SoI Spoiler Thread

I can't tell if this thing is any good

>>46082901
Probably not. In any format with Diabolic Revelation, this card gets blown out of the water. And as far as I'm aware, nobody played Revelation outside of EDH.
It might have some cute Madness interaction, but I wouldn't count on it. Seven mana up front leaves you with little to pay Madness costs.

Hopefully you were activating madness abilities and dumping your hand, and this is the last card in your hand. 3 demonic tutors for the price of 3.5, mana wise it's decent; honestly, diabolic tutor is fair price for that effect. I would like to chain these together, almost like sorcery speed dig through times. For full price. I bet legacy combo decks will like these, it sort of reminds me of the parallel to Lions eye diamond

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>>46082901
Tip from an old pro: if a 7cmc sorcery doesn't affect the board state, it's probably a commander card.

That green chick is kind of interesting, though.
>sac three clues, drop a creature
There's some way of doing that for less than six mana, right? Tragic Arrogance comes to mind, but that's pretty inefficient.

It's three tutors for a price that should make your hand empty if you're on curve. If you don't have another 7 drop, it's probably decent. If you do, it might not be great, since you'd rather be dropping that than this.

>>46082901
It's not. EDH has better tutors, and that's the only place an effect like that at 7cmc might ever see play.

>>46082987
searching for any land isn't to be overlooked either

>>46082856
that doesn't look like Emrakul

>>46082856
>inb4 someone magical Xmas lands with 4 rootwallas and this is somehow broken

>>46082987
If you simply tap tamiyo's journal you sac three clues and get to tutor then drop a creature at end step if you have green chick.

>>46083025
I have to admit it would be cool the one time it ever happened to anyone, but there are better cards to visit that particular Christmasland with than this piece of shit.

>>46082987
"Green chick?" Did I miss a spoiler?

Entirely possible, I haven't had internet for a week.

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>>46083072

>>46083072
3G
3/3
Whenever it deals combat damage investigate

If you have sacrificed three clues this turn, put a creature from your hand onto the battlefield on the end step.

99% sure thats the card.

>>46083085
Seems pretty good. You're still drawing cards in addition to putting down the creature, which means even if it's lower than CMC 6 there could still be some value.

It also says each end step, which means you can sac them in your opponents turn and have it ready to swing on yours.

It's terrible. Outside of EDH, at best, it's "You can set up your win for next turn, assuming your opponent has no disruption."

It's a shit-ass mythic that's insulting to everyone who ever pulls it. Three Demonic Tutors + extra mana + hand discard does not equal anything close to feeling mythic.

I really just want to see someone mill themselves out with Investigate. Just once.

>>46082945
I think people played like one Revelation in control decks in Standard. Certainly not a great card.

>>46082856
It's sweet for control mirrors when you have a ton of mana late in the game. It's ass if you're under any real pressure, though. So probably unplayable.

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>>46083121
I do too

>>46083118

But duuuude! Don't you know that tutoring is like, the most broken effect in Magic?!

>>46083018
It could be emrakul's tentacles, wreathed in the energy of the blind eternities, but I doubt it. I think that this is something else.

>>46082901
it's a one of in a super cheap discard deck

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What did you think of pic related? At least standard playable in my opinion. I really want to see a playable werewolves deck, although by seeing the spoilers I guess it will be shitty overcosted wolfies again.

>>46082901
I have no experience with the eternal formats, so I could be totally wrong, but I imagine with some ridiculous fast mana and a three card infinite combo, this thing could be playable.

>>46083240
It'd be better if it had Hexproof instead of Trample. As it stands it basically reads 'When Silverfur Partisan dies, put a 2/2 green wolf creature token on to the battlefield.

>>46083240

Almost certainly included in whatever RG aggresive/mid-range deck ends up spring up around Arlinn

>>46083240
Instafour or three of in any wolf based deck I feel. Make all your wolf dudes, mang

>>46083243
it's certainly built for eternal, but even there I don't think it will see a lot of play. There are simply better things to do with 7 mana, and better cards to put in its slot.

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>brew thread?

best cards coming through

>>46083240
Decent just on it's own. It replaces itself if it eats a kill spell and the trample is relevant

>>46083270
I feel like a lot of the time they try to build for eternal while making sure it isn't "too strong" for standard and the card ends up being not useful in anything.

>>46083240
I'd play him in a janky-ass RG Zada wolves deck

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fuck the reply delay

>>46083240

I'm hoping that they'll print a relevant pump spell, if they do this could be quite good.

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>>46083318

>>46083293
that's one of the best cards I've seen so far this set

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>>46083344

What if there are secret clues on the cards, but you can only see them on foils?

I wish wizards was that clever

>>46083344
This card however, is garbage.

>>46083313
i think that you are right.
now this
>>46083344
is an eternal card. Great flavor, fun effect, good for a mill deck.

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after playing for a couple years, this feels like the first set with potential

>>46083161
No, that's lifegain__________

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>>46083293
I know it's bad but I'm excited to brew with this for combo stuff

>>46083255
Buffs also trigger it though. Wonder if Last Word will get a reprint

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I wasn't here when this was probably posted, what was everyone's opinion on it?

>>46082976
Not even EDH wants this, you have access to better tutors there.

>>46083416
I don't know if they could have designed a more generic blue planeswalker if they even tried.

>>46083410
Just toss it into burn as a one or two of, get shit loads of value when you've run out of gas

>>46083411
Huh, I misread it as opponent.

Either way, I think giving it Hexproof somehow will help it a lot so it doesn't just get removed and leave you with a token.

Either way, odds are good it's going to end up doing something, and for 3 mana that's not a bad deal.

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ugh

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>>46083416
baby jace is better

>>46083484
> ob nixils variant #4

>>46083416
Tamiyo/10

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>>46083484
great card, terrible fucking art. his face is gorge martin tier

>>46083516
if you actually look at a close-up of the art on wizards it doesn't look so bad, still prefer the Lord of Innistrad art though by a wide margin.

>>46083477
Nah man

Cheap cantrips and looting to enable Madness, stuff like Infectious Bloodlust and Call of the Full Moon for buffs, slap out a Stormchaser Mage and that Daring Sleuth cat and go to down

Trust me my nigga

>>46083480
it got a strictly better version called Overwhelming Denial last set

>>46083516
It's weird, that artist is usually pretty good, but this piece is so...bad.

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>>46083546
no, they have good artists, that's just apparently either not one of them or the guy had a bad day

>gameday top 8

>>46083416

It's about as fair and generic as you could possibly make a blue walker

It isn't BAD, 5 mana is a bit pricy, but being able to NotQuitePreordain every turn is pretty relevant and bouncing twice before needing to plus him is good.

I think it'll see play but it is not exciting at all.

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>having a Chandra out with a hand full of Madness cards

OH FUG

>>46083578
god do I want this. I need to run anguished unmaking in my edh deck, but I have no desire to deal with that awful flavor text.

>>46083578
deschamps is good he is just completely inconsistent

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>>46083301
>eating a kill spell
>grey ogre with trample

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>>46083558
>Creature which generates value on pump or removal.
> Its strictly better version in an instant counter.

>>46083607

Well then you'd better make sure you top 8 on gameday so you can get the promo, it doesn't have the flavor text.

>>46083578
>no, they have good artists
Haha no they some range of kids out of highschool or college that have photoshop. Any real artist bailed or is too umotivated to strive for more than making uninspired production art every couple months.

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>>46083240
>3 mana for a 2/2
Looks like shit, anon. It only protects your wolves from spells, not from getting BTFO in combat.

>>46083293
I can see this getting used in a WU spirit deck. Flash him in with Rattlechains or activate Delirium and you've got a rock-solid 1-drop.

>>46083318
I love everything about this card.

>>46083344
I can see a control deck running 1 or 2 as a finisher. I like that you only need 1 to kill an opponent, provided you can keep the board clean. But, cmon, >>46083399, it's a Standard card and not at all eternal playable.

>>46083410
I feel like Brain in a Jar and this would get along very nicely in a UR spellslinger/control deck.

>>46083492
Another nice piece for a UW spirit deck I bet.

>>46083516
Between this and pic related, mono-B zombies is going to be a thing.

>>46083688
I like your style with the Brain in a Jar idea

>>46083688
Gravecrawler also is good for diregraf.

>>46083585
Ob is just better than this turd. Does pretty much the same thing except he can actually win the game if unchecked. This thing is just a 5 mana durdle machine.

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>>46083638

meant to reply to who you replied to, >>46083411

>>46083344
God the flavor on this card is through the fucking roof

>>46083644
i'm gonna trade for three of them cause I've got problems and that thing's hot. a playset seems like the right amount to have.

>>46083711
I mean the draw on the Jace is so much better than Ob's admittedly this is in blue so card draw is on average better, but that is still something to think about.

>>46083484
Dig the card but art makes me feel bad. Same with overly zoomed out Olivia.

>>46083711

>Ob is just better than this turd

Not always.

The Jace draw effect is a LOT better and Ob takes 3 turns to kill 2 and kills himself doing it while Jace can bounce twice without dying.

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>>46083738
you're here for flavor? we've got flavor.

>>46083688
brain in the jar, grasp of darkness, relentless dead, sinister concoction, remorseless punishment. I can't wait to get monoblack running.

>>46083516
I fucking love this card.

>>46083367
>>46083401
>>46083416
>>46083484
Which planeswalker will end up being the priciest a month after the release?

I would love to have a playset of Nahiri but Arlinn may end up being the best pw of the set.

>>46083871
Arlinn 100% so much versatility

>>46083085
Very high pick in Limited for sure.

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>>46083871
sorin gets the work done but i can't see Arlinn not being top dolla due to them damn waifu proportions

>>46083872
Don't underestimate this card. It's a mono-red, slightly-worse Pentad Prism. That'll be good enough for many decks this Standard.

It also fuels Delirium too I guess.

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>>46083871
sorin does the work but Arlinn's waifu material

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>>46083872
>weird slow ritual that takes 2 turns to really put in work
And yet I don't completely hate it

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>>46083892
best card coming through

>>46083871
I'm waiting on Sorin to drop before I commit to buy. TCG be having him for $21.47. I'm trying really hard not to press that checkout button...

>>46083410
Obscene with retrace

>>46083950
I can't read french but I can tell it's a land that becomes a massive flying indestructible demon. I love it.

There is so much weird red stuff in this set that makes me really want to build R/U instants and sorceries.

>>46083950
>pay 5, tap put a cleric out
>pay five, tap, sac five guys, transform

Flying, lifelink, indestructible, haste.

>>46082901
>I can't tell if this thing is any good
You'll win any game you actually manage to cast it.

Outside of limited, you'll never manage to cast it.

>>46083950
>6 mana and a life for a 1/1 token
>6 mana and five creatures for a 9/7 demon that your opponent can see coming

not worth playing, save in roil edh.

>>46083956
Almost every single cards will eventually drop by the first 2 weeks. Then some outperformed cards will shoot up in prices later.

Don't buy now unless you really need them.

>>46083950
Reflector mage sends its regards.

>>46083950
Hitting for 9 with lifelink and haste is a HUGE swing, like holy fucking shit.

And since the land enters untapped and is not legendary, I expect a lot of decks will stuff 3 or 4 of these in a deck and go the token route just to try it as a finisher.

>>46083871
Arlinn most likely. Sorin maybe. Nahiri is probably going to be the least used and cheapest.

Totally want an Arlinn since she's the most interesting walker card we've got in a while since the Origins crew.

>>46083969
>pay 5, tap put a cleric out
and pay one life

>>46083085
Taimyo's journal combo.

>>46083950
>>46083969
Does haste even do anything on this guy? You have to tap to flip him anyway.

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>>46083974

might i suggest some synergy?

>For each instant or sorcery in your graveyard, put a 2/2 black Zombie creature token onto the battlefield.

How do I git gud at draft?

>>46084023
practice

>>46083585
>but being able to NotQuitePreordain every turn
Opt. The card is called opt.

>>46084023
you draft a whole lot.

>>46083991
>Sorin maybe
Am I missing something? Can someone expand my 'anything past 4 mana is unplayable' mindset?

>>46084039

Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me.

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>>46084008
possibly translated wrong and is exile and return transform? i don't speak canadian pig latin.

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>>46084039
that art

>>46084034
>>46084050
Alrighty

Guess I should get drafting

>>46084008
The transform ability says to untap him:
>5, T, sacrifice five creatures: Transform and untap Ormendahl, Profane Prince.

>>46084023
BREAD but seriously, just get out there and practice. There are draft practice websites though they aren't that great..

>>46084023
cheat.

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>>46084054
he's the clear best one here but without knowing what you'd actually use him in you may never see value shmuck, pull the trigger or don't

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>>46084080
i cheat against the people on drugs because we're both on drugs and i think that makes any social contract void

>>46084081
was that art done in poser?

>>46084023
Have a good understanding of the sets commons and uncommons.

Decent practice is to build the best deck out of commons in each color. It helps you recognize the colors strength in the set. IE sometimes a color will have a bunch of good 2 drops which means you can pass on them till later in draft while another color might only have 1 good 2 drop.

>>46083427

It'll be a nice option for budget points.

>>46083085
WE

>>46084117
Probably something similar. WotC uses a lot of 3D models in their art nowadays and probably standardizes their tools. Chances are the artist said "send me all your angel models", chose his favorite, made a few tweaks, posed it, then did some post-processing and called it a day

>>46082856
At least the art on it is pretty good.

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>>46083484
>direct damage
>Orzhov gets a Boros ability

Why is this allowed?

>>46084203
Green got a draw a card effect this set. Fuck the color wheel.

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>>46084203
>this was in Sorin vs Tibalt DD
Anon, I...

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>>46084232
Green is officially second in card draw, next to black and behind blue.

>>46084250
Why is it MaRo only loses his shit when green and red break the color wheel?

>>46084203
>>46084232
It's like this set is about insanity.
Honestly though, most of the design decisions in this set bother me.
Art, mechanics, writing. It doesn't really live up to the original Innistrad.

>>46084203
Mono-black gets that effect often enough.

Consume Spirit
Corpse Lunge
Corrupt
Covenant of Blood

>>46084203
He cant damage players

>>46084250
I'm still full on mad this card didn't depict Sorin

>>46084274
Because as long as he doesn't knock blue, starcityjews will keep throwing him bales of cash

>>46084304
Go to bed, chandere

>>46084274
Beats me. I'm still waiting for more not!counterspells in Red through the use of redirect effects.

>>46084203
lifedrain is pretty well established as an orzhov ability.

>>46084278
Yeah. I also think investigate might be a lot more powerful than what people are giving it credit for. instant speed 2 colorless draw a card.

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No idea on translation

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>>46082856
Ah, there we go, the first boring mythic no one wants to see has finally been revealed, it felt too good to be true that every mythic would be either fun or playable. Overall I am pretty satisfied with the set despite this.

>>46084274
Are you fucking kidding me? He's actively fucking giving new shit to green from other color's slices

>>46083825
>"PLANESWALKER. I, THE LORD OF THE PIT, HAVE RESPONDED TO YOUR SUMMONS. WITH WHAT DO YOU WISH ME TO DO BATTLE?"
>"That."
>"NAH, PRETTY SURE THAT'S JUST THE WIND. CALL ME WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING ACTUALLY THERE FOR ME TO FIGHT." *returns to the hand*

>>46084327
Yah, drain, target -loses- x life. This is direct damage.

>>46084334
Yeah, having the ability to draw for 2 at the end of your opponents turn is going to be fantastic for blue and create even more paranoia.

>>46084346
"Nontoken creatures gain +1/+1 and vigilance."

>>46084346
fucking moonspeak.

>>46084346
"Angels be crazy, fucking crazy bitches, Lili you a crazy bitch but you a correct crazy bitch, Innistrad is cray cray"
- Jace "get me outta this crazy bitch plane" Belern

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>>46084334
Oh, and there are still some artifact supports as well.

>>46084362
You're a funny guy.

>>46084352
Yet he bitches and moans over shit like Song of the Dryads and Ezuri's Predation.

>>46084370
Thanks!

>>46084362
The idea is that the creature you summoned was 'just the wind'.

>>46084370
An edict with vigilance?

Not half bad

>>46083985
Unless you somehow give him flash, Reflector Mage won't hit the table until after this guy has swung in for 9 lifelink damage.

>>46084370
Any idea on the flavor text?

>>46084368
>deals x damage, gain x life

how is this different than extort, death to the debtless, death's grasp, vizkopa guildmage, or any of the other drain cards in the orzhova arsenal?

>>46084346
>>46084370
Dang, that's a nice anthem.

I was always surprised White Weenies never took off in Theros block. Spear of Heliod LOOKED like a great card.

>>46084384

Maro is so fucking retarded

>"A bloo bloo bloo! Adding several entirely green effects into a single card totally makes it a not-green effect!"

>>46084274
WB in particular gets a free pass because WB is considered to have very little as a color combination.

W has a lot of color identity. Black has a lot of color identity. WB as a combination doesn't.

Also, Death Grasp is a reprint from fucking Apocalypse.

>>46084384
Meanwhile has he ever addressed the weird blue thing where they let blue answer creatures on the field with exile as long as they replace it? Cause I always found that to be a violation of the color pie, polymorph should just change the nature of the card, not remove it from the game.

>>46084203
Really? Damage and Drain has been in black for quite a while. It's even sort of Sorin's signature "thing" -- Sorin's Thirst and Sorin's Vengeance both do it, and it shows up on Sorin's very first Planeswalker card as well.

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>>46084410
>edict
Anon, no! That's BAD magic! White mages use anthems!

>>46084428
Still, White Weenies were tier 2, or 1.5 at best.

>>46084410
>edict

Meant anthem there. Is paying double white worth it /spoilerGeneral/?

>>46084081
>Get some way to make this a pinger
>Pewpewpew

>>46084433
Admittedly, "deal three damage to each creature you opponent's control" isn't a very green effect, even if you might get some beasts afterwards.

>>46084448
UW Heroic probably WW's job better. And even that was tier 1.5.

>>46084346
Mardu Vamps is...go?

>>46084436
Polymorph has been a staple blue ability for a very very very long time.

There are dozens of cards that do it, both in old sets and new sets.

>>46082856
Gotta fill those mythic slots with something.

>>46084436
We're talking about Mark "Blue can do that" Rosewater here anon, you already know the answer.

>>46084462

>"If I pretend to be retarded and bend the words then I can totally pretend that "Fight" isn't a green effect"

Stop.

>>46084062
i miss the days when magic had weird art sometimes

like, all the art now looks too samey and boring

>>46084384
Meanwhile they give green better draw and tutors with every set but you don't see anything like that for their native colors

>>46083416
I'm sick of see jace's face in mostly every set. disappoint/10

>>46084482
That's why I wish they wouldn't make 15 mythics a set if they can't find 15 cards to fit the slot. That red hound and this shitty tutor really aren't anything to write home about.

>>46084473
I am aware, I just think it should stop already, if they're gonna be anal about strict color restrictions, then they should stay truer to blue's and not give them any way to actually answer a card already on the field that isn't bounce.

>>46084497
Green has been the best color in magic for a few years now. They just use blue as a scapegoat for their bans and an excuse to not give red anything playable.

>>46084446
Holy crap, there are MtG Puchis? Are there any more?

>>46084517
someone posted a red one in one of the spoiler threads last night.

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>>46084493
BFZ and OATH aside, the art still looks varied and different enough in some cards, its just a shame that they go for the more "cgi" looking style when they want to do art consistency.

>>46084446
White Mages use Crusades, you mean.

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>>46084446
white mages suck dick enchantress is the only legacy deck i wanna play

>>46083971
This poster obvious doesnt play limited.

Its too expensive to bother with in limited, and even then what would you search out with it?

>>46084491
Fight is a green effect and obviously Maro is fine with dudes that fight and even dudes that fight on ETB. But a spell that fights is really a different beast.

Get it? Eh. I'm not getting into the argument. Blue hasn't actually twisted the color pie in any recent block set. Commander and coresets is always full of trashy color bending cards. Look at Hornet Queen.

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>>46084517
>MtG Puchis
I don't know what a Puchi is, but I downloaded five of these off Pixiv a while back for some reason. They look like they were traced in MS Paint.

>>46082856
three black mythics this set? Are they upping the number of mythics or something? cause green has fuck all

>>46084504
I get the logic. If you answer a dude by making it another dude, it isn't really removal, it is just like a permanent shrink.

>>46084502
Well I don't know about the shitty tutor but the red hound is a limited bomb at least.

Keep in mind that a fuckton of their money is made from drafts, which is why Geralf's Masterpiece is a mythic despite being absolute shit and likely unplayable anywhere else.

>>46084573

>"Spells that create big tokens isn't a green effect!"
>"Bloo bloo Hornet Queen!"

Are you sure you aren't Maro in disguise?

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>>46084531
Well, whatever they are, I think they're cute.

>>46084370
Tangible Virtue?

>>46083950
Couldn't this be used to great effect in a token deck? It doesnt specify what has to be sacrificed and doesnt say nontokens. Plus as a land in default it can be thrown into any deck.

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>>46084436
reality shift turns out to be less impressive in practice than one would expect. i tried it in three different blue decks and each time it was not a real "answer"

>>46084586
I'm gonna run it in Skaab casual. It'll be fun to discard bodies for more stuff to make skaabs out of.

Fuck, I love Skaabs. They are my fucking favorite thing ever.

>>46082856
why the fuck do they always overcost mythics with interesting effects?
>muh limited
yeah yeah, fuck off

>>46083872

It trigger prowess and let's you dank dwell turn 3.

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>Want to start brewing
>Biggest change to deck will be retooling the manabase
>Only duals revealed are the limited taplands

Fuck you Wizards. Just reveal the new lands already.

>>46083872
The ability should have costed just R

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>>46084567
I prefer the vanilla art. the switch of perspective is great.

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>>46084604
Filename is the Pixiv image ID, for whatever that's worth.

>>46084613
Well, if you compare it to Diabolic Revelation...

It's one mana cheaper, but you have to discard your hand and can't select a number other than three.

>>46084582
Its flavorful, but the problem is it still gets rid of the actual card, when blue is supposedly not able to do that like red can't hit enchantments. I know in practice they aren't actually that stellar, but its still something they twist unfairly in blue's favor while they complain about bends in other colors.

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I REALLY want to play W/G human/angel fuckery with her as the core and possibly >>46083950 included as well.

It's looking pretty grim for that being remotely viable, doesn't it?

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>>46084610
yeah, anyone shitting on it is just hating. it's a perfectly acceptable card in a variety of builds.

>>46083950
You know we live in a world where Secure the Wastes exists.

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>>46084640
But seriously the guy doesn't even know how to use the paint bucket tool.

>>46084635
That seems like a really bad idea

>>46084638
she's hardly elusive

I mean, the dude brought his sword with him to the library. He isn't even reading a book, just brooding and waiting.

>>46083344
I really hope I open this at prerelease. People are going to be milling themselves hard to try and hit delirium, this is going to be a 1 hit KO.

>Talent of the Telepath
>Sphinx's Revelation
>Startled Awake

Standard mill is back?

>>46084654
The set isn't even fully spoiled, give it time, its just most likely you aren't getting anymore mythic rarity fuel.

>>46084675
>That seems like a really bad idea
why?

>>46084578
It's an idolm@ster thing, they're basically chibi versions of the idols that focus hard on one or two of the traits of their respective idol. The manga and the anime are pretty funny if you know the in-jokes.

>>46084567
Ok so this works like:

>Beginning of combat of my turn
> Pay, pitch a card to transform
>Attack with Mist, and it connects, pay 2B
>Player takes 4?

>>46084654
Can't use the Abbey in a Selesnya deck. So yeah, not viable at all

>>46084692
more or less

>>46084678
Pretty sure that's a bottle of booze, not a sword.

>>46084702
>Can't use the Abbey in a Selesnya deck

What? Yes you can

>>46084667
Yeah but thats the issue with it over something like Withengar. Granted this seems easier to achieve in a token deck than using Elbrus in a Voltron but im wondering about its efficacy in other playstyles.

For example i could see this being used in a creature heavy Animar deck in EDH or a lategame in standard since you crap out more creatures there.

Sorry if im rambling but feel free to take a swing at my theories.

>>46084702
He's saying he wants to run it in standard with her and that as key cards, not that he wants to run the demon land in edh with her as a commander.

>>46084591
Hornet Queen is not a green card. You know this. Everyone knows this. It is 5 tiny fliers.

As for the fight card, as an example, let me make a Blue card that does something not blue by using blue mechanics.

"Target creature gets +0/+5 until end of turn. Switch target creature's power and toughness until end of turn."

All Blue mechanics and technically fair in terms of color pie. You get the problem? I know Green doesn't get enough toys. And I know it should get more.

Especially in sets like Commander when we have to deal with the dozens of color pie abortions throughout MTG's history. Which is why I personally don't give a shit about them printing that card.

But I understand someone who ONLY gives a shit about 60 card casual (ie. Maro) not wanting that sort of thing. EDH is just not what MTG is really designed for, which is why colors like R and W end up being fucking awful.

>>46084702
Never did I mention EDH. I meant a regular ol' deck built around her.

>>46084708
Fuck I'm an idiot, I thought this was the EDH thread. Ignore me

Brew what thou wish, anon

>>46084688
6 mana on turn 3 makes for a very explosive turn. Pentad Prism was already very playable back in the day and this is basically the same thing, but color restricted.

>>46084702
He didn't specify EDH only though.

>>46084203
>he's never heard of Drain Life

>>46084706
I guess the arm of the chair looks like a sword to me.

But booze is more dangerous. I'd be more wary of the guy swinging a bottle around than someone with a tiny dagger.

>>46084667
Hoping we get some more interesting rare transforming equipments.

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>>46084736
>more wary of a drunk guy swinging a bottle than the transforming vampire assassin

>>46084729
I had that issue earlier today when I posted the zombie giant in the edh thread before I posted it in the spoiler thread.

>>46084648
As I mentioned in another post, the idea is that the color pie is built with normal MTG rules. ie. 20 life, relatively short games, primarily single player.

And in that context, switching a 4/3 flyer with a 3/3 ape isn't really getting rid of the problem. Things like that.

What's even going on with the flavor of this set? Why is Sorin killing Avacyn?

>>46084756
what are you going to do, stab me?

>>46084654
Disappointing. Also, the lack of Heron angels in the rest of the set is disappointing. The absence of Thalia as well.

>>46083738 You seem to have messed up your link to >>46083318 by mistake.
>>46083344 That art is atrocious. Did they find MS Paint's "invert color" option and decided to show it off?

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you want some flavour kid?

>>46084780
Avacyn got corrupt by some evil voodoo shit and is going full MUST CLEANSE PLANE mode and Sorin ain't having none of that shit.

>>46084799
The set isn't even completely spoiled yet you tit

>>46084799
We might still get them tomorrow.

>>46084810
The Maurers fucked like rabbits.

Or had a fondness for pairs.

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>>46084671
i do

>>46084799
Well they gotta save some shit for the next set, you know. Once Avacyn and flights Moonsilver, Goldnight, and Alabaster fall, only Sigarda and the Herons will still be there to fight whatever the fuck comes out of the ocean/moon.

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>>46084683
it never left as long as you play fnm constructed standard
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/goofy-bullshit/

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>>46084780
Nahiri is fucking pissed at Sorin for
1. not appearing when she needed his and Ugin's help to prevent the Eldrazi from fucking shit up
2. something unknown when Sorin and Nahiri met up, they've had a falling out or something since
3. Sorin and Nissa traveling to the Eye of Ugin and the release of the Eldrazi fucking the plane up
So Nahiri is now on Innistrad going "FUK U SORIN" and the plane is fucking with Avacyn. Avacyn is going mad and killing humans. Sorin is like NUH UH! YOU ARE GROUNDED and then kills her. Now Sorin and Nahiri are gonna sword fight because Nahiri is killing all of Sorin's homies.

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>>46083240
>obviously fake name
>that edgy furry deviantart clipart "art"
>low resolution
>sharp corners
>ridiculously overpowered
>all these dippy kids thinking this is a real card

Someone is really punking you with these rectangular cards, but you still just don't get it. You'll fall for it every time.

Welcome to neo-/tg/...a bad place...

>>46084833
Mardu Vamps looks interesting

>>46084767
Depends on context, while its true a 4/3 flyer or a 3/3 ape or frog beast doesn't make it completely less threatening, vanilla creatures with no protection are gonna be less threatening than whatever you decided was worthy of trading for a 4/3 or 3/3.

I don't want polymorph gone, far from it, I like that they thought of a way to make it work within the game rules, I just don't think it should be removing the original cards in any fashion. Off the top of my head, maybe a counter that changes the nature of the card for as long as the counter is on the card, I feel that would make more sense and less of a violation of blue's apparent cans and can't.

>>46084810
If Innistrad vampires are "turned" as pre-teens are they stuck looking like that for all eternity?

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>>46084692
or the other way, swing, if something happens troll-pool your way out vlad get out of my mtg

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>>46084736

>>46084865
not sure if bait

>>46084897
he's been posting it all day though before it was to the new sorin.

>>46084885
Eh. Not unreasonable. I imagine the only reason they haven't gone for that sort of thing is due to the complexity of it.

>>46084780
Chick went crazy so he had to put her down

>>46084638
Gee, that green mist is certainly non-threatening.

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>>46084891
yes, innistrad has your 400 year old lolis

also i'm out of good spoilers

>>46084896
>drunk angels
wizards please make this

>>46084944
As others have noted, the art implies that the guy is drunk off his ass (And possibly unconscious).

>>46084950
Well I'm going to sleep soon so you can take over for posting the new spoilers.

>>46084683
talent of the telepath is worth a possible three counters off thing in the ice

>>46084958
What do you think happened here>>46084346? They are hung over.

>>46084981
yeah but I want to get sigarda buzzed as an actual game mechanic

>>46083484
Welp, BR vampires this season it is then

>>46085001
Nah she doesn't drink that's why she's not going around burning shit down.

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Not!Vindicate only uses part of the art, I wonder what the other part will be.

>>46085015
don't be like that bby, it'll be fun

>>46085024
>That flavor text
my sides

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alright gents, give me the SOI game day list that is gonna make this guy get me one of these >>46083578 with the upkeep trigger winning as many games as possible

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>>46084950
>also i'm out of good spoilers
You forgot these two green cards spoiled today. REALLY pushing the envelope with these guys, I don't know what Wizards is thinking

>>46083590
Ooooh fuck. I just realized.

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>>46085053
And this one is going to break Standard wide open, better get to pre-ordering it as soon as it's available before it spikes. Thank God Wizards has the foresight to put it at rare, it would warp limited far too much and probably ruin the entire block

>>46085051
dazzling reflection and profound journey for sure, grasp of darkness and >>46083578 plus new sorin?

>>46085053
i forgot this one and i do admittedly hate green

>>46085080
i remain unimpressed

>>46085053
>>46085080
I'm still mad. These should both be fucking commons.

Fuck NWO. It's the reason why limited is shit now.

>>46085053
They want some decent cards with delirium.

I don't know why you guys are freaking out. Eladamri's Call has existed forever.

>>46084816
It's like you've never watched a spoiler season before. These are the cards they want us to be excited about. These are their priorities.

>>46083240
You guys remember that Managorger deck from a while back? The one that ate removal and giggled at boardnuke? That's where this goes.
Oh, with added Prophaner of the Dead, 'cause reasons.

>>46083590
Holy shit you're right.

>>46084054
Seems decent in Esper or EDH. Especially EDH, god damn.

>>46085112
>These should both be fucking commons.
Spotted the Pauper player.
This set bring us nothing.

>>46085230
you mean spotted the draft player

>>46084633
Perhaps they want to reel in the most expensive part of deckbuilding for a change?

>>46085230
that's the thing, I don't play pauper. Just draft, with a side of vintage.

>>46083590
Oh my god...

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What futureshifted mechanic do you think they'll try out in Eldritch Moon?

>>46085277
gravestorm

>>46085277
gravestorm

>>46084567
>can't be blocked
>whenever it attacks and isn't blocked
What the fuck is the point of that second stipulation?

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>>46085230
By my count there have only been 30 commons spoiled so far, a number of which are reprints or obligatory cantrip effects and curve-fillers. There's usually like 100 or more commons in a large set, right?

How about Shamble Back or >>46083825 Just the Wind? Those seem alright. But I don't know what the Pauper meta looks like. Is that the one that allows uncommons or am I thinking of something else?

>>46085305
With all these GY-matters cards and sacrifice outlets, that would be a flavor and mechanic home run, goddamn.

>>46082901
Mono Black EDH can cast Mind Twist for 7 on the blue faggot, then damnation, then this, then Mikaeus and Triskelion and have mana open for the backup Living Death.

Other than that, nobody's paying 7 for one with nothing then tutor 3.

>>46085348

Some spells/effects can make a creature become blocked. Unblockable doesn't help in those instances, just like "creatures can't attack" doesn't prevent a creature from coming onto the battleifled tapped and attacking.

>>46083109
A ramp deck could have the ability to hit that tamyo's journal cost and get out stomps earlier than 7 mana can.

>>46085348
Probably has something to do with the cards that can block it.

>>46085348
Triggers in the damage phase instead of the declare attackers phase.

>>46085377
And also there's TWO fucking cards that can block shit that can't be blocked

>>46085351
I really like Shamble Back. You get rid of a card in an opponents grave (possibly preventing delirium/gravefuckery effects), you get a body, and you get some life.
If it were Instant or "May Exile" it would be a perfect card.

>>46085458
Way too strong at instant speed.

>>>46085351 Is that the one that allows uncommons or am I thinking of something else?
No you're thing of Pauper.

>Just the Wind
This is almost always worse than Unsummon, and way worse than Vapor Snag.
>Shamble Back
Between the Khans Refuges and the Ravnica Bouncelands small non-repeatable lifegain is underwhelming.
2/2 is a relevant statline, but you won't be casting it on turn 1 and it doesn't have a relevant ability.
Might see play as a sideboard card against Burn for Mono Black Control? Probably not even that.

>>46084023
Draft a lot and talk to people who are already gud at draft. Have a look at their decks. Let them tell you their tactics. Keep in mind every set is almost like a different game when it comes to draft. What was great in one set could be a trap in the next one. Or it's vice versa. Like with Bonesaw.

>>46085250
I'm not asking for good, eternal staple dual lands

I just want to know what they're going to be.

>>46085473
not even slightly

>>46085458
If the exile were optional, it's be a 2/2 that gains you 2 life for 1 mana.

>>46084570
Yeah you'd have to open back-to-back bombs to make this worth it in limited.

>>46085473
Because Vile Rebirth totally wrecked standard.

>>46082976
>if a 7cmc sorcery doesn't affect the board state, it's probably a commander card.
I think you mean "Win the game or get you next to that", board state interaction is irrelevant for big cost spells, if they're not "yeah you basically win the fucking game" they're shit.

>>46085642
>not drafting 3+ of those zombie sorceries for 5U and go NOCREATURESJUSTSPELLSLOL all day

>>46084950
>tfw the average /tg/ tard thinks that's good
Literally the worst shit ever
>i wanna go to a fun ride!
>nope! this tall only!
>I wanna dri-
>Nope! Adults only!
>I-i'm 500 ye-
>My ass, fuck off kid
>NOBODY will take you seriously
>Pedos are in fact creeps

20-30 years>Every other age to be immortal.

>>46085888
>going to amusement parks
>wanting to drive
Otherwise I agree with you.

>>46086004
The drive thing is actually pretty relevant when you realize you do need a bunch of special crap to just live.
Half of the day the outside world is LITERALLY lethal. You go out during day time? Fucking dust.
There is zero things for someone who is/looks underage to do at night.

>>46086043
Only Nosferatu died to sunlight, everyone else has been making fun of it ever since.

>>46086083
90% of popular interpretations go off that sun=dead.

Otherwise you're basically nearly immortal except for a niche thing, extremely powerful shape-shifter wizard that flies and only gets "sightly" depowered at the sun, at which point this is irrelevant since you can just look like a 10 years old girl or a 50' powerlifter. Or any other assortment of bullshit.

>>46084856
It's Bolas doing everything.

>>46086083
Expanding on this, Bram Stroker's Dracula couldn't use most of his power's in sunlight.
But /almost all/ of Dracula's power's came from magic he learned at Scholomance, not from being a vampire.
Dracula also had a handlebar mustache.

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>>46086130
>>46086083
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/savor-flavor/planeswalkers-guide-innistrad-stensia-and-vampires-2011-11-02

Sun is not mentioned under weaknesses.

Which makes sense, given cards like this.

>>46086191
Innistrad vampire is EXTRA sucky (pun intended).
Mostly because you're in fucking innistrad.

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>>46086208
True, not a happy place for these bitches.

>>46086186
>>46086191
The article about Innistrad vampires mentions this as well, the magic thing.

Also, funny, that concept art looks a lot like Olivia Mobilized for War.

>>46086223
>Go take a stroll in the park
>Hello ple-
>"WUUUFFF WUUFFFF" one of them hulks out and starts to tear people appart
>Fuck this, get the fuck outa dodg-
>Monsters crawling out the water well
>Fly away
>The deceased spirits rise with anger

>>46082901
It isn't. Seven mana is way too much. If you can cast it and not die before you get a chance to play the cards you get with it you were likely already winning.

Is there any famous interplanar sea monster other than Marit Lage?

>>46086444
No, but considering how specific the name are, on most of these cards and most cards from the original Innistrad block, I'm still holding out for the Thousandfold Refraction of Rabiah.

>>46086300
Falling asleep must be a nightmare.
>Some Innistrad farmer or peasant trying to fall asleep to the sound of werewolves howling, devils cackling, vampires hissing and screeching, geists rattling chains, zombies moaning all within a twenty foot radius of their farm.
>"Well at least I don't have to worry about the angels."
>"Oh hey there's Avacy-"

>>46085374
But why add the extra line of words?
Just let the player chose whether or not they pay in that case.
Wanting to stop it from being able to unflipping sounds pretty conditional.

>>46086841
The actual reason is what's mentioned here>>46085377
This phrasing causes the trigger to happen after blockers are declared.

>>46085292
>>46085305
I'd pardon Wizard anything if they did this, even if it's likely to never happen.

>>46086914
Ten why make it a trigger at all?
What's wrong with transforming at any time?

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Omg a kinda legit werewolf, they actually did it the absolute madmans

>>46083085
I'm guessing that the way this is written, it triggers if you sacrifice the Clues for any reason and not just the activated ability on them?

>>46087698
You guess right.

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>>46084346
>reverse intangible virtue
all of the throwbacks to the original set are making me giddy

>>46083677
"Citation needed"

>>46083085
Why so many niggers in Innistrad, again?

>>46084067
Please do. Also maybe take notes of things that were lacking?

>>46084134
This was a really good tip

>>46084316
Go to bed conspiracy fags

>>46084865
Neo-/tg/ where people like you are allowed to post

>>46085112
Uh nah. Innistrad had good draft and that was fucking nwo.

>>46084274
Mark "if its not blue, its poo" Rosewater

>>46088419
Gonna have to remember that one. I almost want to make a horrifically overpowered PW for each name variant with nothing but off color abilities and email them to him.

>>46085112
>NWO ruined draft
>ROE and INN are the top two limited sets of all time
>both were made with NWO
>People talking about limited in /tg/ ever

>>46088587
>ROE

Maro has specifically stated this set ignored NWO to do what it did.