/hwg/ - Historical Wargames General

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>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black+Powder.pdf
>Bolt Action
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.nz/#F!s9xTTDpQ!CasEjRETeqZsJ5LOzYrJdg
>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+-+Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
>Warmaster Ancients
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster+Ancients.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster+Ancient+Armies.pdf
>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>Impetus
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Ronin
http://www.mediafire.com/download/m8xke04pc3hne2k/Ronin.pdf
>Battleground WWII
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>By Fire And Sword
https://mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Modelling & painting guides
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Next War (GMT)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/eupungrg93xgb/Next_War

Desired scans :
Battlegroup supplements
Black Powder supplements
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Hail Caesar! Late Antiquity to Early Medieval Army List
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest
Germany Strikes!

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March 22nd in military history:

871 – Æthelred of Wessex defeats a Danish invasion army at the Battle of Marton.
1622 – Jamestown massacre: Algonquian Indians kill 347 English settlers around Jamestown, Virginia, a third of the colony's population, during the Second Anglo-Powhatan War.
1713 – The Tuscarora War comes to an end with the fall of Fort Neoheroka, effectively opening up the interior of North Carolina to European colonization.
1739 – Nader Shah occupies Delhi in India and sacks the city, stealing the jewels of the Peacock Throne.
1849 – The Austrians defeat the Piedmontese at the Battle of Novara.
1916 – The last Emperor of China, Yuan Shikai, abdicates the throne and the Republic of China is restored.
1920 – Azeri and Turkish army soldiers with participation of Kurdish gangs attacked the Armenian inhabitants of Shushi (Nagorno Karabakh).
1939 – World War II: Germany takes Memel from Lithuania.
1942 – World War II: In the Mediterranean Sea, the Royal Navy confronts Italy's Regia Marina in the Second Battle of Sirte.
2004 – Ahmed Yassin, co-founder and leader of the Palestinian Sunni Islamist group Hamas, two bodyguards, and nine civilian bystanders are killed in the Gaza Strip when hit by Israeli Air Force AH-64 Apache fired Hellfire missiles.

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It is 394 years since the Massacre of 1622 in the English Colony of Virginia, in what now belongs to the United States. Entering the colony in the guise of trading, the Powhatan grabbed any tools or weapons available and killed all English settlers they found, including men, women and children of all ages. Chief Opechancanough led a coordinated series of surprise attacks by the Powhatan Confederacy that killed 347 people, a quarter of the English population of Jamestown. Relations had never been good; "There is scarce any man among us," reported one colonist," that doth soe much as afforde them [the Indians] a good thought in his hart and most men with their mouthes give them nothinge but maledictions and bitter execrations."

Jamestown, founded in 1607, was the site of the first successful English settlement in North America, and was then the capital of the Colony of Virginia. Its tobacco economy led to constant expansion and seizure of Powhatan lands, which ultimately provoked a violent reaction. Although Jamestown was spared due to a timely last-minute warning, the Powhatan also attacked and destroyed many smaller settlements along the James River. In addition to killing settlers, the Powhatan burned houses and crops. The English abandoned many of the smaller settlements after the attacks.

The Powhatans had tried continuously to trade food and furs for European metal implements and even copper, but the English would have none of that. Opechancanough began to hatch a plot to eliminate – or at least badly scare – the English colonists. Even though the Powhatans and the European settlers kept each other at arm’s length, the Indians were still allowed to come to most settlers’ houses and settlements and trade for food. His plan sought to take advantage of this process. Despite the eight years since the end of the war on the Powhatans, many of the colonists had grown complacent. Consequently, the chosen day for the Indian attack came as a great shock to many.

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>>46174187
The night before the appointed day, however, a young Powhatan boy named Chanco went to his part-time employer, a Richard Pace, to warn him of the impending attack. Mr. Pace gathered his family and rowed a boat across the James River to Jamestown to spread the alarm. As a result, the main settlement at Jamestown escaped harm. Many of the other settlements were not so lucky. As John Smith relates in his History of Virginia, the Indians “came unarmed into our houses with deer, turkeys, fish, fruits, and other provisions to sell us.” Then, without warning, the Powhatans grabbed knives, hatchets, hammers, anything to hand, and attacked the colonists, killing without regard to age or gender. After they had killed as many English as they could, the Indians set fire to houses, barns, sheds, churches and fields.

In all, the official death toll was set at 347, but many settlements were decimated by the attackers and no reports were sent to London, so the total was likely higher. In addition, about 20 women were captured at the Martin’s Hundred settlement. Some were eventually ransomed. The settlement of Henricus – where a school for English and Indian children had been established – was a particular target of the raiders. Despite the devastating blow dealt to the settlers, Chief Opechancanough did not follow up his attack. He merely withdrew his people back to their settlements and waited. Apparently, in spite of his experiences with the Europeans, he thought the English would react like Indians would in similar circumstances: withdraw from the disputed area and go elsewhere. If this was the case, then Opechancanough badly misread his foe. Late in the year, the English began to retaliate against the Powhatans, By May of the next year, Opechancanough asked for a truce to negotiate.

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>>46174199
The English, who agreed to the meeting, then decided to attempt to end the hostilities – in their own way. When the two sides met to talk, the English offered the Powhatans wine for a friendship toast. However, the wine was poisoned, and some 200 Indians died on the spot. Fifty others were dispatched by the English with weapons. Despite this, Chief Opechancanough escaped back to his people. No real resolution took place until twenty-two years later, when a Second Anglo-Powhatan War took place.

Meanwhile within the Virginia Company a debate ensued over enslavement versus extirpation with integration now in full retreat. Since the Indians were better woodsmen and could not be easily caught, putting them to work in the mines and fields of the English would not be a simple task. Virginians had given their answer in the forms of burning Indian villages, destroyed crops, and other measures of retribution. The new policy of the Virginia Company ended in failure. In 1624, the company was dissolved and the King placed Virginia under his own control.

Recent accounts of the attack often note that it took place on Good Friday. This is incorrect. No contemporary accounts of the attack mention Good Friday, but rather "on the Friday morning (the fatal day) the 22 of March." March 22, 1622 was a Friday. Good Friday that year fell on April 19, nearly a month after the attack. The idea that the attack fell on Good Friday seems to have begun years later, as part of mythmaking.

http://home.earthlink.net/~cyberkiwi/soldiers/scenario7.html

http://www.mediafire.com/download/0isrbf2e99uysru/Osprey+-+FOR+101+-+The+Forts+of+Colonial+North+America.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/62pnomqjmzlcscc/Osprey+-+MAA+228+-+American+Woodland+Indians.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/pucp7a363cgc987/Osprey+-+MAA+366+-+Colonial+American+Troops+1610-1774+%281%29.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/u8t01phkj4hvulr/Osprey+-+MAA+428+-+Indian+Tribes+Of+The+New+England+Frontier.pdf

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>>46174218
>the English offered the Powhatans wine for a friendship toast. However, the wine was poisoned

Thats a pretty fitting way to seek revenge actually

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Found a copy of FGU's Hearts of Oak; while somewhat old-fashioned now it's still superbly well-researched and would be of great interest to any Age of Sail gamer. It was the wargame equivalent to their Privateers and Gentlemen RPG, something I'd love to score a copy of one day.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/cdqdltubfgo1951/Hearts+Of+Oak+%28FGU%29.pdf

In Blucher is it better to mass artillery or attach it, or a bit of both and is contextual?

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>>46176079
General opinion seems to be that massed is better, but it is a little contextual.

For Russians it is basically always better to mass
For armies with a lot of infantry shooting bonuses (British and French) attaching becomes better than for other Nations because.

At my tournament this weekend there wasn't a lot of attached artillery and the army which won it all was a Russian army with 4 massed foot batteries and 2 massed heavies (the maximum allowed under tournament rules) so YMMV.

>>46175681
What is it about artillery that gives me such a giant erection?

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>>46176665
You relish the idea of a projectile being rammed into a long, hard steel rod then expelled at speed with a lot of noise and mess

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The Start of my 3mm WW2 Americans for (Deluxe) ASL. Quality of photo a bit shit but im pleased

>>46176692
Best I can come up with right now is the thought of the sheer destructive power in the hands of the user. Slap in a shell, let it fly, and ruin the day of someone very, very far away.

>>46176992

Also, it's pretty neat that gunners are killing people with math (at least when using indirect fire).

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>>46176665
"In modern warfare, artillery is a god... Artillery, massive artillery decides the fate of the war"
-Joseph Stalin

are there any good movies/tv series about ww2 seen by the germans?
only watched generation war and stalingrad (the old movie) for now

>>46179194
Longest Day at least has some fun German bits.

>>46179194
Cross of Iron?

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>>46178863

me and my friends have been looking into pike and shot, Hail caeser and black powder. When you play those games do you have to stick to specific or can you have for example Vikings vs romans in hail caeser?

Just to stir shit up again a bit...

In last thread, the German Hetzer in grey was a bit controversial. One anon asked why is it grey, and basically his fucking throat was ripped out in the name of "IT'S HIS FUCKING MINIATURE", but I'd disagree. It's his miniature, yes, but it's also a historical piece of equipment, with lots of documentations available for basically any kind of specification, colors included. Painting it Dunkelgelb or Resedagrün would've been just as easy, and some basic camo patterns like bigger dots wouldn't be too hard, considering how weathering basically blends the thing together beautifully.

When you pick up historical games, you pick them up for the history part for most of the time. It takes almost zero effort to get the right colours for a Hetzer in WW2. There are tons of games if you want to go as ahistorical as possible, but even with the WW2-lite approach of Bolt Action, some kind of background reading is very much needed. Because that's the fun part. If you don't want to do it, ask a friend to help you out, the folks who enjoy this kind of thing are usually really helpful (at least from my example - if anyone comes asking about a uniform, a tank color or anything, I'll gladly help). I guess it wasn't the anon who painted it that jumped at throats, but I'd recommend delving into tank colours bit deeper for your next tank - the Tank Encyclopedia is a great help for getting some inspiration online. Or if you ever want to paint it to a more traditional color, spraying the whole vehicle (except for the commander and the tracks, obviously) with chipping medium, then applying Dunkelgelb/Resedagrün, then a heavy chipping plus a good backstory. and you're set. Don't get me wrong, the paintjob is really cool, and if you ever plan to do Early War tanks, they'll look really good.

>>46179194
Der Untergang (downfall) and Das Boot are both top tier german movies.

There is a pretty old (black/white) movie called "Die Brücke". Not sure about an english translation. Its great. Avoid the remake (20xx) though, its utter trash tv tier.

>>46180270
Since they both use the same rules and thus statted up accordingly, I'd say you can, but my question would be why.

>>46180270
I mean I guess but why even bother playing historicals at that point?

>>46180383
>One anon asked why is it grey, and basically his fucking throat was ripped out in the name of "IT'S HIS FUCKING MINIATURE"
As someone who participated in that discussion the response was more "That isn't right and I wouldn't do it like that but it looks cool" with 1 guy repeatedly posting that we were faggots for saying so.

>>46180270

Ahistorical match ups used to happen all the time in warhammer ancient battles back when they had tournaments.

I think HC said something about it in the introduction to the rule book but I forget. The main issue is if stats/point-costs/special rules are imbalanced between different eras so if you don't care or are willing to give it a shot anyway then go for it

>>46179306
If only there was sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcKhS7ly8ig

>>46180664
In tournaments this often can't be helped and people dont care.

Intentionally planning that sort of game between friends though is something you don't see often.

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>>46180454

they're probably more interested in semi historical than historical. Which is fair since it limits you less and you can just do whatever.

>>46175681
>>46176665
>>46178863
>>46179306

I second the artillery boner.

>>46180761
>Which is fair since it limits you less and you can just do whatever.
Then why don't you play fantasy?

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>>46180655
He could go with a fictional but plausible explanation that the hetzer was assigned to/appropriated by Kregismarine fighting as infantry in the last few months of the war

>>46180838

some people are into different shit. Lots of people like playing saga, and that game is basically the same thing. Games were made for fun, including historical ones. I can get why one, personally, wouldn't want to. But really, somebody doing something a different way is no big deal.

Also, I don't play any wargames at all, don't have the friend-base for it. I'd be stoked as all get out to play something for the war of 1812 though.

>>46180942
>I'd be stoked as all get out to play something for the war of 1812 though.
Grab two 6mm armies and paint them, as the old saying goes, "if you build it, they'll come".

For the "fun" part...yeah, but if you don't find making your minis as close as historically accurate as possibl with some obvious compromises, then historical wargaming is really not for you. For example, besides making those who care about this angry, painting French infantry in vivid purple for Borodino, there's not much fun to be had.

>>46180838
Even in fictional games you get people who try to accurately represent the colours and markings of a faction.

Hell Warhammer 30k for example is basically a fictional historical game the way some people paint/model it.

>>46180852
>hat the hetzer was assigned to/appropriated by Kregismarine fighting as infantry in the last few months of the war

And why would the marine paint their hetzer grey?

>>46181047
>>46181059
Yeah, modern wargaming stucked in wanking on color of uniform instead playing. I don't say it's bad, but it's some reconstructor shit. Not wargaming at all.

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Dear /hwg/,

I present the perfect fusion of past and present. No need to thank me.

Casting Room Miniatures.

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>>46181490
And their nemeses.

>>46181203
Submarine on land!

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>>46181203
Same reason the SNLF did - some commander follows naval regulation to the letter so all equipment is to be battleship grey. We're in the realm of alternate history already, don't get too autistic about it

I have the battlegroup Kursk rules, but it's too large to upload

>>46181715
wait, no, I don't

>>46181490
>>46181511
Now where's the Osprey for these guys, then?

>>46181047

if I remember my point wasn't about the miniatures themselves not being historical, it was more about the weird lineups like vikings vs. romans. Some games are made for that kind of thing like Saga and DBA, or at least they allow for that kind of thing. IMO it's basically just a way for people to play different scenarios without having to buy too much, or playing one at all without having to buy more. Or people just being whimsical.

With regards to painting and such, I can agree with you to some point at least. If you're playing bolt action or flames of war or really any game - it only makes sense to paint them to a proper historical theme. If somebody wants to not do that, it's kinda bizarre, but if they and the people they play with are fine with it, I don't care too much - I mean, it's really just a bunch of counters, and they're their dudes. Of course, not being a player I'm probably less invested than I could be.

As for the if you build it they will come argument, the only things that have any kind of following here are warmahordes and 40k

>>46176935
Thats really shit.

>>46181235
this

>>46176935
>Downed YT1300 and Royal Guard Interceptor
Quite a bit of a boon for the Americans, yeah?

If you have any aperture control at all on your camera, use a higher aperture number and that will increase your depth of field so more of the picture will be in focus.

>>46183816
Thanks, will try that next time. The X wing stuff was more just for scale for friends who didnt really understand the scale.

>>46183711
Get fucked

>>46181235
This is why i stick to "lite" wargames such as BA or Saga. I love history, but when it comes to games i want fun.

>>46185271
The two doesn't cancel each other out FYI.

>>46185380
No, but wargaming is not only limited to the games itself, but you have to deal with players too. And with "hardcore" historical games you got a big chance to meet a certain kind of "hardcore" players and these people are the opposite of fun to deal with.

>>46185419
I guess I'm lucky with them - haven't really met a grognard that grognardy so far, but I guess in Hungary the historical scene is different. So far every wargamer I've met and talked with were great and helpful guys. May I ask from where do you hail?

And I'd consider myself one of those "hardcore" gamers if it means I try to get most of the details properly...but I'm not too anal about everything, and if you can come up with a suitable background for why did you do what you did, I'm fine with almost everything. Like the above mentioned Kriegsmarine Hetzer is a great idea, something like I've mentioned in >>46180383 as a good backstory.

>>46185419
>>46185551
For me the only historical players are 50-70 years old and pretty much jump at the chance for young players to join in. Mostly DBA and FoW though but theyre the nicest people ever.

>>46185419
>>46185271
If you dont want to adhere to history dont play historical games, simple.

>>46181715
>>46181759
I'm interested as to what happened here to make you think you had a rulebook you don't have.

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>>46187101
Fuck that noise.

History is no more sacred a setting for games than 40k. Because it's games, not a scholarly activity.

>>46187238
then play 40k then if you dont care about how things were

>>46187238
>>46187277
Gentlemen, let's not fight.
For some it is a game first history second hobby,
For others the history comes first,
and for others history and the game are equally important.

There isn't an objective answer here.

>>46187101
But surely most of the time with a historical wargame you're playing a scenario which did not actually happen, therefore not being history?

>>46187129
it's just the first 55 pages (all the rules but no army lists/painting guides/historical fluff)
Not that it matters, because I can't upload it as it's too big.

>>46187356
No??
I only play historical scenarios because im not a faggot who pretends to enjoy history

>>46187450
>going to do a History Masters in September
>tfw someone outs me as not actually enjoying history

Verdict: Yeah, nah.

>>46187543
>plays games with wrong colored minis, encourages vikings vs romans
>enjoys history

yeah, nah

>>46187568
>implying vikings didn't fight romans

>>46181490
>>46181511
Hell yeah. Can go with my Vietnam skellingtons.

>>46187568
>implying there is a problem with that.

>>46187277
So, all cold war gone hot scenarios are 40k now? Heh.

>>46187642
its inaccurate, if you enjoy history then inaccuracies are unacceptable

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>>46187316
This. I fucking love history, spend far too much time reading on esoteric topics related to it, and obsess over stupid minutia at times but damn it, I know where to draw the line when it comes to inflicting that on other people and toy soldier games is that line.

>>46187356
Hell no, most games are a-historical battles fought between whatever, usually from a related time period. Looking at the most popular games for this; Bolt Action and Flames of war allow for all sorts of WW2 match-ups and entirely a-historical forces. DBA and its followers in Field of Glory, Impetus and endless DBx variants does the same but with an even broader spectrum of history.

>>46187662
its non-historical at the very least

>>46187665
>if you enjoy history then inaccuracies are unacceptable

No, if you are an autist, then inaccuracies are unacceptable


>>46185551
See what i was talking about.. that kind of people. Nah, i'll stick to my "lite" wargames.

I feel so stupid when coming here, I have a vague interest in history as a whole but mostly read about WW2, but whenever i come here I realise I know nothing and I have no idea how to catch up

>>46187689
For sure, but it's definitely not 40keks.

>>46187739
Just pick a subject that seems interesting, watch a few documentaries and maybe pick up an Osprey about it for some introductory reading.
From there, just try looking for some more detailed sources.

>>46187568
The Vikings did fight the Romans though.

>>46187665
You are going to have a fit when people use the Hail Caesar fantasy ruleset to conquer Orcish barbarians with the Roman legions.

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>>46187409
I think that's already in the WWII folder anyways. Rules are there but no armylists/data tables so you can't actually use them iirc.

>>46187668
>Hell no, most games are a-historical battles fought between whatever

That's the point I was trying to angle at- BAM, FoW, Saga, what have you, are all undeniably historical wargames, even if not recreating actual historical battles.

>>46187665
I'm intrigued, how do you feel about Sharpe?

>>46187802
whats an osprey

>>46187867
A book by Osprey publishing. Or a big bird, depending on context.

>>46187867
Check the OP. Tons of reading material there. Just download whatever you find interesting and start reading.

I feel like the discussion right now is not making enough of a distinction between

> 'inaccuracy' as in bright pink tanks, Samurai vs Aztecs etc.

and

> 'Inaccuracy' as in 'Oh didn't you know the 17th Light Infantry Regiment's 4th and 7th companies had YELLOW facings not green!'

At least in my book, the latter is basically ignorable but the former is a little silly and probably isn't suited for historical games.

>>46187866
I derped on who the reply tag should have been to there.

Also Sharpe is super fun but I'd never play Nappies.

>>46187966
Addendum: Not that I'm saying Samurai vs Aztecs wouldn't be cool as heck.

>>46187966
>> 'inaccuracy' as in bright pink tanks, Samurai vs Aztecs etc.

I would also divide these two.

Having pink tanks with red dots and yellow stripes as camo is one thing, but having a battle with 2 armies from the same period of time covered by the same set of rules is another.
WW2 soviets vs WW2 americans in an "what-if" scenario are still "historical" enough for me to enjoy it, as long as both players painted their armies properly etc.

>>46188060
>>46188060
>as long as both players painted their armies properly etc.


this is the point, if youre not accurate to the colors youre not accurate to history

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>>46187101
It's not about history, it's about jerking off on some miniatures and painting instead playing.

>>46188098
You're never accurate to history anyway, delineating this by colours is arbitrary as fuck.

>>46188140
You make it sound like playing is the end goal of all things.
I personally paint the figures because I enjoy it and I play with them just because I have them and it's a bit of fun. Honestly I'd rather paint and research uniforms and never play than play but never take part in the "hobby" aspect.

>>46188098
For me its usually enough if the overall appearance is correct.
I don't need stuff like:
>'Oh didn't you know the 17th Light Infantry Regiment's 4th and 7th companies had YELLOW facings not green!'

Since i usually don't play historical scenarios but fictional battles with historical armies my ww2 germans are not an actual unit anyway. Just a Kampfgruppe from out of my mind that could have existed in that form, but hasn't in reality.

>>46188193
>You make it sound like playing is the end goal of all things.

You might shake your head or laugh about it but there are people out there who collect an army just to play. Nothing else. They may choose a historical game because of general interest or maybe because they like ww2 tanks but they have no desire at all to build/paint an army.

I know a few guys with armies/units/tanks bought from ebay already and one guy paints all his soldiers the same way: spray of the main color, flesh, wood, metal -> wash -> ready. His tanks are just sprayed.
I even offered to help him paint some of his units to a better standard but he wasn't interested. He just wants to play. He is nice and i like to play against him but looking at his units just makes me sad somehow.

>>46188405
At least he uses a wash to reach TT quality, most 40kids dont

>>46188405
>spray of the main color, flesh, wood, metal -> wash -> ready.


I do this, but i play 3-6mm exclusively please validate me

>>46188193
>You make it sound like playing is the end goal of all things.
I suppose it's wargame thread, not a models thread? Maybe i just new here, and don't understand something.

>>46188503
the tabletop/wargames hobby has many facettes.

I for example haven't played a single game in years. I still love to build and paint miniatures and tanks. So for me its 0% gaming, 80% painting and 20% reading at the moment, other people focus on a different aspect i guess.

>>46188503
Historical is the key word of the thread you fucking GW nigger

>>46188405
>You might shake your head or laugh about it but there are people out there who collect an army just to play
Not at all, and that's fine.

>>46188503
sure, and I play wargames, but what the guy I was replying to said is that painting my figures correctly is somehow LESS about history and is simply "jerking off" whatever that means.

>>46188549
play vs yourself????????????

Make fucking dioramas at least you shit fuck

>>46188583
what is your problem, if he likes the hobby aspect rather than the game aspect what is it to you?

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I feel I have really rushed through these, I couldn't get the uniform color right
what should I do to make them look better aside from the bases which I will do tomorrow anyway?

>>46188615
>HISTORICAL WARGAMES general
>HISTORICAL
>WARGAMES
>GAMES

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>>46188686
>I couldn't get the uniform color right
neither could they! zing!

>>46188686
Just need to smooth up some lines where I think either you drybrushed or the wash distorted it.

I think it looks good tho senpai

>>46188754
sorry for the heavy drybrush, reasons are:
>I need them for an upcoming match and we all want to have painted minis on the table
>I will eventually drop them since they are old pieces that suck compared to the new grenadiers

t-thanks

>>46188746
thanks history

>>46188686
maybe paint the "nets" on some of the helmets in a bit different color?

The machine gunner could get a bi-pod. I'm not sure if the old german sprue has one.

Besides that they look pretty decent to me. There is no "right" uniform color anyway. They are fieldgrey-ish and thats fine.

>>46188686
Looks pretty decent, at least close enough to be historically accurate.

>>46188696
>Aggressive
>No
>Fun
>Allowed

>>46188792
They are perfectly fine tabletop standard. Nothing to win contests with, but nothing to be ashamed of either.

>since they are old pieces that suck compared to the new grenadiers

So true. The worst thing about them is the poses of the arms. The bodies aren't that bad actually. I combined some of them with new arms from the blitzkrieg and grenadier sprues and it looks pretty good.

Is bolt action getting big in the US?

Im from Oceania and Ive never heard of it before this thread

>>46188889
Its the 2nd biggest WW2 game after FoW i assume, just like everywhere else.

>>46188854
I lose all will to paint when I get to bad models.
I don't even know why I bought the old starter set- probably it was the only one at the time and they still hadn't released other plastic kits (except for the pioneers I think)

I still have 15 men in sprue, might follow your example and use them with the grenadier sprues, thanks bruh

>>46188798
no bipod sadly. did they get that later on?

also, is there a damn way to make lmg useful in bolt action? it just feels like a waste of points but muh historical accuracy makes me take them all the time

>>46188934
Whats the unit size like? I couldnt get into FoW because of how tank-centric it is and im much more an infantry-man

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Rather early WIP of some metal germans from warlord. (Hitler is black tree). Still a lot of work to do.

God i hate some of their heads/faces.

Sorry for the flash, its to dark to make a proper pic without it.

>>46188977
in 1000 points a balanced army usually has around 40-50 infantrymen, depends on the nation

just saying, I am gonna play a small match which is at 500 points and I am going to use 30 infantrymen

>>46189042
is that hitler?

>>46188977

Familiar with 40k? About that size. Your average army has 2-3 10 man squads of infantry, 1 tank, 1 support vehicle (like a scout car or a half track) 1-2 support weapons (mortar, machine gun, field guns etc).

>>46189091
>>46189061
sounds pretty nice, I should look and see if anyone actually plays it here

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>>46188949
Had 2 of them sitting on my desk.

>is there a damn way to make lmg useful in bolt action

Not really, if you want to min-max. Hope for the 2nd edition that might bring a buff or use house rules.

>>46189061
Its Hitler. Not that great, miniature-wise actually. I picked him up during a sale when i ordered some soviets from black tree design.

I'll order the footsore hitler some day to compare the two.

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Everyone knows this is the best Hitler.

>>46187999
And technically feasible, if you consider that the conquest of Mexico happened smack dab in the middle of the Sengoku Jidai. Swap the conquistadors out for samurai, bam, instant wargame.

>>46189574
No way Japanese ships of the period could've crossed the Pacific, but that's hand-waveable I guess.

>>46189526
While the dog and his pose are hilarious, his face looks terrible and without the iconic beard it wouldn't look like hitler at all.

>>46189606
While true, I was more pointing out that they're technically from the same general time period so it's not completely out of the question.

Besides, samurai eventually did make it to Mexico. Borrowed ship designs from the Portugese/Dutch, built a ship, and sent a delegation over.

>>46175681
michael fassbender shooting artillery at 0:05

>>46189646
There's scenarios that seem feasible enough. Maybe instead of being isolationist Japan goes full Imperialism early, necessitating better shipbuilding to maintain a Thalassocracy.

>>46189646
Not only to Mexico.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasekura_Tsunenaga

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>>46189526

>>46189623
>without the iconic beard
>iconic beard
>beard
get some more sleep mate, you need it

>>46189799
To be fair, in German moustache is Schnurrbart, coming from the Low German for 'Snout Beard'

It's also an example of one of those words that's way more fun in German than English.

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>>46189623
>his face looks terrible
That's because he's an old Italian dude pretending to be an even older German dude

>>46190012
I don't understand why people watch other shows when the best one has already been made.

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>>46190093
Hast du feuer, mein liebe?

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>>46188696
/hwg/ sucks today

>>46190208
>>46176935
>shit scale
>shit paintjob
>shit basing
>shit photo
>star wars shit
>squads too small

get fuuuuucked

>>46190294
Some real nice constructive feedback y'all got there.

Heh, guess we lost title for 'best/friendliest place on 4chan'.

>>46188559
So what?
>>46188549
I don't say it's bad. Just it's not what i suppose to see in wargame thread. I mean it's not so hard to find some guy who liked build tanks and shit, but a way harder find the guy who played table wargames.

>>46176935
I'm curious anon: how will you be handling the map? Will you be using a standard Squad Leader board, or are you building something? I've seen "3D" style SL maps before, they were very cool but seemed like a lot of work.

>>46193244
I'm making my own board with 2inch wide hexes. which means the bases for each squad are about the same size of each hexside.

Will be using just corflute for the base of each board since its durable and cheap enough to make multiple then just using woodland scenics stuff to handle the terrain. To be honest the buildings are the most difficult part, im using 2mm scale from brigade miniatures, but they're quite pricey for the amount you need so I also have some blank monopoly style ones to fill the gaps.

>>46193281
How will you keep track of the info that's usually on the chits?

>>46194761
Notebooks and little chits with letters or numbers to signify which type of unit it is. Since its usually X amount of this type of squad and X ammount of that

>>46189526
I have not seen this episode of inspector rex

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>>46195179
You could have some fun modelling little smokescreens and explosions too I imagine, to substitute for smoke and artillery chits. How will you handle support weapons, considering they're independent of squads and/or have their own crews? Sorry for the questions, I just find this concept intriguing. It seems like a lot of work but I'm guessing it's a labour of love. I've seen hex games use minis before, but not quite to this extent.

>>46188934
FoW is king here. Literally no one I know plays bolt action, and we have annual FoW tournaments, and many many oldfag players.

Mostly because the people who want to game ww2 here want to do it properly, with real tank units, real combined arms and more realistic distances.

>>46196060
Its okay, Im kinda just making it work since I have only limited experience with the actual boards/counters and its cheaper to do it this way than actually buy them.

I am planning on using craters/smoke as physically modelled counters, using foam/cotton etc. SW have their own counters just like leaders (even have seperate ones for limbered and unlimbered AT guns). Snipers also have little counters.

However I found Flamethrowers and DC too hard to have a physical guy so for those im just going to use standard chits until I can work out a better method.

I presume your pic is of the official DASL stuff, which looks pretty cool and I considered going that route but I liked the idea of having a smaller scale and a more realistic look even if the building/men scales are off as are the numbers in squads but I hopeful it will turn out well once I actually start work on the board itself.

>>46196076
Tank battles are boring imo, which sucks because I really want to play a WW2 game

>>46196076
>FoW is king here.
>Mostly because the people who want to game ww2 here want to do it properly, with real tank units, real combined arms and more realistic distances.

You need to introduce people to CoC. Big CoC, even. Or IABSM.

>>46196135
>I presume your pic is of the official DASL stuff, which looks pretty cool and I considered going that route but I liked the idea of having a smaller scale and a more realistic look even if the building/men scales are off as are the numbers in squads but I hopeful it will turn out well once I actually start work on the board itself.

I just found it on a random search, turns out it's a composite of Tide of Iron Boards and terrain, Flames of War miniatures and Combat Commander rules. Crazy stuff.

>>46196172
Either way it looks really nice. DESU i just like having a project to work a little bit on every day

>>46196152
>Tank battles are boring
>I really want to play a WW2 game
You can write any kind of list you like in FoW. if you want all infantry in half tracks, you can.
WW2 is about combined arms. tanks, artillery, aircraft, infantry, light vehicles, all working together. If you're playing a land based ww2 game that doesn't include all these elements at once, its not really WW2, just a tiny slice of it.

>>46196155
I dont actually play it, just noting the local scene. Pretty much no one knows about bolt action here. Personally I prefer to play WW2 games that include a campaign map and strategy, as well as the table top battles. The strategy really gives each battle a purpose for being fought, and more accurate objectives.

>>46196223
Everyone here just has 20ish tanks and I just dont like it, even if it how it was that kind of battlefield doesnt interest me. Infantry lines and city fights do. hedgerows, fields etc

>>46187568
You sound like an enormous faggot

>>46189623
Technically that's not real life Hitler. That's Danger 5 60s and 80s supervillain Hitler.

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>>46196614
Anyone ITT who has not seen Danger 5 needs to correct that as soon as possible

The way I approach the game versus historical accuracy side of things is that I'll happily play my Belgians against your Japs if that means we get a game but I'd prefer to do something a bit closer to something that could have happened. Same thing for painting/historical accuracy when it comes to modelling. I'm not a rivet counter and unless you're outright stating that a certain unit is a certain unit with the wrong facing but while I'll happily play with them, I'm going to think a little less of you if you turn up with redcoated British artillery for Napoleonics.

Also, a lot of the time the little comments are just that; comments. People who are into historical wargaming tend to be interested in the subject and want to share their knowledge. If you have the wrong facing for say the Old Guard, then no one's going to NOT play against you, but they might say "You know, that's not quite the right facings?" Because then you get an opportunity to talk about regimental facings and that's fun!

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>>46196657
Yep.

>>46187966
Basically that's how I feel when it comes to historical accuracy.

Except if it's a Girls und Panzer wargame

>>46188060
>WW2 soviets vs WW2 americans in an "what-if" scenario are still "historical" enough for me to enjoy it
+1, historical fiction, if done right, is absolutely fine, thus Cold War Gone Hot is as far away from 40k as possible.

>>46188696
So I can only reply to this thread if I play historical games every month, week or day? What are the strict rules senpai?

>>46188686
I'd fix the faces a bit. Also, watch this video as it seems you used the wash as a last step

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imIhiJWhIi4

>>46189042
Yeah, some of those faces are hideous. They are a bit too over the top for me, thankfully newer figs are a bit better. Shit, I remember old metal Japs with crooked teeth.

>>46188949
>also, is there a damn way to make lmg useful in bolt action?
I felt it wasn't bad on its own, but if you want to buff MGs in general, either make all of them +1 shot, or 5 points.

>>46192335
Please stand by for the trolls to leave and the return of good mood and comfiness.

>>46196713
>Please stand by for the trolls to leave and the return of good mood and comfiness.

Nothing wrong with a healthy discussion.

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Ospreys being released this week:

The Dnepr 1943 (CAM 291)
The Barrett Rifle (OW 045)
US Marine in World War I (WAR 178)
British Redcoat vs French Fusilier
North America 1755–63 (COM 016)
The Imperial Japanese Navy of the Russo-Japanese War (NVG 232)

Also some nice art released from a title coming in June: Israeli Soldier vs Syrian Soldier Golan Heights 1967-73 (COM 18)

>>46197479
Telling someone to stop playing historicals because they prefer playing the game than painting is not healthy FAGGOT KEK NIGGER LICKER GO SUCKA FUCKING SHIT FILLED MOTHER

>>46197536
>nice art

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>>46178863
“Ultima ratio regum” English: “The final argument of kings” – Louis XIV’s inscription on French artillery
“Do not forget your dogs of war, your big guns, which are the most-to-be respected arguments of the rights of kings.” – Frederick II of Prussia
“The artillery lends honor to that which would otherwise be a vulgar brawl.” – Frederick II of Prussia
“God is on the side with the best artillery.” – Napoléon Bonaparte
“The first shot is for the Devil, the second for God, and only the third for the King.” – Napoléon Bonaparte
“The best generals are those who have served in the artillery.” – Napoléon Bonaparte
“I do not have to tell you who won the war. You know, the artillery did.” – General George S. Patton, Jr.
“Brother, your best friend ain’t your Momma, it’s the Field Artillery.” – A sign at Fort Benning, US Infantry School
“The Guns, thank God, the Guns.” – Rudyard Kipling
“Renown awaits the commander who first restores artillery to its prime importance on the battlefield.” – Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill

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This might be interesting to some of our bolt action players. a nice spread of different squad types and their armaments. Cover US, German, British, Soviet and Japanese forces

>>46197536
what war is this from

>>46198456
Israeli Soldier vs Syrian Soldier Golan Heights 1967-73 (COM 18)

>>46181490
baz luhrmann's R&J

>taht '90s california opening shootout

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>>46189042
>>46196713
yep. I ordered the D-Day starter set and I'm hoping to get a game with my brother but he hates the look of their faces cause they look so over the top and comical. Like Spitting Image characters

>>46197545
Most of the people have been reasonable though.

>>46199709
Only some of their metal heads are problematic in my eyes. The plastics are just fine with very few exceptions. the cigar smoking american for example.

>>46199870
I'll have to look that one up but it does sound very cliche. Cigar smoking chubster nicknamed Bull, stubbly faced and carrying the BAR

How are the Hail Caesar Vorenus and Pullo models quality wise?

>>46197545
I think most of the comments were the other way round, in the "stop posting in this thread if you don't currently PLAY historical wargames you TWAT" vein of speech.

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>>46199966
All cliches have some sort of basis. Consider Sergeant "Bull" Randleman of Band of Brothers fame. In A Bridge Too Far, Elliot Gould plays a character based on the 506th PIR's colonel Robert Sink, and has a stogie fixed in his mouth the whole time.

>>46200044
Yeah, basically this.

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>>46200059
Nothing wrong with having a cliche character like that in your army. Its a bit problematic if you have one in every squad.

But luckily the marines sprues are newer and just better.

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>>46200209
No offense, but these look really shit.

And agreed on the marines, tho that sprue has a cigar chewing head too. I use them for conversion fodder for post-apoc gaming tho.

>>46200283
They aren't mine, i just googled for a pic with the head in question. And yes, they are not that great.

Your marine cigar looks more like a cigarette though.

>>46200314
Truescale cigar I guess.

Overall I'm pretty pleased with the marine box tho. All the little accessories mean your troops can be customised to the maximum. Such a shame the earlier sprues had the bases on them.

>>46200283
I've wanted to do that, use warlord plastics for post-apoc...I like the idea of maybe a crazy veteran leading a bunch of reenactors that have looted some old military antique store.

Nice mini btw.

>>46200981
Thanks. I guess surplus weapons dumped in a small back-of-beyond army depot that became hard to reach after the bombs fell is a pretty good explanation for making an entire gang of goons armed with WW2 weapons. And if you paint the marine uniforms with carying colours, you only need some extra bits or more modern weapons (the Warlord specops box will come in handy), and you have a really kickass gang of mercenaries, caraveneers, scavengers or anything really.

>>46201079
>I guess surplus weapons dumped in a small back-of-beyond army depot that became hard to reach after the bombs fell is a pretty good explanation for making an entire gang of goons armed with WW2 weapons.

I was thinking more Herman Hermann from the Simpsons but that works too, i'd agree that if you look hard enough you'll probably find some ww1 weapon stockpiles that never got thrown out, i'd like to imagine as well in Europe and Eastern Europe that plenty of older people still have old ww2 weapons stockpiled in case.

>>46200283
>>46201079
w0t post apoc game?

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>>46201079
>>46201218
Make it set in the 50s-60s and you can pretty easily explain WW2 equipment by looting national guard armories

>>46201218
With post-apocalypse you really have a lot to play with.

>>46201220
This Is Not A Test. If you tell me how to remove watermark (bottom of the page), I'll share it, but I'd recommend getting it as it's a really neat game.

>>46201327
The plan is a Fallout-esque apocalypse in Texas or Nevada. Since the fallout games are full of WW2 weapons anyways, it wouldn't look out of place.

>>46201327
Depending on the country you might not even have to, while America and many western countries are cutting edge, plenty are still or have only just stopped using ww2-issue gear and weapons.

In some places it'll probably be more likely that any weapons used by locals are hand me downs and surplus over new stuff.

>>46201327
Europe too like Checkpoint Charlie and you could make it necromunda-esque regarding terrain cause of all the high rise commie blocs mixed with high rise western apartments

>>46201365
Removing watermarks is a pain unless you have access to adobe illustrator and lots of patience and time. If you do have the aforementioned prerequisites, you can open each watermarked page in Illustrator, and it will treat the watermarks as pieces of vector art that you can select and delete. Then you have to save each edited page, and each page without watermarks also, and combine them all back into a pdf. I've got several out of print things like that I need to work on so that I can share them later. Not historical stuff though.

>>46201514
Out of those three I have sadly only patience.

Sorry folks.

>>46196223
Some people like small actions.

>>46203346
Boy, we're slow today.

>>46204884
I'm still waiting on my Rapier Miniatures, otherwise I'd post some pictures of Seleucids.

So whats the biggest battle (maybe in 6mm) you guys have participated in? and was it fun or just painstakingly slow?

>>46205073
Biggest was a 28mm ACW game on a 6'x21' board with 7 people. Took about 6 hours. Was fun.

>>46205345
What battle?

>>46205345
pics?

>>46205440
Nothing in particular.

>>46205475
Since they all have me or friends in, no.

>>46205584
>Since they all have me or friends in, no.
not willing to crop to post?

>>46205757
Or he could just block out the faces in paint or something.

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>>46205835
>>46205757
Do you even OPSEC nigga?

>>46206970
I don't know what this means.

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So can I get some opinions on this Bolt Action list?
The local players where I am usually play 1250 point late war games. Just getting started in it myself and want to have a list that I like and will be playable so I know what to invest in.

>>46207208
I forgot to add into this that they also use the Bolt Action Alliance rules, so the mgs should be 5 points each not 20 if I am understanding the rules correctly. Not sure if that changes anything else I should be doing with the setup.

>>46207208
>>46207290
make the mortar team inexperienced
I'd put more guys into the veteran squads (maybe 7 each)

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>>46207115
operational security. in short; don't reveal shit about who you or anyone else is or what you're doing. Things like don't be posting pics to facebook of you on a base because the other side might find them and use that intel for targeting, or analyse what equipment is at that base.

>>46210322
What mean plasticine on the hull?

>>46210353
Probably a shitty attempt at modelling a tarp.

>>46201565
From memory there was a non watermarked copy of tinat shared in a PDF thread a while back. I'll check if I have it when I get home, am out right now, and will see about uploading it.

>>46208588
I did that size of squads because they fit in that transport, if I size them up I need to pay for larger ones.

>>46213097
>>46201565
>>46201365
>>46201514

Here we go.
https://mega.nz/#!rAJAgAqL!T2RXHp70gsT7J91zV9X1imWcwmE6JyAuqX72hNKDOd0

Any rulesets for Boshin War games? Or should I just try to modify napoleonic rules?

>>46205073
~6 month WW2 campaign with something like 30 tabletop battles. It was based on a campaign map so each battle had a reason to be fought. Some of the best and most challenging wargaming of my life. We had 4 players: Soviet, Wehrmacht, US and British.

>>46216695
I love those kinds of campaigns. Which side did the best, you think?

>>46216695
Sounds comfy as fuck

>>46214482
Neat, thanks.

>>46216720
We played 2 full campaigns, and 1 micro campaign, over a period of years. One had Soviets thrash everyone, another had unstoppable US. It could have gone either way in all games. We allowed full diplomacy, secret pacts, misinformation etc.

Once one player expands enough and controls most of the production centers, they can start to produce massive amount of troops, but usually people will ally against a threat and try to survive as much as possible. Players who get rekt early on usually get ignored and allowed to have a small territory. They will slowly build up then try to kick out an underdog in the late game.
Definitely a lot of fun, not often you play a tabletop battle where you're heavily outnumbered, and the only objective is to cause as many casualties as possible, but accepting that your force will be wiped out. We ended up building a lot of bunker and artillery based "wear down the enemy" type armies with shit tons of mines and trenches when we were on the defensive.

We'd meet once a week and do a couple of campaign map moves, and a couple of battles. Great fun, kind of like a combination of Risk and [your WW2 tabletop of choice]

>>46219228
the dream, you're lucky anon im stuck with solitaire games

>>46219228
>tfw no long term campaigns
>tfw no short term campaigns
you are a lucky man

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BEHOLD! Tiny Persians!

Also continuing evidence of my inability to take decent photos

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>>46221292

>>46221305
Still got a third rank to do at some point.

And then an entire second unit.

And then the rest of the army.

Oh god I will never finish this.

>>46221292

My favorite kind of Persian!

You know the rule about painting your minis, right?

>>46221292
What scale is that? 15mm?

I like them, but why did you paint the wooden part of the spears in yellow?

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>>46221326
My paints were pretty thin, the photos make it look worse than it really does.

Besides I was aiming for tabletop standard so I'm not hugely fussed.

>>46221350
Yup they're 15mm, I based the colours off of this reference picture from an Osprey which shows them with yellow spears.

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>>46221393

No, the more important rule: if you finish painting everything you own, you die.

One of the veteran guys in our local group got close one day. Had everything but 3 British infantry left to finish - a command section for some Weird War I game I think. He primed them that night and left them to dry. In the morning he had a minor heart attack. As soon as he got out of the hospital he ordered a box of pikemen. He leaves them assembled but forever paint-less on his work desk. They stand as a constant reminder that there are some goals too lofty for mere mortals.

>>46221429
Ah, forgot about that one. Don't worry, after this project I've still got plenty of stuff to get on with.

At this rate I'll live till at least 100.

>>46221511
Haha, only 100?

See me at infinite.

>>46223384
I've been wondering if the heat death of the universe will affect primer.

>>46223489
The complete absence of kinetic energy will mean that pressure doesn't exist anymore and so your can probably won't work even if you shake it REALLY hard.

>>46223585
So I should switch to brush on primer then. Any recommendations?

>>46223622
I think Army Painters stuff has the least entropy so that'll probably last longest.

>>46223622
The primers from Mig are fucking excellent. Can withstand the death of the known universe.

>>46221292
>Tiny Persians!
They are nice, but 15mm is not a tiny scale. Unless you just mean in scale with real people, then they are hella tiny.

Good job though, they look nicely colourful.

>>46223679
> Unless you just mean in scale with real people, then they are hella tiny.

That's more or less what I meant, yeah.

I do like working with Ancients because things tend to get colourful. Also you get a bit of artistic license because nobody's really *certain* exactly what soldiers wore back then.

>>46223719
>*certain* exactly what soldiers wore back then.
I'm certain you can't go wrong with undyed linen for pretty much any army with access to it. Legionaries in undyed linen, Persians in undyed linens, Greeks in undyed linens.

>>46223816
I WILL NOT DYE, NOT BY ANY MORTAL'S OR GOD'S WILL

>>46223882
I'll be honest I don't really get this at all, is it a reference?

>>46224020
It was just a shitty pun with die-dye.

:(

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>>46224109
oh ok, I got the pun, I just thought I was missing something bigger.

>>46174151

Hey OP....May want to toss this link in with the Avalon Hill games link

Every single General magazine available for download in PDF format.....

http://www.vftt.co.uk/ah_mags.asp?ProdID=PDF_Gen

your welcome

during normandy scenarios would t ve normal for german infantry to be supported by waffen ss?
have to do a 500 points bolt action list, wanted to put 20 regular grenadiers and 5 waffen

>>46224455
its not unthinkable and certainly happened. All german forces can be mixed without a problem.

sorta

units would fight side by side or near each other..but the chances of inter unit mingling at Bolt Actions level...not likely....

There was a lot of SS units present at Normandy
9th and 10th SS Panzer Divisions fought side by side with each other

1st SS Panzer made it to the area in July.

12 SS Panzer and 25th SS PzGren fought side by side and were supposed to be supported by the 21st Panzer Division

Evening /hwg/! I don't know if you guys have heard, but gf9 will release a 15mm tank skirmish game next month. It's bascially a simplified (!) x-wing/WoG ruleset.
I played my first game today, with what is available from the rule-pdf. 3 Stug vs a75mm and a 76mm sherman, no upgrades and objectives.
Pros:
+very fast and easy, you only have movement, shooting and special ability/cleanup phase
+I love tanks and it has all iconic ones from ww2
cons:
-it's REALLY simple, so even without any historical tank wargame experience, you know that it isn't much of a tank battle. it feels a bit like a battleship wargame, with the ability to move in any 2d direction (if that makes any sense).
-also it's so watered down, that at certain points it isn't even intuitive anymore.
-they go the same way that x-wing went, with it's upgrade cards. So you need to buy certain tanks to get the upgrades they come with, if you want to use these on other tanks.

So has anyone here played it or at least heard of it? Any opinions? Excuse me if it's a flames of war general topic, because I don't post/lurk there.

>>46225459
>not likely....

Ever heard the term "Kampfgruppe"?

>>46225482
Name of the game?

Is it that zvezda game with the cards?

>>46225514
It's literally called 'Tanks!' I believe.

>>46225514
It's called TANKS by gale force 9 and I think the models are from battlefront.

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>>46225586
>>46225482
Without the "!"

http://tanks.gf9games.com

>>46225482
it's from the makers of FoW, using FoW models and has been discussed in FoWG

>>46225675
Game looks interesting, but the single tanks are certainly overpriced. $9 for 1 15mm tank is just crazy.

Zvezda 15mm tonks cost like $4.

>>46225488
sure I have...probably more familiar with the term than you are. you do know that almost all Kampfgruppe were organized of wermacht or SS units not both. Was VERY rare of any types of intermingeling...not much intermixing happened until Operation Market Garden. even then there wasnt much inter unit intermingling at the squad level.

tell me again what kampfgruppes were at normandy?

there was 1

Kampfgruppe Luck which was made up exclusively of Wermacht units. Elements of PzGrenRgt 192 without one battalion, plus the Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung of the 21st PzDiv. plus some Flak- guns

as he was asking about Normandy at the squad level....I limited the answer to his original question

>>46225760
>there was 1

Wittmann's forces at Villers-Bocage were a Kampfgruppe too. Consisted of W-SS and Panzer Lehr Units.

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>>46225760
>>46225459
>SS never fought with Wehrmacht in the battle for Normandy
Categorically stating this betrays a serious ignorance of the confused and desperate fighting that took place at Normandy, particularly near the end of Operation Cobra when units were hopelessly mixed up in the chaos of the Allied advance. Yes there was a divide between SS and Wehrmacht troops, but saying that intermixing didn't occur at the level portrayed in Bolt Action is ridiculous given the nature of the fighting.
>There was only ever one kampfgruppe at Normandy
You're just wrong, Kampfgruppe von Hauser is a good example of another Kampfgruppe that was present at Normandy. Also considering a Kampfgruppe is an ad-hoc unit with the minimum size of about a company, saying that there was only ever one Kampfgruppe shows a lack of understanding about what a Kampfgruppe is.

>>46225760
Just googled for "Kampfgruppe Normandie":

>Kampfgruppe Böhm
>Kampfgruppe Kentner
>Kampfgruppe Rambach
>Schnelle Brigade 30
>Kampfgruppe Wisliceny
>Kampfgruppe Kleffner
>Kampfgruppe 343

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>>46226194
>>46226113
>>46225954
Its always nice to see a community come together and blow someone the fuck out

>>46226246
Totally unreleated to normandy, but sometimes units wouldn't fight together.

A while ago i read a biography of a guy who fought as a Hitleryouth (not the ss division) in Berlin and attemted to break out the soviet encirclement. He was with 2 other boys and a few wehrmacht soldiers and some nurses.
On their way through subway tunnels they met a group of well equipped ss men who refused to let them join because they were afraid the not as good equipped and experienced group would hinder and slow them. They gave them an MG-42 and wished them good luck though.

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For use in Pike and Shotte and/or Kings of War.

Though, really, never, since there's no way I'll ever be able to complete an army at this rate. With my fantasy minis, a few layers of wash and they're good to go, these guys they don't look good unless I spend time on the details, and as you can see, I'm hardly at a professional level here.

>>46226371
To be fair, that's actually a reasonable decision, knowing that everything was fucked anyway. Another probably even worse example for stuff like that is obviously staling grad. And even before that, units not trusting each other was an issue all throughout the war.

>>46225757
To be fair, these ones seem to be the proper Battlefront ones, so the price seems decent when you add the packaging and cards.
Those minis are of a seriously better quality than the Zvezda ones.

>>46227482
To be frank the Zvezda ones are expensive too. Comparing to PSC would be a better comparison as they blow BF out of the water.

>>46227589
Not by that much, to be honest.

Their 5-tank kits are a bit cheaper, but don't include decals and have slightly shallower/more fiddly (technically truer-scale) details.
Their infantry sets are cheaper, but don't include bases. After adding those, you've spent about the same.

>>46227694
not to mention the old multi part tracks, thank goodness they have the new single part ones included in the kit as well

>>46227793
For Panzer IV and T-34 kits, yeah.

Sadly, the Panther and Tiger kits still have multi-part ones.

>ASL anon gets rekt, proving he's arrogant and not as much of a history buff as he claims
>goes silent

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD

>>46228516

>>46192335

I go away for a couple of weeks and come back to... the fuck happened to this place?

>>46228605
Fuck knows, just wait it out I guess.

>>46228605
It started with the paint argument a few threads back

>>46228605
easter holiday?

where can I get cheap 1/56 ww2 tanks?

>>46228880
depends on what tanks you want.

Italeri (the same tanks warlord games sells) tanks go for around 15€ compared to 20 if you buy them from warlord.

>>46228880
Practically nowhere. Maybe Italeri.

>>46228880
Actually, 28mm (1/56) tanks are fairly cheap. They all are around 20-25€. Italeri boxed Bolt Action tanks like anon said above are cheaper while the italeri boxed infantry is more expensive than the same sprues bought from warlord. strange.

You can go for 1/48 tanks which are slightly bigger. Tamiya 1/48 kits are excellent and they are around 15-25€ too. Italeri has some 1/48 kits too. Mostly trucks but also a Puma and some italien armored cars. These are priced around 10-15€. Some 1/48 kits from eastern companies are even cheaper.

>>46228880
Try playing a real scale

>>46229659
1/56 is an actual scale though, unlike what most miniatures are rated as.

>>46228605
Pagan holiday coming up, everyone gets on edge. Gotta see the inlaws and sacrifice virgins.

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Hey /heg/, I have absolutely no faith in /his/ so lets see if you can helps me out.

Im looking for documentation on the specific coat of arms carried by Vladimir Tepes III, aka Vlad the Impaler, Vlad Dracula etc, during his reign from 1456 to 1462.

I have three possible arms (pic related), but would love some hard documentation.

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>>46230750
>Hey /heg/

I meant /hwg/. Fuck. Guess I'll go impale myself....

>>46230750
The topmost one is the arms of Transylvania whereas Vlad was the prince of Wallachia. Wallachia was unified with Transylvania and Moldavia but not until 1600. This makes the first coat of arms unlikely.

I have no hard documentation for this, but since the other two are the arms of his family (Drăculești) and his fief (Wallachia) then it's probable he carried both either as separate banners or impaled (no pun intended) on a single banner.

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>>46231357
>t's probable he carried both either as separate banners or impaled (no pun intended) on a single banner.

I lol'd.

But as it stands, I could feasibly use the Fief and family arms individually for mustered troops and household troops respectively?

>>46231854
I mean I guess, I'm not sure banners of arms were even particularly common in Eastern Europe around this period, they certainly were in the West but I don't know how long it took the fashion to spread.

I don't think anybody except the grognardiest of grognards (possibly less so, if they're actually Romanian) would call you out on it.

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>>46231933
Well, here is the stickler.... I know for a hard documentable fact that he bore the arms of the Ordo Dracul personally, but I am looking for hard documentation for a historic recreation display with some friends, so accuracy counts.

And I can find next to nothing, between books and internet on the armature of his forces. Everyone wants to go straight into "impaling this" and "dracula that".

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>>46232038
Maybe the order arms were used as an augment to his existing arms? Kind of like the KG ornament on pic related or the George Cross on the flag of Malta.

I'm really just applying general heraldry knowledge here, I know very little in terms of specifics sadly.

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>>46232198
Again, lacking anything in writing with exact info, with everything being overshadowed by the mythology.

Its such a cool chunk of history, its shameful how little info there is.

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>>46232271
A little more digging turned up that the order of the dragon's emblem was sometimes used to encircle coats of arms much like the garter

>>46232282
Yes, but Lazarevic is Serbian, and it still doesn't help me with what regular troops would bear on a shield or banner :(

>>46232327
I guess ordinary troops wouldn't carry the order emblem because they themselves are not part of the order?

Perhaps it would only be shown of Vlad's personal standard if at all.

>>46227868
I actually like the fiddly track assemblies. Good for making tracked wrecks for scenery. Otherwise, yeah, I agree as a gaming figure.

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>>46232384
Yes, that goes without saying. I still need to figure out which of these two for his troops.

>>46232446
I suspect the answer is probably either or both. Large units often carried more than one banner anyway and any aide de camp worth his salt would know by heart every friendly banner on a battlefield.

>>46232446
I'd be surprised if it wasn't both and probably more.

>>46232570
>>46232730
Again, need some sort of documentation :(

>>46232777
Could there be any relevant Ospreys? Something on the armies of the Voivodeships might have relevant colour plates.

>>46232805
I had been thinking about this, the only appropriate title is MAA 195: Hungary and the fall of Eastern Europe 1000–1568, which is unfortunately very general and doesn't go into Wallachia in great detail. But here it is anyway.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/h6cb4bqlewvb78i/Osprey+-+MAA+195+-+Hungary+and+the+Fall+of+Eastern+Europe+1000-1568.pdf

>>46232777
>Again, need some sort of documentation :(
why?
Also, how much documentation do you expect to find about the banners carried into battle by 15th century Wallachians?

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>>46232882
Thanks. I try not to put much stock in Osprey, but it is a source they accept.

>>46232888
See >>46232038.

>>46233215
Is it a living history display?

>>46233215
ospreyis better than you you faggot ass attention whore

>>46233354
Who pissed in your pint? Gropey is cool.

>>46233579
nah

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>>46233343
Yep

>>46233354
You're derailing the thread faggot.

>>46233579
D'aww thanks.

>>46233783
says mister
>WAAAH PLEASE FIND ME SOURCES BECAUSE IM TOO INCOMPETENT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A WARGAMES THREAD NOT A /HIS/ THREAD OR A /R/ THREAD WAAAH

>>46233872
>Passing up an opportunity to talk about historical shit

Come on man, hwg is better than this

>>46233917
It wasnt a discussion is was a faggot begging us to do his dirty work for him especially when it doesnt belong here and isnt related to any games.

>>46233917
welcome to neo-/hwg/ this all began with the anti-nukes guy

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>>46233872
>>46233938
You can go now

>>46233872
>talking about history on /tg/ is fine
>/his/ is trash
>posting related images
>not being a faggot like you

I'll take clownbro any day. You make him seem even cooler compared to your rustled jimmies.

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>>46233938
It was historical and its not like these threads are so busy as to mean we can't go off on a tangent every once in a while.

You're getting disproportionately angry about this, lets just drop this and get back to talking about small soldiers fighting their tiny battles.

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>>46233938
Calm your autism

>>46234012
just admit you were too lazy to look for shit yourself

>>46233938
>begging
>sourcing a lot of info on various coats of arms himself
>asking the hive mind for help
>giving us something interesting to research

I am legit going to build a Wallachian army now.

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>>46234053
You're adorable. You're still not contributing

>>46234024
This. Better than "bmp" every few hours.

>>46234098
Well where is your wallachian wargame army? Nowhere? because you dont have one and you're entirely offtopic in a wargame thread?

I thought so

>>46234053
>>46233938

Let me guess, you were the guy who was angry about the gray painted hetzer the other day, right?

>>46234053
Joke is on you, because im enjoying this thread.

>>46234136
No I was angry at that guy because rivet counters are just as bad as off topic faggots

>>46234169
Anon, why don't you go away for a while, and let the rest of the guys here enjoy their discussion?

>>46234192
maybe they should go to /his/ where it belongs if there is no wargames involved

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>>46234135
Now who's begging for spoon feeding.

1000 years on google.

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>>46234135
Just ordered these because of this thread actually.

>>46234278
Looks nice, where from?

>>46234265
Still your original discussion was offtopic as fuck you tripfaggot

>>46234278
Who's the company?

>>46234302
>HISTORY is offtopic in HISTORIC wargames
>over a dozen posts pissing and moaning about the evil clown is not offtopic

Yeah, nah. You're a cunt.