MtG Modern General

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>>45302256

Affinity + Ensnaring Bridge + Tezzeret, AoB

Eat shit Eldrazi.

>>45302256
>Submit or face annihilation
>Posts an Eldrazi that doesn't have annihilator.
Anon, are you even fucking trying?

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>ban the current good decks
>push the newest pack to make a 1 deck meta
>but don't even make cheap reprints at a reasonable rate so everything stays inflated as fuck
Where were you when Wizards became even worse than Konami

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>a griselbrand enters the store

>>45302305
New fag here.

Is Eldrazi is to MTG as the Eldar Wraith Host is to 40K?

>>45302338
eldrazi are the chaos gods, or at the very least their highest level demon avatar forms.

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So guys what was your favorite part of this pro tour? My favorite was turning Reality Smasher from Oath of the Gatewatch™ sideways!

What are the odds that the next WOTC-made meme deck will just stomp the shit out of Eldrazi?

>>45302377
Go home, Maro, you're drunk.

Remember how everyone was saying that Eldrazi was just Star City trying to push their excess BfZ stocks off on people because of the expedition lottery?

>>45302377
thought nazi is my waifu

>>45302377
I hate this turn sideways meme

>>45302387
Unless it also somehow has 4 Ancient Tombs and 4 Mishra's Workshops, impossible.

>>45302377

obviously Round 3 of LSV vs Frank Lepore

https://youtu.be/oJEc2zTzI1Q?t=817

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>>45302429

Then stop playing Magic.

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>>45302256
You can't even race me

>>45302429
I am on your side.
It is stupid to castigate a game for turning one type of card sideways when the game cannot be played without turning things sideways.

Smasher is such a pretty card. I hate the Mimic but can't hate the Smasher.

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>>45302490
I don't need to race you

>>45302490

Chalice T1 on 1; Infect player scoops

>>45302408
Now they're in collusion with WotC so it's not a conspiracy anymore

Control player friend of mine keeps telling me that all I have to do as Burn against Eldrazi is to outburn them by turn 5-6, and use some spells on removing their creatures if I have to.

How do I convince him that Eldrazi outright shut down a Burn deck?

>>45302569
Show him the PT match

>>45302569

Show him the Chalice of the Void which comes down T1, and then all of your 1-Mana spells

>>45302569
>eldrazi vs burn
>i get a shitty four card hand
>get down to 3
>doesn't matter
>chalice on 1
>chalice on 2
>ping him to death with blinkmoth

>>45302621
>Rift Bolt
Get fucked, nigga

>>45302679
Doesn't matter, I drew a Thought-Knot. Doubt he could keep up.

>>45302679
If Affinity can't stop them what makes you think Burn can

>>45302679

>suspend for 1, your turn

>I swing for 21 :)

>>45302716
>>45302679
Also, game 3 I got Chalice on 1 and 2 again. He managed to get me to 1 off of a Molten Rain before I ran him over.

>>45302734

Affinity was pretty okay against them, the only other deck in the PT-Top 8 (2x Affinity/6x Eldrazi). I think my Robots can actually outrace them.

>>45302018
So what is painters servent supposed to do for you? Turn off the mimics?

>>45302795
They can't
You will see
They will all see

>>45302810
and the eyes and the temples. and vile aggregate.

>>45302810
Lol retard

>>45302810
Eye and Temple only generate mana for colorless Eldrazi spells. Servant makes all spells colored

>>45302795
ban affinity for being able to contend with eldrazi

>>45302810

Turns off Eldrazi Temple and Eye of Ugin which only work for colorless Eldrazi.

>>45302502
Thought nazi and reality shaper catch my eye every time. I love how smasher looks like a glass shard tornado but if you look closely, you can see its a centaur-like quadruped.

>affinity players
>represented in pro tour by a horsefucker

>>45302679
>>45302621
>>45302617
>>45302607
I just had a sample hand post-mulligan
2x GG
2x Swiftspear
1x Eidolon
1x Stomping Ground

Normally a hand that is worth risking on the draw, however a T1 Chalice would be an auto-concede for me.
Even on the play, if I draw into a second land then this hand is excellent, but a Chalice will also likely be an auto-concede

>>45302861
Ah, thanks man.

So, what's this talk about a new format that I've seen pop up a few times? Seems incredibly far-fetched and buttpained, but then again, everything's possible.

>>45302889
Adding to this, maybe it will be worth running mainboard Revelrys?

>>45302617
How do you cast chalice on t1 ? You need at least 2 mana

>>45302929
>butt pained

As of right now, it is just that.

>>45302941
Monkey Trouble+any anus producing land.

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>>45302941
Eye of Ugin

It knocks off two mana from corlorless spell costs, making it possible to cast Endless one, Eldrazi mimic, and Chalice for free on Turn 1.

And when you think about just how much mana it knocks off of every Eldrazi card, the value that you gain is insanely broken.

>Burn
>Beat eldrazi
They can literally have a turn 3 5/5 haste trampler.
Even if you chump and burn to finish it off you still got 3 for 1'd. And that's not even getting into the mimics, knots, skyspawners, drowners.
You could either try to race them on life and fail, or try to burn their creatures and hope they run out of gas. Even if they do, they only have to draw literally anything and have an eye out to get their gas back.

>>45302974
It's colorless eldrazi stupid.

>>45302974
Only works for colorless ELDRAZI, same with Eldrazi Temple. You need a normal land and SSG.

>>45303022
>>45303007
Ahh, well in that case Simian Spirit Guide is to blame.

>>45303022
The Temple can produce 1 colorless for non eldrazi spells stupid

>>45303022
>>45303007
Doesn't stop it from being broken.

I wish I could organize another shoah to get rid of Reddit "intellectuals" who think Big Game Hunter is +3 Card Advantage against Reality Smasher because they're fucking insipid and incapable of understanding what Card Advantage is a measure of (hint, it's in the fucking name you mongoloid inbred idiot pseudo-intellectual moron, it's the ADVANTAGE in terms of CARDS that it gives over your opponent. Board-wiping Drowner of Hope is a 1-for-1, the fact that single-target removal would be 3-for-1 does not suddenly turn Day of Judgment into +3 CA)

>>45302500
Nice incomprehension, dullard.

The "turning creatures sideways" complaints are about NOTHING OTHER THAN THAT being viable you goddamned mouthbreather

>>45303064
Both the Eye and the Temple have the same high powerlevel. The broken thing is that the eldrazi deck can use both of them at the same time.

>>45303061
so you can use chalice to shut down Little Girl decks

>>45303106
Temple won't let you cast 3 Mimics Turn 1 with a Smasher Turn 2.
Or 3 Mimics and 3 Endless Ones Turn 1

>>45303082
Then play a different format for fuck sakes

Do you whine to legacy players that you brainstorm too much or go to edh forums and complain how you have to use a general?

>>45303164
I don't use that stale meme, fucknugget. I'm just explaining why you're an idiot for not understanding what it means and represents.

I'd be making just as much fun of you for thinking "le happy merchant" is because of recent Israel-Palestine conflicts

>>45303195
>using fresh memes
Get a load o' this fag

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>>45302256
>Submit
don't make it sound so lewd fampai

>>45302307
At least it wasn't some furfag "taking the knot" bullshit

In other news, are people really trying to make prison a viable strategy? Because holy shit worship was a near bulk rare hovering at $2-3 the other day.

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/movers/paper/modern

>>45303329
>2 +22.65 SHM Painter's Servant 34.99 +184.00%
Wow, people are really excited to sideboard some anti eldrazi tech.

>>45303329
Lol so glad I bought my sideboard worship last week.
Shit can be as greasy as blood moon at times

>>45302377
And I am still reading this shit with MaRo's lisp

you got something there anon

>>45302451
It has baghdad.


And exile=graveyard.

>>45303423
I know, it's getting pretty spicy. I'll be playing eldrazi soon so I'm excited to discover what people come up with

>>45303746
Scum

>>45303841
Main board chalice and an excuse to play ratchet bomb, son. I could be playing 20 creatures named butt-plug and I'd still build it.

How does Emeria fare vs this deck?
Detention spheres, paths, verdicts, wall of omens, maybe even mainboard spreading seas.

Chalice does fuck all to it. Is it still too slow?

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This is the card that will save modern. They just need to reprint a blue version.

Also,

Annul
U
Counter artifact or enchantment

Steel Sabotage
U
Counter artifact or return artifact to hand

It seems colorless hate is rampant, but they worded it around artifacts (aka the only colorless to exist at the time). Eldrazi weren't a thing, but now that they are, I suggest...

Incredulity
U
Counter target colorless spell

Thoughts?

>>45303946
For real? Look up spell snare

>>45303973
What is that gonna do

>>45303998
Win

>>45303973
spell snare is already nice but it doesn't hate colorless, it hates 2cmc (and does a damn fine job of it)
I'm recommending a different animal.
Either that, or reprint Force Spike to punish these greedy simian spirit guide tactics

>>45304019
Against?
Will delay a turn 2 Chalice, but I don't see how it does anything against Eldrazi

>>45304056
I meant turn 1 on 1

>>45302514
It doesn't completely blow infect out though.

>>45304056
See, this is another issue... You can sideboard in artifact hate vs affinity, chalice, bridge, basically you can sb hate for all these really powerful colorless cards... as long as they're artifacts.
I would gladly accept a Smash to Smithereens that targets colorless, non-land permanents. It doesn't even have to ping or target Inkmoth, just a simple hate card to deal with this new archtype

>>45303928
Too slow, but once in a while you'll probably get a good draw and they get a slow draw and you get to feel good about yourself for a game

>>45303329
>tfw I built troll worship as a meme to troll my friends months ago

Welp guess I'm the last hope against the Eldrazi and didn't know it

>>45303946

Fuck blue.

>>45304178
>tfw I like to build jankass decks and that budget deck tech went around like a week ago and I was "going to wait until I got paid" to pick up the shit for it
Mother-fuck me.

>>45303946
I suggested that same idea in the modern thread a week or so before OGW spoilers were revealed and people were whining that it would nerf Tron too much. I was surprised they didn't print it but hope that they do in SoI. The new block generally has a couple of cards to hate out popular strategies in the old block (RIP to take out flashback, Loxodon Smiter for Liliana, Voice of Resurgence for Snapcaster etc)

>>45304178
>tfw homebrewed an Assault Formation deck that used Worship a few months ago
Feels good. I think I've only got 2 copies though.

>>45302324
wow this art is terrible

>>45303946
>Dat secret tech

Time to fill up my rending volley slots

>>45304458

His skin is made of paper

Is chalice of the void banworthy?

>>45304262
I didn't think about Karn. To be fair, fuck that golem, but since spellpierce already hurts him it could be worded as "colorless creature or (colorless?) artifact", or maybe as a soft counter, or "colorless spell with cmc 6 or less"

Idk, maybe a green Sea's Claim that only targets nonbasics, or some red colorless kill spell, a cheap white wrath for colorless creatures, fucking anything.

>>45304485
Have you ever punched concrete really hard?

>>45304497
Yes and not even for power level reasons. Broken on the play, garbage on the draw. Should be banned for turning the game into a dice roll as whoever goes first game 1 wins the match.

>>45302324
Doesn't work against grishoalbrand though

>>45302514
Nah, I win with spellskite and wild defiance, with dryad arbor backup.

>>45304510
i think there would be some blood on my bones
or my joints wouldnt just, you know, be separated cleanly

Is there a place that has all the Eldrazi artwork, without the card around it, somewhere?

I dont play Magic, have not since the first Mirrodin set, but the Eldrazi art really intrigues me.

>>45304581
The fact that there's no blood is because Magic is PG 13
And depending on the type of impact bones can burst out of your skin

>>45304600
zendikar artbook

>>45304617
i know, but i thought that my bones would break
his are just... separated like you would separate a joint from a skeleton in anatomy class

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>>45304617
For being PG-13 it sure has some nightmareish shit

>>45304524
Has it ever been used before then?

Why is it only now that I see it being played out of nowhere?

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>there are people playing rw prison to beat eldrazi
>it still loses to every single other deck

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>>45304694
You love it

>>45304617
>>45304694
One of the few times I ventured into the general forum on MTGS I saw a thread about magic art people thought was too gross or scary.

Watching a bunch of grown men whine about disturbing art on the internet was a good laugh.

>>45303069
Are we still buttmad about one shitty thread?

>>45304785
>mtg players
>grown men

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>>45304785
I love how metal the art can get without bordering on bad taste and I hate that it's getting cleaner and more sterile lately

>>45304755
It's popular in Legacy and Vintage.

It also saw play in Modern to combat Treasure Cruise Delver, but it's usually not worth the risk unless the format is really degenerate.

>>45302941
Simian Spirit Guide + any land besides Eye

>>45304824
Most of the posts on there were like
"I'm a surgeon and I'm no stranger to gore, but I think card X is just too far."
Or even better
"I'd like to have an enjoyable game of magic with my kids, but I just can't when I have to look at card Y's art."

Good stuff.

>>45304532

But it does.

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>>45304785
>>45304694
>>45305010
>there are people who complain about Phyrexians being too scary

For fuck's sake, Phyrexia was basically UberHell, a place so evil that even evil people, zombies, and demons took a look at it and said "nope"

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>>45305057
Is there a term for machine horror?

>>45305057
>if yawgmoth was still alive he wouldve been turned into a saturday morning cartoon villain for jace and co to beat every couple sets

>>45305057
I still to this day have no idea what the hell that is, legs, arms, chest cavity between....two large beaks!?

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>>45305154
Maybe Gigeresque body horror?

>>45305226
>if Yawgmoth were alive he would have gotten a Planeswalker card that costs BBBBBBB or some shit with an ult that wins the game

Does anyone have that monoblack lifeloss list form a week or two back? It used spells like bump in the night and syphon life to drain your opponants wityh the wincon being the black command I think.

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>>45305241
I found a slightly bigger image for you.

Bottom line is Phyrexia ain't gotta explain shit

>>45305010

Umm that's not at all how I remember that thread

I remember it being 90% edge lords complaining that literally nothing in all of mtg qualified as disturbing or spooky to them

>>45304831
Everything about Magic is more sterile. Bugs and Thugs? Get that <way of dismissing something based on assumptions> shit out of here, that's a BG Infect deck.

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>>45303329
>mfw watching this meta while sitting on full sets of Chalice and Urza's Saga Worship

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>>45305255
>Maybe Gigeresque body horror?
I would definitely say that thematically the phyrexians are very Gigeresque, with the focus being on the perversion of the human form by technology, but stylistically none of magic's artists actually draw like Giger.

>>45305255
I want another Coldsnap. Lore and setting was so cool. Phyrexians looked awesome.

>>45304694
Magic still has the 80's definition of PG-13, which was far more gorier than todays idea of PG-13

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>>45305466
I guess the best way to describe classic Phyrexia is like a clunky version of Gigeresque aesthetic.

Whereas Giger is all about smoothness and sex, Phyrexia is about greebles and violence.

>>45305475
I feel like lore really did take a downturn following Lorwyn-Shadowmoor.

>>45304284
Deck list? I wanted to build a similar deck. Wanna know how you did it.

>>45305648
>I feel like lore really did take a downturn following Lorwyn-Shadowmoor.
Funny you should say that because that's when they started shoehorning a new card type in every single piece of lore.

>>45305809
It's when the lore design moved from being about the hero's of the particular world, like Glissa or Karn, and started being about their "characters"

>>45305648

When did they stop writing actual books? Because that's when the lore went downhill.

>>45305809
nah that was alara. Lorwyn was about meleren and colfner and oona, etc. No planeswalkers whatsoever.

>>45305721
Not that guy, but there are plenty of possible builds that abuse Worship. My go-to in the past has been URW, but I'm considering building Bant around
4 Sylvan Caryatid
3 Geist of Saint Traft
1 Eternal Witness
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
4 Path to Exile
4 Commune with the Gods
3 Spirit Mantle
3 Worship

Caryatid is the only acceleration available that has protection from spot removal and enables a Turn 3 Worship soft lock. The only question is how hard I want to go into Blouses versus Prison.

Is legacy dead? Or is it in a better spot than modern?

>>45306029

If you live outside of a major city good luck finding a place to play it.

>>45306063
If you have a place to play it, it's way better

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>>45305809
Hah, that's right isn't it?
The Lorwyn five - Jace, Chandra, Garruk, Lili, Ajani.
Of course Lorwyn-Shadowmoor wasn't about the superfriends beating Oona.

>>45305873
Well, the next release after the Shadowmoor Cycle was Jace: the book, then Alara: the book, then Chandra: the book etc.

It looks like the two Theros books didn't even get physical releases.

>>45302979
>They can literally have a turn 3 5/5 haste trampler.
Turn 1 is actually possible, better t2 though with double mimic t1 and tks, swing for 19/t2

>kill amulet bloom t2 kills
>enable eldrazi aggro t2 kills
wizards did it again

>>45302377
And PUNCH! Wow another exciting match! Let me tell you, these matches may not be long, but they are FILLED to the BRIM with action and they are EXCITING!

>>45306206
It's not aggro, it's combo.

>>45306206
Has someone mathed the chance of Eldrazi T2 kills?

>>45306206
No you see, it doesn't cast instants or sorceries so this is Good Magic

>>45306557
I haven't done the math but it's probably fairly low, I'd wager in the ~3-5% area. Turn three kills however spike up quite a lot, especially if the opponent has nothing on their turn two, or something you can gutshot/dismember away. The chance of a T3 kill is likely somewhere around 20% or more.

>>45306638
It's probably way less than that, you need 7 specific cards for a turn 2 kill.
It's probably about the same odds as Infect killing turn 2

>>45306557
Just calculate the chances of drawing into two Mimics and an Eye. Anything the deck does from there will be bullshit, even if it's not the T2 win.

>>45306557
Its pathetically low. Something like 1/200 games at best.

>>45306673
Perhaps, but you do get one or two draw steps as well. And if the opponent is fetch or shocking themselves it goes a long way towards helping you get lethal out by turn 3 at the very least.

>>45306700

You're going to be pretty mad if you're on the receiving end of that 0.5% chance though.

>Haven't played modern in a week or so, since before the GP
>Go on cockatrice because no LGS
>Every fucking deck is memedrazi
I think it's time to take a break from modern.

>>45306915
Accept pauper into your heart

So is there a optimized Black/Colorless ONLY decklist for Heartless/Regular Eldrazi yet? I don't wanna play other colors besides just black with Eldrazi.

>>45302738
You don't suspend it, you cast it. It's 3 mana.

>>45307017
splash green so you can hose meme decks, with a simple naturalize in your SB

>>45307017


http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=11502&d=265352&f=MO

>>45307028

By the time you can hardcast it as burn against Eldrazi, your rectum is already prolapsing.

>>45304755
Its getting played because all the hyper aggro decks have a lot of action at 1 mana. and the Eldrazi deck doesn't really have any T1 plays other than eye+Mimic/Endless one

>>45307144
Is a diverse metagame a good unto itself, or is it just something the players demand?

>>45307224
"Diverse" metagame is why wizards bans 99% of the shit they ban, or thats' the excuse.
but as you see, it just don't work

>>45307260
I'm just remembering people talking about the YGO tele-dad days, which some actually liked even while it was a tier 0 format.

>>45302256
You know, when it comes to the eldrazi, I don't think "submit" is an option. Just annihilation.

>>45307224
Do you like playing a variety of decks and having multiple viable strategies? Then yes, diversity is good.

Do you like pushing new product, jacking up singles prices, and being able to math out all your matchups before the game even starts? Then no, diversity is not good.

tl;dr diversity is good for people who enjoy the game and bad for people who enjoy making money off the game.

>>45304755

I used to have 3 in my burn's sideboard since I saw a few people playing affinity in my old LGS. Literally only useful in the second game if I had it in my opening hand but it still felt great to drop it for 0 with a shit-eating grin.

>>45307411
Some people would rather have mirrors than bullcrap or diceroll mathups. Eldrazi may not be that, but assuming there could be a tier 0 deck that rewarded only the most skilled player and was hard to use, some people may prefer that to diversity.

>>45307453
Then it becomes even more of a diceroll, because draw order is inherently random. You can smooth it out, but there's still more luck in it. Matchups between two very different decks are usually more skill-testing because the best line of play isn't always evident.

Unless both decks just aren't interactive at all, but even Bolt requires you to make a decision. And with more decks in the format that decision becomes less clear.

>>45302377
I'm so glad they kept Sword of the Meek on the banned list , would have been too powerful and might have ruined the wonderful variety seen in the top 8

>>45307589
Assuming the decks are not aggro and do go for the long game the draw order would eventually matter less. The dream would be something like highly interactive grind wars. Though it'd be hell for tournaments.

How do I find the pro tour Extra Turns decklist, or at least the name of the guy who ran it? Can't find it anywhere, anyone here know?

>>45302889
Dont you just love the interactivity of chalice, such a fun and not at all oppressive magic card

>>45307224
Imo diverse is what you get when you play casualy, when you play for fun you can have whatever you want it doesn't matter. But when you make it competitive with money on the line people are going to play what wins or at least has the highest chance to win that they can afford. And after a while everyone knows what the best decks are and so if you want to win you play those. Before the twin and bloom bans if you look at the top 8 lists there are i think 7 or 8 decks maybe more that were getting into the top 8. With the pt top 8 there were two. So with the next event people are either going to be playing eldrazi, or trying to beat eldrazi. And that is pretty shitty and going against what they say they want with diversity. It could be that no one thought eldrazi was going to be a real contender so there wasnt enough hate to keep it down. Even on here everyone thought it was going to be tron vs affinity vs infect vs burn so if the people at the pt thought similarly then why botherwasting deck space on a meme deck. In any case we will see with the next pt. probably on the smaller tourneys as well we will see what the other decks do to compete with eldrazi. It could get hit with a ban too so there is that.

>>45307708
The player was Mikhail Stroev (RUS). He went 3-2 in the Modern portion. This is the list he ran in November for the PTQ in Moscow:
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/343743#online

Don't know what he was running on the day, but it was probably similar.

>>45308054
huh , never been sure if i like replicate cards but i've never played with them but 4 gigadrowse seems extreme or im missing something

>>45308135
Gigadrowse is actually your best card against Eldrazi because it taps down lands at instant speed, and is one of your only relevant T1 plays. I've been working on a similar strategy that uses
4 Gigadrowse
2 Geist
4 Exhaustion
2 Narset Transcendent

What MTGS has usually called "psuedo-Walks" are good with Narset because you can rebound lets you replicate Gigadrowse. Being able to do what it does faster could make Turns quite viable.

>>45304762
it still loses to Eldrazi, even

>SSG dropped back down to 13 dollars
FUCK
MY MONEY
post yfw you didn't buy Worship before the spike
literally 1000% increase in price

>>45307589
this is a retarded post and shows you have never played a format that isn't your garbage memedern and never played a Standard where control was top dog

>>45302461
Gutshot ban when?

Turbofog tier 1 when?

>>45308383
But I did. I have a set of Urza's, because I like playing with the card.

>>45308502
You only have 4
You could have had 400 for the price they're going for now

Think of all the Worships you could've had maing

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So yeah, I'm going over decks in past Standard cycles that ran Worship and crying that Crystalline Sliver isn't in Modern. Deck was very briefly the tits.

How bad would running Diffusion Sliver alongside Spell Pierce and Mana Leak feel?

>>45308598
I kind of want to play slivers now.

>>45308548

What's the secret tech/deck here?

>>45308598
why not just play a bogle? its blue and has hexproof

>>45308644
I've played 'em since 1999, and they've NEVER been well-positioned in Modern.

>>45307224
Let's say there was literally only one viable deck

Every card in that deck would be triple digits

In theory a diverse format with many competitive decks means prices shouldn't go too nuts.

I say in theory because the prices are nuts but they'd be worse the fewer competitive decks there are

>>45308678
It doesn't share tribal synergy, doesn't protect other creatures, and isn't that resilient or consistent of a deck. It's just that tribal synergy and soft protection haven't counted for as much in Modern as they did during slivers' brief Standard heyday, so the power just isn't there.

>>45302305
This is a cool fucking list. I'd never think to put ensnaring bridge in affinity, but it actually has synergy in the list. You can dump your hand quickly to turn bridge on, you can sneak through small flyers, you can move ravager counters or attach plating after swinging, and you can sac the bridge to ravager to alpha strike. Very cool. This looks like it might be a good list for disciple of the vault.

>>45308054
Thanks.
I might send him a twitter and ask what he ran

>>45308667
RW Prison

It hopes to beat Eldrazi by preventing creatures being turned sideways from winning games
It doesn't

>>45308598
Every time this fucking card art is posted the hips force me to dig out my porn stash

>>45308822
Prison isn't the deck to do this with though. Prison is a poor strategy in Modern, but hexproof isn't.

>>45308839
literally meant for breeding

>>45308839
You're welcome.

>>45308678
Counterslivers is interactive. Bogles isn't. Neither deck is very good in the format, but Bogles is probably better because it tells other decks to fuck off.

>>45308944
How does Troll Worship survive until it can land the Worship?

We're gonna need some turbofog bogles

>>45309005
Finks and Leyline, prayer.

>tfw selling my cards to my LGS for 50% of retail

fucking jews

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>>45303106
>the Eye and the Temple have the same high powerlevel

>>45309005
>Turbofog Worship
I wish to be King Durdle in the fastest environment Modern has ever seen.

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>>45309065
>In the above post, things that do literally nothing

>>45303106
lmao
Eye is 2 mana * number of eldrazi spells you cast this turn (+1 with an urborg)
Temple is just 2 mana.
If you have 4 2CMC eldrazi, Eye gives you 8 mana.
Temple gives you 2 mana.

>>45309005
It only has to make it to turn 3

...which sounds great until you realize you can get killed or Though-Knot'd on turn 2

>>45309157
i know this feel
im about to just start selling to online retailers
ill still buy shit from my lgs, but a nigga gotta get paid

>>45308712
Not even the coco slivers?

>>45309585
BUY PLAYSET OF SSG

>>45306915
>not outmemeing the memedrazi

>>45308383
>tfw you have a random singleton of Worship from 8th edition

Hopefully these meme prices will last until I can get back home to my booty.

>>45309590

Paying for shipping and the stress of worrying whether or not my cards will get there prevents me from doing that.

>>45308839
Just ordered my last three, saying my hail marys and putting the pile together.

Wish me luck, lads.

>>45309741
Are you talking about porn or card games?

>>45309787
Yes.

Do I buy Worships from my LGS for 4 euro a piece?
I already bought 8 SSGs for 5 euro a piece and they halved in price
I think I'll get them but I dunno

>>45309875
they will probably not be 4 a piece next time you go in

>>45309875
Do it. They're spiking right now here in Burgerland.

>>45308839
>>45308953
And here I thought I was alone in wanting to breed this sliver

>>45309619
Why would you play coco slivers over merfolk

I hear legacy is fun; is dredge a good combo deck? I know combo is dead in modern now that eldrazi rule supreme.

>>45310094
Legacy storm is the simplest combo in the format , basically plays itself , about 10 times easier than modern storm

So I know this will never be a top 8 or anything, but I've been toying around with a Boros Soldier tribal and I've wanted some opinions on how to improve it

4ballyrush banneret
4boros swiftblade
2Brimaz
2Captains
4champions of the parish
4mentor of the meek
4preeminent captain
4hada freeblade
4kazandu blademaster
4boros charm
4paths to exile
2veteran's armaments

any help is appreciated!

>>45308839
Every time that art is posted I get the charmelan dansen song stuck in my head.

>>45308839
Why'd ya have to go and point that out man , i'll never see them the same way .....

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>>45310228

If you're going to do Boros Soldiers at least go full ham and include Aurelia for flavor.

The deck will suck anyway.

>>45310094
Dredge punishes people for not preparing for it. If they've got hate available its an uphill battle, if not its one of the strongest decks in the format
You'll take a lot of G1s easily but then they board in Rest in Piece etc and you have to really work to not just lose the nest two

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>>45309157
>crack expedition wasteland
>LGS owner practically begs me to sell it to him for $150
>shit whatever
>TCG low is 200
>mfw

>>45310818
LGS owners are exactly what the name implies , they will care about their store more than most things since it is their livelihood

>>45310066
Cause i like slivers better than merfolk.

>>45310293
Borosfag here.

This is 100% correct.

Boros soldier decks suck.

>>45310918
>>45310293
Aight so then mono white?

>>45310921
monowhite piles are perfectly fine if not good in modern. death and taxes is actually quite good.

>>45310867
It's for his legacy deck, not his display case. I'm not super upset about it.

>>45310921
The only mono-white deck that's gonna get shit done for you is hatebears. If you want to do Boros (which I commend you for) just drop the soldier shtick and use the actual good cards. There are some absolutely modern-playable Boros watermark cards in Boros Charm and Boros Reckoner, off the top of my head. Any deck that can comfortably run 4 bolts, 4 paths, and lightning helix should do okay.

>>45310976
>>45310990
Damn was really hoping I could get something to work but alright thank you, I'll get to work on it then

>>45311019
Vorthos is the bottom-tier of MTG society. I'd just get used to it

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>>45306683
I had to go out, but now that I'm back I just did this. This is with 4 Eyes of Ugin and 4 Mimics, as Jiachen Tao's deck used.

Feel free to check my math.

tl,dr; 2.73% chance of getting (at least) 2 mimics and (at least) 1 Eye of Ugin in your starting hand if on the play, and 4.49% if on the draw.

>>45311076
>5% chance of winning based on your starting hand

Nicely memed

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>>45306063
>really want to play legacy
>build super budet monored burn
>had goblin guides before they got retarded expensive so that was covered
>no fetches at all
>substitute chain lightning with incinerate
>running jank shit like reverberate because I thought reverberating a fireblast would be funny as shit
>ready to play legacy!
>but then remember
>live in rural nowhere surrounded by cows and rednecks
>closest town isn't even a stain on the map, est. population is like 4000-6000
>nearest sanctioned FNM isn't even in the same state

you think I would have learned but then I bought into modern so I can play maybe one friday a month when I both have the time and am not too tired for the drive there and back.

>>45309787
Diffusion Sliver, so yes

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>>45311433
dose hips

>>45311076
Your math seems right. And really Mimic+Sol Land+Another Eldrazi is harsh enough that the nut draw is just a bonus.

>>45311416
Psst...
Yeah you

Get an RA cert. and host unsanctioned Legacy at your local library
Recruit all the kids. Pull out your big marketing meme dick and sell it as "speed chess but actually fun for kids" to the library staff, get a biweekly slot, then sell the idea as an after-school mindsport.
Emphasize math and probability.
Do your homework, get the kids onboard.
Sleeve up 20 or so different Pauper decks (proxy if you're 2poor) and hand them out at events
Foot the bill to print out MtG strategic and tactical articles, make sure a few of the kids get hooked on the tourneyfag aspect. Get them to recruit even more.

Try to broker some support from Wizards of the Synagogue, anonymously at first. A little prize support goes a long way, but unsanctioned might be a dealbreaker for the Rabbis. Spin it as educational small-town CSR, something to pretty up PR

Take the smart kids and pull 'em out. Introduce them to the level beyond pauper, a world of uncommons and rares. A world of legacy

You'll have your own legacy circuit up and running in like 10 years or however long it takes for kids to get jobs

>>45311416

I assume you live in a state where the most popular pastime is doing meth, so your best course of action is to open your own LGS and market magic cards as 'more fun than meth and you keep your teeth!'

What color is civilization?

>>45312003
>open your own LGS

Unless there are already people around who want to play some games, this will end with him being bankrupt. Magic stores open and close down every week.

>>45312140
Most magic stores don't make it for the same reason restaurants do: they aren't run by business people

>>45312112
Blue and white.

>>45310976
I wouldn't call it good, decent perhaps. Unban stoneforge mystic please.

If Arcbound Ravager is exiled from play, then returns. Does he return with a counter from Modular?

>>45312504
>if something leaves play and enters the battlefield
>does it still enter the battlefield again?

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>want to get into modern by slowly investing in R/G Tron
>watch the recent protour
>all eldrazi with maybe some affinity
>all the shitposting that ensued after because eldrazi
>the spike in price of eye
>suddenly worried that getting into modern might be a bad idea

>>45312762
Tron player here. It's a bit late to board the train. There is a high possibility of an Eye ban and even if that doesn't happen, the meta is incredibly hostile to tron right now. at least it is at my store. I'll have to bring a different deck if this keeps up. Deepest sympathies mane.

>>45312762

Getting into magic is a bad idea unless you already have a bunch of old cards that you can use to build a non-shit legacy deck.

>>45312762
>>45312914
I was once on the receiving end of a U-Tron Mindslaver lock so I'm savoring your suffering.

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why aren't you playing the best meme in modern

honestly every aspect of magic sucks. the only way to really enjoy the game in a financially responsible way and how I'm going to introduce people to magic 100% from now on is drafting. which is exactly what wizards wanted. so they have succeeded in reaching their end game of making competitive magic literally too shit to play.

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Cats?

>>45313049
I only exile your permanents because I love you anon.

Reminder that this exists

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?30299-DECK-Eldrazi-Stompy

The fun isn't overwith anons. First the eldrazi come for modern, but they also want to shit up legacy as well!

>>45313559
>Guys, guys, a stompy deck is going to break the format

Sure

>>45313606
I rekt BUG Delver (Stifle version) pretty hard in three straight matches with it

>>45313623
So the good matchups for stompy are still good? Cool.

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Oh look, I seem to have fixed modern

>>45304458
Agreed. Artist is a retard who doesn't know what the word 'deflect' means. Piss poor on that front and the looking away is stupid too.

>>45302305
Not running 4 Ravager is a mistake.
-2 Welding Jar, +2 Ravager

I'm sure you could make other changes but 4x Ravager is absolutely required.

>>45314003
ur a cunt m8

>>45314003
This should have cost zero.

>>45314003

Should have cost 0.

>>45314003
lmao. They dump one of up to 4 mimics for 0 mana and you think you're doing well with a 1 for 1 trade that will only work on that specific card? They can also mulligan hyper-aggressively. I don't think you understand the problem let alone its solution.

>>45313049

I hate to break it to you but U Tron doesn't really play Eye of Ugin. For the most part anyway.

>>45314079

The gameplan is to stall until i can fly in with a plating or just ulti Tezzeret, AoB (Damage/Lifelink twice the amount of artifacts you control)

Until then the Bridge needs to hold, the Jar helps with that. I dont know if Ravager is required. 3x Welding Jar, 3x Ravager?
Maybe we have to eat the Bridge and then just run in.

>>45314003

I used to run this against stuff with Cascade.

Asking here since there's no legacy thread: are any fun legacy decks cheaper to make from key pieces getting bodied in Modern now?

>>45314165
It hits endless one as well. It's a one mana counterspell against 8 of the creatures in the deck. It's not perfect but it does work against phyrexian spells, pacts, FoW, affinity and now this deck.

>>45314197
I will still vicariously savor the suffering of Tron players.

>>45314274
In all of the situations that Eldrazi are cast for zero mana you could counter them with Spell Snare though.

>>45314274

Nix is like trying to use a band-aid after your leg got cut off. It doesn't change anything in the end.

Control and god forbid tempo scoop to Eldrazi.

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This with squadron hawk seems legit.

>>45314462

Yeah, you gonna have to have some way to hack against speed, and there isn't any cards printed that cause you to lose games you won/ You can't violate casualty that much in meat space without hacking a machines ability to notice time.

>>45314272
Cards like what?

>all these complaints about price gouging
Just take out a loan to buy a playset of everything. Some of them are bound to spike enough to get you a good return on investment.

>>45314643
>nuking your entire opening hand to nuke your opponent's entire opening hand

Pretty cheeky. Just add 4 maindeck ghost quarters so they can't recover with eye of ugin, and Leyline to stop Thought-Nazi

>>45314826

Who are you going to sell them to for retail prices? There aren't enough kids at FNM with money to move your product.

>>45314274
suspend, cascade, pacts, minor affinity pieces, idk run 1 in the sb and whip it out vs ezdrazi, but it seems so niche compared to something like dispel or hell even spellsnare.
Spellsnare assumes they are playing on curve, Nix assumes they are somehow free-casting a creature/spell (not goryo tho).
It's a perfect sideboard counterspell but the question will always be "is it worth the slot?"
I wouldn't rely on this thing in my deck vs eldrazi, dedicating 1/60 for a chance to counter mimic. Might as well bring Bolt for that.

>>45314299

That's cool but U Tron kind of got better with OGW and not worse. Spatial Contortion was the removal spell that the deck needed.

>>45314844
If you're playing wraths you might as well go full W/R or Jeskai control and put in some crumble to dusts. Much better than ghost quarters, since ghost quarter probably won't stop their t1-t2 play anyways.

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>>45302317
Funny you should mention that.

At least Konami has the decency to reprint $100 cards in supplemental products.

We have entered a future where a TCg company has become even more jewish than Konami. What a time to be alive.

>>45315623
You realize that a box of oath is worth more than it costs right now right? The pendulum swings both ways.

>>45315652
What the hell does that have to do with managing extreme prices of cards out of print by reprinting them in supplemental products?

An in print product being like that will go down fast because its unsustainable anyway.

>>45315623
If, and it's a damn big if, they make things like MM and other non-standard legal packs like conspiracy it will allow for more reprints than what they do in event decks and clash packs. Both are just standard cards anyways, although the last event deck had some nice value.

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>>45315711
>Both are just standard cards anyways

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I fucking hate infect holy fucking shit my entire god damn meta is infect and one affinity and one tron player, go online its all fucking infect or memeldrazi, fuck this shit show. Finally a reason to actually quit this shitty format. Its worse than fucking standard. 'non rotating' my asshole, and I didnt even play twin.

JUST

>>45315623
what the fuck? i thought the event decks and the clash packs were popular? every new player I've met in the past few months was told to pick up the origins clash pack because it had value and was easy to turn into a moderately playable standard deck

I'm still disappointed they discontinued the premium deck series. There was a supplementary product that would've made it so easy to reprint high dollar staples while also teaching new players about deck archetypes that aren't RHINO SMASH

>>45315761
>i thought the event decks and the clash packs were popular
Sort of, they had massive variance. The latest ones were great value and kept standard prices down, however there was a string of them that were dogshit and sat on shelves too.
But it is real damn baffling, do they even have starter decks still?

Will banning the Eye be good enough?

The deck is still not too expensive to build (~$600), and I think that it may be feasible to run without the Eye, but is the Eye the only thing that is likely to get banned?

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>>45315719

>Caves of Koilos

>>45315813
without eye the deck will still be decent but not T1

>>45315823
>3x Inquisition of Kozilek
>1x Sword of FaF
>1x Elspeth, Knight Errant
>$30

>>45315832

Believe it or not, IoK wasn't always a $25 card.

>>45315719
That Event Deck was such a good deal even at $50

Closest Wizards came to giving you a competitive deck. If only they didn't include Elspeth and a sword and instead gave you a set of Godless Shrines

>>45315832

It contains 2 IoK's not 3. It does however also contain 3 copies of Path to Exile.

>>45302461
I watched this to the last game. How did Vines of Vastwood not stop Ivan's Spellskite from redirecting the other Vines? What did I miss there that fucked it up?

>>45315828
Yea, testing with the UR version and its pretty stable without an Eye of Ugin start. Would probably need some tweaking after the ban but otherwise its pretty much an aggro deck with some pretty good topdecks. Colorless version might be stronger overall though.

>>45315880

Alright so what happens is Vines of Vastwood has the printing "Target creature can't be the target of effects and abilities your opponents control this turn" or in short terms it gains Hexproof. So basically even if he was to redirect stuff to Spellskite, none of the spells can legally target Spellskite so they will not get redirected.

>>45315979

>not redirecting counterspells to spellskite

fuck the police

>>45315979
Can't you take the initial Vines target?

>>45315761
You shouldn't get good cards in decks, you need to open boosters or pay dealers for them.

>>45315979
That's how I understood it. What I meant was, in the game, Oliver plays Vines to give Ivan's Spellskite hexproof. He then presumably waits for it to resolve (or maybe he doesn't and that's why he fucks it up?), plays a kicked Vines on his Blighted Agent, but then from the commentary Ivan somehow redirects it anyway and Oliver scoops, losing the match to Ivan.

Watch 44:10 to 45:15 in the video to see what I mean.

>>45302461

>event starts
>LSV opens up with the godhand

Still living up to his name

>>45316058
vines of vastwood doesn't grant hexproof. it's distinctly different in how it's worded (vines of vastwood was before hexproof was a keyword)

the spell makes it so the targeted creature can't be the target of spells or abilitys of the opponents of vines of vastwood's controller.

vines of vastwood was tech you could use against twin. you cast vines on their exarch in response to splinter twin and splinter twin was countered for having an illegal target.

>>45316058

Oooooh I see what he did. The sneaky fucker. Shit I actually fell for it. He tried to bamboozle his opponent.

Alright so while Spellskite now has the vines printing of "Can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control" the second Vines was still controlled by Oliver so he can still legally redirect and target Spellskite. It's almost functional like Hexproof but it's not exactly Hexproof.

That angels's grace buyout. Time to get rid of my playset.

>>45316099
yeah the wording is very important.

>>45316093
>>45316099
Aha! It totally makes sense now, thanks guys. I definitely need to keep an eye out for interactions like that.

>>45316141
it's one of those things where a card has a little bit of complexity and can sometimes be used in unintuitive ways. and wizards hates commons that can be used more than one way and confuse new players. so we don't get anything neat like that anymore.

>>45316129

>worship and angel's grace going nuts

for what purpose

>>45315979
Not quite hexproof, it makes the creature unable to be targeted by spells or abilities that vines of vastwood's controller's opponents control. (Which made it pretty useful against twin)

>>45316194

Yeah I realised that later, it's very close but not quite there.

>>45316194
>Vines on Inkmoth after they sac'd everything to Ravager

a man can only dream
once in my life I want to see the face of some Affinity fuck going all in and losing to this

Bought 6x Worship, for $2 each
Bought 8x/1x Angel's Grace for $4/$8 respectively

Was it a good trade?

Should I buy a set of spirit guides before they go crazy again or is wotc going to go full retard and decide that SSG is the one card that makes Eldrazi broken?

>>45316340
Buy, linear combos like adnauseam, grishoalbrand and storm are getting more popular

How does this list look?

20 Forests
2 Treetop Village

4 Aspect of Hydra
4 Vines of Vastwood
4 Collected Company

4 Birds of Paradise
2 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Kalonian Tusker
4 Strangleroot Geist
4 Leatherback Baloth
4 Groundbreaker
4 Kitchen Finks

>>45316357
Look up for monog stompy

>>45316357

Remove Caryatid, Aspect and groundbreaker
Put Rancor, Avatar of the Resolute and 2x Scavenging Ooze

>>45316378
I'm asking is this list good?

>>45316357

Also remove BoPs for Experiment Ones

>>45316390
I don't like the mana dorks, you dont have nothing to ramp into

At least cut birds and add Hierarchs, if you can

>>45316387
>>45316387
Groundbreaker is so good with CoCo though

>>45316410
What are you talking about? A turn 1 Birds or Hierarch enables a turn 2 Baloth, Finks, or Groundbreaker and the Caryatids help ensure you always hit CoCo on turn 3 most games.

>>45316357
depending on ur meta i'd swap finks for boggart ram-gang, maybe toss in a witness for sweet company recycling
also llanowar elves seems better than caryatid because it can attack
list seems cool though, i'd like to play something like it

>>45316485
My meta has a lot of burn so the finks are pretty important. Witness sounds good. I like Caryatids hexproof and it helps to block goblin guides as long as they don't have an Atarkas Command.

>>45316099
It reminds me of something I saw a long time ago. A guy called a judge over and talked to him in private. When he returned to the table, he pithing needled a BoP. His opponent didn't tap it for the rest of the match.

Should I build Storm or Esper Control? There's been a player at my LGS doing pretty well with Storm lately

>>45316678
jeskai ascendancy

>>45316678

Do you already have 4 scalding tarns?

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is it possible to make brain maggot not shitty? what looked like an el cheapo thoughtseize solution seems to only have the benefit of revealing my opponent's hand. maybe just go with despise and sideboard pic related

>>45316702
I'd be willing to drop the money on either deck. Both decks have expensive mana bases but I already have a lot of blue staples and the rainforests.

>>45316512
ah, ok against high burn finks definitely over boggarts

>>45316678
esper control seems pretty cool

>>45316754
what are you even trying to do?

>>45310818
What a scummy LGS owner. Also your own fault, Anon. Luckily mine is a decent guy and a friend - gave me retail value for my BG expeditions. He keeps a full set in a binder as a retirement plan.

>>45313262
BG Bro here, Tronnies and 'Drazi scum GET BANNED AND GET OUT

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>45310818
>Owner is begging you
>Youre surprised that you didnt give it to him at full price
>Thinking anybody is going to give you full price for it

You are not a trusted seller, you are not going to get full value out of it from anywhere.

>>45310818
150 is fine considering if you sold it on ebay for 200 you would get 18-20 in fees then a few more bucks in fees for paypal and shipping. you might get around 170 for it after all that but you have to go through more effort and the buyer might try to jew you.

>>45316850
lockdown the player early to remove threats. considering "creatures get -x/-x" cards to take care of whatever hits the field. dick moves that slow them down.

>>45316953
what is craigslist, alex

>>45317176
Good luck getting $200 for a card on craigslist.

Hell, good luck not getting shanked. That might seem like a given, but its really not.

>>45317176

>using craigslist

not all of us have a death wish

>>45317223
don't be dumb, anon. you never meet strangers alone.

>>45316968
most people dont understand that the price the store sells cards for isn't the same price they'll buy them off people for

even though you think this would be obvious, people constantly claim that they're getting "ripped off" because the store isn't buying and selling at the same price

my guess is it's because they're casual players who aren't used to selling cards

>>45314272
Modern cards are pretty garbage power-wise, even Standard has been stronger many times in the past

If you're asking for key pieces to buy because they're cheaper now that they're useless, Tarmogoyf is literally the only legacy staple

If you're asking because you already have some key pieces, mention them

>>45316526
that seems like such a waste of a pithing needle

if the opponent had literally just read the card he would know the mana ability clause

>>45317951
Sometimes you just have to bank on the idea that your opponent doesnt know the cards well enough.

>>45317951
playing to your opponent misplaying is a pretty common tactic in mtg, have you never been to a tournament?

>>45317969
>>45317976
it's a fucking Birds of Paradise, how bad can your matchup be against that kind of deck that you board in Needle for a fucking BoP it doesn't even hit

Unless it's a maindeck Needle in which case how the fuck is your matchup so bad you need maindeck Needle against Birds

Playing to your outs even if that out is predicated on misplaying from your opponent is normal. Throwing a hail mary at turn 1 on the other hand seems like living on the edge

>>45317991
seems like you're quite new to mtg so it will be hard to discuss without things going over your head

>>45318008
You're retarded, got it.