>Neutral Evil

>>46033217
Big Titties/10

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>>46033457
True

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>Chaotic Good

We've talked about this
>>46033217
>mass murderer
>>46034819
>is from "it's ok when gil does it"-land

>>46035081
Please do not insult Casty. She's a CUTE.

>>46035132
She's cute as hell. She still killed a shitton of people

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>>46035144

>So what do you want me to do, kill her?

"I think you would have along time ago if she looked like me instead of the T-Mobile girl."

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>Neutral Evil

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Am I popular now?

>>46033217
that's what we call Evil, senpai

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Wouldn't all non corrupted servants be considered good? I mean sure they killed a lot of people but that's how Alaya gets counter guardians.

>>46035718
No, there are also anti-heroes, like Medea or Gilles or Hassan that aren't considered heroic

Also I don't think Alaya just "gets" CGs, they have to make a contract to become one

>>46033217
Anon her alignment is clearly chaotic-waifu

>>46034819
Gil being CG is probably because Nasuverse aligment system isn't as "objective" as standard DnD aligment. If I recall correctly, his motivation is the betterment of humanity by making everybody into legendary heroes. That's a pretty good goal.
Unfortunately his method for accomplishing that is to kill 99% of humanity so only the strongest will remain (plus heroic power in Nasuverse seems to follow the inverse ninja law: there's a finite amount of it divided among all people, so less people there are the more awesome they can be).

>>46035783
Those are who I mean by corrupted heroes, because they only get summoned after the corruption of the grail during the third war.

Same thing, they become heroic spirits and counter guardians by killing a lot of people in their lives. I'm not sure if you could call them evil for that. Not sure about Tamamo, since she is a witch and Gil didn't actually kill a lot of people during his life. But someone like >>46035598
killed a whole load of people and still she's a pretty standard heroic spirit. Same with someone like Iskandar.

Wow it's almost like the whole system of Nasuverse rules that people like to jerk off to is completely arbitrary and meaningless!

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>>46035908
this
Type-Moon aligments dont' really matter and unlike DnD good and evil aren't objective and tangible forces that exist in their universe

>>46035941
I think the overall impact on history is more important in becoming a Servant than your killcount. I mean Shakespeare or Andersen aren't famous murderers or anything

>>46035415
Isn't she pretty much chaotic incarnate since she does whatever she fucking pleases?

>>46036042
Well I guess, I'm not sure how Andersen would stop a rampaging demon or something though. But whatever this franchise is turning into a clusterfuck. Appearently Attila the hun is chaotic good as well. I'm not exactly sure if that's how he's primarily seen in history but okay.

Why is it that /tg/ is so obsessed with Type-Moon?

>>46036284
Type-Moon obsession is like sand, it's course and rough and it gets everywhere.

>>46036284
Probably because Nasu is an rpg nerd and fate is constructed as a pseudo tabletop game.

>>46036341
not to mention that fate is living it's renaissance now

>>46036284
Like one thread every once in a while
What an obsession

>>46036284
Because it's the nerdiest fucking thing in the world. It's a Who Would Win argument, wizards, and statistics all rolled into one package.

>>46036284

It's spergy and makes an interesting game setting, of course /tg/ likes it.

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>>46036195
Charless Babbage is a steam powered robot and Tesla has fucking thunder powers.

>>46035598
Well it's a stretch but those beating demons and shit is still more reasonable than "I wrote children's books, and shit".

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>cg, ce and cn

>>46036759
Was meant for >>46036700
Not sure why it was clicked on that one.

>>46036759
Well they don't beat "demons" really
Also Andersen is Caster, which means he can do magic thanks to Grail, even though he couldn't in life. Also his special ability can rewrite reality to an extent

>>46037002
That's pretty much what heroic spirits are for though, but then again this sort of stuff gets retconned all the time so whatever.

>>46037057
Heroic spirits summoned in an HGW are for fighting other heroic spirits, not "demons"
Did you read any of the Fate stuff?

>>46036799
>CG is Edgy
>Robin Hood is Edgy
I really hope you're joking.

>>46036195
He was shitty for China I guess but apparently he brought prosperity and order to other regions
and maybe some minor education iirc

>>46037111
The point of heroes who are in the throne of heroes is serving Alaya and eliminating things that would threaten mankind, that aren't nature spirits, and I couldn't think of anything other than demons on the spot that would fall into that category. The grail wars is for the activation of the Einzbern's third magic heaven's dress by summoning said heroic spirits from the throne of heroes. At least that was what it was initially but at this point I'm pretty sure it's just whatever let's throw shit that sounds fun.

>>46037177
I mean I wouldn't consider him/her evil but even the character design goes "As a King of Combat, she turns into a combat machine in battle able to calmly and accurately take grasp of the situation and execute a merciless massacre. She has an innate compulsion to destroy that she describes as being even greater than that of a Command Spell."
And she probably has the highest count of dead bodies and burned towns piled up in life, so the rating is a bit odd.

>>46037165
>Robin Hood isn't Edgy

Anon...

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>>46033217
>Lawful Good

>>46036799
>tfw no DMC5

>>46037165
There was a BBC reimagining series a few years back where Robin Hood was edgy as fuck.

>>46037538
>BBC
Found the problem

>>46035598
Is that Genghis Khan?

>>46037594
Attila the hun

>>46037165
Uncle Dante being edgy to boot.

>>46037498
There was recently a photo released with Reuben and JYB in mocap gear, take that for what you will

>>46035598
At this point their just milking turning a awesome warlords into women

>>46037744
>At this point
Wasn't that the whole premise of F/SN in the first place?

>>46037744
If they had any self awareness at all Joan of Arc would be a beautiful dude.

>>46037784
Actually they wanted King Arthur to be male but test audiences didn't react well to being a girl.

>>46037633
Sure, whatever. I can buy that in a conspiracy theory sort of way. Like Drake.

>>46037866
The hell are you talking about.

>>46033217
To be fair, she only has one person she gives a shit about.

She's actively willing to murder anyone and everyone else to make her husbando's life easier, and genuinely sees nothing wrong with murder.

Other people's lives are basically a game to her. She doesn't kill for absolutely no reason, but she doesn't need much of one either.

That's pretty textbook Neutral Evil.

>>46037880
Maybe she'll get more backstory with extella, because atm she's just a saber clone.

>>46033217
>neutral

More like chaotic. She went out on her way to shit all over the very foundation of society in at least one of her incarnations.

>>46037165
>I really hope you're joking.
Robin Hood is LG, though.

>>46037834
But then there wouldn't be SEISHOUJOYOOO

>>46037898
Fate Stay/Night was supposed to have a female lead and King Arthur was a dude.


You dingus

>>46037928
She doesn't look even close to Saber
Also she may or not be an alien that's not actually Attila

>>46037898
When Fate was first drafted the protagonist was a girl and could romance King Arthur, who was a dude. Other options included Cu, Gilgamesh, and I believe Ramses II. But they realized that the audience they were aiming for wouldn't buy a game were you romanced hunky dudes, so they swapped things around a little.

You are now realizing how hilarious it is that, in the final game, Shirou is Saber's sheath.

>>46037744
make prototype you fucking chinks

I want king arthur inside me.

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>>46037898
>The hell are you talking about.
In the originally draft of F:S/N, King Arthur was male, and the protagonist who made a contract him was female.
There was concern that a VN with a female lead wouldn't sell as well, so they switched the genders of both characters.

Pic related: this was Arthur's original design.

>>46037951
He's neutral good, actually.

>>46037951
literally stealing is lawful. Are you on drugs nigga?

>>46038005
>>46038027
>>46038028
>>46038047
Oh yeah fate prototype. That was pretty shit though and Saber is the poster figure of the fate series.

>>46038047
Haven't otome games basically always been a thing?

>>46037784
Not at first. There's a reason Saber was just called Saber at first.

>>46038005
Prototype was set so far back in the development process that actually calling it F/SN or saying it was supposed to be that way is patently retarded.
/Prototype and /SN are very, very different things.

Also swordautist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generic reverse harem protagonist witch.

>>46038027
Meant it personality wise. "strong independent warlord woman with an emptiness inside who needs a master to fill her holes"

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>>46037951
>>46038067
He's actually Neutral good
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Robin_Hood
Also the Emperor of Rome is Chaotic
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Playable_Saber_(Fate/Extra)
Despite having the same naming system, alignments in the Nasuverse are not the same as they are in D&D

>>46038106
Like the other guy said I'm not sure if you could call fate prototype the same things as f/sn and the fate franchise has been like that for the past 12 years. It's a bit late to start complaining about warlords getting turned into woman.

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>>46038080
don't think they were as popular back then

Gotta say, the redone prototype designs blow basic fate out of the water.

>>46038199
Not sure I agree. I'll agree that Cu looks way better in prototype but protoexcalibur looks retarded and I'm kind of on the fence about Gil.

>>46038199
I don't like that Cu as much as I like the original design.

since Lancer is best boy that's a dealbreaker

>>46038048
>He's neutral good, actually.
Honestly, you could pass him off as any good alignment without too much trouble.

Robin Hood is LG because he remains loyal to the true king even at great risk to himself.
Robin Hood is NG because his first concern is with the people least able to protect themselves from tyranny.
Robin Hood is CG because he leads a contra militia against the acting government.

...unless your talking about the Fate: Extra Robin Hood, in which case he's a CN punk who happened to practice banditry in Sherwood Forest, and was summoned by accident because the Grail couldn't distinguish between him and the actual heroic Robin Hood.

>>46038270
>the Grail couldn't distinguish between him and the actual heroic Robin Hood
Why is the Grail such a fuckup? Can't it do anything right?

>>46038251
Really? Can't say I liked the bodysuit much.

>>46038317
Because wizards were involved in its creation.

>>46038027
I'm not sure if the alien idea would work considering the aristoteles. She just has a fascination with the god Mars.

>>46038067
>literally stealing is lawful. Are you on drugs nigga?
Actually, stealing can literally be lawful in certain specific circumstances, one of which is when a militia steals from an enemy government.

>>46038393
Those fucking chinks messing with germanic alchemic precision.

>>46035908
>>46035994
It probably helps that the spirit of the world itself also thinks modern humanity needs a good culling
See also Primate Murder

>>46038394
>I'm not sure if the alien idea would work considering the aristoteles.
It would work fine, it's not like all theoretical aliens are the ultimate beings of their respective celestial bodies or anything.

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>>46038080
>Haven't otome games basically always been a thing?
They have, but they weren't a market that Type Moon had targeted before.

>>46038448
There's no reason why other aliens would come though.

>>46038442
The spirit of the world wants humanity to go extinct, largely because humans are pretty much planet cancer.
Mind-controlling planet cancer that can infect other planets.

>>46038483
Maybe they fucked up their planet or got kicked off it or just wanted to see what was out there?

>>46038442
Gaia is a whiny bitch, more news at 11.

>>46038317
>Why is the Grail such a fuckup? Can't it do anything right?
It wasn't the actual Grail, it was a computer program emulating the Grail, running on a ludicrously powerful alien crystal-computer, than is buried beneath the moon.

Fate: Extra was kind of dumb in that way.

>>46038423
Hey how about we try putting the devil in it, I'm sure that will sort out all the issues.

>>46038348
Shit yeah.

Mostly I don't like the weird fur collar on just one side this one's got going on/his hairstyle just seems more GENERIC ANIME GUY.

>>46038699
>not liking floofy collar
whoah now

>>46038699
I do agree about the hair, but I like that he looks more fantasy than whatever that body suit of his was going for.

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I AM evil! Stop laughing!

>>46038199
Is it weird that I want to fuck Gilgamesh and Saber more than I want to fuck the girl?

I'm not even gay.

>>46038780
Perfectly normal. And because the girl is the player character, you'd be able to.

>>46038754
It's the asymmetry, anon, I'm sorry ;_;

>>46038780
No, that's gay bro.

It's not that gay though. Gilgamesh is a sexy man.

>>46038775
Don't be silly. No one who's ears waggle when they're flustered could ever be evil.

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>>46038825
>Gilgamesh is a sexy man.
OR a sexy woman!

>>46038926
Fuck off, mongrel.

>>46038804
Nah man, I don't mean I want to play as the girl getting fucked by them, I mean I want to have grunting sweaty buttsex with both of them.

Come to think of it maybe I am a little gay.

>>46038926
Really? Of all the flat-out amazing r63 Gil art out there you chose that shit?

>>46038825
Arthur, though, is apparently super inattentive so you shouldn't get involved long term.

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>>46034819
Gilgamesh is Chaotic Good as presented in the 4th Grail War.

His idea isn't mass murder for the sake of it (which would be Chaotic Evil), but that he views society as complacent, decadent, and ultimately tainted. His "mass murder" scheme is designed to remove those corrupting elements from society, letting only the strong survive, who will then repopulate the Earth with similar strong-types. Don't forget, he was also the first King, the prototype for all other legendary heroes in mythologies around the world, and he still views himself as that king. If the world is his subject, and he views the world as being infected with this illness, is it not good to then cleanse the world of the evils in it?

He is most certainly Chaotic, but it would be a grosser mischaracterization to call him "Chaotic Evil".

>>46038775
>Chaotic CUTE
>Chaotic Waifu

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>>46038145
Yes but the Whore of Babylon is closer to Chaotic Slut than anything else.

>>46038780
Well, the girl is proto-Shirou, so I don't think anyone wants to fuck that.

>>46039006
>>46038926
Here's the question, if Gil was a woman and wasn't "competing" with Shirou for Saber's attention.

Would she want the unique man-shaped Sword in her treasury?

>>46038996
>I don't want to play as the girl getting fucked by them
actually gay

I want it to be a thing if only for all the sword/sheath and sword in the stone jokes I could make about it.

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>>46039029
>hack the Windows Clock on the moon
>Gawain gets fucked by a fox who can't even into her actual noble phantasm

Gawain literally the worst.

>>46039041
I mean, setting aside the feminization that Nasu likes to do, Gilga was pretty damn gay with Enkidu already.

Gil-ko would probably want the bone of that sword, if you know what I mean.

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>>46039078
>opponents have to hack to beat Numeral
>none of them are 1% as fabulous as Gawain
You misspelled best

>>46039041
Probably.
Literally all of the Servants get on fine with Shirou in a peacetime environment, even if Caster's a bit tsun with it.

>>46039041
I dunno. The hate-fuel between the two in UBW suggests that Gilgamesh just views Shirou/Archer as a giant fake. Nothing he does is original.

>>46039031
he'd be a perfect waifu aside from the whole insanity thing

them housekeeping skills, man

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>>46039006
>His idea isn't mass murder for the sake of it (which would be Chaotic Evil), but that he views society as complacent, decadent, and ultimately tainted. His "mass murder" scheme is designed to remove those corrupting elements from society, letting only the strong survive, who will then repopulate the Earth with similar strong-types.

Gilgamesh confirmed for Senator Armstrong?

>>46039041
The final battle changes from a fucking mongrel not knowing his place to a fucking possession not knowing his place.

>>46039184
>Yandere Gil wants Shirou
>realizes Rin has won in this route

>>46039164
The only thing I can see changing with a female Gil is that she doesn't want to possess Sabre, and even that's just a maybe. If you KNOW you're god sovereign of the whole wide world it doesn't really matter if you're a king or a queen.

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This thread needs more best Caster.

>>46033457
Best alignment

>>46039164
Counterpoint: Shirou is a harem protagonist.

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>>46039410
Best Caster you say?

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>>46039449

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>>46039154

>>46036799
>all you want is to be CE warlord who enjoys killing and pillaging villages
>you aren't able to get a tabletop game
>even if you managed, you probably would be called an "edgelord" or would have too much conflict in party
Dammit.

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>>46037706

Don't give me hope anon...

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>>46039499
WHORE OF BABYLON
WHORE OF BABYLON
WHORE OF BABYLON

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>>46039680

>>46039499
>>46039738
Why is Gawain such a bitch?

>>46039680
>>46039738
Well, the whole "number of the Beast" thing DOES specifically refer to Nero.

>>46037477
To be fair, Solomon is defined as being the very best by God himself. He can do no evil as he himself has been set as a definition for what is "good".

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What the autism areyou weebs talkling about?

>>46039576
pic

>>46039793
baka gaijin pls

>>46039786
Well it's not like the God of the Church is the same entity as the omnipotent creator God, so I'm not sure that quite applies.

>>46039831
I think Andersen actually points out at one point that Solomon's evil gig is just an act and he doesn't really hold any negative feelings or grudges in Grand Order. He seems to be simply testing humanity.

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doesn't a lot of their alignment stuff refer more to them in their lives and not in that war?

>>46034819
>>46037477
Araya Souren, Gilgamesh, and Solomon are all the same goddamn character as far as I can tell. Reach the Root and end humanity, unleash Angra Mainyu and kill everything, be OP as fuck and destroy everything...

Souren isn't explicitly Good-aligned like the other two, but he's also the most up-front about his good motivations. He's a monk. He's seen so many people die, pathetically, beyond salvation, that he's willing to set up some inane infinite torture scheme to put an end to it all. The current existence of humanity is pathetic, with so many people living and dying meaninglessly; I need to be the final arbiter of everything so those people can have meaning.

Gilgamesh has the same motivation. Throngs of people are living and dying meaninglessly, listless, just surplus population. Nasu is a Japanese, he knows damn well how that feels. It's disgusting and morally outrageous, and Gilgamesh is Good-aligned because his behavior fundamentally centers around trying to correct that moral outrage. Him being kinda shitty on a personal level is ancillary.

>>46033217
I love Tamamo but as far as he evil goes. She is just another evil woman who can/will be saved by the power of love.
It's all she wants and really all she seems to have ever wanted. It is really getting to be a overused trope. The evil hot female villain who just needs the lawful and good heroes dick to show her the way of love and justice.

>>46039449
> stole her staff from poor medea

>>46039481
> not even a servant, also fake boobs.

>>46040151
>She is just another evil woman who can/will be saved by the power of love.
I can appreciate the twist that she's aware of this trope and it's a goal she's actively pursuing.

You don't see that a lot.

>>46040151
There's not much saving to be done, though. She's just pursuing the desire she couldn't fulfil in life and even if she gets the D it not won't really change her overall nature, just make her a happier person.

>>46040259
>even if she gets the D it not won't really change her overall nature, just make her a happier person.
She'll probably feel less need to go around murdering people if she has the happy married life she's always wanted.

>>46040316
Not like she does that much anyway. Besides, she'd go right back to murdering if you ever cheated on her.

>>46039437
Proto-Shirou isn't?

>hot feral lancer
>hot meso archer
>hot euro saber

You know they want to stick their lance/arrow/sword inside her.

>>46040431
What does that have to do with that comment chain?

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>>46040151
>She is just another evil woman who can/will be saved by the power of love.
>>46040198

Tamamo only gives herself one in ten odds of ever loving a human, and doesn't believe she can be loved in return. Hakuno was an aberration. In the end she isn't the one who is saved, nor is she able to save anyone. Her parting is a sad affair where she tries to smile but isn't happy at all.
The whole "I'm your waifu! Miko~n!" thing she does is a shtick, it's literal acting.

>>46040491
MISREAD MY (YOU)s.

I just get so many of them. :^)

>>46040413
Technically she'd only castrate you with her bare hands.

But you're not an adulterous scumbag, are you?

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>>46040151
I want to make a tamamo happy with my penis.

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>>46040531
What if my duties as Praetor require me to service my Emperor?

>>46040413
>if you ever cheated on her
And why would you ever want to do that? It's like how Medea would kill you if you pulled a Jason on her, but why the fuck would you want to?

>>46038775
No, nobody contests that Medea is evil.

>>46034819

Stupid sexy Gilgamesh

>>46040500
>The whole "I'm your waifu! Miko~n!" thing she does is a shtick, it's literal acting.
There are people who don't know that Tamamo is only pretending to be a overly affectionate, cutesy new wife/girlfriend character?

>>46040573
The point is that her personality won't become different just because of love. As nice and happy as she may seem to become, her true nature will still remain unchanged, so she can never really turn "Good".

>>46040819
But she'll be Good for my love life.

And that's all that matters.

>>46040819
So? What practical difference does it make? As long as she doesn't kill people, what does it matter that she wouldn't mind killing people?

>>46040585
I'm pretty sure even the gods were of the opinion that Jason brought it all on himself.

>>46040883
Greek hubris doesn't mean Medea isn't evil. Having a reason or a motivation to do evil things doesn't make you good: most evil people have reasons for doing what they did.

>>46040883
It was their fault in the first place for forcing her to fall in love with him and then just leaving her be.

>>46041022
They did spirit her and the bodies of her children away at the end, which is about as close to admitting you fucked up as you're likely to get from them.

>>46040867
The post chain started when one guy said that Tamamo is a villain that gets saved through the power of love and taught the values of love and justice via the MCs D. She doesn't get saved and neither does she learn anything or change in any notable way. She's simply achieving her goal.

>>46041066
Did they? In the version I read she just fucked off by using her magic.

>>46041066
Depends on which version of Medea you are talking about. There are accounts that she does basically the same thing to a string of other Greek heroes, but is much less successful at the fillicide

>>46034819
Gil isn't remotely close to Good. One of the core principles of good is protecting the weak and Gil just wants to kill 'em all. And why? Because he won't even deign to make such weaklings into his servants or slaves.

Nasu's grasp of alignment is somehow worse than /tg/'s.

>>46041152
In my version Helios rode down and picked her up in his chariot.

>>46038270
>because the Grail couldn't distinguish between him and the actual heroic Robin Hood.
There is no "actual Robin Hood" in the Nasuverse. Like how Kojirou was in FSN, Robin Hood was an amalgam of stories about several individuals and the Grail just grabbed one of them.

>>46041262
>Robin Hood was an amalgam of stories about several individuals and the Grail just grabbed one of them.
Small correction: it's more like there were just many outlaws who used the name Robin Hood for notoriety.

>>46041238
Well yeah, Medea was Helios' beloved granddaughter.
It's actually kind of heartwarming insofar as greek god family relations can actually be that.

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>>46040656
>wife/girlfriend
Wife.

Suzuka Gozen is the overly-affectionate, cutesy girlfriend character.

They don't get along.

>>46037477
Look at this nigga. This is the sort of character paladins would be huddled around, sniffing him for evil and then calling their other paladin buddies to sniff him again when they get no evil results. This is the sort of character that returns as "not evil" when paladins use Detect Evil, then gets followed around by said paladins because they think he just have some sort of spell or item that's hiding how evil he really is. He probably has like twenty Paladins watching him all at once, even when he sleeps. He probably goes to sleep at night and wakes up with a paladin lying next to him in bed, glaring at him questioningly from behind his bucket helm while the other 19 paladins lean out from under the bed to glare at him too.

This is the character your GM describes, then gets the "really nigga?" look from the paladin's player when he says "You don't detect any evil".

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No one has posted the best waifu in Fate yet? For shame.

>>46041447
That's not Sehai-kun

>>46040883
They weren't. In myth Medea was always treated as culpable for the actions she committed. Inthe Nasuverse her characterization differs somewhat, as does certain details of the myth, but she is still blamed for a lot of things. You shouldn't make such assumptions about stories you haven't read.

>>46040883
You're dead wrong. The Argo had to take a detour to her aunt's place just so she could appease the gods for the murder of her brother, which she had conceived of and orchestrated. She did have some favor with Helios, but that's only because he was her grandfather.

>>46042846
>They weren't. In myth Medea was always treated as culpable for the actions she committed
Only really the part where she tricked Pelias's daughters into killing him because they thought she could resurrect him. That was a clear foul play.
The whole seeking vengeance on Jason was a murky area where Jason pretty much did break a vow he made to Hera so she was somewhat justified. Jason dies cold, abandoned, and homeless for a reason.

>>46043253
>Only really the part where she tricked Pelias's daughters into killing him
And for her betrayal of her father, and for her role in the murder of her brother.

>>46043253
>homeless
He was still king of Corinth when he died. He wasn't homeless.

>>46040572
Find an ruler with some actual dignity that does not wrestle animals naked like a furry and display her underwear when 'dressed'. Shameless whore.

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>>46033217
>chaotic good

>>46040656
Eh, she starts that way but it becomes real later on. I think there's one speech option in Fate/Extra where you basically confess you love Tamamo and she gets legitimately flustered. It's adorable.

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>>46043512
He's a ruler, and from the looks of it he wrestled lions with his clothes on. Dunno if he's got much dignity in a conventional sense, though.

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>>46043512
I give you the one and only Gaius Julius Caesar.

>>46044254
Why is he wearing napoleonic clothes?

>>46044113
Who?

>>46044254
WHAT!?

>>46044309
>Who?
Caligula.
>WHAT!?
Yeah, that's probably the proper reaction to have.

>>46043512
End thyself.

>>46041230
>Nasu's grasp of alignment is somehow worse than /tg/'s.
Just because it uses the same terminology as the D&D system does not mean it is the D&D system.
This should be obvious from the fact that in addition to the Good<->Evil and Lawfuk<->Chaotic alignments we get things like Chaotic Mad (Heracles), Lawful Mad (Lancelot), Insane Reckless (Elizabeth Bathory (Beserker)), and Chaotic Bride (Nero (Bride))

>>46044254
>ceaser
>fat
God dammit japan.

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>>46044297
Fate character design is weird and nonsensical desu. Like, you could just as easily ask why Gilgamesh is a blonde knight. In fact I am genuinely baffled by it.

>>46044254
He needs to eat some Salads


Some Caesar Salads


I'm making a pun

>>46040572
Where's that one image that lists all of Nero Saber's assets and qualities and the guy just goes "REJECTED"?

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I will free caster tamamo from the throne and make her my wife!

>>46045121
Didn't expect to see you on /tg/.

I SEE A NIPPLE

>>46045121
Didn't we have this conversation the other day about how that wouldn't work?

>>46045179
I'm talking bout caster, y'know the one that cut off her tails..

I want all of you to fuck off to >>>/a/ where you belong.

MODS MODS MODS!

>>46045217
>/a/

>>46045207
I'm pretty sure we decided that removing someone from the Throne would trigger the Counter Force.
Also shame on you for settling for only a fragment of your waifu. I mean if you're going to draw the ire of the Counter Force, you might as well go all the way.

>>46045265
I am going for the original personality which is caster tamamo right?

>>46045254
Or whatever board is about this shit you posting, idk i don't speak autismo.

>>46045283
The original personality doesn't exist in any one of the tails.

>>46045283
The original personality is what you get when you shove all 9 tails together.
I'm getting the strangest feeling of Déjà vu with this conversation.

>>46045286
>idk i don't speak autismo.
I don't know about that, you seemed pretty fluent in >>46045217

>>46045326
We don't know if they embody or they were removed from caster when she cut off her tails.

>>46045326
also tamamo cat refers to caster as 'the original' when you put them in the room together

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I know she's just a seibaface but Nero is still my favorite servant.

I have her nendoroid it's cute

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>>46045533
>Nero is still my favorite servant.

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>>46045570
Her personality just makes her top tier to me. She's the opposite of normal (boring to me) saber and that juts makes Nero more endearing to me.

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>>46045604
I don't think you understand, that was me agreeing with you.
Nero a best.

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>>46045666
I figured. I was just explaining like a fag. But good to see excellent taste.

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Someone ask for more tamamo?

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>>46045775
No, now it is Nero's time.

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>>46045344
>that
>autismo


Did i hit a nerve:

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>>46045775
Best caster is best waifu.

>>46046064
>shit item creation
>shit territory creation
>refuses to make use of that EX-rank witchcraft
She's not the best caster.

>>46043911
You'll have to explain this to me.

>>46046064
more like breast cancer
or just cancer

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>>46046214
>Only Caster to beat a Saber
She really is.
But given that Caster is the worst class, that's not saying much.

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>>46046214
She's best and she happens to be caster.

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>>46046357
>She's best
It's funny how wrong you are.

>>46046353
The ability to beat a Saber isn't a measure of anything other than the ability to beat a Saber.
Though she's not the worst Caster ever, that would be KUUURU.

>>46038047
I want to FUCK male Arturia

>>46046404
>The ability to beat a Saber isn't a measure of anything other than the ability to beat a Saber.
Servants are made to fight in the Holy Grail War. Any Servant who can't win the war is useless. The fact that most Castesr are incapable of defeating the Saber Class due to Magic Resistance means that most Casters are useless, and the few that CAN beat a Saber are innately better than those who can't.

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>>46046392
Nero is patrician tier, but Tamamo is a best. A best!

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>>46046491
Whatever edge you, mistakenly, think Tamamo has over Nero, Nero can simply use Imperial Privilege to overcome it.

>>46046321
Paracelsus reanimated Berserker's master that Assassin killed so she can touch someone without killing them.

>>46046471
Winning the war does not require killing the Servants, it's equally plausible to kill the Masters, and the only class that's better at that than Caster is Assassin.
Furthermore, if there is a Servant that you cannot defeat due to a type disadvantage, it would be a good idea to let another Servant take care of them, preferably one you can beat.

In short, the ability to beat a Saber isn't a measure of anything other than the ability to beat a Saber.

>>46046634
That doesn't really apply to Moon Cell Grail Wars.

>>46046471
You know, a lot of casters in the franchise actually have means to combat enemies with magic resistance. And that's just in case they're in a straight-up fight instead of targeting masters.

>>46046668
Tamamo isn't being compared only against Servants from Moon Cell grail wars.

>>46046404
Gilles is actually quite formidable. His class skills are weak, but his NP is dangerous enough on its own. The fact that he mostly uses summons means it doesn't matter much whether enemies have magic resistance or not, and thanks to his monsters regenerative abilities and the fact that his NP can sustain them indefinitely with its own mana, he's pretty much guaranteed to win any battle of attrition.

>>46046471
>Servants are made to fight in the Holy Grail War.
Not technically true. Servants did exist and could be summoned prior to the HGW (although they weren't codified into classes, that was an invention of the mages who designed the HGW), it's just that summoning or making use of one was prohibitively mana intensive, to the point where few mages could do it, and it those that could normally had better things to do with their mana.

Even with the Grail, Servants are basically a waste of mana. Their unnecessary to the true purpose of the HGW, and basically serve as bait for other mages (hey, weak mageling, don't you wish you had enough magic power to summon a legendary servant? You can! Just risk your life in the HGW. We promise it isn't purposely set up to be unwinnable.*) and as an appropriately wizardly way to kill each other.

>>46046780
>those that could normally had better things to do with their mana
What could they possibly have to do that's better than summoning and binding a being as strong as or stronger than Lorelei Barthomelloi and the Aozaki sisters? That's something ridiculously handy for any Magus who wants to get into a fight.

>>46046780
>Servants did exist and could be summoned prior to the HGW (although they weren't codified into classes, that was an invention of the mages who designed the HGW),
You're not familiar with the new Grand Order lore, are you?

It's still not entirely clear if magi did and could summon Servants before HGWs (unlikely, but it was probably known that it was theoretically possible), but the actual system, along with the main classes, wasn't invented by anyone involved in the Fuyuki ritual. It was copied from a natural system, connected to the Counter Force.

>>46046780
>Their unnecessary to the true purpose of the HGW
The purpose is to first summon servants, then to sacrifice the summoned servants, and finally to use the aggregated mana from the sacrificed servants to power the Greater Grail. Servants are absolutely necessary for this. And the war isn't purposefully set up to be unwinnable. The three families who put together Fuyuki's ritual had intended for there to be a winner who could claim the prize at the end of the line. That nobody ever wins is the result of some poor decisions and some unfortunate circumstances.

>>46046866
>You're not familiar with the new Grand Order lore, are you?
To be fair he wouldn't be the only one.
I haven't read anything other than Tsukihime, F/SN, F/HA, and F/E.
Anything else I know is stuff I've picked up from occasional visits to threads on /a/, /tg/, and Breast's Lair.

>>46046930
>That nobody ever wins is the result of some poor decisions and some unfortunate circumstances.
Well, it's the result of the three families being failures and the third party competitors being set up to be failures.

>>46046865
>What could they possibly have to do that's better than summoning and binding a being as strong as or stronger than Lorelei Barthomelloi and the Aozaki sisters?
Yeah, they could have them for a few hours, or dayss at most, before the summoner was completely drained of mana and have to rebuild there reserves from zero.

iirc, Rin had been storing mana in gems her whole life and burned nearly the entire supply when she summoned Archer. That's a hell of a commitment for something you're not likely to benefit much from.
>That's something ridiculously handy for any Magus who wants to get into a fight.
That's the thing, though. Any mage that isn't featured in a story is basically living a mostly normal life and wouldn't need that kind of firepower.

>>46046866
>You're not familiar with the new Grand Order lore, are you?
Not at all. I'm guessing everything has been changed and everything I know is wrong now.

fuck.

>>46046993
>iirc, Rin had been storing mana in gems her whole life and burned nearly the entire supply when she summoned Archer.
She had 20, of which she used 10. This doesn't include the pendent she later uses to save Shirou, so she actually had 21, so in all she used less than half her supply.
Also it's never established if these are all the Gems she made up to this point in her life or if she used some in the past, though I always assumed she had as her primary concern always seems to be the cost of acquiring new gems rather than the time it takes to enchant them.

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>>46046993
>Not at all. I'm guessing everything has been changed and everything I know is wrong now.

>fuck.

The main thing is that there are these things called "Grand Servants" that might or might not be those seven Counter Guardians that Nasu once mentioned would be needed to control Primate Murder. Except they're not EXACTLY Counter Guardians because the one we've seen seems to have nothing but contempt for that sort of Heroic Spirit.

One of them, King Solomon, is the BBEG of Grand Order. His title is "King of Magecraft," and he literally invented Magecraft and, in doing so, helped contribute to the end of the Age of Gods. Kind of like Gilgamesh, he's rather upset that humans haven't managed to break free from the planet yet, so his response is to pretty much destroy history. He literally summoned himself from the Throne in order to do so, and he likens your boss fight against him and a bunch of his Goetia demons to him taking a bathroom break between reading books.

Datamining suggests that Grand Saber might be Arturia, but we aren't sure yet. We just know "Grand Saber" has Arturia's VA, and we know how much Takeuchi loves her.

>>46044625
Because blonde is gold and his armor is gold.
Is it not appropriate for a king to be clad in gold?

>>46046930
>The purpose is to first summon servants, then to sacrifice the summoned servants, and finally to use the aggregated mana from the sacrificed servants to power the Greater Grail. Servants are absolutely necessary for this.
I may be mistaken, but I really don't think this is the case. The maguses (magi?) put their mana into summoning a servant, and then the servants die and that mana goes into the Grail. It's basically a gladiatorial pyramid scheme, where the magus left alive gets all the mana. You could totally skip the summoning servants step, but then you'd need some other system of determining who gets to live and who gets to die.

>And the war isn't purposefully set up to be unwinnable. The three families who put together Fuyuki's ritual had intended for there to be a winner who could claim the prize at the end of the line. That nobody ever wins is the result of some poor decisions and some unfortunate circumstances.
The war isn't set up to be unwinnable--if you're a member of one of those three families. If your one of the other four mages competing, then the war is heavily rigged against you.

The three families all hide that fact, since they'd have no other participants otherwise.

>>46047144
I think it's explained somewhere that the Holy Grail has some minor Second Magic fuckery that makes it cost less mana to summon a servant than a servant possesses.

>>46047144
>The maguses (magi?) put their mana into summoning a servant, and then the servants die and that mana goes into the Grail. It's basically a gladiatorial pyramid scheme, where the magus left alive gets all the mana.
Not really how it works.
See, the actual purpose of the HGW as I understand it is to gather the souls of all seven of the Servants (Yes, seven. The command seals are intended to be used by the victor to command their own Servant to an hero.) into the Greater Grail so that their souls can all be sent back to the throne at once, thus ripping open a passageway to the Akashic Record. The whole 'wish granting' thing is basically an auxiliary function.

>>46047115
True or not, everything in this post is dumb.

>>46047256
>I think it's explained somewhere that the Holy Grail has some minor Second Magic fuckery that makes it cost less mana to summon a servant than a servant possesses.
I thought it was more that the grail took in enough mana from dead wizards to contribute to the mana expenditure of next wars servants.

>See, the actual purpose of the HGW as I understand it is to gather the souls of all seven of the Servants (Yes, seven. The command seals are intended to be used by the victor to command their own Servant to an hero.) into the Greater Grail so that their souls can all be sent back to the throne at once, thus ripping open a passageway to the Akashic Record. The whole 'wish granting' thing is basically an auxiliary function.
You're right, I forgot that the plan required souls to work. Somehow, I thought that it was only a matter of having enough mana. Your explanation makes sense.

>True or not, everything in this post is dumb.
Holy shit, do I agree.

Like, if all servants are based off the seven "Grand Servants," then how can there possibly be more than the seven types of servants, IE Saver, Avenger, etc?

If King Solomon is upset that humans haven't advanced enough yet, then why has he begun attacking at the most rapid point of technological and societal advancement in human history? Is he pissed we're using electricity instead of bound demons or something?

...actually, if he is pissed that we're not using enough bound demons, then I withdraw my complaint.

>>46047492
>I thought it was more that the grail took in enough mana from dead wizards to contribute to the mana expenditure of next wars servants.
Iirc the Grail siphons and stores power from the Fuyuki leyline for the purpose of aiding the summoning and upkeep of Servants, this is also why the ritual takes 50-odd years to recharge. The 5th war was only 10 years after the 4th because the ritual was incomplete so the Grail still had loads of power left over and finished charging quicker.

And personally, I'm just going to treat the Grand Order lore as alternate universe crap, like Prillya or Melty Blood.

>>46047492
>Like, if all servants are based off the seven "Grand Servants," then how can there possibly be more than the seven types of servants, IE Saver, Avenger, etc?
Who knows. Maybe they were the ones actually invented by the Three Families or the Moon Cell.

>If King Solomon is upset that humans haven't advanced enough yet, then why has he begun attacking at the most rapid point of technological and societal advancement in human history?
His EX Clairvoyance is basically futuresight. Basically, he doesn't forsee us even being capable of reaching it at this point.

Though given that he's Lawful Good (>Nasuverse alignments) and based on something Edmond Dantes, the villain of the KnK collab event, said about Solomon, it's possible that there's more going on here than meets the eye.

There's still three more story chapters in Grand Order, so we'll have to wait and see.

I hope he isn't being manipulated, and isn't just trying to prepare us for some other villain. Both of those possibilities have been suggested on /a/ and /fgog/, and I think both of those are massive cop-outs.

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>>46047578
>And personally, I'm just going to treat the Grand Order lore as alternate universe crap, like Prillya or Melty Blood.
Or Extra. The central conceit of the game is ludicrous even in comparison to F:S/N.

Not that it didn't have its virtues.

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Avengers assembled!

>>46047684
That's a Bloodborne character in Dangan Ronpa artstyle.

>>46047743
Well, it literally is the Danganronpa artist.

>>46041304
Just goes to show how much of a tyrannical dick Zeus is. Even his brothers and sisters are a helluva more considerate, the only ones who can even muster the same amount of shit is Hera for having to put up with his womanizing ass, and Neptune for being a wishy washy bitch.

>Son eats man
>Man defends himself from murderer
>Decides to fuck Odysseus over multiple times cause "not prostrating before him enough"

>>46041152
>The post chain started when one guy said that Tamamo is a villain that gets saved through the power of love and taught the values of love and justice via the MCs D. She doesn't get saved and neither does she learn anything or change in any notable way. She's simply achieving her goal.

Aren't all women like that, though? As long as she's got a strong man to lead her, everything would be fine.

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>>46047684
What's going on in this picture?

>>46047880
But what if Tamamo's husband is a girl?

>>46047992
Servant designs in Grand Order change as you level them up, and the card art changes to reflect it. Those are all the card arts for Edmond Dantes, who's getting added as we speak.

>>46047992
Count of monte cristo going Guyver

>>46048013
Oh, I didn't think the Danaganronpa designer was ACTUALLY doing a design for them.

>>46047115
>yfw Grand Saber is just Saber with all of her Noble Phantasms and an infinite supply of prana to fuel her Prana Bursts and Excaliblasts with

I mean, between Avalon, Excalibur, and Rhongomyniad, she's certainly OP enough to qualify.

Hmm, thinking about it, I wonder if Grand Lancer is going to be Cu Chullain. We know that he's too powerful in his full form to be able to fit all of his powers into the container of any one normal Servant class - his full form's got his magic, his spear, his chariot, and his Super Saiyan mode, and summoned a regular Servant, he only gets one of those things (at least in its full capacity).

>>46048027
this is actually the second one.

He already did Charles-Henri Sanson previously.

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>>46048047
>his full form's got his magic, his spear, his chariot, and his Super Saiyan mode, and summoned a regular Servant, he only gets one of those things (at least in its full capacity).
Unless you summon him in Ireland

>>46048109
>Unless you summon him in Ireland
That just gets him two of the four, though; it's still not his full power.

>>46048047
>Hmm, thinking about it, I wonder if Grand Lancer is going to be Cu Chullain.
If Caster is Solomon and Seiba is Seiba then I'd hypothesize that the Grand Servants are heroic spirits that hastened the end of the Age of Gods.

Also, would he also have Fragarach?

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>>46048141
>That just gets him two of the four, though
Did they ever specify how much of a boost a servant gets when they're summoned in their homeland? I just remember them mentioning they become stronger, and get access to more Noble Phantasms.

>>46045217
Don't you mean >>>/jp/?

>>46048108
Sanson was by Shima Drill. Dantes and Danganronpa were by Komatsuzaki Rui.

>>46048203
They never gave exact numbers, just that it's a "significant boost" and they get a "lesser boost" in an area where their legend is better known.

Arturia would get a "significant boost" in Britain, and a smaller but still existent boost in Europe in general.

It's also mentioned that people like Hercules would get the "significant boost" across all of Europe due to their fame.

>>46048203
If Cu was summoned in Ireland he'd be stronger than Seiba or Bahsahkah in their ideal classes, so there's that.

>>46048203
IIRC it was stated that if he was summoned as a Lancer in Ireland, he'd have his chariot.

>>46048249
>he'd be stronger than Seiba or Bahsahkah in their ideal classes
Is that with them also having the boost from being summoned in a place where they get a boost?
Because I have trouble believing anything could beat Archer Heracles summoned in Greece.

>>46048295
Heracles gets almost full boost pretty much anywhere in Europe, in Ireland Cu still beats him.
Cu is stronk.

Also Ea gg/is their any mythological character that can defeat Karna/etc... means that even Archer Herc in Greece would not be invincible.

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>>46048336
>Heracles gets almost full boost pretty much anywhere in Europe, in Ireland Cu still beats him.
Why is does Nasu spout such bullshit all the time?

>>46048364
It's not bullshit anon, Cu is a very versatile and powerful hero, it's just that the class system doesn't really reward versatility since it only summons Servants with a certain bunch of skills.
With all his NPs and skills, Cu would be an utter monster.

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Tamamo Musou.

>>46048389
>It's not bullshit anon, Cu is a very versatile and powerful hero
I'm not saying he isn't.
I'm just saying Heracles is stronger, and that any claims to the contrary must be one of Nasu's lies, which he has admitted to doing for fun.

>>46048364
He never said that, he said Cu in Ireland beats Heracles in Archer.
Not Heracles in Archer summoned in Europe.

>>46048431
Looking at their feats they seem fairly comparable, both defeated the Death god of their pantheon in single combat for example.
Furthermore, comparing their F/SN stats is misleading as due to his fame Heracles actually gets a pretty good boost everywhere in the world, same with Seiba.

>>46048447
What continent is Ireland located in, anon?

>>46048391
Best jackal

>>46048462
>Looking at their feats they seem fairly comparable, both defeated the Death god of their pantheon in single combat for example.
You'd think that, but strength in the Nasuverese mainly boils down to Age+Fame. This is why Gilgamesh is so strong, because his story is the oldest.
Heracles's story is older and more widely known than Cu's. So while their feats may SEEM similar, Heracles's story happened in an older time period where people were just overall stronger.
Basically Heracles is stronger than Cu for the same reason all servants are stronger than modern day humans, but to a less extreme degree.

>>46048462
Kerry summoned Saber in Germany at the Einzbern Estate then brought her to Japan

You can summon a Servant in their place of power, then bring them to the Grail War.

>>46048559
Illya also summoned Herc in Germany.

>>46048558
Still not sure that reasoning holds up in front of word of god, anon. And 'he lies sometimes so he could be lying about this' is a flimsy argument at best.

>>46048559
They lose the power boost if you take them away from their place of power, otherwise everyone who had a Catalyst for a specific servant would summon in that servant's place of power.
The Einzbern's would've sent Kiritsugu to Britain if summoning them in their place of power is what matters.

>>46048593
>Still not sure that reasoning holds up in front of word of god
The explicit text of the visual novel outweighs word of god, especially when word of god has been know to lie.

>>46048624
>They lose the power boost if you take them away from their place of power,
When does it say that?

Hell, when does it say that people KNOW about the power boost? There certainly seems to be plenty of things even the makers of the War don't seem to know about how it works.

>>46048624
>The explicit text of the visual novel outweighs word of god
Yes it does, so you would win this argument if the visual novel actually mentioned who of the two would be stronger were they to be summoned at full possible power. But it doesn't, so you don't.

>>46048642
>When does it say that?
It doesn't, it was an assumption I made based on the fact that we never see anyone, even people who know what servant they're gonna get, summoning in a place where their servant would get a power boost. The only reason I could think of for this is that the boost vanishes when they leave the area that granted it.
I must admit I never considered that they might not even know about it in the first place.
>>46048648
The explicit text ofd the visual novel says strength of a servant is age+fame, hence why Gilgamesh is the strongest
Heracles is older and more famous than Cu
Heracles is stronger than Cu

>>46036063
It's true. Haruhi is the ultimate chaotic neutral.

>>46048684
>The explicit text ofd the visual novel says strength of a servant is age+fame
The explicit text of the visual novel says that the strength of a servant is influenced by age and fame, if it was just that then Medusa would have been the strongest Servant in the 5th war.

You're going against word of god based on assumptions about an incorrect interpretation of the text of a game that's already had fucktons of it's lore retconned, stop being retarded.

>>46048734
Damn it it's getting increasingly late here and my ability to get my point across is getting worse, so I'm going to try one more time, then I'm headed to bed.
Of course it's not just age+fame, I didn't mean to imply it was.
But let's assume, as you did here >>46048462, that they started out at roughly the same level.
Over time both Heracles and Cu accumulate Age and Fame, increasing their power even after they die.
Heracles has an older and more famous story, so his legend gives him a bigger boost than Cu's does.
I hope this explanation is less shit than the last one, but at this point I'm too tired to type another if it isn't.
Night everyone.

>>46048814
[Base level of power]+[age]+[fame]+[location]

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>>46047684

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Who is best waifu servant?
Tamamo for me!

>>46048015
When Don Quixote?

>>46049130
[Maniacal laughter intensifies]

>>46049174
Would you a Tamamo if she used her shapeshifting powers to go full fox?

>>46050467
I doubt she would be comfortable with it

>>46050611
She would just turn into a big fox

for you

>>46049130
Oh wow, all that attacks, lasers, tps and 3d effects and still couldn't fucking kill just a goddamn skeleton archer ?

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>Why is my adorable Kitsune Neutral Evil?

Well gee I don't know, maybe because she's considered one of the great scourges of Japan and has been attributed with tyranny, genocide and the worst types of excess imaginable?

Tamamo comes across as a sweetie, she's bubbly and adorable to her senpai and it comes across as her being a giggly little girl, but we have to remember here that Tamamo is a Kitsune - no, *the* Kitsune, and while a Kitsune can be many things (from divine messenger to man-eating jerk) the consistent qualities of a Kitsune is they're consummate tricksters with a knack for social manipulation. It's an act, everything Tamamo does is an act, the closest you get to seeing her true personality is in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBDTYCDdKvg

As for how she can be Neutral Evil, realize that Neutral Evil means you're willing to perform great evils if it means getting what you want, and in this case what Tamamo wants is senpai to notice her. Whether this means ruining the reputation of a rival or slaughtering an orphanage, if it results in senpai's safety, happiness and attention, she's willing to do it.

>>46051752
>man-eating
Kitsune never did that. Man-eating is strictly a Kumiho thing.

>>46048336
To be fair, Karna (and Arjuna) sit in the level of power that edges on "fuck you". Sure, somebody like Gilgamesh or Enkidu will sit above them, technically, but they're not invincible, and nor is Herc.

Even Achilles arguably sits in the same tier although he'd be without a major advantage against those with Divinity, for obvious reasons, which is part of what makes him one of the "fuck you" Servants.

It's the "my bullshit beats your bullshit" level, in other words.

>>46051908

Sorry about that, I was going off how Tamamo encompasses every fox-woman in legend, not Kitsune in general.

They're still assholes, just not man-eating assholes (man-eaters, maybe? Wouldn't be hard for a Kitsune to wrap a man's genitals around her finger if it gets her what she wants.)

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>>46046064
>Best caster is best waifu.

Well that much is true.

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>>46053651
>best caster
>can't even beat modern magi

>>46046214
Item Creation is pretty hit or miss in general.
Territory Creation is powerful even at shit ranks.
Witchcraft is admittedly a bad skill to refuse to use.

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>>46053651
Medea a best

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>>46053651
>>46053846
Difficult to argue with.

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>all these people not recognizing the true best waifu

>>46053846
>>46053881

>>46053719

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>>46053881

>>46038775
>>46053651
>>46053846
>>46053881
>>46053994
Medea a best.

>>46054175

>>46053719

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>>46054254
Best girl, anon. Medea is best girl.
You can squabble about her Caster ranking all you want, she is still best girl.

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>>46054351
How can she be best girl in a franchise where Nero exists?

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>>46053920
Not even best rider.

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>>46054414
Not even the best Saber.

>>46054414
Because of what I said here. >>46043512

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>>46054414
Because Nero is a slut
Also Lily a best too

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>>46043512

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>>46054538
A terrible frenchwoman.

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>>46054507
1v1 me faggot

>>46054511
You're just jelous you're Emperor isn't as hot or talented as mine, stay mad

>>46054515
>Because Nero is a slut
So? Medea spread her legs for the first person who showed her the slightest bit of kindness, she isn't much better.

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>>46054538
That was a good day.

>The first NP is a passive NP called Monte Christo Mythology: King of the Cavern and represents him being the most famous avenger in the world. It's basically the reason why he looks like that and has that weird black stuff. It buffs him and can hide and alter his stat page as he wants to fool other people.

>The second one is Enfel Chateau D'If, that is basically a representation of how his experience in the prision basically made him a super-human with ultra-high-speed thinking processes, that added with his superhuman body can attack so fast that is like a time stop.

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>>46054619
The maiden of victory!

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>>46054494
Not is Iskandar. True best Rider owns a petting zoo.

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>>46038997
Well post better then, I got that one here...

>>46039162
>Literally all of the Servants get on fine with Shirou in a peacetime environment
Yes, like best girl!

>>46048003
>But what if Tamamo's husband is a girl?
PUREST LOVE!!!

>>46053920
>>all these people not recognizing the true best waifu
YES!!!

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>>46054809
Motherfucking Ozzmaster.

>>46054919
Die in a fire.