trike unless your opponent allows you to stop them.

>>46212311
Next time someone complains about land destruction, tell them to play that instead.

>>46211963
I'm reading this and I can't even tell if you're defending the rules change or complaining about it in a sarcastic way.

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>>46210928
I wanna make the blue player in our group cry, /tg/.
anybody got secret hate tech?
>pic related is his commander

>>46212311
The techiest thing I could find is probably something like Nantuko Cultivator, Edge of Autumn, Greenseeker, Realms Uncharted, Constant Mists, Harrow, Squirrel Wrangler, Sylvan Safekeeper, Worldbreaker.

I wasn't going to keep looking, but there ya go.

Also, unrelated, but I finally found some cards that work well with Geist and I threw together a decklist. It is trash at the moment, hardly any utility, a lot of redundant theme cards, but fuck is it fun and surprisingly cool for a UW deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/geist-odd-combat/

>>46212652
Uh. Not the anon you're responding to but I run Mike&Trike as an alternate win con in Grenzo and I had actually never thought about playing around Krosan Grip. I guess it just never came up. I can see it now, and I'll do so in the future.

>>46212683
>every thread
Are you the Scarred Puma and Craterhoof poster too? Have you thought about stopping?

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>>46212683

>>46212311
Squandered Resources

>>46212696
You need to add Teferi's Veil to keep those combat tokens

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>>46212683
>>46212750
>my craterhoof meme is spawning new memes

>>46212732
>>46212652
Thinking some more on this, playing around Krosan Grip means you're no longer playing around things like Swords to Plowshares, right? If you make the Triskelion ping itself, hold priority and remove the rest of its counters to damage other targets, it's going to come back from a Krosan Grip but it gives your opponents the perfect opening to Swords to Plowshares it. Which is generally much scarier than Krosan Grip. Is there some other ordering I'm not thinking about?

>>46212800
Not new memes, just more paranoid witchburners too afraid of getting rused to post anything constructive. Good work I guess.

>>46212800
Enjoy it, it's probably the most important thing you've ever done or evil will.

>>46212791
702.25k Phased-out tokens cease to exist as a state-based action. See rule 704.5d.

I wish. I did consider that card since it works with a lot of the other cards, but I ended up passing on it.

Thanks for taking a look at it though. Any other effects like that that spring to mind? Also, I need to ask a judge about all these Sundial interactions, the program I use to test my decks for gags clearly is fucking them up.

>>46212867
>evil will
ever. Fuck this, I'm too drunk to be here.

>>46209910
Odric tech cont. from old thread
keep it coming

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>>46212851
>>46212867
secret tech?

>>46212819
Calling out the Grip does leave you vulnerable to exile, yes. It's obviously not always the best play to make, just something to keep in mind when you suspect it.

>>46212887
Aegis Angel, Angelic Overseer, Bastion Protector, Champion's Helm, Swiftfoot Boots, etc.

Honestly, this is the easiest thing in the world to look up. Just search for a good ability in colorless and white. If you are particularly saucy, you could check lands too, as magiccards.info seperates lands and other colorless.

http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3Ahexproof+c%21wcl+-o%3A%7BB%7D+-o%3A%7BU%7D+-o%3A%7BG%7D&v=card&s=cname

>set out to build Skeleton Ship half-tribal
>SoI gets announced
>"Oh goodie, better wait with buying the deck, I'm sure there'll be some nifty skellies in this!"
>spoilers halfway through the set
>no skeletons

I've gotta say, I'm disappointed as shit about this.

>>46213242
http://magiccards.info/query?q=t%3A%22skeleton%22+%28e%3Aavr%2Fen+or+e%3Adka%2Fen+or+e%3Aisd%2Fen%29&v=card&s=cname

Two. The original set had 2. And they were both draft fodder.

>>46212921
What an original joke, I've never ever seen anything like it. So funneh xD

>>46213100
Why is champion's helm 8$? aren't there way better equipments?

>>46213336
it's a good way to give your general hexproof

>>46213336
Check the number of printings of it out there.

Hydra Omnivore was like, 18 bucks before Conspiracy.

A lot of stuff that was printed solely in Commander is like that. Look at Collective Voyage, 12 bucks. It is because no one thinks to keep copies of these trash cards around after cracking open these things and then four years down the line when Johnny Fuckwits wants to mess with cards that no one else has bothered to, he can't get his hands on a copy.

I know, because I am frequently Johnny Fuckwits in this scenario. That's why I always end up buying all the commander or planechase or whatever releases.

>>46213336
Low equip cost for the effects. Great for voltron builds.
Low supply.

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could be good

>>46211858

Lets ignore both Slivers that make all your Slivers Birds of Paradise, and remember that Urborg exists.

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It's playable.

>>46212311
SPELLSHAPERS

The cycling lands also go great with him.

>>46214173
This is legit my favorite MTG card ever printed.

I will make it work.

>>46214209
don't make me say it again, faglord

>>46214209
You know that praetor's counsel exists, right?
... right?
>i will make it work
Why the fuck wouldn't it work? You get like 5 goddamn cards back lol.

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>>46212620
>>46212311
>YFW WoTC probably was inspired by this guy

or mesmerized by it

>>46214219
God, why the fuck did you follow me into an EDH thread?

>>46214236
I like build around me cards. It isn't a power level thing. I like the way they worded the card text (I've always loved All Sun's Dawn). I also like that it doesn't exile itself.

I also really like the art and the name. I love cards with serene art. Karn getting bloody chunks of Vorinclex's mouth spewed on him isn't my jam.

>>46212620
Wh-what do real frogs and toads do

>>46212311
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord

>>46213768
So you mean that if you have a swamp, you can tap your slivers to regenerate slivers? Man, it would be great if there was a sliver that allowed other slivers to do that!
Urborg is a single land and you shouldn't be searching for nonbasics with no subtypes

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>>46212761
I didn't even know this card existed. I could combo it so well on my Monoblack with Contamination, or this card.

>>46214288
>God, why the fuck did you follow me into an EDH thread?
The paranoia in that statement. Would it surprise you to learn you're not the only poster who's in multiple threads at once?

>>46214813
I assumed that someone who goes all capslock over someone liking an nonoptimal card and is mad that a mythic isn't constructed playable doesn't play EDH.

>>46211928
>>46211676
A sliver deck in modern did well once. This is one of the few rares in the deck so it was targeted by speculators and never dropped. Silvers will always have a following in casual and EDH.so it was a relatively safe card to speculate since it was cheap.

Speculators love taxing the shit out of tribal decks. Look at Warren Instigator when Piledriver was announced and now Legion Loyalist. has sky rocketed.

Now Primal Beyond is another victim since Elemental tribal become more popular with Rage Omnath.

>>46215143
Thanks for the explanation. The only reason I'm not mad at speculators this time is because I own one of those.

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Here's a shitty graphic I made. Looks like ass because it was created in Paint. Probably going to use a different format for the other colors. In any case, let me know what I should fix.

>>46215227
tfw crush edh fnm with monowhite erry week ya'll need to get on my level

>>46215227
>implying every monored deck isn't some iteration of the same ~90 card core of gayretti artifact spam

>>46215227
I couldn't get through it. Why even use apostrophes if you don't understand how they work?

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>>46215227
lul wut? red is easily worse than white is. At least white has enchantment destruction, exile, and some land fetch cards. red has burn spells which are mostly shit in edh

>>46215283
>Implying I don't run Godo and score consistent one shot kills out of nowhere
>Implying I'd be sacraficing artifacts when I can strap them to Godo
>Imploding I didn't just smash a Daretti to pieces the other day with a 10/8 hexproof unblockable lifelinking Godo that untaps my lands

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>>46215407
Why would you post that image? It's triggering me.

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>>46215227
Mono white is by far the most fair color for EDH. Also mono white enchanter is a pretty fun deck.

>>46215477
what an odd way to hold a spear

>>46215493
>dude watch this sick behind the back spear throw, it'll be so rad.

>>46215407
Good single target removal and boardwipes are nice, but the conditional land fetch may not work out, and in a game like edh, card advantage is incredibly important which it's sorely lacking. At least red has wheel effects, or psudo card draw to help it out.

>>46215638
There's enough card draw based artifacts you should be able to get by in mono white, even if it's group huggy shit like Temple Bell.

How much of an issue are mana costs in EDH? Is it viable to make a deck around high-cost sorceries and instants, provided that you have some means to get a lot of cards and sometimes ignore the cost?

>>46211676
Urborg combo.

Also slivers are easily one of the most popular tribes

>>46212311
Crop rotation would be cute

>>46215755
generally you run a lot of mana rocks and other ramp stuff, things that allow you to delay and just not die until you can get your big stuff out, in general it won't be the most competitive, but it should work okay in most groups.

>>46215493
>>46215553
He's supposed to be resting it on his shoulder while he shields his eyes from the sun and looks into the distance, but the pose is still atrociously awkwardly portrayed. It's even more appallingly unnatural thanks to the latter detail, now that I think about it, because HE'S THE FUCKING SUN GOD. Why would he need to shield his eyes from his own light?

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>>46214560

I will tell you this. The mono black player in my group played this card once. Never before has anyone drawn so much group aggro so fast. By the time it hit their graveyard, they removed it from the sleeve and the deck. They were also very dead and out of the game long before anyone else.

>>46215795
Oh, I just want it for friendly casual play and kitchen table. I am new to EDH and returning to MTG after years of abstinence, so I am starting slowly. Bought a premade deck and am working to improve it.

>>46215863
Did the player play the card when there was a huge board state?

>>46215493
THANK YOU. I can't fucking even use the card because that shit triggers me so much.

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>>46215916

It was fairly early into the game. It shut down a few players who didn't have any mana dorks or rocks, but there were three of us who had enough to be like "so yeah, it's agreed, we kill THEM first."

Mana rock gave the boros guy an enchantment kill next turn, then we proceeded to beat the fuck out of the mono black player until they were out of the game.

>>46215493
I always thought he was rearing back to throw it, but it appears more like he's resting it on his shoulder and peering off into the distance.

>>46216117
>>46215811
And he's covering his eyes from his own spear's light or something

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>want to build new deck
>Don't have the card pool for R/G
I want new commander products now.

Why am I just now discovering the wonders of this magnificent bastard? Throwing everything and anything at faces like he don't give a fuck. This may be the first commander I go out of my way to build irl. (just play on Tabletop Simulator because fuck spending some of the money on some cards)

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>>46216449
Ah fuck. On phone and forgot to add image.

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>>46216464

>>46216449
Serra Avatar and Phyrexian Processor are also fun.

>>46216016
>problem is removed
>lets keep killing him anyway!

This is why non interactive didn do nuffin decks always win.

>>46216533
Don't even get me started on shit like ajani ultimate or serra avatar.

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What EDH commander is competitive, but not WAAC. qt 3.14 at my store only plays EDH and I quit magic 5 years ago and need to start from scratch. I'm looking to have fun, but not get rolled over by the rest of the shop.

>>46216618
just build voltron

a deck that can't handle a voltron build does not deserve the seat at the table

>>46216675
Voltron isn't really fun, even for the person playing it. It isn't busted, but it is dull as all hell.

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>>46216675
gonna assume most voltron decks are pretty well received except for this bastard, right?

>>46216706
Sigarda has some haters.

>>46216705
I've had some fun with old daxos, it's nice stealing bombs off the top of someones deck with shit like hinder/memory lapse

>>46216375

>Have a massive card pool with all the cards I would ever need to build most EDH decks
>nothing I want to build

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>>46216706
A friend of mine built an Uril deck years ago

>Play Prahv, Spires of Order
>Laugh at him as he tries to work around it

Eventually,

>Build Ruhan, of the Fomori
>Race him with a 7/7 turn 3/4.

>>46216865
Pick stupid mechanics and generals. Think of things no one has ever even thought to make an EDH deck out of.

Favorite jank ass combo: Ezuri, claw of progress+Sage of hours. Have 5 experience counters, give 5 +1/+1's to Sage, gain extra turn, repeat infinitely.

>>46217017
haha yeah bro that's awesome lmao! i've never heard of that one before!

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>>46217017
Ghoulcaller Gisa or Feed the Pack in Meren for reanimating fatties for token swarm fun times.

>>46216902
Fuck. This needs to go into Hanna immediately.

Feedback on my first Commander deck please?

Drana is the commander. Also keep in mind this is actually kind of a budget deck because I built this online but most cards in the deck over $10 I already own.

http://deckstats.net/deck-9525818-0cc85a0316c2800ed42a5757802ea024.html

>>46217135
kinda like my dick LOL

>>46217050
Thanks man, I'm actually really surprised about that :^)

>>46217065
Note that you need to alternate between two fatties for Feed the Pack to work. Both abilities go on the stack at the same time, so creatures that are on the battlefield (that can be sacrificed to FtP) aren't eligible targets for Meren's ability.

Gisa can just sac in the second main and that's fine.

I really want to build Meren, but I already have a GB deck and my tutors are all used up in my other Bx decks. Shit sucks, man.

>>46217017
same anon >>46216618
Ezuri seems really cool, from what EDHrec shows it looks like he's token spam, then pump with experience counters is that correct ?

I like Simic back in guildpact, but they lacked a bit of a punch back then. How does this deck play out and more importantly is it fun?

>>46217363
>>46217363
>Both abilities go on the stack at the same time, so creatures that are on the battlefield (that can be sacrificed to FtP) aren't eligible targets for Meren's ability.
But if Meren is on the stack first and then Feed the pack second, feed the pack resolves and there's a dude in the graveyard, why wouldn't Meren be able to target it?

Is it because Meren is already supposed to have a target while Feed the Pack resolves?

How would I capitalise on Sen Triplets? What kind of cards would mesh well with them?

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>>46210928
SECRET TECH?

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Hey guys, tried to make a separate thread for this due to fear of bogging down this thread, but I got no replies, so I figured I'd try here.

Can we each make a Name Card for each of our favorite commanders?
>I'll start us off with two examples to give you guys the idea, I'm looking for enough to fill a book with eventually, I'll save each one you guys make.

>>46212311
I'm gonna put it in my janky landfall deck with knight of reliquary and stuff like harrow.

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>>46217684

>>46217602
>Is it because Meren is already supposed to have a target while Feed the Pack resolves?
Yes. Meren needs a target declared when her ability goes on the stack, and since they both go on the stack at the same time, there's no way to finagle it so that you can bring back the dude you sac. If she didn't have the word "target" in there, it would work though. Still strong; you're not going to have trouble keeping an extra fatty in your yard.

>>46217626

I keep seeing this thumbnail and thinking it's the absolutely based card firecat blitz

But it's not

It's just the shitty meme shit

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>>46216865
Attempt to assemble the jigsaw and get each of these keywords onto the field at once

I have two noob questions:
1) When I cast an exiled spell with Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge, is the spell "expended", or can I continue casting it from exile for ever as long as it got there?

2) Can I play stuff like Izzet Boilerworks turn one, since I have no other lands but the card's text does not sound like it's a prerequisite.

>>46219085
When you cast the spell with Jeleva, you put it in the graveyard on resolution, which means you get to cast it once with her ability.

If you play Boilerworks on T1, you still have to bounce a land. Guess what land that is.

>>46219107
Figures. Thanks.

But I still can cast the spells my opponent exiled due to Jeleva, can't I?

>>46219233
yes? that's the whole point of her ability

>>46219295
Just making sure. Thank you EDHG

Also, can you recommend good ramp for Jeleva's colour identity which isn't stones/dark ritual?

>>46219308
I have bad news for you..

Unless you want temporary ramp like High Tide, Bubbling Muck, or rituals

>>46219321
I want anything to be able to cast those fat, juicy sorceries before the enemy general blackjacks me. I can't be too picky I guess.

I'm interested in building a budget Green/Black deck that can still perform good synergy and do fun things.

What direction should I go, and who should be the commander?

>>46219414
The direction you should go is to Cockatrice and not having to pay for cards.

How do tapout and draw go control compare in EDH? Which one is generally safer to go for?

>>46219414
The Meren precon deck isn't stellar, but it's a solid base with a high ceiling for improvement. I've found it to be worth the money.

>>46219424
>playing Cockatrice
>ever

good luck finding a single tolerable person to play with

>>46219434
Control in EDH is a huge hassle, since you have to play reactively against multiple opponents. Most "control" decks lean heavily toward stax or stasis unless you're playing something like Talrand 99 counters

>>46219450
>Not having friends

Are you seriously telling me that you're playing this game you DONT have people that you can play together with?

>>46219475
yeah, we all play paper magic because Cockatrice sucks ass

>>46219308
Dreamscape Artist

>>46219658
This looks rather neat. Thanks

>>46212311
cycling lands, deal broker, horn of greed

>>46216464
Don't forget to slap the grafted exoskeleton on him

>>46212652
>>46212732
>>46212819
What's the confusion? If you split second destroy Trike, how will it come back? Things with undying don't come back if they have counters on them, and you can't remove a counter from it because of split second. How will it come back?

Jank is having both Trostani and Ageless Entity on the board when I play Storm Herd
who is laughing now fucker

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Post 'em, judge 'em.

For a new player, which of the C15 precons should i get? I like green

>>46220356
The options are Meren or Newzuri. Meren is a great commander with lots of recursion, and one of the strongest out of the box. I think it'd be rather cheap to upgrade her if you wanted to.

Newzuri focuses on small creatures to rack up experience counters in order to buff these creatures to ridiculous sizes. He can easily be dealt with and doesn't offer immediate value like Meren does. Still, he's pretty strong and comes with Kaseto, which could be an interesting commander to build around later on.

It's up to you in the end, do you prefer big creatures or lots of recursion?

>>46220083
That's pretty cool, a bunch of commanders that rarely see play. one of the best around desu

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>>46220083
Good mix

I don't have a problem

>>46220083
I play Horde of Notions in an elemental tribal/5 color goodstuff deck. It's allright. I still need a shriekmaw and ingot chewer.

Rosheen Meanderer is cute. CUTE!

>>46220551
You are insane, jeez. Good on ya for trying to make each of them unique. And here I thought my Boros deck was something special for not being aggro.?

The synergy between global damage and damage prevention is my fave aspect of RW. Mark of Asylum is such a godly card. Ashling gets to keep exploding, you can Inferno and just kick back, etc.

I think I should add Gisela to Basandra. She didn't make the cut originally because she was too mean or more likely, because I was scared someone would reanimate her or bribery me and then I'd get fucked. But she fits the concept so well.

>only 4 commanders in SoI
>only 2 of which are worth building even if just for gimmicks

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>>46220083
u p d a t e d

>>46220660
Rosheen was the second EDH deck I ever made all by myself. She's the only deck that has survived this long. I have trouble changing it though, they print an X spell in every set but I only have so many slots. It pained me to cut Firecat Blitz. Pained me.

My problem with Horde is that when I made it I set out to kill two birds with one stone. Be my first tribal deck and be my first five color. The reason I wanted five color is because I wanted to run stuff like Rise // Fall in the same deck as Hide // Seek.

But now, there's becoming less and less elementals in the deck. I haven't even found room for new Omnath.

I might have to bite the bullet and cut the Hondens. The fact that I win more often via their repeatable advantage rather than elementals is a bit amusing and a bit sad.

>>46220695
Do you use squids for token producers in Jalira? You shooould.

>>46220681
Eh. New Olivia is more fun than good ol' good-stuff Oldlivia. With the discard thing. It is a standard card more than EDH, but I wouldn't knock it.

And yeah, Avacyn is a bit bleh, but she does bring some utility and with her transform drawback, there is some build around me potential. Very minor admittedly.

>>46220551
You are my hero.

>>46220817
I have one creature that makes squids, but I don't have a token for it yet.
Here's the list, I think it's one update behind the current one.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/become-a-kraken-a-self-help-deck/

>>46220854
How's the number of fatties? It seems a bit low to me...

I do like a lot of that list. I would consider Foundry of the Counsels for some more polymorph targets. You don't seem adverse to bad no basics.

Oh and Infinite Reflection would work pretty well with your deck too, I think.

>>46220928
There aren't that many good blue fatties, I should look into artifact ones, but I don't know what I'd take out for them.
I should get one of those lands too, and I forgot about Infinite Reflection. It should be a nice janky add.

>>46220676
Gisela is great but yes she is one of those cards that is scarier in enemy hands, I flip-flop on Iona and Big Avancyn in Razia for the same reason.

One big aspect of RW that is super fun and worth including if you aren't already using it is Sunforger. Its a super versatile tool that really shores up some of the weaknesses. If you include Tithe and Mistveil plains you can loop other instants (Boros Charm, Wear/Tear STP, Laspe of Certainty etc..) every turn super easily

>>46220828
Heh, Thanks

looking for comments on an ezuri build im working on
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/24-03-16-ezuri-claw-of-progress/

i know there is no FoW it will be added when EM comes out

>>46212311
I want to put this in like 3 of my decks and then make a whole new deck with it as commander. It hurts so much that I'll have to wait 2 years for that so it'll be at a reasonable price because it's a mythic.

>>46220083
You're alright man.

I've got 13 more slots to fill here, any suggestions?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/07-03-16-mishra-stax/

>>46221044
The new Eldrazi has a similar effect as reflection and a nice big fat body to cheat in too.

>>46221134
My problem with Sunforger, as with a lot of really saucy cards is that it eats up a loooot of card slots that could otherwise be theme cards. Like, when I am choosing utility, I pick fits mechanical theme first and then if I have slots left over or just absolutely need better answers, I add more utility. But when I also have the restrictions imposed by something like Sunforger or Isochron, it just ends up being too limiting. You know?

>>46221435
Thanks.

>>46221461
Where's your Nether Void and Nullstone Gargoyle?

>>46221541
>Nether void
I'm trying to build a deck I can potentially have the cards for at some point. I did legitimately forget Nullstone, though.

>>46221521
Jalira has a non-legendary clause, so she can't cheat cool stuff into play.

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>>46221717
>Atog Tribal
List please.

>>46221576
I meant this guy.

>>46221717
Atog tribal seems a lot better with Delirium coming out. It is super fun running cards that have as many card types are possible in order to be the most edible.

I am pretty sure Purph's hammer still makes the most delicious tokens. Artifact enchantment creature.

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>>46221812
Hurry hurrr.

With a bit of library manip and Jalira getting this guy out, you can make all your shitty squid tokens or thopter tokens into Inkwells. Best kind of jank.

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>>46221830
Holy kek, how about this too? There's also Endbringer and Deepfathom Skulker for general goodstuff too.

>>46221916
Yeah, exactly.

Jalira looks fun. As much as monoblue can be fun.

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>>46220083

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>>46221762
Took a while to write it all down. It's pretty janky and inconsistent, but fun.

>>46219331

You seem to misunderstand Jeleva's ability. When you attack, you cast any one of the spells exiled for FREE.

Here's my Jeleva if you want to take a look.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jelevas-spiraling-torment/

My ramp is mostly signets and 2 drop artifacts.

>>46222226
Fucking use Tappedout.net, please? Ain't no body gunna read that shit.

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Not shown: I have a Nekusar (pre-con with some alterations. Not really that good. Don't play it often, but it's still together because I think I'm going to change it to an Arjun, the Shifting Flame deck)
I also have a Derevi deck, with a similar premise to Edric's flying men.
I just don't have those 2 decks listed online because I don't use them often enough and will probably change/unmake them eventually.

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>>46211003
>mfw Gitrog+Forbid
Because BUG needed a buff in this format, right?

>>46211654
You do realise you can tuck whatever they tooth and nail for right? , tuck spells work on every other creature in the deck and are worth running , especially hallowed burial

>>46219853

>Remove counter
>Hold priority
>remove counter
>hold priority
>remove counter
>Remove counter
>pass priority

By the time you're allowed to KGrip, there are no counters on Trike. The problem, as others have stated, is that you are far more vulnerable to having Trike sworded because you can't kill your Trike in response. That point is irrelevant because if you have swords, you should be exiling Mikaeus while Trike is in the graveyard.

>>46222908

Tucking is worse than exiling when it's not a commander.

>>46223029
Not if you're playing some sort of Eldrazi Processor theme deck :^)

>>46223029
Tucking is worse than exiling, period. The only cases where it isn't is Pull from Eternity, Torrent Elemental and that Sphinx Owl thing. Even Riftsweeper doesn't count.

I still would run Hallowed Burial over Final Judgement, just due to mana cost.

>>46222833
Had to make up for the loss of prophet

>>46223255
Speaking of Torrent Elemental, why do people underrate it so much? It can get your creatures through a stalled boardstate, is hard to get rid of due to being BUG and works well with Delve. It's an all star in my Sidisi list when I can't use Craterhoof.

>>46217622
Copy and steal effects.

>>46223376
I just haven't stuck him in yet. His ability is just a bit awkward compared to the simplicity of the other one. I know it was to not print more food chain support, but eh.

>>46223376
I actually use torrent elemental and misthollow Griffin with pharika to get snakes whenever they die and just bring them back

>>46212025

Got one for $35. Felt real good.

>>46223008
yeah but nobody plays around krosan grip. People expect the swords, but nobody actively holds priority in anticipation of a krosan grip. It's just not common etiquette, even though technically the rules are in favor of the turn-owner.

>>46223029
of course it is , but you can run both

>>46223336
At least Gitrog isn't a UG creature, so he'll only be annoying in BUG decks. I won't mind a Gitrog in a BG loam strategy, it's when he gets paired with Forbid and the usual UGx shenanigan that I foresee him being a huge pain in the ass.

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>>46217626
The only real secret tech.
But, it's not secret, because it goes in every fucking deck.

>>46223538

Shouldn't say nobody because I do, but I don't play Mike/Trike. I use Counterbalance and will almost always try to keep a 3 drop floating on top of my library. I also run morph counters like Stratus Dancer for split second cards. It's a wonderful feeling flipping one in response to an infinite mana Molten Disaster.

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>>46220083
I don't know why every group I've played in is like this, but playing an aggro deck immediately makes me target #1. People ignore bigger threats to kill me and save their opponents.
Nice hipster commanders, btw.

>>46220551
That's some dedication. I think if I made those 5 decks they'd look nearly the same.

>>46220695
>Sharuum
Other than that you're okay

>>46221717
>Atog tribal
Interesting. I also really like drana as a commander.

>>46223752

I actually removed most of my tuck spells in favor of exile, and I've never been happier. The only one I'm still considering is Terminus for the Miracle, but I need to get one.

>>46223008
>That point is irrelevant because if you have swords, you should be exiling Mikaeus while Trike is in the graveyard.
Good point. I guess it is better to play around Krosan Grip after all. Unless your Mike has hexproof / shroud.

>>46223752
>Chaos Warp someone's commander
>they Worldly Tutor a Jin-Gitaxias on top of their library
>they send their commander back to the command zone
>don't have to shuffle, reveal Jin-Gitax
I'd say tuck spells took a really big hit with the rules change. Some like Chaos Warp are now very risky because you can no longer safely use them on commanders due to scenarios like the above. Others like Condemn have just become very weak compared to other forms of removal. There are a handful still worth running, like Terminus, but overall, the viability of tuck spells went down the drain.

>>46223874
Post jor kadeen list pls , wanna compare

>>46223980
Don't have a list on hand, nor do I have my deck with me, sorry :\
I focus pretty heavily on making a lot of tokens & buffing those, but also have some equipment to throw on jor-kadeen. Token producrs like hero of bladehold, myr battlesphere, group buff effects like true conviction, and some equipment like swords & sunforger (plus godo) to round stuff out.

Overcosted tech I like: Stalking Vengeance.

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>>46212620
You think frogs are fucked

Read about the sexual habits and resulting rape-evolution of ducks. You'll find what you're looking for.

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>>46220083
Great variety, gotta love Dromoka EDH.

>>46220551
My nigga/10

>>46220695
Might be cancerous.

>>46221717
Great variety.

>>46222166
It's alright.

>>46223874
Would play with.

>>46224270
There's a couple I dislike but good variety overall.

>>46222359
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jelevas-spiraling-torment/
Holy fuck 500 American pounds. I want to die. I don't think I will ever manage to part with that much money at once.

By the way, I have another retarded question.

I am considering also building around Teysa cause she's a qt, either Envoy of Ghosts or Scion. Now, they are both Teysa but have different names and abilities. Is it legal to use them simultaneously, since the actual card name is different?

If yes, which one would you prefer as a general - Scion or Envoy? My bet is the former.

>>46222359
>>46225013
Oh, also, Jeleva anon, what do you think of the precon Jeleva deck? Worth it or not really, considering that I already have the woman herself.

>>46225013

Don't let the price deter you. A lot of that is fetchlands, but there is Force of Will and Snapcaster. You don't need them have a deck that is capable of winning. 59 cards are less than $2, 16 are less than $5, and only 9 are $20+. There's a lot of jank in the deck because I play a lot of bounce to keep casting Jeleva for 4.

As for Teysa, I have played both, and yes you can use both at the same time. They are technically the same character, but they are differently named. This is not true for Planeswalkers because it's based on their type.

Scion largely considered the best one because she combos very well and very easily. Darkest Hour + sac outlet is infinite (note that you can't sac them to Teysa because none of the spirits are white anymore). I played her as mostly Human tribal with an Angel of Glory's rise combo, which is actually now my Saffi deck.

However, Envoy is solid, though many won't agree. She's expensive, but is a good finisher. I basically ran BW exile control and dropped her late game when I felt safe. Things like Pariah(Shield) keep you safe from combat damage, which is nice.

>>46225072

It's... Ok. There's not much synergy for Jeleva in the deck itself. She really wants a lot of spells, and the precon is a little light. Plus, they are hard to find at a good price because it has a True Name Nemesis, which is a legacy staple.

Honestly, you might be better off buying the UR precon from last year of you want a precon, but I'd honestly say just get singles. Take a look at my deck again and lost them by price to see what cheap singles I use.

It's edh night at the LGS. Help me out /edhg/, I can't get my Zurgo to run well. What are some must have cards?

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Would this be a better card than Blind Obedience? Or maybe I should switch out depending on the number of players?

>>46226012
Blind Obedience seems like enough for the cost. This seems like it comes in too late but also will have you hate targeted out of the game.

>>46225922
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&text=+[destroy]+[all]+[creatures]&color=+@%28|[B]|[R]|[W]|[C]%29&type=|[%22Sorcery%22]|[%22Instant%22]

>tfw your group allows the Kamigawa flip cards as generals
So fucking fun, I wish more groups allowed this. Bushi Tenderfoot is GOAT Voltron

>>46226012
It depends on what you use it for , kismet and frozen aether are both great at slowing the entire game down for your opponents , blind obedience just kind of nullifies haste, the artifacts entering tapped comes up alot in my games , fast mana not so fast if it etbs tapped

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Whose the superior commander for a Mardu goodstuff/aggro deck? Zurgo or Alesha? I figure one can go in the 99 no matter what but the commander I pick will shape the deck. I just don't want to go full Zurgo + Worldslayer or Alesha combo.

>>46226789
Just realized that "target player" on that card is outdated text. That makes it significantly more playable.

>>46227165
Alesha definitely, combos out the ass.

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>>46227214
See that's the problem, I don't want to go full combo. I just want a nice Mardu aggro deck.

>>46227165
Neither of them is particularly goodstuff-y, even Tariel or Kaalia would be better at generic goodstuff things. That said, of the two, I'd pick Zurgo. He doesn't demand building around as much as Alesha, he has a bigger dick, and he doesn't really care what other cards you run alongside him if you're only using him to punch for 7 once in a while.

>>46227230
Then do good stuff but Zurgo is control/combo.

>>46227247
I guess Boros charm + Jokulhaups is a combo.

>>46227277
Zurgo and Wrath is a combo.

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>>46227243
>he has a bigger dick
Objection, we don't know the canon sizes of their penises. While convention dictates that Zurgo as a beefy bara orc would have a larger cock than the twinky trap human you have to keep in mind that Alesha also comes from warrior stock and isn't on hormones. Their cock could very easily rival if not dwarf Zurgo's if only by body size ratio.

Source: I'm a penis expert and have been involved in hundreds of penis day inspections from both a local school level and pre-Senatorial meeting cock inspections.

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>>46220083

>>46227332
Zurgo is a 7 and a grower, Alesha is a flat 3. Their ass is the same size though.

>>46227368
Oh shoot I meant spells that add counters not actual counter spells.

>>46227378
Objection, power has never been a relevant measure of cock size. Olivia Voldaren has been shown to have the largest visible dick in any card art and she's a 3.

>>46227305
Not really a 'game winning' combo that orients a deck in such a way to warrant calling it a 'combo' deck.

>>46227368
>Almost all tribal
A bit dull, desu. If you want to have your cards to interact with each other, there are other, more interesting ways to do it. Same if it's flavor you're after.

>>46227410
She's also a grower, read the fucking cards.

Further proof: Jace is a 0/2 and actually a woman.

>>46227446
>Jace is a 0/2 and actually a woman.
I'm willing to concede the argument in light of this new evidence.

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>>46227446

>You will never save future sets from shitty Jace cards by chaining her in a basement on Innistrad and breeding her with futa vampires

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Another pile of decks for you to scroll past

>>46227673
You ever consider not playing red?

>>46227673
Damn, there's a lot of Boros decks on today, even with the outlier.

>>46227714
I think /tg/ has a high concentration of boros bros in general.

>>46227763
*Contrarians

>>46227788
Show me on the doll where the Boros player blew up your lands

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>>46228005

>tfw you strip mine cabal coffers and then RFG their yard
>tfw mono black shitter scoops

>>46228005
>implying I wasn't the first person bring land destruction into my playgroup

/tg/ just likes to be the underdog in matches, so that way, when they lose, their culpability won't lie with their deck construction or their plays, but rather, because the other players were playing 'better' colors.

>>46228352
>mfw I draw either card draw or ramp in the opening hand
>WR shitter is playing 3 drops while I'm dropping Army of the Damned
Those delicious tears.

>>46228360
True enough. I'm a huge Boros fag, I have a couple UGx decks but when I win with them, I don't feel like I earned it. It just isn't satisfying. And if I lose with a UGx deck, well I feel like a complete shitter, because I always find myself thinking I should have easily won that. Whereas I enjoy Boros because I feel like I have to work for my wins, wins feel great and losses aren't too disheartening.

>>46228352
>scooping when you lose cabal coffers + graveyard
I don't particularly have a grudge against mono black, but if you have to scoop from that you really are a mono black shitter, running a shitty deck.

>>46228392
>WR
>shitter

Unless it's gisela there's no such thing as a shitter running Boros colors outside of standard.

>>46228504

There are a couple of local mbc players who don't know what to do when they don't have coffers. I've never seen people so obsessed with a single card, and watching them tilt off the planet when it's taken away is too funny.

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>>46220551
Respect.

>>46220681
I believe in Sigarda 2.0.

>>46228538
I see shitty players running shitty colors all the time.

>>46228566

I run my dick in your mom faggot

>>46229072
Everyone does, that's not something to brag about.

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Anyone has some neat +1/+1 counter dorks like pic related?

>>46229313
Pentavus?

>>46229313
He's part of a cycle, so all the others in it I guess.
Gyre Sage if by dork you mean mana dork.
Servant of the Scale, Simic Initiate, Experiment One are neat one-drops.

>>46229334
>>46229342
I meant more utility wise. Like, remove a counter: fix mana. remove a counter: bounce something.
Something thats not big of a threat that it immediatly gets killed of, but is really nice to have and interacts with +1/+1 counters. Something like.. Fertilid.
Sorry I like this card way too much, I'll check out the cycle tho

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>>46228544

>playing mono black
>Liliana
>against Newzuri, Marchesa, and NewOmnath
>several turns go by
>have Gravepact out and pic related
>dark ritual into Liliana
>activate apprentice
>flip Liliana
>Cast Sidisi
>first tutor of game
>Newzuri Crop rotates out strip mine in response
>okay.jpg
>Sacrifice Token to exploit
>tutor
>cast Sacrifice, sacing Sidisi for 5 mana
>+2 Liliana discard Call to the Nether
>Madness and get back Sidisi
>Cast Sidisi
>tutor again and pass turn

I tutored for Xiahou Dun and Snuff Out. I love when people think I'm tutoring coffers every game. Please, focus on that instead of the 4 creatures I made everyone sacrifice.

>>46223832
>I use Counterbalance and will almost always try to keep a 3 drop floating on top of my library
You know you can't activate counterbalance with krosan grip on the stack, right?

>>46229434
>You know you can't activate counterbalance with krosan grip on the stack, right?

You know counterbalance is a triggered ability, right?

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>>46229460
Apparently not
My bad, I forgot why it's so good

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>>46229494

It's cool.

What's the combo to win with Gitrog Toad? You can dredge your library, then what do you Dread Return?

>>46229835
Whatever you need at the time.

>>46229393
The cycle is exactly that, though it is pretty underwhelming, since they're all commons.
Also, Graft perhaps?

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This is my commander. I made a token deck that isn't just aggro, it has all kinds of fun stuff to add more flavor to the WAAAAAAGH! hordes of assholes rape your face mentality.

>>46229420
Coffers is way more important than a board wipe. It was dumb of him to do it right then and there, but since you didn't get Coffers, he sort of achieved his goal.

Anyone mind taking a peek at my Teysa deck? It's at the point where I think I'm ready to start buying the cards I need to finish it.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/teysa-saxstax/

>>46227332
Shut up faggot

How do I Arjun? Every time I start going off I go off too hard and either deck myself before I get a win condition out or I've gone too deep and casting a win con will kill me. I guess I need to play it more and understand the best time to do stuff but some advice would be appreciated.

>>46229420
>Please, focus on that instead of the 4 creatures I made everyone sacrifice.
Going to have to echo the other anon, that's weak shit compared to a Coffers. I don't mind someone wrathing the table through Grave Pact triggers, I do mind someone having 20 fucking mana.

>>46227763

BOROS! BOROS! BOROS!

>>46231631
Boros? More like Snoros.

>>46230877
>>46231576

I wasn't going to get coffers anyway. That's my point. My mana curve tops out at 5 with very few exceptions. I don't need coffers. I don't even use exsanguinate. I do use Gary, though. Obviously I use coffers too, but it's only a bonus. I'll use it like a ritual, and if I get more turns out of it, fantastic.

My point is that my deck doesn't revolve around getting 20 mana per turn with coffers/gauntlet/lens/sun. The only real thing Coffers allows me to get mileage out of is Corpse Dance.

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>>46229313
Pretty much most stuff with graft, also frog tribal

I like Boros because it's the underdog color combination but let's be honest here, it isn't even particularly fun to play. The only good thing about it is the satisfaction of beating top tier deck with your tier F abomination. It's picking Dan in a casual Street Fighter game to show off a bit.

>>46231752
Coffers is ban-worthy IMO.
I understand why it's not banned. But it's certainly more banworthy than a lot of the stuff on the banlist currently.
Having green have Gaea's Cradle and Black have Coffers is pretty stupid. If blue had a land like that I bet it'd be banned instantly.

>>46232569
Blue does have a land like that and yes, it's banned.

This format has a lot of issues but I don't think Cabal Coffers and Gaea's Cradle rank really high up among them. I think more people should run land destruction, Strip Mines are 5$ so every deck that can afford to run a colorless land should run one.

>>46232620
And if your playgroup has a serious case of the butthurt, Ghost Quarter does the same job for cheaper and they don't lose a land overall.

>>46231750

Clearly you just don't know how to play it right

So my playgroup agreed to do one day where we could make whatever deck we wanted with any banned cards and play that deck on that day only, proxies allowed.
It was pretty fun, but someone ran Ruhan with Panoptic Mirror and imprinted Shahrazad, and after that we called it a day.
8/10 though, would do again, no chaos decks next time though.

>>46232827
Oh? You mean like go to my snorebat st-- I mean combat step.

>>46232826
I like Tec Edge. It may cost a mana to use, but it is fair as all fuck.

I ended up taking Mana Drain out of all my decks because 1, people get butthurt over it and don't want to play against me even though it's hardly ever relevant and 2, it's banned like... everywhere. Now all of a sudden people have bought some and put them in their decks.

I hate EDH players with a burning passion

Help me build a combo breaker deck in Jeskai.
I got
>Uba Mask
>Eon Hub
>Blind Obedience
>Kismat
>Jester's Cap
>Standard Chaos stuff
I forget the name of that white creature that prevents people from drawing more than one card per turn.
Sundial of the Infinite might go in too
Win condition will probably be using other people's decks.

>>46233087
>that white creature that prevents people from drawing more than one card per turn
Spirit of the Labyrinth

>>46221356
Off the top of my head elusive krasis could be swapped for a shardless agent. I highly recommend avenger of zendikar as well. The explosive XP growth cannot be understated. You might want to include some sort of way do deal with graveyard decks, such as a relic of progenitus or night soil (I like this for the tokens it generates as well). You are also not running counterspell.

>>46233166
That card always ended up underperforming in every deck I threw it in. Allowing opponents one card a turn is still extremely permissive, it doesn't answer things like Dig Through Time, and people can just hold on to their big draw spells until a wrath hits the board. Oh, and it's a 3/1 meaning it can almost never safely attack. It's a decent card on paper but it just hasn't worked out for me.

Update on Gitrog Toad deck tech
>Herald of Leshrac is broken as fuck

>>46233454
Now that's sidesplitting.

>>46233348

It's been good for me if I can get it out early, it shuts down cards that people might have decided to keep their opener based upon, like Phyrexian arena or mulldrifter

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>>46231481
Anyone?

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How would you do it?

>>46231481
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/teysa-saxstax/
everyotherteysalist/10

Also, just because you have a smokestack in the deck, doesn't it a stax deck.

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>>46234397
On the spot with the power of a thousand suns.

Gonna be building Zedruu Group something and Sigarda voltron, what are some must haves for each?

>>46234488
>On the spot with the power of the five suns.
FTFY

>>46234557
God dammit, I should've thought of that.

>>46231481
>>46234314
I didn't look at it because you called it Stax and I thought it would be a miserable deck.

I do think a Butcher of Malakir would be a good idea and if you are willing to run Dark Prophecy, then the color requirement on Grave Pact shouldn't be too bad. I also think an Akroma's Vengeance and Hallowed Burial would be a good idea. As adorable as I find your Buried Alive and Bloodghast-lite effects, they are probably reasonable cuts.

>>46234627
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/teysas-sax-solo/
There, I changed the name. Is it better?

Also, why do you think I should cut the recursive creatures, if I may ask? I figured they'd serve pretty well as repeated sac fodder.

I'd have Grave Pact and Butcher on the list, but I figured two Grave Pact effects were enough with Martyr's Bond and Dictate of Erebos. You advise more?

Also, thank you for responding.

>>46234857
>letting other people have creatures.

can Orzhov be competitive? I really wanna make these colors work on a rape level but how

>>46234857
I've been building pretty much the same list over the last month or so, sans stax (gets too much hate). You can never have enough grave pacts in this deck. It's incredibly helpful when you're trying to topdeck a combo piece or tutor, to be able to force-sac an entire board. Won a french game against Mayael last week, got smacked down to ~10 life, when I dropped a dictate and turned the game around immediately, saccing through Asceticism, Avacyn, Eldrazi Titans. I was just lucky he didn't hit Sigarda, really.

>>46235058
http://edhrec.com/commanders/wb/

>>46235082
Duly noted, sir. Will try to make room.

>>46234857
I only suggested removing those creatures because they seemed like the weakest link, given token creatures. But now that I think about it, Reassembling Skeleton and the mardu ripoff do do a lot of work.

Your call. I'd cut Buried Alive and Bloodghast though.

>>46235503
That's fairly good advice, considering Bloodghast's recursion is pretty conditional, unless I had something like Ghost Town or something.

Definitely considering that and Buried Alive, thanks!

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