Shaka, when the walls fell

Garbage. She doesn't even have a boner anymore.

>>46052410
That name is terrible

>>46052448
You're a fucking faggot

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Her feet look like Chess pieces

>>46052593
As someone who identifies as a conglomeration of chess pieces, this resonates with me and gives me the validation I have long craved.
Keep up the good work WotC.

>>46052608
Can someone explain this to me? I thought Alesha was the only trans card. Is there another one now?

>>46052706
>trying to pretend it isn't obvious that 2016 isn't the year that Magic changes for the better
Your time is over, cis

>>46052706
Some pedantic faggots and closeted fetishists latched on to the old Olivia art because she "had a dick" when really it was just an error in the art. So they're shitposting about Olivia being trans or whatever the new flavor of the month boogeyman is. Just report the posts and move on.

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>>46052731
>Your time is over, Cis
>Implying All wont be one

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>>46052795

>>46052763
Nobody latched on to the idea, everyone just thought it was funny that it looked like she had a dick.

Some retards thought it was people seriously thinking she was trans, and started shitposting about how SJWs are ruining magic.

See: >>46052795


/tg/ is as retarded as it always has been.

>>46052826
>Nobody latched onto the idea
Is that why people are memeing about it 5 years later?

>>46052731
suck a nigger's cock, tumblr faggot

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I'm just sayin'

>>46052844
Oh, wait, I misread your post. I thought you were saying people legitimately thought she was trans.

Nah yeah I just like calling her Olivia Bonershorts.

>>46052844

It was a joke, you chucklefuck. It was OBVIOUS what happened. The artist, while drawing, just forgot what they'd done with the knee while they were drawing the feet and drew both without thinking about it. It did, however, create a comical visual effect that made it look like she had a HILARIOUSLY huge penis. It was a fucking joke.

Hell, they actually CALL IT OUT in the new art. See how her knee is *in plain view* and *clearly bent* there? The artist has pointedly corrected the error they originally made. Even the fucking artist thinks you're a reactionary cunt.

>>46052895
Jokes are supposed to be funny

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>>46052410
>make girl vampire 3-cost and aggressive meme

>>46052780
My vat mate

>>46052608
"Olivia" is a female name. I'm seeing a definite swell in the chest area. How is this card trans?

>>46052909
>implying implying that a woman has a penis isn't funny

>>46052410
Temba, his arms wide.

>>46053112
looks like that guy in the center right has a beard mask

>>46052410
For a second there before the image loaded I thought you were talking about SHAKARA!

>>46053123
you could really do alot of these with Magic lore

>>46053205
>starbucks
That made me chuckle

>>46053227
>Starbucks is the one constant throughout the Multi-verse

>>46052410

Where's her giant penis?

>>46053112
Couldn't she just be pulling her dress up like ladies would do to step over puddles and shit?

>>46052967
>Literally 2 of them
>plenty of examples of the opposite
Kinda cherrypicking there anon

>>46053250
Look at her hand

>>46052780
>>46052968
My Phyrexian brother from another vatmother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7itkvEGMa3Y

>>46053285

Yeah, the guy realized he fucked up pretty quickly after the fact. Fortunately, he's got a good enough sense of humor to reference it on her new art.

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>>46053160
>>46053177
>>46053347
Is that Joven and Baron Sengir?

>>46053425

I want Homelands legends to come back with random adjectives attached to their names.

>>46052410
>didn't continue the giant dick joke even though this art was just as suited for it as the original's
RUINED

>>46053441
I want Joven and Chandler to blow up new phyrexia.

>>46053266
>2 during the last two blocs

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Been reading through the SoI spoilers. Kinda hope, that I get olivia during the prerelease.

Anyway, sorry for being stupid - but could someone, tell me what this card does?

>>46053112
I always thought she was bending her knee which I'm sure is what the artist was going for but I just noticed her legs. That's actually hilarious

>>46053425

The sign is behind him on the first page, fourth panel , actually.

>>46053485
No. Fuck you, you've been reading spoilers. ANY spoiler site is going to put up a translation.

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>>46053160
>>46053177
>all the (white) males are aroused by a girl with a penis

>>46052410
Fuck that bitch
Where's Mikey?

>>46053515
Will be checking a few more sites then. Not everybody immedialy sees a translation, thank you anyway.

>>46053285
Too bad he didn't correct the grip.

>>46053551
also notice how all the men are just cartoons carrying funny facial expressions and all the women are particularly overly-drawn and attractive

>>46053585
That's how all lazy male cartoonists draw.

>>46052410
Is this a picture for ants?

>>46053485
Falkenrath Gorger
Creature - Vampire Berserker
Each Vampire creature card you own that isn't on the battlefield has madness. The madness cost is equal to its mana cost. (If you discard a card with madness, discard it into exile. When you do, cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard.)

>>46053771
>spoonfeeding

>>46053479
>More than 2 of the other kind in the last 2 blocks

>>46053473
>I want Joven and Chandler to steal new phyrexia.
FIFY

>>46053485
What's going on with your commas though

>>46052967
Also no cleavage

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>>46053831
>Phyrexia invades homelands
>Chandler and Joven are stealing all of their cool shit
>They finally merge the two planes are ready to convert everyone when Grandmother Sengir plays her apocalypse chime
>tfw

>>46053771
Thanks. Just checked it out myself, after being told about the translations.

>>46053885
Can´t write as well, as I talk english. It´s not my native language.

Different topic, but was is the general opinion of the new sigarda?

>play madness vampire
>play olivia
>play vampire, discard vampire, play it, discard another vampire, play it, discard vampire play it

>>46054004
Disregard the sigarda question. Accidentally posted it in the wrong thread.

>>46054054
As long as you have another madness enabler (heir, ravenous, lightning axe), you can use Olivia to dump a hand of vampires during your opponent's turn.

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>>46053112

>>46054201
You could also do it on your turn to benefit from the haste.

>>46052410
>That fucking name
>Still not as good as Nighthawk even with being legendary and two color
Might as well play something else.

>>46052858
... That she's wearing a skirt?

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> "Long ago," said Liliana. "And yes, that kind of run-in was a lot more common then. But I see no reason to believe he's changed. Sorin has no more reason to be friendly to you than this other Planeswalker you've been talking to, and his take on not speaking to you might just be to kill you. Don't go."

> "That's not an option," said Jace.

> "He's ancient, he's ruthless, and he's powerful. You're in over your head."

> "I'm in over my head?" said Jace. "You're one to talk."

> "Yes," said Liliana. There was no more mirth in her voice. "I am. And I am telling you, don't go. He's not going to help you, and you can't clever your way out of being killed by a millennia-old vampire."

>>46053279
different guy, but I did, and that's what I thought that hand was doing. the pointer finger is out, but it was the back fingers you'd use to hold up your dress if you're being fancy.

>>46057586
Are we complaining about how MtG story writing is shit? Because I'd agree in general, except for when they write Liliana. I feel they write Liliana REALLY well.

>>46057586
>millennia-old vampire.
Please tell me they did this. It has to be real.

>>46057735
they did, and while it's not great writing it's not bad enough to actually be noteworthy.

How the fuck is that a useable sword?

When are spear fans going to get some love?

>>46057805
>complaining about impractical sword
pleas, by MTG standards that thing is boring and functional

>spear fans.
Avacyn's weapon is spear. So... now.

>>46057805
Could be a ceremonial one, look at Final Fantasy XII, they had some swords just like this one, but they had the decency to make them ceremonial ones, or Oath swords.

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>>46057805
>>46057879
Sorry, forgot pic

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>>46057735
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/unwelcome-2016-03-16
I still can't tell whether this is acknowledgement of a mistake, or a 'fuck you, haters'.

>>46057730
It's a reference to this terrible, awful flavor text in pic.

>>46057932
while that text is terrible, it's because of the clunkiness and run on nature.

While the story text might be a reference to the flavor text, it's also an example of how editing can make the same idea into better writing.

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This is fucking incredible, best card spoiled so far and nobody is talking about it?

>>46058126
its shit mate

>>46058126
modal fof, nice for control and enables delirium
pretty good, but basically just for control

>>46058126
>an opponent chooses one of those piles
>an opponent chooses one of those piles
>an opponent chooses one of those piles

>>46058126

I like it too, but you don't get to pick the pile, which makes it considerably worse than Fact of Fiction. You also reveal one less card for the same mana.

If we are done talking about Olivia's horsecock can we talk about BR vampires?

I'm trying to come up with a mardu equipment deck or Jund variant to use Collected Company, any thoughts?

>>46058126
>1U: draw one
>3U: draw two
>5U: draw three
really not seeing the potential there

>>46058215
>>46058206

You're supposed to put good shit in each pile, so that no matter what the opponent chooses, you still win.

>>46058256
Yeah, except you literally never get that one card that would save your ass.

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IT'S ACTUALLY GOOD THIS TIME

>>46058206
Making the player choose would make it too good.
Remember modern mantra: blue can't have nice things unless they are creatures.

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Best commander?

>>46058246
>1U
do you honestly think anyone would ever do that?

>>46058282
>another fucking Jace
We are past the point where wizard needs to stop

>>46058282
Probably the most generically good expensive Jace.

>>46058364
>you and humans have haste
>but sigarda eats all the removal
I mean, she's not had, but best?

>>46058388
>haste
wow I can't spell hexproof

>>46058388
I want to play Human/Angel tribal in Standard with Odric now.

It's not perfect but it looks pretty gimmicky-fun.

>>46058370
not until the all jace EDH deck is a reality. if you can't play jace every turn their job is not done.

>>46058364

No Hexproof, no waifu.

>>46058246
>1U draw the worst of the 2 top cards of your deck
>3U draw 1 good card, 2 alright cards, or 3 shit cards
>5U Ain't nobody got time fo dat.

>>46052410
The beast, at Tanagra

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>>46058282
Thats pretty fucking great, he can bounce tokens and annoying shit, keep the card advantage stream going and his ult is a bitch.
>tfw swing with ulamog, then bounce it and cast again.

>>46058459
>playing shit cards
there's your problem.

>>46058206
>>46058284
>the opponent chooses therefore it's dogshit
/tg/ once again demonstrating their amazing card evaluation. Fact or Fiction, I Win!

>>46058366
Yeah.
>good opening hand but only two lands
>you'll sure draw the third
>you don't
>before your third turn (end of opponents turn) cast this for 1U
>hope opponent makes you take land because he assumes you're not the kind of an idiot that would keep opening hand with just two lands

Manascrew is one hell of a drug, I've seen people Vampiric Tutor for Swamp.

>>46058282

2UU

4 and 4 loyalty would have been much better.

>>46058431
you mean jace tribal anon

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>>46058364
Your waifu a shit.
My husbando a best.

>>46058564
No I mean they are going to print 60ish unique jaces, minimum. prodigy of vryn is already there for the commander.

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>>46058564
this works on 'walkers?

>>46058615
No, walkers go by a Uniqueness rule. Different rule.

>>46058525
Steam Augury sure saw lots and lots of play.

>>46058615
no, that is the "planeswalker uniqueness rule" which doesn't roll off the tongue quite so well.

>>46058628
>>46058681
For shame, we need... a similar thing that would work on walkers.

>>46058637
>mandatory UR, keeping you out of esper
>non-modular
Granted I don't think this card is amazing, but its a hell of a lot better than steam augury

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>>46058615

The legend rule does not exist anymore, since M15 if I recall correctly, so what does this do now??? And does it have any good uses?

>>46052410

What happened to her horsecock?

>>46053642
the artist is female

>>46058728
You recall wrong, but it's okay, we all know /tg/ is shit at Magic.

>>46058728
the legend rule still exists, but now you can only have one copy of a legend under your control, rather than only one on the battlefield.

>>46058728
>The legend rule does not exist anymore
I don't think you could be more wrong

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>>46058126
Remember how Steam Augury was so fucking incredible and no one was ever disappointed by it and it remained a format staple to this day?

Me neither.

>Angels are evil
Just like my JPRPGs!

>>46058134
>>46058206
>>46058215
>>46058246

>all these retards can't even into Fact or Fiction
Reading those responses made me physically upset

>>46052706
Alesha isn't even fucking trans. She just wears armor and leads her people. Or are you implying only men can fight, wear armor, and lead people, you sexist privileged fuck?

>>46060471
I think you got the direction of the gender swap mixed up. Alesha has a penis and is pretending he does not.

>>46060471
Well in this case anon would be right, wouldn't he?

>>46053551
What manner of faggot doesn't like girl-cock?

>>46060451
That card is reverse Fact or Fiction. That does not make it a good thing. That makes it Steam Augury, which fucking sucks. You're the retard here, anon.

>>46060200
The diference is that the cost being X means its going to be great in my EDH deck.

>>46060451
>all these retards can't even get why FoF is good and beloved

Reading these responses made me physically upset

Alesha is canonically referred to with female pronouns. To refer to Alesha with male pronouns is to disregard the canon of MtG and to resort to your personal headcanon.

>>46060590
>wanting to play shitty bootleg Fact or Fiction in EDH
>a format in which you can actually play Fact or Fiction
You're the reason every shitty spoiler gets described as "EDH fodder".

>>46060622
You say this like MtG canon is something we all revere here.

>>46058126
So what happens when u pay 0 for X? I draw one card? Can't put one card into two piles

>>46060556
Heterosexual ones.
You know, the ones who actually fuck girls.

>>46060654
If you're going to talk about a subject, you should at least acknowledge the canon of the subject.

I mean, I don't revere ASOIAF but I don't run around pretending that Cersei's a strong independent black woman and that Jaime is a FtM trannie. Similarly, you shouldn't run around pretending that male pronouns are used for Alesha when she uses female ones in the canon. If you're going to discuss a topic, at least be factual on it.

>>46060715
You're allowed to make piles of 0. So you just mill yourself for 1 most of the time.

>>46060738
I don't think anyone is discussing the storyline seriously here, just poking fun at the character. This is like getting autistically mad at people calling Olivia "Horsecock" Voldaren a dickgirl for kicks. If this were the lore thread your autismo might be acceptable, but this is not. Calm down.

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>>46058282
His ult is litterally screaming "i was intended to be a Tamito card but I'm Jace now".

>>46060738
Alesha is canonically a MtF transsexual. She refers to herself with the feminine pronoun because that's how she views herself. The writers refer to her with feminine pronouns because that's how they write and that's what gets them the most tumblrbucks. If someone decides to refer to her as a "he", that doesn't mean they're disregarding canon, they're not saying "he's not a tranny", they're saying "he's a tranny and I refer to those people by the pronoun appropriate for the biological gender".

This has literally fucking nothing to do with canon.

>>46059174
I wonder who they are talking to.
I hope it's Tamiyo

>>46060789

Calm your tits.

We're getting a Tamiyo next set for sure.
I'm guessing UW to make her different from Jace but still.

>>46060805
It's still the incorrect pronoun in accordance with canon. Personal politics have nothing to do with it.

Does anyone have a link to the old New Phyrexia story where the scientist does a diary/log of his slow corruption via oil? It ends with him splicing himself onto a woman that he was working with at the beginning of the tale. Google-Fu's pretty weak.

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>>46060789
>Tamito
Oh well.

>>46060840
>in accordance with the character*
Fixed that for you. I don't think Nissa views or believes herself to be a total bitch but that shouldn't stop anyone from calling her that because "In accordance to canon she is a good girl".

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>>46060826
I won't stop worrying until we're sure of it.

>>46060840

>Personal politics have nothing to do with it
You don't seem to be upset when we refer to Liliana as Lili, or Olivia as "Horsecock".
So I wager personal politics is the only fucking reason you care.

>>46060860
I did have it, along with a bunch of other stories from Scars, but it was on the Wizards forums which were taken down for some reason. I had an itching to read the Skithiryx story recently so I'm pretty annoyed about it too.

>>46060917
Opinion of a character is a subjective thing. Pronouns are not.

>>46060978
Clearly they are.

>>46060978

Yes they are.
Look at fucking tumbr, they're making up new ones every day.

People think differently than you, and I know its hard to understand but you are just going to have to accept that.

>>46060978
You're right, they're a biological fact not a cute title you change on a whimsy.

>>46060840
No, it's not. Alesha is male, and identifies as a woman, that much is indisputable, this isn't about your beliefs or social justice. Whether someone wants to refer to that as "he" or "she" is entirely up to them, and saying that using "he" to refer to a male is wrong is fucking retarded, because selecting gendered pronouns based on biological sex rather than assigned gender identity is still grammatically correct. The inverse is also grammatically correct. You get to fucking decide if you call her "he" or "she" and neither option is ignoring canon you dense fucking shit.

>>46060934
Found the one I was looking for!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/mirrodin-site-unctus-synod-2011-05-27

I'm also kinda peeved that a lot of the older lore stories are just poof. I'd like to see them bring back their old host servers or w/e reason that they're not accessible.

>>46060789
I can already imagine a sperg punching his keyboard in rage and mispelled Tamiyo

>>46061127
More like i didn't verify before posting Anon. But whatever's your headcanon, i don't mind.

>>46060840

>It's still the incorrect pronoun in accordance with canon

No it's not.

He is a he that wants to be called she, that's what's going on inside the actual canon.

>>46061432
The narrator uses 'she' though and there's no reason for you to doubt the narrator or assume it is incorrect in its use of pronouns.

>>46061529

It is canonical fact that he is a tranny.

The narrator uses 'she' because the narrator apparently considers transsexualism a valid thing and not a mental disorder that should be discouraged.

The opinion of the narrator on the legitimacy of transsexualism has no impact on my opinion on the subject.

>>46061590
And why is your opinion more valid than the narrator's on matters that exist within a setting of the narrator's creation? The narrator has greater authority there than you do.

>>46061625

Are you trying to argue that being a tranny is somehow fundamentally different because it's a fictional world?

Because that's fucking retarded.

The use of 'she' reflects a value judgement on a certain subject, just like if a narrator had called someone "beautiful" or commented on the nature of someone's character or the morality of a certain action. It is not objective just because the narrator chooses to present it in a certain way.

>>46052448
What are you talking about? She is clearly hiding a massive dong in that dress.

My guess is that she's using it as a rudder to keep her flight stable.

>>46058364
>Return to Linvala paints her as an action hero in tit armor and she loses her "silence" related abilities/theme
>Return to Avacyn involves her going insane and gaining a flip ability where each side is anti-synergistic
>Return to Sigarda loses her own hexproof and becomes a non-Human tribal card for Humans
Hell, I can even remember when
>Return to Akroma gets uncounterability AND the morph keyword
Please, Wizards, I'm begging you, No more. Angel of Fury was still pretty fucking cool because she's got pro white and firebreathing and can be snuck in early, and this Sigarda still more or less resembles the old one even if it's nowhere near as good. But the roulette game is slowly killing me inside.

>>46061687
In Magic, a sliver is not a piece of something cut away from a whole that it was previously part of. Sliver has a separate definition within this setting and within this setting, perhaps gender dysphoria has a definition separate from whatever definition you have within your mind.

Nonetheless, the narrator's word is the word of god within the setting of his creation and to go against it when you are discussing his word is to render the entire conversation moot.

So just letting you know, you're wrong. Hope you're cool with that.

>>46061759
Pretty sure Akroma combined with 2 other beings to form Karona, the False God, who was then destroyed and the plane they were from was overlaid onto Dominaria and then Dominaria was fucked up in Time Spiral and we might never go back.

>>46061836
He's referring to Planar Chaos Akroma, anta baka

>>46052448
According to WotC she never did (or maybe a WotC employee on a blog or something). They were tactful about it though (saying something along the lines of the dress was only raised cause she was holding it). Wish I could find where they said that.

>>46061625
If he has a problem with us referring to him based on what we see and what's in his pants, then he can handle us the same way he handled that Orc who felt the same, ok maybe a bit more extreme, then we do. The author canonized that people wil refer to him as a him without regard to his preferred pronoun.

If I respect the person I will use the pronoun they prefer, if I don't then I won't bother trying to remember who goes by what and name it as I see it.

And besides that was the worst place to try and insert a trans character. Ravnica? Yeah sure, but tarkir, especially the mardu, where there is no distinct difference between the attire of man and woman in the first place? Where they choose their own name? How the hell would societal differences between man and woman even develop enough for their to be boy and girl names in the first place? It felt heavy handed to me and the character was just meh.

>>46061785

>perhaps gender dysphoria has a definition separate from whatever definition you have within your mind.

And perhaps in Magic all males secretly have 3 penises and 8 testicles, I mean, we haven't been told they don't so I'm going to go forward with the assumption that they do for no other reason that that it suits me.

Oh wait, that's fucking retarded.

If something hasn't been made explicit then there is quite literally ZERO reason to assume it is the case.

>the narrator's word is the word of god within the setting

Nope.

The narrator can make value judgement all he likes, doesn't make them inherently valid. The narrator is only objectively correct on matters of fact within the fictional world, this is not a matter of fact, it is a matter of semantics and opinion.

>>46058282

>have a card type that is only printed at mythic rarities
>cards that enteract with these cards are only printed at rare or mythic rare

Does anyone else find this a little fucked up for the balance of the game?

>>46061896
Who cares what WotC says? He has a fucking dick, faggot. Prove to me that Olivia isn't a gross faggy shemale.

>>46061785
You might be legitimately retarded.

>>46061751
He specifically said "boner". In the new picture, assuming she has a dick, she is clearly on the (mostly) flaccid side.

>>46061759
I can't wait for the new Thalia to put a 1/1 token onto the field when she comes into play!

>>46061785
>narrator is always right about everything
Please read Mein Kampf, bake a jew and spend the rest of your life in prison.

>>46061963
Mein Kampf is accurate within the mind of its author and those that respect his belief and discuss it with a genuine interest.

If you are planning on discussing MtG, pay appropriate respect to the established canon within the setting.

>>46062003
Established canon is that Alesha is a MtF tranny. That means establish canon is that Alesha is male. Respect that canon, faggot.

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>>46061962

>>46062022
I will as soon as you acknowledge that established canon also uses female pronouns for Alesha and you use them for her as well.

>>46061759
I'm still mad about Noyan Darr becoming a roilmage rather than a lullmage, but you know, characters change over time.

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>>46062022

Isn't he just a dude who took his grandmothers name because his grandmother was a badass? Like I could name my daughter Frank and it wouldn't make her a boy, Magic writers are just fucking dumb.

>>46062052
>>46062003

At this point you're legitimately just pretending to be retarded

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>>46061914
>us
>we
Thanks for reminding us you have multiple people posting from your keyboard. Also, in case you were unaware, the character in question is fictional.

And honestly, I thought Aleha's inclusion in a more Eastern-themed plane pmade sense to me. Their norms aren't the same as Western ones, or haven't you heard of Thailand? Your claim that there were no "societal differences between man and woman" in the Mardu is not substantiated except as it applies to war and apparently leadership, and even if there weren't significant differences the idea that they wouldn't develop boy and girl names is unsupported.

>>46062003
>>46062022
One of you affords MtF trannies the token respect of referring to them by their chosen pronoun, and extends that to fictional characters out of habit. Which is good, because that is the polite thing to do regardless of whether you approve of it or not. The other is either so discomforted by trannies that he's sickened even by a fictional one, or he's just an asshole who refuses to extend even token courtesies towards people he doesn't like.

Either way, eternally arguing past each other on 4chan makes you both retards. Kindly shut the fuck up and discuss Wizards turning everything they "Return To" to shit.

>>46062022
We're talking setting with magic and demons where extensive mutations or swapping body parts isn't unheard of. Assuming Alesha gets access to necessary resources, becoming female is a possibility.

>>46061917
Using one pronoun over another is not a "value judgment" by any stretch of the imagination.
>>46061931
I've always thought so, yeah.

>>46062089
It is an analogy.

>>46062052
The use of pronouns has nothing to do with canon. The only canon here is 1- Alesha is male 2- Alesha thinks of herself as a woman.

The author decides that this warrants using feminine pronouns for her but that has literally fucking nothing to do with canon biological sex and therefore nothing to do with what pronoun it is correct to use when talking about her/him/that faggot.

>>46062119

>Thanks for reminding us you have multiple people posting from your keyboard.

Oh nice, the "You're a samefag" defense

There are other people than him in this thread that shares his viewpoint bucko, the use of "we" in this context is in no way inaccurate.

>>46052410
Lack of Boner aside, that's pretty garbage art.

>>46061931
There are loads of cards at common that interact with planeswalkers. Lighting Strike, Runeclaw Bear, Into the Roil, Oblivion Ring, etc.

There are loads of answers to walkers other than cards that specifically all them out. So, hopefully that helps balance.

>>46062134
And looking at the setting, Alesha could also be a planeswalker or an eldrazi in disguise. It hasn't been stated or even hinted at that any of these things are the case, so it's safe to assume they're not. Alesha is a male posing as a woman. Whether you want to use the male or female pronoun for her is your own choice and neither is canonically wrong, it's fucking grammar.

>>46062209
>And looking at the setting, Alesha could also be a planeswalker or an eldrazi in disguise
>or an eldrazi in disguise
What the fuck? Eldrazi aren't sapient. At least, if the are, they're so fucking tentacly and squiggly that you would never know.

How the fuck did you come up with that? Are you trying to sound like a crazy person?

>>46062148
Those are your personal politics and your personal views. I will trust the narrator and author over you, especially if you are not willing to respect the material that you have spent over an hour discussing at this point.

I'm shocked someone's so invested in fiction that they despise.

>>46054054
Markov Chain.

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>>46062138

>ANALogy
>You will never pound Alesha's sweaty boipucci after battle while he squeals to submit to your massive scaly dragon cock

>>46062238
I call Alesha a she and still think you are retarded.

>>46062238
You really are the densest motherfucker on this board. Use of pronouns still has nothing to do with canon. I even use "she" for Alesha because I like my use of pronouns to reflect people's chosen gender identity (it's dumb but it's polite). I am simply calling you a retard for thinking the alternative is "ignoring canon". It is anything but. It is referring to the character using its canon biological gender, which is objectively, canonically and grammatically correct. Fuck you.

>>46062282
So you accuse transgendered individuals of mental illness and fetishize them all at once?

Aren't you a piece of work.

>>46062331
Oh wow, this has been bait the whole time.

I guess that was obvious.

>>46062331
Mental illness is relative, and I can fetishize whatever I want. Including mental illness.

Not the same anon though.

>>46062135

>Using one pronoun over another is not a "value judgment" by any stretch of the imagination.

It absolutely is.

Using 'she' implicitly carries that sentiment "Transsexualism is valid and should be respected" in the same way that "Murderhobo McFaggotson valiantly struck down the dragon" carries the sentiment "Killing the dragon was a positive act". And in both cases it doesn't matter what the narrator says the opinions of the reader are just as legitimate.

You can't even use the excuse of that the narrator is just respecting Alesha as a person and using what he'd prefer, because Alesha is a fictional entity and requires no respect.

>>46062232

>How the fuck did you come up with that? Are you trying to sound like a crazy person?

Are you?

Because "The Eldrazi are intelligent and can disguise themselves as humans" has literally just as much legitimacy your idea that Alesha could "become female" through the application of magic.
In that they are both entirely unsubstantiated and pulled out of both your respective asses.

>>46062331
this
>transgenderism isn't a mental illness
thing is a massive meme, it's a mental problem that affects people massively, that doesn't mean I don't think the most effective cure is to transition and live happily

you're the one stigmatising the phrase mental illness retard

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>>46062365
>Because "The Eldrazi are intelligent and can disguise themselves as humans" has literally just as much legitimacy your idea that Alesha could "become female" through the application of magic.
That second idea wasn't mine, but in terms of Magic where motherfuckers get turned into frogs temporarily with a little shot of 1 generic 1 blue mana or trees permanently with 3 CMC, I'd say that the idea that a person can transform into another person a little more valid than something nonsensical about Eldrazi that really has no grounding whatsoever in the mechanics of the cardgame.

Dead serious, what about SoI attracted all this trans shitposting?

>>46062439
Olivia jokes.

Better than people botching about black vampires.

>>46062439
/lgbt/ and tumblr retards are triggered by futa jokes.

>>46062439

SoI has attracted shitposting the likes of which Magic threads on /tg/ have seldom seen on practically all fronts.

>>46062419
Alesha could also be a frog that was turned into a human, if that satisfies your autism. Or she could have been Lazav all along, who planeswalked the fuck out of Ravnica and back in time to relive his life as a tranny. None of these ideas are supported by canon so they're all fucking dumb and irrelevant to the conversation, just like the idea that Alesha had a magic sex change operation.

>>46062439
Futa vampire being taken seriously instead of the the "lel, it looks like she has a penis" reaction that everyone had when we first saw the art for the damn card. I personally blame the far-left.

>>46062522
I personally blame the far-right and general idiocy.

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>>46062487
>autism
I'm not the one sperging the fuck out because somebody posed that it could hypothetically be a thing that people in fantasy settings could change their gender using magic. Seriously, you're acting like shit like pic related have never ever been a thing in any fantasy medium before.

I'm not saying that Alesha had such a magic operation, or ritual, or even that it's possible. Once again, I'm not the person who even brought that possibility up. But considering that Magic seems to allow for magical transformation spells, it's at least less of a stretch than your idea about the Eldrazi.

>>46062608
The eldrazi idea being a stretch was the whole fucking point. It was basically saying "This is a fantasy setting, anything could be possible, and discussing unsubstantiated but possible scenarios is dumb as fuck in a conversation about canon". How dumb are you?

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>>46052410
>they actually named it rattlechains

WOTC holy fuck are you even trying anymore?

>>46062646
Yeah, and I'm saying that that stretch is stupid, because one thing is more possible than the other even though both things are possible. Damn near anything is possible, but that doesn't really have much to do with what's more PROBABLE. In this case, one scenario is much, much, much more probable than the other.

If your entire point is that "arguing about fictional things is stupid," then, well, you're the one at a loss here because you've apparently been arguing with multiple people over the course of this thread. Congratulations, you played yourself.

>>46062591

Dolan Drumf did this, we need to make WotC #feelthebern and take our game back from the shitlord white males

>>46062722
Do you even read the posts you respond to? To the statement "Alesha is canonically male", someone responds "But she could have had a magical sex change." To that, I respond that she could also have gone through any number of other ridiculous things completely unsubstantiated by established canon. You go "but those things are ridiculous and unlikely", therefore missing the point as hard as humanly possible.

>>46062721
Why wouldn't it be Rattlechains?

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I like it.

>>46062878
I mean rattlechains is fine, but by itself is what bugs me.

not something like
>rattlechains geist
>rattlechains spectre
>rattlechains spooky flying blue thing.
>unchained spirit

rattlechains is just weirdly barebones to me.

>>46062796
Your point is founded on a misapprehension. The idea that any two fictional events are equally ridiculous and unlikely and therefore unworthy of consideration means that any speculation on fictional settings would be completely pointless. Hence, my remark on your point possibly being that talking about fictional things is stupid.

Judging from what we have seen of Magic in the past, it is far more likely in Magic lore that there is some way of transforming a male into a female than it is likely that the Eldrazi are sapient and capable of disguising themselves. The idea that transformation magic exists is a canonical fact of Magic canon: the idea that Eldrazi are sapient and capable of speech is not. Therefore, one idea clearly has more grounds for likelihood than the other, and your claim that both are equally unlikely is grounded on the idea that we cannot speculate anything on Magic lore purely because it is fictional. I don't accept that premise.

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>>46062934
>barebones
but that's a spirit, Anon, not a skeleton
RATTLE RATTLE RATTLE

>>46062911

It's decent.

If a RB vampire deck manifests itself it might see play, it's a bit slow though.

>>46062911
Decent 1 drop. Lifelink helps, and the sac effect keeps it valuable in the lategame.

>>46062934
I always loved stuff like that. Innistrad block had some great cards in that regard.

http://magiccards.info/query?q=%28e%3Aavr%2Fen+or+e%3Adka%2Fen+or+e%3Aisd%2Fen%29+-n%3A%22+%22+t%3Acreature&v=card&s=cname

My favorite is Kindercatch and Wakedancer.

>>46062986
>>46062959
Well, it threatens damage in the mid-to-late game from tokens or in the face of removal.

>>46062721
rattlechains is a good name, what the fuck do you want?

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>>46062956
I'd see your point, except I don't have any eyes.
YOHOHOHO

>>46062936
>Your point is founded on a misapprehension. The idea that any two fictional events are equally ridiculous and unlikely and therefore unworthy of consideration means that any speculation on fictional settings would be completely pointless.
Presenting increasingly ridiculous and unlikely scenarios was the entire fucking point. None of this is supported by established canon and it's all therefore completely moot in a conversation about a character's established, canon gender. Fuck's sake. This anon put it best:
>>46062419
>
Because "The Eldrazi are intelligent and can disguise themselves as humans" has literally just as much legitimacy your idea that Alesha could "become female" through the application of magic. In that they are both entirely unsubstantiated and pulled out of both your respective asses.
One may be more likely than the other but neither is rooted in anything more than dumb speculation and the idea that "It totally could happen". And if you're honestly going to say that it is literally impossible for the eldrazi to do a thing, anything, then congratulations, you know more about the eldrazi than the writers have ever put out and arguably, more than the writers have outlined themselves.

>>46063029

I think it might be more of a sideboard-y card.

The vampire deck is looking like it's gonna be really aggressive, I think this might be the kind of thing you'd bring in in matchups where you're unlikely to get the turn 4-5 kill.

>>46062934
It has a more gothic, spooky fairy-tale feel. The sort of thing that a parent would make up for their kid, three syllables and no more to limit complexity.

>Make sure to pray before you light the candles at night or the Topplegeist will get them!
>Leave a broken iron link on your doorstep every night or Rattlechains leave you sleepless!
>Eat your wormwood or the Kindercatch will get you in the morning!

The names are left sounding much more superstitious and thematic.

>>46062911
I like that it can sacrifice itself if needs be, quality card. Really loving RB vamps so far.

>>46063078
>None of this is supported by established canon
Except the fact that transformation magic exists in Magic lore.
>This anon put it best:
Are you quoting my post quoting some other guy? That's an odd way to do it, but OK.
>One may be more likely than the other but neither is rooted in anything more than dumb speculation
You're contradicting yourself. One is more likely than the other precisely because it is rooted in speculation regarding already existing facts of canon.

Do you believe that speculation on existing canon facts is pointless? If so, I disagree. If not, then your position ignores that one possibility can be more likely than another.

>>46062936
I think you're the only one even talking about these ideas being equally ridiculous or unlikely. No one thinks Alesha is an eldrazi, that post was saying that it's just another dumb idea that's not canon and has no relevance to the argument. Calm down and reread the posts, use reading comprehension this time.

>it's a "ruined by off-topic shitposting" thread
classic /tg/

>>46062911
BR vampires are the new WB warriors.

Utterly fucking mediocre and a memedeck made by only the worst trash. Seriously, you think this'll be playable?

>>46063272
I admit to having kicked it off when I saw a chance to reignite some Alesha shitposting but at this point, it's just sustaining itself and I don't need to say a word.

>purposely not referring to people with their preferred pronouns

Jesus Christ this autism

I suppose you also shit all over everything your schizophrenic uncle says too because he's delusional and therefore wrong

And you make a point of never for a moment letting a wrong person think you agree with them

>>46063209
>Do you believe that speculation on existing canon facts is pointless?
It is completely pointless in this scenario, yes. This is about which pronoun people can and can't use for Alesha, and the fact Alesha is canonically, biologically male. This has been established in canon. This is not an opinion. Someone saying "But she could have had a sex change operation" is the type of speculation that is completely pointless in this discussion because it has literally never even been hinted at and though it COULD be possible in this universe, there is no fucking indication whatsoever that this is the case. So the argument basically boils down to "It's possible so you can't prove it isn't the case so it's relevant to this canon discussion." I surmise that it is exactly as relevant to the discussion as saying Alesha could be from Innistrad, or could be a polymorphed saproling, or hell, could be an eldrazi in disguise. They are all things that are technically possible in this universe, THOUGH NOT EQUALLY AS LIKELY YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER, but in this conversation they're all assumptions based on literally nothing other than the fact they're technically possible.

>>46062052
In established canon they also use he to refer to Alesha so I don't see your point, because the canon you use as a shield for your argument clearly shows that opinions can exist, sure you risk getting your head lopped of by the offended party so you better be ready to lop their head off if they so much as flinch

>A human boy who thinks he's a woman?"
right from the canon, see that he you were so dead set on saying wasn't used to refer to alesha?

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>>46063184
ok, I can get down with that explanation. It's pretty cool to look at it that way actually.

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>>46053551
girlcock best cock

>>46063329
Fallible character with subjective opinion. Not the narrator, who is reliable and objective within the narrative that it is narrating.

I'm going to start calling Garruk a she and it's valid because you can't prove she wasn't magically transformed into a big burly man. Plus, it's totally the kind of thing Liliana would do. If you call Garruk "he" then you're not respecting canon.

>>46061962
Thalia, Lead Investigator
1W
First strike
When ~ enters the battlefield Investigate, then Investigate again.
1/2
"I think Avacyn might be feeling under the weather lately."

>>46063485
I'd prefer keeping in line with her old card's hate aspect, something like "whenever an opponent casts a non-creature spell, investigate"

>130 new replies
>Man, something good must have been spoiled
>"Muh pronouns"
>"Muh headcannon"
>"Muh everyone is X!"

Fuck all of you i hope you step on a lego. Go back to /b/.

>>46063520
I was doing a worst case scenario thing. I hope she stays as a hatebear but we'll see. She could get Linvala'd into something retarded.

>>46061962
>>46063485
Thalia, Paragon of Humanity
1WW
First strike
Whenever a player casts a noncreature spell, you may pay 2. If you do, put a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token onto the battlefield.
3/2

>>46053177
>>46053160
>Out in the sun
Come on that was even established in Innistrad.

>>46063308
I tend to avoid crazy people, anon, not strike up a conversations with them

>>46063308

>IF YOU DON'T RESPECT THIS FICTIONAL CHARACTER THEN YOU MUST NOT RESPECT PEOPLE YOU KNOW IN REAL LIFE

pls

Anon.

pls

Until further notice, everyone in MtG canon is an eldrazi, unless specifically stated otherwise.

>>46052780
You're doing the Great Work.

>>46063667
Until further notice, everyone in MtG canon uses the pronouns that the narrator refers to them with.

Oh wait, sorry. That's even less believable than Eldrazi-Aleshas, my mistake.

>>46057097
they fulfill different roles

>>46058590

I always knew George Clooney was a Planeswalker

>>46062721
That's actually pretty nice for 1U

>>46052410
I might throw together some BR Vampire tribal garbage since I'm a shitter

>>46063667
>Not phyrexian double agents
At least make it believable.

>>46063651

I'll admit I had not considered the possibility that you would be a stickler about fictional characters' sex but be more reasonable with real people

>>46063651
I do my best to always address faggots with their preferred pronoun, as long as it's not a made up word. That said, I completely respect people who insist on picking pronouns based on biological sex; both languages I speak condone that, and it's just a lot easier and more sensible overall.

Pronouns replace nouns in sentences and are therefore really fucking useful to refer to someone when you don't know their name. If you have to ask people what their pronoun before being able to properly refer to them, then it kind of defeats the purpose.

Long story short, Alesha can be a he or a she, and until further notice, she's also an eldrazi.

>>46061759
I actually really like this new Sigarda. She straight up stops Avacyn from nuking human tribal and saves you from Avacyn's damage. Exiling is kinda weird but I assume the idea is to defend from deliurium in lore which is causing angels to go mad.

It's a cool card.

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>>46063791

Idk I still think it's just good social skills to refer to somebody wearing makeup and a skirt as a she even if you're pretty certain they have a dick

>>46058364
costs the same, just requires one less white and one more generic, lost 1 power, and a whole slew new set of ability. combo the two and what do you got?

>>46063799
It won't though, Avacyn's 3 damage is non targeted

>>46063799

Hexproof won't protect humans from red avacyn though

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>>46063277
>favorite tribes are vampires, warriors and humans
Life is eternal suffering

>>46063854
>>46063858
Ah woops. I'm retarded.

>>46063843
an ok Human buffer and a good creature

>>46063768

There's no point in antagonizing people in the real world unless they started it or otherwise gave you reason to want to shit on them, being courteous with people makes everyone's life easier.

I have my opinions and if they ask I'll tell them but unless it's actually relevant there's literally no reason to make it an issue.

I mean, if someone asks me to call them Zim/Yir/Xum then I'll probably just make a face and try to end the conversation as quickly as possible, but there's no need to shit on trannies unless they've done something personally wrong to me. My opinions on their mental well-being and the attitude that society should have towards it have no bearing on my personal interaction with them.

>>46052780
>delicious Strogg monster

Easily one of my favorite Phyrexian art pieces

>>46063839
What you just said is offensive to people who identify as men but like to wear makeup and a skirt. You're just reinforcing harmful gender stereotypes.

And that's the entire issue when pronouns become based on such subjective things as gender identity. Using pronouns based on biological genders just seems a lot less problematic overall. When you call someone a "he" or "she", you're not saying "You strike me as the type of person who identifies as a man or a woman", you're just saying "My eyes tell me that you are biologically male or female"

>>46058364
She dodges a good deal of the removal that will exist post rotation. Play her the turn after Arlinn and you can give her haste and vigilance

>>46063839
>wearing makeup and a skirt as a she even if you're pretty certain they have a dick
Why the fuck would start talking to such a person to begin with? The fuck is wrong with you people.

>>46063876
Mine's humans so I feel you bro

>>46063920
>I mean, if someone asks me to call them Zim/Yir/Xum then I'll probably just make a face and try to end the conversation as quickly as possible
I just ask them for their name, and never use a pronoun for them. Because really, if I'm going to be using a made up word that refers to exactly no one else in a group but that one person, I might as well use their fucking name. These dumb pronouns are retarded, they've become like picking a second name, they already have one of those.

>>46063723
what's wrong with tribal?

>>46063920

Your first paragraph is all I meant to say all along

It just didn't occur to me that you find other ways to call trannies by their original gender

>>46063984
>dodges a good deal of the removal that will exist post rotation
how

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>>46063987
Brutal.

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>>46062273
that's one of the best puns I've seen all week.

10 internet points for you, go get yourself some pie. you deserve it.

>>46063987

Sometimes I see them at parties or a mutual friend introduced us

>>46064143
May I suggest getting better friends and/or not talking to strangers at parties and/or moving out of the USA?

>>46064091
so she does

>>46064190
>not talking to strangers at parties
what's the point, then

>>46061014
but MTG has magic what is there to stop them from changing the biology

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>>46052410
>>46054054
I mean... you'd still have to be paying for them all as if you were hardcasting.

They'd be hasted, with a +1/+1, and a vampire permanently if they were originally only so because of Gorger.

But you'd still be basically hardcasting them.

>>46064216

>Going to parties where you don't know anyone

Bleh

>>46064056
underrated post.

>>46064216
Having a good time with your friends? Who the fuck goes to parties alone?

Jesus this is getting sadder and sadder by the post, please stop

>>46064260
>>46064268
just because you go with friends doesn't mean you can't talk to strangers, retards

>>46064260
>>46064268
>going to parties
NORMIES GET OUT
RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>46064216
sometimes a party is just a big hangout for friends who don't see each other as much as they'd like.

>>46064276

If I'm at a party there's exactly 3 kinds of people I'm talking to.

My friends
People that my friends introduce me to
Cute girls I'm fruitlessly trying to hit up on.

I'm fairly certain none of my friends that I'm close enough with to be going out to parties with know any trannies or they would probably have mentioned it at some point.

And the last category is pretty unlikely to include trannies since the trannies that pass as girl, much less CUTE girls make up less than 10% of the general tranny population.

>>46064216
partying with people you know at parties.

if you don't know anyone there, you're just kind of that odd guy out that keeps starting conversations with random strangers who are there to party with their friends, not listen to you gab about your "love of your life" rescue greyhound and has-been male modelling career.

>>46064260
IKR?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrGX4KZ44WI

>>46064406
Have you ever actually been to a party? If someone at a party says something to you, do you jump out of your seat screaming GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME YOU NORMIE RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>46064216
Perhaps I want to pretend I'm not anti-social, not actually not be anti-social.

>>46064444
You think I can make up something like that greyhound and male modelling thing on my own? Heck no man, true story. He was trying to show me pictures.

Nearly every startup conversation with a stranger at a party I've ever been to that wasn't between myself and a friend has always been something awkward and generally noisome like that, where they just don't get that I'm completely disinterested if not downright avoidant to whatever they're blathering on about, and continue to do so, despite polite hinting that I'd rather leave to either join a new existing conversation that seems more interesting, or to go off an participate in some other aspect of the festivities.

This is why I try to go out of my way not to start conversations with strangers anymore. They'll still start them up with me on occasion, just can't wait to tell whatever poor sap who'll listen about their new boat, or favorite reality gameshow, or pottery collection, gridiron football brackets, do you have a moment of your time to talk about our lord and savior, or, if they're really going for sheer inanity, casual cursory observations about the weather that we're currently experiencing.
Alternately, if they aren't feeling over-sharey, they'll get over-probey. How's your lovelife, have you got a girlfriend? How have your grades been? Them's none of your business.

So you tell me, anon. Though I don't defend myself with screeching about the cancer of contact with normies, I just sit there and take it like a chump, politely nodding and looking for escape routes, would I really be unreasonable to start doing so?

Thank God Im living in a third world country and we would never have this argument in our flgs. On the flip side no parties for me this month because I bought some lands and wages are horrible.

>>46058241
>equipment focused
>card that wants most of your deck to be creatures

Pick one

>>46064879
Honestly, like, am I a sperg for not wanting to see nude pics of some socially oblivious grampa surf hipster? Is it rude to decline such an (insistent) offer?

It seems for all the world to me like I'm the normal one here, and everybody else is sperged.

>>46064879
>I just sit there and take it like a chump, politely nodding and looking for escape routes
Welcome to being a normal, functioning member of society. Sometimes people try to talk to you about shit you don't care about. You look disinterested, nod politely and look for an escape route.

Not everyone who talks to you at a party is going to have interesting shit to say, but not everyone will be a complete faggot trying to show you nude pics. Sometimes you'll even find people at a party to talk about EDH with.

I was so looking forward to Rotation as it'll finally get cheaper with Fetchlands leaving...and now after seeing all these bombs in SOI, Standard will never be cheap.

Every deck either needs 4x Arlinn or 4x New Jace

>>46058364
I want to FUCK Sigarda

>>46065148

New Jace is not standard viable.
Especially since Origin Jace is still legal and better in every way.

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>>46065266
still doesnt stop Standard from being $300+ decks

>>46059174
Who is the horny slut on the right? Drana?

>>46065060
>but not everyone will be a complete faggot trying to show you nude pics
See, maybe not the nude pics, but the tremendous faggot thing appears to be a pretty consistent trend, normie or not.

As for interestingness... I think the thing that perplexes me the most is how small normies worldviews are. It's all very concrete, very mundane, phrasing is dead horse hackneyed, and often, scope is limited temporarily. Whatever the latest corporate sponsored trend is, that's the greatest thing ever, and will be until the marketers announce a new trend, then they'll all glom onto that. It's like they don't form opinions of their own. Like they don't think about anything not directly in front of their eyes. If they do ever have some "astonishing insight" it'll be something long since obvious to anyone not one of them. Hey man, just realized, I think it's called a president because they preside! Wow sir, congratulations, you have just reinvented reading comprehension. How do they live? How do they function?

>>46065431
I changed my mind. Please don't try to interact with people.

>>46065431

Protip: People will either think you're a pleb too, or super-pretentious. We call the pleb normies cattle

>>46065490
Its the latter, typically.
Sometimes it starts as the former, but it swaps to the latter if there's any amount of extended contact.

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>>46065431

People who use the term "normies" tend to be awful to interact with, please stay in your basement forever.

>>46065280

I like that it kinda looks like it'll be possible to make a decent-ish budget BR vamp deck.

>>46065280
Seems good, 2/1 Flying for 2 is expected, and being able to haste other vamps is nice.

They're definitely trying to give B/R aggro Vamps some tools.

>>46062911
You know, this is actually very good. With Skulk it'd be rare.

Really, it's only because Falkenrath Gorger is so freakin' good it can't stand a candle to it, but this is just about the next best thing as a 1 drop. Will definitely find a home in BR vamps.

>>46065280
Good but somewhat outperformed by Olivia herself. This could still be used as backup should you not draw into Olivia.

>>46064245
Basically giving all of your creatures +1/+1, haste, and flash with 2 cards out is not terrible, but it is inconsistent.

>>46064245
That's a 2/1 for R with upsides. If you're making a R or BR aggro deck, it's pretty much a free-roll, and the text on it does have the potential to become extremely relevant with Olivia. I think Vampire aggro might be good.

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So, on a scale of 1 to 10, how fucked is Nahiri?

>>46065706
Normies is only used ironically, right?

>>46066481
Sounds to me like she's about to come down with a sudden of fatal case of I can't even type this I can't do it

>>46066514
You. I like you.

>>46066481
Doesn't Sorin hate his family? I know they were pissed at him for creating Avacyn, or at the very least for telling them to hold back on draining all the humans on Innistrad.

I guess blood is thicker than water?

>>46066956
He hates them but that doesn't mean he wants them trapped in a state of eternal agony

>>46066481

She's just gonna get some rough anal and maybe slapped around, it's why women act up so they can get hatefucked.

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>>46067284
>implying it isn't going to be full on rape with sorin making a bloody mess of nahiri's neck

>>46066956
also she is just generally fucking up his home plane, which is quite the feat considering how miserable of a place it was in the first place. I feel like her random act of cruelty is more offensive a statement than it is as an attack on individuals that Sorin cares about

so, sorin vs nahiri duel deck soon™?

>>46065706
I adopted the terms already being used in the conversation.

That said, even though I know it's normally reserved for use only by r9K's basement dwelling metal men and wizards, I don't really know a better term to use.