Pathfinder General - /pfg/

The only thing Hursk should be shipped with is a good character builder.

so, if im a first level wizard, i can be slightly useful two times in a day

what do i do the rest of the time?

>>46042423
Seoni+Seoni. Done.

>>46042504
Fire your crossbow and pray.

>>46042504
Cantrip!

>>46042423
All of Fell's Five together, at the same time.
>Even the dwarf and the elf?
ESPECIALLY the dwarf and the elf.

For being better iconic characters than any of these chumps.

>>46042423
>I'm afraid you have "Shit DM doesn't understand the concept of a story and thinks that unless players feel encouraged to fuck up every scene, they're being railroaded" syndrome.
I understand the concept of a story just fine.

>Story: "an account of imaginary or real people and events told for entertainment."
>Plot: "the main events of a play, novel, movie, or similar work, devised and presented by the writer as an interrelated sequence."

I just don't feel a need to force specific moments to happen in a pre-scripted manner to make these things happen.

I make situations and characters with motivations and goals, and I make a timeline of what happens if the PCs don't get involved (as there will be many interrelated plots going on simultaneously and the PCs won't be able to be present to fuck with all of them).

The story and plot come from how the PCs try to fuck with the events in my predesigned timeline, and how it works out for them.

Sometimes they stop the necromancer from raising an army of zombies. Other times they ignore the necromancer to chase down the dragon worshipping cult that's murdering people, and the necromancer now has an army.

Other times still, they fuck off and lay low for a while (or perhaps temporarily abandon the plot to pursue personal goals), and when they come back to it, stuff has happened without their meddling.

Why do you feel a need to force specific events to happen a specific way?

Cleric (Cardinal)
>becomes 6 skill points per level
>gains skills
>loses a domain
>becomes spontaneous casting
>loses medium armor prof
>BAB changes

Alchemist Archetypes
>Alchemical Sapper - Moar Splosions!
>Interrogator - Uses truths serums, etc.
>Metamorph - shapechange is along the lines of alter self then progerssing through monstrous physique as levels are gained.

Occultist Archetypes
>Ancestral Aspirant focuses on his/her family lore and ancestry.
>Secret Seeker uses objects to gain information and trading information/secrets.

Inquisitor Archetypes
>Cloaked Wolf - appears harmless, but isn't.
>Faith Hunter - have special obsession with edaricating enemies with certain beliefs.
>Secret Seeker - excel at extracting answers.
>Tactical Leader - prefers working with like-minded allies.
>Traceless Operative - they are sneaky and stuff.
>Umbral Stalker - strikes from the shadows.
>Vigilant Defender - sort of a bodyguard for clergy.

Druid (Fey Speaker)
>6 skill points per level
>spontaneous CHA casting
>Gains access to some Sor/Wiz spells from Enchanment/Illusion
>gains ability to bluff animals
>gains new class skills

Ranger (Dandy)
>Gains a Favored Nation
>"Rumor Empathy,"
>Favored terrain changes a bit
>allies mush be chosen for Hunter's Bond
>Cha-based spellcasting
>ability to crash parties.

Spiritualist (Zeitgeist Binder)
>spirit is based on settlement statistics like corruption or society

Spiritualist (Shadowcaller)
>spirit is a shadow
>gains shadow/shades abilities

Remember to always maintain readiness to DM a shitty module because your real DM can never be trusted not to bail!

if a creature or person casts invisibility, can detect magic see them? its still magic once the spells cast so shouldnt detect magic see them?

>>46042606
I also deliberately incorporate random plot elements. Not just "ye old wandering monster table", but tables (or quick and dirty software) that might randomize the sequence of major events, or place various major NPCs in unexpected (but plausible) locations, etc.

The game's more fun if I don't know how things are going to play out, or what's going to happen.

>>46042683
Nope, that would replicate the effects of a higher level spell.

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>>46042683
>http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/coreRulebook/spells/detectMagic.html

No. Detect Magic will tell you that there is something magical in the area. After the 3rd round, you can tell that there is an Illusion (glamer) effect in the area if you make the Spellcraft check.

>>46042880
ok, cause for detect magic t detects the presence and eventually location of magical auras, but if a creature has a magical item on it, can detect magic find the magic item? and thus the user?

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So, out of curiosity and as someone who has never played 3.x/Pathfinder what's the largest/most powerful army of the undead a necromancer of any class and level combinations can permanently control or control all at once?

>>46042980
Dread Necromancer from 3.5s Heroes of Horror 20?

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>>46042968
Is the user moving or stationary?

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Recommended distribution for a psychic warrior on a 20 point buy?

>>46043073
What type of psychic warrior were you interested in making

>>46043073
See >http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?361785-PF-Slicing-Clawing-and-Smashing-a-Guide-to-the-Pathfinder-Psychic-Warrior-WIP

If I were to take the Juju revelation that grants speak with animals but only for one animal type, which type would be the most useful?

>>46043050
detect magic is within a 60ft cone, so lets say they are moving within the cone

Is the warlord MAD?

>>46043195
No, they really just need an attack stat, Constitution, and Charisma. That's all.

>>46043216
So yes, they're MAD. Thanks for the answer, even if you were too stupid to understand.

>>46043168

Birds. They often get into awful places, you can teach them to steal things and poop on people you hate, and you can annoy your teammates by constantly using the phrase "a little bird told me..."

>>46043239
Calling >>46043216 too stupid to understand is rich, when you couldn't even be assed to go to the SRD and look at the class yourself, you knuckle-dragging luddite.

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>>46042661
Dandy?

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>>46043170
If the invisible creature with the magical item stayed within the area of the spell's effect, then you could find them if you studied the area long enough.

That's how I would rule it, but a situation that complex depends on the DM.

>>46043333
>being this butthurt

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>>46043239
At least he's attempting to be helpful, where you're just a lazy cunt who can't be bothered to google "pathfinder warlord."

>>46043382
>still going "u mad" in 2012+4

>>46043195
Nope, just a little ANGRY.

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>>46043357

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>>46043239
Sounds like you're the mad one, anon.

Martials are always going to be just a little bit MAD, the point is whether their relative power is heavily impacted by it. Plus, with their healing and temp hit points scaling off CHA, they're not as dependent on CON as other martial classes.

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>>46043436
>>46043333

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>>46043479
>hurf durf i am the master troll

>>46043513
>still replying
Congrats on bring this TRIGGERED.

>>46042423
Why is the elf playing with her tits?

>>46043548
Why not?

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>>46043548

>>46043548
I just now realized that wasn't the cleric's hand.

>>46043649
It's a reasonable assumption, given the cleric and rogue are in lesbians together.

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>>46043548
She might be adjusting her armor.

>>46043668
That image is weird.

The devil looks like he wants to eat her.

Seoni looks like she's holding off a pushy guy who wants a kiss.

There's no consistency.

>>46043548
Because Paizo can't write or design gay/lesbian or trans characters without hypersexualizing them.

>>46043734
She's a high-level sorceress, he's just a mook devil maybe.

Ultimate Intrigue, when?

>>46043805
l2Google

>>46043805
>Ultimate Intrigue, when?

It's a secret.

>>46043667
Wait, are they really or is that just a /pfg/ thing? I haven't kept track of which iconic is what SJWbait except for the oft-repeated ones.

So a question... I've seen a lot of people here say PF sucks and even more if it is your first TTRPG, Why is that?

I mean I have looked into a few other systems and from what I've seen Pathfinder is rather simple and easy compared to systems that have 8 base stats and use two of them for all skill checks in addition to a number of extra things.

It's not like I am going to change system now that I've finally got a small round to start. But I am wondering what the reasoning might be?

>>46043824
It's canon, yeah. The relationship's actually pretty cute.

>>46043824
The comics have the rogue and cleric in a relationship with each other. It's a real thing.

>>46043824
It's a thing. They're lesbian in eachother in the comic.

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>>46043734
Grappling rules are weird.

Also, some of Genzoman's drawings look strange when he has people fighting.

>http://genzoman.deviantart.com/gallery/

You can tell that they're fighting, but it doesn't seem like a fight to the death.

>>46043805
Late April, anon.

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>>46043824

>>46043750
Isn't that a pit fiend?

>>46043816
>>46043823
I heard that the kickstaters are getting the book soon, just wondering when someone will post some stuff from it. Like the Vigilante.

>>46043825

Poor balance, trap options, confusing language here and there. But hey, we like it.

>>46043824
They started fucking a week after they met because the Cleric healed the Rogue's wounds.
Literally.

What should the stat priority look like for an ertw beguiler?

>>46043825
Pathfinder is incredibly rules heavy. It gets bogged down with so many +'s to everything that it's easy to slip up on what stacks with what and so on. Rules light systems like 5E are much easier for newer players, less moving parts to keep track of and fewer unintendedly game-breaking combinations.

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>>46043867
>that fucking face the wizard is making

Also Harsk continues to be a disgrace to all rangerkind, dwarfkind, and existence.

>>46043908
...You got screenshots, because this sounds hilarious.

>>46043893
>tfw someone saved your shitty shoop
Feels good man.

>>46043867
>Harsk is holding the axe so that he smacks people with the blunt side
He really is the worst ranger, isn't he?

>>46043954
Which order are you looking at?

>>46043975
>>46044016
Nah, Hursk is just trying to do his best George Costanza

>>46043548
if you were an elf with tits, wouldn't you?

>>46043825
It has its issues, but I'd still choose it over most other games.

>>46043975
I think he's either having a stroke or having an orgasm.

>>46043875
You mean late March

>>46043867
What the shit is up with Harks's hair?

Did he somehow try to style a pompadour into normally long hair?

>>46043867
Is it just me or does Kyra look like she's fucking surfing on Harsk's back?

>>46043978
I have all the comics, but no screenshots, sorry.

The party had been traveling together for a while, but in the first issue, the cleric joins. A couple issues later, only a few days in the story, Merisial gets chomped on by a black dragon and the cleric saves her life. While she is recovering, they start fucking.

They are cute, but I don't really understand why they started a relationship. They don't really have all that much in common or synch well together.

Meanwhile Valeros is constantly pegged and mocked as a womanizer and Lothario, but is never shown to hook up with anyone, instead being shot down at every turn by everything with breasts.

>>46043867
Look at Valeros' right eyebrow. It's extending well past where it should have stopped.

It also doesn't help that in this image he's built like a gorilla, with giant arms and tiny legs.

Vigilante (Cabalist)
>gain familiar
>4+ Int skills
>loses medium armor proficiency
>casts in light armor
>gain 6th level Witch casting
>gain blood powers (ie. bleed damage attack, bonus vs. bleeding opponents)
>gain shadow/necromancy themed options
>replaces 5 talents (4/8/10/14/16)
>constant concealment effect at later levels

Vigilante (Zealot)
>kept Smite
>replaces 5 talents (4/8/10/14/16)
>kept Inquisitor casting
>gain an alignment aura
>gain and inquisition
>gain Zealot talents

>>46043837
>>46043846
>>46043860
>>46043893
>>46043908
Huh. Well, thanks guys.

>>46044087
>Fighter getting shat on
Yup, that's the Paizo we all know

>>46043974
Well, I am the DM for my newfriend group an for it has worked for me to simply ignore what isn't important. Considering that we play for fun right now, (none of us is even somewhat decent at roleplaying yet) I just try to balance to monsters so they don't kill my players too fast.

Basically I apply a huge amount of Rule 0 everywhere. And as I said, I have seen systems that make Pathfinder look easy as pie.

Black asps are sinister assassin monks. They trade stunning fist and still mind for poison use and Adder Strike as a bonus feat. They can trade monk class abilities (if vanilla monk) or ki powers (if unchained monk) for new ki powers unique to the archetype, usually themed around poison, defeating divination, and similar things.

Sage counselors are mentors who like to speak in metaphors a lot. They tweak monk class skills, trade 1st/2nd/6th level bonus feats for for Combat Expertise/Improved Feint/Greater Feint, ignoring the prereqs, can spend ki to feint as a swift action in exchange for being able to spend ki for an extra attack, and eventually can replace their first attack when flurrying with a feint check in exchange for their 10th level bonus feat, and trade the ability to spend ki to increase their speed for the ability to spend ki to get a +4 Bluff bonus, which also replaces the 4th level ki power for unchained monks.

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>>46044087
I like Valeros. I honestly do.

He's a Fighter. He's in it cuz adventure. And he's one of the less poorly built of the iconics.

Even in a world of SJWs and bullshit, one man remains. One man to adventure for gold, glory, and wenches like his forefathers did.

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>>46044016
How many other dwarven rangers can you think of?

The only one I remember is a snow dwarf from the Year of Rogue Dragons trilogy.

>>46043975
Let's see your character's dynamic action face.

>>46044059
I'm not going to try to justify it.

Forgot, the Cabalist loses specialization, startling/frightening/stunning appearence

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>>46043903

Can't be bothered to scrub right now. You get screen shots.

1/10

>>46044212
>How many other dwarven rangers can you think of?
I know there's a pretty decent one in Pillars of Eternity.

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>>46044199
Yep. He's also significantly dwarfier than the fucking dwarf, which is kind of terrible.

>>46044212
>How many other dwarven rangers can you think of?
I played one in a short campaign. He was a CN Gorumite who wrecked things with an Earthbreaker that the party named "Goblinbreaker". He was hilariously fun and I wish I could play him again.

>Let's see your character's dynamic action face.
Picture related.

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>>46044249

2/10

Question:
Rolling an investigator for Hell's vengeance, taking the role of skill monkey and/or trap roomba. What's the best way to become unstoppable at skills? I'm going Mastermind archetype (slightly worse at finding traps, but able to pass my skill off to others with A Quiet Word), and I'm picking up both Expanded Inspiration and Underworld Inspiration at level 3. Other talents I'm looking at are Inspirational Expertise and Tenacious Inspiration, as well as Inspired Intelligence to pick up what I trade out for the archetype (will be late game, linguistics isn't all that useful and I'll leave spellcraft to the actual mages). Are there any must have feats or items for a skill-heavy build? Are any of the skill unlocks worth it for a build like this?

My combat effectiveness comes from Quick Study at level 5 and Sickening Offensive at level 7, allowing me to no-save debuff a target for as lnog as I focus on him. The barbarian can worry about killing them.

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>>46044199
There's also Alain, the iconic Cavalier.

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>>46044275

3/10

>>46044249
You could send it to QANON and have it scrubbed for you

>>46044249
>>46044275
>>46044295
Just a request, but when you get through the Vigilante, would you be willing to share the Sapper alchemist archetype? I want me some kaboom.

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>>46044295

4/10

>>46044285
Alain's probably not that much of a womanizer, if you understand the vernacular. Not that there's a problem with that. He's still cool as tits.

>>46044038
Petrified Mind

>>46044249
>>46044275
>>46044295
You're doing God's work, anon. Not seeing a whole lot of different from the playtest version, but I guess that's in the specializations and archetypes.

>>46044249
Thanks anon! If possible can we get the Mesmerist/Investigator archetypes too?

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>>46044295

5/9*
*turns out I can't count

>>46044313
I'd rather not. I'm sure it will get out there in time.

>>46044315
Sure, but only because one of my favorite archetypes is in that section.

>>46044249
>totally not a Batman.jpg

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>>46044374

6/9

>>46044359
Lucky you, one of my other faves is a mesmerist archetype.

>>46044374
Any way we can get the Mahou shoujo archetype (I think it is) when you're done with the base?

>>46044374
>Sure, but only because one of my favorite archetypes is in that section.
Sweet.

>>46044249
Post Fey druid too please. It's the only thing that has my interest

Best part about Ultimate Intrigue I think is ruse casting so you can go full asshole wizard

>>46044199
I like him a lot too. He's just in it for the money, fame and bitches.

He doesn't get much of the last two, but he works hard for his share of the treasure.

I think he and Seoni have a much better dynamic than the lesbians do. Seoni and Valeros seem to synch very well together, I would have expected a relationship between them a lot sooner than Merisial and Kyra. They work well together and while Seoni is a planner and Valeros does things by the seat of his pants, he's smart enough to lsten to her when she has an idea. Likewise, Seoni respects Valeros and his courage and knows he would do anything to save her or one of the other party members. I like their relationship, more brother and sister than anything, but I would like to see if there's room for expansion within the party. All the relationship stories being piled on Kyra and Merisial is getting old.

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>>46044393

7/9

>>46044397
Magical Child! Request seconded, by the way!

>>46044393
You sir are awesome.

>>46044410
Oh shit I forgot about those things, they sounded hilarious.

>>46044410
>ruse casting
What's that?

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>>46044419

8/9

Is it possible for a familiar to use Magic Items through UMD? They usually do not have hands, so...

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>>46044443

9/9

>>46044438
Spells with the new "ruse" descriptor. Basically they're spells that look and sound like other spells unless you make a spellcraft check. Such as asshole teleport, where you teleport everyone you touch (but not you) to a location and they think it's where they asked you to go.

>>46044249
He looks really unhappy to be there.

>>46044438
Still reading through the book myself. I'm not the guy posting screenshots but I'm at this part

>Stylized Spell (Metamagic)
You cast a spell in a distinctive manner.Prerequisites
: Bluff 5 ranks, Spellcraft 5 ranks.
Benefit
: A stylized spell has slightly different verbal
and somatic components than normal, and the spell effect
appears noticeably different. The Spellcraft DC to identify
a stylized spell as it is being cast is 10 higher than normal.
The Knowledge (arcana) DC to identify a stylized spell, its
effects, or the materials it creates is 10 higher than normal,
as is the DC to recognize your magical signature with
greater detect magic
†
.
When you apply this feat to a spell, you can attempt to
disguise your stylized spell as another spell of the same
school and subschool with the same descriptors. The other
spell must be either the same spell level as the stylized
spell (before applying the metamagic adjustment) or 1 spell
level higher. If you do so, the stylized spell gains the ruse
descriptor (see page 192) and takes on some superf icial
aspects of the other spell. As usual for a spell with the ruse
descriptor, identif ication attempts that fail by 10 or less
mistakenly identify it as the chosen spell (those that fail by
more can’t identify it at all). A stylized spell uses up a spell
slot 1 level higher than the spell’s actual level.

>>46044484
CLOSE ENOUGH

>>46044462
Are you posting the Vigilante Archetypes?

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As a note, most of the things in this book are definitely focused with more espionage/intrigue campaigns in mind. In that light, a lot of the options are really neat and interesting. don't expect a lot of power like in ACG, UC, or UM

There's a lot of chaff here regardless of the campaign type, though.

>>46044315
Alchemist archetypes
1/2

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Which would be better for becoming a robodrider, aegis or synthesist summoner?

I have posted here before. I am writing a adventure path using Paizo and DSP content. I now need to begin play testing of book 1. Anyone who is interested please use the attached character guide to create a character.

My skype is: Slowcogs (the cartoon one)

If you wish to play please send me a proposed character. If it is obvious you didn't read the character guide from your sheet I am just going to deny you on the spot.

The game will either be on Tuesday or Wednesday evening PST. Exact scheduling will be dependent on group. It will be played by text and live.

Reply to this post with questions.

>>46042574
>>46042504
This, Acid Splash while you're holding an Acid Flask is a Touch AC targeting 1d3+1 damage (average 2.5) ability that goes through DR.
Compare to a crossbow, which hits AC, and averages 3.5 but doesn't go through DR.

Your Acid Flash will be far more efficient with your low to-hit, and doesn't cost you gold to buy, nor space in your hands to carry around.

Also, you should be crafting scrolls to be useful more than twice.

And really only twice? Where's your INT score and your favored school? That should be two more at least.

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I've been waiting for the metamorph for years. I think the game needs a proper shiftchanger class and I'm sure this is the closest we're getting. It could just be that I have a boner for the D2 druid, though.

>>46044525
2/2

>>46044540

I'd have to go with synth summoner myself.

Also, not sure if heresy or just pleasantly inventive.

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>>46044544
(forgot character guide)

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>>46044570
Here is a map of the Steaming Sea and it's surroundings, the kingdoms of Norine.

>>46044130
What are these from?

>>46044525
>>46044561
Thanks man. Alchemist is my favorite class, so, there we go. I really appreciate it.

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Enigma rocks. Enigma rocks more as a dip for a rogue or other sneak attack class.

>>46044359

Mesmerist archetypes
1/4

>>46044525
>>46044561
Holy shit these are great. Although the Sapper seems like a weird mix of the Saboteur and Trap Breaker archetypes.

>>46044544
I'm pretty sure you said so last thread but my brain is fried right now. When were you going to run games?

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>>46044622

2/4

>>46044525
>>46044561
Holy shit, Metamorph is pretty much exactly the thing I want from Alchemist.

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>>46044649

3/4

>>46044341
Int > Cha > Dex/Con (enough to keep you alive) > Wis > Str (dump into the ground)

>>46044561
>limited self-polymorphing X/day instead of both bombs and alchemy

That seems kind of underwhelming.

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>>46044682

4/4

>>46044693
Oh shit, it does give up bombs and extracts entirely. That makes it less absolutely perfect, but it's still super cool.

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Investigator archetypes are more fitting for NPCs, imo. They are great sidekicks and allies.

>>46044359

Investigator archetypes
1/4

>>46044693
You wouldn't want him outshining the Swashbuckler and Fighter in the party, anon. That would be unbalanced.

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>>46044723

2/4

>>46044693
Are you surprised, Paizo hates alchemists almost as much as they hate martials.

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>>46044747

3/4

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Hey /pfg/ I need some help with making my party's wizard not useless. I'm running a game for a 3 person party; druid, cleric, and wizard. The problem they're running into is that with each of them taking a watch shift while they sleep, including the druid's animal companion, the wizard can only get six hours of sleep.
The rules as we understand them say that a wizard needs 8 hours of rest plus 1 hour of preparation to use their spells.
Outside of GM hand waving is there a good way for me to deal with this so the wizard player doesn't feel completely worthless?

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>>46044766

4/4

>>46044768
Wand of Keep Watch.

>>46044768
You can keep watch and still be at rest, you just can't do anything strenuous. Also 3.5 has a sleeping bag which allows casters to only need 2 hours of sleep for their spells (Still limited to one set of spells per day)

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Druid section didn't catch my attention. Then again, that's druids in general.

>>46044406

Druid archetypes
1/2

Any chance we could see the druid archetype?

>>46044768
If memory serves there is a spell for that? Something he could cast to cover his watch while he sleeps and prep?

>>46044768
>You can keep watch and still be at rest, you just can't do anything strenuous.

Yes, this is it. Just have the wizard take first watch.

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>>46044800

2/2

>>46044800
Does the druid get prepared caster spellcasting progression on a spontaneous chassis? Neat!

>>46044784
>>46044793
>>46044803
>>46044810
This is all good to know, thanks for the ideas.

>>46044821
>nigger druid
no

>>46044846
Stop being a jerk.

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>>46044781
>Majordomo

There is now an archetype for adventuring maids.

Though, lol, sharing teamwork feats X/day being worth giving up alchemy. Yeah, sure.

>>46044832

They don't get spontaneous casting. In fact, they LOSE the little bit of it they already had.

Honestly, it seems rather junk. You lose BAB, weaken transforming (Which is further hurt by the lost BAB), and the spells you get turn up 1 level higher than the base class.

>>46044800
Can we get the vigilante archetypes?

>>46042423
So, my DM is going to run The Dragon's Demand. He has not told us much and requests we don't read the material. He has, however, told us that we can plan our characters with defeating a green dragon in mind.

Do you guys have any suggestions on spells I should aim for, classes I should avoid, et cetera? I'm not terribly well versed with PF.

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>>46044877
A lot of the archetypes here give cool abilities... but they trade in those abilities for shit like ALL OF A CLASS'S SPELLCASTING.

What the fuck?

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Last thing I'm posting is the vigilante archetypes. You lucky fucks better enjoy because there's a lot here.

>>46044406
>>46044423
>>46044516

Brute is shit.

1/10

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>>46044881
Why...

>>46044687
Thanks pal. I'd been hearing a lot about putting more priority on con but I don't see the point as long as I'm not planning on getting hit in the first place.

>>46044905
>1/10
Holy shit that's a lot

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>>46044905

Real missed opportunity. Could have been real fun or even just an exciting villain.

Guess not.

2/10

>>46044821
>>46044800
The Skinshaper druid gets basically the same turn-into-humanoids power as the Metamorph Alchemist, but it still has full casting and an animal companion.

balance.png.gif

So I originally assumed that this whole anti-SJW complaining about misandry directed at Paizo was a little overblown, and it probably still is.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/religion-traits/wronged

But damn, when they go to lengths to obfuscate the player's gender when taking a trait, and then just say it assumes you were bullied by men because of your gender?

Wow, the perfect anti-oppression trait, +5 to empowerment.

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>>46044926

I think it is a travesty that the warlock, and to a lesser degree, the zealot are now archetypes. They pulled out the specializations, gutted them, and made archetypes for them. They could have found a way to make it work for the four specs. In my home game I'm allowing cabalists and warlocks to share talents.

3/10

Can we get the Zeitgeist Binder? I wanna see how well it compares to the Empath.

>>46044945
Oh no, traits based on a society that may or may not be oppressive in their setting, who would have fucking guessed. Bet if there are any anti-slaver traits those are also pushing their SJW ideals into your face.

>>46044945
Just a +2 actually. Give it time, they'll give a Qadiran regional trait to go alongside that.

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>>46044961

Gunmaster, meh.

Magical transformation incoming!

4/10

>>46044974
I mean that's a religion trait, not a regional trait.

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>>46044983

Moon Prism Power!

5/10

>>46044897
The Achilles' heel of dragons in PF is their low Dex scores and really low touch ACs.

A spellcaster can take major advantage of that with ray spells, especially ones that do Dex damage, like Ray of Enfeeblement and Wracking Ray.

All the really good ones are short range, though, so you'll want a party that can coordinate fighting ability and terrain control (spells like web, etc that slow enemies).

If you have access to 3pp, check out the Warder class from Path of War for a defensive martial who can actually do a good bodyguard job (the Paizo ones can't because they have no ability to control the terrain).

Also, DO NOT try to focus on any healing in combat, unless it's a specific build that can fire it off free every round, like the Oradin.

>>46044983
>magical child doesn't alter starting age
>still has to wear light armor

Why.

>>46045014
Magical Child is cute! CUTE!
C U T E
U
T
E

>>46045014
>5 round transformation sequence unless you blow a talent on it

O-Okay.

>>46045014
THAT ART IS FUCKING ADORABLE
QANON IS PLEASED OUT THE ASS
MORE PLEASE
FEELS SO WEIRD TO BE ON THIS END OF SHIT

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>>46045014

Zorro is here with Tornado!

People thought that the psychometrist would be gadget focused psy-Batman! They were wrong!

6/10

>>46045014
>Those stockings
HOMU?

>>46045014
>trades in class specialization LITERALLY FOR JUST A FAMILIAR

Why is this allowed?

>>46045041
Gotta cut down on the animation budget for each episode with that stock footage.

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>>46045014
Is that Homura?

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>>46045044

I think I'm just bitter as fuck that warlock got gutted instead of buffed or even just left alone.

7/10

>>46044912
Yeah, some orders get pulled more into melee range, but petrified mind is primarily a medium distance caster so you don't have to worry very much about Con.

>>46042519
>Seoni masturbating and/or abusing Mirror Image
I didn't know I wanted this till now.

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>>46045014
>homu's stockings
Nice

>>46044945
It's from Inner Sea Gods. Originally it had Golarion specific stuff in it, requiring you to be a follower of the hag mother god. Her whole thing is using various societal ills against women to lure them to evil.

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>>46045087

Wildsoul is a cool idea (Spider-Man!) but poor execution. It's something I've come to expect with archetypes.

8/10

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>>46045014
That's literally native american Homura.

>>46045056

And summoner spellcasting. Which means eventually Summon Monster IX.

>>46044983
>>46045014

I'm entertained by the fact that there is zero alignment restriction on it. Most of the Evil Improved Familiars are much better options than the Good ones.

>>46044905
>Low will save
>Make a 20+1/2 level will save or attack your friends!
>Literally after every fight
Good job paizo.

>>46045056
>trades in only 5 talents for 6-level casting
That's why

>>46045014
Ya know, I was rather excited when I heard about the magical girl archetype. It's good to know Paizo still knows how to crush my dreams.

>>46044983
>>46045014
Why do magical children lose Perception as a class skill?

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>>46045014
If only Improved Familiar would let you get a mount-sized familiar.

Then you could make He-Man with this archetype.

Pic semi related.

>>46045014
>>46045049
>>46045070
>>46045103
She is a stylized Homu
>black hair
>purple collar
>white shirt
>stockings

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>>46045108

It fell short and then some. *sigh*

9/10

>>46045133
*Unchained Summoner casting

Unchained Summoner casting sucks dick.

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>>46045142

Zealot. Blah. Whatever.

10/10

>>46045014
>Magical Girl Archetype is shit
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

GARETH SHOULD BE BULLIED FOR THIS!

>>46045087
>>46045108
Warlock is almost interesting, given that it's got magus spellcasting. Do any of the magus spells actually work particularly well with mystic bolts, though?

>>46045014
So... they can still cast spells even while non-transformed?

>>46045180
It preps like a magus, but uses the sorcerer/wizard list.

>>46044945
To be fair, that's a trait for followers of Gyronna, goddess of women victimized by misogyny (which also doesn't exist in Golarion according to Paizo).

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>>46045014
>Summoner spell list
>not Witch

What the fuck Paizo? Mahou Shoujos are literally "good witches"

I'm confused why the Magical Girl gets Summoner spellcasting.

Wouldn't something like Magus make more sense? I can't think of too many magical girls who don't like the lasers.

>>46045213
Not just summoner spellcasting, but shitty ass Unchained summoner spellcasting.

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Actually, one more thing before I go. I'm upset at something that was so simple to do, but ended being fucked quite royally.

Idea: Non LG Paladin.

Great!

Execution: WTF
It's not worth giving that shit up for a different alignment. I'm mad.

>>46044627
Evenings, depends on the team.

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Test!

>>46045227

How different are the two?

So Mystic bolts were nerfed
Half of the Warlock was put into the Cabalist

>>46045211
>>46045213
That plus the familiar DR makes me think they're designed to buff their familiars for combat. Which seems like a pretty bad idea.

Warlock seems neat though. Limited arcane casting, mystic bolts, vigilante talents (stalker might be neat, considering having free hands is a pretty good way to appear nonthreatening for hidden strike) all together might be worth taking.

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>>46045238

The worst part is that the antipaladin gets pretty much the same thing 6 pages earlier and does it leagues better than the gray paladin.

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT

>>46045245
Ick, those lines, Lemme see if I can fix that.

>>46045238
>give up a shitload of stuff for... smite nonevil (at a higher cost) and nondetection

Wat?

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>>46045014
>>46045245
RIP in Peace Mahou Shoujo

Just like the Kineticist, you were a good idea ruined by Paizo's retardation.

>>46045238
Was there any non Vigilante options for Dual Identity?

>>46045281
Why not just change it to witch casting? It that simple.

>>46045292

No.

No feats.

No archetypes.

No optional GM rules.

Nothing.

>>46045259
Wait. What's that hunter archetype there? Would you mind sharing the rest of it?

>>46045307

Well, witch is a 9th level caster.

I'd go with Magus myself. Give them some actual blasting.

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>>46045042
Oh great QANON, I have a request. The trove we have in the pastebin hasn't been updated in months. Is there any chance you can put together some kind of update for it from the shareable content on the QA trove? I offer this QT Sylphu as tribute.

What's your favorite setting, /tg/?

>>46045281

Could have been worse-they could have given her Burn. But hey, even if the Magical Girl turned out underwhelming, that smile deserves all the Iron Tortoise-ZS-tier protecting we can muster.

>>46045332
Just do what Cabalist did if it bugs you that much.

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>>46045259
Is... is the Cardinal just a completely shittier version of the 3.5 cloistered cleric?

What the fuck, Paizo?

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>>46045321
Only cause I love you.

>>46045388
I mean, the cloistered cleric was pretty much just a better version of a cleric.

>>46045440
It's not that good in Pathfinder because Divine Power doesn't give full BAB.

>>46045384

The issue with that is really that most 6th level casters don't just use level for level what a 9th level guy uses. In part because they get each level of spells at a different time than a full caster. It's why the Bloodrager has so many utterly useless spells, as you can't expect fireball to be impressive when it turns up at 16th level.

Classes with a 6th level casting kinda need their own spell list designed for them or to steal from another 6th level.

>>46045259
>Tyrant isn't bad
Woo!

>>46045384

Does the Witch give anything that's really magical girl? I don't recall magical girls being too heavy on the Enchantment spells, which is a real strength of the Witch list. Evocation is also a real weak point for Witches, while it's a Magical Girl strength.

>>46045485
Honestly, even Paizo would have been hard pressed to fuck up "Find and Replace: Chaotic Evil for Lawful Evil"

>>46045424
>Capstone
>Climb speed

I uh um oh...

>>46045334
YOUR OFFERING PLEASES QANON

SHE WILL SEE WHAT SHE CAN DO

SHE CAN PROBABLY SHIT SOMETHING TOGETHER OVERNIGHT OR SOMETHING, BUT KEEPING IT PROPERLY MAINTAINED BEYOND AN UPDATE ONCE A BLUE MOON PROBABLY ISN'T IN THE CARDS, HER TIME IS PRECIOUS AS ALL DAMN HELL AND CRAMMED TIGHTER THAN SIX DUDES TO A TWIN BED

>>46045354
Eberron.

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What makes the meguca archetype so shit?

It gets 6th level casting. That makes it tier 3 right?

>>46045506

I dunno, I have faith in them.

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>>46045281
Guys! GUYS!

What if we begged DSP to make a good mahou shoujo archetype?

It can be even be CHA-based

>>46045523

It gets a list of spells mostly designed to buff a bit combat monster pet.

Spoilers: The familiar they get is not able to be a big combat monster pet.

>>46045484
Look again.

Cabalist casts like a Magus (Prepared 6th level caster) but just uses the witch spell list from 6 down. The rate they get spells IS that of a 6th level casting class.

Plus, are you even really going to be doing much blasting as a 6th level caster unless you're pulling magus-like shenanigans? It's not the best even for fullcasters.

>>46045523
B U L G E

U

L

G

E

>>46045532

You poor soul.

>>46045537

Honestly, if they made a Martial Initiator with Elemental Flux and the innate ability to throw bolts of energy would make a pretty good magical girl.

>>46045537
Why do I want to create a mahou shoujo god and an archetype for holy classes?

>>46045424
I love you too, Screenshot anon.

the hunter archetypes aren't anything to write home about, but it's still kinda cool.

>>46045550
They're cute, CUTE!

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>>46045537

>>46045558
>Innate ability to throw bolts of energy
>The fuck is this WARLOCK archetype for vigilantes? Ahh, fuck it.

>>46045561

Well, Chosen One Paladin is already a thing.

>>46045577

Last I checked Warlock was neither

A) Martial Initiator
B) Able to use those bolts on strikes.

>>46045537
>Madoka
Vanilla Witch and maybe a dip in Paladin

>Sakura
Some kind of Harrow-inspired spellcaster

>Nanoha
Magus

Now help me stat the other mahou shoujos

>>46045594
I don't see any reason why a Warlock can't use mystic bolts for strikes.

>>46045544
Yes it can. I give you Mauler the Familiar Archetype.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/wizard/familiar/familiar-archetypes/mauler-familiar-archetype

>>46045597
>Vanilla Witch and maybe a dip in Paladin
Chosen Paladin archetype

>>46045517
Many thanks, oh kindly QANON. You are truly a fair and just goddess.

>>46045546

>Cabalist casts like a Magus (Prepared 6th level caster) but just uses the witch spell list from 6 down.

That was my point. That Cabalist isn't very well done as it's just taking a 9th level caster and paring it down. Rather than looking at say, the Bard. Which actually gets quite a few spells outside the exact spell level another class would.

>>46045558
I like this.

>>46045600
Obviously DSP should make an archetype that applies to the Warlock archetype to turn it into a proper meguca.

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>>46045517
Tell me more of these boys and their twin bed.

>>46045636
>Archetypes on Archetypes
Wat

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>>46045597
PsyArm

>>46045605
They've managed to come to a consensus on which familiar is the best Mauler (both with and without Improved familiars) right?

Pretty sure it was a fox, last time I checked.

>>46045636
>archetypes for archetypes

T-this is a thing?

>>46045605

Mauler can't be combined with Magical Girl as eventually the pet becomes Improved Familiar. Mauler doesn't work with Improved Familiar.

From Improved Familiar:

>Improved familiars do not gain the ability to speak with other creatures of their kind

Which is a feature replaced by Mauler. You can't trade away something with an archetype you already don't have.

>>46045650
NOPANTSU
O
P
A
N
T
S
U

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>>46045597
All the symphogays are Skalds

>>46045645
>>46045681
Would be just simpler to make a new archetype that takes parts of Warlock and Magical Child?

>>46045597

Nanoha blasts a lot more than she whacks with her Staff. Magus seems out of place.

So is there an aegis archetype that's like Aberrant except you upgrade yourself with robot parts?

>>46045712
Some are bards. Bikki, at least, is probably more of a full-on Invulnerable Rager with full ranks in Profession (Song).

>>46045741
Why not a refluffed PsyArm?

>>46045714
But I don't want to be a Blaster mahou shoujo. I want to spread friendship! (i.e. yuri lewds)

>>46045756
PsyArm's not the be all and end all of shit, anon.

>>46045691

But Improved Familiar is just a feat, not an archetype. It shouldn't affect features or the ability to alter them.

>>46044540
Synthesist summoner, tauric eidolon from cohorts & companions.

>>46045787
Do you actually NEED to accept the Improved Familiar part? Don't most class features have that "A Magical Child may..." wording for most stuff, implying that you can decide
>NOPE, FUCK THAT NONSENSE!

>>46045778
But wizards are.

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>>46045741
Nanoha is a sorc focused on evocation much like Megumin

>>46045787

The issue is that it does. It removes a feature from the Familiar that Mauler needs.

>>46045816

Sadly the initial change is non-optional. The 5th and 7th level changes ARE optional but by that point it's already an Improved Familiar and you have an archetype feature (Mauler) trying to replace something that an Archetype Feature from Magical Child already made you lose.

>>46044983
>>46045014
>normal identity is Neutral Evil
>Vigilante identity is Lawful Good
>both identities hate each other, but the Evil one was there first
>the Familiar is there as a control device to ensure that the Rehabilitation Program succeeds
>nobody ever said that the folks behind the program were Good

Is this halal?

>>46045860
PAIZOS GONNA PAIZO

Guess it'll still be Aegis 3/Knight-Chandler Mystic X for best mahou shoujou. Maybe a couple levels of Soulknife (Living Legend) with the Archmage for sweet blasting.

>>46045597
How would you stat Homu?
Riven Hourglass Gunsmoke Mystic with all wealth spent on bags of holding?

>>46044249
Is there an unchained monk archetype in this book or am I still left to wait?

>>46045936
Yes.

>>46045961
Probably not. But
>playing a Monk at all, even unchained
You've made a poor choice, friend.

>>46045773
I forgot, can vigilantes use their social talents while masked? I'm guessing a few of those could help you get people to your side the power of friendship

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>>46045597
Illya is probably a Living Legend soulknife

>>46045998
It says 'most social talents require you to be in social' So it looks like it's per-talent.

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>>46045597
Stat her, /pfg/

>>46046078
Nah.

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>>46044926
>>46044961
>Cabalist
>mfw

>>46046078
10/10 ASS

So question time.

What does a "proper" Magical Child do?

What I think is the key points of it
>Their well known magical weapon
>The light show when transforming
>Somewhat balanced skill set between melee and blasting
>Social butterfly

What else?

>>46046078
Veiled Moon and Piercing Thunder Stalker

>>46042661
He's a Dandy guy, in Golarion

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>>46045961

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>>46046117
>>46046078

Rules question:

So ability penalties can't bring a creature below 1 in the affected ability score. Ability damage, on the other hand, can.

If you reduce a creature's ability score with an ability penalty, then subsequently further reduce it with ability damage, can it go below 1?

Or does the ability damage affect their "base" score, and the ability penalty applies on top of that, and so the creature's ability only drops below 1 when the ability damage exceeds the original ability score, regardless of the ability penalty?

>>46046142
gay lewds with other mahou shoujos. I'm serious - give me one mahou shoujo anime wherein there isn't a yuri couple.

>>46045860

But how would that work if, say, a wizard started with a mauler, then got the Improved Familiar feat? Was there a rule or errata specifically forbidding this combination that I never saw? If not, I really don't see why it would be so impossible-especially since the version the Child gets isn't even the feat itself, it's just an alternate form for the familiar similar to the Child's own Vigilante Identity.

By all means, give me a link or something, because I am REALLY having a hard time understanding.

>>46046117

-4 STR
+4 ASS

>>46046187
You've got it.

If you're penalized to one, damage can't reduce it further until it would without the penalty.

>>46046201
Mauler is a familiar archetype. It applies to the familiar itself. When you get Improved Familiar, you're replacing your old familiar with the new one, and the new one can't take Mauler.

>>46046200
It's a lot of implied lewdness but only H-animes and Fate gets far with it

>>46046201

>But how would that work if, say, a wizard started with a mauler, then got the Improved Familiar feat?

Then it would stop being a Mauler or the feat would do nothing. As they both replace the same thing.

>>46046201

>Was there a rule or errata specifically forbidding this combination that I never saw?

The rule preventing Archetypes from trading away things that are already affected by something else.

>>46046175
Well, thanks, now I've got the only page I wanted.

>>46046230
Two of the outer-planet chicks from Sailor Moon were lesbians.
In the American dub, they changed them to cousins

>>46046363
Good point, moral bonuses while your waifu is around?

>>46044680
>Great
Are you baiting, or what
Because that's legitimately fucking awful

>>46046201
>>46046229
>>46046259

That's annoying. With that definition, only Emissary, Sage, and School Familiars would ever qualify as Improved Familiars. All because of one stupid little line on a feat, of all things-a feat the Magical Child doesn't even technically get.

Oh well. So much for that weak hope.

Divine Fighting Technique (Greatsword Battler)
>Initial Benefit(s): If you have the Vital Strike feat, you can apply its effect to an attack you make with a greatsword at the end of a charge

Martial Charge
Benefit(s): You may initiate a strike instead of making an attack at the end of a charge

This seems to suggest you can make a vital strike'd maneuver as long as it take place at the end of a charge.

>>46046507
Can't really see why not.

>>46046489
Honestly, what we need is a Vigilante VMC.

Then you can just be a Chosen One Paladin and VMC to get the second identity stuff.

Watch as we get a Vig VMC and it somehow doesn't include it.

....

Hey, did you consider reading Improved Familiar, incidentally?

>When choosing a familiar, the creatures listed here are also available to you.

ALSO.

You can get Improved Familiar and keep your old one if you want.

>>46044600
Ultimate Intrigue most likely