MtG Spoilers

>>46166515
>which mythic is most likely to be chase

Dead. It's a 2 drop and if you playing whatever Zombie deck wizards has in mind you will need 4 period

>Which one am I gonna chase?

Jace because I'm gay for blue and control

>>46166515
Arlynn, Avacyn, or Olivia. Olivia the most out of them, though.

>>46166515
Kord or Dead maybe?
>Olivia
kek

>>46166515
Arlinn, because she's a planeswalker, female, and a furry.

Seriously though, being a PW always makes something cost $10 more by default.

On the long term, say, 2 years from now, probably Relentless Dead. It's just efficient and zombie decks will always be popular.

>>46166515
>Don't have to chase Mindwrack because I have the better looking duel deck version
feels good.

>>46166575
dead for sure
also jace and avacyn and anything 3 mana or less

>>46166515
Startled awake is gonna be the bane of my fucking existence.

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Here's all the sets of Cryptoliths.

>>46166667

Off by 1

Anyway, got a thread up here

>>46166676

Relentless Dead hands down.
If you don't immediately exile it it just keeps coming back.
Combined with the Zombie Giant and you're just asking for pain.

>>46166660
There is absolutely nothing scary about startled awake.

It won't see constructed play.

>>46166898
He's talking draft.

>>46166515
Relentless dead is gonna be my chase mythic. gonna load him into a mono black devotion list with gary and see how many times I can drain for my current devotion.

>>46167046
sounds pretty goddamn casual

>>46167160
you're goddamn right. its also gonna be pretty goddamn fun.

>>46166660
>>46166998
>A mythic rare is going to be the bane of anon's existence
>In draft
You'll see it once, twice if you're lucky.

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Face side

>>46167250
what a bitch

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>>46167278
Obverse side

>>46167250
Is that a playable Enchantment I see?
For limited, but still.

>>46167312
6 fucking mana?

>>46167250
>"Sorin, I'm going to take everything from you."

Sorin dies confirmed?
Sorin dies confirmed.

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>>46167250

never fuck crazy pussy.

>>46167250
>better Dolmen Gate at uncommon
jesus

>>46167278
>>46167312
In what world could this card ever be playable in any format?

>>46167250
So, why is Nahiri mad at Sorin? I thought that they were friends in innnistrad?

>>46167429
She not crazy, just angry

>>46167250
remember when you were so pissed off you went to another dude's house, built a cult based around burning everything he loved down for shits and giggles, then burnt his house down with the cult you made still in it? Ya have to wonder how bad Sorin pissed Nahiri off, because some of this is really focused on rubbing his nose in the ground.

>>46167352
damn solid for limited, especially if you need flyers

>>46167458
>one creature
>better

>>46167472
She may be angry, but "fusing all your relatives into stone while still alive" indicates a significant level of crazy.

>>46167278
>>46167312
>7 mana for a 4/2 flier with no other abilities

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>>46167632
>Uncommon

What is WotC doing.

>>46167511
>forgive me
>I can't read

>>46167767
I'm just glad it wasn't me missing something this time.

>>46167278
A 1 CMC bear with defender isn't terrible on its own, especially in something devoted to artifacts.
So it's shit, but it's usable shit.

>>46167632
>2/2 with defender for 1 with another ability
it really isn't bad.
>>46167726
That's fair though.

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>>46167467
Because Sorin never called back
I love how white and red are the chaotic neutral colors r n
>>46167514
Things Sorin did to Nahiri and Zendikar
>Put Eldrazi on her plane
>Ditched Zendikar twice instead of helping the Gatewatch Rangers
>Didn't call back
>Act smugly
>Probably something so petty it's not even worth mentioning
Things Nahiri did to Sorin and Innistrad
>Forced Sorin to go looking for her
>Destroyed Sorin's house
>Killed his senpaitachi
>Stuck the other senpaitachi into his house
>Warp the plane's mana
>Made Avacyn go crazy
>Made Sorin kill Avacyn
>Get in the way of a millenia-old vampire
>Multiple times
>Started a human rebellion because "lol y not"
>Kickstart a cult into maximum overdrive
>Make Innistrad an even shittier place for people to live in
>Like, shittier than Zendikar, and that's saying something
>Is summoning Emrakul because "lol y not"

obviously Nahiri is in the right

>>46167278
>>46167312
[[Insert maro article on how important it is to have shitty unplayable cards because of limited]]

>>46167726
>>46167632
being a transformer is an upside, due to things like Neglected Heirloom.

It's not a good card, but

flipping is itself an advantage when factoring mana costs and upsides/downsides

>>46167827
Its also an artifact

>>46167829
>>Is summoning Emrakul because "lol y not"
Just your prediction or is this actually established?
Honestly, if she isn't summoning emrakul, putting the eldrazi on her plane is worse than basically everything on that list.
(>Like, shittier than Zendikar, and that's saying something is also potentially worse, but unestablished to me.)

>>46167636
Olivia looks so much better here than in her actual card.

wtf wizzards

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>>46168017
She isn't necessarily summoning Emrakul, but putting the eldrazi on zendikar was part of the plan to deal with them it wasn't something Nahiri had an issue with at least at the time.

>>46168085
>No Avacyn symbol on the blade
Even the ghosts are dumping that crazy bitch

>>46168085
hahaha, yes!

>>46168114
Well, I don't know enough to participate in this discussion, and I don't really care enough to find out more, so have fun raging at wizards.

>>46167473
Well it started with that guy bringing a bunch of house eating monsters to your house and stuffing them in your basement and telling you to keep watch over them for him.

>>46168085
The girl on the picture looks like Felicia Day.

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This bitch is the cult leader?

>>46167312
>>46167278
I could see it if the flipside was 4/4.

>>46168336
WR is really good at cultist shit because reasons

>>46168062
agreed, she looks really elegant there

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I've got the feeling that while she's taking it too far Sorin did something to bring it on himself and he knows it too

>>46168336
How the hell did Nahiri get a bunch to people to follow her when she's a clearly non-human individual on the xenophobic plane?

>>46167466
>>46167632
>>46167837

this is the kind of reasoning that scrubs are made of

It's obviously not constructed playable but it's solid in limited
-colorless flying
-2/2 1 drop that can later beat face or trade
-1 drop artifact & creature for Delirium

would gladly 3rd to 8th pick in the last pack

>>46168501
Because she is:
>Not a vampire
>Not an angel
>Not a werewolf
>Not a demon
>Not immediately trying to kill them

>>46168446
is this art for a card? which card?

>>46168560
Read the filename.

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>>46168560

>>46168501
>clearly non human
I'm pretty sure people who tolerate blacks will tolerate albino. I mean, unless they're blacks themselves, in which case they would try to chop her into voodoo amulets and shit.

so are the angels killing humans because Nahiri killed vampires and they need to make shit balanced?

>>46168585
>>46168597
thanks :)

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>>46168336
>you will never beat the shit out of nahiri
seriously fuck this bitch

>>46168621
have you tried reading the lore that wizards publishes?

>>46168501
she can CONTROL PEOPLES MINDS with Cryptoliths.

>>46168657
gatewatch turned me off the lore, just trying to get a general idea

>>46168684
more or less nahiri did something funky with hedrons and messed with avacyn's mind.

>>46168621
no
Nahiri killed vampires just as a fuck you.

then she REWROTE Avacyn's fucking mind with Cryptoliths, who in turn, corrupted the other angels.

>>46168648

I don't think she'll lose, anon, she seems to be really fucking confident here.

>>46168336
no, she is not.

well I suppose she did create the cult, but she did it entirely to destroy Innistrad.

>>46168446
>people think Sorin can Ace someone who can do this

Sorin has been shown to do nothing but destroy mortal fools and use blood magic.

Nahiri seems capable of destruction and chaos on a mass scale that Sorin has no capabilites in.

>>46168714
I don't seriously think i could beat one of the more powerful planeswalkers, but it would be cathartic if i could

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So Marit Lage confirmed?

>>46168760

Don't worry, Garruk will save us.

>>46166515
I'm gonna go for Nahiri solely for the fact that the last RW planeswalker that came out was Ajani in 2008.

>>46168657
not same anon but, where would you recommend starting?
there are lots of stuff and it's kind of boring overwhelming or confusing
I guess I'm the kind of autist that needs to start stuff from the beginning

>>46168792
I'd like to think so, but there are a lot of things that have tentacles.

>>46168796
>a man who can't even beat Liliana on her worst day


not a chance, Nahiri and Sorin are on another level than "Green-black Vorhee's"

>>46168792
I don't think we'll know until Eldritch Moon. Avacyn is the "big bad" of this set.

>>46168805
If you go to Wizards' Uncharted Realms archive there should be a beginning to start at.
Skip The Truth of Names and The Great Teacher's Student though, they're cancer in literary form.

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>>46168792
Taking an actual look at the token, I kind of think so now

>>46168792
that isn't even that big a Kraken.

>>46168792
>>46168875
Tentacles too smooth, main body not an amalgamation of shit or big enough, so my money's on no.

>>46168855
Nahiri is clearly the big Bad of the whole thing.

she's summoning a "Something" to fuck shit up in the next set.

but its all Nahiri pulling the strings.

>>46168855
i hope that they establish it at least, then hopefully eldrich moon is classical horror coldsnap

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>>46168875
Lage was more than just tentacles though

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>>46168085
needs some sorta feels edit

>>46168940
why the fuck would a character who wasn't even plot significant in the set she was IN (Marit) be the crux of the shit Nahiri is summoning in a Lore-heavy set?

seriously mother fucker, Marit has like, 4 cards that reference her and literally zero stories written about her.

>>46168844
It was implied he could have rekt her if she didnt have the chain veil, and the curse could have made him stronger

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>>46168893
tenticals are pretty clean in dark depths art

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>>46168975
If it's Emrakul I am fucking done with this hobby forever.

>>46168997
but in >>46168949 you can clearly see the suckers and psuedo fingers on them

>>46168997
You can literally see the bony fingers of one of its hands in the lower right.

>>46168982
regardless, not as strong as Sorin or Nahiri, and not NEARLY as fucking Skilled.

Sorin and Nahiri would double team him just to get him the fuck off their lovers spat of a Plane.

>>46168975
but its pretty much a lovecraftian abomination, so it fits the theme of the classical horror plane of innistrad.

and its pretty common in classical horror that people bring gigantic things up by accident that they cant kill

So are the other two angels not getting cards this set?

>>46168949
>>46168875
Marit Lage

A Grim Tale

Hmm...

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>>46169010
There is literally nothing wrong with it being Emrakul

>>46168997
Can you imagine walking over that lake, looking down, and seeing that shit?

>>46169057
Marit is a thinking being, she wouldn't do the bidding of Nahiri, and wouldn't need her help planeswalking.. as Marit IS a planeswalker!

Nahiri is bringing something to Innistrad that either cannot Walk, or doesn't want to/cant think.

>>46166631
>taking apart the duel decks
why.jpg

the art is impressive i agree

>>46167278
so its basically an ugly manor gargoyle

>>46169086
but... c'mon... cults... lovecraftian rip off monster... its gonna be marit.

>>46169067
who hurt you?

>>46169067
>>46169010

Honestly I want it to be Emrakul so we can kill her and get Eldrazi over with forever.

They have no direction, no personality, and shitty flavor other than "huge and hungry." Do you really want another Eldrazi block years down the line throwing a wrench into the game like Oath/BFZ did?

I want Bolas to come back

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>>46169212
Emrakul doesn't need to come back, ever.

you guys underestimate how strong sorin is. sorin's powers are actually unstoppable, but he's shit at being where he needs to be ever. they wrote an entire book in original zendikar book about how he's a murder machine where he planeswalked to zendikar but was on the wrong side of the plane and while literally ALL the important shit was happening he took his merry time slowly traveling across the plane the regular nonmagical way, while effortlessly murdering the fuck out of huge monsters and eldrazi in his way.

you know how he unmakes avacyn? that's not because he made her, or because he put in some kind of magical kill switch to unravel her mana. oh no. he actually is just casting the equivalent of utter end on her. incredibly powerful godlike angel that he made as an oldwalker because he couldn't fix the plane's problems himself? not a problem. even the other angels looked up to avacyn as a god figure. none of that matters, sorin is canonically the protagonist of one of those shitty fanfictions where the author just makes the protag an all powerful mary sue self-insert.

nahiri's about to have a fatal case of being-in-the-way-of-a-millenia-old-vampire.

>>46168209
After you said "ya sure" and helped him and one of your mutual friends do it.

Try again.

they are leaving Emrakul available as a Chekhov's gun.

>>46169234
yes, he's very strong compared to the mortals, we all know this.

but nahiri isn't a simple being to be cut down, she's his Equal.

he knows this, he didn't get armor on for nothing, Anon.

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>>46169234
nooooo

>>46169299
He's always worn the armor you dolt

Is Zendikar the most boring plane? It was basically designed for the Eldrazi, any further "Return to Zendikar" blocks are going to be boring as all fuck.

>>46169299
to be honest I'm not sure why he'd even be upset that she murdered literally everyone at markov manor. i don't entirely understand why sorin even cares about innistrad. he got kicked out of markov manor because all his vampire famalams were mad that he made avacyn, right? he literally made her to save them from their own retardation and now he's not welcome at markov manor and hasn't been for thousand years. why does he still give a shit?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mmx68VmTEo

OFFICIAL SOI SET THEME

>>46169312
no, he put on a full suit of armor, before he wore a chest piece and that was it.

he KNOWS this is the fight of his life, don't undersell Nahiri, she is 10,000 years old and is just as powerful

they both have mastery over unique powers no one else has.

>>46169234
no doubt sorins crazy powerful, but nahiri is not too far behind. She is at a disadvantage, but will at least be a bitch to put down

>>46169355
>Posting Sorin fan art

>>46169326
It was set up as an adventure and quest plane before that. Even in the first block the Eldrazi felt like more of an afterthought.

>>46169355
its clearly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK329NBj55M

>>46169355
This is not the Cleganebowl.

>>46169357
Yeah both of them are insanely powerful, I will actually stop playing magic if for one reason or another Jace is the one that ends up taking out Nahiri.

>>46169230
Honestly Wizards left her out of the Zendikar 2 block for a reason, and I'd rather the band-aid get pulled off now in terms of her being dealt with as opposed to 2-3 years from now with *ANOTHER* return to Zendikar.

>>46169379
I don't think she's behind at all, I think she is his equal, if his only equal left in the multiverse.

Bolas and Ugin for instance, are pretty shite at pure combat.

Why is BR not allowed to have any planeswalkers?

>>46169355
>>46169390
gotta disagree
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAwWPadFsOA

>>46169355
>>46169390
You're both wrong

It's clearly this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8jxqyyWWw0

>>46169312
Compare what he's wearing in his planeswalker card to any other card he's in.

His gauntlets are larger, larger shoulder plates. Thigh plates, boots are armored as well.

Sorin definitely suited up for this fight

>>46169418
What about karn, he is supposed to be a powerhouse

>>46169379
>>46169357
I mean nahiri is powerful in her own ways to be sure. Her lithomancy and whatever other mysterious powers she has let her manipulate entire planes. I just don't think there's anything in the canon that points to her being good at actually fighting, however.

If you say, who is more powerful between the two, there's no clear answer because we don't know and their powers are completely different. But if you ask who would win a fight? It should be sorin. But I assume that nahiri isn't retarded. If she doesn't have some plan involving her hedrons or some shit to beat him straight up, she presumably just won't fight him straight up.

>>46169355
this is the only time I have EVER been excited for a Planeswalker "Duel" in magics story history.

two incredibly powerful forces of ambigous morality clashing, destroying everything around them.

this, this is what it was always meant to be when it comes to the conflict of Walkers.

>when the final battle happens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOZLOss5adU

this is clearly the theme.

If for some stupid reason, Jace or Liliana kills or win somehow vs Sorin and/or Nahiri, I will fucking stop playing this game, give away my set of Tarmogoys and LotV and play poker for the rest of my life.

Screencap this shit.

>>46169472
we have literally no idea how strong karn is. guy can travel through time, create entire planes, who the fuck even knows.

>>46169419
Because Nixilis is already where that character would be.

>>46169474
The one bit of lore we have on her is pre-mending which sort of makes it impossible to gauge her power now, though in that one she wipes out whole swarms of eldrazi with more or less a flick of the wrist.

>>46169472
HAHAHAH

OH MY

FUCKING

GOD.

do you know anything about Karn? anything?

do you know what Karn's most important fucking characteristic is?

he's a fucking Pacifist, Anon, he was made a powerful card because that's what you do with super old lore characters.

>>46169474
in a Fight she can literally manipulate the ground and metal around her on a massive, worldly scale.

as scene in her fucking planeswalker card where she is levitating and imploding and permantly floating Markov Manor.

she is far more "destructive" in nature than Sorin, who is more precise.

Nahiri is a fucking Atom bomb, Sorin is the sharpest scalpel.

>>46169486
Jace never wins any fights, why would you think he would win a fight now?

especially against Old Walkers, who far outstrip him in everything.

he's never once tussled with an Old Walker and walked away of his own accord.

>>46169495
Karn is not that strong, he can only go through time portals, not travel through time at will.

him creating a Plane was very, very common because he was an Oldwalker, his plane however, was very very Shit and everyone who got suck there suffered for it.

Karn is only unique because he's a non-living being with a Spark due to very complicated circumstances, he's also a fucking Pacifist.

>>46169418
Power levels go something like this:

>Fucking dragons tier
Nicol Bolas and Ugin.
>Ridiculously accomplished oldwalkers tier
Sorin, Nahiri, Karn and potentially Ob Nixilis now he's back.
>Enhanced walker tier
Garruk and Liliana. Elspeth also falls into this power level naturally, without enhancement.
>Neowalker tier
Literally everyone else. Some might have advantages in specific areas but in general, they're around the same power level.

Clearly this is the only final battle music suitable for Nahiri vs Sorin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZEURntrQOg

>>46169515
that hasn't changed, she destroyed Markov Manor effortlessly in seconds simply to send a message.

has any other "new walker" killed so many high level ancient vampires INCIDENTALLY before?

the only new walker who is as strong as these ones is Elspeth, and she's told directly to us to be a fucking inhuman monster in battle.

When are they going to start spoiling commons? I want some madness stuff for pauper.

>>46169584
Elspeth is actually stronger than Lili or Garruk, she's the strongest New Walker (and still stronger than Lili an ex-old walker)

Nicol Bolas and Ugin are not the best in a fight, exactly, they are probably far stronger than all the New Walkers, but Sorin greatly feels Nahiri could kill Ugin.

>>46169593
Man nobody cares about commons.

>mfw Sorin kills Nahiri
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQI53BsWPrk

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Where will this ever see real play?

>>46169349
>to be honest I'm not sure why he'd even be upset that she murdered literally everyone at markov manor. i don't entirely understand why sorin even cares about innistrad. he got kicked out of markov manor because all his vampire famalams were mad that he made avacyn, right? he literally made her to save them from their own retardation and now he's not welcome at markov manor and hasn't been for thousand years. why does he still give a shit?
It's family i suppose. You may don't like them, they may not like you, but no one fucks with your family

>>46169584
Bolas has lost every direct conflict he's been in except with Ugin, who he outright cheated (which is his strength, i'm not saying he's 'wrong' to cheat)

Bolas and Ugin aren't so much physical and magical power houses as they are immensely strong in the powers of the mind and etherical.
they are still QUITE STRONG in battle, but not unbeatable, they have peers, however few, that aren't Dragons.

>>46169668
Maybe in EDH, so no.

>>46169623
Is elespeth really that strong, if so what level are the theros gods at

>>46169668
Screams "EDH bait" to me.

>>46169442
This guy gets it

>>46169623
When Garruk is enhanced by his curse or Liliana is enhanced by the Chain Veil, they beat out Elspeth. When they don't have those advantages, Elspeth beats them.

I'll agree she's the strongest planeswalker out of all of the walkers that doesn't have thousands of years of experience.

>>46169624
>delver
>ruse cruise
>bolt (not) getting reprint

>>46169349
he still liked them, he didn't care that he got kicked out.

Sorin is, by far, the most Empathetic of the old-walkers.

he lies to himself and says he's distant, but Sorin is a fucking mushball.

>>46169695
Elspeth has never, ever lost a battle, even exhausted she's stronger than hundreds of men.

she can channel white mana in impossible ways (for a mortal walker) and can channel this directly into herself and her weaponry.

she once killed over 3 battalions of Elite Phyrexians without so much as faltering even once, stacking the bodies so high no one could see her killing.

she's essentially unbeatable in direct conflict, even beings that are "indestructible" she can kill, however the effort was too much and she was exhausted and had finally given up on life, and thats when Heliod shanked her.

>>46169668
In Standard, yes. But the decks running it will still hate it. Green ramp already has great 1-drops in Traverse and Nissa's Oath.

>>46169687
>maybe in EDH
>>46169696
>EDH
This is probably bait but this thing is completely 100% unplayable in EDH. I'd rather run Prismatic Lens if I wanted a bad rock.

>>46169680
I'm pretty sure Bolas up and killed Leshrac, beat Tezzeret on his own artificial plane and presumably killed all of his elder dragon brothers.

The people that beat him were Samurai Jack and Ajani Fucking Pissed Version.

>>46169705
maybe lili with the chain veil, maybe, but Garruk would lose.

Elspeth is the absolute queen of bladed conflict that we have been shown, gods, old walkers, and high level demons and dragons have been left in Awe of her prowess.

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>>46169714
Sorin is the purest mtg waifu

>>46169748
I'm not confident that Elspeth could take Sorin or Nahiri but yeah she's very very strong.

>>46169781
Huh? Elspeth isn't Jeskai.

>>46169695
Elspeth only died because she was tricked and betrayed. She could probably kill Heliod.

>>46169779
Leshrac is a bitch in combat, Tezzeret isn't even worth mentioning.

Bolas isn't a combat focused being, he loses to ones that are in his tier that are, in combat.

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>>46169792

>>46169802
she outright was stated to be able to do it easily, Heliod ran from her both times he attacked her.

she was exhausted and had accepted her death as necessary to bring Daxos back.

>>46169794
We haven't seen all that much that Sorin is capable of post-Mending, while Nahiri seems to be responsible for the creation of a whole new network of magical stones that fuck over Innistrad.

>>46169839
How fucked is Heliod when she gets out?

>>46169802
Theros Gods were (relatively) weak, compared to 'walkers at least. That's why they went through all the loopholes to make sure people never find out.

>>46169757

I feel like it's better than prismatic lens

I also feel like it's better than cold steel heart, though not in every case

People run cold steel heart, so I don't think it's fair to call the card %100 unplayable in edh

Yeah there are better mana rocks but many of the best ones are expensive (mana crypt, monolith)

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>>46169861
they haven't even invented words for that yet.

because Elspeth won't just come back as Elspeth.

... she will Ascend anon.

>>46169748
She got nearly mortally wounded during an encounter with an obliterator on New Phyrexia.

>>46169843
Based on the most recent story where Liliana tells Jace that she doesn't want to go looking for Sorin because she'd rather not die, I'd say that he is quite powerful since Liliana is powered up with the Chain Veil.

>>46169876
no, they are strong, Elspeth is just that much stronger than normal New-Walkers.

something tells me she was actually some sort of experiment.

>>46169820
I just realized the worst part of this. Sorin is sad about how he has no choice but to kill his daughteru who has been driven insane...while standing 5 feet away from a powerful Telepath

>>46169897
Her first encounter was probably before the Chain Veil was in her hands. Sounds like he left an impression too.

My guess is that with the Chain Veil fully active, they'd leave each other with bloody noses in a tie.

>>46169909
B/W Elspeth when?

>>46169917
jace couldn't fix her, Nahiri re-wrote her.

>>46169909
>something tells me she was actually some sort of experiment.
She is Urza's & Mishra's long lost sister.

>>46169932
even if she has phyrexian origins, its clear Elspeth has harnessed whatever power that was grafted to her for herself.

if anything she'd be White/Green, White/Blue, she embodies Bant's ideals so its fitting if she became Bant color'd and got Angel'd up.

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>>46169355
Nahiri's got some pretty big tits, huh?

>>46169930
Yeah it almost certainly was, but I'm not confident that the chain veil is that much of a power boost, but to be fair the power level of everyone in magic is pretty much as high or low as the plot demands.

>>46169939
>Nahiri re-wrote her

Then re-write her again? Have him read all Sorin's memories of Avacyn, and then build her back up from those. I find it hard to believe that a Lithomancer is better at controller minds than Telepath supreme.

I mean, even I don't like Jace, but this seems like a problem he should be an expert at dealing with.

>>46169993
So far the Chain Veil has proven itself to be an auto-win button. It's just a case of 'at what cost.'

>>46169991
No doubt, man.

But her tits aren't nearly as big as her fucking psychosis which I would run the fuck away from.

I have NO idea why elspeth was so strong. Jace can't even fight a few zombies, like c'mon man, hit the gym once in a while you know?

>people arguing nahiri could take sorin in a fight
I don't think just because she can atom bomb the ground you walk on and the air you breathe means she can take sorin in a fight. I think she has to prepare some kind of trap for him. She will no doubt lure him to some place where she has some battery of hedrons or something all set up to channel mana into some kind of plot device. That's the only way it would be a fair fight

>>46169679
yeah probably something like this. he probably even has vampire "children" there. or i guess, had. cuz they dead now lol.

Do people really think Relentless Dead will do anything outside standard? It's so fucking slow, all you can do is grind someone out, if you're playing a zombie deck, and if they kill it while you have no mana then it's gone.

I seriously don't know what people see in that card, seriously, the closest thing I can see to it is Den Protector + Deathmist, but this is so much worse than that in it's card restrictiveness, and you have to play a deck of likely subpar cards. I mean, the card is cool enough, but it's shite outside of standard.

>>46169955
More like Urza and Serras love child

>>46170018
I'm pretty sure it's more like even if Avacyn was "fixed", all that shit she did won't be

>>46170021
who has she beat besides garruk with it

>>46170049
>Do people really think Relentless Dead will do anything
uh no fucking shit you fucking reta
>outside standard
oh, no
obviously not. why is this even a question?

>>46170075
You'd be surpised man, I've seen lots of people talking about it in modern, or as if you can't be doing better things in EDH. I just don't see the hype, it probably won't even be ridiculous in standard, if you're durdling with a relentless and your opponent is playing Arlinn or ramping then you're absolutely fucked.

>>46170068
Kothophed and Griselbrand.

>>46170049

Where do people play zombie tribal at all "outside of standard" ??

Edh

People should think before they say "outside of standard"

I get that edh is kinda the bargain bin format and it's nothing special for a card to be playable in edh

But, even if that's true, and you're not even considering edh when you make statements like that, I have to wonder what the fuck your point is?

Less than 1% of cards printed are viable outside of standard, edh, and limited

So if you're wondering why people get hyped for a card that's only playable in standard, edh, and limited, maybe you should consider that people do in fact play those formats

>>46170068
griselbrand.

you guys remember the plot of original innistrad? cuz as far as i can remember it's this.
>avacyn and big griz end up locked in the helvault together, not sure how
>somehow nobody knows avacyn is in there? so thalia and some other human mooks are like "ok we gotta protect this helvault cuz griselbrand is in here and he's spooky"
>sorin shows up, he's all "wtf where's that all powerful angel i made to keep this shit in shape"
>before he starts investigating he meets tibalt and starts making out with him
>liliana shows up, has the chain veil and needs to kill griselbrand because she made some deal with him that i guess she wants to reneg on now or something
>"hey thalia can you open the rock i need to kill the big demon"
>thalia is like, no he's scarey!
>liliana beats the shit out of her and the human army or w/e i don't really remember, opens the rock
>one shots griselbrand, leaves
>thalia is like "huh"
>sorin finished chilling with tibalt and is like "oh hey avacyn is back"
>the end

>>46168792

That could be the frog thing the cult worships.

>>46168949
>>46169077
Can you imagine being the guy in this art?
>I just wanted a walk on the beach
>Why can I never just have a regular walk on the beach

>>46170133
Again, I should've been more specifc, there are people excited about this card in modern, that's why I said outside standard.

>they killed avvy
>they're gonna kill nahiri too
noooooooooo

>>46169086
>as Marit IS a planeswalker!
No she isn't. She's capable of traversing planes, but via a different means than the planeswalkers. She's more similar to Eldrazi than walkers in that aspect.

>>46170155
You could write for Wizards.

>>46170224
Nah, Garruks gonna kill Sorin.

>>46170194

Fair enough

I agree the card isn't the sort of thing that makes a new deck viable, and since zombies aren't currently a thing in modern, I certainly don't expect the relentless dead to change that

However I also can certainly understand that a new zombie with a recursive ability gets people excited to build a zombie deck with the entire modern cardpool

I don't see the card being played in a tier deck, but there are lots of playable modern brews and zombies could be a new one that catches on, especially on mtgo and cockatrice

>>46170230
dude seriously. why did sorin do nothing?
"lord of innistrad"
>spends entire plot time doing nothing relevant, supposedly "fighting" tibalt even though he's a fucking oldwalker and tibalt isn't even anything

>>46170265
Tibalt was taunting Sorin, and that rustled his jimmies.

if you could give one planeswalker a power boost who would it be
personally i would like it to be garruk, he could make a pretty sick villan

>>46170291
Venser. I'd give him the power to not be dead.

>>46170299

He died in the middle of Phyrexia. Give him some time and he'll be up and running again.

>>46170291
I'd say Ashy but we don't know the full extent of that thing's powers yet. I love Ashy Larry though.

Koth would be neat powered up though.

>>46169355
Why can't all problems be solved with some good sex? I mean, I wouldn't mind some angry sex between these two.
Wait, am I actually shipping? Ew. I feel gross now.

>>46168085

>doesn't grant hexproof

>>46170254
>it turns out nahiri summoned emrakul with her spacetime teleport gateway cannon
>emrakul is eating innistrad while sorin and nahiri fight at their full oldwalker power
>everything that used to be the land around them is chalk white from emrakul and floating and in pieces from nahiri's magic
>the entire plane is in ruins
>sorin's mana bonds no longer work because the plane is destroyed, nahiri has spent all of her powers and is exhausted from maintaining the interplanar portal that summoned emrakul
>emrakul herself looms towards them, nahiri is ready to die while standing triumphant over sorin
>right before emrakul consumes them, garruk planeswalks in with ugin's corpse slumped over his shoulder
>throws ugin at emrakul, he explodes into a time vortex that emrakul gets sucked in to
>axes nahiri and leaves, he doesn't even realize that sorin is a planeswalker at this point

>>46169410
hype?
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.
.
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HYPE!

>>46170386
The biggest disappointment. I'm just going to end up putting it on Geist 1.0 anyway though.

>>46170278
>tibalt isn't even dead right now
holy SHIT wizards can't you do fucking ANYTHING right
just watch tibalt is going to show up again and it's going to be fucking STUPID

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>>46170391
>You will never be Garruks sidekick who he occasionally fucks
why live

>>46170448
On the plus side, we'll finally get our BR walker out of it.

>>46170391
10/10 holy shit the mental image made my sides leave orbit

>>46170391
what am i reading

>>46166515
There's two mythics left right?
Olivia and Arlynn, Jund is back.

>>46170391
But that's wrong you fucking moron
Emrakul doesn't affect the landscape aside from the gravity bubble it uses to float around

>>46170479
You mean besides the Dragon Man?

>>46170531
>two mythics

Gisela and Bruna?

>>46169668
Dovetails well with Hedron Archive.

>>46167250
I want the chalky bitch dead.
Volrath was right!

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>>46170535
eldrazis eat the land's manas mang, whether it's the titan itself or their brood the land ends up looking like this

>>46170538
He's blue though.

>>46170561
The legendary toad will probably be mythic.

>>46170538
Sarkhan was only BR for a short time because dragon-induced insanity. Also Sarkhan the Mad is such a shit-tier card it barely counts.

>>46170583
only kozilek and ulamog do that, emmy only morphs living stuff

All I want out of this block is for the new Thalia to be good. And spirits.

>>46170583
No, that is specifically what Ulamog leaves behind Kozilek leaves behind the weird geometric patterns and Emrakul doesn't do anything to the landscape.

So, no RG Legendary Werewolf then?

>>46168501
Cunt power.

>>46166719
>Relentless Dead
You mean grave titan? He actually doesn't count as a zombie, unless that's errata'd somewhere but I checked already and didn't see anything.

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>>46170583
As the others have said, see pic. It's different for all three of them.

>>46170687
Next set.

>>46168714
>I don't think she'll lose, anon, she seems to be really fucking confident here.
Liliana kills her in Eldritch Moon, turns out Ugin is no better than Bolas and was manipulating her to destroy Sorin before destroying her himself.

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>>46170697
I think he means this one.

>>46170687
My assumption is the last two mythics will be green. So no RG werewolf legend this set, but maybe a monogreen one?

It's weird, I thought that Wizards would make Nahiri be corrupted by emrakul or something. Seemed like such an easy plot line to make up.

I just hope I don't get nahiri.

>Which mythic will most likely be to chase?

Relentless Dead more likely than not, new jace is average for what is blue but the cost makes him less likely to see play.

>>46170772
Except it's ten times more interesting to give her genuine agency and to make her a vengeful, spite-filled bitch.

We just don't know the reason why yet.

>>46168975
Marit is the original Cthulhu of MtG, the only actual Cthulhu since the Eldrazi are Galactus Daleks with tentacles and job just as hard.
Lage's shit was destroying sanity and trampling over people, not because she was some lolgodforceofnatureoldone shit, but because she was an extremely powerful and petty wizard that tapped into so much mana she could walk the planes without a spark.

How do you think Wizards will ruin Gisela in this set or the next?

I'm guessing an ability that lets you prevent damage, but only if creatures are attacking.

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>>46170824
>Not wanting Nahiri for your Boros deck

>>46170718
>Kozilek literally turns the world to bismuth
>Edgiest being in MTG muliverse by default
>Literally edgiest
>So many fucking edges mang

>>46170872
It's funny how /tg/ is always going on about power creep for creatures while noncreatures get weaker. Looking at the last few blocks, Siege Rhino is the only pushed creature, and with small exceptions like Ulamog, many legendary creatures have become much weaker than their original cards.

Look at the AVR Sigarda compared to the SOI Sigarda.

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Is this the closest to a prerelease thread? If not, sorry.

A couple of questions, does anyone here prepare stuff prior to a prerelease? If so, what?

I'm always slow to sleeve/switch lands around so I figured I'd pre-sleeve 10x each land.

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>>46170718
Well, we finally know what happens when she puts the goggles on.
Wait, were they even on?

>>46169515
And Sorin accepted that "Eldrazi cannot be destroyed" because he had devastated them plenty of times in his life, titans included, before accepting Ugin's fantastic circus plan.

>>46170689
>Nahiri will never hate fuck you
Is there a reason to live?

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>>46171002
Nope.

>>46171047
No. Kill yourself I'll join you in the morning.

>>46171001
Are you going to an event?
If so, don't give a fuck about lands, your LGS will provide

>>46171069
Well hot damn. Will we ever find out?

Tell me, Chandra baby! This suspense is killing me!

>>46171069
Gideon
>Get them closer I want to hit them with my whip-sword.

>>46171000
>siege rhino is the only pushed creature

Did you miss eldrazi winter?

>>46169591
Elspeth killed an army of Phyrexian Negators and Obliterators. That's Taysir/Jeska level firepower.

Nahiri isn't that special, Ugin was just exaggerating or outright lying again.

>>46170642
She does alter the living matter, though. Her trails are marked with strange mutated beasts and tendril like plants and growths. Now, check some of the spoiled cards. I'll wait.

>>46171107
>Gideon
>Being useless
Though to be fair, he did face-tank a falling hedron to save his waifu while she was channeling Nissa's sweet green mana.

>>46171109
You could make an argument that the devoid Eldrazi were slightly pushed for their CMC, but their faggotry in nonrotating formats is only enabled by lands that weren't printed in the block.

>>46171119
Yes she mutates living things I was referring to landscape as nonliving matter, should have specified better.

>>46171001
>pre-sleeve 10x each land
That sounds like needless preparation

But you just reminded me I have over 100 already sleeved up for my cube and this could be helpful

>>46171107
I never understood that
Why does Gideon use energy whips to hit things instead of an actual weapon

>>46170854
I could see the whole "no one came to help when I needed it " angle, I guess. Seems a bit extreme though...

Maybe the whole "you left me living in a rock for hundreds of years without saying hello " just got to her.

>>46168657
>trying to get people to read WotC lore.

>>46169680
All Bolas needs to do to kill you and everything you love is planeswalk fully into your plane.
He explicitly needs to walk into a grixis leyline, otherwise the plane's mana implodes because of how much fucking mana his actual body has stored through the ages, that's why he needs hobos like Sarkhan, Tezzeret and Ramaz to do his biddings in the multiverse and why he can only show up in places like Grixis, the maelstrom or the meditation plane he created himsef.

>>46171140
I suppose they weren't pushed for standard nearly as much as the rhino was, but they were definitely pushed nonetheless. Thought Knot Seer is arguably better than Vendillion Clique for instance, even ignoring the discounts, and Reality Smasher is insane.

>>46171073
How will I know its you anon?

>>46171283
I removed the top of my skull cap. There is a plastic dome there now. I will have a massive red penis drawn on the dome.

When you see the penis, you will know it's me.

>>46170876
Sorry bro she just isn't that good

Phyrexians will get involved when the batterskulls flood the plain to protect their waifu.

>>46169779
>Samurai Jack

Who?

>>46169930
As soon as Liliana used the veil she knew she was now much more powerful than Kothophed, who had kicked her ass brutally before and who Bolas didn't even want to see. But even after snuffing him out and swating grizldzl ded, she still fears Sorin.

This is the episode when we remember Vegeta can actually win a fight from time to time.

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>>46171336

>>46169820
more important than any of that is the is the fact that Tamiyo is in that picture, my moon waifu is still alive!

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>>46171069

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>>46171336

>>46171089

I like using cards that don't look like they've been the corner slot.

Not to mention I'd rather not put them in my sleeves.

>>46171155

Needless with sleeving them or 10x of each?

>>46171357
yeah like seriously how strong IS sorin, fucking liliana has cheat code: the item in her inventory and she still talks up sorin real big to jace in the UR

>>46171374
for now.

>>46171336
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e51hgWIsY4M

>>46171389
Thanks.

>>46170164
The toad is an actual toad. It doesn't have tentacles and it's not that big.

>>46171101
she cries because they make her think about her dead parents

>>46169820
That shitty flavor text being inserted killed my sides.

>>46169820
I've really got to admit, they absolutely nailed Sorin's expression for that art.

His face so clearly reads an expression of "Oh, what the hell did I just have to do? What the fuck, I just had to kill my daughter, fucking hell."
Even kind of looks like he's about to tear up.

>>46171403
I don't think Lili's afraid of Sorin so much as she doesn't want Jace to get killed.

>>46169063
Please respond. I want a Gisela that isn't whacked out of her mind.

>>46170772
The point is, Nahiri is right, she will win, and Sorin is a shitlord.
Why? It doesn't matter, the literally white woman cannot lose to patriarchy: the character.

>>46171498
Maybe? There's two slots left and while one is obviously going to be green, the other could be anything.

>>46171474
Sorin's just reaping what a thousand years of dis-interest does to his shit. Everything he built up is being destroyed because he couldn't help but fuck off and do whatever he felt like doing at the time.

>>46170046
I'm secretly hoping she turns out to be in the right here in some clever twist.

I know it won't happen, but I love being surprised

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I hope Nahiri doesn't die.

>>46171483
Afraid? Hardly. She would definitely register him as a threat though, and like you said she doesn't want her favorite boy-toy coming down with a bad case of being-in-the-way-of-a-millenia-old-vampire.

>>46171474
That or it's his HNNNNNNG face.

>>46171483
>none of it does me any good if Sorin kills both of us
She specifically won't go with because she thinks that Sorin kill her.

>>46171498
Well, Gisela and Bruna are definitely crazy lunatics as of now. If we get either of them this set, they'll be mad. I'm not sure if they'll even survive the mayhem to reappear in the next set, though, considering they are siding with Avacyn instead of Sigarda.

There could obviously still be the possibility of them turning back to normal once Avacyn is dead, which could result in good versions of them next set. I also wouldn't even be surprised if the threat for the next set turns out to be their last W/B Angel demon sister manipulating shit from the moon in order to be revived, planning all along to get Avacyn out of the way.

>>46171516
Can you not?
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>>46171390
Both, there will be lands at the prerelease to use, and it takes like 10 seconds to sleeve up your mana base

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>>46171551
First time I went and played at my store was the release of the 2014 commander decks, I picked Nahiri

I hope there's a peaceful resolution, but you don't just get to walk away from some of the things she's done.

>>46171632
Nissa got to "just walk away" from doing the dumbest shit of the century.

>>46171632
>Wrecking the home plane of one of the most powerful planeswalkers and killing his pseudo-daughter.
Nah, she's totally fucked man.

>>46171659
But dem Joragas.

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>>46171336
My brother

>>46171594
That would be a neat twist, actually. Just do it in a way that keeps Gisela alive.

We need ONE R/W angel that both stays alive and isn't evil.

Do it.

>>46171695
Shit, was meant for
>>46171297

>>46166515
>>46166515
I want Geralf's Masterpiece that would be sweet in this ub deck I've been building

>>46171728
>Avacyn gets killed by Sorin
>angels come back to their senses
>"Ok, now to get rid of that bitch Nahiri"
>moon cracks open
>Sister X emerges
>"IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!"
>Nahiri was just her pawn
>Sigarda, Gisela and Bruna team up Powerpuff Girls-style

And we'd finally get our first 3WWBB Demon Angel.

I could dig it.

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>>46171778
Yes.

>>46166515
>avacyn is going full /pol/
degeneracy must be purged, start with the furries.

>>46171847
I hear she gets what every /pol/lack deserves

>>46171847
Sorin, the /pol/slayer. He's not the hero 4chan needs, but he's definitely the hero it deserves.

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>First B/R planeswalker.
>it is a Goblin for Lorwyn.
>It traverses the multiverse in search of new sensations.
>It steals the Veil from Liliana, the Bident from Koira, and Chandra's goggles.

In reality it will be the edgiest planeswalker possible from the Rakdos guild.

>>46171888
>chandra's goggles
Too far.

Avacyn hasn't gone /pol/ she's gone /v/ and she's murdering the shit out of casuals.

/pol/ is undiluted black mana.

>>46171939
Nah /pol/ is monowhite supremacy

So is there any hope for a cavern of souls reprint?

>>46171888
>Chandra's goggles
Fight me

>>46169086
It's just Wrexial.

>>46171939
>/pol/
>not GB

Elves in Lorwyn believed they were master race and all others were inferior.

>>46171675
This, you just don't kill a man's daughter and walk away scotfree.

>>46172026
Before BFZ I would have said that you don't get to unleash world destroying monstrosities and walk away scotfree, but we know that's not true.

>>46172026
But he killed his own daughter.

>>46171963
>/pol/
>Morality
Honestly it's more like what >>46172009 said. How does it feel knowing that you're no better than a fucking knife-ear?

>>46172078
White is the most xenophobic color. Do you even color pie nigger.

>>46172078
>white
>good
anon stop

>>46172104

No, that would be black with its ruthless individualism and selfishness.

>>46166515
As much as I love Avacyn, I have to concede that Relentless Dead is king. In addition to the zombie deck suggestions thus far, it becomes exponentially better in multicoloured decks when you play multiples of it. This is because Relentless Dead can target another Relentless Dead in the yard and pay 2 colourless if need be.

Obviously the zombie deck is the most apparent application, but yeah. Just a thought.

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>>46172078
The green part more comes from the elf thing
/pol/ would be white black

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>>46172104
Green is the color racism. With black it becomes systematic Genocide. Nissa was a racist and toyed with black mana in Lorwyn before the retcon.

Wizards usually defaults G/B to graveyard shenanigans, so this aspect of G/B almost never pops up.

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>>46172232
>Canadian

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>Triskaidekaphobia is a fear of the number 13

>>46172520
Shit that is some awesome flavor.

>>46172520
I really hope I get to lose to this card.

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>>46172520
>13 blood trails
>13 shards of glass
>13 logs
>13 utensils
>13 barrel studs
>13 stones in the arch above the fireplace

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>>46172520
Holy fuck that art is the best

>>46172520
that is some premium jank

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>>46172625

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>>46172625
13 planks on the ceiling too

and 13 planks on the walls