MTG Pauper General

>pauper
>opening image is uncommon
are you doing this on purpose?

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>>45979209
It's a format staple. It's legal because of Vintage Masters.

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>>45979191
>>45979411
Are there more cards like this that have been downshifted from uncommon to common? The only examples I can find are the other way around.

>>45981199
It usually happens in X masters sets. Moddern masters had a graft rare shifted down to a common and i'm sure a bunch others.

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>>45981199
This sees some play. It was uncommon in Future Sight

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Someone donate me blackbordered witches pls.

>>45981388
White borders add character.

please stop posting about this meme format

Is the legality of a card determined by gatherer or mtgo? Like arrogant wurm is a common on mtgo but uncommon in paper, so is it legal in paper?

>>45982060
MTGO uses the most-current gatherer rulings/wordings/rarities.

Pauper uses the most-common rarity of a card, so stuff like Arrogant Wurm and Chainer's Edict (while printed on paper as Uncommon) are perfectly legal.

On the other hand, Sinkhole was common on paper but Rare when added to MTGO, so isn't legal. Same with Hymn to Tourach.

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>>45981388
theyre only a fiver, m8

here's my scrubby 'isnt a rogue deck anymore so people hate it' Jeskai Kitty

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>>45982203
>theyre only a fiver, m8

but nowhere has them, and I can't be arsed with 4 different sellers on ebay.

>>45982249
try magiccardmarket
pretty sure they deliver to scotland

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>>45982341
>>45982249

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>>no /eternalgeneral/

Any legacy players here? U/B reanimator myself, but thinking of branching out to dredge since I noticed I have three quarters of the deck lying around.

Only problem is I don't have LEDs, which I'm not comfortable buying after the EM spike. Anyone familiar with dredge who can suggest a LED-less list?

>>45981199
Alloy Myr

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>>45979191
I am thinking about making an equipment deck. It is better to make it mono-white or red-white? How viable it is? Any idea about what good artifacts to include? Thanks in advance!

>>45982823
http://magicgatheringstrat.com/2014/06/boros-kitty-a-primer-in-two-parts/

consider this instead.

>>45982823
bonesplitter

>>45982848
>>45983058
Thanks!
I will check the Boros kitty idea.
I agree, bonesplitter is a must!

if im playin kiln delver UR what can i side in to play around UW reality acid?
shit has too many removals and apostole's blessing aint enough

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Can you help me /tg/? I've been trying for years to get my board-game friend into Magic. He doesn't really want to start because of the massive collections and the expensive decks though.

I want to give him a cheap pauper deck that can easily be upgraded and/or modified and that is able to deal with most decks in the meta without being totally obliterated.

What deck should I give him?

>>45984470
gb dredge

>>45982823
That new 1/2 for W in SOI that makes clue tokens could be good

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>>45982823
this guy

>>45984470
White Weenie, Affinity, or Mono Blue

So I'm thinking of building a pauper deck because I like the idea behind the format and my local store has started running small tournaments for it, any deck recommendations? I usually play combo or control.

>>45982823
I play cyborg with Ardent Recruit, Auriok Sunchaser, Glint Hawk and Kor Skyfisher and it's better than playing too many equipments, non-living weapon equipments are terrible topdecks. Just play Bonesplitter and Flayer Husk.

>>45985188
UB delver is the best control deck in the format. And unlike mystical teachings, you actually get to win the games you play.

>>45985643
You have any good UB Delver lists? I seem to be able to only find either monoU Delver lists or UB Angler lists

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Is the Reality Acid deck any good? I found this in a box of cards I bought few weeks ago.

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>>45986171
I paired it with white for pic related and blink stuff
it's decent

>>45985643
>UB
>not UR

>>45986171
What's the list?

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>>45979191
I'm playing Affinity right now (With Disciple of the Vault) and I'm just amazed how easily it wins. I love to play with banned cards, I think its a fantastic measure of power for a deck / strategy.

>MFW I sacrifice everything to Atog and Temur Battle Rage for 30+ trampling and double striking damage

>play pauper because it's affordable
>everyone starts playing it
>no longer affordable
>shill professor laughs becuase of how hard her pushed the format
>you idiots eat it up.

I can't believe how dumb some of you kids are.

>>45986556
What are you going on about?
Even if pauper got popular, decks would cost way less than any modern deck costs.

>>45986521
You know disciple isn't banned right?

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>>45986556
>This happens
>The people get red pilled
>All of them pack heat and go in a world wide dredge nazism fuelled rampage
>Mark "The nose" Rosewater is stringed and beheaded on live TV

>>45986171
it beats a lot of the tier 1 and 2 decks, that is for sure
good matchup vs kuldotha jeskai, mono black control, goblins, and affinity. you actually just crush kuldotha and mono black control, it's actually unreal playing vs those decks that have so much value and almost never run out of gas and just somehow generating more card advantage than them.
acid loses to izzet blitz though, you would have to sideboard an inordinate number of cop: red to have good win % in that matchup or something like that.
nobody here plays delver so I don't know what that matchup is like but I have this feeling like delver s favored. the higher curve of the reality acid deck isn't that big of a problem vs other aggro decks because of how hard you stabilize, but delver's high concentration of flying creatures + counterspells and low curve seem like they would crush the reality acid deck.

>>45986556
but anon, we already bought in
we're not playing pauper because we support a large grandiose cause of wanting everyone to be able to play cheap magic
we just want to be able to play cheap magic ourselves
we've already won, anon
we've already won and there's nothing you can do about it but join us in winning

>>45986681
If you spent as much time playing magic as you do shitting up threads, you'd be on the pro tour :^)

>>45986639
banned in block constructed
http://magic dot wizards.com/en/gameinfo/gameplay/formats/bannedrestricted

>>45986867
I'm banned for life off MTG for supporting dredge (and trying to save the game via cyanide on maro's coffee).

>>45986879
>Banned in block constructed
>Pauper thread
?

>>45986867
Maybe that's why /tg/ is bad at Magic, none of them even play it.

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>>45986879
http://magic.wizards.com/en/gameinfo/gameplay/formats/pauper

Not banned in Pauper.

>>45986893
You're not as funny as you think you are.

>>45986879
Are you the same kind of guy who thinks Wizards has the legal banlist for EDH? You can use Chaos Orb if you want to, Anon. No one's stopping you.

>>45986969
You're not as sneaky as you think you're kike.

>>45986969
He's kind of funny, in a /pol/ sort of way.

>>45987000
Do you always double down when someone calls you out on being a bit shit?

>>45987026
Do you always try to deflect attention when you're found out Goldsteinberg?


>>>/tg/modern

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>>45987026
>durr everyone who disagrees with me is the same

>cards printed in online sets count towards what is legal in pauper
what the fuck?

>>45982823
Why is he holding an imaginary gun

>>45987076
Pauper is mainly an online format.

>>45987104
Look at his right hand.

>>45987109
>mtgo
I was curious about the format. But now I am not.

>>45987133
You can still play it on paper if you can trick a friend into trying it you know.

there's really no excuse not to play pauper.

cheapest constructed format by far.

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I built this U/R Tron with stuff I had lying around. I'm thinking about adding some White to it for good removal and that stupid Rhystic Circle, but I'm afraid the manabase can't sustain it. I don't know how to build the sideboard for this, I thought about splashing W for it too.I have nobody to play Pauper with but I build decks anyway.

Okay entering another league with Kuldotha Jeskai, pls no tron pls.

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>Hitler
>Evil

Pick one, and only one anon.

Dredge is the Hitler of decks because it goes against the standard Jew conventions of Legacy and Vintage which require often thousands of dollars to compete at a basic level. Jews hate this because there is a deck out there which completely destroys their deck in a blitzkrieg style, rendering their $70 Wastelands and $100 Force of Wills virtually useless.

In fact Jews of the Coast hate Dredge/Hitler so much that they print in almost every new set more progressively powerful graveyard hate cards, much like Jews make new Holocaust movies every year.

Dredge might be a newbie choice, but it's a great deck, forces you to think outside the box and look at the game from an entirely different perspective. Just like Hitler gave people a perspective of an entirely different world.

Just like Hitler, the deck is ridiculously maligned for no apparent reason when there are just as many decks that are stupidly abusive out there. However, these decks (much like Stalin) are overlooked because they follow the Jew

>>45987311
>there's really no excuse not to play pauper.

Yeah there is. I like high power level cards and since I'm single with a job money is of no value to me.

>>45987791
first match against fucking tron of course ugh

>>45987794
But Dredge uses 4 LEDs?

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>>45988015
>being a cuck to rarity

>>45987683
>I have nobody to play Pauper with but I build decks anyway.
I know how you feel bro. I've already made several small orders for Tron, Mono Black and Bogles and the only person I used to play with moved away.

>>45985690
UB angler is the same as UB delver.

>>45988210
Wouldn't that be you since you're the one who is being forced to not play with a significant portion of Magic's cardpool?

>>45988172
Gas chambers ain't free.

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>>45988301
i'm not the one who has to play with rares in order to win, modern boi

>>45988301
>>45988695
You are both idiots for arguing over formats

>>45988172
Not necessary if playing 12-14 lands since you can just play a discard dork, and go off via Breakthrough + Coliseum.

>>45989590
But then you can't have explosive turns as you'd be able to with LED. Sure, you don't NEED them, but the deck becomes significantly better with them.

>>45987133
Just build paper decks like the rest of us.

yeah I only play pauper in paper too. we use the mtgo rarities and banlist through because it is based. mtgo is a pile of shit and I would never use it or pay them a single dime, playing pauper in paper is great fun.

>>45979191
I can beat a modern deck occasionally with my Acid trip deck.
Pauper is a real fun format, I always have 2 decks in my backpack since some guys in my uni are just getting into magic, I think it's ideal for that kind of public. most strategies are simple and you don't have to scare them away by saying "please stop bending my €50 snapcaster"

>meme acid
fuck off, you are the cancer killing pauper

>>45991590
Whats wrong with reality acid? Or are you from modern general

>>45979191
>I think they'll rip Standard decks a new asshole.
This is accurate.
>Modern might be more of a challenge.
Pauper decks tend either be slightly worse overall, or faster and less consistent.

>I'm asking because I want to use my Pauper decks while no one plays it at my store.
Just come with 8+ Pauper decks and lend them out until you can convince people to get their own decks.

>>45986171
Azorious-Kitty tends to be the better deck.
But Reality Acid definitely makes the deck more fun.

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>>45991793
>lend them out

Unless I know you (and like you), you don't get to handle my woodpulp.

>>45986556
The only deck that's become expensive is Mono Black Control.
And the only two expensive cards were already semi-expensive.
Beyond that, see >>45986842

>>45991951
And burn.

>>45991951
>And the only two expensive cards were already semi-expensive.

Oubliette and ...?

>>45992033
Chainer's.

>>45992033
Chainers Edict I suppose.

>>45991856
Just lend them the cheaper decks.
>>45991973
Chain Lightning was always that expensive.
Only Rift Bolt and Lava Spike rose in price, and they barely rose.

>>45986909
I'm commenting on how if a card is banned in one format, and legal in another, then the card is probably strong.

>>45986985
same thing. For me the appeal of pauper is getting to use cards banned in modern

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>Considered foiling out my burn deck >>45982249
>Saw the price of foil Chains and Bolts

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>>45992033

Is a presence of gond a possible deck? How could it go over counter/discard builds?

I'm trying to go with that combo and another interesting idea was aristocrats.

>>45992465
It's not really a card to build around.

try looking for token-generating decks.

>>45992550
Why not? It's a two card combo, although a little bit weak... What I'm worried is for it to be too slow and fragile to control builds there is.

>>45992323
Why no oubliette online price?
Also that price jump.
>oi vey

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Maindeck 4 pyroblast and red elemental blast in my U/R Nivix Cyclops deck
Salty.mpeg
>mfw

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>>45986556
>Pauper gets more popular
>Price of the cards goes up
>People demand a supplemental product from Wizards
>"We already make more commons than any other rarity"
>mfw

>>45992789
Jesus, how many blue players are in your meta

>>45992641
Online it wasn't in Arabian Nights but in Masters Edition or something.

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>>45992608
>you play it on a dude
>i kill the dude

>>45992831
100% unless that one guy who brews shows up once a month then its more like 99%

>>45992789
What if the opponent doesn't play blue? It seems like a big risk running 4 cards that do nothing and 4 that can't be cast

>>45992915
Blast my own cards if i need to, but i dont cos its pauper, every deck is U/X

>>45992830
there are LITERALLY under a dozen expensive cards in the entire format. they could easily put them in eternal masters and bam problem solved.

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>>45992641

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>>45992831
>Jesus, how many blue players are in your meta
I agree that maindecking 8 of those sounds /slightly/ excessive, but is this a joke?

oubliette reprint when?

>>45992789
>Paper pauper
TOTALLY HARAM.

Maybe I'm crazy but did rarity always correlate so strongly with power? I swear BACK IN MY DAY rares were often rares because they did something crazy, and many good decks (at least outside of vintage) had their fair share of commons and uncommons.

I'm unsure though because now I am a cranky old man.

>>45994719
It still is official stand that rarity means the complexity of the card. Untold truth is that good cards are rare or mythic, but they fucked it up back in the early days not realizing how good for example a ponder can be.

Is it playable? Is it expensive? It's a mythic now.

>>45994935
Maybe for 1 or 2 mythics from each new set, the rest are filler junk that see play in no formats

What are good universal removals for green and white in pauper? I'm still trying to live with presence of gond dream and it seems like it basically has to be the combo + beatdown strategy deck. Mostly packing with creature cards to get value of commune with nature as hit and miss search for midnight guard. I understand qasali could be pretty good in pauper, as there is some pesky enchantments to get rid off, namely pestilence.

>>45995988
Green does not really do removal in pauper

white has journey to nowhere/oblivion ring

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>>45996141
journey to nowhere it is then. I had completely forgotten it was common.

Now I need efficient utility creatures for GW. Basically this is the shell so far and I'm having doubts it would ever work.

>>45996291
Maybe guardian of the guildpact, protection from monocolor works well in pauper

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For you paper pauper players out there, what deck boxes do you use for your decks?

Pic related is what I use, no regrets

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>>45981199
I recall somebody on /tg/ posting pics of the Scions they had been speculating on, after it got revealed as a common in the last Modern Masters set. Was pretty funny to see somebody that analblasted about a new pauper card.

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>mfw I don't live on a jewish continent

>>45997336
But anon, its pauper, you should only be playing with foil/judge/fnm versions of the cards, therefore the rare foil versions of the reprinted common are the only playable version

>>45997556
Doesn't Europe have a bigger Peasant scene than it does Pauper?

>Paid $5 each for the foil ftv:20 mythic version of chainers a year ago
Wew lad

>>45997645
Never heard from of a Peasant scene, but there are 2 nearby stores that try to start a weekly Pauper tournament and I already orderd a playset of Chainers for like 6€ that's why I'm surprised how it can be this expensive in the US.

>>45996603
I was thinking more on the level of Selesnya evangel or Steward of Valeron. I have to admit having a protection of monocolored sounds very convincing for pauper. Would appreciate some more ideas.

Too much tron in meta. Time to stop playing Jeskai Kitty and start playing tortured existence I suppose

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>>45996687

>>45996687
Boxes? I dont even play with sleeves, its pauper, i just put 2 rubber bands around the deck and carry it in my jacket pocket

>>45996687
I may run Halimar Depths in High Tide, but I'm not quite as ballsy as >>45998427
Pro-Matte sleeves and Zip-Lock Bags.

Anyone here got experience with pauper EDH? Love the idea of pauper but cbf with 1v1 formats

>>45998882
Edh pauper is pretty fun, trying to find broken commander combos as you can have any common or uncommon creature as your commander

>>45996687
I use thew single deck version of that box

>>45991590
Did someone get burned by the acid?

>>45991590
>implying Acid Trip is better than AzoriousKitty

>be me
>want to play pauper
>no stores have commons
>people wont send commons on puca
>not paying $3-$5 per card on ebay
What do?

>>46001656
>no stores have commons
Every nearby FLGS keeps complete inventory of all of their cards except non-basic lands down to commons and conditions.
Am I the weird one, or are you?

>What do?
Bulk order from sites with obnoxious markups?

*except basic lands >_>

>>46001864
Well they have commons just out of pretty much every common thats used in pauper

>>46002083
Go to a Friendly Distant Game Store, or make a large enough or fish through Amazon for hours until you've picked enough product to qualify for free shipping.
At least you have a local Pauper playgroup.

>>46002165
Yeah there's at least 10 people a week to play, it looks fun, they pay $5 each to enter and winner takes it all in store credit, lgs doeant mins because they make money and the players dont mind cos it looks fun as fuck

>>45995988
gut shot
sunlance
[a shit ton of green cards that kill fliers]
lignify
curse of chains
oblivion ring

depends what yr lookin for

>>46002301
Ive had luck with Celeatial flare too, sacrifice effects in white wew lad

>>46001656
Bite the bullet and order from a site, at least that's what I did, cause shipping to ausfailia is dumb. At the risk of being called a shill, adventureson has some cheap commons.

>>45996687
My friend made me a big wooden mtg box for my birthday one year. Woodburned on the top to have Unhinged Swamp on it. I put all my decks in there. The thing is seriously beautiful, I always feel proud when I open that bad boy up like a treasure chest.

It's the small things, for me.

>>46002344
Err celestial flare, stupid phone

>>45979191
>playing
Soul Sisters. It's seriously my favorite deck in modern, and it wasn't hard to downgrade it for pauper. I love getting big and beefy life totals.

Pauper is what got me into magic. My friend got me into the game with pauper decks, and helped me build my own.

we only have one pauper tournament a month at my LGS, but I always show up.

>.>45992465 Is a presence of gond a possible deck?
Yes, just found this while trying to build a list of deck types.
>http://deckstats.net/decks/1904/430873-pauper-gond-twin/en

The mana base is a tad wonky though.
Swap the fetches for more refuges, and I'm not sure the Druid of the Anima is helpful.
Maybe switch it for a cheaper mana dork?

>How could it go over counter/discard builds?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Why is UB Teachings suck a weird deck?

>>46002429
Do you have a list? I still have an unfinished Modern Soul Sisters deck lying around that I might convert to Pauper.

>>46003131
4 Squad Hawk
4 Soul Warden
4 Soul's attendant
4 Doomed Traveller
2 Suture priest
2 selfless cathar

2 Beckon Apparition
2 Journey to nowhere
4 Raise the Alarm
3 Guardian's Pledge
4 Battle Screech
2 Ramosan Rally
3 Triplicate Spirits

17 plains, 3 secluded steppes

you could cut out the suture priests for Icatian Javelineers, or replace the mainboard Beckon apparitions for gather the townsfolk.

sideboard is up to you, of course. Patrician's Scorn is probably an auto-include in the side.

Just looking at the creatures, I'm sure you can see how similar the shell is for modern soul sisters, but in pauper, you rely on your pump spells more to end the job, which would be Serra Ascendant's job in modern.

>have oubliette
>have chainer's edict
>wonder why they're spiking
>it's pauper

Do you faggots think you're going to make the price raise any more, or should I dump these things while they're hot?

>>46003531
They'll probably keep going up, but not by much more.

>>45981532
It's not a meme format, one of my LGS does pauper every Friday for FNM.

Announcing your sage is a banable offence.

>>46003753
>It's not a meme format
He didn't call it one.
Quit projecting,
you're making us look bad.

>>45992323
Don't forget how expensive chain lightning us!

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>>45981532
>>46003825

Are you okay anon? I'm worried about you.

>>46003853
I thought >>46003753 was replying to >>46003531.
please no judge

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>>46003829
See >>45986556 and >>45991951
More specifically:
>The only deck that's become expensive is Mono Black Control.
Also >>45991973 and >>45992101

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>>46003873
We're watching you, citizen.

>>46003897
Didn't the speculators spike battle screech too?

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>>46003949

>>46003989
Jews getting desperate desu

>>46004047
That's not desperation, it's leisure.

>>46004069
That jump was pure and utter jewery desu, the card's been pauper legal for years before that.

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>>45979191
holy shit a pauper thread

time to post my brew

4 Faultgrinder
4 Mulldrifter
4 Stingmoggie
4 Smokebraider
4 Brighthearth Banneret
2 Coal Stoker
1 Inner-Flame Igniter

4 Compulsive Research
4 Snap
4 Exhume
3 Nameless Inversion

5 Mountain
4 Island
2 Swamp
2 Bajuka Bog
3 Evolving Wilds
4 Izzet Boilerworks
1 Rakdos Carnarium
1 Dimir Aquaduct

Elemental Land Destruction Reanimator

R8 pls

also how do I make my land base better

>>45982017
sweet dino deck bro

>>46004091
*That's not jewish desperation, it's jewish leisure.
>>46004096
Seems worse than Acid Trip, and Acid Trip is already cutting quality for land destruction.
But I haven't looked at your deck too closely, give me a minute for a better assessment.

>>46004139
still a work in progress and I'm sure the Coal Stokers, Igniter, and Stingmoggies could be something a lot stronger

>>46004170
>Coal Stokers, Igniter, and Stingmoggies could be something a lot stronger
Coal Stoker isn't anything to write home about, but it /might/ work better than rituals.
Stingmogie does what you need to at a semi-reasonable cost.
Igniter should either be 2 of or cut.
You'd be better served by Preordain or Sea Gate Oracle than by Compulsive Research.

For your mana base, use:
4 Izzet Boilerworks
3 Rakdos Carnarium
2 Bloodfell Caves
2 Swiftwater Cliffs
4 Mountain
2 Island
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Desert

You /need/ black mana, but you don't need much and you don't need it early.
Between how light you blue and black are and your lack and graveyard play,
fetches aren't doing anything for you. No reason to turn down free life gain.
Be sure to bounce your refuges when you can get away with it.

>>46004288
Research lets me dumb guys in the grave for Exhume tho. And the two bogs let me keep stuff out of their grave when I exhume

>>46004300
*dump

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>>46004300
If they're Exhuming into /anything/ worthwhile they have a very strange deck.
The kind you should be sideboarding Relic of Progenitus for.

And I honestly hadn't considered using Research to pitch Faultgrinder.
Between Banneret and Smokebraider I hadn't even considerd that you wouldn't be evoking it.

Speaking of evoke, I'm not sure ho I missed it earlier but, mainboard 4 Ghostly Flickers.
Worst case scenario you hit Smokebraiders to net 4 mana from CMC 3.
Best case scenario you respond to Faultgrinder or Mulldrifter's sac trigger, which gives you a second etb trigger and keeps the creature alive.
You can also flicker your opponents dudes for summoning sickness in a pinch.

>>46004361

You can't Ghostly Flicker other people's cards..

*Average case scenario you hit a Smokebraider and a Mulldrifter/Faultgrinder.
Which draws 2 or destroys a land for a net cost of 1.
I hear that's good.

And be sure to skew more of your mana base towards Blue if you add those.

>>46004388
It's 2am and I'm tired.
It still does everything the deck wants.

>>46004361
there's like one local pauper reanimator player that I like to be ready for.

And hit Smokebraiders for 4 mana? Not sure I get what you're saying

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>>46004414
Hitting two Smokebraiders, though now that I'm thinking about it you don't have any elemental with Flash ... so that's just pointless.
I guess if your second flicker was junk you'd aim for a basic, a refuge, or the bog?

Speaking of flickering off of evoke,
if you don't feel it imposes to heavily on the deck,
cutting the exhumes for more flicker effects would probably be an improvement?
At that point you could cut black and run 4x B-list Tendo Ice Bridge which /really/ simplifies your mana base.

>>46004470
I just need to go back through all the common Elementals and see if anything might improve that kind of strategy. Generator Servant might be cool even. Idk it's 5 am where I'm from and I can't think about this right now

>>46004522 Nice dubs?
Well, at this point the thread should be alive in the morning.
Let's discuss it then, I'm trying the make a UB Teachings deck, so I'll post that then too.

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>>46003897
Thanks pucatrade, dumped my theros rares before they rotated and picked up some junk for my trunk

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Holy shit!
it's Mark "The nose" Rosewater!
He demands you to post your shitbrew before he decides to care about pauper!

>>46004818
WAIT MARK CHECK OUT MY SICK VAMPIRE AGGRO

>>45988301
so you play legacy and vintage?
because theyre the only formats with access to more cards than pauper

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>>46004818

What is this I hear about speculators speculating about pauper prices?

My FLGS only has standard pauper which kinda sucks, any other deck i can make with the cards in standard atm that isn't green ramp or goblins?

>>46005558
That sounds awful. Jeskai prowess maybe. Is ruse cruise banned in this format?

>>46005558
Or mardu midrange. there's removal, card advantage and some good value creatures ponyback brigade, gurmag angler)

>>46005662
nothing's banned as long as its common and is standard

>>45986171
I don't understand completely. Do you use it to destroy land or to destroy creatures?

>>46007331
Either!

>>46004096
I like this list, have you been testing it out?

>>45992789
I think I've got the perfect deck for you: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/i-hate-colors-1/

No wincons, because fuck that too.

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>>46004818

Posting my Shitbrews

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>>46004818

>>46009389
>>46009411
Holy kek, these memes.

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>>46004818

>>46009452
We've only just begun

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>>46004818

>>46009475
>implying that's not a legit deck

Someone should post the Splice combo deck. It's dank

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>>46009389
This is an old decklist, this is the new list, you need chittering rats for a proper lock.

>>46009536
I've been toying with it and it seems to do fine, how come no one plays it?

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>>46004818

>>46009653
UB gurmag is better.

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>>45996687

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>>46009833
also this

>>46005176
Battle Screech: Worthless -> $4
Chainer's Edict: Worthless -> $5 -> $10
Oubliette: $10 -> $30

There's a few other thing's that went up,
but not by more than 50¢.

>>46005903
At least decks are only ~$10?
>>46008698
>No wincons, because fuck that too.
But then you don't get to screw over good decks!
No, wait ... you can just swing with your merfolk.
>Lack of wincons is a bitch, though. Maybe Benthic Giant or Whirlwind Adept should be played instead of the Tidal Visionary...
Try both ways, I guess. I'd try Whirlwind Adept first, just to call the deck Hate Fish.

Sideboard aside, I'm honestly not sure you need all of your cantrip paint, let alone 4x paint-on-a-stick dorks.
The only matchup I see you needing /that much/ paint for is MBC, and even then it's not much help if you can't counter spells.
Maybe run some draw control?

>>45993276
The format is exploding in popularity right now because people want to play formats competitively and not spend a thousand. If new standard is not cheaper than current standard (aka the standard where events simply don't fire) people will rush into pauper because it is sanctioned and a "solved" (read: net deckable) format. All low print run commons will shoot up in price a la ancient stirrings or chromatic star. I think 10 is the ceiling on any modern border common due to pauper demand. Obviously oub shows older printings are more fickle.

>tfw the rush to spike in whatever format possible will fuck pauper prices up and mtgfinance will start doing pauper penny specs

>tfw wizards will literally never do anything to support pauper no matter how popular it is; they will probably actively choose against reprinting staples due to newer lower power levels and "limited environments"

>>46010905
To add to this: why do they want a lower power level in standard and in drafts? They did this back in kamigawa, and it was terrible. People want to play good cards, which might not be good enough for Modern, Legacy and Vintage, but are powerful enough against themselves to make every choice count.

>>46011014
I personally have two theories; one being that wizards is trying to actively phase out eternal format support and therefore is simply not considering it whatsoever.gives them the freedom to desin each standard to whatever they want.at the moment their market research shows people like uninteractive aggro, so removal and counterspells suck.

Or, wizards is hoping to eventually create a new modern. Again, let's them cultivate a meta more than modern which is a mess that they are actively ignoring at the moment by being hypersafe with printing playables (every playable in recent sets simply has alternative super cheap costs that they historically have a really hard time balancing, like delve or eldrazi). Otherwise innistrad is the last set with a large amount of eternal playables, and even that block was mostly concentrated in the large set and relatively shit in the two smaller. This one is kind of unlikely but I'm sure is probably an office meme one or two of the guys keeps writing on the white board in their cubicle office.

They are reporting the best sales ever atm. No matter how much recent sets sucks, it sells. Hell I have to admit the recent limited environments are quite interesting and fun and buy into it

>>46004522
>Generator Servant might be cool even.
It looks pretty good as a 3 of?

>>46004470 (cont.)
The only real options for additional flicker effects are pic related.
Saving Grasp doesn't exploit evoke in quite the right way, but it is really cheap, so whatever.

>>46011014
If they keep Standard and Limited weak, they are /far/ less likely you screw up Standard.
Near as I can tell, it is a way for them to cut corners and reduce the effort (and cost) of designing a set.
Also, they design their sets 3 years ahead of time, and don't like to make late changes.
So it might be that they will reprint pauper staples in the relatively distant future.

New to pauper. Any good decks in WB, RG, BG, or GU?

>>46010905
Oubliette gets a pass because arabian nights is old as fuck and will always be valuable.

>>46011473
>BG
dredge

your library lives in the graveyard

who doesn't love 5/5's for 1 black mana on turn 3

>>46009594
I played against this earlier today, it was super unfun and the game basically went to time game 1. So I just ragequit.

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>>46004096
>>46011267 (cont.)
So if you are OK with flickering instead of reanimating,
this still needs a bit of work but how does this look?


4 Faultgrinder
4 Mulldrifter
3 Stingmoggie
4 Smokebraider
4 Brighthearth Banneret
3 Generator Servant
2 Coal Stoker

3 Preordain
4 Ghostly Flicker
3 Momentary Blink
4 Saving Grasp
3 Lightning Bolt

4 Crumbling Vestige
4 Izzet Boilerworks
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Evolving Wilds
5 Mountain
3 Island
1 Plains

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so old

>>46011819
>guildgates

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>>46011886
Nothing really better when I made the deck. If I was to rebuild it there'd be alot of changes.

what does white weenie look like in this format

>>46011983
equipment heavy or paired with Red.

>>46008503
not a ton, but I've played against tron a decent bit which it obviously wrecks

>>46009877
what is cats name pls

>>46005176
>>46009901

>Speculating on common cards

Absolute madmen
Soon enough a good pauper deck will be $200

>>46012416
blini

>>46011657
I like this list a decent bit, but I would still leave snap in every day of the week. It lets us make a ton of mana while putting a Faultgrinder back into our hand, and we could also put one of their guys back in their hand while making enough mana for a big play of our own

>>46012497
This list is only running four bounce lands.
I suppose Snap might fit nicely if we cut the fetches and plain for 3 W/x bounces?
We'd probably cut 1 Saving Grasp, and maybe 1 Stinkmogie &// 1 Ghostly Flicker?

>>45992789
Guttural Response reprint at common when?

>>45992830

Looks like Journey to Nowhere is on the rise, grab them now before they become the next Chainer's Edict

>>46013838
that would probably be more effective, yes

snap too good

>>46014246
Chainer's edict was only printed once as an uncommon over ten years ago. It makes sense that the price rose as pauper became more popular.

Would Cloudshift work in Reality Acid? Or is that card with flashback better?

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here's my take on grixis delver in pauper, what do you people think?

>>46015618
16 cantrips seems way too much. I'd cut the preordains for a killspell package.

Eg. 1 Ghastly Demise, 2 Chainer's Edict (and a third in the SB) 1 firebolt/Staggershock.

If you notice problems with specific decks you can tune those flexspots however you like (Eg. Agony Warp, Disfigure, Electrickery)

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>>45979191
Love this art, it's so brutal. And they even removed the blood and warmed the color.

Look at this shit
BRUTAL
AS
FUCK

>>46011956
>calling it Shroudfang
>not Ninjablast
cool deck tho

GIVE ME DECKS THAT USE PUTRID LEECH

Seriously, it's badass and one of the best creatures I can think of in common.

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>>46012416
Roly.

>>46015571
>Would Cloudshift work in Reality Acid?
You can't get to expensive, but you don't need to be cheap.
First and foremost your goal is card advantage.
Try it if you want, but it's definitely not 4 of.
>Or is that card with flashback better?
Way better.
You /will/ be recurring it.

*too

>>46011580
>5/5s
try 6/6s with trample

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>>46017308

>>46017342
>Dragon fang, dragon breath exhume fun
I need it.

Also: Anyone up for cockatrice?

>>46017308
>>46017342
that's a super neat piece of tech

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>>46016362

See

>>46009529

as well as the picture attached.

Strength of Night can be a HUGE blowout

>>46017645
Holy shit, it's the Zombie deck I built ages ago, but optimized. I had completely forgotten about Strength of the Night.
I'm building this next, when I order the stuff I need for my B/G Delver. Thanks anon.

>>46017645
For this list you should swap out Sultai Emissary for Butcher Ghoul, it works better with Strength of the Night.

Sultai Emissary only seems good in the mono black variant of Zombies

>>46017645
>>46017687
Any thought for Infernal Caretaker?

>>46009536
also requesting this
it's pretty cool

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>>46017773
I like the card, but a 7 mana investment is a lot to sink to get cards back. I'd definitely run it in a sac heavy build, or maybe a deck running tortured existence, the card seems only truly worth it if we have more than 5 Zombies to recover (See Death Denied, a similar more flexible card sans getting back Nameless Inversion)

Ghoulraiser and Ghoulcaller's Chant I feel make extra recursion redundant.

>>46017645


This list is by no means a definitive list, I literally took my mono black Zombie build and swapped some stuff out. There's a lot of flexibility.

>>>46004555 Let's discuss it then, I'm trying the make a UB Teachings deck, so I'll post that then too.
Here it is, a whole mess of creatureless singletons.
Win condition is [Evicar's Justice and Pristine Talisman] or [Curse of the Bloody Tome], probably off of [Capsize].
Suggestions?

4 Mystical Teachings
2 Probe
2 Think Twice
1 Whisper of the Muse

4 Counterspell
2 Exclude
2 Prohibit
1 False Summoning
1 Remove Soul
1 Essence Scatter
1 Rewind

4 Diabolic Edict
2 Agony Warp
2 Echoing Decay
2 Evincar's Justice
1 Ghastly Demise
1 Tragic Slip

1 Curse of the Bloody Tome
1 Capsize
3 Pristine Talisman

2 Barren Moor
2 Halimar Depths
4 Dismal Backwater
4 Dimir Aqueduct
1 Bojuka Bog
6 Island
3 Swamp

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>>46009901
>tfw already snagged the two battle screech I needed for white weenie

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>>46004818
Prepare for only rats: the deck. Also open to advice, its just something I whipped up when I heard about pauper. It seems like a lot of fun using all the commons and stuff I have lying around.

>>46017773
It's interesting, but I feel it might be too slow for the deck. Maybe as a one-of for those drawn-out games?

>>46017837
I'm going to leave the first list I found here:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ug-arcane-combo-deck/

>>46018181
I'm not familiar enough with your deck to tweak it,
but any significant refinement will take you to Mono Black Control or UB Teachings.

If you'e set on Rats what you have should be fine-ish.
Otherwise, you would save time by brewing MBC or Teachings with slight emphasis on rats.

>>46018318
I like the green psuedo-High Tide enchantments, hadn't even considered doing that.
While Petals of Insight / Psychic Puppetry is cute, even 2 Dampen Thoughts will slow you down too much.

>>46018318
This is pretty neat, I just goldfished it and it gets out of hand very quickly

>>46018542
But you have to win somehow, no? And it's not my list by the way.

>>46018635
>But you have to win somehow, no?
... I'll admit that I'm a bit biased to High Tide wincons.

I posted my High Tide deck earlier in the thread.
It also splices Psychic Puppetry, but it's not predominantly an Arcane deck.
The win condition is infinite mana into infinite recursion into infinite targeted card draw.

But more importantly than how it wins,
every card in the win condition would have made the cut without being part of the win condition.
So I'm (effectively) dedicating zero cards to my wincon, which does wonders for consistency.

As a DD of 2pak what's the best thing to overcharge?

>>46018402
Huh, looking at it, there are a lot of similarities between my deck and Mono Black Control.

But that much for Oubliettes? Damn, I was giving pauper a shot to keep it cheap.

>>46018946
You could run MBC without Oubliettes then add them in later?
>Damn, I was giving pauper a shot to keep it cheap.
The only other expensive deck is Burn, if that makes you feel any better.

>>46018946
Oubliette is a SB choice for MBC, MBC does not need Oubliette as a lot of time it's just a shittier o-ring.

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>>46009529
>>46009658
>>46018181
>>46009475
>>46009411
>>46009389
>>46005091
>>46004952
>>46009676
Nice work kids!
All seems fine and good, however I can't je- I mean 'fun', balanced format.
I'm back fixing modern boys!
Buy SoI!

>>46020634
It's a worse (but devoted and on color) Journey to Nowhere, not an Oblivion Ring.

>>46020704
Good point.
It's only nice for the devotion, but having 2 less devotion and instead a final killspell tends to do the trick better imho.

Downside: Oubliette is an awesome word.

>>46020702
MARK PLEASE

WE NEED MORE OLD RARE TO COMMON DOWNGRADES

MARK

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>>46020826
And I want to ban dredge but R&D won't let me do it again.

We can't have everything. Pendulums and shit, just wait a few years for when I get replaced with nagle and he gets high on crack and makes broken shit at common.

>>46020702 >>46020826 >>46020892
I'm taking a moment to nominate Shared Fate in advance.

>>46020928
Shared Fate is too wild and crazy to be a common

>>46020892
>>46004096

MARK

MAKE SHRIEKMAW AN COMMON

THAT ONE ONLY HAS TO GO DOWN ONE TIER

>>46020702
Dammit, you know I'm gonna buy SOI and hate you every minute of it

>friend told me about pauper
>it seems cheap
>give it a try and make a goblin deck with cards that I have I still need two more bushwhacker fuck
>meta 80% monoU, 19% monoB and 1 guy playing tron
CAN'T WAKE UP.jpg

>>46022652
goblins has a pretty good match against those decks

>>46022652
see >>46008698

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How underwhelming is Merchant Scroll in UB Teachings?

>>46022652
>that's the actual meta in your area
holy shit make delver fiend crush everyone

>>46022901
It's an uncommon.

>>46022834
As I say I'm new to the format so I don't know what cards are they going to play
also I didn't know about goblin grenade being illegal but some guy told me and need to change with other cards
who the fuck think about that fucking rat being common or that fucking fairies

>>46022652
Red elemental blast and pyroblast, hell dont even play a goblin first turn to counter their turn 1 brainstorm then lick the salty tears from your opponents cheeks

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>>46022931
Gatherer calls the Homelands version a common.

>>46023009
>>46022844
Can't play red elemental blast because we play with Magic Online pauper rules ;_;

>>46023009
Dont forget about active volcano too, destroy a blue permanent or return an island to their hand

>>46023099
I thought it was an Uncommon(C1), but I have no idea of what this really means. Why would you need 4 more tutors that can't get all the answers you could possibly need?

>>46023103
pyroblast is legal and is a-okay

>>46022964
My store does allow goblin grenade and boy is it a nightmare

But just use flameslash instead of grenades, not as good but it still kills many things.

>>46009676
haha what the hell is this decks win condition? does it actually not have one?

>>46023506
IT looks like it removes their board state and uses the 1/2 dudes to recur enough spells to force the other player to draw their whole library?

>>46023137
>Why would you need 4 more tutors that can't get all the answers you could possibly need?
I don't need 8 tutors, I was wondering how 5-6 would do for consistency.
4 Teaching + 1 Merchant / 4 Teaching + 2 Merchant / 3 Teaching + 2 Merchant, somewhere around there

>I thought it was an Uncommon(C1), but I have no idea of what this really means.
That's related to how old cards were printed and distributed into boosters.
There sued to be a "common print sheet" and an "uncommon print sheet".
A certain number of card slots in each booster came randomly from the common sheet, and a certain number came randomly from the uncommon sheet.
The physical number of cards printed per print sheet and the number of unique cards in each set varied by set, but almost all cards appeared 2 or times on their respective print sheets.
"C1" means the card appeared on the common print sheet exactly once, which makes it "rarer" (in terms of frequency in boosters) than some cards on the set's uncommon sheet.

There are also some cards (like Mishra's Factory and Strip Mine) which were printed on both sheets.
These cards were more rare than C3s but less rare than C2s, putting their frequency distinctly within "common".

But all of that is separate from how Gatherer assigns rarity.
Gatherer assigns rarity in an internally consistent manner within sets, but not between sets.

tl;dr Gatherer a shit.
Also, my playgroup (as with most) uses Gatherer rarities for simplicity.


>>46023506
The win condition is even specially boxed off...
>Archaeomancer/Ghostly Flicker/High Tide/High Tide/High Tide --> Infinite Mana
>Archaeomancer/Archaeomancer/Ghostly Flicker --> Infinite Recursion
>Compulsive Research --> Targeted Draw (read: Mill)
and not really essential for all matchups deck, but
>Eye of Nowhere --> One Sided Board Wipe

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Me and a friend are going to make some decks using MTGO card pool and rules. Any card banned or valid in MTGO goes. Is this smart?

I've seen all kinds of banlists, rules, custom banned lists and all other kinds of stupid around the net. Doesn't this way male much more sense?

Are the people complaining about stale meta retards?

>>45982583
I got sold onto manaless Dredge specifically because of some guys who shared lists a couple Eternal Generals ago. This was the list one of them left, free of ridiculously-priced LEDs.

4 Grave Troll
3 Golgari Thug
4 Narcomoeba
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Putrid Imp
3 Tireless Tribe
4 Ichorid
1 Flame-Kin Zealot
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria

4 Bridge from Below

4 Cabal Therapy
4 Careful Study
3 Faithless Looting
3 Breakthrough
2 Dread Return

4 Mana Confluence
4 Cephalid Coliseum
4 Gemstone Mine

Sideboard
3 Chain of Vapor
3 Nature's Claim
2 Pithing Needle
2 Echoing Truth
1 Ancestor's Chosen
1 Ashen Rider
1 Elesh Norn
1 Terastodon
1 Firestorm

>>46025378
>manaless
>Confluence, Coliseum, etc.

Whoops, sorry, pasted the wrong list, but you get the idea. It can be built LEDless.

>>46025378
You don't really have what I'd called manaless dredge, but still fun deck. Hope you enjoy it anon.

>>46025166
>Is this smart?
Not at all.

>Me and a friend are going to make some decks using MTGO card pool and rules.
If you're playing paper you shouldn't crimp you cardpool.
The common that have yet to be released online haven't been held back with the format in mind.
They just haven't been released /yet/. You're just hurting deck variety.

>Any card banned or valid in MTGO goes.
Those cards are banned for a very good reason.
>Cloud of Faeries
is a good ritual on an evasive body.
It does silly things to aggro and storm counts.
>Cloudpost
could just as easily be allowed with Glimmerpost banned.
But Pauper 8post vastly outshines Pauper tron, and tron is on par.
>Cranial Plating
... I don't actually remember why this got banned.
There was probably a good reason?
>Empty the Warrens
has no answers in pauper.
(An storm counts are extremely easy to raise in Pauper)
>Frantic Search
is a decent ritual on great dig.
It saw play in most blue decks (read: most decks).
It was crazy in storm, but IIRC it was banned for being absolutely bananas in High Tide.
>Grapeshot
see Empty the Warrens
>Invigorate
Turn 2 Infect: Game of the Year Edition: The Every Year Edition
>Temporal Fissure
got banned before Cloud of Faeries, and I think it got banned before Frantic Search?
You could try allowing it, but I seriously doubt it would end well (and again, see Empty the Warrens)
>Treasure Cruise
is too good for Legacy.

>Are the people complaining about stale meta retards?
Not completely? The meta isn't great, but they're exaggerating.

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>>46025699
Cloudpost isn't banned where I play. Anyone know any cool decks I could make with my playset of it and Glimmerpost?

>>46025836
Look at Tron decks, then pretend you're faster and get decent lifegain.

>>46025166
>Doesn't this way male much more sense?
It makes sense, but it doesn't make enough sense.
Just used the MTGO banlist and Gatherer's rarity like everybody else.

>I've seen all kinds of banlists, rules, custom banned lists and all other kinds of stupid around the net.
The most common custom banlist is assigning rarity consistently for old cards (see >>46023879).
This makes more sense than using Gatherer, but it's tedious, no one does it.

The next most common change is to not use the online ban list.
Which works if your playgroup can collectively agree to not be pillocks.
But if that falls through (like it would at a FLGS tournament, for instance) the meta will get stale faster than bread,

The only other custom banlisting I've seen is house banning Dark Ritual, which used to happen before it was released in MTGO.
People just assumed it was good enough in the format to warrant a ban. It wasn't.

>>46025662
Cranial Plating with Artifact lands is absurd

>>46025940
Riiiiiight. Affinity.
I'm amazed i forgot about that.

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My friends wanted me to play Pauper with them this week. So I made this janky wolf deck.

r8 and h8 pls

>>46026134
A bit too slow for aggro.
And MBC will rip you several new assholes.
Feel free to try it though.

>>46026134
you'll be getting your ass handed hard.
Did you thought 'because it's cheap, it's for casual, i can make shitty tribal decks and kick some ass' ?
You're in for a night of disapoitment.
Take a look at proven decklists :
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/pauper/full#paper

>>46025933
So just use the MTGO banlists and everything else goes? What about uncommons that are Commons in MTGO? Vice versa?

It just seems using MTGO as the guideline would be best, even if it added Commons later.

>>46025662
>Treasure Cruise
I still wonder who thought that was a good idea.

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The most recent big tournament for Pauper used MTGOs banlist and card pool.

>>46026306
>What about uncommons that are Commons in MTGO?
Gatherer lists MTGO exclusive sets, so it will identify these as commons.
>Vice versa?
I don't play MTGO, but I'm pretty sure it use's Gatherer's list.

>>46026317
What are the odds that the most recent big torunament for Pauper was /in/ MTGO?

*I don't play MTGO, but I'm pretty sure it use's Gatherer's list to check rarity.
So IIRC you can use cards that aren't available at common in MTGO in Pauper if they're available at common in paper.

>>46026303
Will I be as disappointed as I am with your spelling, or worse?

If Pauper is just $10 Modern/Legacy, I'll just stick to Modern and Legacy. What a meme format.

>>46026403
I think he was refering to the card kingdom event

>>46026483
seems like i triggered this faggot :^)

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>>46026483
>If Pauper is just $10 Modern/Legacy,
It's (mostly) $20-40
And it's slightly more forgiving of janky rogue decks.
Only slightly though.
>I'll just stick to Modern and Legacy.
To each their own.
>What a meme format.
Are you seriously getting into a huff about cardgame formats having established metas?
If you want to play casual, just play casual.
Also, pic related.

>>46026134
>>46026303
Yeah fuck you and your cards, do you think this is a motherfucking game? Do you think you are supposed to have fun instead of crushing your opponent into submission? Go back to fluxx pleb

>>46026452
No. Because of MTGO being the main place anyone is playing pauper, everyone uses the same card pool and banlist as MTGO. People know they can simply copy their deck for local pauper. The biggest pauper paper tourny just used MTGO format, as it should be now.

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>>46022652
>yfw goblins is actually favored vs monoU and a wee bit vs monoB
ayyy spark smith

>>46023099
>>46022931
It's NOT common online.
So it's NOT allowed.
Same with high tide.

>>46025378
>>46025494
That's just the old LEDless (I prefer to play next level desu).

LEDs are so good now with faithless.

>>46029637
Amen. I hate people trying to divide the pauper scene. Unite under the MTGO card pool and banlist!

>>46029637
>>46029903
b-but it's so complicated.

>>46030237
It's not.
Choke on a dick pekka.

>>46030292
How do I explain to other people that my Edicts and Wurms are common online and therefore I can use them in my Pauper deck, even though they were never printed with a black symbol?

>>46030307
"Because pauper is an online born format and it's regulated by the online printing policy"


If spaniards can grasp this anyone can fucking grasp this concept.

>>46030331
I'm not so sure about that, anon, my friends might be smart enough, but last time I brought my Pauper deck (a U/R Tron) to the store, I played with normal decks and they focused me because "you might play an Emrakul or a Karn", even though I explained to them I had nothing but commons in my deck. One of them played a fucking Mana Vault turn 1 and was complaining about my Ulamog Crusher, ffs

>>46030348
Anon.
Have you offered them to play EDH? that'd be their speed.

Jesus fuck that's a new level of retard.