Turn of the Century/WW1 Art Thread

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Given that the game is gonna be taking place in a pretty deadly period of history, armor technology like pic related becoming widespread and effective could be a boon for PCs.

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Found this.

>>46123731

Look up Scythe, OP. It's a boardgame based on an alternate history universe created by the artist of your OP pic. There's a load of awesome relevant pictures you can find.

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>>46123731

I got some views from the trenches for ya.

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>>46125295

And that's about all I've got which doesn't get into more grisly imagery. Hope it helped, OP.

The movie 9 was probably one of the best dieselpunk kind of settings for me.
Just watched it again recently, fuckin love that film.

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I've got some propaganda if you want it.

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I've got some propaganda if you want it.

>>46123731
What's your game going to be like?

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>>46123762
>tfw both Allies and Entente ignored body armour because it's honorable to die for your country
and people wonder why WWI was such a meat grinder

In any case, body armour from this period didn't really do anything for rifle fire (pretty much only ceramic inserts are good for that); it was provably tested, however, that it provided really good protection against shrapnel, which was really important since no one was strategically inclined enough to do anything other than lob EVEN MORE artillery shells at the enemy. A handful of the Germans got some lobster plate (pic related), but otherwise, nations of the day just didn't really feel inclined to armour their soldiers.

>>46126553
You've also got to remember that armor required resources needed for other things, and required additional logistics and care.

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>>46123731
What system are you using?

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>>46126662
Cost and material to lives saved ratio definitely made it worth it. Both earlier in the war, before Europe poured all of its resources into the maw, and later, when the people started running out too. Considering the number of shells they were manufacturing on a daily basis, it would not have been a huge stretch to armour their troops as well. It would have made a huge tactical difference to any nations that implemented.

Then again, this sort of oversight/blunder was extremely commonplace in WWI, like the German high command dismissing these new tanks coming out as ridiculous (that alone should've had them on trial for gross negligence) or the French fighting-spirit-always-offensive thing, even though the Franco-Prussian war had lost them the territories of Alsace and Lorraine and it was not longer strategically viable, in a geographical sense, for them to be on the offensive.

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I think Resistance FoM did a reasonable job of twisting things up

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>>46126987
That was more 1950s though

>>46127091
I know, I'm sorry it ain't early 19-teens, but it is aesthetically pleasing

>>46126864
Unless it's somehow armoring them against disease it wouldn't have a huge impact. That armor you have posted might have stopped shrapnel, but only on the places that were armored. Even then, it's not going to help when you go over the top.

To put things in perspective, by the end of the Battle of the Somme over 150 divisions, combined, had been deployed. Assuming that only half of those would have received armor would have necessitated the construction of more than a million suits of armor.

As for tanks, early tanks were shit and no one had effective tactics for their use. Even by the end of the war they only really effective at a tactical level, assuming they actually made it to combat.

>>46126553
I believe that you are missing the key point with the meatgrinder and artillery thing - communications was vastly outpaced by killing technology in the early phases of the war.

Whenever an advance was made and territory captured, whoever had made the capture was cut off from communication with the hq (and thus with their own artillery), and could not get fire support for either advancing further or indeed to hold the ground by directing friendly fire towards enemy artillery positions that can not be seen from the front line. It's a simple matter to organize and succeed with a counter-attack using artillery support on a position with no no stable communications or fire support.

Yes, plate armour is pretty good for protection from shrapnel. But it doesn't do a damn against gas, it won't help against a Maxim and it certainly won't help against a tank. It is expensive and it slows down any trooper wearing it, making them heavier. Artillery barrages make a hell of a lot of mud, and I certainly wouldn't want to wear anything that made me sink deeper into that and drown.

You clearly subscribe to the popular notion that generals on either side had no idea what they were doing, but if you had actually read any Great War military history, you'd be aware of some of the great tactical innovations and the great amount of variation and experimentation in strategies used.

>>46124319
It must have been hard to resist the urge to start killing your opposites, especially the officers

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I have tiny hands and feet. Get those destroyers out of my way!

>>46127549
Nigga its CHRISTMAS

>>46127963
>a bunch of enemy leaders are in one room
>killing them all now would swing the battle in your favor, if not ensure victory outright
Christmas or not, all of them must have been thinking it

>>46128022
And as true men, and noble souls they decided

IT'S FUCKIN' CHRISTMAS GET THAT BITCH NIGGA SHIT OUTTA HERE

>>46127418
What Great War reading materials do you recommend, then?

Guns of August and Dan Carlin certainly make both sides sound grossly incompetent.

>>46128022
A few probably did, and sniper shots were reported.

However, IT'S THE FUCKING CHRISTMAS TRUCE

>>46128022

By all accounts, the dudes at all levels were mostly thinking, "Well, fuck, it's kind of nice not having to deal with the tedium and horror of trench warfare for a day." The officers especially were quite eager to exchange gifts of booze and tobacco and to talk about intellectual officer stuff, things they rarely had access to in the trenches with their men. Of course there was trepidation initially, but once established, the ceasefires were upheld--that was how gentlemanly honor worked back then.

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>>46128123
>No other Christmas Truces afterwards

>>46128022
>talking about breaking the Christmas Truce
literally get the fuck out
2dishonourable4me

>>46128176
Cause the higher ups than them decided it was badwrongfun.

>>46128224
Considering how no one but the higher ups wanted the war to continue and the average, suffering soldier had a lot more in common with the soldiers on the other side of the line than with their officers, and the rise of socialism was beginning to threaten the status quo, yeah, the higher ups didn't want that sort of thing happening again.

>>46128224

That, and for the simple reason that hatred on both sides was more well-established as the war dragged on. It was one thing for everybody to get chummy during the first year of the war, but when those guys in the opposite trench have been killing your mates, blowing up what little shelter you've got with artillery, and doing their damnedest to make your life ever worse, all for several years, suddenly they're not so much "Those Guys" as "Those Assholes." The tone of any war shifts over time, and rarely for the better.

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Say that parachutes wound up being invented earlier, would that mean we'd get airborne infantry much earlier in history, dropped from zeppelins at night?

If so, how many people could a zeppelin lift anyway?

>>46128657
Probably in the hundreds if it is really big.

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>>46128657

It's conceivable, and it could indeed have had great impact on the stalemate that was the Western Front. Zeppelins had immense carry loads and range, so getting a company's worth of dudes into one and dropping them over enemy lines could certainly work.

There are caveats, however. First and foremost: training your guys to do all this is going to require years of preparation. You're not working from any existing doctrine, here--you're literally writing the playbook, and that means a lot of time spent ironing out the kinks. Second, there's no guarantee of this project's secrecy, and if even the barest hint of the concept reaches your enemy, they're going to develop countermeasures, which are probably going to take less time to be even more effective. Third, all manner of things could go awry when it comes time to execute--airborne operations are notoriously susceptible to weather, as are Zeppelins--and the loss of just one aircraft means a considerable loss of men. Fourth, once on the ground the troops are going to be just as vulnerable as they would elsewhere--a few machine guns can easily kill or pin down the entire force you just dropped from one airship. Fifth, unless you figure out a way to coordinate with friendly lines (and to do so without radios), it's only a matter of time before your airborne troops are surrounded and destroyed by the enemy. Finally, this is something you're only going to get one shot at, because if he hasn't already, the enemy WILL figure out a counter to these new tactics, and quickly.

TL;DR: While some of it looks good on paper, there's a lot of issues which stack the odds against the idea's overall success.

>>46129435
So how'd the paratroopers of World War 2 work out all these kinks, like vulnerability to enemy fire and all that?

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>>46129593

Light machine guns, for one. One of the biggest problems of WWI that was overcome in the Interbellum was the development of man-portable automatic weapons. Giving a squad the ability to actually return a comparable volume of fire against an entrenched enemy position makes considerable difference.

Another development of note was the static-line method of deploying the parachute before the trooper exits the aircraft--this allows the chute to open more quickly, and thus at a lower altitude, which means less time for the enemy to target the descending paratroopers.

The biggest thing, though, was the massive shift in communication that came out of WWI. Militaries the world over started devising methods of planning and coordination that allowed for greater operational finesse, and that meant that they could actually capitalize on the disruption caused by airborne operations.

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>>46126663
OP here, sorry for the delay. It's gonna be a GURPS game since that's what my group is most familiar with. The game begins just at the turn of the century, 1905. Most of the players are veterans of a recent conflict in the Balkan Peninsula.
From there they're working as freelancers and are on a mission to the Himalayas to recover a crashed airship carrying a valuable cargo of luminiferous aether. The aether is an experimental substance recently discovered to be harvestable from the upper atmosphere and useful as a power source. The campaign itself is influenced by the Leviathan series by Scott Westerfeld (the world anyway, not so much the young adult romance stuff), as well as a lot of other alternate history works, but Leviathan is the best reference point for my players.
While the technology is there, the game doesn't have any of the VIctorian trappings of steampunk; everything is industrial, and one of the major themes will be that this world with all its imperialism and xenophobia isn't ready for the rapid development of industry. The Great War is just on the horizen, everyone knows it, and no one is ready for the horror of industrialized warfare. The players will begin as independent agents, and eventually choose how they want to influence the world as it becomes embroiled in war.
We're all pretty interested in this time period, so the history is more spiced up with technology and factions than changed wholly. We're also really focussing on the global stretch of the war; the first real act is going to take place in the Middle East with a Lawrence of Arabia theme.

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>>46127418
OP here, I didn't mean to imply that the armor in the pic I posted would be bulletproof, I meant that more as an aesthetic thing. In my world I would add a note about some effective composite material being developed that could provide enough protection against firearms to warrant equipping the average soldier with at least a breastplate.
The primary benefit would still be protection from shrapnel. An infantryman would have a helmet and a breastplate, a cavalryman would wear a heavier set.
The implications of an effective composite material would have to be explored more in depth, but the main reason its there is so PCs have some measure of protection against bullet impacts.

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>>46128657
I imagine effective paratroopers could be a successor to the cavalry to some degree. Gung-ho blue-bloods eager to get into the thick of combat without all the tedium of infantry life in the trenches.

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>>46131399
>Leviathan
mah nigga

I'm thinking about running a treasure hunters campaign, sort of Indiana Jones style, but with much more dieselpunk stylistics to it, perhaps mixed with a bit of Verne-like themes. Anybody know a good system for something like that?

>>46131399
The Aether is a cool idea for a plot device that fits within the style of the time period. I had an idea for a story that involved a 20's inspired diesel-punk future where people sailed between planets on "Aether Currents" using solar sailer-esque spacecraft.

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From the Wipers Times - Trench Newspaper

Wipers Times 2

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Dumping

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>>46136891
The last word on scientific exercise for your eugenic offspring

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>>46128022
Nobody gave a shit anymore after a year of war.

There were constant mini-truces all over the front lines on all fronts, sentries exchanging jokes and agreeing to deals so that bodies could be recovered.

Every now and then you had a patriotic idiot who tried to break the old truces. He usually didn't survive long.

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>>46137185
>Falling backwards from recoil in 3...2...1...

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Heh, hadn't noticed that.

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>>46137231
Deployable stabilizing kick stands
done

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>>46137273
With a gun that big, kick stands wouldn't cut it. You'd need a large and wide base to achieve true stability.

This isn't even getting into mobility issues like trying to go up a hill.

>>46137314
That and it's not even functional as a siege tower. It doesn't do what they're designed to do

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Got a question for ya history buffs.

If the airplane was not invented when it was, or never invented at all, would landships presuming that they work be a logical step after tanks, or could artillery just pound them until they die?

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>>46136356
Was this distributed among the soldiers or was it more of a civilian thing? I'd assume the higher ups would view satire like this as bad for morale.

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>>46125922
>>46125737

Yes, I love Great War propaganda!

>>46128022
>that's what niggers think
>failing to realise back in the day honour meant something

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>>46137455
Niggas actually went out and fought though

>>46137365

The effectiveness of close-air support and tactical bombers is actually grossly over-exaggerated when it comes to discussing their effectiveness against tanks (which is a shame, because I love me some CAS).

However, landships on the scale of the German Ratte would be XBOXHUEG enough to be easily hit even by aircraft, and artillery commanders would die laughing the moment they got the call to target this thing.

Basically, you'd need a world where both aircraft and artillery either don't exist or are underdeveloped enough to make landships viable.

>>46123790
I loved that april fools event in Warthunder.

>that feel when you're working on a fantasty setting that was comfortably sliding into early great war technology till dwarves decided to make giant robots.

Really Im curious how mecha-knights would handle themselves in early modern style warfare.

>>46137512
I'm just sad we'll never have them do a proper mecha game now. Wonder what they'll do for it this year.

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>>46137513
They'd die to superior tanks and artillery fire

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>>46137391
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHS8c_fk21Q

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>>46137557
steampunk TIE space fighter, anyone?

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>>46137573
Here's a TIE Fighter for ya

>>46137555
Nice Trips and I'd give artillery but tanks weren't ever really developed as the historical reasoning to the mecha is that a species that arrived on the continent and fucked it and its inhabitants for a solid three hundred years had giant robots they used as partly a scare tactic but also to curb stomp what at that time was knights on horseback. And, eventually provided the basis for basically the whole Industrial revolution in the process.

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>>46137596
And their pilots

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>>46137606
The thing with tanks is that they're just more practical in literally every way. Less complex, faster, more maneuverable, don't have to deal with the problems of square-cube law and a high center of gravity, etc

It's best to just do mechs and never bring up tanks. Leviathan did this, except for a little moment where the main character derides tracked vehicles every being used for warfare.

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>>46137665
>>46137606
Alternatively, make them less giant robot and more VOTOMS size. Much more practical, and you get to keep the knight aspect.

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>>46137665
pretty much what I planned on, there's also the whole they're powered by magic thing to run with too.

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>>46137761
Confederate landship

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I had actually planned on having the timeline eventually expand to space travel, add some Space 1889 elements to the fiction. WW1 would spill over into further territories. Due to the more advanced technology like effective personal armor, functional walkers, and air power the war became less of a meatgrinder on the western front, so the lower overall casulties mean that the horrors of industrialized war haven't been quite enough to dispell the old attitudes towards nationalistic warfare. As such, World War 1 will last much longer in this timeline.

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>>46137826
>WW1 in space

Dumping Spacecraft of the First World War

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>>46137870
This is great stuff anon.

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>>46137891
Thanks anon.

>>46137860
That is probably the worst idea for superstrength i've heard.
Explosivepowered strength? It's powerful sure, but it'll run out quicker and is harder to acquire. And since the muscles are replaced entirely, not to mention the extra weight that's implied... You'll run out of gunpowder way to quickly for that to be feasible.

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>>46137929
It does run out quite quickly in the manga.

It's like a turbo mode for the prothesis, not the standard. And it doesn't quite work that well.

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>>46137867
Continuing dump now

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>>46137557
https://youtu.be/l34KIh_Iy7g?t=142

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>>46138029
That's coll, I'll check it out

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for >>46138053
>That's cool, I'll check it out.

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Gods, I'm drunk out of lack of sleep

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Highly recommend watching this for references:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifWwj_Jp86A

>>46138604
Typical clan routine at the macrobattery decks of the defense station 9881-Cadmus

>>46132558
When I saw KT doing art for that series I got interested until I saw it was "young adult". Is it worth powering through just for the setting. I find modern " young adult" books incredibly tedious when trying or I'll read the movie pitch and gag at the incredibly highschool "nobody understands you but you are special don't listen to the adults of your dystopian society when they try to dictate your entire future on one seemingly ambiguous test, tournament, or class based birthright (highschool is hard we get it). Tear off that grey smock and incite revolution with the aid of every boy, who loves you, who will you pick? Childhood friend or....the new guy". I realize kids at that age eat that shit up because it simultaneously conforms to their worldview and fulfils their fantasies of being a Mary or Mitch sue or whatever they are called these days.

Went on a tangent there, but is the series any good or is it Hunger Trials: City of Divergents- Part; we read the Giver and 451 and missed the point.

>>46139581
>Part; we read the Giver and 451 and missed the point.
Kek.

>>46126864
Weren't machine guns the biggest killers of the war? No way armor's going to stop that.

>>46140165
It will if it's thick enough, but then you have the possibility of mobility issues, and the question if a soldier is worth the price of materials.

>>46140165

Nope. Artillery and disease were the biggest killers, as they normally are.

>>46139581
The series gets a little bogged down by the romance towards the end, and the conclusion seems pretty rushed, but the setting is worth the price of admission alone.

>>46127166
How did that shit end, anyway? I never really bothered to beat the last game.

Radio guy in the second game broke my damn heart, though.

>"Y'know what...friends? I think I'm gonna just...take a walk."

>>46123849
It would be so fuckin loud that high up.

>>46128657
Probably a few squads, mid to late WWI zeppelins had a crew of ~20, and that was for long missions over the sea or to England, if only operating over the front you wouldn't need a lot of crew. And postwar American zeppelins like the Shenandoah and Los Angeles which were basically identical to the German wartime ones had a crew of around 40, meaning they could at least carry that many. And these too were fitted for naval reconnaissance, which meant they had to carry plenty of food, places to sleep, etc. So for short-range missions over the front they could probably carry 50 total, crew + passengers. So with a paratrooper mission requiring say 15 crew, that leaves room for 35 paratroopers or so, which would weigh quite a bit less than the maximum bomb load. So they could probably carry even more, though at that point it's more a question of room than weight.

>>46137481
Most field artillery was around 3" or so, wasn't it? It should theoretically be possible to armor a landship against that, provided it is large enough, though obviously it would cut into speed and firepower.

>>46142425
>Most field artillery was around 3" or so, wasn't it?

Most guns were of that range of calibers, yes, but that doesn't mean bigger guns didn't exist. The Brits had their 6-inch howitzers, and the Germans had their famous big guns like the Bertha. Such guns would have little issue zeroing in on a large, slow target like a land battleship, especially if they were already pre-sighted for whatever path the landship was moving along (which, again, would be easy to predict).

Also, if we're assuming the technology to make a land battleship exists (immensely powerful engines, heavy armor manufacturing techniques, etc.) we also assume that other technology advances relative to that. So, we're right back where >>46137481 said: artillery needs to be severely underdeveloped relative to armor technology to make it viable.

>>46128657
>Although Winston Churchill had proposed the creation of an airborne force to assault behind the German lines in 1917 during the First World War,[1] the first modern operation dates to late 1918. Major Lewis H. Brereton and his superior Brigadier General Billy Mitchell suggested dropping elements of the U.S. 1st Division behind German lines near Metz. The operation was planned for February 1919 but the war ended before such an attack could be seriously planned.

>>46143294

Don't forget the part about why the planning fell through: technology and logistics were completely inadequate to pull it off.

Typical Churchill. He had all these grandiose ideas, but never grasped the practical limitations.

>>46137185
...this is well after the era of fortifications with high walls that require a siege tower to scale or fire over. What exactly is the point of this thing?

Also, forget tipping over when it fires - that thing will sink into the mud long before it reaches the enemy trench,

>>46143964
It starts off firing the lower guns then as it sinks in the mud the crew climb up to the next gun.

>>46139581
Its young adult, but aside from maybe some pro democracy stuff there isnt any message to the books.

>>46127386
anybody who has not watched the BBC Our World War is missing out. Only 3 episodes, but 3 hours to WIP and chill.

>>46128081
Keegans illustrated WW1 is a pure blow-by-blow military history - really good. Masse's Dreadnaught is an excellent book about the buildup and economic causes.

Guns of August is really good too.

>>46136919
WTF is this?

>>46147419
Modern gynastic equipment... during the Victorian Age. That time when applying magnets to your vertebrae and radium on your lips was a great idea.

>>46147498
wow. thanks.