SoI Spoiler Thread

>>46194856
Two playable red cards in one set? Color me interested.

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It's hard to tell if this meant for a mono red aggro deck or werewolves deck

>>46194883
Too late, already colored you red.

>>46194856
SPOOPY PUPPER
I like it. What's the best way to take advantage of doublestrike? Does trample work with it, or do you still not get the second attack if it's blocked?

>>46194856
FIFTH FOR

THROAT WOLF

>>46194958
Trample lets the second strike deal damage to the player if the creature 'dies' from the first one, yes.

>>46194958
Trample does indeed work with double strike.

If you block my Spoop Pup 2/2 with a 1/1, and he has double strike, he tramples over you for 1 in the first damage phase, and still hits you for 2 in the second.

>>46194920
I'd say mono-red Aggro. Other than being a wolf, there isn't much to make it work with the current support.

You could just as easily argue it's supposed to work with The Thing in the Ice, since it's a Horror.

>>46194856
Alright, now how do we get this guy out on T2 with Haste and Delirium active?

>>46195002
It gains double strike once your Goblin Guide dies in Modern.

>t1 fetch, goblin guide
>t2 this lil fella
>t3 instant bolt that thing, sorcery bolt the other thing

>>46195028
Sorry mang you have to loot and throw away an enchantment.

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>>46195158
Sure thing man.

>>46195158
>what are fetchlands
scrubs baka

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>>46194856
This is a fake .. Either that or show source

>>46194856
So legendary is a card type as well not a subtype, right?

Source on OP?

>>46194856
>horror
TITTY DECK
I
T
T
Y DECK

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/exclusive-spoiler-seven-questions-with-scourge-wolf

>>46195205
>>46195220
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/exclusive-spoiler-seven-questions-with-scourge-wolf

>>46195205
>>46195220
Sorry I suppose I should have linked directly to you with >>46195228
>>46195247 how did you not notice that I had posted it already?

>>46195213
No, actually.

The card types (outside of casual stuff) are Artifacts, Creatures, Enchantments, Instants, Lands, Planeswalkers,or Sorceries.

Legendary, along with Basic and Snow, are "Super Types"

R/G Wolf modern when?

>>46195266
Hadn't refreshed the page while I was grabbing the link.

>>46195267
Thanks, it didn't make sense to me that it was but I wasn't sure what else it would be.

>>46195185
>Fetchland
>Enchantment
Learn to read mang

>>46195176
That's actually pretty smart desu, but your going to need more enchantments to be consistent. Actually with the way delirium is worded, you are really onto something

>>46195267
Doesn't Tribal count as well? It might be useful for Triggering Delirium.

>>46195310
You dont need an enchantment if you ave a land, a creature, a sorcery, and an instant

>>46195310
Look at the original method >>46195028

The fetchland goes to the grave. That's 1 card type, Land. You cast an Instant and Sorcery spell turn 3, which is the first time you can attack with the Wolf. That's 2 and 3, Instant and Sorcery.

Then, he's counting on Goblin Guide dying during those first two turns. That's 4, creature.

You don't need an Enchantment at all. In fact, if one of those Instant or Sorcery spells is Tribal, you're not even relying on the Goblin dying.

>>46195314
Tribal is not a type or supertype. It's weird.

>>46195334
now this is modern thinking.

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So I can two for one myself in order to kill my opponent's creature. Fuck me wizards I know that too much removal in one set is bad for limited but fuck this shit. Sick art though.

>>46195349
Wizard's own article calls out Tribal as working

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/shadows-over-innistrad-mechanics

>>46195349
Tribal is a type.

Learn to Goyf.

Destroying a Bitterblossom gives goyf +2/+2

>>46195349
It counts as a type. Ask anyone who plays with tarmos.

>>46195362
You're assuming you don't have any clue tokens lying around.

>>46195362
Use clues. There are plenty of ways to get a ton lying around, and you save 2 mana in the process. Throw in some of those Green cards that trigger when you sacrifice them and you gain more than you lose.

>>46195362
>two for one myself
oh no your precious clue token

>>46195362
>two for one self

You're going to be fucking SWIMMING in clue tokens. The drawback isn't as big as you think it is.

>>46195362
>can sacc a permanent to activate delirium or just sacc your land #8
>deals with all relevant permanents that can cause problems
>bad

The thing that's bad is you, anon.

>>46195349
Tribal is a type. Check the ruling on tarmogoyf

>>46195334
Time for Tarfire?

TIME FOR TARFIRE

>>46195416
Should be pretty easy to activate it with Tarfire and Eidolon of the Great Revel.

>>46195334
Alright I got you. Thanks man.

>>46195416
>>46195432
Would Faithless looting be a good call for this? It could be an easy way to drop Eidolon into the grave in order to trigger Delerium, and with a land or any other instant that gives you 4.

>>46195478
No, Faithless Looting is card disadvantage.

You desperately need every card you have to push for th final damage.

The point would be to fit it into the deck naturally without crippling yourself.

For example, Eidolon would fit in easily. Tarfire would involve making a sub-par addition (instead of 3 damage for R spells available) but isn't too much of a stretch from 2 damage.

Faithless just does nothing to further your goal while aiding a single piece in your deck. Furthermore, you don't WANT to discard eidolon...

>>46195522
Fair point.

I suppose Eidolon also gives you a good 2 drop when you don't have the pieces in hand to trigger your wolf, or don't draw the wolf at all.

>>46195362
>another answer to darksteel forge/colossus
oh no my combo :(

>>46195004
Faithless Looting or Thoughtscour work

>>46195362
What the fuck is it with all the exile removal lately? It's fucking everywhere and annoying as fuck.

What if the angels aren't actually crazy and everyone on Innistrad is corrupted? Tamiyo asked why a Shepherd would turn on its flock... that would be when the flock is made of wolves in sheep's clothing, right? I'm guessing humanity on Innistrad was tainted to begin with and the angels and maybe Nahiri have just figured that out somehow. Sorin might even be aware of this if my theory is true

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Apparently the gitrog toad is being spoiled tomorrow? Anyone have predictions?

>>46195718
we got an uncharted realms of Avacyn literally going crazy.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/gaze-blank-and-pitiless-2016-03-09
the entire point of the story was 'Someone is messing with Avacyn, and messing with her head'

>>46195769
is it nahiri

>>46195746
Shit nigga, we getting a new Griselbrand?

>>46195746
It's going to be a fantastic disappointment.

>>46195746
It's gonna be sick.

Nahiri and Sorin are the only enemy-colored cards in the set so far, so I'm going to guess that it's going to be either B or U/B. Probably have an ability similar to Doomgape.

>>46195746
I spy Gisela.
Hello, Gisela!

>>46195786
we don't know totally, but shortly before Avacyn went crazy her vision went double then she saw a bunch of floating stone obelisks with intricate runes carved on them, floating in concert. I doubt anyone else is swinging lithomancy around, so it kinda looks like Nahiri was the reason.

>>46195795
That thing looks G/B as fuck man.

>>46195821
So it's nahiri.

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>>46195718
>>46195769

>Everything in front of her doubled. The trees, the mother and child, each blade of grass. Doubled, and then doubled again. A pounding ache ran through her head and she dropped to the ground, crumpled in pain. A field of white flashed through her eyes, followed by an image of many floating stone obelisks with intricate runes carved into their sides, moving in concert with each other...and then a normal scene resumed in front of her.

>an image of many floating stone obelisks with intricate runes carved into their sides, moving in concert with each other

>floating stone obelisks with intricate runes carved into their sides

GEE I WONDER WHAT THOSE ARE
SURELY THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH NAHIRI
DEFINITELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ELDRAZI

>>46195837
Its so nice that we were introduced to nahiri in c14 so that she can make her debut in a standard set. I feel like spoiling who nahiri is early kinda ruined the mystery somewhat.

>>46195825
I'd love for it to be G/B, but Innistrad isn't a multi-colorful set. As I said the only enemy-colored cards we've seen so far are the figures who are the main focus of the set: Sorin, Nahiri, and Avacyn (Who I forgot about in my previous post). With the way the land base is going to be for standard, I don't think they're going to include too many multi-color cards.

But this is all just speculation. There's just as much of a chance that I'm totally wrong. Hell, he could be bant colors and be the lord-high-god of clue decks for all I know.

>>46195837
I don't know if the eldrazi have a copyright on obelisks and runes, brah.

Wasn't it revealed that there's an egypt-themed set in the works?

>>46195910
they're closely associated mostly because of zendikar

Standard spikes what archetypes are you fleshing out for post rotation?

>>46195792
No, this screencap was taken from the official "innistrad" page, where they list all of the legendary creatures to be on innistrad.
Grislebrand was once a legendary creature on innistrad.

>>46195932
COMBO
O
M
B
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>>46195932
I'm hoping there's a zombie deck, but it's looking much more like that deck's gonna be vampires instead.

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The Gitrog Toad is a fake-out.

>>46195932
Zada. I lurve mah gurl.

As long as she's in standard I'll have a deck built around her. Competitive? Not really, but one of the most fun decks I've played in a while.

>>46195932
I'm hoping for CoCo to take off because I have a bunch of them ready to sell.
I accidentally bought into the R/B Eldrazi meme where Ghostfire Blade, a surprisingly key component is rotating, so I don't know what the fuck to do anymore.

>>46195946
>>46195953
Come on 4chan can't be the meme timmy players, the magic subreddits suck ass

>>46195976
relentless dead was a nice suprise but nothing else seems to really have shown up to suggest a zombie deck. The werewolf deck seems great though with the flash anthem.

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>>46195989

>>46195932
I'm hoping for Rakdos life control with that janky as fuck 13 life wincon.

>>46195944
Aww. THat's disappointing.

>>46196020
>at thirteen life
>opponent has shit eating grin
>play a pain land
>ping self for one to float mana
>grin
>pass

>>46195976
Return to Reddit.

>>46195769
Oh ok. Thanks, that does shed some light on this

>>46195974
Coco is already off man, it's a $18 rare and Dragons sets are stillout here . If Khans fetches was $20 cards I don't think CoCo can be higher for a long time.

>>46195932
Some form of RB madness / aggro red, maybe with Vampire support looks like it is going to be really powerful.

>>46195932
Madness, eldrazi, BG aristocrats and maybe traditional RDW look like possible contenders to me.

>>46195691
It's part of Wizard's "cards must be relevant" design dynamic.
Any set must be chocked full of synergies with any other sets it does or will share a standard environment with.
Return to Zendikar cared about exile, so there will be lots of exile interactions for a while.

>>46196073
>My upkeep comes,
>They don't lose the game
>Make them gain one life.
>Pass turn.

>>46196206
>>46196206
>They gib you
>MBUBUBUBUBHBHHHHH
>MUH LE MEMMEEEESSSSS
>drop 0-16 on a 8 man.

Do you guys think a cavern of souls repirnt is a possibility? There is still spot for it numberwise

>>46196230
lol, no.

>>46196230
of course not. at least not in this set. probably in MM17 or Eternal Masters

>>46196230
Probably not.

>>46196240 >>46196245 >>46196276
>Ask not the Eldar a question, for they will give you three answers,
>all of which are true and terrifying to know.

>>46196287
How would the slanni answer?
Tell you to fuck off since your question is retarded and so is your entire race.

>>46195910
Speaking of Egypt, I haven't seen this much denial since Anus Mana was spoilered.

>>46194856
Its fucking Emrakrul isnt it? Seriously how can anyone be saying shit like Marit Lage or whatever? LOOK AT THIS THING!

>>46196407
we just wanted it to be something other than the blatantly obvious

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It's shit

>>46195932
BU eldrazi midrange, BR Eldrazi. . .something idk aggro maybe, and BR vampire madness/delerium.

>>46196462
I think it'd be neat with a gravecrawler deck.

>>46196462
>Of NEXT END STEP
[angry neo-nazi noises]

Might see >some play in some memetical dredge deck someday.

>>46196462
>3cmc

ugh we have too many 3 drop zombies already

>>46196462
They just hate interesting interactions don't they.
END
STEP
END STEP
REEEEEEEEEEEe

>>46196462
Geralf a shit. Where are Gissa's lovelies.

>>46195794
This seems likely given how the most hype spoilers tend to come earlier. I still remember when Pharika was revealed.

It'll probably be an efficiently costed vanilla beater.

>>46196549
He is going to be some janky limited all-star token producing 6cmc 4/5 piece of shit.

CALLING IT NOW

>>46194920
Grixis horrors

>>46196407
Look at Marit Lage's art and tell me why it wouldn't make Horrors.

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gitrog gitrog at the door
git away quick or you'll git no more

>>46196462
Angry nazi dredg meme.jpeg

>>46196585
Holy fuck where did you find this spoiler? I'm not seeing it on wizards website or any spoiler site. ..
Alittle underwhelming.
Maybe it's good in limited?

>>46196462
nah this is pretty good. If the zombie deck comes together (probably not) threat recursion is gonna be pretty important for it.

Now if they would only give us some decent self-mill.

>>46196462
>If it's in your graveyard while you graveyard a creature in your graveyard you may graveyard this into your graveyard

I don't understand this card it's too complicated Maro SIMPLE CARD WIZARDS PLEASE OR THE BLUE PLAYER MIGHT TRICK ME AGAIN

>>46196596
>End step
No nazism here.

>>46196462
>0 mana 3/3 with upside
Neat. Dunno if it will do anything in standard, zombardment doesn't play blue in legacy and dredge probably would never want this but it still seems very strong.

>>46196462
Relentless Dead now returning two zombies for the price of one!!! Get this deal while it lasts!!!

>>46196545
Next set.

>>46196607
skreeching skabb from origins, fuckboy

>>46194920
Where is that picture from? Shes freaking out man.

>>46195314
Tribal counts, isnt that a trick with goyf in modern

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can this be used if i have no cards to discard?

>>46196828
No.

>>46196828
no

>>46196828
No. Discarding a card is part of the cost. If you can't pay the cost, which includes discarding a card, you can't activate the ability.

>>46196828
No

>>46196636

Just do all your shenanigans during your end step.

>>46196943
You use sorceries. Not instants.

>>46196828

Am I an idiot, or does this suck cocks?

>>46196957

Git gud, fgt.

>>46195349
It is a type, and it has to be a type for it to work the way its intended. A common misconception is that it is a supertype, and indeed when it was revealed people where wondering why it was a type rather than a supertype.

The thing is, only types can have subtypes. Since they wanted noncreature spells to be able to have creature types in Lorwyn block they had to invent a new type which could share subtypes with the creature type. Because, you can't have it work just one way. If you decide that noncreature spells can have creature subtypes then that also means that Creatures can have noncreature subtypes so that effects that allow you to change creature types would also allow you to choose Arcane and Shrine, for example.

>>46196960
>Enable Madness by discarding
>Enable Delirium by milling 1
>Enable Delirium by sacrificing an enchantment
>Destroy a creature
You suck cock

>>46196967
Go nurse on a jewish teat, shill.

>>46196960
Its fine as a madness/delirium enabler

>>46196960
You're an idiot, it's fucking good.


>pay 1 life
>mill self one
>discard card
>kill opponents creature
>cast discarded card for madness cost
>enchantment now in graveyard, milled card now in graveyard, possibly madness card in graveyard

It enables delirium and madness like nobodies business.

>>46196992

Go bash your Craw Wurms together, pleeb. High test combos are not for the likes of you.

>>46196960
It's only good if you have madness stuff. Otherwise the discard as cost is pretty bad.

>>46197003
>Its only good in the decks that want to run it
No shit

>>46197003
Goyf is bad in a vacuum too.

This set is built around delirium and madness, this card supports them extremely well.

>>46197028
Goyf is not bad in a vacuum, that's why you just toss him into almost everything outside of combo and tribal.

>>46197041
>hurr durr what is a vacuum

>>46197053
Not what you think it means.

>>46197053

If your "point" is that a "deck" consisting of a single copy of 'goyf is not good, then congratulations on reaching a new low-point in /tg/ history.

>>46197053
In a vacuum, the only good cards are memnite, ornithopter and the other free cards because in a vacuum you don't have lands.
Stop being a retard, goyf doesn't need specificly building around.

>>46197081
>>46197071
>>46197067
the entire point was to show that no card exists in a vacuum you dumb shits.

>>46197107
You did a bad job. Goyf is a Good Stuff card not a synergy card like that enchantment.

>>46197107

The only thing you've demonstrated is your own dumb shittery.

>>46197107
Nice backtracking there mate. Maybe next time think about what you're saying first?

>>46197176
>>46197119
>>46197115
pls no bully

>>46197194

Take a step back, have a good hard look at your own life, then literally fuck yourself in your own ass.

Post pics.

Goyf is not that good without fetchlands

Still solid but not worth $200

It's fetchlands that really make him work

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>>46196983
I understand that this is the way it works but I still think it's fucking bullshit. It's really counter-intuitive that Tribal is a card type. They have rules lawyers, they could've just changed the rules so that it works as a supertype. They could write a new rule that's like xxx.xx: Tribal is a supertype that appears on noncreature cards and grants them creature types. This is an exception to the rule that says noncreature cards can't have creature types.

Would that have been so difficult?

>>46195746
It will be a green legendary creature with some black activated ability. Thos set do far seems to support friendly pairs with multicolor cards and enemy pairs with splashable cards.

>>46197267
As with basically everything else. I just woke up, but from the top of my head:

>enables greedy manabases
>allows intuitive manabuilding on the fly
>tuck & re-arrange badly timed cards
>incremental card advantage

There's plenty more that allows to say fetches we're a big mistake.

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>>46195746

>>46197293
Tribal only feels stupid and unintuitive because it more often than not has fuckall synergy with anything in the game. The only reason most people even know it exists is because of Goyf. We need more cards that actually care if you're going to be casting a noncreature treefolk/fairy/goblin/merfolk/etc spell. The rules for Tribal make sense from a programmer's perspective but not from a gameplay perspective.

>>46196462
So huh I don't understand. You guys don't like free 3/3's or something?

I mean in Legacy of course it doesn't matter, you have completly gross cards like Ichorid that will completly annihilate your opponent, but in Modern dredge this could be a potential contender for a more consisten version of the deck.

I mean come on, getting Bloodghasts and this dude for free ( even though it's at end step, but oh well ... ) is nothing to scoff at. I personally think that at least some people will try to make a more aggroish version of Dredge with this on the table.

That said, completly bonkers in limited if you play UB zombies. Not sure for standard but that could be neat.

>>46197367
Oooooh good call

>>46197386
This fixes none of modern dredge problems, but do go on retard.

>>46197386
Relentless Dead chumping or paired with any sac outlet. You do need another zombie in the yard though.

>>46197367
That's adorable.

>>46197488
I'm going to admit I didn't see much of Modern Dredge, but from my side of things, I've seen them having trouble getting some comboes going. They need some bloodghasts and stuff to activate things like Vengevine and sometimes they just do absolutly nothing the whole game due to either lack of mana of any board presence, really.

But this card could maybe reinforce the deck, in a sense that it could be good in conjunction with Vengevine? Again, a 3/3 doesn't seem impressive, but for a deck that will constantly get it back, it can be super good.

>>46197571
>Vengevine

>>46197585

There's two dredge decks in modern, Dredgevine and Zombie Infestation. Infestation is better right now, but this new zombie could work out pretty well in the Vengevine decks.

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>>46197544
>>46197367
>Inexorable Mass
>2G
>Creature - Ooze
>Delirium - Whenever Inexorable Mass attacks and there are at least four card types among cards in your graveyard, put a 3/3 green Ooze creature token onto the battlefield tapped and attacking.

>>46197776
Sweet

>>46197367
>>46197544
>>46197776
This is less adorable

>>46197776
Sort of disappointing, especially for the rarity.

>>46197807
3 mana for a 3/3 with an upside. What more do you want, man?

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>>46197776
Créature: limon

>>46196492
UB Zombies making a comeback in Modern.
Here's hoping.

>>46197836
I would have prefered if it at least had Hexproof like Geist, it should have been printed at uncommon.

>>46197776
>It doesn't even duplicate itself

Did /tg/ ever get a preview card from Wizards? It seems like any site with a big community gets one these days.

>>46197866
>Did /tg/ ever get a preview card from Wizards? It seems like any site with a big community gets one these days.
I second this
Jeuxvideo.com has pretty much no links to M:tG

>>46197836
By turn four, assuming you've enabled delirium, it's entirely possible your opponents can block and kill a 3/3. So you've essential worked the perfect hand for a tapped 3/3 token and three life off your opponents total, assuming he didn't also kill the token.
I guess it's okay for standard(?), but I doubt it's going to shake up any eternal formats. Still, I guess I should be happy for ANY ooze. Cool creatures.

>>46197866
>Wizards officially coming to /tg/
Fucking hell, imagine that thread

>>46197863
Would you like flash as well while we're pushing this card? I mean it's not really necessary on a 3/3 that makes a 3/3 when it attacks but I agree that it should be stronger than Brimaz somehow.

>>46197872
Limited

>>46197883
Rare.

>>46197886
Not mythic

>>46197882
It need haste, lifelink, vigilance, deathtouch and trample.

>>46197876
Imagine all the people who feel the need to bring up MaRo, Limited, and [imbalanced card] in every thread, all shitposting at once. It would be glorious.

>>46197776
Ooze of Saint Traft

>>46197890
Pack Rat was rare. When people wondered why they'd made such a limited bomb Wizards response was that only commons and uncommons are intended for limited. If a card is put at rare or mythic it's either because they know it would be degenerate in drafts or because it was never considered for it.

>>46197882
What the fuck would Flash add? I need to attack with it to trigger the token generation. I think I'd rather bust out some Predator Oozes than this card.

>>46197776
JUND OLIVIA OOZE COMBO

>>46197906
That doesn't mean that rare cards can't be limited bomb if you get them

>>46197921
It does mean that a rare being a bomb in limited is never the reason it's in the set.

>>46197924
Yes, I never disagreed with that

>>46197882
You're forgetting how inconvenient delirium is. I don't know why you're all assuming you'll have it turn 2, 4 at the very latest, and that nothing will ever disrupt that.
I like cards that can stand on their own but get great with help. This does nothing on its own, then gets playable with help.

>>46197961
>if it doesn't adhere to my arbitrary rules for "liking" a card then it's unplayable

>>46197776
What the fuck? This is complete garbage!
It's like the shittiest Geist of Saint Traft-esque creature they could think of.

Better options:
>deathtouch for it and the tokens
or
>copy itself rather than crating some useless token
or
>indestructible and if delirium is online it gets +1/+1 for each other ooze you control
or
>sacrifice an ooze: return ~ from your graveyard to the battlefield. activate only as sorcery

But no... what a shitty design.

>>46197976
Wouldn't it be completely blown up by the new white removal if it copied itself? But yeah it's a shitty ooze at that rarity.

>>46195932
WB Lifesteal Allies. Anguished Unmaking looks great as a 4-of for removal.

I'm not a spike And the deck's nearly complete

>>46197961
>one sac land
>one creature
>one tribal spell or sorcery

It's actually not that hard to get it set up by turn three, senpai. The major problem is that it doesn't do anything when you cast it and it's really easy to kill. You're only going to get one to two tokens at most out of it if your opponent isn't retarded.

>>46198020
It's already blown out by most, if not all, the removal in the set so far. That's not necessarily a reason to not play a card, though. I'd prefer probably play it alongside Olivia for shits and giggles.

It'll see play for almost the same reason Rabblemaster saw play.

>>46198069
>vampire ooze
I like the way you think

>>46198146
>vampoos

>>46196988
You forgot
>Life manipulation for the 13 life win con

>>46198059
That's a big stretch to go through just to have you opponent zap it or play a 3/4. It's not bad, just needs a keyword. After all it's a rare ffs, it's supposed to have some complexity.
Should have been uncommon. It's perfectly fine at uncommon.

>>46198251
It only makes you loose life. If anything it'd make YOU closer to 13.

>>46198343
Not when you're on 13

>>46196462
does this guy trigger himself?

>something returns from graveyard, trigger
>next end step he returns, (trigger?)
>if he dies before the next end step he returns because of himself returning the previous end step?

>>46197876
>>46197871
Someone should send them an e-mail. As long as they don't try to pass a bad card of as something amazing it would be fine.

>>46194856

The art in this card is fucking weird. Is that the cgi kraken artist?

>>46196585
Does that frog have bushido 2?

>>46198536
More or less, yeah.

>>46198475
if wizards sent a card it would be an unplayable timmy bulk rare and we would have to say it is a vintage staple

>>46196462
Has some cute potential with undying

>>46196462

This guy looks pretty alright. UB zombies hás at least 4 good ones: nantuko husk, relentless dead, diregraf something, this guy.

>>46196462
Tapped AND at the end of the turn?

Overkill

"Its for limited" is not a viable excuse. "Its for EDH" is not a viable excuse. The limited focused products are for limited and the EDH products are for EDH. Main sets should primarily focus on standard then secondarily on modern. Legacy and vintage should see at least one card aimed at doing SOMETHING to those formats. Good EDH and limited cards should be a happy coincidence and nothing more.

>>46196462
>Use Relentless Dead as a blocker or sac it on your opponent's turn with some mana spare.
>Bring Relentless Dead back into your hand when it inevitably dies and bring some one or two drop back on to the battlefield.
>At the end of your opponent's turn, Prized Amalgam also hops back on to the battlefield tapped at the end step
>Untaps at the beginning of your upkeep, no summoning sickness

I don't see the problem? It's pretty easy to trigger on your opponent's turn if you've got a Relentless Dead out.

>>46198617
you can't really give cards for Vintage without them being fundamentally broken in standard.

>>46198664
That is not a valid reason to ignore them. I also said "Something" for a reason. Be it a card the opens gateways to no tactics or whatnot. It does not have to actually impact the formats but it should try to.

>>46198664
>Treasure Cruise
>See the unwritten

>>46198701
treasure cruise is just a power 9 in disguise, and even in standard it functioned that way, just later on in the game than in vintage.

it was a design failure of a card and a mechanic, and we all suffered under its big brother Dig Through Time.

>>46198357
It won't be in the graveyard to see itself entering the battlefield. When an ability says "from the graveyard" it only notices stuff while it's in the graveyard.

>>46198715
No we didn't, it was a completely fine mechanic for blue doing what it was supposed to do.

>>46198664
That is a straight up lie.

Off the top of my head you could print like a 1 mana RiP which would have major impact in Vintage, Legacy and even Modern but not really matter in standard. Or hate cards aside you can print cards whose power rely on the power of the cards around it, so cards that get better the more back (format wise) you go.

>>46198745
>blue with its ole graveyard manipulation

it was piggy back riding on black, because Sultai is green black blue, so all 3 colors got access to the mechanic.

its clear Delve was highly, highly under-valued in development, or Cruise and Dig would never exist, and Cruise sure as FUCK wouldn't be a common.

>>46198745
Cruise was the best common printed in a decade.

in all formats it was a Power 9, the only format it was fine in was standard because it lacked cohesive ways to dump early.

it was never fine, it was a mythic level power card in a common body, and one that would never exist if anyone payed attention.

as with all of the delve cards you just put your thumb over the generic casting cost and realize that by turn 4ish you pay it for that.

>>46198800
>mythic level
>Higher rarity means/should mean higher power
When will this meme die?

>>46198825
never because its almost always been true beyond the "LOL SO WACKY" mythics.

its a "rare" then, whatever, whining about about specifics when you know exactly what I mean is the height of fucking smug douchebaggery.

>>46198761
>>46198800
Yet we didn't see standard breaking. My point is it's the negation of the "you can't really give cards for Vintage without them being fundamentally broken in standard." argument. In standard it was a good mechanic, with some nice interactions but didn't come even close to warping the format.

>>46195002
Back in my day standard two drops had 3 power and haste.

>>46195746
Green and Blue, not Green and Black as everybody says.

Was Ruse Cruise a card you would gladly run 2-3 of in Limited? Because I don't remember it being a common ruining anything.

>>46198536
No, it's a toad.

>>46198629
Yeah, it ain't that bad. There's the issue that casting Relentless Dead T2 and Prized Amalgam T3 you need a very specific sequence of land drops, but eh.

The most interesting trait of Prized Amalgam is that your opponent returning a creature to the field from the 'yard triggers the ability, so its actually a pretty great card against other graveyard-shenanigans-based decks.

>>46198923
What card are you referring to?

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>>46199006
>Implying it was that long ago

>>46198995
I always liked this effect, River Kelpie is on my top ten of fave MTG cards. I just wish it did something other be a kind of efficient body.

Like, if it was a 2/2 that cantripped or froze a guy or something.

Then I'd run it in EDH. It just isn't good in a format with 40 life. It doesn't do enough.

>>46199021
I was trying to think of monored cards. My bad. That saw Standard play?

>>46199080
Actually, not that much. Aggro decks back then were either monored or naya, i dont recall many aggresive lists running BR, at least when RTR block was still kind of fresh.

>>46199080
BR aggro decks were an outsider in RTR-THS standard. Sadly it couldn't punch through mono U even when your entire board got intimidate because two of mono U's creatures were ACCIDENTALLY black and red, and intimidate is useless against mono B. And Thoughtseize just guts your curve. UWx control was a pretty good matchup for the deck. I played it exclusively at FNM and it came to be known as the best deck to never come 1st. Came 2nd like 10 times though.

>>46199080
Shred freak was the preferred choice thanks to devotion being a thing. He was a flexible card in red devotion, black devotion, and R/B devotion.

>>46199095
Oh right, Hybrid, I was confused. Sucks, man. Least menace won't do that shit any more.

>>46199094
Standard looks like a nightmare to keep track of. But I like seeing cards like Rally the Ancestors see play despite originally being named the biggest jank ever.

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>>46199225
>Least menace won't do that shit any more.
Back in MY day...

>>46199067
Yeah, it's hard to remove and it has a couple tricks to it but lets face it: its meant for Standard and not much else.

Still, I'll be getting some. I love thematic decks and zombies are a very cool theme.

>>46195028
>Modern-playable

wut

shit sucks its not worth running. Eidolons already got its slot.

Reminder to get your Courser of Kruphix copies while you can before Delirium becomes a Modern deck.

>>46199458
I wish it was more skaaby. I need my exile bodies in graveyards fix.

>>46198863
I'd argue that while this was certainly true in rtr, which was filled with pushed rates, we've seen a very healthy amount of uncommon removal, one-drops, and so on. For every geist there is a delver, for every batterskull there is a probe and a dismember, for every monastery mentor there is a swiftspear, for every dig a cruise.

>>46195362

Oh no it's not like you have a billion clue tokens or maybe, wait you sacrifice Nephalia Drownyward adding to delirium count and then you can bring back the Drownyward later.

>>46199630
>replying to an 8 and a half hour old post

>>46197776
Hey, they made a card based on my mom, awesome.

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>>46199651
I honestly didn't expect it after the controversy over that card with me and your sister on it

>>46199695
You've got a pretty sweet rack, anon.

>>46199695
You make a cute trap. Why did anon's butch sister beat you up?

>>46199642

I was asleep!

>>46199706
Cheers

>>46199713
Jealousy, obvs

>>46198547

Chubb Bushi comic when?

>>46199523
Please elaborate (I can't be fucked to think at this hour)

Also been out of magic for a while. Have 3 coursers now, might get a fourth foil.

>>46194883
>Two
Whats the first?

>>46195362
it's artifact creature or enchantment dumbass

>>46195205
It's a super high quality scan during leak season. Do you really need to call fake?

>>46199868
Well Courser has always been a card on the cusp of being playable, and it works well with delirium since it has 2 card types.

>>46199871
The devil ghat burns and draws cards, and arguably the 4/5 flying haste for 4. Gibbering fiend is also a solid card if red gets an easy delirium enabler

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frog

>>46199955
combo with Crucible of Worlds

So if the creature dies to first strike damage does that mean the normal combat damage hits the player?

>>46199955
From anywhere, nice. I like it a lot.

>>46199955
>from anywhere
S E L F M I L L
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>>46199986
Common delirium enablers means printing enchantments that are clearly just artifacts in disguise.

>>46199985
Not unless trample is involved. Blocked is blocked.

Lots of new players make that assumption though, don't feel bad.

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Jesus Christ Wizards, Oath of Nissa wasn't enough?

>>46199955
MOLTEN
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>>46199955
How long until Pepe edits?

I predict 30 minutes

>>46199955
Fucking brutal.

>>46200031
I predict they already exist.

>>46200026
Fuck off, Green deserve more Commune with Nature or Ancient Stirrings effects.

>>46199955
It's sadly really good. I'd love to have an affordable legendary frog.

>>46200083
>The artist started out by tracing a rare pepe

>>46200026
Wait, why doesn't this say "a permanent card"?

>>46199955
PRAISE KEK

>>46200106
It's not a permanent yet if it's not on the field

>>46200006
Sultai Frog here I come!

I'm already thinking on possible decks on EDH too, fuck I think this is my fav spoiler so far.

>>46200106
They made a typo

It obviously should have said "a card".

Also "Reveal" was an obvious printing mistake from having printed on older cards.

Silly Wizards.

>>46200106
Cards aren't permanents. Permanents only exist on the battlefield. Even though all those cards would become permanents once they come into play.

I think.

>>46199986
This costs about as much as casting and flashbacking your Lingering Souls. They really don't want to print powerful cards anymore.

>>46200101
Don't you mean a "mythic rare pepe"?

Does the whole set get spoiled this friday or next week?

>>46200026
Holy fuck green has better card/draw manipulation than blue at this point.

>>46200131
>1G, Sacrifice ~: the top four cards of your library.
The fuck are you on about

>>46200142
>>46200126
So? It's still a "permanent card", just like instant/sorcery subtypes are "spell types" even when they're not on the stack and even though other subtypes can also be on the stack.

>>46200016
Isn't this card a bit brutal?

>>46200106
Too confusing for noobs.

>>46199986
Trash. Wouldn't play even in limited.

>>46200006
Enables Delirium pretty damn well. 3 for drawing a card is utter trash though.

>>46200016
Works well with the exile matters theme from BFZ block. Useless unless you draft SoI alongside BFZ.

>>46200026
Fuckin' awesome, 9/10 for a common.

>>46200157
Would have been better if it sac'd and gave you three 1/1 spirit tokens.

>>46199955
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Qq31ucGy0

>>46200187
>Sac Worldspine from the deck
>Get 2 3/3 tokens for 2CMC

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>>46199955
>>46200031


10000 hours

>>46200157
Could've been 4 1/1 spirits, the blue card from the Font cycle which was similar was the whole cost of Think Twice to play/activate

>>46200194
It's Witness the End without life loss, it's alright.

>>46199955
How come frogs get a legendary before spiders, snakes, lizards and insects do?

>>46200232
Change the name for Mythic Rare Pepe

>>46200228
Ahh, confused worldspine with wurmcoil

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>>46200126
>>46200142
What's all this then?

>>46199955

Would it be possible to combo this with any lands which have an effect that make you sac a land?

So you sac a land in upkeep to prevent the frog from dying, then do the lands own self sac ability in response to that?

Or have I got everything wrong there?

>>46200232
>The Gitgud Monster

>>46194856
Jesus, that art is terrible.

>>46200242
I guess I was mistaken.

It's probably so new players aren't confused then.

>>46199955

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/sacrifice-2016-03-23

It's actually Hypnotoad.

All hail the Gitrog.

All is sacrifice.

>>46200242
Permanent cards aren't permanents.

>>46200250
If you sac the land for the frog, it's sac'ed. If you put the land trigger above the frog trigger, you sac the land for the land and then have to sacrifice another for the frog.

>>46200240
You do know that milling the engine doesn't give you the tokens, right?

>>46200232
Needs to be called Gitgud monster and have Wojak's arm coming out of his mouth

>>46200168
I typed that first. Then it sounded dumb so I deleted the mythic part.

>>46200006

>3 mana sorcery speed draw one

blue just can't get a break, can it?

>>46200126
>>46200142
Don't be dumb. A permanent card is a card that is a permanent when it resolves or enters the battlefield.

>>46200199
I don't get it. Nature's Spiral wasn't.

>>46200192
They aren't spell cards.

>>46200168
Lost it.

>>46200274
Who said anything about milling?

>>46200289
>Nature's Spiral
Came out 2011 or earlier.
Wotc had just started caring about new players then.

>>46200287
It isn't sorcery speed.

>>46200279
>dumb
You mean a perfect example of meme magic.

>>46200309
Casting the enchantment is.

>>46200303
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Nature's Spiral though.

I guess they figured if they have to print that giant reminder text anyway, they may as well just make it rules text.

>>46200309
To do it for 3 mana at once, it is. Stop trying to be clever.

>>46200242
Yeah those guys are just retards.

>>46200297
>sac worldspine from the deck
That guy. In case it's you and for his benefit regardless, you cannot sac from your deck. It's commonly known as milling when you put cards from the top of your deck into your graveyard.

>>46200265
RETARD

>>46200232
That ain't even the same background. Pretty lame meme overall.

>>46200289
>They aren't spell cards.
?

>>46200350
Creature cards aren't creatures either.

>>46200332
>Implying new mechanics can't be made.

>>46199955
So, how many mythics are we actually getting?

Do they dodge out on a mono green mythic with the "but 3 duo-colored mythics with green!!!" excuse or what?

>>46200400
>dodge out
>excuse
Considering it's their product, they can do what the fuck they like

>>46200379
Ah, you're just retarded. I always seem to forget /tg/ is as bad at Magic as it is.

>>46200435
And you seem to think that WotC cant change the rules.

>>46199955
Well that just seems annoying

>>46200367
There's a reason the exact phase "instant or sorcery" appears a billion times on MTG cards. Instant or sorceries are nonpermanent cards, but they aren't called spell cards like in heartstone, because everything that you cast (i.e. not lands) are spells when they are on the stack.

>>46200457
>I'm still delusional about how cards work and refuse to learn.

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>>46199955

Why is Pepe good again?

>>46200434
Fuck off, that defence covers the tranny in Tarkir and the Theros faggots.

>>46200474
>There's a reason the exact phase "instant or sorcery" appears a billion times on MTG cards
The correct wording should be interrupt and noninterrupt cards.

Why isn't there any good werewolves yet?

>>46200499
Legendary RG werewolf mythic in set 2.

>>46200499
Because werewolves have a shitty mechanic.

>>46200493
>I'm a troll

Just stop

Mausoleum Guard is my fave DFC.

>>46200513
Who are you quoting?

>>46199955
>>46200486
Play junk, sac drownyard to angelic purge ect.

>>46200250
Only thing that comes to mind is boom//bust.

>>46200507
Could still come as a rare.

>>46200486
>Nahiri was just summoning pepe
It all makes sense

>>46200532
Literal meme Magic.

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>>46200490
>still this mad over cardboard

>>46198308
This. We had iora's champion at uncommon in Origins. This dog is the same power level.
Iora's Champion
1RW
2/2 double strike

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How to build a deck around this??

>>46200576
>still bringing your SJW social politics into card games

>>46200584
>three mana
>same power level as a two mana

>>46200591
56 swamps
4 13spooky4me

It practically builds itself

>>46200591
Use it with Searing Flesh and Blessed Wind in sideboard in case the opponent is playing life gain.

>>46200527
On second thought that won't even work because it's sorcery speed, derp.

>>46200598
>not wanting to feminine penises depicted in your cardboard

>>46200591
Step 1: Open it in draft
Step 2: Play a black deck

There you go, the card at its most viable.

>>46200650
>draft
What a filthy casual.