Advanced Fortress Building

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You could build fortresses that are virtually indestructible

>>45982493
As always, the answers are
>Metallurgy
>Mass Production
>Transportation

The medieval world could never produce steel rebar in any significant quantity.

They wouldn't be able to create concrete in large-enough quantity to build castles with it.

And they can't get the raw materials for concrete to construction sites or transport large numbers of steel rebar to construction sites even if they can make them.

>>45983558
If a bunch of cat worshiping turbo nerds in Egypt could get those pyramids built, you bet your ass a late medieval fantasty setting could whip enough slave to get them some concrete and rebar.

>>45983558
>And they can't get the raw materials for concrete to construction sites or transport large numbers of steel rebar to construction sites even if they can make them.
WHAT.
No, anon. No.
>>45983469
>tfw they can't demolish those because even trying to blow them up from the inside won't work

>>45983940
Say what you will about the nazis, their engineers made some good shit

>>45986628
>Say what you will about the nazis, their engineers made some good shit
Yep. Operation Paperclip was definetely one of the better ideas the US Government had.

>>45987038
Amazing when you think how much of our society these days must be built off of research the Nazis sponsored or inspired on any side of the war.

>>45986628
V2 rockets were a fucking disaster as well as a money sink. Way more expensive than V1s, way less dangerous and not remotely as cost effective as building the tanks or planes they desperately needed.

>>45987179
>>45987179
That's what proper scientific funding and obversight can do. Of course, when it goes wrong >>45987304 it goes really wrong.

>>45982493
Making that much rebar would require industrial-level steel production.

Assuming this is a fantasy setting and those problems are taken care of, castles and fortresses could be nigh-indestructible, with walls likely higher than a wooden siege tower could reach. Seiges would always be long, and only end when one side runs out of food.

So not the biggest change. The other impacts of cheap steel would likely change more.

>>45987304 >>45987332
They still were better than the V3's, how hitler thought that giant cannons would work better than his attempts with rockets i will never understand.

>>45987413
>how hitler thought that giant cannons would work better than his attempts with rockets i will never understand.
They could be in theory, but we're only now getting railguns remotely onto that level. That being said, there is way too much time spent wanking shitty tanks and VTOL hybrid bullshit.

We need more money for fusion, railguns and lasers. The tech is at least two decades behind what could be.

>>45982493

It's fine, but remember that due to corrosion that rebar buildings won't last as long as old-style concrete.

Also remember that better math, physics, and engineering knowledge do more to help make structures stronger than just a materials breakthrough. Part of why Roman structures lasted so long is that they were ridiculously over-engineered. That wasn't a design decision; it was just that they couldn't analyze the structure mathematically and so had to design in a huge safety margin.

>>45987413
It's a common mistake. The 'bigger is better' fallacy. Not realizing that more efficient redundant distributions of firepower (IE: a lot of smaller cannons) can do a lot more damage than a single big cannon. That a large number of main battle tanks is far more efficient and practical than trying to deploy a 'land battleship'. That a dozen fast-moving destroyers or submarines are far more powerful than lumbering battleships and aircraft carriers.

But, time and again, idiots will be impressed with size over effectiveness and dump money into doomed projects to create bigger weapons instead of better ones.

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>>45987413
V3s are alright, come on.

>>45989281
>It's fine, but remember that due to corrosion that rebar buildings won't last as long as old-style concrete.

The romans used iron "pegs" to make stone foundations more stable and knew to dip the iron parts in molten lead to rust-proof them before putting them into place.

It would be a pretty foolproof way of corrosion-proofing medieval rebar (and giving fucktons of stone masons lead poisioning, but hey)

>>45991092
>and aircraft carriers
mmmm, dunno about that. They're pretty much the kings of surface warfare since their introduction. Lots of vulnerabilities but you never send a capital ship anywhere without the proper escort but it more than makes up for it with the fixed wing and rotary complement. More munitions launchable from stand-off range than any modest fleet could hope to intercept, the ASW functions of various aircraft, and almost the most important of all: the ability to launch and link beyond-the-horizon radar and sensor capabilities through various aircraft but especially AWACS.

>>45991258
Maybe, but what makes them powerful is that they're basically glorified cargo ships carrying a large number of smaller, more efficient weapon delivery systems.

>>45991092
Fuck you, bigger may not be better, but is cooler.
It's people like you that suck the fun of things. Booh booh booh, marines on ekranoplanes rushing through the pacific is a stupid concept let's concentrate on building drones to bomb silly goatfuckers.
Fuck that.

>>45991341
Yeah? I don't hear an argument about them being bad because of that.

>>45982493
>How would the introduction of Rebar concrete change a given late medieval fantasy setting?

Rebar concrete would be crazy good in castle building, but wouldn't really change much because most castles fell to treachery, starvation or negotiations than to being destroyed.

It doesn't matter if you're holed up in an indestructible castle when the thing you're worried about is some asshole opening the door or running out of flour.

If you fastforward a bit to the era of star forts, warships with cannon and cannon battery sieges though, it would change everything.
You could shrug off infinite cannonballs which would make defensive position incredibly strong.


It would make for much better bridge building which would improve transportation though.

>>45991351
I'm sorry, let's organize out entire military so massive units of troops stick together in symetrical blocks and move at a snail's pace oerland. No, retard. That's not how an efficient and effective military works. Deploying small squads of highly trained specialists (marines) in multiple locations to converge on an objective is how you win battles, and wars. You don't fight wars 'to look cool'. You fight them to win.

>>45983558
I could see them using it, maybe not for everyday use, not even for all of their military fortresses, but maybe like one or two fortresses, that are renowned for being indestructible.
Even then it would be a massive undertaking. Either they are guarding absolutely vital strategic points, or they were lucky enough to be in an area that had all the supplies they needed.
It would be seen as a huge innovation, but one that would be very rarely reproduced. And there would definitely be bureaucrats bitching about the astronomical costs of the fortress.

>>45991092
I need this post to open up every time I start building a tier 3 cannon in Supreme Commander.

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>>45991092
The French army in 1914 found out the hard way that's not always true.

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>>45991474
>marines
>highly trained

>>45991818
Aren't Marines where you put people too dumb for the regular army?

>>45991896
Meathead containment branch. You put them on some boats and they can't do much harm.

To put it simply, once a society gets their shit together enough to start discovering things like how to make good concrete and steel rebar, how to produce it regularly and in sufficient quantities, how to organize transport for it, how to manage large projects with it...

Well, that's a society that has its shit together enough that it's not going to stay medieval for long. It's probably got its shit together in other ways, too - why stop at concrete? The first printing press wasn't all that complicated, neither was a lot of the early industrial tools. You can go from medieval to renaissance in a generation if you've got the right social/political situation to enable it, and the tech starts rolling in shortly after that.

It's the problem all fantasy settings have that knights, swords and feudal monarchy are all cool setting elements but they're a very transitory state so your setting has to either stay frozen in development or awkwardly marry these low-tech solutions to actual technology.

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>>45991554
Or the Spanish in 1588

>>45987413
A shame the Nazis never finished the development of some of the more advanced designs of their rocket programme

>A9 kamikaze ICBM
>two-stage rocket boosts the missile to a top speed speed of 1.2 km/s, it reaches an apogee of 400 km, and the brave Volksraumfahrer pilot guides the payload as it descends towards the target in Amerika

Give The Theodosian walls Rebar and Concrete.

>>45982493
Mortarless stone construction is pretty much the ultimate form of construction for durability. Modern technology doesn't usually make things better so much as make them easier, faster and cheaper. It's pointless to theorize about backporting modern technologies without utilizing the new things those technologies made possible.

But what the fuck, let's do this. The single best use of concrete in a medieval setting is modern roads. Not only will it be better for marching, horses, and carts than dirt, gravel, cobblestones, or thousand year old Roman stone roads, it will also provide the infrastructure necessary to make the development of self-propelling vehicles profitable.

>>45983469
kind of ironic a big ass concrete fortress has a flimsy little fence around it?

>>45991092
MBTs are the modern land battleships. They're ridiculously easy to disable with far inferior weaponry, and exist primarily to fight other MBTs. The only reason they exist is because they're flashy and we don't really have any reason to develop something more effective.

I mean, really. What are you going to be firing a 120mm sabot round at that you wouldn't be better off firing three 30mm API rounds at?

>>45993950
>Fielding a bunch of shitty little tanks with shitty little bitch guns
I'll go ask a WWII Sherman crew how that will turn out. Oh wait, they're all dead because they got murdered by German tanks that they couldn't even scratch.

>>45986628
Actually the only good equipment the Nazis made was the MG42 and Panzershriek/faust. Everything else was either equal or inferior to Allied equipment, and in most cases had serious manufacturing flaws that wasted valuable war material because they insisted on grinding all the welds flat on a tank or whatever.

>>45993950
>I mean, really. What are you going to be firing a 120mm sabot round at that you wouldn't be better off firing three 30mm API rounds at?

Keep in mind that those guns can also fire different types of ammo. So the difference is about 40-50lbs of TNT.

>>45994552
>adurrrdurrrdurr tiger never penetrated frontally in combat

Go away Belton Cooper.

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>>45993950
>What are you going to be firing a 120mm sabot round at that you wouldn't be better off firing three 30mm API rounds at?
You don't use the Sabot most of the time but that's why there's dozens of ammunition types; entrenched positions, hardened structures, other armored vehicles, any group of infantry that are in cover, lots of stuff to shoot at with HE. Hell, the US even makes a big modernized canister shot for their tanks that's absolutely brutal for urban infantry support and breaching.

There's a shitload of utility in having what amounts to an artillery piece that can motor around at 60 miles per hour and destroy pretty much anything it encounters and survive just about anything it encounters as well. The value of having a vehicle to support your infantry that can reliably not die is fucking amazing. Especially when you have a bunch of them.

>>45991947
I live 10 minutes from Parris Island and can confirm.

>>45994552
>I'll go ask a WWII Sherman crew how that will turn out.
Pretty damn well if historical accounts are any indication. The Americans only encountered two to three tigers on the western front, most of them were encountered by the British who took out the tigers with sherman fireflies and fucking infantry tanks - when they didn't just artillery the shits because tigers broke down constantly and sherman crews could just drive nearby and radio back artillery adjustments with ease.

Not to mention that the most-produced Sherman, the Easy Eight, had comparable or superior armor characteristics to the german heavies. So you're pretty much speaking out of your asshole and should go back to fellating your world of tanks game.

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>>45993950
>pentagon asks congress for funding, but stresses that they do not need tanks at all.
>congress approves increased tank funding
>won't need 'em when we finish the Yooge Wall of Murika.

>>45991092
Aircraft carriers are mobile air bases, they are for force projection not assaulting a singular position with a single vehicle.
What are you on about?

>>45994996
To be fair there is some merit to what Congress believes, that if they don't keep the skilled engineers and manufacturers employed they'll fucking disappear into the private sector and when you need another tank built better they'll tell you to fuck off they're better paid designing cars and hydroelectric turbines.

However they overfunded the shit out of it because muh political district and we're in the situation where we use fully operational tanks as literal base decorations. Line them up, make them look pretty for whenever an officer walks through and send someone to start them up a couple times a week to make sure they still work or to take them to the shop while you replace it with another decoration tank.

Will say the Army did do a pretty good move with the latest order they had forced down their throats, modified the design so that the factory will have to get new machinery, production will be a little slower, and its the closest it'll be to a new tank design without changing enough that it'd have to go through procurement procedures.

>>45993528
Not really, the fence just keeps hooligans away.
Do note the graffiti near the bottom.

>>45994552
>GAU-8 Avenger can't take down any tank on the planet
Fucking kek.
>But anon, the Avenger is so fucking monstrous that any vehicle you build around it is going to end up being a battleship
Because design constraints. It's built to hold over a thousand rounds and dump its entire payload in 15 seconds. An M1 only holds like 50 rounds, and even that is pretty excessive. Let's say enough ammo to kill 20 tanks is plenty. We'll fire three round bursts so we can guarantee a hit on a tank from a mile out, so that's 60 rounds of 30x173, each being a tenth of the size of a 120mm shell. An Abrams tank fires 8 rounds per minute. Dialing back from the
GAU-8's 4000 RPM means a single barrel is probably reasonable. Then, you don't need the loading system to fire 4000 RPM, and you won't be flying at hundreds of miles per hour while shooting so you can eject casings externally so you don't need a drum to catch them.

It's totally possible to build a weapons platform every bit as effective as an MBT in a far smaller package. Then you can use all of your armor as APCs instead of relying on unarmored HMMVs.

>>45994666
>>45994771
If you need that much ordnance, it's time to call in an air/artillery strike.

>>45991474
US Marines are compared to any other countries dedicated infantry, the only difference is an amazingly strong esprit de corps which is one of the most apparent force multipliers.

>>45991341

Funny, it's like shipping a rack of 50 tiny missile delivery systems is more effective than 5 destroyer sized missile delivery systems.

>durr bigger is always bad
>muh tiny little bitch toys are more efficient
Shock and Awe plays a part too, you fucking autists.

A bunch of advanced and powerful little ships may be more effective than a giant fuck-off capitol ship, but the latter is going to make more foreign heads-of-state and foreign citizens wet their pants.

>>45995224
>If you need that much ordnance, its time to call in an air/artillery strike
They did, its the tank. Its an especially mobile piece of artillery that can also screen the infantry. Are you really bad at combined armed tactics or something?

Also the GAU-8 is shit against tanks. It literally hasn't been role-effective for decades without the integration of missiles and probably was never enough to deal even with the tanks of the time it was built for without extenuating circumstances (the shots would have had to bounce at an unlikely angle to strike UNDERNEATH the tank). Its an old plane that doesn't do its job any more effectively and is less survivable than fast movers.

Please fucking stop, your a fucking embarrassment trying to sound like you know anything.

>>45995183
But anon, building more already-designed M1A3s doesn't put any engineers to work.

>>45995598
But it keeps them around on payroll and they try and look busy whenever someone asks and keeps the individually held patents/trade secrets accessible.

>>45991092
The weakness of carrier battlegroups to submarines has been greatly exaggerated due to controlled-condition wargames, and peacetime "ambushes" that are more media coups than anything substantial.

In reality, the Pacific Ocean once an actual war starts and everyone loses their satellite coverage (the first thing to go in a war between developed nations) is basically central park at midnight. Once the lights are out, actually finding a mobile enemy--even one as large and obvious as a Carrier Battlegroup--is a herculean test of naval intelligence. Statistically you could have the entire Chinese sub fleet searching on a grid pattern for months and they'd probably never find you.

This stuff where super stealthy Swedish submarines can sneak up on aircraft carriers looks good in the papers, but in practice, you have to actually find the carrier first, and that's a lot harder than it sounds once an actual war starts. The age of the big ships is not yet over.

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>>45994996
>not owning stock in defense companies.

it's like you don't even know how this works

>>45992079
Well presumably most games take place only over the course of no more than a few years, so in this situation you could have it set in that transitory period a few years after a clever mason found out that putting steel rods in this lime, straw, and stone mixture multiplies it's strength, but before people have found weapons to counter it

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>>45995584
The problems of the A10 are caused by the physics of strafing runs. You're flying at 200,000 mm/s, shooting at things moving at 20,000 mm/s, with a round that's 30mm wide fired from a hard mounted weapon.. The problem isn't not being able to penetrate, it's in the odds of hitting a critical location when you're unlikely to hit at all more than once per pass.

But hey, if you want to guarantee multiple penetrations on an MBT from miles away, we can do that, too. This guy just needs an updated powerplant and some DU penetrators and he's ready to kill all the no tanks we're ever going to fight. I mean, it's been a decade and a half of constant war since the last time we came up against an MBT. We should be optimizing our forces for slaughtering dirt farmers, not for fighting our equals.

>>45987477
>implying oil corporations will ever allow the goyim to stop giving them shekels
if we didn't have them murdering everyone who attempted fusion tech, we'd have it by now

>>45996305
>We should be optimizing our forces for slaughtering dirt farmers, not for fighting our equals
Then you're a short-sighted idiot who deserves to lose the extremely favourable global position the US enjoys largely because they have a conventional force monopoly and are the designated world police who run maintain international waters and thus have a direct hand in trillions of dollars of trade.

>>45982493
Concerning fortress building /tg/, what do you think of elven fortifications being defined by earthen walls topped by grown vegetal towers whose roots reinforce the earthen walls?

>>45987179
A particular ethical dillema appeared some years ago.

One or some widely used anatomy manuals for medicine were discovered to use data from nazi experimentation on prisioners. This was precisely what made those manuals so accurate.

I think it was an article on a Scientific American magazine.

>>45987413
Hitler didn't even try to consider the technical aspects of military hardware
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjE6zfEVNL4

>>45989281
>>45991220
>Part of why Roman structures lasted so long is that they were ridiculously over-engineered.
Please, could you provide a source? Romans are a big influence in my dorfs, and I like when one matches another.

>>45987477
Or maybe we could stop putting such a huge amount of our science and engineering efforts into new and exciting methods of killing each other for at least a couple years.

>>45991896
I thought the military in general is where you dump people too dumb to function?

>>45996778
Or we could just not continually poke at the Russians and Chinese thinking they'll never have a military that can challenge us and will just forget how much we casually shit all over their national pride on a daily basis.

Lol, what am I saying? Murrika stronk and is the greatest country the world ever has and ever will see. I know because it says so in the Bible. Vote Trump because he will double the defense budget and put those slav shits in their place.

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>>45997870

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>>45997870
>I want to give up all of my advantages because of their feelings
How's it feel to be retarded?

>>45997727
We're practicing on ourselves for when the ayys finally poke their shit-eating faces out. It's a lot easier to justify military development, research, and preparedness when you're actively killing mudskins.

>>45997870
Why care? They'll never have a military that can challenge us because we're constantly sharpening the bleeding edge of military technology.
It'd honestly be GOOD if China or Russia got the balls and challenged us to a little spat, because then we'd get a chance to test out all our cool toys on someone a bit more challenging than goat fucking dirt farmers.

>>45997761

Edgy.

>>45997870
>Murrika stronk and is the greatest country the world ever has and ever will see
>implying it's not

I propose an amendment to the 1st amendment, the 1-and-a-halfth amendment; people can say whatever they want so long as it isn't fucking retarded.

>>45998177
But anon, that would make your comment illegal!

>>45998233
Ex post facto isn't lawful, anon :^)

>>45998285
But who decides what is and is not retarded

>>45998317

Donald Trump and /tg/.

>>45998317
Expert opinions (me and people who agree with me)

>>45996305
>We should be optimizing our forces for slaughtering dirt farmers, not for fighting our equals.

I feel like you're right, but we shouldn't necessarily eliminate our conventional forces- they exist as a deterrent. What we DON'T need is 8 million dollar top of the line jets to fight non-existent enemy air supremacy. At the very least, not in the number's we're buying and not-getting.

We definitely need to revamp our ground forces to contend with guerilla warfare, we've been getting our shit kicked in by the same strategies since the 70s

>>45997870
>>45997870
>Vote Trump because he will double the defense budget and put those slav shits in their place.

Calm down, Reddit. Trump is the only candidate who doesn't want to get into a pissing contest with Russia.

Not everyone can be as violent as Killary and Coalbernie.

>>45998426
>getting our shit kicked in by the same strategies since the 70's
Person who has no idea what they're talking about detected. You do realize that the US has something like a 20,000 to 1 kill ratio in the middle east right?

The only thing about it that doesn't work is the home front, the military totally could solve the problem, if we weren't so concerned about not killing everyone.

>>45997945
This is ``ironic shitposting", just like the shitpost it's replying to.

>>45998104
This is an argument in favor of slavery.

>>45998118
This is an argument in favor of global thermonuclear war.

>>45998177
This is a paradox.

>>45998577
>this is what liberals actually think

>>45998577
>This is an argument in favor of global thermonuclear war.
>implying Reagan wasn't successful
C A S A B A - H O W I T Z E R

>>45998540
>20,000 to 1 kill ratio in the middle east right?

We were also kicking the shit out of the Vietnamese.

It doesn't change the fact we lost the war.

>>45998540
>if we weren't so concerned about not killing everyone.
Honestly I agree with you there, these conflicts are so fucking ancient and half tribal hangover leftover from the mongols, part leftover butthurt from the crusades, and part butthurt left over from America and the West's atrocious foreign policy relating to the middle east post WW1 up till the present

At some point I feel like this shit is intractible. There's no real decent, humane way out of it. Either we pull out entirely and ignore it (which the recent migrant crisis has proven is impossible, and thats discounting OIL), or we just fucking kill everyone, kill everyone who complains about us killing everyone, and depopulate the world by a third thus reducing a great deal of our consumption and pollution issues assuming a thermonuclear exchange doesn't happen.

>>45983644

>slaves

Dude, the Egyptians used 'slave' castes as mercenaries to fight.

Their monuments, like the pyramids were gigantic fuck-parties, which is how they were accomplished.

Who the hell needs slaves when the king just brings down all the beer he can produce and goes "FREE FOOD FOR LABORERS! ALL THE YOUNG WOMEN HAVE TO DO IS SERVE BEER TO THE YOUNG MEN. ALL THE YOUNG MEN HAVE TO DO IS HAUL ROCKS. FUCK ALL YOU WANT! FIND A HUSBAND OR WIFE! THIS IS AWESOME! SPRING BREAAAAAK!!!!!!"

>>45998631
>It doesn't change the fact we lost the war.
It was never a war in the first place, and we resoundingly one.

We just never went back after Charlie reneged on his deal and invaded Svietnam

>>45998540
We're 20,000 times more effective life for life, they're 20,000 times more effective dollar for dollar. Lives aren't actually a particularly valuable resource. Case in point: both world wars.

>>45997347
Not the same anon but civil engineer here
You need calculus to calculate displacement of system.
You basically integrate the momentum in the beam twice and divide it by EI
You need a bit more advanced iterative process to do so for non-static solvable system.

Calculus was discovered by Newton kinda really far into the future from ancient Rome.

Old civil engineering was basically tradition, trial and error + intuition. Nowdays we try to make it as cheap as possible.

Not long lasting, not looking good, not durable. Cheap.
Look at us wooden houses - or any market hall.


One of reasons why modern buildings look so dull compared to older ones - especially in Europe.

>>45998631
>or we just fucking kill everyone, kill everyone who complains about us killing everyone, and depopulate the world by a third thus reducing a great deal of our consumption and pollution issues assuming a thermonuclear exchange doesn't happen.
This isn't a half bad idea, to be honest.

Do you honestly think the Yuros would do more than send us a strongly worded letter for glassing that fucking desert? Putin would probably shake the hand of and share a beer with the president who finally does it.

>>45998667
>It was never a war in the first place
You're confusing Vietnam with Korea.

>>45998649
I was going to point out that Pyramids and other constructions were publics works projects that kept the people employed during the non-planting/harvesting months, but this covers it too I guess.

>>45998614
>implying Reagan was anything other than a corporate puppet.

>>45998715
The last "war" America was a part of was WW2; Vietnam was just a "military intervention".

>>45998672
Neither is money when you're 1/4th of the entire world's cash, and that entire military force is 3.5% of that per year.

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>>45998739
>doubting the great one

>>45998760
No I think Congress officially voted on the Afghanistan War, didn't it?

>>45998704
>unironically advocating genocide
Are you real?

>>45998760
The Iraq war was an actual war it just ended in disaster because our reconstruction and exit strategy was handled like a last minute college essay

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>>45998577
>This is an argument in favor of slavery.

Wew lad.

>>45998793
It's not genocide if they started it, especially since we'd only be targeting that fucking blood-soaked desert.
In case you've forgotten, there's plenty of mudskins living in America and Europe, their racial existence is all but assured if the "civilized" ones can get their act together.

>>45998704
As a European...

Eu would send you a note that sets a date for their meeting about setting date about meeting about setting the date about [..] the issue.
Then they would set a special commission for this case, with every country getting a 'comand center' (look at galileo - it happened) hiring thousands of civil clerks.

And then new issue would happen.

God I Bloody hate this leftist. beaurocratic hell

>>45998793

They've had every chance we could give them and their culture has proven incompatible with ours.

>>45998792
>>45998794

Nope, WW2 was the last official America declaration of war. Everything since has just been congress letting the president do his thing.

>>45998830
Takes German government 10 years to approve anything to help its own citizens.
Takes 2 minutes to decide to use our entire surplus on rapefugees.

>>45998846
Meanwhile, Obama's executive order's are 'over-reaching'

>>45998830
Where are you from Yuroanon?
Come to America, we have burgers, freedom, and income taxes under 50%.

>>45998824
I honestly don't even know where to start here, but something tells me I'm just not going to get through to you.
I don't hate you, it's more like pity. I can't imagine walking around with a worldview this brutally ignorant.

>>45998792
Both Gulf Wars. They were very quick conventional wars because the US is fucking ridiculous and literally won them within weeks/days. The decade after the second gulf war was just occupation because we were trying to prevent the destabilization of the region that would happen as soon as we pulled out. The actual war was over in 2003.

Then we got tired and stopped caring and pulled out because we lost 10,000ish guys over the entire decade. Then the region went to shit and people are going 'man what the hell happened.'

Voters ruins everything.

>>45998877
Because can quite literally be construed as unconstitutional.

Military action or intervention without an express declaration of war is not unconstitutional, for better or for worse.

>>45998891
>dae you're just ignorant
The only bad consequence that would arise from glassing that desert is that we'd have to rebuild all the oil refineries.

>>45998883

Also guns.

>>45997727
>Or maybe we could stop putting such a huge amount of our science and engineering efforts into new and exciting methods of killing each other for at least a couple years.
Wish that were possible.

>>45998317
MEEEEEEE

>>45998944
What exactly is it you value about human life?

>>45998944
Psh, we don't even need to waste bombs considering the entire middle east is being emptied out into Europe.
Just wait a few years.

>>45998891

You're right, feels are pretty useless against realists. You'll just have to cry into your scarf that the mean conservatives are just refusing to die out already and let Muslims replace us so that we can finally become beautiful victims, the highest caste in the left's hierarchy.

>>45998719
IIRC they were the equivalent of taxes at the time

>>45997727

This is the pussiest thing I have ever read. Also unrealistic because war tends to be THE biggest forward push for medical technology in every generation.

>>45999051
I don't value human life, I value civilized human life or human life that is likely able to be civilized.
The ME meets neither of those requirements.

>>45999038
I DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE YOU AS LEGITIMATE

>>45995224
>GAU-8 can take down anything more modern than a T-54
[LAUGHING]
They needed side shots on T-62s. On the stock ones, without ERA. The GAU-8 is fucking obsolete as an AT weapon.

>>45999105
I ARBITRATE THAT YOU ARE RETARDED, POSSIBLY TO A SEVERE LEVEL

>>45999119
AND I JUDGE YOU AS RETARDED FOR DOING SO YOU ABSOLUTE MAN

>>45999068
Do you really think that's what we're like or are you just trying really hard to not understand?

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How do modern progressives even play TTRPGs?

"Oh, Bob, we can't kill those gnolls and burn their village, that's colonization."

"If we educate orcs on Affirmative Consent, they'll stop raping elvish women."

"#DrowLivesMatter it's not their fault they're violent demon-worshippers, they were driven to it by the stress of being forced underground."

Seriously, how? Are all of their campaigns anti-human ones?

>>45999148
AHA, BUT I DECLARE THAT I AM NOT RETARDED! IN FACT, I AM SO UNRETARDED THAT I LOOP BACK THROUGH INTO RETARDATION, AND THEN RIGHT OUT AGAIN!

>>45999101
I ALSO JUDGE THAT THIS GUY IS PRETTY RETARDED

>>45999098
See, that's the part I don't get. You clearly want people to not die, because you like medical developments, yet you have no qualms at all with the continuation of endless wars?

>>45999101
Alright, let's go deeper. What is it about "civilized" human life you value?

>>45999149

When the shoe stops fitting, I'll stop saying it's yours. That "anyone who disagrees with me is just unenlightened" logic goes well with your nu-male persona and cucked style of argument, too.

>>45999176
From what I've seen at my uni, the players are all asked by the DM to write all theirs triggers and pronouns on a note card before the game so he can go over it and edit the game to not offend.

Also a dice throwing machine so his limp wrists don't explode from throwing those heavy dice.

>>45999183
AND AS THE SUPREME JUDGE OF WHAT IS AND IS RETARDED I HAVE JUDGED I AM NOT, HAVE NEVER BEEN, NOR WILL BE RETARDED.

>>45999236
>cucked
Ah, thanks for letting me know you're not worth talking to right away. Saved me some time.

>>45999200

It makes sense when you realize that not all human lives are worth the same amount. Better medical technology for us and Ackbars getting glassed seems like a win-win from where I'm sitting.

>>45999176
YOU'RE ALSO PRETTY RETARDED.

>>45999220
I THINK YOU'VE CAUGHT RETARD, TERRIBLY SORRY! SWAP YOUR REGULAR SCISSORS FOR SAFETY ONES!

>>45999261
ARE TOO!

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>>45999239

Holy shit, please be joking.

>>45998846
>Everything since has just been congress letting the president do his thing.
At this point, Congress's rubber stamp isn't even necessary. The President could declare war on Canada and no one would complain about the legality of it, just the wisdom of it.

>>45999301
OF COURSE HE'S JOKING YOU RETARD. SWEET MENTALLY HANDICAPPED JESUS, THEY'RE OUT IN FORCE TODAY

>>45999275
Gee anon, lugging that white man's burden around all day must be tiring.

>>45999286
ARE NOT. YOU ARE ARBITRARLY RETARDED.

>>45999301
He says the dice machine gives him better rolling results, but I know the real reason.

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>>45999262

Fleeing at the first sign of hostility is a pretty stereotypical leftist thing to do, so I'm not surprised. Have fun prepping the bull.

>>45999341
>liberal saying someone else has a case of White Man's Burden
pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot

>>45999343
YOU'RE SUPREMELY RETARDED. YOU'RE SO RETARDED THAT THE KIDS AT THE SPECIAL SCHOOL FEEL BOTH PITY AND HORROR FOR YOUR EXISTENCE

>>45999333

I wasn't joking namefag.

>>45999301

I wish.

>>45999220
>Alright, let's go deeper. What is it about "civilized" human life you value?
Civilized human life allows for the creation of art and beauty, it allows for men to surpass what they could do naturally, and it allows for knowledge to be more easily attained and understood.

>>45999393
WELL, AT LEAST YOU ADMIT YOU'RE A RETARD. UNLIKE THAT SUPREME JUDGE FUCKER

>>45999341

I think you're misremembering Kipling there, chum, but it's understandable because it was likely a buzzword for how nasty and evil us paleskins are in your college classes. White Man's Burden was to civilize and Angloize the browns of the world, so that delicious brown Christian waifus could exist and everything would be great. In this case, we have enough of them to fetishize in our countries already, and we should just nuke the hive because the ones in the desert regard civilization with as much disdain as they do age-of-consent laws.

>>45999387
YOU ARE SO RETARDED YOU STARTED AN ORGINIZATION JUST TO DECIDE WHAT IS AND IS MOT RETARDED EVEN THOUGH NOTHING WILL COME OF IT.

>>45999341
>implying the white man's burden is bad
The sub-human mudskins that can get learned will get learned and get to enjoy civilization with us; the rest get killed.
It's a win-win.

>>45999239
>dice throwing machine
Post pics.

>>45999517

Who takes pictures of a dice-throwing machine?

>>45999553
The same people who take pictures of their vegetarian felafel for lunch?

>>45982493
>How would the introduction of Rebar concrete change a given late medieval fantasy setting?

It'd be like attacking modern forts without tanks and planes. Their siege tactics would largely stay the same.

First they would surround your castle with barricades so that you couldn't leave and allies couldn't aid you. Then they would dig a trench system around your fort in key areas to allow their own safe passage and so that they could begin undermining your walls. They would build siege towers and ladders to attack with, along with various catapults to bombard you. Watch towers would be built to see over your walls and watch your every move. And of course, they would just starve you out all the while.

>>45999394
So no art or culture has come out of the Middle East? Not a single worthwhile soul in the whole region exists?
Don't get me wrong, Islamic radicals are a legitimate threat, and religion in all forms is generally terrible, but if you don't think there's a single person worth sparing in the Middle East then I
well I guess I just don't understand how someone so retarded can function. Do you have a timer to remind you to breathe, you knuckle-dragging cunt? Do you ever get tired of huffing your own farts while jerking off to Mein Kampf?

>>45999643
>So no art or culture has come out of the Middle East?
Not for a long, long, long time; everything that has, has already been cataloged.
>inb4 muh """Islamic Golden Age"

>and religion in all forms is generally terrible
WEW LAD; speaking as an Atheist, that's downright fucking retarded. Religion is great, spirituality is what's terrible.

>Do you ever get tired of huffing your own farts while jerking off to Mein Kampf?
>Implying Hitler wasn't a fuccboi vegan kike

>>45999176
I'm a progressive. I play tabletop games. We know what fiction is.

Honestly, I've never run into adventures that just consist of "go kill the (evil race)" "why?" "you gotta". But I think it's a dumb and lazy plot structure to have in an adventure, so my homebrew setting's full of political intrigue and moral ambiguity. Like, there are cannibalistic gnome/goblin things that are chaotic neutral nature spirits in physical form and have totally alien values as a result. They like to "liberate" livestock and slaves alike, and then they get hungry on the way back home and eat them. Is it wrong to kill them? It really depends on the players' priorities, but they probably will try to kill them, and I won't condemn them for that. On the other hand, on a totally different adventure, the same party could run into an enclave of the very same creatures and enlist them to help in their quest. Overall, the setting's full of races that are distinct from each other in immutable and meaningful ways, but ultimately it's a world divided more by regional cultures and religion than it is by race. Some of this is because I don't really like the racist undertones of mainstream fantasy, but it's mainly because I think it's boring if all elves are the same and all dwarves are the same or whatever.

So I mean, I guess the answer to your question is, we use our imaginations.

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>>45999643
>Do you have a timer to remind you to breathe, you knuckle-dragging cunt? Do you ever get tired of huffing your own farts while jerking off to Mein Kampf?

brutal

>>45999176
It's called roleplaying.

>>45999720
This. Maybe in my campaign every orc you run into might not want to kill you, but that doesn't mean marauding bands of orcs don't exist.
>I think it's boring if all elves are the same and all dwarves are the same or whatever.
This is key.

>>45999176
As a progressive, 90% of us think that's all bullshit anyway so we have no trouble with it.

Like, seriously. Progressive, as a title, means ''I think things can and probably should change''. Its not ''lol, I need to suck more muzie cock to please the immigrants'', its ''Hey, those ministers are pretty corrupt. We should get them out'' or ''if the majority of the people want government healthcare, we should institute it''

On the other hand, the fucks you're talking about usually don't play TTRPGs. They're too busy being slacktivists and trying to start the next trending hashtag on twitter

>>45999818
Stop calling yourself a progressive, anon; make something vaguely interesting and thoughtful up, like "pragmatic futurist"

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>>45999038
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>>45999489

Looks like we've got a Great Schism of retardation on our hands

>>45999643
Art and culture is getting destroyed in the ME currently. There is an overall loss.
ISIS is destroying heritage sites.
Culture and art isn't getting created, but destroyed.

>>45991554
That scenario is less about questions of scale and more about the common sense move of not charging your thing into the other thing specifically made to cut your thing half.

>>45999840
Tbh, labels are only useful in so far as identifying which groups you are a member of and which you oppose.

As soon as theres a ''pragmatic futurist'' movement and a corresponding ''idealistic traditionalist'' movement, sure. Otherwise, Progressive is the appropriate term as of now. Alternates include ''Humanist'' but thats a bit more complicated given its use as a gender-equality specific term and historical use.

Besides, usually the sort of fuckwits your man was talking about are called ''leftists'' in my experience.

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>>45999930
>not using a special snowflake portmanteau ideology name and spending 15 minutes explaining the meaning and history of it to people

Come on now, anon.

>>45999818
Honestly, the kinds of people that anon was describing are generally really insincere in their politics anyway and just use them as a rhetorical bludgeon to get their way.

>>45999902
Not the poster you're replying to, but I'm pretty sure everyone hates ISIS.

>>45999818
>90% of us think it's bullshit
Nice try, buddy, because it's clearly that "10%" that's in power and getting things done.

Either you're complacent enablers of the regressive left, or you ARE the regressive left. You allow these people to exist in your movement, either because you are the minority or you don't want to get rid of them.

>>45999902
That's my point. ISIS is horrible they are trying to wipe out culture and remake the region in their own image. There are people that live there, people who don't deserve to get "glassed" because some asshole wrote off millions of people as "mudskins".

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>>45999109
You don't have to write a laugh track to your post, anon. This is an image board, we have Images for that. Here, have one

>>46000028
Just because the middle east aren't ALL in ISIS and all of them AREN'T murderers doesn't mean they don't support ass backwards shit. Jesus, like the majority of most ME countries support fucking death to apostates for fuck's sake.
I rather not have these kind of people anywhere near my country leeching off tax money.
I'm fine with immigrants who are educated and worked hard to get here. Not asylum seekers and rapefugees seeking to abuse a system and not assimilate.

The middle east doesn't deserve to get glassed, but it hardly deserves anything positive either.

>>46000002
I got better things to do with my life dude, weird as it sounds.

I mean, those things might be shitposting on a mongolian cave painting board but Id still rather do that than explain shit like that.

>>46000023
Fortunately for me, I live in one of the places that ain't going to shit bruv. Hell, last lad I seen trying to get away with an ''honour killing'' round here got stabbed repeatedly.

Besides, we have our own issues to deal with.

To keep this vaguely on topic though, whats your opinion on towers in fortifications anons? What form would you favour, and why? Im personally a fan of circular seeing as it presents no corner to be easily undermined but my knowledge on the topic isn't exactly exhaustive.

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>>46000172
I think it's good fun. Who doesn't like being satirical way over the heads of some people in real life?

>>46000172
>Besides, we have our own issues to deal with.
Like Rotterdam

>To keep this vaguely on topic though, whats your opinion on towers in fortifications anons? What form would you favour, and why? Im personally a fan of circular seeing as it presents no corner to be easily undermined but my knowledge on the topic isn't exactly exhaustive.

Towers serve multiple purposes in defenses. What shape a tower takes is pretty important to what it actually does and what era the tower was built in.

>>45999643
>>45999726

Nice samefagging, weak banter.

>>46000235
Eh. If I want to fuck with people I just use needlessly fancy words and let them try to work out what the fuck Im saying.

>>46000263
No idea what happened in Rotterdam man, not my country. Last incident I can remember with an ''immigrant'' in my country that made the news was a polish lad getting beaten to death for groping a woman in a nightclub.

As to towers, fair point. Say your aim was akin to the purpose of Rondello Towers. Is the circular design actually the best option or are there better ones?

>>45999643

If it meant protecting people over here, I would kill them all. For the sake of my daughter, I would murder every last one of their children.

>>45994552
Are you fucking serious nigger?

The Sherman was the greatest tank of the war.

>>45999720

Realistically humans would have hunted all of your cannibalistic kender fucks to death centuries ago.

>>46000369
Jesus fucking Christ. Parents are the most selfishly cruel kind of person.

>>46000023

Just like Muslims, ironically.

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>>46000329
Surprisingly enough that wasn't actually me. I'm not that stupid.

>>46000172
>If it doesn't affect me I don't care

Typical liberal. Always wanting to bring refugees in because they know they won't be moved into THEIR neighborhoods.

>>46000440

I won't even consider feeling apologetic for it. I would break the skulls of every last one of their children with a hammer if it saved my daughter from the fate they would grow up to inflict on her.

>>45986628
Actually...

Most nazi stuff failed due to one of the following:
>Internal design disputes, ie., "my design is better than yours, fuck you I will literally sabotage your design so hitler will give me a smiley-face". This was a huge issue for the Axis, they often would hide stuff from one another because "muh secret genius plans".
>over-complicated because new design, but rather than tweak existing designs they would just introduce a new one, hence no design was ever "broken in"
>relied on metallurgy that was expensive or too complicated to maintain during the war
>spread their resources into so many half-baked "wonder weapons" that testing and prototyping significantly impacted war material production (how pissed would you be as a tank commander that the best the logistics can supply is 2 half-loaded tanks but the rocket guys get 10 tanks worth of steel, oil, and explosives?)

As the war went on you see the OPPOSITE in allied armies:
>Sherman led to new derivatives that drew on past lessons
>US Air power closed an early technological gap with the japanese
>Soviet tanks consistently got better as they got enough "breathing room" to allow more time.

Any time you have a military under pressure you are going to see production cracks. With the nazis it not only had cracks in the metallurgy but their procurement process was bat-shit insane.

>>45998534
I wasn't implying that Hillary and Bernie aren't every bit as bad as Trump. Every Presidential candidate we've had for at least the past 25 years has been toxic, with the possible exception of a few random third party also-rans.

>>46000490
No, I mean ''Its not happening in my country, I can't do shit about it''

What am I gonna do, yell at people online until they decide Im actually a conservative and tell me to fuck off and suck Trumps cock? Ain't no immigrant wants to come here anyway, they're all going to a neighbouring country because they've family there or stopping before they reach us. Or going to canada for some reason.

>>46000544

You're not getting it. Trump is actually good presidential material. Being loud, bombastic, and as stubborn as a honey badger are GOOD traits for our leaders. We don't want a Pope, we want another Teddy Roosevelt.

>>46000530
Just because you had sex once doesn't justify killing. Your crotchfruit isn't better or worse than anyone else's spawn.

>>46000560

What country?

>>45982493
For fantasy settings I would say it is fine. This is the same type of fantasy where golems are a thing and there is magic. It stands to reason that at least some advanced metallurgy exists, perhaps in a semi-industrial scale capacity.

In the Iliad, Hephaestus the Greek god of smithing had workbenches that did their own work and robots to help him. It isn't a stretch to me that if you can make a skeleton or simple construct to "guard this door" you can have one do something like "when this screw reaches you, put it onto this peg and twist until you can't anymore". While that isn't an exact example, I do think something similar would be POSSIBLE, particularly for higher fantasy a la Harry Potter tier.

>>45991092
Your understanding of WWII naval warfare and pre-WWII naval warfare is just bad. In the early days of WWII a pair US destroyers ended up fighting a lone Japanese battleship. All of their torpedos ended up missing because when both the shooter and the target are moving high speeds it very hard to hit with WWII era torpedoes baring getting very close. The Japanese guess after the fact that the US destroyers were either out of torpedoes or more likely that due to the ships maneuvers they were unable to reload their torpedo tubes. In any event the pair of destroyers had a much easier time hitting the battleship then the battleship had hitting the destroyers. By the end of the fight both of the destroyers were sunk and the battleship had been hit more then a hundred times by the guns of the destroyers. So surely the battleship was crippled by the end right?

It only lost two AA guns, needed a new paint job, and had some injured crew ( no deaths). Take any modern battleship of the era with a trained crew and any two destroyers of the era and it would of likely played out the same. Guns in the 5 to 6 inch range just do not cut it against the the armor of a battleship.

The first class of post war destroyer that could reasonable win against a WWII battleship would be the sovit Kildin-class destroyer.Why? SS-N-1 anti-ship missiles. However the thing weighted 3240 tons with a full load, which is about a 1000 tons past a WWII era destroyer. After anti ships missiles became a thing destroyers rapidly grew in size to carry more of them . The modern Arleigh Burke class is 9,800 tons, which puts it on the smaller end of a WWII light cruiser.

TL:DR WWII destroyers < WWII battleships, WWII destroyer =/= modern destroyers.

>>46000577
Great, we totally need another jingoistic imperialist in the White House. That's totally sort things out.

>>46000605
>crotchfruit
>spawn
>being one of those poisonous childfree types

Enjoy dying alone. I stand by what I said, I would murder every last one to protect my daughter and if you were a complete human being and not a callow manchild you would do the same.

>>46000605
That's wrong. A first world child is worth infinitely more than some third world savage.
>crotchfruit
Typical liberal shaming actually having children

>>46000624
>jingoistic imperialist
>hates the idea of us being world police because we aren't paid enough for it

Pick one.

Do you actually follow current events at all or do you subsist entirely on /r/sandersforpresident memes?

>>46000607
Spudland man. I think officially we're willing to take in like 30 of them but none of them are coming.

Hell, a bunch of them went to Sweden and left because it was too cold. If they show up here they'll probably leave because its too rainy.

To try to stay sorta on topic, whats your feeling on Dwarven fortifications? Should they be massive above ground edifices? Reinforced caves? A wall in the mountain side in front of their city?

>>46000668
I was referring to the Teddy Roosevelt comment.

>>46000577
>Theodore Roosevelt
>Crushed Filipino rebels in a war more brutal than Iraq 2
>Invaded and manipulated Latin American countries "for their own good"
>Closed America's borders to low-skilled labor immigrants from Japan
Yeah, totally like Trump right? Why would we want another interventionist, isolationist, racist president from the 19th Century ruling us? Seriously.

>>46000684
>Spudland
I'm sorry, that's Idaho now. Ireland is just Drunkland. It also lost Depressionland to Michigan.

>>46000696

Teddy was fucking awesome and if Trump is anything like him he's definitely an improvement over Hillary (Obama with more SJW-pandering policies). I won't mention Bernie because he's been jewed out of the nom already.

I'm now going to go to /pol/ and ask just what constitutes xenophobia, and go to /his/ and ask whether they believe xenophobia has had a negative effect on the world. Because one man saying "Maybe we should put a pause of letting people from a country that hates us come into the country" isn't xenophobic to me. It's just common sense.

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>>46000684
>Should they be massive above ground edifices? Reinforced caves? A wall in the mountain side in front of their city?

All of the above, plus the world's bank vaults and high rises.
Eberron is great.

>>46000738
>Bernie getting jewed out of something he worked hard for so it could go to someone who would do retarded things with it

I hope the irony isn't lost on him.

>>46000698

Because those are awesome. Frankly, I'll take an "isolationist, racist" president who keeps illegals out over having them get amnesty over another whiny "global citizen" who doesn't put America first.

>>46000577
>Roosevelt himself was not usually a target, but his speech in 1906 coined the term "muckraker" for unscrupulous journalists making wild charges. "The liar," he said, "is no whit better than the thief, and if his mendacity takes the form of slander he may be worse than most thieves."
It's like history is repeating itself.

>>46000636
We all die alone, at least I won't have made the world a worse place by insisting my genes carry on to breed and destroy the planet.

>>46000653
Having a first world child is one of the best ways to cause the most harm to the environment. And let me clarify what I mean by that, I don't give a shit about dolphins going extinct or the rainforests, I just want to avoid the deaths of billions of humans when our rampant pollution and consumption finally catches up with us. But then again you're the type of guy who refers to people as "savages", so I'm probably not going to get through to you.

>>46000726
Well, at least we still have a shot named after us, even if it tastes like shit.

>>46000752
Thats a good point actually. After all, some diversity in the world can make it a bit less stale, or at least give me more material to work with as a forever DM

>>46000023
>regressive left
Sargon pls go.

>>46000750

/his/ is retarded and full of idiotic plebbit children, though, and /pol/ will just say "common sense" or "anything leftists don't like" and post smug pepes in Trump hats at you.

>>46000413
Not really. As I said, it's not race-on-race, per se. They do fine out east among the barbarian hordes, where cannibalism isn't really seen as an issue and agriculture isn't really indulged in. They do fine in the northern deserts, where food is acquired by trade. And they reproduce by spontaneous generation, conveniently explaining why they can be a problem even in more settled areas. Really, they're more plausible than goblins(if we accept the conceit that they exist in a fantasy setting and physically impossible things can therefore happen), but they fill the same general role without always being inexplicably evil. Why do you hate having sources of conflict?

>>46000776

When I heard he'd lost six delegates to coin flips I lost my shit laughing.

>>45997347
>>45998675

Work construction for residential, basically what the engineer said.


When we build a house there are a couple factors that come in, building codes being chief among them. When you build to code, it is somewhat over-engineered in a sense. In all likelihood your house could probably lose a decent number of studs and still be okay, that's just safety margin.

But a typical house today and its infrastructure (mainly sewage, leech fields/septic stuff) will need replaced in about 50 years, maybe 75 if you are extremely lucky and the environment is kind. Part of it is just design- the last decade has seen a lot of people realizing they don't have enough outlets, they don't have a great internet connection, etc. So power will need to be redone, and that can be a big deal if we are talking electricity + phone/internet, etc., to the whole house. So at that point, why bother making them last forever if you are just going to need to rip the fuck out of them anyway for a full remodel?

Another factor is that wood, at least in america, is in some ways weaker than it used to be. We use "new growth", not old growth. Old growth wood tends to be a bit darker if you look for it, and it tends to be super sturdy. New wood comes essentially from factory tree-farms and while they are strong are not as sturdy as they used to be. That's why hicks in Louisiana will go into swamps and dredge up logs- that shit is valuable old growth that has been preserved by the mud and stuff, and makes for great building material.

In contrast, the romans made everything out of like limestone and mortar and since nothing would be "outdated" due to the lack of tech improvement there would never be a reason to bother replacing it. If the romans advanced like we do today I would wager half of their wonders would have been made cheaper and be gone by now.

>>46000738
>Teddy Rossevelt was awesome!
I read the cracked article too, anon. But I don't measure a president's worth based on how cool they were.

>>46000698
That's the shit I'm talking about. He wasn't the kind of guy you want to emulate. Stop trying to revise history.

>>46000779
>our rampant pollution

You mean all that pollution from the industry we outsourced to countries with worse environmental laws? I agree, we should bring it back to the west.

>>46000624
>implying jingoistic imperialism is bad

>>46000698
>Seriously

What's with these weird leftist verbal tics, like they're glancing around to see if their friends approve with every sentence, what's the point of them?

>Literally
>Come on
>2016
>Can't even
>Seriously

>>46000698
If it was low-skilled labor he closed the borders to, then good. America should steal the top scientists from other nations and leave the pleb work for locals until unemployment is in the single digits.

>>46000779
First world children are the future and the ones that have a chance at doing the most good in the world.
Third worders do nothing but rape, kill and steal.
There's no other word for the people ME and africa but savage.
These people are savages and are a net drain on the world.
But yeah, keep blaming first world countries you disgusting self hating fuck. I'm sure you wouldn't take a day out of your life to denounce India or China's pollution because they aren't white.

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>>46000860
>shoo shoo, slimey limey

>>46000835
>reading Cracked

I bet you love HuffPo and Salon too.

>That's the shit I'm talking about. He wasn't the kind of guy you want to emulate. Stop trying to revise history.

All of those are great things to emulate, though. He's one of the main reasons why America dominates every ocean on earth today.

Funny story, though, I had a history prof who would get triggered by the fact that his armada was called "the Great White Fleet" and was convinced it was some kind of racist thing instead of "the boats were white."

>>45998877
So the president can essentially wage war for some 60 days without congressional approval, followed by a 30 day drawdown. HOWEVER the president can ask congress "hey can I have some time to work here?" and if congress says yes the president can just keep trucking along. That's pretty much how the last 50 years have gone- president goes and does something in the name of defending american interests, then congress goes "fine, stay until voters don't care anymore and want to come home". Rinse and repeat as necessary.

I always thought /pol/ was crazy until I started seeing progressives show up here. Even the moderate ones are awful, I can't imagine what the true Deep Tumblrites are like.

>>46000877
>First world children are the future and the ones that have a chance at doing the most good in the world.
>Third worders do nothing but rape, kill and steal.
>There's no other word for the people ME and africa but savage.
>These people are savages and are a net drain on the world.
Ahaha holy shit. How's the National Socialist party going these days?

>Well the brown people do bad stuff too so it's okay!

Of course I'm against that shit in China and India, I just don't find myself talking to people who vote in those countries ever.

>>46001006
Yeah, I'm sure those Eritreans appreciate the solidarity. They are clearly the future of mankind.

>>45998672
>Lives aren't actually a particularly valuable resource. Case in point: both world wars.
Look at the state of the modern european gene pool, and think about this question again.

What the fuck are all these megadeaths and diaspora doing to the future of the middle east?

And due to Rule One, we aren't even helping the way that conquers and despoilers normally do.

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>>46000988
>I can't imagine what the true Deep Tumblrites are like.
Here's a picture of a couple of them.

>>46001006
>you're literally Hitler
dae le DRUMPF amirite xD

>>46001031
All humans having children are the future of mankind, baka desu senpai.

>>46000988
A true challenge to Poe's law. A pinnacle of absurdity.

The real terrifying thought is, what are their teachers like? Those who invent and disseminate the ridiculous notions they believe in.

>>45999051
Having one myself. 90+% of the rest is noise pollution and regular pollution.

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>>46001006
>Ahaha holy shit. How's the National Socialist party going these days?

Well we figured socialism wasn't working so now we're just being twice as nationalist.

>>46001070

I've seen some of their blog posts. They exist, like the colossal squid they so resemble, in the depths of the e-ocean.

>>46001097

Generally tenured, cynical, corrupt, with above-average odds of being Jewish if they aren't some other racial or sexual minority.

>>46000605
Positive morality is a survival trait. Survival is about ensuring the longevity of your genes.

Therefore actions that benefit my children, even at the expense of the children of competitors, are positively moral.

So it is my moral duty to my progeny to make ruthlessly selfish decisions in their interest.

And it is their moral duty to do the same for their children.

The "Civilized World" is more properly defined as the subset of humanity who behave in such a way that the ruthlessly selfish choice is a choice that benefits them as well as myself.

When the whole world acts in such a way that more is to be gained by all in cooperation and peaceful rapport with all, than murder, rapine, plunder, and devastation for some, then I will sing Kumbia.

But that day has not yet come, and that day has never occurred in the past.

>>46001402
Oh, please. Don't try to pretend that following base biological imperatives gives you the moral high ground here. You're nothing more than an animal.

>>46001402
>Being a cunt makes my offspring more likely to survive
Not really. It makes some other cunt more likely to get fed up with your shit and off them. By contributing to a society where any life but yours and that it your immediate family is valueless, you're creating a meat grinder that gives no shits about you or your family.

>>45991200
i know just what ill use on those damnable ants the next state over, thanks anon.

>>46003305
Savage delayed burn

>>45994873
>HOLY SHIT A TIGER
>right lads, get the kettle on and we'll have a cuppa while we wait for it to break down

>>45995183

Why not start selling tonks to the private sector? Well, probably not /as/ tanks, but as tractors that leave out the bits like the DU-armoring and the turret: basically the chassis can continued to be produced during times of peace and when more tanks aren't needed, while also building up on the possible variants said chassis can be converted to as new needs in the public arise.

Granted, I'm not sure if the Abrams is a good idea of this line of thinking, since its engine is one hungry beast.

>>46000534
>including soviets in allies
>the aggressors of ww2 who helped hitler
Really? Those fuckers helped Hitler rape Poland after a month after start of ww2.

Changing sides after getting betrayed should not make them member of Alliant.

>>46000821
I knew that USA had retarded elections.

But coin flip? Fucking really?
Why not have the vote again - with one extra week of campaigns?

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>>46003856
That's easily the stupidest thing I've read all week. Like holy shit. Its in that weird place that it sounds like something you might actually believe is a good idea but is also so obviously fucking retarded it can't be anything but bait and I just can't tell.

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>>45994873
>the most-produced Sherman, the Easy Eight, had comparable or superior armor characteristics to the german heavies
You must getting your sherman models mixed up, the armored one was the M4A3A2 "Jumbo" and it had a 13" thick RHA plate welded on the front, while the E8 was as bad armored as the older M4A2, it had the 76mm M1A2 AT gun and, most importantly, HVSS suspensions that gave it extremely good cross country performance and really good stability to the gun.

>>46005100
Touché, but like it or not that's more or less how they are portrayed in history books, and history is written by the victors. Regardless their manufacturing techniques continued to improve as time went on. For example, going back to their tanks spalling became less of an issue as Ivan learned that SUPER MEGA HARD armor tends to be worse than steel with a slight amount of give, because when super mega hard armor gets hit with something it tends to create little metal flakes, which act like shrapnel inside the crew cabin.

>>46005609
American suspension systems were critical to the reliability of our armor, nazi stuff broke down in part because they could not into vehicle suspension and mechanical reliability.

>>45987179
American scientist literally jumped and screamed at the command to procure all the research the naziś did that involved human test subjects.

it made the moon landing possible.

because now they knew how much pressure a human body can take before trauma, and of course what happens if you keep going : <

>>45987179
The nazis procurement process was shit, but did lead to many zany prototypes of things we wouldn't have funded ourselves. Imagine you have a left road and a right road. America took the right road, leading to things like the atom bomb and better radio guidance. The nazis took the left road, leading to things like V2, vampyr infrared, etc. So when the nazis collapsed we got the stuff from the left road AND right road.

>>45993950
>They're ridiculously easy to disable with far inferior weaponry, and exist primarily to fight other MBTs.

Not really. Unless you've got at least equally advanced infantry weapons, you need either MBTs of your own or a really lucky shot to actually disable an MBT.

>>45993950
Destroying an MBT with modern countermeasures and decent infantry support is incredibly hard. You need artillery, your own MBT, or air power.

If you destroy a tank with an ATGM (anti tank guided missile) that usually is an infantry failure to screen and a failure of the tank crew.

This can be seen in Syria:
>tanks being deployed in cities, often alone
>Arab crews tend to just sit there in place and thus make easy targets
>also tend to abandon tanks at even slight damage and thus are psychological casualties more than mobility or catastrophic kills.

Also if you watch vids, isis likes to load up mobility killed or damaged tanks with explosive then shoot them with an RPG or something to "blow it up" for propaganda- makes Syrian or Iraqi tanks look weaker than they are.

>>46000738
>Hillary (Obama with more SJW-pandering policies)
>People are actually trying to frame Hillary as a hyper-liberal when she's literally Hitler
Is this some sort of strange shill at work?

>>46006006
The Germans could into Vehicle suspension quite well actually, they made several revisions to many of their tanks, it was a mixture of the the fact they could not into reliability, Over-engineering many tanks and having much of their tanks designed by competing companies causing minimal part standardisation that rekt a lot of their tank forces.

>>46007880
The American right wing has a somewhat skewed view of the left-right scale. As is obvious when they put anyone short of Bernie left of the middle.

>>46009064
>anyone short of a literal socialist isn't left-wing
someone's perceptions are skewed

not like the whole left-right thing isn't shit to begin with, but that's clearly wrong

>>46009514
In any european country, the majority of Democrats would count as center or even right-wing.

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>>46008887
Nice to see they haven't changed at all.

>>45991092
>all my naval warfare knowledge comes from World of Warships and my ass

>>45983644
Keep in mind that the pyramids are little more than stacks of rocks. Very well made stacks of rocks but ultimately nothing more. There's nothing holding the pyramids together besides friction and gravity.

Also, metal was obscenely expensive up until the late 1700s. First you had to dig it out inch by inch. Then you needed to chop down some trees and make charcoal to smelt the ore. After that you need more charcoal to work the metal and you need full time specialists to do both.

In pre-industrial times you generally needed something like 7-8 farmers for every non-farmer.

So that's one man at the mine, another to transport the ore, another to cut down trees for charcoal, a blacksmith to smelt and work the metal, and the 28 men to feed them.

And I'm being VERY conservative with my estimations.

>>45987304
True, but frankly, Von Braun didn't seem to care about the war and just wanted to shoot rockets into the air.

>>46011048
His goal when the Nazis recruited him was to send a man to the moon, even saying that the tech/industrial base for it was already existent but the Nazis wanted missiles not manned missions. It is part of the reason he worked so well with the Americans as they were working towards his dream and so he was inclined to help them.

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>>46000833
Thank you guys, you were very helpful.

>>46000684
I play my dorfs for their strengths: close quarters underground.

Instead of a keep towering over any castle or city, their last stand uses the most subterranean chamber.

Every acess is pretty much a chokepoint, tunnels are a series of zigs and zags, so any archers or artillery brought to bear will be within reach of the defenders.

The ceiling never goes beyond 1.50 meters. You saw how awkward it was to Gandalf walking around a hobbit house? Imagine that for a batallion of orcs or humans being stabbed by dorfs. This also saves time and effort in digging.

Their defense is based upon pike formations. they have their flanks guarded by the earth itself.

Each hundred meters will be a Thermopylae, and the only 'goat pass' is the one you dig yourself, which I think the dorfs will counterdig. A russian tzar used copper or bronze plates under his walls to hear for digging during a siege, I assume the dorfs would know that as well.

>>46005157
In some state the primaries are done by caucus. Essentially people get in a high school gym or something together and argue about who to vote for all day. Then they all cast their votes by standing on either side of the room. In a few of these voting areas, the tie was broken by coin toss.

The primaries are a fucking circus.

>>45982493
>I believe the Greeks used to have it.

The Greeks were the ones to start using concrete but not really a whole lot of reinforced concrete. The Romans are who you want to look at. They didn't use re bar because that just was not possible with the metal output of the empire. What they would do how ever was put plant fibers, rope, and/or wood beams into the concrete to do the same thing. All of those massive Roman concrete structures including permanent fortifications would have concrete with fiber laid in while being poured. Then on the outside of the concrete would be a layer of brick or stone. Brick was used in places where you had alot of clay and stone for the opposite. The last layer on top of that would be mostly for civilian structures and that would be some exterior surface like plaster or marble.

>>46014682
>In some state the primaries are done by caucus. Essentially people get in a high school gym or something together and argue about who to vote for all day. Then they all cast their votes by standing on either side of the room. In a few of these voting areas, the tie was broken by coin toss.
That sounds terrible.

>>46000605
That is biologically emperically false. For any individual of any species it's highest priority is to ensure the passing on of as much of its own genetic material as possible. One child contains 1/2 of an individual's material, therefore a parent should sacrifice themselves for 2 children. Same with bee's each worker is a haploid daughter of the queen, which means even if they were fertile, it makes more sense for them to support the Queens children than there own, as they would be more closely related to there siblings than their children.

Tldr passing on genetics is the mean of life and the prime biological driver