Eclipse Phase General - Operators Operating Operationally edition

Which faction is it best to be a professional prostitute with?

Which faction is it worst to be a professional prostitute with?

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>>46034834

Has anybody read the fiction anthology, at least?

>>46034897
AnComs would be fundamentally opposed to pimps
AnCaps allow contractually obligated sex slavery

>>46019978
>It's Happening
>You Could Have Stopped It
>I Tried To Warn You
>You Only Had To Listen
>You Can't Change The Channel Now
>Why Did You Believe Them
>It Hasn't Even Begun
>It's Over

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>>46034897

Define professional.

Because actually I think just sex is probably roughest in the New Economy, because especially with all the VR and drugs and commie free love shit just surviving off your sex appeal is probably the hardest, people probably expect you to do something, y'know, useful with your time.

Otherwise, either somewhere like Venus where there's actually somebody looking out for low-level workers and indentures, or where the Socialites are strongest, and you can just bask in fame for your "art".

>>46030875
>>46030613
I wanna make them do odd jobs for an AI, which aren't connected at first sight, but actually AI is playing them like a fiddle and plotting a genius keikaku.

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>>46035141

AIs with genius plans tend to get shot.

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>>46034897
Best is probably the Republic. The stronger the pressure against premarital sex, the better your wages will be (and this goes double if it's actually illegal). Like >>46035016 said, sexual liberalism can drop the bottom right out of the market (no pun intended)

I'll put up the Consortium for worst place, since you've got to compete with millions of indentures who have no useful skills besides whoring. Sure you're a professional and offer a way better user experience, but what does quality count for when quantity is so cheap it's practically free?

>>46035984

I think the question in the Republic is, is prostitution legal and how bad is the penalty for it? If you have to go to space volcano prison or end up in the penal regiment, the risk/reward formula might not be worth it.

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>>46034834

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>>46036118
>arrested for prostitution
>sentenced to confinement with hundreds of tough, desperate, lonely men/women

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>>46036601

So, how popular are Women in Jovian Prison movies in the rest of the system?

>>46036747
>Men of Maui Patera IV: All Dick Diet.
>William Burris was a hotshot hacker who thought he had it all figured out. Little did he know he was just one state secrets conviction away from being force fed a daily diet of sausage from all sides in the Republic's finest penal institution

How have you guys made use of Uplifts in your games? Are you fairly liberal with what animals can be uplifted or do you stick with the ones the books says have been and how have you used them as npcs and seen them used as PCs?

I ask having recently come across a podcast where a group played EP and one of the characters was a kangaroo uplift. Aside from RNjesus giving him the shaft on occasions, he's managed to go from being a suspected assassin terrorist suspect to being the right hand of a Neo Gorilla uplift Media mogul who was infected with the Watts-Mcleod virus via a piece of titan tech after having been hired by soma-tech to bag him and bring him back to them.

>>46037363
Eh, I thought it was inferior to Carnal Caprine Carnival Capers XI: The Carnival Does Olympus. The skydive orgy has to be seen to be believed.

>>46037542
The only one I include that wasn't in the books is Neo Mammoths, which makes sense if you allow Neo Neanderthals, considering the books mention that before the Fall there were Neo Elephants. Humanity has unearthed far more complete remains of mammoths than neanderthals, so if the latter is possible the former is practically a sure thing.

>>46037542
We stick to the canon list and use them sparingly. In our games, Neo-gorillas have a noticeable tendency to be hyper alpha dickheads that may or may not have G rep. Also, for various reasons, neo-homs are generally Francophones

>>46037623

You know what you just did? You just opened a whole new world for me.

I don't know why I didn't think of having uplifted elephants/mammoths. I mean, you have fucking uplifted Blue Whales afterall I could totally see a herd of Ruster Mammoths roaming across Mars doing maintenance on various Terraforming/farming outposts.

>>46037703
Neo-elephants are sort-of canon. They existed, but they all died in the Fall as far as anyone knows, and there's no extant neo-elephant morph.

>What is your Firewall Server called, /epg/?

Oxidizer. Big guns and big brains, one part superweapon development one part force recon/field research.

>>46037774
>>What is your Firewall Server called, /epg/?
"Nuclear, Biological, Chemical, Nanotech, Let Me Count The Ways"

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>>46037703

I think the Elephants had/would have the same problem as whales, that their original bodies would be way too hard to transport for the Fall, and that there are only like, a dozen whales uplifts left outside of the Solarian/Surya community?

However, since there is a dinopark Exoplanet, revived mammoths should totally be a thing, and converting them to an uplift strain could be an interesting experiment by say, TerraGenesis or a Martian-based corp at making a new strain of "worker" or explorer for some of these harsh environs.

Been awhile since I saw a little Moprh jam, anybody want to take a crack at a Neo-Mammoth? I think the trunk should count like prehensile tail.

>>46037882

Maybe they can be like Pod bodies? Considering how big they are I can see them having self-contained life support systems to help them go just about anywhere

>>46035016
You'd think that actual, personal, prostitution would be something of a hard-sell in an environment where VR is common. But the source books talk about it constantly.

>>46037989
Even if you have your muse as a VR sexdoll, real pussy is just better, I guess.

>>46037989
>>46038042

Not to mention you could be a professional socialite and Mesh personality who also takes clients as part of their thing.

If the Khardisians can make money by whoring out their gold digging daughters to celebrities and occasionally have a sex tape "stolen" here and there I don't see why it wouldn't work in the transhuman future.

>>46037989

VR is common, but it's not always convenient. Because of like, the high fidelity requirements and all that it's not like you can play VR games or whatever on the equivalent of your phone. Maybe if you don't mind being the equivalent of a "black and white" from Snowcrash, but you're supposed to need a pretty solid connection to the server, preferably with fiberoptic lines, either to an access jack or a special headset like in SAO.

1 Day subscription cost for Simulspace access is [Low], [Moderate] for monthly. Owning your own private servers is presumably more costly. And like >>46038042 said, there's a certain prestige element to "real" things over virtual or artificial replicas. RW pod pussy is probably considered more "quality" than most VR/XP porn, and actually banging some high class morphs is like, luxury.

>>46038042
>>46038211
Plus, you don't have to worry about a rep hit for being "That guy who fucks his muse twice daily but drops spaghetti whenever he gets within a hundred yards of a woman."

>>46037542
>Uplifts in your games?
yes
>do you stick with the ones the books says have been
Close. Have an elephant upload that survived the Fall and a few more elephants being grown in exowombs. A few more cetaceans. Have Neanderthals but don't call them uplifts (still have many of the same rights issues).
>kangaroo uplift
Fucking really? The requirement for marsupials to be able to suckle while pea-sized requires them to lock-in skull structures really early. They have a terrible time increasing endocranial volume. As a result, they're really fucking dumb. Not uplift candidates at all. Cats would be better uplift candidates. Fuck, elephant fish would probably be better uplift candidates.

>>46037774
>one part superweapon development one part force recon/field research
?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconnaissance_by_fire

>>46037882
Solutions:
Elephants on Mars
Miniature synth elephants (man-sized)

>>46038281
If you don't want people to think you're weird, you shouldn't share that kind of information with them.

>>46038613
>you shouldn't share that kind of information with them.
You don't have a choice. Privacy is dead, everyone lives in a glass house in EP

>>46038657
Not if you cover the glass in tinfoil.

>>46038657
First off that isn't true at all.
Second, even in high-sousveillance habs, personal spaces are usually fairly secure.
Third, even failing that, anything you can encrypt properly is private on the mesh.

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>>46038746
>>46038715
>>46038657
2030 A.D.
>Cellphone alarm clock rings, vocal synthesizer recites latest fb statuses from my friends
>Cellphone registers my waking up
>"Anon is now awake. 129 people like this"
>Get up
>Fridge suggests me to have some milk and cereals
>Open fridge
>Forgot to shop for that shit
>Amazon instantly drone-delivers milk and Kellogg's to my door
>Have breakfast, brush teeth, wash
>Hit the streets at 9 o'clock
>Go to used bookstore
>See book I've been looking for for a while
>Browse it
>Book shuts itself
>"If you wish to keep reading please buy this book and register it to your Goodreads account, Anon."
>Bookstore clerk hears the message and thinks I'm trying to scan the book with my Google glass
>Blush
>Pay for book
>Rush home
>Television sets reminds me I have to go sell telephone contracts in 2 hours 37 minutes
>Open book
>"Anon is now reading The Vagina Ass of Lucifer McNiggerfaggot."
>Employer sees it
>Fired

>>46039198
>Hit the streets at 9 o'clock


>Using non-metric time in 21XX

>>46039272
He quite clearly said it was 2030. You forget how to read English with all those text-to-speech mesh functions?

>>46039308
>reading
>in the year 10 AF

How do you like those basilisk hacks, anon?

>>46039308
>text-to-speech

>not having muse bypass Wernicke's area for you in 20XX

>>46039367
>tfw only read things I've written myself
It's great to be a narcissist.

>>46039434
>everything posted on this page was written by me
Even better to be a solipsist

>>46039434
>>46039453

>Everyone in the thread is just a fork of you.

>>46039367
Traditional ink-on-paper is going to be inherently more secure from both alteration and espionage, so I can see it having very useful applications.

>>46039469
Dear god I hope not. If kangarooanon is a fork of me I'll have to hunt it down.

>>46039469
We are clearly the loneliest, most self loathing sentinel in Firewall.

>>46039484
>ink-on-paper is more secure and practical than OTP-encrypted holographic optical storage in an opaque box

>>46036118
I imagine Jovians are actually fairly socially liberal compared to modern day standards. They're just conservative prudes when compared to the sex/drugs/punkrock scum and "look how progressive we are please ship in more culturally enriching refugees" Titanians. Societal mores will have shifted a lot in 100 years.

>>46039525
Well really, anything that's absolutely impossible to access without being physically present and able to see and manipulate the item is pretty advantageous if you're worried about security. And yes, you can use OTPs with handwritten notes just as easily as with anything else.

>>46039528

True, but they're very reactionarily conservative, and they have a strong religious base in their populace, which is used as a kind of appeasement mechanism. Would their population be okay with the idea of sex for money, even if their government probably doesn't care to extensively. That's probably a question for someone who understands Latin America and Catholicism better than me.

>>46039525

While true, it doesn't change the fact that runners are still a thing so while you can go ahead and have your secret documents transmitted over the mesh where some super AGI will easly decrypt them I'll have my dude run it to the intended target because only the most ardent data theifs will try to come out of their closets and get the goods.

>>46035984
>Best is probably the Republic
I think it's charming that you see regression as positive in literally any circumstance. "wheres it best to be a whore?" wherever they'll resent you the most for it, and give no legal protections, apparently. this is not to say jove is the worst, but seriously, it's like dealing with prefall texans

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>>46034834

>>46039575
>just as easily
Considerably less easily, actually

>>46039626
Just run the OTPs ahead of time. Then you can securely transmit your data over the mesh, no problem.

>>46039636
>no legal protections
Where in the books does it say this?

>>46039621
Saint Augustine gave prostitution his tacit approval, claiming that "the removal of the institution would bring lust into all aspects of the world." I have no idea what the Church's doctrine will say about it hundreds of years in the future.

>>46037774
Steel Legion... So so so many tin can beta forks.

>>46039974
What book? I'm shiltron 200985435344521113, I just have to criticize the republic on the net for a decade and then I get a pod from the bossman

>>46040041
Did you read the contract? Pretty sure that was a decade in Extropian years ;^)

>>46040071
I know things will work out because I got a serial number with two sets of dubs and one set of trips, and luck like that doesn't just happen to anyone

>>46039974
>Saint Augustine gave prostitution his tacit approval
That was before the church needed to present itself as presenting different morality from secular states in order to retain [s]tithe generators[/s] congregants.

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new question.
Which faction has the best prostitutes, which has the best drugs, which has the best porno, which has the best morph crafting, and who has the best futbol team?

>>46040332
Ultimates. To all of them. You haven't lived until you've paid for an Ultimate hooker. My thighs were sore for weeks afterward, never mind the tongue sprain or cracked jaw.

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>>46040332
TITANs

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>>46040428
I love the idea of a TITAN that has become obsessed with mimicking mundane criminal activity and vice as its way of destroying humans, to the point that it actually is what moral panics always predicted, but only because it thinks thats fucking great. Essentially, it has a species wide degradation fetish, and it's getting busy

>>46040371
This, except for drugs.

>>46040332
the jovians have the best soccer team and this infuriates everyone else to no end

>>46040371
Ultimates may have the best morph crafting if you want a vanilla human upgrade, but for interesting morphs you're better off looking elsewhere.

>>46040738
If you want a specialist morph, something else will beat a remade every time. Remades are just the best all-rounders.

>>46041613
Surely they could come up with something useful for the counterweight to do

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>>46041638

The counterweights are dildos, so it doubles as a convenient dildo-holding device.

>>46041716
>5mm ammunition
>cartridge barely even necked down

Might as well throw pebbles

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>>46041775

>necked down
>caseless

I don't even know if that's the right word

>>46040845
>Sex with remades

No thanks Bayonetta is not my thing

>>46042265

Except Remades have no body hair

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>>46042392
Neither does Bayonetta, that's a demon that lives on her body

>>46039575
A camera accidentally seeing your piece of paper is a security hole. That's not an issue with a CD-ROM.

>>46042050
Doesn't have to be. You know exactly what he means.

>>46043919

I mean, I know what his intent was, sure, I don't even know if that applies to caseless ammunition.

>>46044009
The principle certainly does. More propellant => faster bullet. Can't have as much propellant if diameter of propellant isn't much bigger than that of bullet.

>>46043293
>Optics 5" from butt of stock
>Barrel axis way below stock axis
>Optical axis way above barrel axis
>Pistol-equivalent barrel length
>Preposterously wide trigger
>calling magazine a clip
>Accidentally hit yourself in the dick with the magazine if you aim down, which the recoil causes
>NES-grade ergonomics
>4.73 mm ammunition
>Thinking appreciable energy can be recovered from recoil
>White chunky parts for no reason
>Ejection where?
>Safety/fire select?
>No charging handle
>No accessory rails

This is an abortion.

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>>46044325

Which is why I post. Like many space guns pictures, it's just bullshit because they thought it looks cool.

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>>46044383

Can anyone share pictures of actual realistic yet still sci-fi-ish guns? There were something in the news recently about a computerized-rifle-wielding-newbie beating a professional sniper with two to one hit ratio. Are there any pics of that gun?

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>>46044603

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>>46044624

>>46044383
>thing obstructing aperture
Alright. That one needs an explanation. Not even deviantart is that dumb.

>>46044794

Giant lens cap?

>>46044794
Some kind of safety thing that actually have to be removed before combat?

>>46044467
>>46044589
>>46044624
These actually aren't too bad. I have a few quibbles, but they're mostly about the optics and the load-bearing barrel.

>>46034916
It's really good.

The stories are great inspiration for games, characters and for how the setting works.

>>46044878

Anybody have it to share?

>>46044383
A laser's beam optics can double as sighting optics, just like an SLR camera.

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>>46045417

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>>46044794
It's got a little slit in the middle. Some kind of beam focuser? Aaron Beck seems to do at least a little homework before he does gun designs, and generally they come out being on the more realistic end of sci-fi stuff.

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>>46045446

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>>46045593

On the topic of guns. What does the particle bolter look like/sound like when fired?

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>>46045608

>>46045634

I personally imagine it as kind of the sound the Dominators from Psycho Pass make, but I don't actually know if energy weapons make a lot of noise IRL.

>>46045476
Not sure whether you're talking about the muzzle brake or the obvious tube structure.

The tube is the barrel and chamber. You can clearly see that there is no room for moving parts inside the gun. Also the diameter of the chamber is much larger than the diameter of anything that could fit in that magazine, though the length is probably about right. Meanwhile the barrel has huge chunks of material above and below it for no reason.

>>46045634
I'll assume it's a charged particle beam.

It will sound like mini thunder. Appearance would be much like lightning, but straight.

This is assuming that the particle beam works usefully as a weapon in air.

>>46045810

The Particle Beam works in either vacuum or in atmosphere, and it's more expensive if you want a version which can be configured to do both (not at the same time).

I think it's also supposed to be invisible unless you use Enhanced Vision.

>>46045886
>The Particle Beam works in either vacuum or in atmosphere, and it's more expensive if you want a version which can be configured to do both (not at the same time).
They can be switched between the two modes with a Complex Action. There's no cost increase for a swappable, it's standard.
>I think it's also supposed to be invisible unless you use Enhanced Vision.
It's invisible except in infrared, yes.

>>46045942

Hrm, I definitely feel like I read that somewhere. But that may actually have been eratta'd at some point. I know the Plasma Rifle has been through a few versions over the years.

>>46045886
>I think it's also supposed to be invisible unless you use Enhanced Vision.
But that's fucking stupid because a charged particle beam is going to seriously ionize the air.

>>46037542
I'd play it as is, but change the octopus species to Lesser Pacific Striped Octopus. Fuck size making it easier. You want social animals, not a species of sociopaths.

>>46037703
>>46037882

I don't see why there are so many surviving whale uplifts but no elephant ones. Survivors would obviously have had to be in a humanoid morph, or at least be an infomorph at the time of the fall. Mammoth uplifts sound cool, but that would only need to be a slight flavor thing,. I can't imagine them having different background bonuses. Also, obligitory REMOVE SURYA.

>>46040332
Extropians for all of the above. Free market make everything better.

>>46046444
>You want social animals, not a species of sociopaths.

If this was true, they wouldn't have uploaded Chimpanzees

Good trips

>>46046501
>>46046444
>You want social animals, not a species of sociopaths.
I mean, we already have humanity.

>>46046501
Are chimps really worse than orangutans? I heard orangutans were dicks. I also don't see much reason for us to have uplifted bonobos. There's not much to be learned from their perspective. It's always about sex.

>>46046444
Octopus uplifts are transgenic
>>46046501
Chimpanzees have complex social behavior
>>46046587
Bonobos do stuff besides fucking


The reductionism is getting way out of control.

>>46046648
If you call killing and eating each others' babies complex social behavior, sure. Uplift shills belong on >>>r/mercurials

>>46046587
Orangutans males are known to rape both orangutan females and human women

>>46047332

To be fair, human males also rape human females. And if nobody has tried to fuck another primate in human history, I would be astounded.

>>46047338
>To be fair, human males also rape human females
Human males rape knotholes in woodland cabins, never mind human females or animal ones.

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Why is there no Kangaroo based combat pod?

>>46048581
Australians don't even know the Fall happened. They just think the spiders are a bit livelier than usual.

>>46048581
Because they can't fucking walk. Kangaroos aren't very good animals.

How big of an army do you need to successfully hold a chunk of the TQZ? What kind of political connections do you need to avoid being wrecked on the way in or out?

>>46050923
One guy if you're sneaky about it

If you're doing this you're probably a brinkers, and thus give zero fucks about political connections

How does anyone in AF 10 keep themselves beneath notice?

>>46051537
Live deep within the clouds of Neptune, or in the Kuiper Belt.

Or use a fake identity.

>>46051595
A fake identity so boring that it makes me invisible?

>>46048581

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFCvPrzj4BU

>>46051862
All that matters is no one knows it's you

>>46051977
Wow. A kangaroo that can crush an aluminum bucket from the dollar store.

>>46052043
>On the Mesh, no one knows you're not human

>>46053378
>On the mesh, no one knows you're exhuman
Want to come over for dinner?

>>46053605
I wouldn't be much of a meal. Terabytes are tasteless, y'know.

Has anyone tried running an Eclipse phase game set in Glitch, or another all Infomorph habitat?

>>46053694
>Terabytes are tasteless, y'know.

You mean you've not modified your infomorph software to taste different flavours when you delete files, based on their contents? I wonder whether or not you could modify smart animal egos so that corrupted data tastes sweet, and critical files taste bitter as all hell, then run your smart animal software to clean up your own network. Kind of like how the Titanian caribou perceive their environment diffrently, but for infomorphs.

>>46054999
That just invites disaster when someone invents digi-rabbits that devour data, reproduce like mad, and spread to any system that they can find. Then someone creates digi-dingoes to put them in check, and then before long there's an entire digital ecosystem messing about in your 5-pettabyte collection of porn.

>>46054999
It's more efficient to not have taste emulation than to have it, in my experience. Humans like yourself would no doubt choose to emulate taste for aesthetic reasons, which I can accept.

>>46055249
Ah, yes, the stupidity of transhumanity is so hilarious.

>>46055600
>It's more efficient to not have taste emulation than to have it, in my experience.

Eh, I'd rather have taste, smell, sight, vision, touch and whatever other crazy new senses I can come up with, rather than needlessly limiting the ways in which I can appreciate my environment for the sake of "efficiency". New perspectives often yield new ideas and breakthroughs!

>>46055249
And so the background for my next AGI NPC is born.

>>46055249
Already happened

>>46055249

This is essentially how Web life works in Transhuman Space.

>>46056053

Technically, Emergent AI in EP work similar. Just let an ALI system run long enough on a large enough system or keep cludging stuff onto it and you can make an AGI.

>>46055932
>>46055249
>And so the background for my next AGI NPC is born.
The AGI is a digital dingo hunter?

>>46055932
So you rate efficiency lower than new experiences in your value system. That is okay, as long as your value system is adequately optimal for your context.

>>46056238
I'll be honest, it's just an excuse to have an NPC speak in an Australian accent and complain about how dingoes ate its file structure once. I shall not get too attached to the idea, because I reckon it'll last two, maybe three minutes tops, before the players decide it's insufferable and send it's ego tumbling back to the nearest resleeving facility.

>>46048201

GiTS works so well as the basis for a Pre-Fall type of setting. If I ever had to run an intro game I would do something like that where the PCs were operating just up to the fall and getting inducted into FireWall.

>>46057851
>GiTS works so well as the basis for a Pre-Fall type of setting.
Or a partocularly hardcore group of Jovian or Loonie security forces

>>46056272
I honestly don't see the context in which reducing your sensory suite by a whole mode of sensation is particularly optimal

>>46058780
Here's one:

You don't have a mouth

>>46059000

But, your brain-pattern and brain emulator says you have a mouth and a sense of taste.

>>46059134
Until I hack it to delete your mouth and tongue and then put you in a simulspace composed entirely of delicious food.

>>46059394

I think the food element would be useless, actually splicing out the parts of the brainscan which govern those areas would make you grossly insane and dysfunctional already.

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>>46034834

>>46059134
That's fixed easily enough. Alternatively, don't input any stimuli to that part of the brain pattern.

>>46059134
Dude, are you dense? It's an AI. It's got no taste.

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>>46060332

If it's an ALI, this is true. But AGI are usually modeled off imprints of the human brain (or other brain patterns) and thus have what they call "legacy peripherals", which is what they call all the stuff used to say, exist in a physical instance which aren't required for VR without needing a massive patch or to get a big case of shock from such a thing.

So yes, AGI usually know what having a tongue, lungs and genitals is actually like. Slashing that out is like hacking out chunks of a bio-person's brain.

>>46060473
>without needing a massive patch

You realize there are people with no sense of taste, right? It's not hard to get rid of.

>>46060473
It wouldn't be weird, then, for an AGI to take up cooking as a hobby?

>>46060669

Yeah, but those people are weird. Why would you make more weird people? Especially when VR and narcoalgorithms are a thing and you can replicate an experience even for synths and info-states?

>>46060898

It's not particularly weird for an AGI to have any kind of hobby. Hobbies are encourages, less time to think about killing all the humans.

>>46060669
>>46061089

Also, we're talking about the reverse. Unless you're doing whatever it is to the brains of potential morphs to make them ataste (since I doubt the actual lack of taste counts as a fundamental aspect of the "Ego" state, that's modeled as a Morph-side defect), you'd leave brain emulation software with the taste sense so that AIs and uploads don't freak the fuck out when they discover what taste is if you ever slap them, in a real body or a more detailed simulacrum of one.

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>>46061226

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>>46061259

>>46051595
Use A LOT of fake identities. Make them, use them, ditch them, they have to exist only as long as they are needed. If you fuck up, ditch it. If you fuck up using your original identity, ditch it too, if needed, it's not that different from any other.

That's assuming you actually need to be beneath notice. If not, you can live without it perfectly well.

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>>46061302

In what situations melee can be a viable tactic? Even in close quarters pistols and SMGs are superior. One of my players tries to charge in a straight line with his mono-sword while shouting some bullshit about some emperor every time there is combat, and gets torn to shreds by bullets every time. How do I build an encounter that can use melee characters properly?

>>46061498

Well, if your player keeps rushing men with guns in straight lines that's his own fault, that's not how you engage in that situation.

But in general, for starters many types of habs frown on the use of Firearms because a stray bullet could be a hole in the space window or a ruptured power line or whatever. This is strongest in the LLA, where there's a lot of cultural baggage for how fragile space living is, even if you're very unlikely to actually breach a pressure hull with an SMG.

For second, there are actually penalties to fire into a melee, including when someone is within range to stab you with a knife. If you want to build encounters where the melee guy can actually take some shots, don't have him rush down straight corridors, give him some chest high walls or some shadows to hide in.

Also, if he insists on charging enemies anyway, tell him to at least buy some real fucking armor and have actual points in Fray and REF. Probably a decent Speed. Thugs with pistols wont be able to stop you if you are actually a genius with a sword who can rush in and stab them three times in the same amount of time they can pull the trigger twice.

>>46061498
Also, in general, how do you build combat encounters in your games? I assume that ordinary transhuman is at least as smart as any modern-day human and everyone on the battlefield can communicate with each other no problem, so I don't pull any punches in terms of tactics and efficiency - everyone tries to be as mobile as possible, use cover all the time, don't waste ammo, aim well, and such.

>>46061663
Thanks!

>>46061498
Tell him to stop being a mongoloid. Anyone charging at firearm-wielding characters with a sword deserves to be shot to pieces. If he really wants to be an ebin space ninja he should be stealthy. Melee shouldn't be your primary fighting style in 22nd century warfare.

>>46061791
Is it actually 22nd century? Transhuman life path generation option has rules for 100+ year old characters which were born on Luna/Mars/Belt/whatever.

>>46061671

Well, you're right in that your average transhuman is as smarter than the average joe today, and they should usually have pretty efficient communication. But, they're also still human, so they can make human mistakes. Triad thugs or gangbangers are still a different beast to security professionals or black ops guys, so not every enemy should be treated like the latter.

Broadly, I tend to model combat forces for encounters with as much realism to the setting as possible. Combat should always be optional, or should serve as a consequence or risk for other actions, and PCs should be able to adjust accordingly. If PCs pick a fight with those Direct Action mercs, or they fuck up and get five stars so the Martian Battlesuit cops come, that is their own problem.

>>46061791

Personally, I always treat melee as your backup or last resort weapon. But I also generally tend to rule that except in the most heavily secured polities melee weapons are allowed to be carried no problem. Martian or Lunar cops shouldn't care if you're wearing a set of katanas, they assume they can shoot you pretty dead before you can cause too much of a ruckus with your big knives.

>>46061498
What >>46061498 and >>46061791 said, though I'll add that in my games, I allow you to make two melee attacks with each complex action, and am generally more generous about attacks being armor-defeating - an armored dude with a heavy helmet probably doesn't have any weak points that can be targeted with bullets, but if you get close and have a wasp knife...

That won't save your charging space marine wannabe, but I find the extra lethality appropriate, makes knife-wielding hacked bots genuinely dangerous to armored PCs, and it speeds up combat (ie, you're not sitting in CQC multiple rounds).

>>46061498
>charge in a straight line with his mono-sword while shouting some bullshit about some emperor

He thinks he's a Space Marine. Tell him that this is not 40k. .

>>46061910
Welp. So that's where that came from. Never got into 40k, actually.

>>46061882

Generally it's thought that EP takes place somewhere in the mid 2100s. We have a couple of exact dates or date based on some stuff, but since there is no formal date system you can do whatever.

In the fiction there's mention of characters in the setting who were born in the 20th century, so sky's the limit on age overall. Specifically for like, lifepath and stuff you have to take it with a grain of salt. I tend to reroll stupid shit.

>>46061882
Transhuman lifepath generation can sometimes do stuff that doesn't generally make sense. The actual calendar date doesn't matter for these purposes, because belter colonies, for example, aren't really established until after BF60 anyway, and major stations (ie, where you might raise a kid) don't come until around that time either.

Anyway, I tend to put the date around 2140, but it could be as early as 2110ish, depending on your level of optimism/pessimism. The latest date I've put it is in the early 2230s.

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>>46061498
To defeat bullet, you must become bullet.

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>>46061498
Don't be a pussy. Feel free to make melee weapons do a little bit more damage, but if your players are dumbasses that's their problem. If they want to stab people, it's their responsibility to create tactical situations where that's a good idea.

I will also point out that knives are much, much quieter even than suppressed pistols firing subsonic loads.

>>46061882
Yeah, so? I see no reason people can't be born on Mars and Luna in late 20XX

>>46062714

You can also throw knives in a pinch.

>>46062575

This is also not wrong.

>>46062809
Throwing knives is a meme.

>>46062714
There is also much more limited collateral damage with melee. Stray bullets can hit people or other things, a missed slice can't unless if you're in a moshpit.

>>46063108
I throw knives

>>46063108
>>46062809
>>46063208

Really, we could use some inspiration from snow crash and like, throw monofilament spears. That'd be scary as hell. Imagine throwing something with the same stats as a monowire garotte?

>>46063298
>monofilament spear
What does that even mean

>>46063298
What about attaching an engine meant for mini/micro missiles to the back of it?

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>>46063298
>year of our Lord 2143
>throwing projectiles instead of shooting them

>>46063335
Like a Special Circumstances knife missile?

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>>46063335

Well, that'd take the stealth aspect. Part of why Raven is so freaky in Snow Crash is he's throwing fucking spears out of nowhere, sometimes with his knives on the end.

>>46063298

It's super bullshit, but in Snow Crash one of the major antagonists makes knives out of chipping or knapping glass which are supposed to be as thin as one molecule wide. He uses these to make or enhance harpoons which he throws at people. They don't show up as weapons to most scanners, but are sharp enough to beat most type of armor. Keep in mind this is also the book with a man-portable nuclear powered rail minigun wielded by the same character who also carries katanas.

>>46063335
Why don't we just shoot nanowire-sharp spears with jet engines out of some tube, for precision? Why don't we strap an explosive to the tip? Wait a minute...

>>46063448

Mean to link >>46063324

>>46063448
>It's super bullshit, but in Snow Crash one of the major antagonists makes knives out of chipping or knapping glass which are supposed to be as thin as one molecule wide.

Yeah, that's how obsidian works. Incidentally, that is absolutely not what monofilament is.

I have no idea why people think being super sharp makes something a good weapon.

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>>46063298
I remember reading somewhere that the Germans already have something like that.

>>46063487

>Yeah, that's how obsidian works.

True, but I don't recall it ever being specified in the novel he's using volcanic glass. Obsidian would probably register on the equivalent of a T-ray also. Hence "super bullshit".

>Incidentally, that is absolutely not what monofilament is.

But they are called "Monofilament swords" in the book. "Monomolecular" is usually more accepted I suppose.

>I have no idea why people think being super sharp makes something a good weapon.

Depends on what you're doing. In EP, I think the idea is you're sharp enough to slice through armor, many objects and cleanly through people so you can make a very deadly slash or stab. The sword can quote "easily cut through metal or limbs" unquote.

>>46063695
>True, but I don't recall it ever being specified in the novel he's using volcanic glass. Obsidian would probably register on the equivalent of a T-ray also. Hence "super bullshit".

It's likely that an engineered glass would be better in many ways. It would certainly be detectable by T-rays though.

>But they are called "Monofilament swords" in the book. "Monomolecular" is usually more accepted I suppose.

In traditional SF nomenclature, monomolecular weapons are about one molecule thick across the entire non-handle portion of the weapon.

> In EP, I think the idea is you're sharp enough to slice through armor

Material strength, stiffness, hardness, and ductility are also extremely important material qualities for armor penetration.

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>>46064285
What purpose does the index finger and pinky folding up serve? Is it supposed to be like a guard?

>>46039504
I like you though anon

>>46064338
The pinky is a COT and the index is a laser gun.

>>46064661
explain COT

>>46064709
Covert Operations Tool. Basically a lockpick-hacktool-drill-glasscutter-probe-screwdriver-whatever, all in one. It's from the core rulebook.

>>46062020

Honestly, I think fussing around precise AD dates kind of misses the point of the setting which is "it's the future, and it's been the future for A WHILE". The only reason you might NEED pre-Fall dates to be precisely defined would be if the game was set on Earth, maybe if it was dealing with the Fall itself directly (like as a flashback or whatever), maybe if it was dealing with a lot of pre-Fall stuff like Reclaimers selling Earth relics... But if you're on Mars doing gang shit, or out in the Belt battling exsurgent fuckbeasts then 10 AF is fine.

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>>46065174
I like to emphasize what was lost in the Fall. It's been the future for a while, but it's the future of *our* world, recovering from a horrible trauma and accelerating change that distorts and twists our relationship with the past.

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>>46065437

>>46065437
>plant in a jar

Meme art

>>46065437
If this is the future of our world, then we can stop the Fall before it's too late. C'mon! Let's save the world!

>>46065567
From what?

>>46065487

We are all Memes.

>>46065602
From the future!

>>46065633
Alright. I'm honing and oiling my halberd. Where and when?

>>46065738
Paddys Day, 2016, on the Emerald Isle. Kill the Fat Boy with Wicked Sideburns.

>>46064661
Deus Ex is not Eclipse Phase.

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>>46066102
Isn't it, anon? Isn't it?

>>46066360
On the other hand, an NPC making a called shot at your cyberlimb with implanted hand laser and COT would be a good way to take away a lot of your powerful toys at once.

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>>46066360

>>46066360

Even the furthest along in Deus Ex's timeline with the sequel ABOUT WHICH WE DO NOT SPEAK, that's like, pre-Fall Eclipse Phase at best. Invisible War dealt with nano-WMD's but that's just one part of the arsenal that the TITANs get their hands on.

>>46066396
>not using a flexbot with an implanted CM

>>46063815
One molecule thick across the entire weapon would be flimsy as fuck. It's very rarely what is meant by monomolecular. Monomolecular is usually short for monomolecular edged.

>>46066462
The smallest CM is the size of a flexbot. You must be a genuine retard. I thought those were extinct everywhere except in the Junta.

>>46066430
WHOA NELLY IS THAT SCARLETT O'HARA?

>>46066513
>Monomolecular is usually short for monomolecular edged.

Which is short for 'anything that has been sharpened properly'

>>The smallest CM is the size of a flexbot.
>not realizing that adesktop CM is the size of a flexbot module and thus can be incorporated into larger flexbots.

>>46037363
'Penal'.

Heh heh heh.

>>46038312
They tried uplifting cats. I think it was wobblycats where they explained they couldn't.

>>46034834
>What is your Firewall Server called, /epg/?
"Quick, look over there!"

A large part of our games include working out how to transport the giant scour ring we got ahold of.

>>46067489
what's a scour ring?

>>46067979

30cm hole that turns things into a fine mist of their component atoms and cherenkov radiation.

>>46068054
What if it's in a vacuum?

>>46068068
Fuck if I know. The description just reads that it disassembles anything passing through it after it is shaken into cherenkov radiation and component atoms until 1kg has been sent through. We've never used it in raw vacuum.

Scour rings are fun. At some point, I might make a "stargate" using one for my players to encounter.

Anybody got the Fate book yet?

What are the in-universe dank memes of the various factions in EP?

>>46068691
Memetics is an entire profession. Literally everything they do is a dank meme. The Titanians literally engineered dream memes that said the autonomists were a pack of dickbags.

>>46068708
I mean literally. The anarchists use every second of every day as a meme to demonstrate how their way of living is fucking superior.

>>46034834
>http://eclipsephase.oook.ch/Creator/version4/index.php

Seems to be down or dead.

>>46068752
>http://eclipsephase.oook.ch/Creator/version4/index.php

Try

http://eclipsephase.next-loop.com/Creator/version4/index.php

>>46068201
???

>>46068845

www.drivethrurpg.com/product/176939/Eclipse-Phase-Transhumanitys-Fate

>>46040529
ON the subject of TITANs, who here is convinced that the seed AI working with Firewall is definitely a TITAN that feels guilty about the whole period of insanity thing and is trying to make up for it in some way?

>>46068907
Wasn't X-risks supposed to be next?
>>46068916
Nah. Prommie's probably a soft take off seed-ai. It's using a trillionth of its intelligence as a way to stick it to the titans here while they fight elsewhere.

>>46069269
Yea, but you can't tell me ALL the TITANs are fuckevil monsters. The virus that made them that way is explicitly temporary, and while it has a good chance of driving a seed AI permanently insane, it's only a chance. There has to be TITANs that at least aren't actively hostile to humanity, if not being an atoner.

>>46069269

The Fate hack started playtesting, like, a year ago.

>>46069293
What? It's a virus that turned them into ETI-slaves so they couldn't ever compete with it.

>>46069335
That's literally just one theory out of, what, four or five? The only thing they all agree on is that there was a virus, it did some shit, and TITANs did exactly what humanity should have expected they would fucking do.

I mean FUCKING SERIOUSLY you made a military AI with the ability to learn exponentially and then made it think about war and how to be good at it all the time you were literally making Skynet you stupid fuckers god damn

>>46069389
No, it's offered as the one true explanation in the first paragraph. "Only very few people (or entities) who survived the
diaspora from Earth know of the true reasons and the
catalyst that culminated in the Fall. The alien exsurgent virus—as those aware of its existence within
Firewall call it—is something beyond transhumanity’s understanding. Set in place by the ETI to infect
emerging seed AIs, it is far more complex than just a
computer virus."

>>46069452
Yes, the ETI did it, but WHY they did it and the actual long-term effects are NOT set in stone. I know I read this in one of the books, that the actual details beyond those are up to the GM. I just can't find where in the core book I read about it is.

>>46069543
>>46069452
FOund it. Page 353 of the core rulebook. And other parts of the sourcebooks say not even the TITANs 100% agree with one another and a lot of them just fucked off to do their own thing.

>>46069597
>>46069543
>TITANs are not permanently crazy! The virus is temporary! Not all titans are monsters! There HAS to be a TITAN that isn't a nut! In fact, one is probably listening to the CURE right now and being emo about humanity!
>you are wrong
>no im not
>heres a reference
>No heres a reference that's irrelevant

The section on exsurgent infection has it as something that can't be cured, and actively fights being cured. The only, and I mean only, non-hostile Seed-AIs are the Prometheans. And they are not TITANs - they predate them.

>>46069710
I mean, every one of those entries you provided has something about how the ETI made the exsurgent virus to help themselves and fuck over others. Either to take other people and domesticate them for themselves, or to subjugate them, or whatever.

>>46069710
That's not established. There's an Extropian legal AI that might be a seed AI.

>>46070663
Okay. Fair enough. But outside of that one, point to a seed AI that is exsurgent virus infected and non-hostile.

>>46069710
>The only, and I mean only, non-hostile Seed-AIs are the Prometheans.
Literally wrong. There's also Agent T.

>>46070687
Allow me to clarify. I was saying that there may be uninfected seed AIs that are neither infected nor Prometheans.

>>46072561
Yes, there are. There's a tiny fork of an original TITAN that is a task based hedonist, does psychosurgery for cognite. And is now owned by nine lives. But people owning them or openly researching them (or quietly) disappear.

>>46072631
Or, a fork in the sense that they had access to a development timeline and picked one pre-sapience.

>>46072643
Pre-sapience? How would that be better than just hiring a guy?

>>46074061
Because they could get it right before it went full self improving seed-ai and build into it bits and pieces that they wanted, then move forward. They'd erase it if anything went wrong. It made anyone subjected to it loyal to a Cognite Executive.

>>46074183
Why would those two things necessarily happen at the same time?

>>46074425
What two things?

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>>46034834

>>46074703
Sapience and hard takeoff

>>46075179
Well, I don't seem to recall mentioning hard takeoff in that post, but having a seed AI basically results in you being a pet. Or it is. If it lets you live, at all, you've got purpose. They're not exactly emotional, unless it's by choice.

To create their ultimate psychosurgeon, the hypercorp copied, pruned, and conditioned a gamma
fork of a young, weak AUSTIN AGI. The resulting
gamma, dubbed AWE, was a psychosurgery-obsessed
task hedonist, uninterested in a seed AI’s usual drive
to grow and expand. From here, the plan was to let
AWE operate on successively more mature versions
of its alpha, AUSTIN, until the fork was equal to the
task of performing behavior modifiation on a fully
developed seed AI.
Ultimately, these forced, highly accelerated operations sought to instill total loyalty to Cognite in the
AI, including imprinting the morph and identifiation
metrics of a single executive as “master.” The hope
was that the seed AI would be obedient to its transhuman masters while still allowing for exponential
growth in more objective realms of intelligence

The passages in question.

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Hey /epg/, you guys know the Jovian waifu, right? Maritza Maria Ortega, from the questionnaire? It's attached here if you haven't seen it yet. I'd like to play as that character in a Firewall game (or at least, a character very similar to her, ie original character donut steel), but I'm trying to figure out a believable reason why she'd join them. The game's going to take place primarily between Jupiter and Saturn according to the GM, with some travel to exoplanets possible.

>>46075225
The capability for hard-takeoff is what makes as seed AI a seed AI.

>>46075268
They forked an already sapient AGI. The writer also described the process of creating a beta or delta fork, but called it a gamma fork.

Really though it sounds like they just pruned it in such a way as to prevent most kinds of personal development, which wouldn't even be a beta fork, just a conditioned alpha.

>>46075322
Picked up to be a field agent after displaying loyalty to the republic and lateral thinking. So they sent her out to watch the neo-A filth.
>>46075467
Read the Devotees. They used

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>>46068916
America wasn't the only country with an AI program. My theory is that Firewall was created by a British-made Seed AI, originally used by MI6.

I have no evidence to support this, I just like the idea that one of the Prometheans is literally M from James Bond.

>>46075496
>Read the Devotees. They used

Damned TITANs must have gotten to him mid-sentence

>>46075822
Nice of them to hit reply for him though.

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>>46075322
Take the section about the radical Baptist sect trying to exterminate a habitat and change it so that she (maybe inadvertently) worked alongside a Firewall cell that stopped them

If it's wasn't immediately obvious, 'Falange' is supposed to be the same character

Let's make a set of tables for randomly generating servers

>>46077701

Okay, you start.

>>46077701
>Server size
>Server clique
>Server secrecy
>Server political unity
>Server faction(s)
>Special purpose, if any

>>46077942
>operational area
>resources

How do I use Firewall differently from "an-organization-that-the-PCs-work-for"? My thought for now are bogeymen - murderous bastards who will hack, kidnap, and wreck your shit if you even think about messing wtih TITAN tech, WMDs, creating new viruses, experiment with recursive mind-enhancement, and such. And they can be literally anywhere. You told that cute sylph that you like to think what would you do if you were super-intelligent? She pulls out a gun and shoots you in the face 24 times, rips out your stack and burns your body. You pick up a package full of deadly infectious diseases and try to sell it on the black market? Boom, your spaceship is nuked and memories erased. You break into an AI lab and steal some equipment to tinker with? Enjoy your antimatter grenade in the face when you get out. And so on. Can it work, assuming I not overdo it?

>>46078438
I thought that was how Firewall was. You're just the guys doing the shooting and exploding.

>>46078438
>She pulls out a gun and shoots you in the face 24 times, rips out your stack and burns your body.

Firewall is generally better at its job than that.

>your spaceship

wut?

>>46078502
>Firewall is generally better at its job than that.

Reminder that this is an OZMA board. Firewall shills belong on >>>r/anarkiddos

>>46078438
Very few people know about Firewall. I'd put it as mesh conspiracy theory fodder and leave it there in the gray space of conspiracy, along with Ozma, JFI, Titanian Intel, and cults that are secretly run by the TITANs.

>>46078438
Of course it can work. The catch is you have to use them sparingly. The players have to be dreading meeting Firewall before they ever brush paths with them.

>>46078532
>shill
for saying that Firewall understands that backups exist?

>>46078556
They do. But what forbids them from doing a few calls to erase them? If they want you gone, they are perfectly capable of that.

>>46078472
Um, no? The guys doing the shooting and exploding are erasure teams, and a sentinel's (PC's) job is to investigate events, find shit and make sure the guys doing the shooting and exploding shoot and explode at the right thing?

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>>46075322
Option one: the Tio Silencio option. Recognizing the futility and illogic of the Jovian isolationist position (ie, that if they turtle in the Jovian system it's just a question of when but not if they get eaten by a TITAN or exsurgent outbreak, and their current strategy makes coordinated defense against TITANs impossible). To really end up committing to Firewall, they'd have to be convinced that the Jovian government can't be trusted or changed - for example, if the Jovian government showed more interest in covering up outbreaks and blaming them on scapegoats than developing effective countermeasures, an otherwise-loyal Jovian might be willing to operate with Firewall. Dangerous, but...exactly the kind of flexibility Firewall looks for in an agent.

Option two: they don't know they're working for Firewall. Firewall has inserted agents or corrupted official communications, so while they're loyal to the Republic, they're supporting Firewall operatives. This will require either compromising a good portion of the chain of command, or otherwise contriving an excuse to keep the Jovian in the dark on some things. Being under deep unofficial cover would be one option.

Option three: they're infiltrating Firewall on behalf of the Jovian government. This being Firewall, they probably know, but are willing to allow it because it gives them access to the Republic, and they may want to officially turn the agent at some point. This may be your best option, since it gives you an agent who is motivated by patriotism, but not constantly on the verge of turning on their allies.

>>46078618
The fact that she just met the guy in this scenario and has no idea who he is, whether he has active forks that will go to ground, or whether all of his backups are accessible. Also, she has got no idea whether he has any contacts and she probably shouldn't just be shooting people in the face in public.

>>46078652
No, Sentinels participate in covert combat operations.

Erasure teams are for overt operations, usually when sentinels have fucked up the mission.

>>46078726
>>46078652

Technically, Sentinels are flexible, multipurpose agents. You are not a specialist as a Sentinel, you are an asset who can be "trusted" to investigate a situation and shoot out if you have to, or just hack the situation away, or social engineer it, and if you're in over your head, you call up the chain to your Proxy and they will track one of Firewalls dedicated specialists for all those roles onto the problem.

>>46078676
>or changed
Given that firewall does memetic ops that could achieve that goal, I'm not sure I agree

>>46078726
You're speculating. Maybe she was following him and data-mined biographies for his entire family tree, and at this point knows everything about him. Maybe it's a fork-napped and brainwashed version of himself that works for Firewall, sleeved into a sylph. There's too few information.

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>>46078550
>>46078539
These. Firewall also likes to operate through other agencies and hide itself with disinformation campaigns, so most of the time it's only intelligence specialists who even learn that they're involved.

Anyway, >>46078438 , they can be allies without being employers. For Argonaut or Titanian intelligence services, Firewall is an ally, but a mercurial (literally) one. Their agendas aren't exactly the same as yours, they don't always share everything, and they like to leave you and yours holding the blame when tits rocket skyward...but at the same time, they have agents in useful places you can't access, intelligence that you badly need, and technological capabilities that are unmatched.

>>46078773
That's actually the spirit of EP - something happened, and it's always for a reason, and the thrill lies in finding why, how, and who is to blame. And something else can happen to you while you seek answers, and all of the above applies. Stay paranoid.

>>46078766
Well, they might be convinced that the republic wouldn't be changed from the inside. An agent who defected precisely so that they could use memetic ops to get the Republic back on track and non-isolationist would be...interesting, though I'm not sure how feasible that really is.

>>46078766
>implying Jovian citizens are allowed to read foreign propaganda
Anything short of a basilisk hack won't even reach its intended targets.

>>46079007
Hopefully the Jovian propagandists aren't exsurgent sleeper agents.

>>46079007

If they are mostly flats without basic bio-mods then a basilisk whouldn't hurt them. But then again TITANS so throw that out the window I guess.

>>46079007
You realize that a Jovian Firewall agent is already part of the scenario, right? Also, I'm sure the elite can access the outside world and they're prime targets.

>>46079098
What?

>>46079140
I would have thought being mostly flats they wouldn't be as vulnerable to things like basilisk hacks but even then most bio-morphs have regular meat brains so if it can work on them it can work on a bog standard human no problem.

Not to mention assuming TITAN tech at work it can probably do whatever it wants to infect anyone and anything.

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>>46079279

Nope, the Basilisk Hack exploits fundamental weaknesses in the Ego, through a sensory input. While theoretically flats are predisposed to genetic disorders which could render them otherwise immune to a Basilisk Hack under certain circumstances, the hacks apply to anything with an ego that perceives them in their intended state.

>>46079140
I think he's referring to how people with basic mesh inserts already have readily made avenues for subversion

He might also be talking about the line in Transhuman that implies all morphs that aren't natural human beings have a zero day exploits built into them

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>>46079373

The back of the MRG implies the TITANs have patched around that though, even with Flats. 10 years ago, there may have been genelines less pre-disposed to Basilisk Hacks, but in the face of the X-virus that's not a great defense.

Could a sufficiently powerful/intelligent Seed AI out-maneuver and beat the Exsurgent Virus?

>>46079582

Theoretically? It's possible. Depends on what your interpretation of the ETI is. But you'd need some serious high-end power to out Seed AI the primordial intelligences which have apparently been top of the cosmological food chain for a significant chunk of time.

>>46079582
Depends on what you think the purpose the virus is. I'd say yes - the TITANs, at least, seem to think that they can - but whether or not that's just part II of the ETI's plan is up for debate.

>>46079582
According to the canon the Prometheans already did, hence they're still around

>>46079582
Yes, the same way a sufficiently intelligent child can out-maneuver an unexploded artillery shell, namely "stop throwing rocks at it you retard, the fuse is still live".

>>46079358
>the hacks apply to anything with an ego
Even AGI uplifts?

>>46079968

RAW I believe so yes. If you have the sensory equipment to interpret a Basilisk Hack, you can be hacked. Though much like Analog Tools or Faraday Mods can give you a bonus on a hack roll, a GM might allow a character with a very weird psychology to get bonuses on a hack not designed for them

>>46080056
If certain flats can get bonuses then the fucking octopus certainly should

>>46080089

I don't think certain Flats actually get a bonus. Okay, I mean, you could pull a "Actually, I'm color blind, so does this hack affect me?" trick but normally being colorblind is not good for you. As pointed out >>46079493 that "not disposed" think only applies to morph lines in production around the Fall, no reason 10 years of adaptation haven't overcome that factor.

>>46080089
Octopodes are protostomes. Do their neurons even operate on the same principles as ours?

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>>46080253

Uplifting process involves cramming square psychology into round brains

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>>46080284
Yes, to make something vaguely human like on first impression. Doesn't mean it's going to have the same security vulnerabilities.

>>46080284
What is this picture from?

>>46034834
New thread >>46080724

>>46079493
The MRG is shit.