What's your opinion on kobolds, and why?

thats actually a good point why are my opinions on kobolds?

>>46049159
I like them, they're smaller and weaker than everyone else but they're still trying the best they can.

Tiny dragon rats. Sometimes they're dumb and savage, other times they're like scaly children with too many pointy bits. Overall not very threatening unless met in large numbers.

>>46049159
I hate them because of all the koboldfags that turn them into magicalrealm fodder.

>>46049195
Is there any actual mythological creatures that resembles the kobold? Since actual mythological.kobolds were wee men and.miners

As part of a primarily underdark party, my opinion on kobold is usually based on how they are cooked. I know eating intelligent creatures is normally taboo, but you can't always keep rothe with you in some of the more out of the way parts.

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>>46049159
They're okay as fodder pr even as a race of shitty subterranean dung farms, but anything else for them just seems extraneous or silly.

>>46049159
Originally an alternative to throwing goblins at first level parties, given some interesting backstory for the Dragons part of "Dungeons and Dragons", people started to do interesting things with them tactically to prove that "even the worst monster can be a threat in numbers/with organization", quickly became meme and fetish trash because people think that always subverting them is somehow clever instead of trite after the 1000th time.

TL;DR Drizzt the race on /tg/.

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>>46049440
You can cry and whine all you want, but kobolds is /tg/, now and always. Deal with it.

>>46049159
Image search has failed me.

my opinion on them in relation to this board is that people should stop posting their shitty furry fetish bullshit.

as monsters in a campaign they're pretty good. they can be a good challenge to low level adventurers, cannon fodder to a mid level baddie or even NPCs if you want to have a monster village of relatively non-threatening creatures.

Well, I like them.

They are far away of being my favourite race in fantasy, but i'm kinda tired of seeing Goblins as pathethic little enemies doing bad stuff for the sake of doing it, or the lesser slaved race doing all the dirty work for a big evil empire. So I welcome the Kobolds as a nice change.

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>>46049159
Murderous, kleptomaniac vermin with delusions of draconic association.
Why? Because almost anytime they are presented as distinct from goblins (Kobold is German for Goblin) it's as Evil little lizardmen.
Exceptions being /tg/ fap folders and Japanese monster girl smut.

I don't see any reason not to just roll them into goblins

>>46050078
Because we know you have a shortstack goblin fetish, keep your dick in your pants.

>>46049213
What hasn't been turned into magical realm fodder?

>>46050125
Your mum

I quite like them. They're small, weak, and smart enough to realize they're quite fucked. And so, they have little choice but to be trap-making, cunning bastards to stay alive. Their industrious nature, their religion based largely on "Fuck Gnomes, seriously, fuck them" and their pragmatism are all things that greatly appeal to me.

>>46050123
Nah man, fetishists make a big distinction. Kobolds are much more animalistic so they invoke extra bundle of stuff.

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>>46050155
you dont even know how wrong you are

>>46049159
they make for pretty decent siege engineers

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>>46049213
>having a problem with magical realm

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>>46049159
Overly sexualised on /tg/, and despite my penis's unsolicited approval that remains a bad thing for the race's image.

In flavor terms, I like how they're an alternative to goblins and allow world builders some flexibility with their fodder races. Also the draconic servitude and trap building aspects are interesting.

In crunch and as PCs, not sure. Never played one, but I hear they're fun to play and really rather good at certain builds, and make a lot of sense as gunslingers due to a mechanical affinity and their weapons not requiring a lot of strength which kobolds lack.

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so many protestants and muslims, afraid of a little magical realm. How disgusting.

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>>46050518
I'm a fan of magical realm in games, but not when it's for such a shitty little race.

>>46049159
I keep my opinions to myself, because I know they are nowhere near the mainstream.

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I wish they were featured more in literature.

>>46049159
>Dragon Kobolds
Adorable, worthy of respect or at least continued existence

>Rat/Vermin/Non-Reptile Kobolds
Pick up your weapons, we've got some vermin to exterminate.

>>46050995
>Adorable
>worthy of respect
These two don't go together

>>46049159
As a player I love them but probably more so because of the memes over the years.. Also I like their design in DnD and Pathfinder.

Oh, and I was a fan of Unforgotten Realms....kobold.

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>>46050995
>Hating on dog kobolds
No anon, you are the vermin

>>46051053
No, I would kill them like I was paid to and probably dispose of the corpse via fire so the mine doesn't get filled with a rotten stench.

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>>46051053
What the hell is this post even for? What are you planning to do with this information? How does it improve the thread or board?
Or is this just about you getting off?

Seriously. Keep it in your pants for one damned thread.

>>46051061
>not murder fucking everything

>>46051081
It's a koboldfag. It's impossible for them to do that.

>>46051061
>lighting corpses on fire
>in a coal mine

YOU IDIOT

>>46051110
Who said it was a coal mine, anon?
It could be an iron mine or something.

>>46051061
What if the kobolds surrender?

>>46051140
Kill them all anyway.
It's what I was paid to do, not make friends with shitty little lizards.

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>>46051107
But I *am* a koboldfag. I just don't start jacking it at the table at the first mention of kobolds.

Also one thing I like about kobolds is the possibility they have to improve their construction skills and eventually build bigger, even up to cities that goblins generally seem to lack.
I mean you get gnome cities with as the token steampunk element throw-in after the DM gets into the subgenre. Kobolds can fill a similar niche.

>>46051148
And if you were paid to bring them in alive?

>>46051225
Then they go in the cages and delivered to the likely sexual deviant who wanted a bunch of kobolds.

>>46051148
Yeah.... if you could you move your alignment one notch lower for doing that, that would be great.

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>>46049159
3e are scaly garbage that are literally meme-tier (cf. Meepo, Pun-pun)

Dogbolds and 2ebolds are superior.

>>46051233
>playing a system with alignments
>even playing a system with alignments with alignments

>>46051228
>the disguised dragon gives payment and returns to her lair with new servants
>because really how do you think dragons get kobold cults? Help wanted ads? Minion recruitment agencies?

>>46051228
>not wanting a bunch of kobolds for unpaid mining work

It's like you're not a robber baron.

>>46049159
>What's your opinion on kobolds, and why?
The only propper Kobolds are the classic lizard-chihuahuas.

>>46051248
I feel like the effort of getting them to work properly wouldn't be worth the pittance you'd pay in keeping them alive.

>>46051246
>Dragon
Definitely a sexual deviant then.

>>46051264
>>Dragon
>Definitely a sexual deviant then

Well, yes. But not necessary kobold related.

>>46051050
Kobold.

To be honest, I don't really know why, but I really do have a soft spot for Kobolds, both scaly and non-scaly.
As long as they behave, they give me that sort of feeling you get when a pet does tricks and you just can't help but smile at them...
Then they whip out a crossbow as big as their own body as well as some molotov cocktails and proceed to prove that they can kick ass too...

>>46051051
The thing about Dog-bolds is, why not just use Gnolls?
Goblins, Kobolds, and Gnolls all fill the same role, and it's not always necessary to use all three.

>>46051755
Gnolls are bigger. They fulfill pack hunter and bruiser roles who can can tank a hit.
Goblins and kobolds are more quick pikemen and trappers which go down in droves.

At least in theory.

>>46051755
Well, Gnolls are both bigger and they aren't inspired by dogs, they are inspired by Hyenas.

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Kobolds are meant to be THICC ADVENTURERS.

Vicious small lizard things that usually are a sign of a dragon's presence or passing. They're born when a dragon's breath or blood envelops raw ores, poisoning and transforming them into the imp-like kobolds. They serve dragons religiously like living gods.

Alternatively they're a different sort of goblin, because there are so many kinds of goddamn goblins.

>>46051050
Koboooold

>>46051755
>Goblins, Kobolds, and Gnolls all fill the same role

Not in most games of D&D I've played.

Goblins are offensive-minded. They build hordes and attack villages and settlements and even cities if they can get large enough. They're uneducated but that's not the same thing as unintelligent, and in fact they're quite clever with machines when they want to be. Their "tactics", however, is basically just "crush them under sheer mass of attacking goblins". They are perfectly willing to ally with or work under hobgoblins, bugbears, ogres, or anything else.

Kobolds are defensive-minded. They live behind trap after trap after trap. They're highly educated and extremely insular and xenophobic. They only go to the surface to forage for food, and actually avoid attacking nearby settlements not directly in their claimed land since they don't want to deal with reprisals. The second anyone tries to encroach on their land, though, they launch an attack to draw out enemy forces and then just keep drawing those forces back through layers of prepared traps, letting them do the dirty work; once that's done they fall on the village with overwhelming numbers, kill and burn everything, then return home and get back to mining. They hate everything that isn't another kobold - with the exception of dragons, whom they will do anything to please. Even dumb stuff.

Gnolls are big, lazy, and stupid, basically short, furry ogres. They eat whatever they can kill but don't have any interest in holding territory for any length of time; or rather, they do, but they suck at it because they can't be bothered to tend herds or farm fields or build a proper standing army. If an army has gnolls in it, those gnolls have been pressed into service and will wander off at the first opportunity unless they are *constantly* being fed trophies and, well, food.

I hate them, I hate whoever thought they should be little lizard people, and I hate /tg/ for turning them into CYUTE AND WUVABLE fetish garbage. They used to be fine, but now they're shit.

>>46051901
It's fine to hate, as long as your hate does not control you. It's up to you to exclude them or make them good in the games you run.

>>46051873
Also, fuck the furry or scaly kobolds. They cannot make human expressions, they make their own weird lizard expressions. They cannot blush, they're difficult to tell apart sexually. They don't rub noses or pretend to be some kind of cute adventurer. They gnash, stab, bite, choke,, trip, trap, and steal. They swarm in numbers like tiny raptors ripping at your flesh. They are not for hugging.

I think they should have been included as a core race instead of dragonborn. Hell, toss goblins and gnolls into the mix too.

>>46049159

Our current DM uses them as canon fodder for any encounter that requires a decent amount of enemies regardless of the situation so I've about had it with kobolds. Anytime they make an appearance I kill them as brutally as possible because fuck kobolds. They do make for a solid improvised weapon in a pinch though

>>46051927
Yeah, I just leave them out. It's easier to make a different little cannon-fodder monster race than to fix the kobold trainwreck at this point.

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>>46051851
>putting tits on lizards
Stop trying to sexualize kobolds.

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>>46052010
>Not having a scaly version of monotreme, births eggs but feeds with milk.

LEAVE.

>>46051851
I want to like that pic but the linework is so blurry it gives me a headache.

>>46051898
So...Hobgoblins/Goblins/Bugbears?

>>46051963
I hate how D&D can't make reptilian humanoids without making them related to dragons.

I love 'em. Playing one now in a 5e campaign. I think it's the combination of frailty and sheer determination that I like, but I'm not sure. Definitely not a magical realm thing for me, as scales are a turn-off... even though she wants to have half-dragon babies, it's more "strengthen the tribe" than "muh dragon dick".

>>46052230
All reptiles are related to dragons.
Snek is just dragonborn earth worm

>>46052262
Does 5e have an official kobold PC yet?

>>46052010
Which parts are lizard and which parts are human is arbitrary. It's entirely as likely/unlikely for them to walk and talk, or to have any of their human characteristics.
They're not even necessarily cold blooded because that's an arbitrary decision as well.

So your argument comes down to "Lizardmen should not have tits because I don't want them to have tits."

>>46052335
If you're going to use lizards, but then take away everything that makes them lizards, you have boring scaly humans.

Fuck that, give me weird lizard brain shit and in human expression. Mammals feel and look warm, insects feel and look cold, lizards look like they actively reject the warmth, rather than just be cold.

>>46049159
Kobolds are pathetic, and I like to turn that up to eleven. Their culture is based around kissing the feet of Dragons, and they consider it a great honor to be eaten by a greater creature, the best being dragons. No one takes them seriously, at all, for any reason.

>>46052286
No. I'm using a modified version of some dude's homebrew that has +2 dex, +1 cha (originally wis, but I'm running mine as dragonwrought), small size, 30 ft move, darkvision, sunlight sensitivity, and a nerfed version of pack tactics (only 1 attack per round).

>>46052206
No, because Hobgoblins are all HONORABRU and shit. They're basically a parody of Japanese samurai, specifically Sengoku Jidai era samurai. They're exceptionally organized and structured as a society and tend to rule over mountain fiefdoms. Only their tribalism prevents them from ruling significant land holdings the way humans and other races do.

Bugbears, meanwhile, are like ogres if ogres were a bit smaller, a bit smarter, and had their shit together.

>>46052286
No, and likely never will. But it is fairly easy to play a creature as a homebrew race.

>>46052073
>>46051851
Is there anymore art of this character?

>>46052429
>spot the vore fetishist

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>>46052626
Last pic the artist had.

robotjoe.tumblr.com

Be wary, he doesn't draw just kobolds.

>>46052738
Or well, the last pic I saw and saved.

>>46052738
Much obliged!

>>46052738

Is it wrong that my first thought was separating the torso from the abdomen with a swipe of my great sword and having my way with the lower half?

>>46052793
>cleaving the pussy canal.
>cleaving the womb's lips.
>cleaving the womb away so you can't deepthroat it.

Do you even massive cervical penetration dude?

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People like kobolds way too much.
Not the best pic to accompany post.

>>46052010
I said it a million times and I'll say it again, it matters not if they have tits.
You can't have a double-standard with fantasy science.
>Dragons can't fly because of the Square Cube Law
>Elves and dwarves should have a slow metabolism due to their longer life
>A sea-folk society would not progress past Neolithic due to the lack of metallurgy and fire.
>A society of backstabbing bondage elves or war-obsessed murderfuck orcs would collapse within a decade.
You can have boobless lizardmen and such, that's fine. But don't try and justify it with biology, remain consistent in the setting.

>>46051239
My god he looks like he's taking a constipated dump in his pants and having a seazure at the same time

>>46051233
Nah

>>46049159
A boring and pointless race.

>>46052547
What, do negative racials not exist in 5e?

>46053276
Sorta. Theres no race that gets a -2 on a stat or anything. However, Drow get Sunlight Sensitivity so there is still negative racial traits.

>>46053276
Subtraction is less intuitive than addition.

>>46052793
>>46052738
>>46052073
>>46051851

Yeah, this Kobold isn't meant for kill-fucking. She's better suited to:

>Fighting alongside in the depths of a dungeon with.

>Giving a jocular slap on the ass to after the battle is won.

>Arguing about who deserves the bigger cut of the loot with.

>Taking to an inn to spend said loot and get drunk with.

>Debating the finer points of Human and Kobold cultures with.

>Awkward flirting with once you both are sufficiently drunk.

>Even more awkwardness when one of you acts in that flirtation.

>Bedding down embarassedly in seperate rooms.

>Even more embarassement and apologies come morning.

>Getting affectionately slapped on the ass by as you leave the inn.

>>46053276
No, they don't.

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>>46050155
... thank... you?

>>46051851
> tits
> ears
> HIPS
That's not a kobold, that's a kobold/goblin crossbreed. There's a kobold out there fucking goblins. Or vice versa. You can't fool me!

>>46054568
>Thinking that hips wouldn't be bigger on an egg-birther
>Thinking that gobbos were first to be hippalicious.

Leave and don't come back till you learn the history of hips.

>>46054568
Are you surprised or something? They're about the right size and goblins, at least, don't seem likely to be very discriminating.

>>46049159
I think that there should be a rule that, before you start a thread with "Character Art" you should jerk off first. THEN decide the wisdom of your selected picture.
A good wank before any major life decision is a good call as well.

>>46054710
Its generally frowned upon in job interviews though

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>>46051239
Thank you. I never had them as lizardmen in my head.
I am German but I never heard of goblins, kobolds or any little spirit, etc. being anything dragon or lizzardlike.

>>46054710
I've been seeing a lot of these "you should wank before doing X" post's on /tg/ lately.
Is this some sort of new meme?

>>46054849
The german Kobold is conceptually the same as the irish Goblin if you look at the folklore.

My peeve is a snake-haired person called a Medusa. Medusa was a cursed creature called a Gorgon. These creatures are called Gorgons in MTG, however. The Gorgon in D&D is another creature entirely... So that screwed up everything in the way that you can't change it back. Plus, players who aren't that interested in mythology will have a better picture in mind when hearing 'a medusa'.

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>>46055255
I'm actually kind of a fan of the "Individual who became a species" monsters, myself.

You know I really wouldn't give a fuck about letting kobolds go back to being a kind of goblin or gnome or whatever, but... what do I call my half-pint lizard people, then? I can't just not have those.

>>46055323
Draconids?
Draclings?
Dragonettes?

>>46054849
>>46055255
Last time I checked Bahamut was the great a'tuin in fish form, but now I am hearing something about him being a dragon now? The heck?

>>46053276
The only race in the Player's Handbook with any kind of disadvantage is dark elves, who have Sunlight Sensitivity. Racial penalties to ability scores have been gone since 4E.

>>46055304

Me, too. Gives me 2e Birthright vibes.

I wonder what The Kobold would be like?

>>46049440
>Clever

Or maybe that's just become the way of playing Kobolds. I mean, it's not like the monster manual has adjusted to the perception of kobolds being goblins but smart, I guess it's just a bunch of idiots who think they're being original!

Kill yourself.

>>46055754
Is this the new meme? Anons pretending to be so retarded they've never heard of how for the past 40 years bahamut has been painted in popular culture as a dragon instead of the fish he originally was?

Or is it some fedora tipping bullshit where you have to show off how you know something everyone already knows? I've seen this too many times for it to be genuine stupidity. I refuse to believe there's more than one anon who has lived under a rock so heavy that he never encountered the 'bahamut is a dragon' thing.

>>46056102
Probably the latter. Babylon mythology is obscure enough to get a little bit of hipster cred for knowing basic facts. "Look at me, I spent five minutes on Wikipedia, I'm special!" You sure are, buddy.

I've actually only ever seen one show up in a campaign. It was a named special kobold fighter that got 1 turned.

So they're just fodder like everything else that fights the pc's I guess,

>>46051851
>>46052073
>>46052738
>those hands

She must give the best ____hugs.

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>>46055255
I'm really glad that the MTG design team kinda hates D&D and isn't afraid to ignore the current FRP cliches.

>>46054849
How do feel about MTG's Kobolds?

>>46056301
Most definitely, though she might not be too accustomed to them herself.

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>>46049159

You gotta be a real freak to think lizard cloaca sounds hot.

>>46055135
No, it's an old meme from long before the internet. For many retards, it's also sound advice.

>>46056102
To be quite frank, i've always disliked Bahamut of D&D, good dragons are frankly shitty and bizarre that lessen the magnitude of what a dragon should be.

If I want Bahamut, i'd rather the enigmatic dragon-god summon from Final Fantasy that shoots a massive laser beam from space to obliterate your foes. Not something that doddles around in human form helping peasants.

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>>46055255
The worst offender in this sort of situation is 'pegasi'. A Latin pluralization (used in English) of a Greek name belonging to an individual mythological horse.

If you won't say 'pegasuses', it should frankly be 'pegasoi'.

>>46055135
I think it's just one anon who believes all of /tg/'s problems can be solved with masturbation

>>46054849
I feel the same about Trolls, making them out as some sort of brutes instead of clever magicians.

>>46055323

Just have different breeds of Kobold.

Dragon Tribe, Wolf Tribe, Gnome Tribe.

Gnobolds are the retarded offspring of Gnomes and Kobolds. They possess higher magical power than either of their parents, but initially lack the brainpower to use it. Furthermore, they are trusting and don't have very good survival instincts. That said, they are the friendliest breed of Kobold to modern society, and they have a knack for learning through mimicry.

Those few that do manage to survive long enough gain enough intelligence to become sapient, and with it, a lot of power to throw around. While Gnobolds have the shortest life expectancy of all Kobolds, they also surprisingly have the highest natural longevity of all Kobolds, with the capacity to outlive even Elves. With that age comes more and more intelligence, and thus higher control over their steadily growing magical abilities.

Gnobolds are shunned by most races. Gnomes and Kobolds both view them as absolutely disgusting, being the half-breed spawn of both of them. Others shun them for more practical reasons, such as their lack of control over their volatile magical abilities Gnobolds don't last long in the wild, as they lack the survival instincts of animals and the knowledge of sapient beings--although predators don't last very long either, as emotion plays a large part in how their magic manifests itself. The best hope for a Gnobold is to mimic humans doing human things, and hope that the humans accept them instead of just killing them outright. With proper training, gnobolds can learn basic chores and a modicum of control over their burgeoning power.

While all Gnobolds go through a larval period wherein they aren't actually sapient, the ones who do somehow live long enough to achieve sapience eventually remember everything that happened to them when they were still animals. They have a tendency to repay their debts in kind, whatever they may be.

>>46049159
Mooks, add a bit of culture if my players are like "Muh koballs!", other than that I keep them low on the global scale, cause they are a race that survives by being rare and not a bother to anyone but adventurers.

>>46049159
>Kobold
>Touching your gold
Who is the dragon of that bold, I wish to laugh and berate it for undragon behaviour.

>>46050335
How and why?

They are barely cavemen who just dig a lot.

>>46055754
And tiamat pooped out hundreds of monstrosities. Not to mention that Dagon wasn't that lovecraftian after all.

>>46057029
Eh, both of those are valid folklore traditions. The troll in the tale of the three billy goats gruff is more of the brutish sort.

If I were building a setting and wanted to give Kobolds a civilization and cities off their own, how so you suppose I should go about doing it?

I look at the history of the Orcs/Orsimer in the Elder Scrolls series and part of me likes the idea of the Kobold race once having a grand civilization and a shining city of their own, but which was sacked and pillaged in ancient times. Theyve tried to restore their city and civilization several times in the past, only to be quite thoroughly stomped back down by the other bigger races.

>>46052738
>the guy who did all the A-10 lewds
RJ does it again.

I like them, but I avoid taking the traps to the extremes of the meme version of tucker's kobolds. At some level of traps, the players use of smart tactics and caution is irrelevant, that sheer statistics indicates they will die because there are enough traps that they will statistically miss enough of them to get killed.

>>46057511
Not even slightly fishy, as a matter of fact. But people didn't realize that until relatively recently, because they assumed a connection between the consonantal root 'dg', meaning 'fish', and the name 'dgn'. But there's a rarer root 'dgn', meaning 'grain', which is where the deity's name originated.

>>46058214
That's not too far from how it is in Races of the Dragon, actually.

>>46049195
I find the opposite to be true. If I see a bunch of kobolds coming at me, I'll generally laugh and toss off a fireball or wade in and have some fun in melee.

If I see one single kobold coming at me, you bet your ass I'm gettin' the fuck outta Dodge. There is only one reason that you could be facing only one kobold: you're about to get blown the fuck up, or that kobold is templated out the ass with ~20 character levels.

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I don't like them as cutesy fuck nuggets.

I generally have them, and goblins for that matter, as something like the hobbes from Fable. A thin veneer of comic relief over a genuinely dark and disturbing reality.

Physically I'm really partial to the Final Fantasy depiction.

>>46049159
Eh, they're okay.

>>46051116
> Who said it was a coal mine, anon?
Clearly, the guy you're responding to did. Pay attention.

>>46055135
It started as advice to jerk off before you go on a date, so you're not making decisions based on what your dick wants at the moment, which actually can help you to avoid some... regrettable decisions.

And then, as usual, the internet has taken that and is in the process of beating it to death.

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>>46051281
>Dragon
>Definitely a sexual deviant then
>Well, yes. But not necessary kobold related.
Well how else do you think we got these "Dragonborn" all of a sudden?

>>46051851
>Kobolds are meant to be THICC ADVENTURERS.
DAT CON!!!

>>46051898
>Not in most games of D&D I've played.
I like this set up!

>>46052010
>putting tits on lizards
Hey, Crazy Dragon Goddess will put tits on whatever she damn well please!

>>46052073
>>Not having a scaly version of monotreme, births eggs but feeds with milk.
EXACTLY!!!

>>46055135
>>46056915
>I think it's just one anon who believes all of /tg/'s problems can be solved with masturbation
Yeah, he generally does not understand where he is right now...

>>46049159
Gotta get to level 2 one way or the other. May as well wipe out some pests to do so.

>>46052811

Her pelvis doesn't stop until her rib cage. I think there will be enough vaginal wall left to bust a nut desu senpai

>>46051051

What if "kobold" is just a generic form for pygmy variants of larger monstrous humanoid races?

- Reptilian kobolds are pygmy lizardmen.
- Dogbolds are pygmy gnolls.
- Germanic hairy-goblinish kobolds are pygmy bugbears.

... Halflings are human kobolds.

>>46052925
>orcs
Pre-unification german states. Your argument is now invalid.
>sea-folk
You're just retarded and can't come up with feasible alternate solutions. The tech path of humanity is not the only possible tech path, certainly not under wildly different environments.

>>46059681
Stealing this for my next shithouse tolkein setting.

>>46059690
>Pre-unification German States were war-obsessed murderfuck.

You need to learn some history son. Not saying a war-obsessed murderfuck society is not possible or impossible to have long-lasting but no on your attempt at historical justification.

>>46059681
I like it

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>>46049159
For some reason they're my favorite race to play.
I like lizardy things and I like the archetype of being the small dude in the party. So they're perfect for me.
Though I never take it to the MEME levels. I tend to play a cleric or paladin 'bold just to mix things up.

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>>46049213

Halflings with scales.

>>46052010
>reptile
>bipedal
>opposable thumbs
>capable of human expressions
that's all fine but tits aren't?

>>46052010
>>46066318
>I encounter a centaur
>I ask him whether his species evolved from apes or horses
>he says he doesn't know, there's probably magic involved
>I report him to the realism police
Stupid fantasy, stop being fantastic!

>>46049159
I actually don't hate kobolds, but the idea of having them be goblins who are superior in every technological and tactical aspect and nothing else is a little fucky.

In my campaign world, I use lizard-halfling kobolds who are actually generally a society composed entirely of pilgrims looking for enlightenment and their dragon gods that have abandoned them long ago (dragons don't exist in my setting, at least not anymore). Some Kobolds worship serpentmen god-emperors alongside serpentmen, and some worship giant scaly beasts like fantasy Deinosuchus or Behir just because that's the closest thing to a dragon they've been able to find. Some form really intensely defensive societies that hoard relics and kidnap food sacrifices to great reptilian beasts, while others are really just peaceful eternal pilgrims and explorers looking for some sign of a golden age when the dragons ruled the sky that might have never even existed in the first place.

I think that any creature can work in a campaign if they're used well, but fap bait is never a good reason to include a creature in a campaign unless you and your players agree beforehand to have it be a Magical Realm game.

>>46054662
Goblins and Kobolds hate each other don't they? Was under the impression Kobolds generally slated Goblins for not having as pure blood lines or some shit.

Either that or my Goblin character really has a problem with Kobolds

>>46067696
I'll admit I don't actually know what the official line is on racial relations there.

>>46054849
> Posting French reaction pic

I like them. I run them as extremely physical weak, and not nearly as numerous as Goblins, but very intelligent and industrious, and thus naturally, cautious and paranoid. Thus, Kobolds make excellent advisors for immoral enterprises, and can wind up with a lot of money. One of my main recurring sort-of-villains is basically Kobold Lex Luthor; any of the PCs could beat his ass, but they're too afraid of whatever contingencies he's set up, and he keeps making himself JUST USEFUL ENOUGH to leave around.

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I've actually fallen in love with Kobolds as a species recently thanks to a character I made for a D&D game that didn't happen (Lawful-Good Kobold Paladin) named Dugh. I won't go into detail, as I've ranted about him up and down in the drawthread, but I think they as a species have a lot of potential. They're smarter than they let on and though statwise they're terrible, they've got some pretty neat tricks.

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I think kobolds are fantastic. I like playing them, I like fighting them, and a while ago I gave in and actually started a comic about them.

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>>46068298
Fuckin lol m8. What are the chances we both post within 4 minutes of each other?

I'm still workin on your pic, might have it done by the end of the week if I can get some freetime and the god damned pose nailed down.

>>46068379
Well shit, looks like we're destined to meet. Glad to hear that it's coming along, though! Super stoked to see the final version!

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>>46068595

This thread makes me think goblins could be fleshed out more in D&D. It seems like kobolds sort of took a few things goblins do in other game's setting(s) though.

>>46068744
Well it helps that Kobolds are descended from Tiamat and Goblins are descended from...I dunno, dirt?

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kobolds were made for sex

Kobolds are okay.

I like them from more anthropomorphic to more traditional NPC kill-them race. They've since become something of an underdog player character species because they're small and quirky and multicolored scale things are cute. And everybody likes taking things like pygmy marmosts or koala bears and giving them god powers, proving they can be wicked and smart and horrible, too, so naturally with Pun-Pun and PC races, kobolds wind up that way to.

but I still like'em. Passe or not.

>>46058991
>>46055135
The Japanese actually have a word for it that basically means "The clarity of mind (in regard to thinking) after sexual release."

>>46066318
Now you get it

>>46065570
Yeah shit like that.

>>46066318
I didn't know thumbs, bipedal locomotion and expressions were biologically keyed to non-lizards.

You do realize that "mammal" is very much defined by "mammary glands". You won't find a single mammal without them and you won't find any non-mammals with them.

>>46070284
It's a humanoid lizard, tits are the last thing that would make them unbelievable.

>>46057399
They need to touch your gold to get to you to take care of your scales, obviously.

If your kobolds don't have to pick their way through canyons of gold, I'd want to report YOU for undragon behaviour.

>>46070317
>It's a humanoid lizard

Yes, and? What makes a lizard less capable of having humanoid form than a mammal?

>>46070284
>What are monotremes?

>>46070338
>"Like other mammals, monotremes are warm-blooded with a high metabolic rate (though not as high as other mammals; see below); have hair on their bodies; produce milk through mammary glands to feed their young; have a single bone in their lower jaw; and have three middle-ear bones."

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>>46070284
Then make them humanoid pangolins then.

>>46070337
The fact such a thing thing doesn't exist.

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>>46070355
Oh, we've gone that route before.

>>46070371
But what stops them from existing? You're saying that it's more plausible for a lizard to grow mammary glands than to assume a humanoid form.

>>46070351
They also lay eggs. So tits+eggs isn't even a fantasyfetish only thing.

>>46070377
Byoutiful.

>>46070389
>definition of a lizard: eggs

Back to biology class, m80.

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>you will never have a fit, devilish rogue of a kobold boyfriend

>>46070387
No, I'm saying they're both equally outlandish biologically and it's all fantasy shit.

>>46070389
You know there are some mammals that lay eggs too, right? And some reptiles that give live birth.

>>46070411
>equally outlandish biologically

How is it outlandish for lizards to have humanoid form? Mammals come in fish form, egg laying duck beaver form, hairless dick rat form, ape form, etc. What in lizard biology makes it so impossible for them to assume a humanoid form that them growing mammary glands is equally plausible?

>>46070428
I was TALKING about those, you goof.

Monotremes. They lay eggs, but also lactate.

>>46070404
>Birds are lizards
>Fish are lizards.
>Platypi are lizards.

>>46070455
>I was TALKING about those, you goof.
>Monotremes. They lay eggs, but also lactate.

And this makes tits on a lizard ok because... Lizards lay eggs?

>>46070464
I'm using it as an example of how it's perfectly legit to have both. Having one does not preclude the other.

>>46070464
Not him, but about as okay as centuries old, colossal lizards with wings and hyper intelligence, able to breathe fire and use magic derived from their ancient gods giving birth to them, one of which having five heads that shape-shifts into human form to fuck men and have their secret evil babies.

>>46070479
>lizards are defined solely by their ability to lay eggs and nothing more

>>46070496
Well, once we face a 5-headed fire breathing kobold with wings and hyper intelligence of divine ancestry, I'll promise not to say anything about its tits.

>>46070496
Secret Evil Babies would be a good band name.

>>46070511
You don't have to say anything, we all know they were amazing.

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>>46051081
oh hey I always wondered where this was from

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>>46070548
>You don't have to say anything, we all know they were amazing.
Props Tiamat!

>>46070591
Hah. I don't think that writer actually knows what a "gag reflex" is... it sounds like they were just trying to imply that kobolds have strong stomachs.

Kobolds are basically like Platypuses

Odd mamals that lay eggs

>>46073538
>Odd mamals that lay eggs

You wot.

They're kind of reverse Monotreme dude. Reptiles that feed with milk.

>>46073887
No, they're like to lizards that their young follow adults around and eat their shit for nourishment until they are old enough to find solid food themselves

>>46052286
Honestly, I just use the Halfling template and call it a kobold.
It ain't too bad.

>>46049707
The artist is Pixel-Butts

>>46074329
You don't really need to. Kobolds have stats, they just suck and have minuses to everything but DEX.

Cutebolds are shit.

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>>46051851
>>46052073
>>46052738

>fast breeding race
>all their females have enormous swaggerin' birthing hips

I know this isn't even a trope but I want to make it one due to the 1% of me saying it makes biological sense and isn't just fetish fuel

Just kidding, it's totally fetish fuel

>>46065570
If those are plug suits, does that mean there are dragon EVAs somewhere?

>>46075804
Dragoness EVAs, the entry plugs are phallic for a reason

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>>46075778
C A N O N
A
N
O
N

>>46075804
You're now imagining Tiamat pinned to a giant cross with a huge spear through her chest.

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>>46075976
>now entering Terminal Dogma

>>46075939
Best cannon

>>46075778
Well it makes sense you know.

Humans can only give birth so many times before it starts risking the mother's health.

Make birthing easier (With both eggs and hips) and there's less chance of the mother being hurt in the process.

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>>46049159
They have a nice flavor.

I usually try to consume them when I can: it's a good variation than the goblins and orcs I usually get.

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>>46049159
Reptilian Goblins only more incompetent

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>>46077559
Perhaps you should dial back the unecessary edge. This isn't your blog.

Rolled 5 (1d20)

>>46077662
Hey, not my fault they keep coming to try and take our shit.

It's self defense, I swear! I totally did not insult their progenitors or their dragon heritage.
roll for bluff

>>46075939
Be careful, I've been banned for posting a less lewd picture of the same subject matter by the same artist.
>the rule says "never do XYZ", written clearly for all to see
>person A does XYZ, is punished
>person B does XYZ, is not punished
>this is considered justice

>>46077750
Contesting the work of janitors is also ban-worthy. You might want to be careful.

>>46070355
Wow that actually makes a lot of sense for what Kabolds are.

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>>46077559

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>>46065570
>>46075804
>If those are plug suits, does that mean there are dragon EVAs somewhere?
>>46075894
>Dragoness EVAs, the entry plugs are phallic for a reason
>>46075976
>>46076070
I wanted to post "GET IN THE TARRESQUES SHINJI!"
But I couldn't find that female Tarresques with wings picture...

>>46075778
>>fast breeding race
>>all their females have enormous swaggerin' birthing hips
>I know this isn't even a trope but I want to make it one due to the 1% of me saying it makes biological sense and isn't just fetish fuel
>Just kidding, it's totally fetish fuel
>>46075939
>C A N O N
BEST FETISH CANON!!!

>>46077421
>Well it makes sense you know.
>Humans can only give birth so many times before it starts risking the mother's health.
>Make birthing easier (With both eggs and hips) and there's less chance of the mother being hurt in the process.
Again, props Tiamat!
The only suggestion I could make is that Kobolds are like Asari, they don't even need a male partner to conceive!

>>46077750
>Be careful, I've been banned for posting a less lewd picture of the same subject matter by the same artist.
>>the rule says "never do XYZ", written clearly for all to see
>>person A does XYZ, is punished
>>person B does XYZ, is not punished
>>this is considered justice
They quite frankly rarely bother with what their boards want, and instead just enforce their own idea of what is appropriate...

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>>46077870
Too bad I can't do anything with Kobold eggs though... The chefs I consumed say it makes quite a killer omelette.

I can only imagine what it would be to eat roasted kobold with scrambled egg....

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>>46077662
>>46077870
>never read dungeon meshi

>>46077965
No. Really. Stop being an edgy twat.

>>46077990
What, the series where eating sapient beings and particularly humanoids is highly frowned upon?

>>46077990
Don't they mostly try to avoid eating sapient creatures?

>>46077998
Hey, I'm just sayin': they are really fucking tasty. You should give the kebab a try.

>>46078016
>>46078015
>sapient
depends on the setting.

Plus, if they only exist to fuck with the other races, there's nothing bad about genociding the lot, much less processing the corpses for food.

>>46078049
In what settings are kobolds not sapient creatures?

>>46078080
I want to say I've heard of one where a "kobold" is some prety much mindless creature that exists only to mine for he sake of mining or something. But for the life of me I can't rember what series it was, or if indeed it even exists...

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with sexy kobolds.

Small little races aren't typically very sexy, nobody in their right mind thinks Halflings or Dwarves are sexy, so kobolds are a good race to put in this spot instead.

>>46078709
There are clearly plenty of people not in their right mind when it comes to halflings. And dwarf women can be pretty good-looking too if they don't insist on the weird bearded lady thing and you're into thick body types.

>>46078255
>I've heard of one where a "kobold" is some prety much mindless creature that exists only to mine for he sake of mining or something.

You don't mind if I take this idea for kobolds in my setting, do you?

It would fit well with making them robots.

>>46077611
I've always preferred kobolds as more competent, just with fewer numbers and physically weaker. Kobolds will use their traps and terrain to good effect, while goblins just mob you with wave after wave until you die or kill enough goblins to scare the rest off.

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>>46078811
>you're into thick body types.
Even then, Dwarven women often end up too blocky...

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>>46078709
>nobody in their right mind thinks Halflings or Dwarves are sexy
are you sure

>>46078888
With those quads I should damn well hope he doesn't.

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>>46077910
I think this one fits better.

>>46079531
>I think this one fits better.
True, but the only mecha dragoness I've got would probably catch a ban for "Furry."

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>>46049159

>>46056026

>"kobolds are goblins but smart"

>goblins are int 10, wis 8
>kobolds are int 8, wis 7

>40k
>everything is exactly the same
>except that the orks are replaced with kobolds

>>46079751
Huh. I did not know that, really should be the other way round for crunch to follow fluff.

Now I'm wondering what a true goblin civilisation would be like with cities and whatnot.

>>46070591
l-lewd

>>46079751
5e kobolds are an anomaly
They've always been at least equal with goblins when it comes to mental stats before.

>>46068858
Whats the actual word you weeaboo fuck.

>>46080095
In pathfinder, they have equal mental stats in both bestiary entries and pc race statblocks. Except for charisma. Goblins have a -2 cha compared to bolds.

The oppressed underclass of the nation of monsters.

>>46070284
You also won't find a single lizard with facial muscles. Their facial expressions is limited to jaw and tongue movement and eye direction.

>>46049159
I want to be one and then violently facefucked nightly.

>>46082271

Why that specifically?

>>46082271
Well, sure doesn't everyone? I just don't go around telling everyone about my desire to be shoved onto a meaty dick.

>>46052073
No thanks.

>>46082445
Because I have a huge face fucking fetish and kobolds are the perfect size to be face fucked.

>>46082522
OP asked my opinion on them and I gave it. Being fucked as one is a strong second. Your the perfect size to be man handled and forced.

>>46056636
Someone is in denial.

>>46082530
Were you breast fed too often, anon?

>>46082522
>>46082530
>>46082547

This is funny, it's my fetish from the opposite direction. I personally love the thought of changing people into kobolds and then roughly sex them up at my leisure.

>>46082572
Well then. I think we know what must be done.

>>46082594
Will you be my internet bf?

>>46082572
According to my mom she breast fed me until I was around two.

I think big tits are disgusting. Anything bigger than a small B is just a massive turn off.

>>46082712
It's not the breasts that attracts you. It's the nipple. Your lizard brain wants to suck milk out of it.

>>46082778
Huh that's an interesting theory. I do love the feeling when the guy cums and you can feel it coat the inside of your mouth.

>>46082693

Sure. Give me some contact info or something, or else you're just shitposting and wasting time.

>>46082778

Lizards don't have milk though.

>>46082816
You know what I mean. The lower animal brain, not the higher reasoning.

>>46082816
My skype is shauna_snow. Alternatively my throwaway email is [email protected]

>>46070389
Mamary glands arent the same as tits. Have you seen an echidna or platypus tit?

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>>46082853
>>46082816
>kobold cybersex hookups occuring
I.. didn't expect this when I woke up today.

>>46083053
The Internet is a magical place that surprises us with its power each and every day.

>>46083075
The worrying thing is I half want get in on it.

Errr, anyway back to kobolds. Kobold discussion.
What is a kobold civilisation like? Not tribal huts, but a full blown kingdom, republic or empire. And without going steampunk.

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>>46083075
You could almost say it's a... magical realm.

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>>46049159
>>46049397
>>46051851
>>46052010
>>46052073
>>46052738
>>46065570
>>46075778
>>46075939
>>46077910
>>46079531

>>46083033
Tits are what happens when you use mammary glands to advertise.

>>46079531
>the two soldiers at the bottom

"Y'know Charles... I'd like to have sex with one of those cyberdragons one day."
>"You're a strange, strange man Steven."
"Don't hear you sayin' you wouldn't."
>"Well, my ma never raised a liar."

>>46083131
>The worrying thing is I half want get in on it.

Do it! Only good things can happen.

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Personally, I'm not a fan of 'cute' depictions of Kobolds. I think Kobolds being ugly, greedy little cowards is a big part of what makes them appealing as scrappy underdogs.

No disrespect to people who are into cutebolds though, you guys are aight.

>>46083131

Get in on it in what way?

Is this becoming a harem anime?

>>46083131
Well investing in and building a civilisation is hard. You don't want to have been building a city for a few years only for a pack of annoying humans to come along and smash the place up. So if you're a Kobold which is traditionally weaker than most other races you're either going to need to build somewhere most of the bullies won't go (Like maybe a huge volcanic wasteland filled with toxic erupting gasses) or you're going to have to throw your lot in with someone to protect you (traditionally probably a dragon with some dental insurance package but maybe with other humanoids).

>>46083419
If it is, I need chat logs.

>>46083419
I could be part of a harem. I would have to be at the bottom though. Used by everyone. Imagine another getting fucked hard and then they come to use you to relive their frustrations.

>>46083131
I do too, but I don't have Skype.
I always like kobold civilizations being generally low tech camps, complete with improvised solutions to engineering problems and makeshift traps used to dissuade invaders from entering their warrens. A kobold's best tools are his hands, his creativity, and whatever the hell he can get his grubby little claws on.

>>46079475
Sorry nobody but pedophiles in denial or people not in their right minds.

>>46083564
Oh well. We all know what both love and lust can do to people's senses.

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>>46056636
But anon...

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>>46083564
If liking shortstacks makes me a paedophile, I'm moving to the Vatican.

I like kobolds as scrappy dragonlings with all the magic and forte sucked out of them. Making them slinky, subservient and insecure kind of makes them an opposite sort of evil than the majestic and Grand Vizier-y kind that regular dragons do. They make a good foil to dragons is what I'm saying.

QED dogbolds are shit, garbo, get out of my face with them.

>>46070455
Birds aren't lizards, but they are dinosaurs, and therefore reptiles (as long as you're using cladism and not trait-based systems like a filthy barbarian). It's actually impossible to form a clade that includes both crocodiles and lizards but excludes birds because birds are more closely related to crocodiles and alligators than lizards or snakes are.

Kobolds are in this strange spot where nobody can agree what they are. D&D made them lizards that happen to be related to dragons, but that's not anywhere close to universal. It's basically just a catch all term for a strange fantasy creature, usually a person, with fey connotations. Sort of like goblin, except goblin has went through even more solidifying.

>>46079609
This.
What the fuck is wrong with you people?

>>46083952
Anonymity shields us from shame.

>>46083722
God damn! Half her weight is curves! Fuck!

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>>46079751
That really depends on what you're playing.

>>46084447
Odd that NPC kobolds are usually smarter than their goblin equivalents but PC kobolds have a lower intelligence ceiling. Not inconceivable, though, I suppose.

>>46083131
>>46083555
Me three. Maybe we could use discord/telegram?

>>46084488
I'd guess that very few of either hit maximum int, and those tend to be PCs. So kobolds are smarter on average and have a higher charisma maximum (lewd?), but the smartest goblin PC is smarter than the smartest kobold PC (but still less charismatic, and equal on wisdom). In short, kobolds have a higher mean and a slightly smaller range.

>>46083952
>>46084255
HA! No. I'll gladly give out my contact info. I'm just a kinky guy who sees no reason to hide what he likes. Shame is for the pathetic.

I hate them but moreso because /tg/ fetishes this dumb cunt race

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>>46049795
Anon, that picture is not a murder. This girl is just really into erotic asphyxiation and she hired these kobolds to surprise her with a good choking and the one in the foreground is just collecting the payment. She really does look way too aroused for being choked to death.

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I'll admit it; I like my kobolds fetishy... Off the game board.
In game they're a fairly interesting minor draconic race with a penchant for traps.
It's like succubi. I do love my weeaboo essence training sluts online. But my characters are going to see a blob of pure Evil that needs slaying.

>>46084922
>the one in the foreground is just collecting the payment.

I like how happy the kobold is with a job done professionally and with the customer's needs in mind. You can really tell he doesn't value just the gold, he values his work and his place in the crazy machine we call society.

>>46084982
>essence training
Is that how you gain levels as a sorcerer?

>>46085045
It should be draining, not training.
But yeah sure that works too.

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>>46079475
>Bread
>Human fashion

FUCKING SURFACERS!!! GET OUT OF MY THAIG!!! RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

>>46085290
It looks like Ironforge. They have a train from there to the human capital.

>>46085327
I thought it was Orzammar from Dragon Age. Oh well.

>>46085400
Bread merchant in the financial area flanked by residential and a fiery trench running in a great circle. Gotta be Ironforge, though a lot of fantasy dwarven architecture looks the same.

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I think as a species kobolds are fine, but 90% of the players I've met who want to play kobolds are subhuman garbage.

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For some reason I find the massive ego it takes to look down on other races while being fucking kobolds oddly endearing, so I suppose I've got something of a soft spot for them.

I never liked the slavish devotion to dragons thing, though I'm probably in the minority there

>>46083131
>>46083555
>>46084546
>>46084753
I- Is this still a thing?

>>46084922
Around Kobolds
Watch your golds.

>>46086410
>>46084546
@Gyrocoptor on Telegram if it still is.