/swg/: I Need An Adult Edition

>>46094373
What is that picture from? Children's book?

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>>46094408
Star Wars Rebels.

Criminally under rated. We don't deserve a quality Star Wars show like this.

>>46094453
Filoni, is that you?

>>46094453
>cgi garbage kids show

>>46094771
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>>46094453
I know the characters are from Rebels; I meant "where did that specific image come from".

>>46095544
It was made as a reaction image a while back, and I didn't have anything else star wars on my phone

>>46095076

its actually good

Rebels is shit and you're a child if you think otherwise

>>46096924
>>46095076
On the other hand, it's great.

>>46097022
>Shit animation
>Every villain is extremely incompetent
>LE SASSY R2-D2 XD
>Spinsabers
>No arcs

Its shit, fanboy.

>>46095544
>>46096603
As the guy who actually made that, it always surprises me that this picture still gets used.

It's like, "Oh, hey, that's still a thing. That's pretty neat. Go me!"

>>46096924
Are you calling your ancestors children?

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Great start guys

Here's something I need help with:
What are some less conventional places a group of rebels could hide a base of operations?

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>>46097101
How are you able to be so wrong? What a feat.

>>46097156
The Yawst system is a pretty good place to set up or so I've heard.

>>46097101
>>Shit animation
>>Every villain is extremely incompetent
Except Vader, Tarkin, and the grand inquisitor
>>LE SASSY R2-D2 XD
Chopper is actually really cool, especially now that we know his backstory. Also he is more cantankerous than sassy in my opinion.
>>Spinsabers
Thats pretty imperial MO. Like, hell, the walkers are built retardedly to be scary looking and stuff. even if legs give is extra vulnerabilities, the empire is dead set and have weapons that confuse and frighten people.
>>No arcs
Literally, there are nothing but arcs. Everything comes together, so you can skip episodes (like all the filler in TCW)

>>46097156
Underwater. They have literally landed an old Dreadnaught in a planet's ocean and steered it under an icecap to hide it from orbital surveillance. If caught, they will stand the ship on it's ass, turbolaser through the icecap and boost out

>>46097268
I sure bet sealing a craft against water would be "fun."

FFG is having a vote to determine which ships will be mandatory in upcoming X-wing tournaments.
What're the shittiest ships for each faction?

>>46094453
I live in fear that my firstborn at this point will be called Ashoka

>>46097156
How many rebels in terms of numbers?

>>46097370
Defender
Rebel HWK
Star Viper

>>46097372
>How many rebels in terms of numbers?
20 to 80

Enough to crew a ship

>>46097370
Definitely not the shittiest, but it'd be great if we could get the Agressor to win, forcing all scum to play Brobots.

>>46097370
I voted punisher because I want to see one. But the imperial firespray is easily the worst ship for the empire in a post guidance chips world.

Rebels HWKs are easily the hardest to use.

Scyks by far. At least the named starvipers are kind of neat.

>>46097393
Is the defender still shit even after the new titles coming in with vets?

Or are we going to need a actual ace from the new pilots before we ever see them?

>>46097322
If it's sealed against space, it's sealed against water

>>46097438
Old CIS underground mining facilities are a good choice, the Outer Rim Sieges left a lot of places like that abandoned at a moments notice when the republic went crashing in

>>46097156
the local ISB HQ

>acquire false ISB Ids and clothing
>forge paperwork that says the local ISB staff is rotated out in favor of a new and more experienced crew
>don clothing and ID
>walk in bold as brass
>be helpful in helping the old crew pack up, apologize for the inconvenience and all that
>file the occatioanl report off to ISB main HQ with good, but just out of date, intel
>act as ISB outwards but use cover to made important imperials sweat and make other rebels' work easier

>>46097582
...But that's wrong, space ships may be air tight but they don't have to deal with the extreme atmospheric pressures of underwater craft.

>>46097250
>grand inquistor
>killed by an ex-padawan with a pony tail and his apprentice, Aladdin and Jace's butt baby
>Not incompetent

Sure he's the best. His students are really living up to his example too.

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>>46097719
Some of the Mon-Cal ships could go underwater, could be an option for them.

Otherwise go full low-tech, Vietcong Tunnel style in a jungle somewhere, popping out of nowhere to go overthrow the government!

>>46097565
Ok, not the worst after we get G-chip and the new titles with it, but def one that not many of them will have a whole bunch of experience flying, and I would like to see what they make of it.

>>46097438
In a fic I have, there is a shadowport made out of an old Cis Lucrehulk all painted black and rigged all up and down with sensor jammers and the likes. When trouble comes knocking, the whole port jumps.

>>46097700
this sounds like an episode of Hogan's heroes.

>>46097743
Ashoka dueled Grevious to a standstill, twice. i guess he was a cuck then too.

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>>46097743
>mfw inquisitors

>>46097743
>that one anon who really, really wants everyone else to agree with his incorrect opinion

Sorry friend, you're a minority.

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>>46097819
TCW Grievous was pretty shitty compared to Tartakovsky's version.

>>46097819
Pretty much, yeah. Good example!

>>46097156
I honestly don't know what is a conventional place, so i'll list all of them
>abandoned warehouse
>abandoned industrial area
>hidden inside a shipyard
>one of the dozens of abandoned platforms on bespin besides cloud city
>An Imperial Star Destroyer. The rebels are a group of imperials planning on defecting.
>A cafe in france run by Rene
>The Imperial Palace

>>46097873
I see that your personal interpretation of the character ignores the movie he was made for.

>>46097829
>thinks he's arguing with one person

Hey it has its moments but Rebels is basically the Star Wars equivalent of krokodil

>>46097819
EVERYONE dueled Grievous to a standstill or outright beat him except te shittiest Jedi. They guy was a pushover.

>>46097743
It is interesting how the new eu reuses words for concepts from the old, then makes them just flat out wrong/different/incompetent to the point you think, maybe they should just go with their own names.

>>46097933
Who is a good star wars villain in you're opinion?

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>>46097929
Maybe, but it was better than the Prequels and at least we had 'some' star wars to tide us over

>>46097953
Star Wars villains, like everything in the setting, serves the narrative. They're as competent as the story demands, and at that point Kanan had a lot of battles with the Grand Inky. On top of that, you had Kana thinking Ezra had fallen to his death. So he was able to finally defeat him.

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>>46097912
>ignores the movie he was made for
Did you not watch the show? It explains why Grievous is such a pansy in RotS pretty fucking clearly. Mace kicked his ass and crushed his ribcage. Tartakovsky Clone Wars also aired a year before RotS.

Behind the scenes, George's initial reason was that he just thought it would be funny to add a cough to Grievous' lines during filming.

>>46098044
But TCW was a higher canon level than Genndywars and he had the cough there.

>>46098044
:^) non-canon

>>46097780
I always wondered how well the Vietcong would do in the modern age with seismography and computer mapping.

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>>46097982
I don't know, none come to mind.

just a question I wanted to throw out there, for FFG SW RPG, if I wanted to stat-out a nuclear warhead, like say, if some twit tried to launch a tactical nuke at a Star Destroyer, what would be a good, even if somewhat vaguely, accurate stat-line to give it?

Here's a question. Jedi force meditations, can they replace the need for sleep?

>>46098067
>>46098078
Nobody ever mentioned canon. All I'm saying is that TCW Grievous is a pretty big letdown after how cool Genndy Grievous was.

>>46097719
Considering the stress involved in flying capital ships in-atmo, I'm not sure that the pressure of underwater ops would be too much for them. Plus shields, which are the X-factor

>>46097250
Kill yourself, Filoni fanboy trash.

>>46097982
I'm not saying Grievous was a BAD villain. He was a mustache twirler, the show made you hate him.

That said, the best villains are supreme manipulators like Sheev, Kreia, or Thrawn. The second best are tragic figures-like Kylo Ren and Vader.

>>46098100
I sense a strong tinge of sarcasm in your statement.

>>46098078
It's funny too because Genndy invented the character.

>>46098113
Gm handwave dmg 10/10.

>>46098113
It'd totally blow up an unshielded target but it'd do sweet fuck all to a shielded capital ship

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>>46098084
We've got a lot of IR stuff that sees through vegetation extremely well, ground penetrating radar from planes is also quite high definition as well. They did some mapping of Cambodian ruins a few years ago which showed up parts of Angkor Wat no one even knew existed as it was barely even visible on the ground standing next to it.

That said, the US army had some pretty rad technology at the time, ranging from people sniffers to sensor nets along the ground which picked up sound, vibrations, IR and so on.

>>46098123
I don't think your really understand how much heavier water is than air and how not all ship even in-universe can make atmospheric flight without falling to pieces.

I could see small hybrid ships doing it and I could even see capital ships floating on the surface but submerging is straight out for any ship bigger than a modified light freighter.

>>46097785
oh man luchrehulks are the coolest

>>46097719
>.But that's wrong, space ships may be air tight but they don't have to deal with the extreme atmospheric pressures of underwater craft.
yeah... when it comes to handling pressure I always figured a spaceship would generally be designed to handle between 0, and 1...

>>46098246
Well, aside from Mon Cal ships that are explicitly able to do that. Also, IIRC there was a thing in some clone wars thing where the CIS hid capital ships underwater, so there's precedent there

>>46098246
Mon Calamari ships probably can.

>>46098320
Futurama did that exact joke.

>>46098356
Kinda my point...

>>46098246
>>46098347

These are ships designed to take hits from massive energy weapons and not explode either too, so there's definitely some structural reinforcement vs external forces there. Even so, I wouldn't call any ship which doesn't explicitly say it's submersible to so many meters (I/e, many Mon Cal ships) to be able to do more than go deep enough that it's actually under water, or anything.

>>46098320
>>46098412
I would also think that they'd be built for high pressures; we see ships being flown in gas giants, where they'd be under shittons of pressure doing that

>>46098412
By that logic tanks can submerge because they are well armored.

Pressure is constant and more plating is never the answer to help it withstand more because surface area is the actual killer.

Also gravitational force =/= pressure so unless they actually landed on the surface of that gas giant, it doesn't mean much.

>>46097393

Nah

>Punisher
>X-Wing
>StarViper

Is what I'm going for.

>/swg/: Submersible WarShips General

>>46097826
Literally though.

The lore has always gone that Vader and Sheev made the Inquisitors to be shit knockoff sith with barely any skill to be used entirely for scare tactics, to keep the legend of the sith present in the minds across the galaxy when there were only actually two, and to look for any surviving Jedi so Vader and Sheev could peace out to keep the damn empire running coherently (mainly by pacifiying and subjugating entire planets).

Inquisitors have a rough understanding of the force, maybe a power or two, a shitty lightsaber designed to scare rebels and some reasonable academic training in Jedi techniques and practices so they could root them out and recognize them.

>>46100493
This.
They're not even as good as the Hands for fuck's sake.
With the exception of the occasional ex-Jedi turned Inquisitor like Jerec.

>>46100493
>The lore has always gone
This is blatantly untrue. Jerec's 7, who I believe were the first example of the Inquisition, were skilled, at least on par with your average Jedi. It's only in nucanon that they're Jedi mine canaries.

>>46097370
Make it the VCX-100 for Rebels AND JumpMaster-5000 for scum so everyone has to rush out, buy, and learn ships that by design become the focal point of the list.
And then Imperial has to take Firespray-31 because it's underwhelming.

>>46100958
>HappyMerchant.jpg

>>46100878
>who I believe were the first example of the Inquisition
Nope, they were an old WEG concept before that. They were originally meant to be on par with early-midgame Jedi PCs (that is to say, not very good), with higher ranking inquisitors and other dark Jedi (like team Jeric) taking over at the high end

>>46101008
Ah, fair enough. Fingers crossed for a competent Inquisitor to replace Inky next season.

Is there a way to find which stores are using the Spring or Summer (not Regional) tournament kits?

>>46101596
Not specifically, but I think your bet best is contacting individual stores if they have social media

>>46101688
The one closest to me is having a tournament tomorrow. My work schedule makes it so I can't compete, but I'll see if they're using the Spring one and see if I can get them to order the Summer one.

>>46095076
That's why I couldn't watch it. I watched the Clone Wars series up through season 6, and then Rebels was hideous. So I stopped.

>>46100220
I second this. I know the punisher has so many upgrades jammed into its bar that there's literally no more room left, but not having an EPT on our 2 named pilots really hurts sometimes. Deadeye on Redline would be gorgeous.

>>46101973
Y-wings, Hobbie, and Biggs feel your pain.

Anymore cool stuff out of Nexus of Power?

I saw pictures of like weapons, and my FS player in my AoR game is real happy about the idea of the Training Stick.

question about Xwing from someone who knows nothing about it other than lists people post here why is it always twin laser turrets and not ion turrets?

>>46102193
I love the training stick. My 64 year old Ryn Consular hobo is going to use the shit out of that thing

>>46102422
TLT lets you attack twice.

>>46102422
TLT's are exceedingly efficient. They strip tokens from ships, leaving them defenseless, they don't really care about range or arc, they reliably put at least 1 damage on a ship a turn. 2 if the agility is 2 or less.

Plus many effects stack on the multiple attacks of TLT's.

>>46101973
Redline does not need deadeye

>>46102422
the greater consistency and range is a huge improvement over the ion canon.

The damage output of the TLT is greater than a 3 die primary weapon with full modifiers in many cases

What kind of Star Wars team is optimal in:
-West End Games
-Saga Edition
-Fantasy Flight

>>46103372
Realistically, at least in the FFG system, your group should really only be going into jobs that their group IS built for... So if your group consists of 4 politicos, it's doubtful they'll take bounty hunter jobs.

Unless of course they want to charm their way into convincing bounties to come peacefully.

Everyone should be able to do whatever they want, as far as I've seen.

>>46103543
I think the question is more of a "if you were going into a session blind, what would you want your party to be like?"

A good GM should tailor to the party, but not everyone is a good GM

>>46103372
Depends what people want to play and the GM wants to run.
Somewhere, there's a compromise.
If you're running something that's a mad minute every minute of the session there's not a lot of point playing an scholars and politicos, but a team of militant-types does just fine.

As a generic group for FFG, I've found-
>Social
>Medical
>Survival
>Technical
>Piloting
>Fighting
Sort of covers most of the skills challenges I can potentially think up, combining them so everyone gets their time in the spotlight in every session is sometimes difficult but something I strive to do. It is a system though I've found happier PC's in that have diverse skillsets, rather than ultra-specialists as they can handle a lot more potential problems and get involved in events with a better chance of succeeding. Well, that and I'm liable to punch you in the dump stats until you cough up a testicle.

>>46103372
>>46103634
This entirely depends: are you a dick or not?

>>46103920
That's a trick question. Everyone is a dick.

>>46098140
>Kreia
>villain

Apathetic man detected.

>>46103634
Meh? As long as you have at least one dedicated combat character and everyone is aware of their own capabilities, you should be okay.

My group is clearing out a gang base with only one dedicated combat character.. The group includes a G2 Goose droid with 11 wounds and a soak of 2. A mechanic with a hold out pistol, not sure he's made a ranged attack role once... But he has tried to punch plenty unsuspecting thugs.

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>>46097582
nooooope

>>46104714
I think bullets would do that as well if you put them at the depth that subs can go down, not just space.

>>46094373
Is the FFG EotE Bounty Hunter book out yet?

>>46105329

Nope, it'll literally be the last one. The Technician book looks pretty sweet, though.

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>reading an actually interesting star wars fic with General Grievous
>the plot is actually getting interesting
>the author announces that he's going to make it a obi-wan/Grievous slashfic in later chapters
Goddamnit
I might have to send this one in for the pain train, depending on where it goes from here

>>46094453
Once again, how are the prequel cartoons so awesome yet the prequal movies shit stains?

On a related note FFG, when will tey give su some prequal ships for xwing?

Why is the 3rd wave of Armada so shit? It's two dinky little "flotillas" and thats it. Nothing else. They couldn't do anything else? No winged Mc80 even? fugg FFG why?

>>46107139
Because George recognized his mistake in the lead up to doing TCW.
See, George Lucas is a man who is largely aware of some of his own failings. He sucks at dialogue, and is a mediocre to bad director of ACTORS (he's an AMAZING director of objects and cameras though, the prequels sucked, but they had GORGEOUS cinematography). He tried to take a go at doing the prequels on his own when Kasdan turned down the invite to help him out (Kasdan was working on Dreamcatcher at the time, if memory serves he actually encouraged George to go forward without him), and it blew up in his face.
TCW was in many ways his apology to the fans for screwing it up, and to make that stick, he let OTHER PEOPLE do most of the writing, while he was onboard as a big picture guy (which is where he's at his best).

>>46107271
rumor mill says there will be two more announced since the flotillas skip two numbers in the product serials

>>46107139
Probably won't see prequel ships any time soon. Disney wants people to have the OT and the nu-canon on their mind to promote their new stuff

>>46106707
More pain train is always appreciated

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So does anyone else around here play Armada? I see lots of X-Wing discussion but hardly see Armada mentioned.

>>46107660
problem is, it hasn't gone that way yet. right now it's still decent, it just has potential to get pain train worthy
I've got plenty of other stuff for quest, though...

>>46107755
It's an acquired taste really...

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>>46107799
I can understand that. I've played a few games and enjoyed it, I just wanted to hear from others what they thought.

>>46107907
While this can be applied to any table top strategy game and FFG isn't near as bad as others I would be much more willing to play if the prices of each unit wasn't dependent on the value of the piece in the game. I was looking at prices today and $40 for what is essentially a piece of plastic and some cardboard seems steep.

>>46094453

>Kanan putting the moves on Hera

>>46107139

Because while the Prequels absolutely screwed the pooch on story they did some great worldbuilding.

>>46108511
Is it really "putting the moves on" her if they're basically married already?

>>46108545
Well, they're about to get busy in a movie theater...

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>>46108438
True. I know it's a cheap shot to say "At least it's not Games Workshop," but at least it's not Games Workshop.
40 bucks is about the right price for something like the Imperial Star Destroyer. While that is much for a hunk of plastic, at least it has the decency to be an 8-inch long hunk of plastic with fairly nice detailing.
I've been at these tabletop hobbies so long that the couple hundred bucks needed to field a sizable fleet really doesn't sound too bad to me.
Especially not when compared to Jews Workshop.

You guys think we will ever see a Star Wars Armada game like we got a Battlefleet Gothic Armada?

Has anyone found a decent role for the G-1A in their lists yet? It's too slow to alpha strike, too ungainly to ace hunt, not well equipped enough to act as a gunboat or missile platform, and too clumsy to act as a medium base escorter. I'm really struggling to find a use for it in my lists.

>>46108683
Vidya?
Sure. It was called Empire At War.

>>46108683
Nope. Not with EA owning the monopoly on Star Wars Games at the moment.

Of course, there are plenty of Empire at War mods that might be able to serve the same function.

>>46108683
>Battlefleet Gothic Armada?
Semi-curious about that one, any good?

>>46107907
My thoughts:

-dull movement
-limited ship to ship interaction
-little list/model variety
-limited faction growth
-manditory upgrades
-squadron restrictions
-two to three dead turns of movement
-turn limit too short (relates to the last problem)
-overly volatile combat

...it's good for the first few engagements you play but gets old fast and doesn't have the depth to keep it running. Also god help you if you if anybody net lists because the game basically plays itself and the seal clubbing is real. If x wing is rock paper scissors then aramada is "who has the gun?"

>>46108717
It's not out yet.
Here's a preview from Angry Joe from inside the developer's studio. Say what you want about his review or his Peeved Pedro persona, he does get good looks at upcoming games.
Also, the developers seem like massive 40k fanboys. So that does seem like at least one positive for it. Maybe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw5V2O7jQJU

>>46108699
This. But as far as more recent I doubt it. Ea is gonna play for the most popular genres so expect many FPS battlefront sequels and open world "RPGs"

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>>46108740
Yeah I've seen that review and it got me curious.
Angry Joe's a bit of a dick, but he's generally 'honest' enough to call it how he sees it, agreeing with him, another matter altogether :)

>>46107755
The game has serious problems with its meta and FFG seriously isn't helping with bullshit like a two ship wave of fucking transports.

Right now the game is in that early Xwing zone where the Rebels have a single grossly overpowered build they're forced to take because everything else they have is dogshit.

If you're a Rebel, you pretty much have to take Ackbar if you don't want to be forced to play to objectives. Every other Rebel commander is way too gimmicky and edge case to be useful.

Thanks to Rebels, Interdictors, Aquitens cruisers, Peltast frigates, Hammerhead corvettes, and Quasar Fire carriers are all canon, but Wave 3 solely consists of the Gozanti and the Rebel Transport.

On top of that, the game is even more expensive than X-wing, so expect any new players to be priced out of the game once April 1st puts an end to online discounts.

>>46108742
Of course. EA is just going to recycle the same garbage that college-age dudebros throw money at them for.
God forbid they actually take a chance on a genre that caters to people other than hyperactive manchildren. They need to make a game or two for the mellowed out, strategically-minded manchild once in a while.

>>46108623
It feels far more Jewish when you're playing Rebels and your Home One is actually smaller than the Victory Star Destroyer model yet costs more.

>>46108803
Yeah, they scaled it to the winged Mon Calamari Cruiser length of 1200 meters rather than Home One's length in the movie, 3900 meters.

>>46108545
This.

When you've been together for that long you don't 'put moves' on each other, you just turn to her and say: "Wanna fuck in this theatre?" and she smiles at you, a tired, weary smile. A smile that isn't as bright as it was when you met her. A smile that peters out at the edges, that never quite makes it up to her eyes, that seems harder and harder to draw out these days. It's a smile that makes you think of her in high school, so in love with Brad that she used to scream like a groupie at a Def Leppard concert when his covert screamed past, and yeah, she knew your name, but that was about it, and the only reason she ever got dumped was Brad's horror at finding his name tattooed to her left wrist three weeks before senior skip day. The tattoo is still there, but now it reads 'Brave' and there's a butterfly behind it. The smile's already fading when she answers and it's not even an answer, just a vaguely bored, vaguely indulgent "Why not?" Like she doesn't want to, but can't think of a way out of it that won't hurt your feelings. She tries to look naughty and says: "From behind?" And you grin. You grin. But you know the only reason she wants it that way is so she won't have to look at your face, but that's fine. That's okay. That's married life.

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>>46108829

>>46108829
>>/r9k/

>>46108882
It's ok anon, you'll do it properly next time.

>>46108829
>That's married life.
No, that's pre-divorce life

>>46108777
The way the Wave 3 ships are numbered suggests two more ships(or flotillas) are yet to be announced.

Any word on a Places of Power scan?

>>46109292
There's a few scans in the last thread of a couple of pages.
Otherwise, not much else around at the moment

>>46099126
>unless they actually landed on the surface of that gas giant

you having a giggle, m8?

I titled my really shitty essay on politics "From a Certain Point of View"

I fucking hate this assignment and don't give a shit at this point.

>>46109524
have another drink

>>46103236
The fuck was I thinking, thank you. There is always something useful, though.

Even daredevil to chase down a fleeing foe you were targeting. Something.

>>46109363
Appreciate the info, anon.

>>46108803
Both expansions are $40. Which is actually a steal for Rebels because it has far better upgrades than the Victory expansion does. I've made do just fine with two core-set Victory SDs and have no real incentive to get the Victory expansion, barring Motti.

>>46108777
One guy in my local meta has pretty much taken nothing but Mothma spam for months now. He pretty much always wins too.

Also, seriously, getting a comprehensive collection going with X-wing now is damn more expensive than Armada is. There's 40 damn expansions for X-wing, some of which are always going to be out of print and so hard to find. You get way more game value out of a $50 ISD expansion than a $40 Hound's Tooth.

>>46108734
As a serious X-wing player I really like the more strategic approach to Armada. Turns of "dead movement" are damn important to whether you win the game or not. The limited number of turns you get is necessary to making sure games don't take 4 hours. This is a game designed for tournament play. You have to pick some aspect of your opponents fleet and decide to kill it, while mostly ignoring everything else. Besides if you want combat quick just use Fleet Ambush. Usually ends the game on turn 3.

I've got my own problems with it. Most of them related to squadrons. Given the way they design stuff, the criticisms from Wave 1 aren't even going to get into the game until Wave 4. That said flying an ISD around at speed 3 blowing up ships is the most fun I've ever had with an miniatures game.

On the whole I think it's a very solid game that desperately needs its next 2-3 waves now. So yeah, the lethargic release schedule is not doing it any favors. That said, the ships for Armada have got to be harder to get right for production compared to X-wing.

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Soontir Fel is too fucking good not to deploy in X-Wing. Out of 4 games I played tonight against by Scum running comrade, 3 of them were my squad dying and doing fuck all in the process while Fel cleaned out the board by himself. And I don't even have Autothrusters or Stealth device yet.

The best moment I've had in this game so far was with Fel down to 1 hull and an IG-88-B down to 3 against the corner of the board, I -had- to kill him with my next attack or else he would Feedback Array me to death no matter what maneuver I chose. So I put him into point blank range, rolled 3 hits and a critical, IG evaded two of them, but the crit was a Direct Hit.

Discord jackass here once more to shamelessly promote a channel that's set up for all kinds of Star Wars nonsense. USe it or don't, whatever works best. Link here >https://discord.gg/0rRMo7j6WJpqRhqd

>>46098320
>>46098356
>>46098398
Didn't mention atmospheres of pressure, just the number of atmospheres, making the quote extraordinarily obvious.

>>46110318
You talking about the Futurama reference?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4RLOo6bchU

>>46110147
>Soontir Fel is too fucking good not to deploy in X-Wing
To many PS10 and 11s out there right now for the good Baron.

>>46104245
Kreia is absolutely the villain. Just because a lot of her philosophies are interesting doesent mean that she isn't a) a lying, manipulative witch serving her own ends and b) determined to caused a holocaust of, at minimum, every force user in the galaxy. Great villains are defined by having pure ideals and noble goals taken too far. Kreia is absolutely in that mold.

>>46110586
Considering his whole thang is not being in people's arcs I'm okay with that. And Darth Vader is part of my superfriends squad

>>46108948
Which 8/10 times is the same thing, just with the labels scrubbed off.

>>46108691
4x G1-A with FCS

Thinking of going to my first X-wing tournament in a few weeks. Nothing big, just a small unofficial local one.

I've been playing around with a Soontiir, Phennir & Echo list but i fear my list will be taken apart by the ever-present TLT menace.

Anything i can do to make this list better?
http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!28:18:5:15:M.1;78:27,36,-1:-1:9:;27:27:-1:15:&sn=InPhIn-ite%20fun

Just finished the first X-wing book. It was pretty good, but I'm itching to read Heir to the Empire as well.

Should I continue on to X-Wing book 2 or jump over to Heir? I'm pretty conflicted

>>46111129
Both are good but I would stick with the X-Wing books just to make keeping the characters in memory easier, and even when they intersect with other books they're self-contained enough not to be bothered by it. I'd say the only one that's a bummer is needing to read Courtship of Princess Leia to properly finish the Szinj arc, which is a bummer because that book isn't nearly the same quality as any of the X-Wing books and it's a real slog.

>>46111177
>not liking Courtship of Princess Leia
>not liking Fantasy tropes in SPAAACE
>not liking Space Fabio
>not liking Han Solo at his most desperate hour

How could you not like it? OK it's dangerously cheesy but it's the right kind of cheesy.

Oh hey, just in time.


I just got done with a marathon sprint of KOTOR II. Got The Sith Lords Content Restoration Mod, of course.


I tried to play a grey jedi. Unfortunately, it seemed like there really wasn't much designed with that sort of thing in mind, even though the whole point of the game seemed to be about Going Grey. I think next time I'll go full Dark Side- If only because my GreySide Jedi ended up mostly being a good guy.


I'm upset there's never going to be a third. I would've loved to fight the Ancient Sith empire along the Outer Rim.


Is SWTOR really shit?

>>46111355
The shitness of tor comes from being a sequel in name only, i think. And from it being an mmo. Honestly, it's not that good an mmo, and it will only leave a bad taste in regards to being a sequel to kotor 2. If you somehow can look past that, it's just another generic mmo with more voice acting than usual.

>>46110959
>Considering his whole thang is not being in people's arcs
At lower PS PS10s can get him into arc though.

>>46111112
TLT menace will be no more. The Contracted Scouts will hunt them to extinction.

>>46111367
Ah, that sucks.

Would you happen to know of any worthwhile RPGs with a similar feel to KOTOR? Older is better, as my computer was built for gaming about four years ago, but if there's something brand new that's out and really fantastic, tell me about it and I'll see if I can't make it work.

>>46111426
Hm... Maybe jade empire? it's basicly kotor 1 in not-china.

>>46111539

Ah, I heard about that game. I don't remember what made me decide not to get it last time. I'll check it out.

Out of the three lines for,the FFG Rpgs which do people seem to prefer? Are any better than the others or do they all stand out well on their own? I'm considering getting a beginner box to introduce my friends to it.

And by any chance does anyone have thoughts on the pre made adventures?

>>46111596
Jewel of yavin is generally considered to be good, fairly sandboxy. Can't speak for the others.
All three systems are the exact same one, just different classes/themes. I would recommend you to check out the the pdfs in the OP.
I think that age of rebellion's beginner box has the best followup adventure of the three.

>>46111539

God, I wish Jade Empire had gotten a sequel.

>>46094373

Alright, EOTE campaign idea time!

Mad fucking Max.

Let's take a desert planet that isn't Tatooine or Jakku (though Jakku could work based on what we've seen) and go full Road Warrior on that shit.

Why can't flight work? I dunno, some magnetic interference shit that makes ships crash like that one episode of Rebels.

Why would people stick to terrestrial vehicles? Because the desert is a fucking scary place full of massive beasts and cannibal rapists or some shit.

What do we need? Tribes of raiders. A town/settlement built into a crashed ship. Some fucking terrifying reasons why not to go into the desert. A magical macguffin that allows ships to navigate safely so my party doesn't all die on Madmaxia Prime and then some sweet vehicle ideas.

Let's go /swg/!

I improvised myself into a a corner, help me out, /swg/.

Whath mystical threats fueled by a powerful sith could lurk in a sith temple... If said sith has been dead for over 20 years and the temple is deserted? I already established that it is deserted, so the threats must be some kind of Force shit or something.

>>46112202
Monsters. Visions. Promises. Possessive artifacts. All those little shadows in their souls come to... light.

>>46112215
"I'm just a... Shadow of my former self."

>>46112215
Can visons harm them and be harmed by blaster fire? Gotta tailor the experience for the rooty tooty pointy and shooty guy.

>>46112277
I mean, I was thinking this would be a Character Experience where shooting things isn't the complete solution.

You know, like

>maybe destroying the enclave with baradium bombs isn't ALWAYS the best thing to do
>only most cases

Like the Max Payne dreams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpwOvqmDDms

>>46111820
also worth getting a second set of dice?

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Daily reminder that soontir fel married Wedge antilles sister because not only is fel a better pilot but he is also a better man

>>46112290
You don't understand how uncreative this particular player gets. Everyone else is fine but he built a character that can only deal with his problems by shooting at them, which is fine because he is a fun guy, but a character experience like that wouldn't engage him, and the last combat encounter was three sessions ago, he is feeling kind of useless. I want to do something character driven fit the other people on the party but I absolutely must find a way to play combat as well

Also Max Payne references are always welcome.

>>46112642
just put in monsters for him to shoot then

>>46112641
Or maybe she couldn't marry Wedge because eww gross and had to settle for second best

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>>46112673

never reply to my posts again unless you have something positive to say about soontir fel, kid

>>46112655
What kind of monsters could survive 20 years locked in a temple without food? Can I handwave something like "they were feeding on the power of the dark side?"

>>46112699

Did you completely establish that the temple was deserted or just deserted by the sith? You could say smugglers/scavengers broke in, archaeologists shit like that.

Monster(s) could have fed on rats/corpses of said scavengers etc. If you can't do something like that, then you'll just have to make up some force bs

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>>46112699
these are evil sith monsters in hibernation made of evil

you wake them up

>>46112749
Well that is nightmare inducing...Wait, maybe that was the role the Sith made them for, they torture people with Force-induced nightmares!

>>46112565
Practically necessary. Make sure you double check the dice pack, there's been reports of the RPG's black dice being swapped out for Imperial Assault's black dice. If you don't know Imperial Assault, you'll be able to notice its black dice by if it has symbols with a circle that doesn't quite connect its two halves, or if there's three (failure) triangles on a single side.

>>46112642
The spirits in the F&D beta adventure could get fucked up by physical attacks, if I remember rightly

>>46112886
Also now I look at it, there's Sith phantasms in Chronicles of the Gatekeeper that can be "killed", but you use Willpower instead of whatever stat you'd normally use with your attack skill. Also Pierce and Breach have no effect.

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>>46112698
>Dat art
Who in the blue hell is that Jabroni? The Baron will tell you who that roody-poo isn't. He isn't the Brahma Bantha. He isn't the Most Electrifying Man in all of Space Entertainment. And he most certainly is not the People's Champion.

>>46112842
And the dice are the same for all games right? Even if this pack says Edge of Empire

>>46113104
For the RPGs, yes. The board and wargames, not so much.
All three Star Wars RPGs are 100% cross-compatible.

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>>46111941
Just get rid of the Farce and make up some vehicle rules and you've got your mad max game. You don't even need to change any of the classes or equipment. Say that a heavy blaster is an M4 and the blaster rifle is an AR and stuff like that. The ffg rules are perfect in every way for running that kind of game.

>>46113401
>>Just get rid of the Farce
But the desert is the best place for weird mirages or vision quests or just generally bizarre supernatural happenings that nobody else could possibly witness. And you'll never know if they really happened or if they were just a figment of your imagination, the product of exhaustion or too much peyote.

It's also the best place for mysterious hermits that just appear out of the dunes and disappear as soon as you look away, but you already knew that.

>>46111941
Just set things on Mandalore. The planet is mostly an inhospitable desert shithole inhabited by Australian-accented natives, many of whom love war, raiding, and batshit crazy vehicles. Go forth and ride eternal, shiny, and beskar.

>>46113436
Absolutely, though I'd never give my players access to the force in that kind of game. The amount of bullshit you can pull with influence and misdirect is incredible. Those people wouldn't be peyotl smoking hermits, they'd be gods.

>>46111833
I know, right?

>>46104714
>>46105096
If either of you are implying bullet cartridges implode like that in space, you are fucking retarded

Are all rebel pilots (or starfighter pilots in general) commissioned officers?

>>46094453
that Sabine is cute

has anything been leaked from savage spirits yet i want it to come out already

>>46112699
If you've played either of the koto games pretty much any of the beasties you fight on Korriban. Tukata, hississ, shrywrack, terrantek. I'm pretty sure they can all sustain themselves on Dark Side force energy.
Yes I realize I probably spelt all those wrong.

>>46115775
You're right, I'll just use the stats from similar monsters and they won't notice. Thanks, everyone.

Hey XWW if you are reading this get writing instead

>>46112673
You know wedge never actually beat him without help for rogue squadron.

Like, not even a 1 on 1 scenario or 6 on 6, but like 3 to 1. Soontir's only equal is probably Vader and Vader has the "force crutch".

>>46117300
But considering that Salm put the Stone Cold Stunner to Soontir in a gods-damned Y-Wing, does that mean Horton Salm is the Deadliest Son-of-a-Bitch in Space?

>>46117345
He was dog-fighting with Wedge at the time, so no.

It was a group effort and only proves that Wedge< Fel < Rogue squadron.
He still is just one man after all.

I wonder if there is a rebel subfaction that believes in excessive violence against the Empire/First order? You know the kind that uses ieds to inflict civilian casualties to show the Empire cant protect them, criminal activity as a cover for rebel acts like robbing banks and serial killings. Zshow how some rebels know how cruel the empire is and paying back in kind

>>46097902
>Hera walks in on Kanan putting the moves on Sabine
>Cue twilek french accent
>"Kanan, what are you doing?"
>"Yooooouuu stupid woman! Can you not see that ah am trying to deomnstrate to 'er 'ow easy it is to fall to the dark side?"

Man, I would watch the shit out of that.

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>>46117879
I doubt something like that it's ever going to happen in a black-and-white Star Wars universe, where the sides are pretty clearly defined.
Then again, I was also thinking about hardcore Rebel terrorists, lead by a former CIS colonel and secretly financed by a group of Neimoidian/Muun bankers. I have a thing for CIS

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>>46117879
Garm Bel Iblis' "I'm gonna have my own Rebellion, with blackjack and hookers!" movement got pretty close.

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>>46116777
Trying, but progressing very slowly. I've just been way too goddamn busy. Personal workload has been pretty fucking heavy these past few months.

It also certainly doesn't help that I've gotten hooked on some of the stuff on my vidya backlog.

>>46117879
Not as part of the rebel.alliance, as all white hat all the time is a requirement of membership
>>46118068
Not even really. The decision to make him the token bloodthirsty NR guy later on had very little to do with previous characterization

>>46118046

It can be used as an example of people being pushed so far that they dont care about why they fight the empire. Just want to fight them for the sake fighting.

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>>46117879

>Working with another rebel cell on a planet
>Things go shakey, they do some stupidly excessive stuff at times, lots of collateral damage
>Finally time to assault the Moff's stronghold
>Extremist Cell reaches the Moff first
>Extremist Cell Broadcasts extremely brutal public execution of Moff and his underlings/family
>General populace horrified
>months/years of work and legitimacy wiped away in one moment

>>46117879
If that's what gets you hard, go ahead and play it, but there's no canon support for that kind of edge

>>46118506

>Meanwhile outer rim who are used to brutality welcomes this factiom with open arms. Seeing how they can prey on desperate civilians and offers to back them up even more so long they give the empire a bleeding mouth and spread anarchy

>>46117411
But Vader could beat Rogue Squadron...

>>46117879
Also the actual Rebel Alliance would probably actually try and kill those kind of folks to prevent them from fucking everything up for the sane ones

>>46110968
>ahahaha marrige sucks

>>46117879
It's called the justice action network
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Justice_Action_Network
It had nothing to do with the main rebel alliance though. More often that not, in modules they turn out to be dupes of the ISB to create enough chaos to justify imperial intervention

>>46118665
>Vader could beat Rogue Squadron
>Wedge
>Luke
>Wes
>Hobbie
>Tycho
>Ibtisam
>Ten Numb
>5-ish Red Squadron generics
Not even Vader could survive that many red dice at once.

>>46118884
So it's the space UVF, huh

>>46118962
You're forgetting that Anakin Skywalker was the greatest pilot in the Galaxy and Vader was just as good, if not better.

>>46119070
Andagoodfriend.jpg

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>>46119070
It was an XWM joke, Anon. Mathematically speaking, Vader would most likely be worn down by sheer probability and weight of fire. Even with the current meta, Vader is still looking at around 36 red dice from primary attacks alone. I'm not even going to bother figuring in how the new ordnance cards affect the viability of the Rogues opening the fight with a torpedo volley.

>>46119121
This is Anakin Skywalker’s masterpiece:
Many people say he is the best star pilot in the galaxy, but that’s merely talk, born of the constant HoloNet references to his unmatched string of kills in starfighter combat. Blowing up vulture droids and tri-fighters is simply a matter of superior reflexes and trust in the Force; he has spent so many hours in the cockpit that he wears a Jedi starfighter like clothes. It’s his own body, with thrusters for legs and cannons for fists.

What he is doing right now transcends mere flying the way Jedi combat transcends a schoolyard scuffle.

He sits in a blood-spattered, blaster-chopped chair behind a console he’s never seen before, a console with controls designed for alien fingers. The ship he’s in is not only bucking like a maddened dewback through brutal coils of clear-air turbulence, it’s on fire and breaking up like a comet ripping apart as it crashes into a gas giant. He has only seconds to learn how to maneuver an alien craft that not only has no aft control cells, but has no aft at all.

This is, put simply, impossible. It can’t be done.

He’s going to do it anyway.

Because he is Anakin Skywalker.

And he doesn't believe in impossible.

>>46119314
>And he doesn't believe in impossible.
Doesn't matter if you believe in the no-win scenario.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zezg0v_qQtI
Eventually, it's going to find you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHAOWLhrxhQ
And it's going to leave you devastated.

>>46119404
you mean the one where spock comes back from the dead in the end?

>>46119417
Through absolutely NOTHING Kirk did.
That's the entire point of Kirk's arc in the film.
He finally had to face the no-win scenario, and lost his best friend to it.

>>46119417

That was Spock pulling the mother of all Hail Marys, and even then getting him back cost Kirk his ship and his son, there's no such thing as a free lunch you know?

>>46119474
>Through absolutely NOTHING Kirk did.
He did quite a bit in the next movie, thereby proving that the no-win scenario still hasn't been faced it just took him an extra movie to, finally, win.

And even when he sacrifices the Enterprise to save Spock he gets a new one.

Oh wait, his son died? Well unfortunately AIDS is still something of a no-win scenario

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Welp, looks like my Rebel Fleet Campaign is at an end. Had a player flip out and it basically ruined the game for everyone.

Background, said player was using the phone dice app, but always came up with awesome rules with multiple triumphs, and interrupted the previous-init-order player by saying how good his roll was. Everyone suspected he was fudging his dice, and this isn't the first time this has been an issue (we have a rule that you must roll dice on the table and someone has to confirm it if you roll nat20's, etc). We've asked him repeatedly to roll real dice (we have a communal pool of 3 ffg dice sets), but he refuses, saying he bought the app, he's going to use it.

So, i decided to have the punishment fit the crime - if he's fudging his dice on his super-optimized ataru lightsaber jedi, ill fudge the dice on the shit-ass no-lightsaber-skillz hes fighting. Beat him to a pulp and took an arm. Player ofcourse gets real sullen that he didn't win, but the fight was great for everyone else (more then one inquisitor), and it turned into an awesome running gun&sword fight.

At the end of the game, I told the player that I had fudged rolls because he refuses to roll real dice in the open. He flipped out. Now he's saying he's not going to play in any game our group has, and wants nothing to do with us.

So, was I in the wrong here? I really don't think so. We even offered the guy a compromise where he can set his phone on the table, then shake the phone\"roll" the dice, while someone is watching, only on his turn, so he's technically rolling in the open.

>>46119989

I don't think I agree with what you did, but yeah, players are not allowed to privately roll their shit. I don't even like GMs rolling behind a curtain.

Why let the game end because of him? Just keep going with the others.

>>46107139
I can say with certainty that Disney is not allowing FFG anywhere near the prequels or Old Republic stuff right now. There was a "changing of the guard" of sorts in mid-late 2014 where LFL started cracking down real hard on anything that wasn't explicitly from IV, V and VI. Convincing them to allow us to do even basic things like the Ghost was an extreme challenge.

>>46120189
>allow us
Trying to imply you're with FFG I see. Anything to back that up?

If you are FFG, any plans for a Scum huge ship?

>>46120061
>Why let the game end because of him? Just keep going with the others.

Because half the group thinks what I did was wrong, and the other half thinks what I did was right.

The campaign has become mired in controversy.

To make matters worse, we play at said players house, so if he says "im done" then it effectively means were all out on the street

>>46120414
I'm "with" FFG. I work in the building. I'm not a dev, but I'm good friends with most of them. Take it or leave it, I'm not gonna break NDA just for internet popularity.

That being said, don't hold your breath on huge Scum. Last I heard, it was gathering dust in Frank and Alex's "eventually" pile.

>>46120541
>Because half the group thinks what I did was wrong, and the other half thinks what I did was right.
Probably because you did what you did based on the assumption that he actually did cheat.

Would have been nicer to have a talk about it first than doing something like you did.

And if he refuses to roll in the open he's a bad sport.

>>46119989
If this kind of situation comes up again, here is what you do:
-If the problem player controls your group's meeting place, arrange for an alternate meeting place so that catch-22s like >>46120541 are avoided.
-Tell the player to roll dice in the open. Warn him that if he refuses, you will roll his dice for him.
-If he refuses to roll openly, or if he tries to hide his dice as he rolls, ignore any result he says and roll dice for his actions.

>>46119404
Gonna point out that he succeeded. He landed the ship.

God, the Contracted Scouts are the definition of power creep...

>>46119989
He has gay porn on his phone anon.

>>46119989
Why not just make him use the app in the open?
You've basically condemned him before actually making certain he's doing something wrong. If you knew he was fudging rolls for certain, I'd think your solution was a little juvenile but whatever, some people won't respond to polite conversation anyway, it may have been necessary. As is you kinda pulled a dick move.

>>46120898
Arguably the /x7 defender is much worse. It is like hyper mega efficient.

Contracted scout is priced at what it is actually worth, unlike so many other generic large ships.

The torp boat is super gross, let there be no doubt of that.

>>46122272
It's only the title that makes the torp boat possible.

At 38 points for the ps3 dude with 3 dice, you'd never see a double uboat list.

>>46122629
pretty much every torp boat list out there runs 3 of them

The tittle only really seems useful for a named pilot

>>46119989
Is this an online game? Using the app is fine but I'd make him have to openly roll it in front of you guys rather than fiddle with his phone where you can't see and show you the result. As far as fudging against him, if you suspect him of cheating that definitely falls to rule 0 but telling him you openly fudged it against him to grave consequences is just going to sow distrust and end games

>>46122658
What I mean to say was, if there wasn't a title and the base scrub jumpmaster was 38 points, you wouldn't see these shenanigans.

>>46122747
37, apologies.

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>>46117879
Realistically there probably would be in environments where there's high levels of Empire support amongst the population

However they wouldn't last very long because like most insurgency stuff it quickly turns into the exact opposite that they where trying to achieve in the first place. People end up hating them because they just turn into arseholes that blow up trains, stop water from running, killing kids and all kinds of shit that just messes with their lives, quite quickly turning them into the 'very bad' guys. Like those massive polarisations which happen in warfare when civilians become military targets- eg: the UK when the Germans started bombing the population centres in cities, the English lost their collective shit and legitimately hated the Germans with a real passion.
They where sad when they had their neighbours/family where killed, house blown up- but mostly they where just really fucking angry.

When it comes to counter insurgency, they don't last long because not only do you have the enemy looking for you, now the whole population and their eyes looking to fuck your shit up too!
>No where to hide
>No one to help
>No new recruits
Basically, they kicked their legs out from underneath themselves without the enemy having to do very much. A classic example of an insurgency fucking itself up is something like the Malayan Communists who effectively shat in their own nests, the local population was only too happy to tell the Brits and Aussies where they where hiding or where they used to move all the time, so they didn't last very long with continued pressure from also the military efforts that rooted out their last areas of influence.
Heck, in a pinch offering cash incentives for information on the rebels does the trick too.

Star Wars generic rebels last longer because they have both some level of popular support and moral high ground.

>>46120594
Any small hints on the silence pertaining to the RPG? (The last new book was announced in January... Whereas last year (for a bit anyway) it seemed like a new book was announced once a week... I take it something big is coming or are things just slowing down because of the licence renewal?

>>46119989
Halve his portions. 50 pushups.

>>46115011
Was Luke in Ep4? No

>>46115011
For Rebel fighter pilots, canon doesn't have a stance yet, I don't think. In Legends, it's very likely that they were all officers. "Flight officer" was the lowest rank seen among Rebel and NR fighter jocks in the X-Wing novels, IIRC.

>>46122804

So how do you create a SpaceDaesh then? The kind of movement that can get away with the kind of cruelty equal to the Empire?

>>46119989
I feel glad for my players now. We had a fun battle where a player character actually died, and he didn't bitch about it, instead he started roleplaying a Force Ghost! Giving advice to other players and shit in what could be the most OOC manner possible but making it part of the game. My group is great.

I had to fudge the enemy's stats down so they wouldn't all die and I'm never telling them now, so something like what happened to you never happens to us

>>46124607
>The kind of movement that can get away with the kind of cruelty equal to the Empire?
Problem is that if you want the Rebellion era, nobody can logically match the Empire in cruelty. Palps is the Lockheed-Martin of assholes. Every day is an opportunity for him to come up with some new, hilarious way to make people miserable. And only the Empire has the resources to pull off planet-busting in that time period.

Tarkin turns mass protests into parking lots. Palps' idea of brisk exercise is murdering an entire city of Bothans by himself. Vader is Vader. It's next to impossible to beat them on the high score board.

>>46124607
By either being completely anonymous or by framing the empire. Or both, when possible.
Either that school blew up with no good suspects, or that school blew up right after a bunch of conspicuously-absent-from-the-emergency-response style stormtroopers were sighted nearby.

>>46124607
Like a lot of these things, they form in vacuums
So if there was a region which has all the Imperial forces off chasing Rebels, the local government is like a lot of SW governments- no guns, we're pacifists and the population is full of people who'd rather have cloned slaves and droids do their fighting in major wars. Pretty easy to muscle in.

Of course 'why' they have a mass-psychotic reason to inflict misery on those around them, well, religious interpretations seems to be a good enough reason as any
But you could use space-viruses, cultural fuck-ups, historical hatreds, brain implants and evil space wizards if you had to.. hell, use all of them as problems are rarely just a single, compound reason!

>>46124607
Why do you want this shit so badly anon?

>>46124607
Kaleesh.

>>46125958
The imperial apologists just get giant chubs for a situation where the empire is the "good guys"

Did we ever get a more comprehensive scan of like, shitty phone images for Keeping the Peace or Lead By Example?

I know the pdf guy has been busy so they're not up like, properly, but I wondered if anything more detailed ever came out?

>>46124809
That doesn't seem much fun. Is he going to roll another character as well as being a ghost?

>>46126891
he already rolled another character, that was sessions agora. He only pretended to be a ghost for the remainder of that one session.

>>46113401

Hey man, thanks for the feedback. I am inclined to agree with >>46113436 re: usage of it for the one Force sensitive in the party to have some trippy times, especially since his family was murdered and he has become the Punisher, for all intents and purposes.

>>46113585

Is it really? I thought nu-canon made it into a peace loving planet of pacifists?

>>46128966
Until Maul rolled in with his spiky army

>>46124607
Yevetha

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>>46128966
>Is it really? I thought nu-canon made it into a peace loving planet of pacifists?
The pacifists are one faction out of many, and possibly a minority. It's likely that they're only the "official" government by virtue of being the only people who would talk to the Pubs. Deathwatch want to kill everything and the clans that don't like either Satine or the Deathwatch largely want to be left the fuck alone in canon.

But that's canon. And who gives a shit about canon in an RPG campaign? FFG's books are mostly Legends anyway, so mix and match canon and Legends as much as you want. Or just make shit up. If you want Mandalorians to ride eternal, shiny, and beskar, go right on ahead. If you want Concord Dawn Mandos to perform a haka before every combat drop, that's just fine and dandy, too.

>>46117879
No populist insurgency lasts long with such tactics.

Hell, the Alliance makes a point of not inviting such cells into itself.

Anybody have experience adapting EotE/AoR to other settings? I really like the system and want to use it with my own sci-fi setting.

>>46129279

Huh, I clearly missed things in Rebels or was it Clone Wars? Last I saw there were splinter factions just fighting for whoever paid best on other planets.

>>46130063

That's true, Legends is where we've based most of the other shit so far anyway. I mean the best part is we're all New Zealanders (well there's one Aussie I think) so we can get deep into the whole thing.

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>>46132675
I DO need to continue the Saga of TailHeads and Questanon...

>>46122865
Sad truth is that FFG had to restructure the rpg team, and between that and relocating to a new office, they've just slowed down in general. They being said, yes, something big is coming. Probably next few months.

>>46132977
Ouch! I think I heard some-such referenced on a recent Order 66 Podcast.

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Anything you can say about L5R?

I at least want to know if its keeping Roll&Keep or if FFG is going to go in a new direction dice\system wise

>>46133065 is meant for >>46132977

>>46133065
If they ditch R&K, they're going to lose a lot of the old L5R RPG players.
I mean, they might lose a lot anyway, but R&K being replaced is consistently a major potential issue cited when L5R players say they're worried about what FFG is going to do with it.

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>>46133141

John Wicks new 7th Sea is ditching Roll & Keep.

My big issue with FFG is not whether they keep R&K, but in what thematic direction they decide to go with L5R.

AEG tried to rebrand it as oriental fantasy, which means it got a lot of wuxia influence, which in turn made it less lethal, and more heroic. Most L5R players never played the game in its first edition, and never got to experience the system at its most unforgiving. L5R should stay what it was - a bloody highly lethal game about Samurai.

FFG has yet to make an RPG that I've played that I would describe as "highly lethal and bloody" (although 40k gets close, its still very forgiving with fate-burning and TB soak)

And so thats my major concern - whether they go the Heroic route and make it less lethal, or take it back to its roots and go full on blood opera with it.

>>46133256
Even 4th edition can kill you in one or two combat turns. Fights between very high ranking opponents is basically rocket tag, with the loser being splatted across the nearest walls. Most supernatural creatures can take hits like a champ and dish out more damage than even the toughest character can handle. I'd hardly call that not as lethal as 1st edition, which had plenty of wacky builds that could keep you alive.

>>46133065
I know nothing about their L5R plans right now, and I've been looking. I think the plan is to get a bit more Star Wars stuff out the door before they even get started.

>>46133256

4e is lethal enough for my liking. A tough guy can take a couple of hits but you can never be 100% sure an attack won't just flat kill you.

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>>46133294

I've never played 4th Edition, but I have a lot of experience with 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Second Edition is when the rules went to shit, and 3rd Edition is when AEG tried to rebrand it as "less japanese" and "more asian" with a lot more wuxia and wires.

I've at least looked through 4th, and it seems to be an attempt to blend 3rd and 1st together, with a more codified art style (the art in 3rd ed was awful). So that by itself makes me like it a whole lot more.

>>46133357
Tell them to hurry up. Or at least release some kinda teaser with answers to the burning questions we all want to know, like...

"Are you keeping R&K?"

>>46133389
Fourth is definitely better than third. It doesn't have any of the blatantly broken bullshit (Mirumoto bushi in particular got brought down to everyone else's level), although Minor Clan and Ronin schools/paths are intentionally worse than Great Clan ones and fancy wuxia stuff is basically reserved for monks (Who have always been bullshit mystics) and people with very, very high dicepools and Void Rings (To empower enough Raises to pull off special maneuvers).

>>46133055
The sad truth here is that books don't sell. FFG hasn't been making money off RPGs for a while now, and until people stop pirating, big companies like FFG are just going to get more and more gun shy about cranking out RPG stuff, especially when they're literally just floating off the money other departments are making (see: xwing/netrunner).

>>46133445

That whole 'Minor clans/ronin are worse' thing always ticked me off. It's just not good game design.

>>46097819

Grevious had zero force abilities. The more astonishing thing is that he ever managed to defeat a Jedi in a straight up fight.

Right before Obi-Wan does possibly the dumbest thing in the movies and drops down into the middle of dozens of battle droids, he effortlessly kills two of Grevious' guards by dropping a ventilation system on them. It's not even a contest, he just straight up destroys them. THAT's what's supposed to happen when a non-Force user tries to go up against a Force user, let alone a fully trained one. We then get the most ridiculous fight scene in a movie that is rich in ridiculous fight scenes when realistically it should have ended in around 5 seconds, and that's only because each of Grevious' arms would take 1 second to slice off.

Admittedly it's Sheev but one of the best parts in the Clone Wars tv series is when he heads to Mandalore to take down Maul and Savage. Sheev just casually walks from the spaceport to the main office and everyone who tries to stop him just dies. Sheev doesn't even look at them; they just start choking. THAT's a Sith lord right there.

>>46133389
If I were you, I would prepare for at least a solid year between now and getting that question answered.

>>46133467
I agree, but it's also not hidden and is fairly consistent if you consider them to be different tiers of play. If everyone is a ronin, it's not a problem. You're scruffy and have to get by on skill alone most of the time. If everyone is a minor clan samurai, it's not a problem. You're underdogs, but you can get by on being overlooked when it benifits you and sheer tenacity. If everyone is Great Clan samurai, then you can get by on your superior training and the backing of a powerful pseudo-state within the Empire.
It's when you try to mix them or have some kind of PVP come up (Not that rare, honestly) that you end up with potential problems. Techniques aren't the be all, end all, but having a strictly better one for the situation is usually enough to give you the edge over anyone who isn't far superior to you in terms of traits and skills.
As much as I love talking about L5R, this isn't really the thread for it, though.

>>46133467
That's unfortunate... I thought the SWRPG stuff was doing ok? I mean with getting the renewal and stuff... Or is it really just X-Wing keeping the rights with FFG?

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>>46133467
>>46133445

>Minor clans/ronin are worse

Hah, 1st Edition was hit or miss with that. Ronin had no schools, but a shitton of starting CP's. That alone made them worth playing if you spent right.

The Minor Clan schools were all interesting flavor wise, but the only real powerful one was Wasp, considering 1st edition archery was pretty useful before bows got a huge damage nerf. Being able to sling away three 7k3 damage attacks at any one target was pretty sweet.

>>46133498
And thats a year before an answer, to say nothing of how long after the answer an actual beta comes.

>>46133539
It is. Star Wars is reliably a cash flow for FFG (except for the LCG), but as a general trend right now, our books are dropping in sales every year. Warhammer is moving like molasses, and the End of the World line is doing even worse than that. So even though L5R is an established line, they're not going to want to waste a lot of time or money on it. If I were a gambling man, I'd wager on them not even touching the thing until the card game is already out and generating buzz.

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>>46133635
>Warhammer is moving like molasses

Yeah, it seems pretty dead. So far all books are released for all the lines, and even DH2nd has the only splatbooks it seems to need, unless they want to release a monsters\enemies book.

I can't think of them doing anything else, except for a 2nd Ed treatment for Rogue Trader and Death Watch

>>46133663
I ran the original Dark Heresy for about 2years, also managed to get some decent playtime on Rogue Trader, Dark Crusade and Only War too, which was pretty cool
But after a while we just got sick of the grim derp and just had to do something else.

Star Wars was a nice, 'lighter' alternative

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>>46133756

You cant really do too much of anything before you get sick of it, even Star Wars.

I'm trying to get a DH2nd game going, but I don;t want to run it. So far I've done at least one campaign (run and played) in all the FFG 40k lines, except DeathWatch

>>46133816
Oh I'll definitely give the 40k another run, another day. I mean hell, the amount of books our group meant we had to get our resident carpenter to knock up another bookshelf and we're not talking a small one either and its just full of 40k rpg shit.
About the only one I was truly disappointed in was Death Watch, it was fucking awful fan-tier shit.

Taking a bit of a break every now and then is pretty necessary, if it starts feeling like a job, then its generally time to find something else to do.

>>46097582
If you going to put it on a sea bed then it needs to be able to withstand many atmospheres of pressure.

A spaceship needs to be able to withstand 0-1.

Any fun Ghost/Phantom buillds anyone seen yet?

>>46133880
How bad is Deathwatch? I would have thought it'd be fun to play as a Space Marine in a party of Space Marines doing shit.

>>46134079
I watched someone play and win a game against a dude who had three jumpmasters specced with plasma torpedoes.

He had Kanan piloting, docked Phantom (until the last round), Fire Control Systems, and I think TLT.
Never ending target lock.

>>46134109
It has some good sides and hell, space marines are still cool in various ways. (I wanted it to work, I really did)
But the whole system just couldn't really handle it from a combat perspective and its extremely hard as a GM to come up with new and interesting things to do. Plus some of the careers in it where just all kinds of whack.

Only War they hit the nail on the head in terms of capturing the essence of a military-themed game, combined with a relatively robust system, interesting careers for PC's. Its quite a good game

>>46133981
What if you're landing on a planet with higher atmospheric pressure than Earth?

>>46110968
The vast majority of the divorce rate is people divorcing for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc time. The divorce rate for first-time marriages is like, less than 20%.

So basically, it's just a few dumb fucks who mess up that little statistic.

Saga Question TG:
What are your thoughts on using 5 ranks of Coordinate as a fleet admiral?

All allied ships (and personnel on your ship) in communication with your vessel get +7 on aid another.

5 gun batteries go from a +8 to hit to a +28 to hit.

This also applies to your co-pilots aiding their Pilot skill letting Colossal Transports dog fight only slightly worse (-1) than a single person huge fighter.

>>46108773
there's a lot of talk about the beta in the BFG general thread, seems to be generally positive response.

Now that they've been out for a bit how do people like too set up the Mist Hunter?
I want to add one too my scum squad but I'm not sure what I want to do with it.

Hey, I want to incorporate maps on my FaD campaign, even though they're not neccessary. Where do you guys get your maps? Do any of the older games' books have maps in them? I could just edit them if they did. I'm especially interested in cities and temples.

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>>46135788
Dwarf Fortress. Seriously, that game is a great source of floor plans for buildings like ancient temples and Imperial bases.

>>46096924
Authority on shit is shit. Pay him no mind. Just flush and he'll be gone.

>>46097101
It's ok not to like it just because. I hate marshmallows. Can't explain why. Just do. But if you're going to explain why you don't like it, at least be right... even a little.

>>46099126
Tanks - at least some of them - can submerge. They've been equipped with snorkels for that purpose... but your point is still pointy.