Tieflings

>>46120403
>best race

So, half-elves? Mechanically speaking.

>>46120456
+2 INT and DEX

Perfect rogue or wizard class

File: 12543187_1706398832937445_1881518109_n.jpg (53KB, 640x640px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 640x640px

>>46120403
>best race
>not delicious ayy lmaos with childbearing hips

Nice try anon

>>46120622
>race

>species

Bruh.

>>46120785
>using race to mean anything other than species

What is this, the 19th Century?

File: tmp_2288-Tiefling43020375.jpg (139KB, 400x539px) Image search: [Google]

139KB, 400x539px

>>46120403
I love tieflings, but much prefer them to be less red skin and horns, and more a random amalgamation of various demonic bits.

This isn't even a good picture, but the best I could be arsed to find on my phone.

>>46120836
>What is this, the 19th Century?

Is it not?

>>46120950
I know what you mean, I really don't like tieflings in 4e onward.

File: 1455905976143.png (50KB, 293x281px) Image search: [Google]

50KB, 293x281px

>>46120978
>>46120950
>Look for some Tiefling Artworks for a character
>99% of them have the Horns & Tail combo

They're not really a race though, at least not initially.

File: 1431321019376.png (273KB, 600x650px) Image search: [Google]

273KB, 600x650px

>>46121209
horns are cute. CUTE!

File: judgemental stare.jpg (56KB, 517x572px) Image search: [Google]

56KB, 517x572px

>>46120403

The Colbert line you're thinking of is "Great ____, or the greatest ____."

What you typed was just repeating "best" twice without variation. It's really stupid that way.

>>46124973
Colbert is unfunny.

The OP wasn't giving you a choice in the matter.

I agree, tieflings are a personal favorite race of mine

>>46120403
Tieflings are only good as a mongrel race.

File: Tief2.jpg (42KB, 600x520px) Image search: [Google]

42KB, 600x520px

>>46123288
Horns are boring.

>>46125468
But Blowjob handles can be exciting!

>>46126253
both for the giver and reciever

File: 1013931[1].jpg (115KB, 600x923px) Image search: [Google]

115KB, 600x923px

>>46121209

I imagine it's because they look like succubi without the whole "eat your soul during sex" thing.

>>46120403
>Everyone cries over Tieflings being "standardized" with new art
>Nobody ever used the old random appearances table anyway

File: Tiefling Kero.jpg (358KB, 800x995px) Image search: [Google]

358KB, 800x995px

>>46129528

To be true, I find Tieflings silly. There shouldn't be an entire race with demonic heritage, and it also implies that only humanoids can have a demonic background. What if I want to play a half-demon crab man.

File: 1428988632880.jpg (348KB, 1241x900px) Image search: [Google]

348KB, 1241x900px

I wish that 5e had tieflings be mongrels by default and confirm that Asmodean tieflings are the vast majority in SCAG. If they'd simply ported the varying appearance and stat stuff to the PHB and kept the lore in both regarding heritage in all settings and the way in which Asmodeus claimed FR tieflings, it'd be perfect. There might actually be art besides the same exact style that it's been since 4e.

>>46130431
half-demon != tiefling

Tieflings only have a tidbit of fiend blood. They are often born to two human parents.

Half demons are usually divided into Alu-fiends (female) and Cambions (male) and can have many different appearances. They are also much stronger than normal PC races and would have steep level adjustment.

>>46130724
>level adjustment
Shit system

I'll concede the other points, I don't know much about Tieflings other than everyone I've met who played one was a special snowfag.

File: Aasimar.jpg (68KB, 596x1000px) Image search: [Google]

68KB, 596x1000px

>>46120403
>Best race or best race
Fiend-spawned scum

File: annah_the_tiefling__planescape_by_lessruth.jpg (176KB, 641x1287px) Image search: [Google]

176KB, 641x1287px

>see this thread
>remember the last Tiefling thread we had on /tg/ http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/45196353/#q45204936
>remember the ideas for a cute dominant tiefling girl x meek human artist story that were thrown around http://pastebin.com/k6cDpcfk
>remember the outline for such a story that I made a few weeks later, which is also on pastebin: http://pastebin.com/BMhwMnMe
One day I'll write it. Just not today.

Also, here's an Annah for reading my blog.

I don't mind the new regimented style of Tieflings, but I also like the old random mutations style as well.

Striking the perfect balance is easy

>Tieflings of Devil blood are the 4e design
>The lawful nature of devils creates a uniformity in their bloodsworn

>Tieflings of Demon blood are the ones who get to roll on the table for weird shit like stinks of sulfur or huge tusks, etc
>Chaos reigns

>>46131174
>Tieflings of Devil blood are the 4e design
>The lawful nature of devils creates a uniformity in their bloodsworn
>Tieflings of Demon blood are the ones who get to roll on the table for weird shit like stinks of sulfur or huge tusks, etc
>Chaos reigns
Definitely stealing this for my next game.

Also, does somebody have the Tiefling trait tables? I think they were from 2e Planescape.

File: Tiefling Tables.png (2MB, 1558x2034px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1558x2034px

>>46131174
>>46132824
Fuck yeah, I'm stealing it too.
Nice idea, anon.

File: DiTerlizzi Tiefling.png (463KB, 601x650px) Image search: [Google]

463KB, 601x650px

>>46121209
Planescape artwork does feature some weirder tieflings, but they're still mostly some combination of horns, tail and/or goat legs. Probably because those are traits that immediately say "fiendish ancestry" from a glance, while a tiefling that looks mostly normal but has red eyes and smells like sulphur wouldn't be immediately recognizeable as such.

>>46123288
Yes they are. Post more cute tiefling/demongirls.

>>46130976
I remember that thread. The whole idea for the story started because somebody made a typo on a lewd greentext, and it led to a pretty cute story idea. I'd like to see it written.

>>46123288
>lace, business suit, glasses tiefling

I'm gonna need both hands for this.

File: 37701085bbd03d81af9fbeae31e5eb10.jpg (202KB, 533x800px) Image search: [Google]

202KB, 533x800px

>>46134680

File: secretarycubus.png (289KB, 388x900px) Image search: [Google]

289KB, 388x900px

>>46134680
I think this one is a succubutt instead of a tiefling, but who'se counting?

>>46134740
>ASSets

File: DiTerlizzi Tiefling2.jpg (82KB, 597x794px) Image search: [Google]

82KB, 597x794px

Rolled 20, 3, 91 = 114 (3d100)

>>46132962
Rolling for tiefling!

File: 1453694555750.jpg (82KB, 692x999px) Image search: [Google]

82KB, 692x999px

>>46134987
>Detect Magic three times per day
>Small horns on the forehead
>Cannot reproduce

Pretty standard. Too bad about the last one. No chanse for cute tiefling daughterus.

Rolled 2, 10, 14 = 26 (3d100)

>>46132962
Rollin'

>>46129528
That fucking weapon is atrocious. What does that cock and frizzen even do? There doesn't appear to be a barrel for a black powder weapon beneath the bow. Also, no trigger.

File: Tiefling.jpg (44KB, 450x668px) Image search: [Google]

44KB, 450x668px

Answer carefully, anons.

TEE-fling or TYEF-ling?

>half demon bullshit
bad taste.

>>46120403
>>Not playing humans.
>>Playing waifu characters.
You are disgusting.

>>46135344
Tief-ling

File: 843948__safe_solo_meme_exploitable+meme_image+macro_reaction+image_lord+tirek_twilight's+kingdom_fish_bait.jpg (108KB, 960x539px) Image search: [Google]

108KB, 960x539px

>>46135344
You can do better, I believe in you.

>>46135344
Teef-ling

Rolled 75, 73, 68 = 216 (3d100)

>>46132962
rollan

>>46135398
Iz dat sum kind o' teefy grotlin'?

>>46135344
Teef-ling is the correct spelling, I believe. That's how it's usually pronounced in DnD videogames and is how the German word it's derived from is pronounced ("tief" is German for "deep", although I wonder why if they decided to give them a German-derived name they didn't call them teufelings or somehting, after the German word for the Devil).

>>46135451

In D&D, Demons and Devils are two distinct categories of beings that inhabit fairly similar ecosystems. Although, to be fair, it would be assuming a lot to think that the creators kept this in mind while naming them.

>>46135471
>he thinks tieflings aren't devilpeople just as often if not more often than demonpeople

Nice try, chump. Anon's point still stands.

>>46124973

You know that joke was old long before Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert were around, right?

Like as in their whole shtick is ripped off from Dennis Miller and Dan Akroyd, who did it much better (smarter comics), and even THEY hadn't invented it.

Stewart and Colbert do a decent if derivative job, but stop trying to cram OP into a mediocre template.

>>46135393
It's not bait, I actually don't know how to say it, because inevitably someone gets mad at your 'mispronunciation.'

File: 1769881-273px_qunari_da2.png (117KB, 273x396px) Image search: [Google]

117KB, 273x396px

I generally don't like Tieflings, much like the Drows they are mostly presented as "lol evil" or unique special snowflakes who are also mostly dickbags. Then there is the thing that it doesn't make sense that they are a separate race from humans, since any human who has been corrupted by demonic magic should look like them.

I much prefer the martial Qunari from Dragon Age, they are more alien in culture with their pseudo-Buddhist religion.

>>46135589
First: Learn to read, nigga
Second: It's pronounced tief-ling

>>46135654
They're a separate race in the same sense hlf-elves and -orcs are, ie. mostly in game terms. Half elves are what you call humans with elf blood (or elves with human blood), while tieflings are humans (or other races, but usually humans) with fiend blood. They're not really a separate race (barring 4th edition which made them the descendants of a human kingdom that had their bloodline cursed with fiendish traits), but mechanically are different enough from baseline humans that they're treated as one.

Also unlike with drow playing a non-evil tiefling isn't really particularly snoflakey, since it's not like they have a culture built around being chaotic evil assholes. They just are more often than not assholes because they got bullied as kids or whatever (and maybe the fiendish traits affect their behaviour to some degree, making them more agressive or whatever).

File: Bard 1.png (199KB, 300x400px) Image search: [Google]

199KB, 300x400px

>>46130835
A tiefling is no more disposed to evil than an aasimar is towards not being a stuck-up bitch.

Pull your head out of your ass and judge people based on their deeds and not whether their great-grandfather had horns or a halo.

>>46135774
As far as I know, half-elves have a human parent and an elf parent, tiefling have a distant as fuck demonic relative, meaning that a couple could have a tielfing child even if both parents are human.

Dunno who 4e or 5e changed this, didn't play those yet.

>>46135804
>Pull your head out of your ass and judge people based on their deeds and not whether their great-grandfather had horns or a halo.
Whole christianity is about making your pay for the sin your great-great-great-great-great...great-grandparents did.

>>46135875
And your point is?

Besides in 99% of fantasy settings, Christianity doesn't exist anyway.

>>46136070
>And your point is?
That is perfectly fine to persecute and jud you for something you didn't do

File: Fedora Bandit.png (446KB, 796x696px) Image search: [Google]

446KB, 796x696px

>>46135875
>>46136099
Busted!

>>46120403
Infernal mulattos sorta stretch the boundaries of the word "race" to breaking point'

Though in fairness I have no idea what would be a better word to use, language is funny.

Rolled 56, 49, 82 = 187 (3d100)

>>46132962
Let's see what kind of horrible mess I get.

>>46136334
Half cold damage, goat legs, and a chilling touch.

Nice, some sort of mountain demon goat man.

>>46136377
Mountain goat tiefling FROM THE NORTH

>>46136377
Ye hail from them there northern mountains do ye? I hear it's cold up there. Hear everything's cold in The North.

>>46120403
opinion or opinion?

I think that is one of my biggest issues with most DnD settings.

If a setting is so stupidly high magic that children who are born looking like god damn demons are just 'bullied' instead of being drowned at birth then its too high magic for me.

>>46135654
>racist caricature of tieflings
>accurate descriptions

Break the mold anon.

>>46136429
It's tough finding a lady when you're packing a popsicle, I tell you hwat

>>46136554
Ye should check out them animus, I hear popsicles are popular with them girls.

File: PF Halfling Tiefling.jpg (51KB, 857x853px) Image search: [Google]

51KB, 857x853px

>>46121209
You want some weirdos?

File: PF Cat Tiefling.jpg (46KB, 757x1081px) Image search: [Google]

46KB, 757x1081px

>>46136614
Like a catgirl but also with hooves.

File: 1320281898265.jpg (231KB, 615x950px) Image search: [Google]

231KB, 615x950px

>>46136654

File: 1372125590940.jpg (153KB, 600x900px) Image search: [Google]

153KB, 600x900px

>>46136674
Gramma Tief wants her smokes.

>>46136654
>Oh Baal no one told me we'd be fighting today gods save me I can't get the belt to stay stupid dress I need my special pants with beltloops I have no damn hips oh fuck I'm going to get stabbed and die looking like an idiot

File: 1372137042960.jpg (263KB, 490x907px) Image search: [Google]

263KB, 490x907px

>>46136687

File: 1373369686868.jpg (158KB, 581x1000px) Image search: [Google]

158KB, 581x1000px

>>46136698

File: 1448863101922.jpg (120KB, 706x1000px) Image search: [Google]

120KB, 706x1000px

>>46136724

File: 1420467763521.jpg (421KB, 401x889px) Image search: [Google]

421KB, 401x889px

>>46136739
One thing I like about Pathfinder is that they set up some different variations of Tieflings based on which fiend they were descended from.

File: PF Pitborn.jpg (17KB, 285x395px) Image search: [Google]

17KB, 285x395px

>>46136765
You've got your basic Demon-spawned Pitborn. This portrait's kinda bland.

File: PF Hellspawn.jpg (15KB, 285x395px) Image search: [Google]

15KB, 285x395px

>>46136784
Then the Devil-spawned Hellspawn.

File: PF Grimspawn.jpg (11KB, 285x395px) Image search: [Google]

11KB, 285x395px

>>46136803
And Daemon-spawned Grimspawn. Like some kind of diseased, half-dead creeps.

File: PF Hungerseed.jpg (16KB, 288x407px) Image search: [Google]

16KB, 288x407px

>>46136818
Oni-spawned Hungerseed. One of these guys is the main bad guy in their Jade Regent adventure path, though he's only ever pictured in full armor.

File: PF Beastbrood.jpg (17KB, 291x411px) Image search: [Google]

17KB, 291x411px

>>46136837
The Rakshasa-blooded Beastbrood stick with the standard theme of Rakshasa being animal-like people. fumblecat >>46136654 is probably one.

File: PF Spitespawn.jpg (12KB, 300x424px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 300x424px

>>46136856
Div-blooded Faultspawn are mostly petty jerks.

File: PF Faultspawn.jpg (15KB, 302x395px) Image search: [Google]

15KB, 302x395px

>>46136876
While Faultspawn are more disposed to being edgelords.

File: PF Shackleborn.jpg (12KB, 285x395px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 285x395px

>>46136889
Kyton-descended Shackleborn. The piercings help him get in touch with his roots.

>>46136876
>>46136837
>>46136803
>>46136784
These are all basically the same thing.

Christ, it's Elf variants all over again.

File: PF Foulspawn.jpg (12KB, 285x395px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 285x395px

>>46136905
Foulspawn, descended from the anti-religious Demodands, are most likely to out-edge any Faultspawn. These guys are wrong-shaped and usually raised to hate all religions. Sometimes they're too tall, or other times too fat like this many-toothed bitch.

>>46136905
kytonspawns are my favorite but thats just cuz kytons are my favorite kind of fiends cuz im a big fan of the Hellraiser movies

So basically all Tieflings in pathfinder are edgeords? God thank fuck DnD is actually reasonable in this regard.

File: PF the Motherless.jpg (17KB, 299x423px) Image search: [Google]

17KB, 299x423px

>>46136926
And finally The Motherless. They're descended from Qlippoth, which are sort of Lovecraftian monstrosities of the Abyss from before sins existed. They result less from intermingling of Qlippoth and mortals and more of curses leveled against mortals. Their name comes from the low likelihood the mother survives the birth. Look at this melting bastard!

>>46136925
Mechanically they're all "Tieflings" but you can choose to alter their racial stats slightly, like each one getting a different Spell-like ability to replace the default of Darkness.

>>46136961
you can be an edgelord and still be a good guy, just look at comic books.

File: PF Tiefling Paladin.jpg (76KB, 869x1212px) Image search: [Google]

76KB, 869x1212px

>>46136961
Only so much as Aasimar are moralfags. And the first boss in a Pathfinder AP was a CE Aasimar. Tieflings are predisposed to a certain Evil alignment, the same way, say, Elves lean towards Good, but they're not automatically going to end up there.

File: tiefling bard.jpg (139KB, 600x810px) Image search: [Google]

139KB, 600x810px

>>46135344
I usually pronounce it Tee-fling, but I'd like to get into the habit of pronouncing it Tife-ling sometime. I think it sounds a bit more exotic and demonic.

>>46135848
Nah, that's still how it works, at least in 5th edition (4th edition tieflings were different, and they still exist in 5th alongside the "classic" tieflings. An offspring of a fiend and a human is a cambion (if male) or alu-fiend (if female). A tiefling is at least two generations removed from their fiendish ancestor (so one of their parents could have been a cambion/alu-fiend), sometimes considerably more. So you can have two normal looking people and their child ends up being a tiefling because one of their great-great-great-great granparents fucked a succubus and they still have a small amount of fiendish blood that for some reason ended up "activating" and manifesting on the child.

4th edition tieflings were effectively their own race, though. They were still technically human, but were descendants of an empire that worshipped devils and due to some pact or curse all developed a devil-like appearace. Their children also have the same appearance, although I'm not sure what would happen if they have a child with a regular human. I'd presume the child ends up being a tiefling or else they'ir fiendish traits probably would've diluted out of existence since their empire collapsed a long time ago.

File: 1458337586698.jpg (220KB, 600x600px) Image search: [Google]

220KB, 600x600px

>>46135774
>They just are more often than not assholes because they got bullied as kids or whatever
Please don't bully the tiefling.

File: himehorn_do_bully.png (16KB, 307x308px) Image search: [Google]

16KB, 307x308px

>>46137417

>>46136463
They originated from Planescape whic is explicitly weird and high-magical. Sigil has portals to practically eveyr imagineable plane somewhere, and denizens of Prime Material, all the Outer Planes and more regularly come face to face with eachother. So somebody whose great-grandfather was a demon wouldn't be particularly noteworthy. Certainly not when you have an actual demon walking down the street.

I do agree that they fit less well on "normal" DnD settings, where you aren't likely to have random demons just walking around having babies with humans. 4th edition tried to solve that by making their tieflings more of a proper race, but people generally preferred the established background.

File: Shock.png (74KB, 299x272px) Image search: [Google]

74KB, 299x272px

>>46137433

>>46136463
Tieflings in 5e are straight up reviled by the common folk. Most likely only the love of a parent keeps them alive, or maybe overtly fiendish traits emerge during puberty.

>>46136926
so they're the average neckbeard fedora tipper?

File: 1449272055423.png (594KB, 704x936px) Image search: [Google]

594KB, 704x936px

>>46137955
Yeah. Their ancestor race even looks like them too.

>>46135344
Jump House

But really though if you see an e and i together, usually only probounce the one that come second.

>>46138034
This explains a lot! Thanks anon

>>46135875

I'm not Christian, none of my players are Christian, and Christianity doesn't exist in our game world. So why the hell should we care what Christianity says on the subject?

>>46136687

Wow Lindsay Lohan aged really damn fast.

>>46135875
that's a quite flawed understanding of the original sin.

File: Tip.gif (2MB, 312x250px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 312x250px

>>46138352
Quiet you, Christianity is a big dumb thing for idiots and babies who believe in magic sky dads, my superior intelligence assures me that I understand it perfectly.

>>46120403
> Satyrs.

This 'race' is too edgy for me.
Better than furry dragonborns, but damn.

Would rather let a player be a lizardman or a satyr then have them lame out as a dragonborns or trifling.

Rolled 85, 11, 55 = 151 (3d100)

>>46132962
rolling a tiefling

>>46138429
I can't tell if he's talking behind that Meme Fawkes mask or chewing.

85=+2 saving throw vs poison
11=all teeth are pointed
55=presence cause unease in animals

>>46138429
Had I known that you were an enlightened fellow, I would not have disputed your vast knowledge. I am truly sorry my fedora'd gentleman.

File: Dragonborn.jpg (154KB, 400x517px) Image search: [Google]

154KB, 400x517px

>>46138513
What's the difference between lizardman and dragonborn, other than potentially a breath weapon?

>>46138616
I think dragonborn can be affected by the whole chromatic vs. metallic deal.

>>46138677
How so?

Mechanically, depending on edition, their breath weapon is flavoured like a chromatic one (cold, poison, etc), but fluffwise AFAIK there's nothing tying them to that divide. You could have a gold-scaled dragonborn breathing fire if you wanted.

>>46136925
>basically the same thing
How do you survive being blind?

>>46134621
>I'd like to see it written.
Would you say I'm on the right track with that outline? That would be the initial story, and then there would probably be a few stories that were mostly slice of life interspersed with adventures around Sigil, and then later I could introduce the tiefling's (great?) grandmother (the succubus) as an antagonist.

The angle I was trying to build with the tiefling and painter's relationship was that she uses him as an outlet for her people-eating desires, and he finds inspiration for his artwork from the strange way she treats him (protective but also callous, degrading but also nurturing). As they fall in love he learns to appreciate the fact he can placate her urges (even if he still finds being eaten somewhat scary and gross), while she realizes that she likes protecting him from Sigil‘s many dangers with her physical strength.

Also, suggestions for ways two young not-quite-adventurers can get in trouble in Sigil would be appreciated.

>>46135344
I used to say it like tye-fling, but the correct pronunciation is tee-fling.

>>46137417
I only bully tieflings with my dick

File: Uranus.jpg (50KB, 460x333px) Image search: [Google]

50KB, 460x333px

>>46138560
Probably both

File: Christian thread.jpg (141KB, 456x757px) Image search: [Google]

141KB, 456x757px

>>46138772
Gold Dragons breathe fire, homie.

>>46138906
Sounds good. How exactly the characters met isn't something I'd consider particularly important as the main focus should be character interaction, and the plot could be anything that results in the two falling for each other. The main focus should probably be on their relationship developing (would probably take some time for the tiefling girl to accept she really loves the guy, and longer for her to be willing to admit it to him). I do like the idea of the tiefling's succubus grandmother coming in as an antagonist at some point. Maybe not outright villain, but she'd probably try to convince her granddaughter to act more like her (and also try to seduce/eat the guy). That seems like it'd result in pretty good material for plotlines.
Sigil's a great place in that pretty much any possible scenario that one can think of can be justified with it being Sigil.

>>46139436

>Faith Alone

Fucking triggered by that Sola Fide asshole.

>>46138616
Connection to dragons/draconic heritage.

File: Wyrm Talk.jpg (133KB, 598x391px) Image search: [Google]

133KB, 598x391px

>>46139436
That's what I meant, that you could build a dragonborn who was of metallic extraction, just as you can make a chromatic one.

>>46139889
>not having all lizardmen in your setting draw connections between themselves and the greatest lizards of all
>not having kobold eugenics programs to try and breed back the glorious wings Grandpa's stories assure them the race once had

File: tumblr_o25tw6QbRb1v4fvg9o1_1280.jpg (376KB, 1063x1375px) Image search: [Google]

376KB, 1063x1375px

Tieflings are awesome when they actually look demonic and monstrous, not just anime elves with tiny horns, yeah.

File: The adams family.jpg (75KB, 640x430px) Image search: [Google]

75KB, 640x430px

Personally I love half human and half demon characters in fantasy games, especially when they aren't always just 'misunderstood' and actually have dark personalities or impulses because of their heritage.

However I'm not a fan of tieflings in general because, as mirrored by opinions in this thread, they are too strange and mutant to really fit in to human society. Humans are pretty xenophobic and tribal by nature, not that there is anything wrong with that, but a baby born with horns and a tail won't be accepted.

Instead I like making people born to demons and their direct descendants more like pic related. They are totally human, but tend to be pale, have dark hair, and are a bit creepy and weird.

They also get subtle and weak magical powers, often starting as children but sometimes in puberty. Such as an imaginary friend who is actually real and can interact with the world as a weak spirit, or the ability to create false images in reflective surfaces, or the power to mimic voices or the sounds of animals so well its basically supernatural, or you can point your finger at someone and they can't take another step towards you.

This is a much more subtle and mystical alternative to random demon-mutant creatures.

File: tumblr_nlu7xx8iIm1sazby5o1_1280.jpg (290KB, 1280x1656px) Image search: [Google]

290KB, 1280x1656px

>>46140036

>>46140005
Why is her eye on top of her hair?

>>46140088
Anime logic.

Also, demonic black magic fuckery.

>>46140237
Its a space goat.

>>46139924
>not having all lizardmen in your setting draw connections between themselves and the greatest lizards of all

Nah, Lizardmen are different than dragons, with their own lizard ways. They worship dragons as a symbol of great lizard power, a method to kill off all mammalian life.

Dragons don't particularly care and are pleased to be worshipped.

>not having kobold eugenics programs to try and breed back the glorious wings Grandpa's stories assure them the race once had


As for kobolds, they're when dragon's blood or breath overcomes natural ores, mutating them into kobolds.

Eugenics are more the providence of the Yuan-ti, who breed with serpents to gain power.

>>46136739
>Beartrap neckpiece
Damn kids and their funky fashion

>>46140418
>As for kobolds, they're when dragon's blood or breath overcomes natural ores, mutating them into kobolds.

Is that supposed to be "natural ones" as in natural lizards, or does dragon blood on a chunk of raw iron actually create life? Because that latter one is rad as hell.

Tieflings and Dragonborn are one of the main reasons 3.5 > 5e. Perfect examples of ugly bloat.

>>46140602
But they were both in 3.5. Tieflings debuted as a player race in 2e.

>>46140648
Not him but in 5e they're core races or some shit, while in 3.5 they're costly to be and usually a bad idea if played properly.

>>46140602
And 2e Tieflings are one of the main reasons 2e > 3.5 Perfect examples of ugly bloat.

File: 1458108227330.png (586KB, 800x712px) Image search: [Google]

586KB, 800x712px

>>46120950
>tfw cloven feet and goat legs
>long, thick dragon like tail
>snake shaped eyes
>minotaur like horns
>mixed jagged pieces of bone sticking out of the skin

best combo

Anyone have pics of Tiefling Paladins?

>>46140602
I thought 5e handled both races pretty well.

They make it clear that Human/Dwarf/Elf/Halfling/Half-elf are the common races and Dragonborn/Tiefling/Gnome/Half-orc are somewhat rare.

>>46140521
Latter. dragon blood or breath on raw ore, like iron, makes kobolds.

>>46136856
More of this please

>>46143499
more tieflings in general please

>>46120403
neither

>>46144860
>not liking the best race

bump for tieflings

File: bd7b78634da60515f8b7bb89a42cc72a.jpg (15KB, 236x294px) Image search: [Google]

15KB, 236x294px

>playing the edge race
>not playing dead ard orcs

>>46135804
What's that image from?

Is it just me or do Tieflings get more hate than even Drow these days? In-game as well. I mean, I can kinda understand it in later editions, but most of the games from 3.x/PF era and back I've been in that include Drow the GMs totally dilute the societal backlash. If you want people to hate your character in-game you need to play a Tiefling.

Hell, I've played games where Tieflings got more hate than templated monstrosities with grafted demon parts... What the fuck is up with that?

File: 1394802086010.jpg (2MB, 1000x2999px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1000x2999px

>>46140005
>>46140088
That's a purposeful edit made to rustle jimmies. Here's the original.

File: 1426565813002.jpg (469KB, 642x1200px) Image search: [Google]

469KB, 642x1200px

Posting some tieflings.

>>46140059
I'm wrestling with this in my current campaign/setting. Something terrible happened in the past that caused a lot of tieflings to be born to otherwise normal families-not everyone's just going to kill their kids, but most will not be accepted, and because they're not a traditional nor uniform race, there's not a shared culture nor sense of camaraderie. One of the issues that's driving events is how different nations handled the unusual children.

File: 1453688559464.jpg (31KB, 215x449px) Image search: [Google]

31KB, 215x449px

2e tieflings probably are the best type of tiefling.

>>46150148
>those hips

File: 1453689675971.jpg (251KB, 845x1000px) Image search: [Google]

251KB, 845x1000px

But more modern ones are fine, too.

File: 1453688386797.jpg (51KB, 620x800px) Image search: [Google]

51KB, 620x800px

>>46150317
S I G I L

I

G

I

L

File: 1458342446351.gif (851KB, 500x272px) Image search: [Google]

851KB, 500x272px

>>46120403
>best race
>nonhuman

>>46149927

Your mspaint skills need work.

File: 1455842685993.jpg (362KB, 500x1130px) Image search: [Google]

362KB, 500x1130px

>>46143499
This might help you out.

>>46150456
Humans are pretty middle-of-the-road.

File: getagrip.gif (1MB, 360x270px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 360x270px

>>46150456
>using a nonhuman reaction image to defend the glory of humans

Disgusting

>>46136856
>>46150541
Fucking justice league, why'd Cheetah have to be in there

>>46150572
That's why they're the best. We aren't pigeonholed into a single class or role. We're the most versatile, the race of "get shit done."

>>46120403
Tieflings are humans with devil heritage
Asimar have angel heritage

What are the versions with demon, elemental and cthulhu heritage like?

>>46154229
The ones with elemental heritage are called genasi.

>>46154229
>cthulhu heritage

The Innsmouth look.

>>46120403
I've never seen a not total edgy Tiefling tho

File: Neeshka.jpg (190KB, 537x403px) Image search: [Google]

190KB, 537x403px

>>46154661
Did you not play NWN 2? Neeshka is about as far from edgy as you can get?

>>46154229
Tieflings are supposed to be people with any fiendish heritage. Pathfinder even added tiefling subraces for different fiends (demons, devils, etc.). Elemental equivalent of tieflings/aasimar is genasi.

>>46154675
No, maybe I'm traumatized by my DM and player companions, who are all the time creating edgy tiefling characters or picking Tiefling as a race just for the Charisma bonus in dnd5e.

>>46154823
Do fantasy settings have treadmill like devices?

File: 1457734659605.jpg (6MB, 3000x3000px) Image search: [Google]

6MB, 3000x3000px

>>46154661
I play a female Tiefling Warlock girl with infectious optimism. She's always dreamt of being a big hero and wasn't about to let something as small as having fiendish blood stop her.

Charlatan background with False Identify feature, expert in using disguise kit and forgery kit, casts Thaumaturge and Minor Illusion like they're going out of fashion.

She pretends to be a wizard and claim that her Book of Shadow is her spell book. Uses both physical disguise as well as magic to appear to be human. Bluffs everyone into thinking that she comes from an order of wizard called "Tower of the Eternal Flame" and claim that her EB and Hex spells are result of forbidden magical research (aka Magic Initiate feat).

Deep down though she suspect making a pact with fiend is going to come back to bite her in the ass. Until then she wants to do as much good as she can.

Our DM hasn't made the patron and pact thing come up in our campaign yet.

>>46120403
Breast race

>>46138513

>not knowing about pre-4E tieflings

Get a load of this useless piece of shit.

>>46154575
I thought Innsmouth commoners were just children of servants with no that much actual outworldish blood.

In Dominions most halfbreeds are variations of fishmen while once in a blue moon you get a starchild whose father is an actual Ayy instead of a generic lobster or salmon.

>>46140059

>I'm not a fan of tieflings in general because, as mirrored by opinions in this thread, they are too strange and mutant to really fit in to human society.

It's almost like the society tieflings were introduced in was an extra-planar, explicitly multi-species one.

But that would be crazy.

File: image.jpg (300KB, 756x1100px) Image search: [Google]

300KB, 756x1100px

>not elf boys
Get the fuck outta here with that gay shit

Do tieflings compare horn sizes?

>>46155002
It's almost like even vanilla D&D is a kitchen sink and tieflings are hardly the weirdest things for people to have to accept.

>>46154841
I always liked that character design.

File: 3c71c5d01e996fe1d4c588baec11d423-d6fzb4a.jpg (223KB, 620x877px) Image search: [Google]

223KB, 620x877px

>this whole thread
I has a rise in my Levi's. And I'm not wearing pants.

>>46155032
I know right? Even what was essentially skeletor was able to fit in my campaign after he bitch slapped another necromancer for trying to copy his style for evil purposes

>>46136463
But bat shit turning into napalm is cool with you?
Creating clones out of snow is fine...?
D&D has been too "high magic" since inception.

File: 1439566760548.jpg (369KB, 707x1000px) Image search: [Google]

369KB, 707x1000px

Rolled 35, 96, 64 = 195 (3d100)

>>46132962
Witness.

>>46155032

>have to accept
lol.
I don't let my players roll dragonborns either.

Rolled 87, 33, 19 = 139 (3d100)

>>46155096
>95-00: Roll three times
Witness some more.

Tieflings are bad. Aasimars are bad. Half elves are bad. All half races suck and are an excuse to play special snowflakes and unsufferable mary sues.

>>46155123
>YOU ARE HAVING FUN WRONG!

Thanks fun police.

File: 1445910756936.jpg (178KB, 737x900px) Image search: [Google]

178KB, 737x900px

>>46155115
>Misdirection once per day
>Red tinted skin, six fingers, red eyes
>Presence causes unease in NPCs, -4 reaction

Welp, that's standard as all fuck.

>>46155104
>if it's not Tolkien, it's shit
Go on, tell us about your amazing setting anon...

>>46155104
Maybe I wasn't clear. People within the vanilla settings, anon.

>>46155159

I never said either of those.
Why are you so mad?
Is developing an interesting character without the help of super-special unique lore or physical attributes that hard for you?

>>46155170
Don't interrupted him, he's fapping to LotR...

>>46155171
Is it so hard to believe someone can do both?

>>46155171
>I don't use Tieflings or Dragonborn and get my panty in a knot whenever someone mentions they are far from the most bizarre shit in standard D&D for the past decade.
Why are you so mad?

>>46155170

Nah, man. It's a question of taste.
Weird is one thing, but there is literally no case where half-anything-that-isn't-humanoid is something more than magical realming. Everything is either rape-babies or forbidden love.

It's the easy way out of making a character with, you know, actual character.

>>46155189
see
>>46155200

>>46155200
>miscegenation is magical realm
How the fuck are you posting on 4chan from the 50s?

>>46155200
That has nothing to do with whether or not tieflings are the weirdest things a person encounters in vanilla D&D.

File: tiefling_male_04.jpg (130KB, 900x1277px) Image search: [Google]

130KB, 900x1277px

Those poor people, they actually think they're having fun

My feet hurt

>>46155187

Yes.
State the case for a single interesting half-whatever that would be just as interesting without the questionable lineage.

File: tiefling_female_10.jpg (123KB, 707x987px) Image search: [Google]

123KB, 707x987px

>you will never hug her and let her know she's found a friend

>>46155216

I wasn't making the case that they were the weirdest.
I'm just saying that weirder doesn't necessarily mean harder to accept.

>>46155200
>>46155208
Okay same fags, just because you cannot imagine diverse people willfully knocking boots doesn't mean it's literally always rape or forbidden love.
That shit hasn't been the norm for decades.
I read War of the Lance as well, and while it was pretty good when I was 13, the rampant xenophobia presented was valid only on Ansalon and only because of the shitastic back story of that world.

>>46155211

Miscegenation isn't the same thing as interspecies, anon.

>>46155255
that's a 2hu

>>46155239

Except dragons are literally non-humanoids that can take the form of a "person", and demons are extraplanar.

Neither of them fit the remotest fucking bill for "person".
It's all interspecies fantasizing.
On an unrelated note, what the hell is War of the Lance?

>>46155246
We are talking about inter-racial, anon.
Remember, Half-anything.
Half-elves and Half-orc.
Elves, Orcs, you know, what D&D calls races...
And as they produce viable offspring, pushes them to far beyound a single Humanoid taxonomical species is just a thinly veiled attempt to hide your disgust that someone may not find different eye or ear shapes abhorrent.

>>46155263
You think very strongly about this, anon.

>>46155263
But Dragonborn aren't Half-dragons m8.

Also, what is required for you to consider a creature a person?
Humanoid and sapient, what else?

>>46155274
>>46155273

Hardly.
It's simple logic as to why dragonborn and tieflings are bullshit. Half-orcs and half-elves or even the rare elf-dwarf aren't as far conceived as a lady fucking something from an entirely different genus and bearing it a child.

There would literally be no difference between a dragonborn and some horrifying Mr. Ed abortion dying in the hay of some Tennessee barn.

Darn, that's it then

>Half-orcs and half-elves or even the rare elf-dwarf aren't as far conceived as a lady fucking something from an entirely different genus and bearing it a child

Why not? Having sex with human is modus operandi for succubus and incubus and they're very good at making you wanting to have sex with them.

>>46155263
>what the hell is War of the Lance?
Maybe you know it better as the Dragonlance novel series, specifically the original and Legends trilogies.

>>46155306
>There would literally be no difference between a dragonborn and some horrifying Mr. Ed abortion dying in the hay of some Tennessee barn.

The difference is that the dragon born's father/mother is not a horse, it's a flying magic murder lizard.

>>46155306
Dragon-born aren't the result of human/Dragon coupling.
If literacy were a strength of yours, you would know that.
Also, as polymorph abilities change the biology of the creature they are used on, any dragon-shapechanged couples with human would be a human, perhaps with magical metagenetics. You know, the Sorceror Class.
Which I'm certain you forbid as well, for the same reasons you loathe all other impacted lineages, right?

>>46155306
>>46155333
Interestingly, the explanation for why there are half-demons but not half-devils in 2e's Faces of Evil is that the devils (Lawful) have a set internal structure that is biologically incompatible with regular mortals, while the demons (Chaotic) have no set internal structure, and their being can happily adapt to whatever it needs to in order to conceive.

>>46155345

Nah, senpai, sorceror is fine because there is literally zero genetic deviation from the race that they hail from. And there literally has to be zero reason that sex has to be a predominant cause for the case of magic springing up, even in draconic lineages.

Also, I concede the point on dragonborns.
It's just that the two have been so interchangeably used that I forget to make the distinction myself.

>>46155345
>Also, as polymorph abilities change the biology of the creature they are used on, any dragon-shapechanged couples with human would be a human, perhaps with magical metagenetics. You know, the Sorceror Class.
Back in 2e this produced half-dragons, which were completely normal humanoids until puberty, at which point they turn into proper half-dragons.

>>46155358

i.e.
>rapebabies

>>46155370
Sorceror is literally 100% internet magical genetics.
It's in the same books that discuss races, such as Dragonborn. I'll wait while you go read.
Let me know when you finish the Dragon-bloodline Sorc.

>>46155396
>All inter-racial coupling is rape.

>>46155398
Integral Magical Genetics, apologies.

>>46155396
By that definition all half races are rapebabies.

In fact by that definition all real life halfies are rapebabies, since their parents are from difference races and shock horror somehow they really wanted to do each other.

>>46155417
I think we're being baited by the Emprah's henchmen.

>>46155398

>innate magic comes from draconic magic that was mingled with your blood or that of your ancestors

oh no!

>most often, sorcerers with this origin trace their descent back to a mighty sorcerer of ancient times who made a bargain with a dragon

wait, this doesn't imply any sex whatsoever...

>or who might even have claimed a dragon parent

and there's the actual sexplanation, separate and secondary to the magical pact scenario.

Also,
>any given sorcerer could be the first of a new bloodline, as a result of a pact or some other exceptional circumstance

Fuck off with your forced fetishism.

>>46155403
>implying that it was consensual

>>46120403
Even so it isn't top notch fantasy, I really like the Brimstone Angels

>>46155396
Its not rape if you consent.

>>46155378
Which is curious, as only outsiders had anything similar to that. Possibly Fae critters, I honestly don't recall.
Then again effective management of types and subtypes was still far in the future in the TSR days...
Well, it's still in the future as WotC (or Paizo if you prefer) has all of the grasp of taxonomical biology that one would expect at a screening of Birth of a Nation.

>>46155417

That's a false comparison, m8.
CE is not the alignment for forbidden lovaru or even deal-making.
It's rape-babies day in and day out.

Half-elves and half-orcs don't even follow the same logic. Mortal races are much less separated from each other and a relationship between them is as difficult to imagine as a white-black coupling in the real world.

>the demons (Chaotic) have no set internal structure, and their being can happily adapt to whatever it needs to in order to conceive

There is literally only one way that CE demon would get his/her hands on a person, and that's probably with a duplicitous plot or straight up rape, short of the mortal being psychotic enough to invite it on themselves.

>>46155429
>Quotes a sexplanation which has been present in the past 3 editions of D&D
>accuses anon, rather than WotC of forced fetishism
When I find them, you shall have 40 of the toppest keks.

>>46155464
>a white-black coupling in the real world.

so, rape?

>>46155433
>implying it wan't

>>46155455
It's because TSR knew that dragons are at least 50% magic, so they can bullshit whatever they like because dragon magic.

>>46155464
>CE is not the alignment for forbidden lovaru or even deal-making.
Wait what? Are you trying to say CE is incapable of love now?

>>46155464
But tieflings are not the children of a demon human pair its their grandchildren and farther down.

>>46155464
You've got a very narrow view of what a CE character can do.

>>46155501

That's literally moving the goalpost.
>My mom didn't fuck a demon!
>My great-grandfather did!

>>46155464
Crack whores may be Chaotic Evil.
Also, when Seduction is explicitly mentioned, it tends to more than imply that Seduction occurs.
Mind you, D&D has bizarre concepts of what is evil or not.
Mind control powers being something I think should be fairly obvious that one cannot give informed consent while charmed, compulsed, dominated, ect...
Then again, is it rape if something shape changes into one's idea of desirability to get sack time?