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>>45273034
Noice edition if you ask me.

>>45273034
First for 25th anniversary of GW's impending death

how do you guys feel about playing pickup games at a store/club against unpainted armies?

So an eight week campaign is starting out at my LGS that I can't wait to take part in. Everyone has 1000pts to work with and the lists can change week to week and we occur more points as we gain tiles and progress on the map. The list below are all my current painted and almost table top ready models. I also have a Librarian on a bike, another three bikes and an attack bike for Ravenwing. By the end of the month I will have 3 more attack bikes and another Landspeeder +15 beakies. Any and all advice is welcome. Thanks.

Partially assembled I have 15 Deathwing (5 Knights, 5 Command, 5 Termis) and 2 DW HQs (Lib and Chaplin).

Ravenwing Strike Force

HQ:

Interrogator-Chaplain w/ Mace of Redemption (160)

Elite:

Ravenwing Command Squad with Apothecary, Champion, Company Banner, 2x Grenade Launcher (295)

Fast Attack:

Ravenwing Bike Squad with 2 Grav Guns, Combi Grav and Meltabomb (120)

Ravenwing Bike Squad with 2 Meltaguns, Combi Melta and Melabomb (110)

Ravenwing Landspeeder with Assault Cannon (70)

Ravenwing Support Squadron (245)

Darkshroud
3 Landspeeders with 2 Heavy Bolters

1000/1000

With the Campaign I already have an extra 75 points.

(Cont...)

I like the new OP image, even if it's just the old OP image. Of course, some autist will throw a shitfit about post formatting.

Anyway what's the best craftworld and why is it /pol/-in-space aka Biel-Tan?

>we must secure the existence of our race and a future for eldar children

>>45273034
>Leave the AoS at the door edition
the fans sure did :^)

>>45273209 (Cont...)

I really don't need all the special weapons against Daemons or even just a Rhino or two. My command squad's Plasma Talons seem to be pretty nifty at dealing with matchbox transports.

With the Ravenwing Strikeforce I get "Speed of the Raven" as a bonus. This says that on my first turn any unit that turbo boosts or moves flat out counts as jinking but don't occur the penalty of snap shots next turn. Does this mean I shouldn't use scout moves so I can flat out my first turn and actually use this bonus. As I have been playing it I usually do all the scout moves that seem helpful and then will turbo boost the rest. Is this the proper way?

Any Ravenwing tactica would be great.

Also if there are any good videos that cover each phase in depth or even just good veteran players discussing things I should know (deployment theory, when to CC when to run etc) please point me in the right direction. I try to watch batreps but I don't want to fill my head with all the armies and it is hard to find videos in 7e of close lists that are worth watching.

>>45273136
I understand not wanting to play against unpainted armies but really it doesn't do any harm to you, he's the one who isn't fully committing to his army

>>45273136
I am okay with it as long as they don't bullshit me about painting the army some day. At that point I will just pick up toys up and go home.

>>45273216
We don't like change around here. I suggest you leave. We're all very angry and proper 40kg procedure not being adhered to.

>>45273136

I can understand a few unpainted units, but what the fuck is even the point of playing a "I bought a fresh netlist and spraybombed it black" fag? Not to mention that it looks stupid if you're playing with a painted army on decent-looking terrain and your opponent is playing an army consisting entirely of Guardsmen's shadows.

>>45273136

Would I prefer everyone armies to be 100% painted and WYSIWYG, sure. But mine is neither and constantly changing.
I will at least get a few colors on mine before they hit the table but I won't out right refuse a game because you haven't found the ton of time it takes to paint.
Granted if you have 3000 points of grey and no effort towards painting anything I may be a bit put off, but again I just want to play the game.
If my imagination is good enough for my soldiers to come alive on the battlefield it can certainly color in your models with little effort.

>>45273136
>>45273236
>>45273237
>not refusing to play somebody who obviously doesn't care, probably netlists and is a WAACfag and doesn't want fun but wants to beat you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Heybq1s79Y

>>45273223
>>45273209
I'm going to give you advice, shorten the lengths of your posts

>>45273216
It's not even a genuine WAAAGH!ol, it's a reproduction. Note the lack of the Imperial Kek in the top right compared to a _real_ general header.

>>45273275
I mean shit I didn't need to space my list so much but my questions are my questions and the context is the context.

>>45273270
Guy said nothing about the guy being A WAAC net lister,he only said unpainted models. If it's obviously A WAAC then I'd walk away even if it was painted

>>45273136
as a followup question, how would you feel like playing against a converted and kitbashed army that is WYSIWYG, but not painted

>>45273244

>We don't like change

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>45273136

I don't mind. They'll get there some day, and it's nice to be able to enjoy all aspects of the hobby at once.

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>>45273270
To me winning is everything so I can relate on that level. Thinking about picking up some wulfen and painting them orange and blue (my favorite colors), calling them magical dog children their primarch is born apart from the others as he was seperated form the emperor at birth when a new chaos god Tony the Tiger took him away. And I will tell you all about my headcanon and how their chapter master has never died or lost a battle and has coffee with draigo in the warp lol and they snort warp dust.

>>45273316
Thing is, not painting your models is kind of a sign. If you're not going to bother painting your models, even if you're crap, then you might as well use use bases with no models on. Same shit. You play the game.

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>>45273323

>forgot image

double reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>45273320
Better than the first time, conversions/modeling are what I like the most

>>45273320

That's more acceptable since it shows they're not a lazy waacfag subhuman and they will almost certainly actually get around to painting it eventually

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>>45273216
Altansar was here.
All Craftworlds are pretty gay, but you picked the absolute gayest.
Way to enforce stereotypes, conehead.

>>45273209
>15 beakies
Nigger, why?

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>>45273336
>a new chaos god Tony the Tiger
I fucking lost it

>>45273336
Oh god I almost went full RRREEEEE before I realized you were trolling

>>45273341
Not really, not everyone has the time to sit and paint after 8-10 hour days. Families, and just plain not wanting to stare and break your back hunched over a tiny model after working is pretty understandable

>>45273368

>Fundamentalist Mormons: The Craftworld

Now with 100% more shariah.

>>45273381
100%, Garunteed it is Birds of Vindication anon
>[X] Asking about Dark Angels
>[X] Actually wants Beakies

>>45273416
>>45273368

Oh wait, I read that as Alaitoc somehow

disregard, heretic. gb2warp.

Does anyone have the Ork picture where a Nob is in a storm drain trying to sell something to a passerby?

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Just going to grav this here.

>>45273493
>Eldarian
God dammit, Rogue Trader

>>45273267
Underrated/10

You sound pretty bro tier

>>45273334
>>45273386
I'm with these guys.

>>45273493
>The glory days of 40k are gone
Good fucking riddance lol

>>45273270
>>45273266
painting takes time, what if they haven't finished yet?

Thanks for the replies from everyone on unpainted armies.

I ask because I haven't actually played a game of 40k against another player in nine years, but the past few weeks I've been hard at work converting models and kind of want to try playing the game.

Now if only it wasn't an hour and a half to the nearest LGS...

(also it is nearly 1 am and I wish my neighbors would stop blasting music. I guess there is some kind of sports event tomorrow and they are excited, but it is keeping me from sleeping)

>>5273664
As long as they make progress each time that army comes up that's really cool by me. I saw a youtuber who actually proposed fielding models first in an unfinished state, so when they do something cool or noteworthy you can adjust the model to portray that narrative

>>45273664

That's why I said "I can understand a few unpainted units"

If you only had time to throw the entire army together and prime it then you shouldn't be playing it. There are a few exceptions, but he specifically mentioned "pick up games" and not one of those tournaments where you add X number of points to your list every few weeks. In the latter case I could see having an army that ended up mostly-unpainted due to time constraints. In the former case, fucking paint them before playing, if you have time to spend building little space men to go pew pew on a table every weekend, you have time to paint them.

>>45273723
>I guess there is some kind of sports event tomorrow

I was going to make fun of you for being too /tg/ since I'm not even American and I know what that is, but then I realized I only knew that it was coming up due to one person telling me about it, so...

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I've been eyeballing Tau lately as the army to start my first 40k army, but let's say I wanted to do a sort of "mercenary xenos" force of the Tau Empire, running mostly Vespid, Kroot, etc.

What are my options to do this, and will it be worth a shit?

If not, how viable is a fire warrior heavy army, lots of Tao infantry and transports and such? I'm liking the fire warrior models too. Basically I'm asking how can I play Tau without using a lot of suits and instead focus on the alien dudes themselves.

>>45273775
R E S I N
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>>45273775
The Xenos have a formation that makes them pretty good.

I have a mechanized Tau force, 6 Devilfish, the Hammerheads, 2 Piranha, and 1 suit Commander. It's not especially good but I like it. I'll probably be picking up a Riptide and a squad of Crisis suits soon (gunna run the suits with double flamers and a Fusion blaster, then charge in for GLORIOUS COMBAT)

>>45273775
kroot aren't a bad unit, they just don't have markerlights

vespid are pricy points wise, and the models are old and don't have great poses. They are good at what they do though. The flipside is Vespids are specialists in something Tau are already good at.

Infantry tau is fine. Pulse rifles are good weapons. Watch out for blast templates and AP4 weapons. Using cover will help your guys live a lot longer.

The struggle you will have is with dealing with high AV and monstrous creatures that your kroot, vespids, and tau infantry all can't hurt effectively.

>>45273830
Resin is expensive and brittle, most models are also completely mono-pose. GWs resin is also known for coming with defects

>>45273830
All xeno models in tau army are resin.

>>45273866
Kroot are plastic aren't they?

>>45273866
>All xeno models in tau army are resin.
kroot and tau are plastic and always have been, but other kinds of kroot like the krootox or dogs I'm pretty sure were originally metal (and now finecast)

>>45273886
>tau
I said xeno models, not tau.

>>45273886
why do they call it finecast when its absolute shit?

seems like false advertizing

>>45273034
Oh lawd. I used to have a very small ork army when I was much younger but I kind of stopped collecting/playing. I've been out of the loop for years although I am very very familiar with the 40k universe I feel like the finger details have gotten way past where I left it. Anyways, I'm thinking of doing an IG regiment. Are they good? Fun to play? Any tips? What do I need to get started other than the codex?

>>45273912
>implying tau aren't xenos
disheveled tau sympathizer detected

>>45273915
marketing

there are also two things to keep in mind about finecast:

1) finecast today is a lot better than the original finecast. Still not as good as plastic or metal though, which is why all new kits are plastic.

2) models intended for finecast turned out waaay better than models that were originally cast in metal.

>>45273775
Ethereals, firewarriors and kroot are all decent. Vested are not.

>>45273938
IG are viable at all levels of play

they are a flexible army with a lot of different styles. They also have access to a very large number of allies, allowing for even more options. Do you want tanks? Blobs of footslogging infantry? Mechanized elite infantry? A little of everything?

The Start Collecting! bundle is a decent place to begin. It has a tank and some infantry in it.

>>45273973
Nice! Thanks man. How many rule books do I need to buy?

>>45274070

Just the core book and IG codex. Maybe Mont'ka because it has some formations for IG. IG goes by the name Astra Militarum these days, but everyone is more than okay with you calling them IG.

>>45274070
The core rules and your codex.

You can often get the core rules really cheap if you ask around, as the starter kit (Dark Vengeance) comes with a small print version.

if you wish to use allies, you'll need their codexes too. IG don't have to use allies, but as an army of the Imperium they have access to the entire range of Imperial armies as allies, should they feel the need.

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>Ok, lets take the most mobile unit in the entire game
>Now give it extremely good shooting
>Ok, so to balance it we should make it a glass cannon, right?
>NO fuck that. Give it space marine armor and a 4+ cover save
>Also make it a troop choice with objective secured
>Ok, so to balance it out we should make it cost a lot right?
>Nah, make it cost as much as a nob with a 4+ save and a big choppa

>>45274070
just pirate tho

>>45274140
>ork butthurt
Sweet.

>>45273775
If you want to try out mercenary xenos formation make sure you got a positional relay on a unit or another outflanker to do some hilarious un-Tau shenanigans

>>45274140
The only change was the new guns and dedicated warlock sergeant option, everything else was the same back when noone gave a fuck and cried about wave serpents.

But you'd have to actually play to realize that.

>>45274165

Dark eldar jetbikes dont get 3+

Dark eldar flyers dont get vector dancer despite being even more nimble

>>45274098
>>45274130
Cheers lads, last question; I'm most likely going to be a boring prick and play cadians, any special rules or stuff for them, or just basic IG(AM) codex?

>>45274186
Who the fuck cares about Codex: Eldar Taxi?

>>45274180
>>45273775
You can also try kit bashing parts from multiple kit sources from other model ranges for themed counts-as units to get that amalgam war band of mercs feel.

>>45274188
There is a Cadian supplement which gives them a new detachment made of formations just like Necrons, Tau, etc. It's somewhere in the download link in the OP.

Just a different way of building your army, but IG tends to do pretty well with the basic Combine Arms Detachment.

>>45274183
>Nobody cared about a jetbike unit before they could all take multilasers

No shit

>>45274197
who the fuck cares about Codex : Not Space Marines?

>>45274197
Hey hey hey.

Hey.

We have cheap haywire too.

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>>45273775

Vespids are basically Crisis "made in China". They are the middle of the road between the cheaper and disposable Breachers and expensive and elite Crisis. They are better than they ever were, but good enough yet. They should get flamers, poison, or be better in close-combat.

>>45274337
Breachers are better, because they can take emp and invuls.

>>45274337
An anthropomorphic miniature that doesn't look like furry fapbait? Neat.

>>45274485
You think furries won't fap to that?

>>45274553
It's neither neon coloured, sexually immature, wearing a diaper, their mother, a 90's video game character or wearing a Nazi uniform, so no.

>>45274592
>or wearing a Nazi uniform
This is the one that gets me. I'm pretty sure Nazis wouldn't stand for furries at all.

>>45274592
It has a tail.
They will fap.

>>45274612

There was the militantly gay Rohmist SA, I'm sure nazifurs would find a place.

>>45273209

Give your IC an Auspex to strip cover from shit you shooy with black knights. I would only take 1 GL personally.

Put Double MM on that landspeeder and take the melta squad as the ravenwing attack squadron formation for the BS bump.

>>45273223
I always scout up. Nothing says you need to turboboost forward. Concentrate and destroy one element at a time.

Don't CC anything except with your black knights, and even then, don't CC dedicated assault units. You will lose, or take casualties, which you can't afford.

Melee is to finish off units.

I would recommend a techamarine over a librarian since he gives you much needed AP2.

A Knight Titan or Flyer Spam would fuck you.

Don't take any deathwing. They just aren't worth it.

I've tried. Unless it's a pity move vs. CSM.

Second Darkshroud isn't a bad investment to increase coverage range.

Or be a real cunt and take Librarius Conclave, White Scars, give all your squads skilled rider...

Also do max spacing for blast weapons. Target priority is on ignores cover weapons.

I know orks are shit and yet I keep buying stuff, why? Why did I just order three more battlewagons, why did I just order flash gitz and more tankbustas? Why am I buying another dakka jet and warbuggies.

>>45274875
I know mang, have nearly 3k as is, just got a stompa, more Kans (i've 12 i don't use already) the Badrukks Flash gitz package too...

All I've painted is a single runtherder and then base colours on 10 grots.

And if I see unassembled trukks going cheap I'll be buying those as well.

If odds I will order a baneblade.

Question:

Does Dunestrider apply to Scout?

>>45274875
The question should rather be "Why am I buying stuff faster than I can assemble and paint it?

>>45274938
Scout is not movement

>>45274953
On the contrary I don't buy anything while I have projects going. My army is fully built and painted.

Hello, story in "Curse of the wulfen" mean that timeline of codex "Eye of Terror" still valid? Becouse its a stupid - attacks on loyal first founding chapter with abbadon behind the back

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>>45273443
This one?

>>45274977
Must be set before the 13th

>>45274977
It's set some time earlier
Thus all the (really hypothetical) tension is useless since we all know that Logan Grimnar will go lead the Imperium army against Abaddon

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>>45274612
>>45274592
What about furry weebs with a Nazi fetish? But not quite as weird as the strange obsession /lgbt/ has with /pol/.

>>45275170
That's why I listed nazi uniforms among the furry fetishes.

Actually, add human genitalia and guns to that list too.

>>45274875
Many of us still love Orks despite the Codex
Once you go green, it never comes clean

>>45275170
Considering the kind of outfit that guy is used to wear, you could probably consider him a consumer of every existing and not-existing fetish

Someone PLEASE tell me they included some worthwile formations for Deathwing in the Wolftime book.

Are there any books with direct interaction with the four gods?

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>>45273216
Definitely Biel-Tan. Less moping, more killing.

>>45275243
In the Curse of the Wulfen there isn't any. However there is almost surely another book (like the Mont'ka one after Kauyon) that may have Dark Angels or Grey Knights formations, since those two chapters have important roles in the campaign

>>45275263
Why would you want that? All settings turn to shit when divine beings become characters.

>>45275263
Magnus talks to Tzeentch in A Thousand Sons. It sucks just as much as when they have the Emperor talk. You can't have such immensely intelligent superhuman beings just talk like any random loser, it ruins their mystique.

>>45275280
That's exactly what hoping for. Still I'm worried because in all the previous expansion books DA were in included formations for only Ravenwing.

>>45275334
Well, as far as I can remember in the current codex there are 1 Deathwing formation, 1 "greenwing" formation and 3 Ravenwing ones, I'd expect them to focus on the former rather then making more ravenwing ones.
it really depends on which part of the DA chapter they focus during the campaign. If there are many parts for the Deathwing in the story there will be for sure new formations for them

>>45274612
>techno nazis hunting furries.
I'd play that game.

>>45274183
>The only change was the new guns
Oh, well that's fine then. An inexpensive mobile unit gets to take mid-strength multi-shot guns (the best type of guns to have in this edition) on every model. Who could object to such a minor change?

>>45275449
I ain't saying it's a good change, but >>45274140
made it sound like it was just mobile with shitty save, no jink, not a troop before 7th.

Be mad if necessary, but be factual.

>>45275474
Not either of them, but he was whining about them in general, not about the changes made between editions.

Hey /tg/

I want to start mono-slaanesh army as a side project. Probably from CSM a Lord on bike and a small gang, Noise Marines and heldrake, but what to get from Daemons? What models should I buy first to get started? I'm also tempted to leave CSM part off but I like Noise Marines.

>>45275509
Good taste, my fellow scummer. Daemonettes, a herald or four, seekers and a Keeper of Secrets are your bread and butter, but if you want extra cred, insanely fragile models and the glassiest cannon not made of eldar, do some chariots

>>45275533

Oh yes, the chariots are beautiful. I'll definately get at least 3. For daemonettes I'll probably get the ones from Raging Heroes as they're more pleasing to my eyes. Also, GW KoS a shit. FW one looks great though!

Thanks for the advice.

>>45273034
Question /40k/

Are nomads trader or merchant cultured craftworld eldar possible? Like somekind of Bentusi or House Hlaalu, that involve them to be more in contact and friendly with other races.

I just want to create a craftworld that is more than "hurr hurr we ar superiorz we dont need you all uderevolved apes" kind of retard.

Sorry for my bad english

>>45275628

Trading is mostly handled not by the craftworlds themselves, but rather people on the "Path of the Outcast", which is basically just a polite way of saying Eldar who're kinda sick of putting up with other Eldar's bullshit.

>>45275573
I play mixed Khorne/Slaanesh, so my big bad beatstick is a thirster while my common infantry is daemonettes, and i run a big pile of flesh hounds and a bunch of seekers with a mounted slaanesh herald in each. Its pretty easy to swap around the god-specific units, and the KoS is probably the best generic HQ in the daemons codex for its points. I want to run some chariots, but they're fragile both on and off the table, so much so as to be unusable. Beautiful models though
>>45275628
The point of 40k is that most things are possible, and while i don't know eldar as well as most things, it sounds reasonable enough. They still need to protect themselves from Slaanesh though, so they need to follow their Paths. That said, they'll still be eldar, so they're still insufferable jerks. Maybe consider running Corsairs to represent the less-standard society

>>45275628
Yes, though what they are specifically I don't know. There is a Craftworld that essentially operates like Mass Effect's Omega, hosting numerous Corsairs as well as other mercenary types for instance.

How much points should you spent on troops? 25%, 50%?

http://all4wargames.com/ are these guys genuinely selling forgeworld models or doing recasts ? i can't tell ? not trusting enough to go to chinaman but a a 77 $ sicarian tank doesnt sound bad

How many Piranhas should I bring for capturing objectives, with a Ghostkeel, a Tidewall and Riptide already on the field?

>>45275695

Nah, wrong way to think about it. Troops vary a lot.

The correct question is "do I have enough small arms to kill things with weight of fire?"

>>45275705
>can only buy FW items only available from FW for retail
>gee, I wonder if these guys selling FW items at below FW prices are legit

How would you feel if GW offered separate ranges for common units, simpler, cheaper figs marketed towards younger customers, while marketing the more traditional stuff towards its older fanbase.

>>45275705
You're either a shill or criminally retarded

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I want to murder the enemy's HQ on the first turn. How many seeker missiles do I need (assuming no more than +3)?

>>45275806
Depends on Inv save, cover, Toughness, wounds and special rules.

>>45275223

It's the truth. I honestly can't understand my gaming mates who seem to switch between armies like hyperactive meerkats on coffee. I've been green since 2007 and I've never been tempted by another army. There's just something about Orks.

>>45275799
>Oh no better hide all my secrets from GW who lurk these threads.

I bet you also don't give out chinaman's email, gotta be super secret aint we :^)

Do any of the book center around the Necrons?
I won the Dawn of War and Dawn of War Ascension books back in like 2007 and that's made by Goto. So I lost interest until recently.

>>45275836
Its been posted multiple times over the last two weeks, always with some variety of
>is this FW only item seller legit? i cant tell guys, its such a good deal i might just buy it!
And i'm affluent enough to buy the occasional FW model without resorting to chinese industry.

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>>45275798
>cheaper figs marketed towards younger customers

They're doing exactly that at the end of the year.

>>45275870
Woah, what?

Are single bikes usually 15$?

Landspeeder for 25$ sounds about right.

Do we know whats in the last box, besides at least a dready?

I did not expect GW to actually do anything to make the game more accessible. I probably should have, given that I bought a start collecting pack to round out my list.

>>45275870
>>45275893
The sprues shown in Build+Paint sets are largely broken up AOBR stater sets dyecast in Ultramarine blue and Murky ork green plastic.

>>45275412
The novel suggests it will be Ravenwing.

>>45275836
No, you're retarded for thinking that discounted forgeworld stuff has any possibility of being legit when there is no distribution channel for forgeworld other than buying from forgeworld at retail.

>>45275920
You can't buy at GW Stores anymore?

>>45275920
so how are they still around then?

>>45275484
I took it as a parody of the design process:
"Lets give them an enormous buff with zero corresponding negative change"

>>45275652
>>45275654

Thanks for confirming anons

I have this concept of craftworld that is controled by yakuza-like merchant houses centraled in trading and profit. They are dominated by mariner and outcast path ( like >>45275657 said), and their warrior path are lack of aspec warriors, so they are rely mostly on guardians and crimson hunters (the only aspect shrine in craftworld) as military forces.

They are more frendlier and in touch with other races, thats also make them diplomat amongs their kind. Still a manipulative bunch of bastard thought even with their own kindred (for profit of course)

>>45275938
Yep, sounds like you ought to run some corsairs with your yakuza. Sounds good in general though

>>45275932
a) Nope (not in the UK anyway)
b) FW and GW are one company anyway.

>>45275933
Because Russia doesn't give a fuck.
>Name Server: NS1.SPACEWEB.RU
>Name Server: NS2.SPACEWEB.RU

>>45275932
How is that a distribution channel? FW and GW are the same company and the product is only available to buy at retail.

Can you fire Heavy Weapons at full BS during the turn that you outflank?

>>45275985
on infantry? no.

>>45275985
Did you move?

>>45275705
>http://all4wargames.com/
>broken english
>russian domain
>'we'll totally lie about the value and content in the customs declaration' on the front page

Yeah sounds legit alright.

>>45275995

Does outflanking/scout counts as moving?

>>45276003
Scouting no, you count as moving on from reserves though.

>>45276003
Outflanking and scout are completely different.

Scout repositions the model. No moving involved. ("can instead redeploy")

Outflanking is just coming on from reserve from a non-standard board edge. ("it must move onto the table" "Measure the model's move from the edge of the table as if they had been positioned just off the board")

Any suggestions as to how to represent the Omniscient Mask and Pater Radium on Skitarii?

>>45275705
>http://all4wargames.com/
You're not trusting enough for chinaman but you'll pay more to buy from a sneaky fucking russian?

>>45276083
>giving this to THUNDERWOLVES

not okay

Hey you!

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Want a reliable turn one deployment level for short ranged or slow units? Want to wreck a tank but just can't get your Meltaguns up close? Got a durable assault unit you'd like to shock and astound your opponents, drawing all their fire? Extra points left over from formations that give you free wargear?


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>>45276083
Still counts as coming in from reserves. Same reason why a unit in an outflanking Lana raider can't charge the turn the transport outflanks

>>45276115
However you can only take one unit of those

Also my master plan went to hell after I noticed that you can't take Wolf Guard so you don't have assault vehicle with that formation

>>45276083
>>Move 6", deploy the units inside 6", assault 2d6"
>Should I make an infograph of this?
No, because it's nonsense.

How does it override the vehicle rules that say you can't disembark then assault?

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>>45276083

It's ok, I'll do the infographic for you.

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>>45276141
Sorry, I really wanted to create a new meme

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>>45276159
we don't need memes

>>45276121
Funnily enough i can see this screaming maniac vampire saying that and actually being a pretty good salesman.

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>>45276159
You were a faggot and then deleted evidence of your faggotry?

>>45276121
Thanks. I just played against a war convocation with allied flesh tearers drop pods.

>>45276205
Nah, I deleted it after noticing that there wasn't any way to take assault vehicles as dedicated transport with that formation, so I delated it before the first answer came out. Apparently I wasn't fast enough
So yes, rather faggy :^)

>>45276232
Even if you could take assault vehicles you were still wrong.

>>45276246
Yup, it appears that I would have been wrong anyway. I was just stating the reason I deleted it
I never really had the occasion of seeing an assault vehicle outflanking. That's most likely because my meta is really casual, with in most cases all the units on the table the first turn except the eventual flyer every once in a while
You never stop learning new things

How is this list? Should I be taking Cyclic Ions over fusion blasters? Is this too strong for pickup games?

+++999/1000pts+++
++Combined Arms Detachment++

+ HQ +
Commander R'alai [FW]

+ Elites +
XV8 Crisis Battlesuits
··Crisis Shas'ui [2x Fusion Blaster]
··Crisis Shas'ui [2x Fusion Blaster]
··Crisis Shas'ui [2x Fusion Blaster]

+ Troops +
Strike Team [5x Fire Warrior with Pulse Rifle]
··DS8 Tactical Support Turret [Smart Missile System]
Strike Team [5x Fire Warrior with Pulse Rifle]
··DS8 Tactical Support Turret [Smart Missile System]

+ Fast Attack +
XV9 'Hazard' Close Support Team [FW] [MV1 Gun Drone]
··Hazard Shas'yr [Advanced Targeting System, Twin-linked Burst Cannon, Twin-linked Burst Cannon]
XV9 'Hazard' Close Support Team [FW] [MV1 Gun Drone]
··Hazard Shas'yr [Advanced Targeting System, Twin-linked Burst Cannon, Twin-linked Burst Cannon]

++Formation Detachment++
+ Formation +
Optimized Stealth Cadre
··XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon]
····Stealth Shas'ui with Fusion Blaster [Fusion Blaster]
····Stealth Shas'vre [Burst Cannon, Markerlight and target lock]
··XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon]
····Stealth Shas'ui with Fusion Blaster [Fusion Blaster]
····Stealth Shas'vre [Burst Cannon, Markerlight and target lock]
··XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuits
····Ghostkeel Shas'vre [Advanced Targeting System, Cyclic Ion Raker, Twin-linked Fusion Blaster]

1500 Orks

2x ML 2 Weirdboy - 140

2x 10 Gretchin - 70
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2x ML 2 Weirdboy - 140

2x 10 Gretchin - 70
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2x ML 2 Weirdboy - 140

2x 10 Gretchin - 70
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2x ML 2 Weirdboy - 140

2x 10 Gretchin - 70
---------

2x ML 2 Weirdboy - 140

2x 10 Gretchin - 70

---------

2x ML 2 Weirdboy - 140

2x 10 Gretchin - 70

---------

2x ML 2 Weirdboy - 140

2x 10 Gretchin - 70

Idea is to kill everything with Force Weapons and Psychic powers.

>>45273858
B-but they said Finecast was superior to metal minis in every way...

need some major help fellas

tomorrow I'll face a necron player, I'll bring black templars. this was my idea of list:

>chapter master, terminator armor, shield eternal, chainfist
>emperor's champion
>command squad: 3 mauls, 1 power fist, apothecary
>land raider crusader, melta
>5 crusaders with ccw, 1 melta, razorback with tl heavy bolter and dozer blade
>5 crusaders with ccw, 1 melta, razorback with tl heavy bolter
>5 bikes, 2 gravguns
>5 bikes, 2 gravguns
>thunderfire cannon
>land speeder, 2 meltas
>land speeder, 2 meltas

1500 on the nose

otherwhise I'd put the master on a bike but then I'd go 20 points up and need to cut something

>>45276302
You're an idiot, it wouldnt even be fun to play
>>45276291
>ralai
>crisises
>xv9
>OSC
its ok for tau, but unless you play Armoured Battlegroups or Knights, probably overkill

>>45276371
The overkill being the fusion blaster crisis squad?

Ok for power level or relative strength of a tau list?

>>45276291

>O'Ralai
>Min FW
>Hazards
>Almost no markerlights
>Only one big suit
>Small mixed weapon stealth suit teams

Yeah, you're actually running a really wimpy tau force there.

Should probably just make the Hazards a unit, lets you share the very few markers you have with them.

I have never fought vs an Ork/Tyranid army. Is this overkill?

··Crisis Shas'ui [2x Airbursting Fragmentation Projector]
··Crisis Shas'ui [2x Airbursting Fragmentation Projector]
··Crisis Shas'ui [2x Airbursting Fragmentation Projector]

>>45276424
The crisises are fine, the OSC is probably overkill unless your opponent fields tons of vehicles. That said, i also dislike the Ghostkeel, so take my bias with a grain of salt. Powerful for a casual list, weak for a competitive tau list, looks pretty fun to play.

>>45276451
No just tailoring faggotry.

>>45276456

OSC is fine here with almost zero markers and minimum unit sizes. Their native bonuses counter the lack of marker support to an extent, without being large enough units to be overkill.

>>45276451
>He tailors

Scrub

>>45276480
>>45276472

Is

··Crisis Shas'ui [1x Airbursting Fragmentation Projector, 1x Burst Cannon, 1x Flamer]
··Crisis Shas'ui [1x Airbursting Fragmentation Projector, 1x Burst Cannon, 1x Flamer]
··Crisis Shas'ui [1x Airbursting Fragmentation Projector, 1x Burst Cannon, 1x Flamer]

Better?

>>45276502
No.
Still all anti-horde weapons.

>>45276518

Is spamming cheap infantry the only think Orks and Tyranids can do?

>>45276531
BLITZ BRIGADE
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B
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So,
that new book GW released.
It's EUR60.
Is it pure gold?

Is there a better way to get markerlights in an army aside from simply taking more Pathfinders? I was wiping the floor with the Ravenwing player up until he eventually whittled them down to nothing.

>>45276480
>both players not tailoring their armies against one another so the codexes are playing at their best

>>45276531
Orks can spam overcosted heavy infantry and shitty cardboard tanks. Tyranids can spam flyrants.

>>45276565
Marker drones via the Montk'a drone net formation. JSJ is crucial for keeping your laser pointers alive.

>>45276565

Markerlight-specialists:

-Pathfinders.
-Tetra. Think of them as Piranhas with Markerlights.
-Marker Drone Squadron. More survivable. Worse accuracy.

Cascade Method. (boost other markerlight-equipped units)

-Firewarriors with Shas’ui & Markerlight (expensive and not worth it)
-Fireblade
-Sniper Drone Team
-Skyray

Commensal Method. Two units act as one by boosting each other's units.

-Commander w/ Drone Controller, Marker Drone, Target Lock
-Crisis Suit team w/ single Drone Controller, 3x Target Locks, + 6x Marker Drones
-Broadside team w/ single Drone Controller, 2x Target Locks, + 6x Marker Drones

>>45276450
I was trying to make it casualish, too many riptidespam lists turn people away from tau

>>45276456
Overkill for what? I tried to make them general purpose

Anything Else I should take thats fun and not seen much? I was looking at the sniper drone team, they look like an easy conversion

>>45276610
Things that don't work in unbalanced games for a £1000

Speshul taktiks skwad.

"Mogrok's Bossboyz"

Big Mek Mogrok - Warlord
Gift: Da Finkin' Kap, Mega Armour, Kustom Mega-blasta
Joins Lootas

Big Mek
3x Ammo Runt, Gitfinda, Shokk Attack Gun

Big Mek
3x Ammo Runt, Gitfinda, Shokk Attack Gun

Weirdboy Rig Redd
Power of the Waaagh!, Psyker Mastery Level 2
Joins 'Ardboy squad 1

Warboss
Gift: Headwoppa's Killchoppa, 'Eavy Armour, Twin-linked Shoota
Joins 'Ardboy squad 2

>HQ
Painboy
Joins 'Ardboy squad 1

>Troops
10x Gretchin, Runtherd
10x Gretchin, Runtherd

>Fast Attack
2 Skorcha buggies - Outflanks

>Heavy Support
10x Lootas

2x Traktor Kannon w/ Grots, 2x Ammo Runt, 4x Extra Gretchin,
3x Kustom Mega-kannon w/ Grots, 3x Ammo Runt, 6x Extra Gretchin

>Great Waaagh! Detachment

>HQ
Painboy
Joins 'Ardboy squad 2

>Elites
11x Tankbustas
Boss Nob, Bosspole
Trukk, Reinforced Ram, Rokkit Launcha

>Troops
19x Slugga Boys, 'Eavy Armour
Boss Nob, Bosspole, Power Klaw
19x Slugga Boys, 'Eavy Armour
Boss Nob, Bosspole, Power Klaw

>Heavy Support
2 Looted Wagons, Killkannon, Rockit Launcha - Hopes for outflank from Mogrok

No sure if SAG meks should go in Looted tanks or hide with Mek Gunz.

>>45273739
It takes me like an hour just to basecoat 5 fire warriors and a broadside.

>>45276546
Same price as Tauyon, Montka, Exterminatus, Leviathan, etc.

What price were you expecting?

>>45276686
Why would you voluntarily take a Great Waaagh! Detachment without utilizing either the relics or the extra elite slots? It's stupidly inferior to CAD.

Any cheaper ways to get Dragoons?

>>45276774
sure, go to all4wargames, for all your completely legit cheaper-than-retail wargaming needs!`

>>45274186
Dark Eldar Jetbikes also get a 3+ Jink, special weapons that are good anti-tank, and are nice in close combat.

While a 4+ armor save would be nice, they fill a completely different role.

How common is it to run Leman Russes fully loaded up on weapons?

And are any of the variants generally worth taking over the standard? Apart from Vanquishers for tank commanders.

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>>45276798

I feel doubt

>>45276771
Well I figured with them having 'eavy armour their "improved" mob rule might be less of a liability and I was hoping to roll Deep strike on a 5+ for them, the list's theme is overly complicated plans which my or many not blow up in my face.

>>45276818
Anything ordnance shouldnt take any upgrades. Some people like having sponsons, i see them as a waste of points. Most of the variants have uses, although anything with plasma cannons and/or executioners should only be used when there is a reroll available. The standard is pretty good, although ordnance is a pain.

>>45276818
Vanilla, never.

Ordinance don't work well with sponson/hull weapons.

Other variants typically match armament to maximize efficiency against main guns intended targets.

>>45276845
You'll have to use the shitty mob rule either way if your characters join them, since only one model in the unit has to have the rule. It's just that the poor Tankbustas will fail mob rule on anything but a 1 as soon as they lose 3 models, which they will once the Trukk blows up. You also lose out on objective secured which is huge, and all you gain is a gimmicky chance for deep strike that barely works (if your HQ's don't get deep strike from the roll they can't join the troops that do).

Also, you can't use Gifts of Gork and Mork with Mogrok's Bossboyz, since the formation is part of Waaagh! Ghazghkull they have to use Orkimedes' Kustom Gubbinz.

>>45276921
Mogrok's Bossboyz are Red Waagh.

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Come at me, faggots.

Emperor's Fist Tank Company
1000/1000pts

Tank Command squadron (465 points)
Leman Russ Punisher
>Knight Commander Pask
>Lascannon
>Multi-Meltas
>Camo netting
>Dozer blade
Leman Russ Executioner
>Plasma cannons
>Camo netting
>Dozer blade

Leman Russ Eradicator (120 points)

Leman Russ Vanquisher (145 points)
>Lascannon

Leman Russ Battle Tank (150 points)

Enginseer (60 points)
>x2 Servitors

Enginseer (60 points)
>x2 Servitors

>>45276921
>Mogrok's Bossboyz

This is apart of The Red Waaaagh! Not Ghaz

Is a Disruptor Pod (15points, +1 cover) worth it for a Devilfish carrying Breachers? What about Sensor Spines 5 points, Move through Cover) for Hammerhead and the Devilfish?

>>45276960
>Is survivability good

Gee, I don't know

>>45276027

That we have 3 different methods of deploying or redeploying not counting deep striking says to me that maybe it's time to cut the fat...

>>45273493
>used by Legions and Army
>FW makes a new version
>Legion only
>Army can go fuck itself, lol

Why is it so hard for anyone but Marines get Marine stuff, even during a time when there wasn't really "Marine" and "non-Marine" stuff? Army had land speeders, rhinos, land raiders, etc. Even the fucking elite of the elite Solar Auxilia can at best get huge not-Crassus transports that looks like they were made in WW1 while Marines get their own fancy versions of Basilisk, Medusa, Baneblade, Shadowsword, etc.

Yeah, yeah, you can get rhinos and land raiders if you make your Army a bunch of power armoured dudes from the annals of history.

>>45276968

+15 points for a Devilfish that already cost 80 points on base.

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>>45276982
Wow, what an expense, tell me more.

>>45276921
Great waagh has been amended to regular CAD, though now I'm contemplating taking the 'Ardboys down to 12 and give them trukks.

>>45276947
>>45276957
You're right, I forgot about that. It's so weird to have all our formations spread out over 3 books.

The point still stands on the other aspects. Deep strike needs all models to have the rule and the modified mob rule is still in effect (and still worse).

>>45276999

>AV14 open topped in an assault and volume of fire army
>Surprised it's expensive

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

>>45277026
>AV 12
>No weapons
>Explodes to simple pens
>Takes up Heavy slot

Tau really have no idea do you.

>>45277038
>if i cant kill it with one units shooting in one turn, why bother?

>>45277038

No, it's fucking AV 14.

Honestly a zero suit or formation Tau army is kinda shit, you're just used to seeing mecha massacre.

>>45277099
14/12/10

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>>45277045

>>45277099
>No, it's fucking AV 14.
How on earth, is a vehicle with a single facing of 14, but with the longest sides in history that are not ever able to be hit, considered an AV 14 vehicle? A landraider, is AV14, a monolith, is AV14, a Battlewagon is AV12 because that is the facing hit the majority of the time.

So yes, its shit and expensive, but go ahead and cry more about your 15 point 3+ cover save.

>>45277139

How the fuck are you fucking up enough to regularly get hit in side armour before late enough in the game that a transport has already done all it can to contribute?

>>45277155
Does movement phase not exist in your meta?

>>45277171
You should be in assault on T2.

T1 you cover the sides with other vehicles.

>>45277195
Oh you mean those other AV 14 side vehicles I have, so glad I put 350 points before upgrades into transports and slots just to survive a round of shooting!

Oh wait, its open topped and all the people are dead inside. But keep theory crafting, everyone knows the absolutely deadly power that Battlewagons have in tournaments, so you must be right. It's AV12.

Tau non suit units:

Ethereal, Fireblade, some named dudes.

No elites.

Strikers and Breachers, Kroot if counting Auxilliary units.

Pathfinders, Pirahnas, Drones, shit-tier flyers. Vespid.

Sniper Drones, hammerheads and skyrays.

Yeah I guess that's not really an amazing toolbox.

>>45277195
>markerlights remove any cover save given
>large blasts hit 3 vehicles instead of 1

Great idea! Please give us more advice, master tactician

>>45277195

And terrain. If you don't have enough terrain to ram a wall of Ork transports down the gaps with almost zero side exposure, you have shit boards.

>>45277223
>
No, disposable trukks. Even if they get wrecked you're still getting a cover save.

It's not top tier or anything but three wagons+two trukks (to cover the outside edges of the brick) is great against list tailoring fucks. (Don't forget to big up how many boyz you own while he's writing his list)

>>45277242
Durr, everyone knows you have to have completely terrain void boards.

>>45277241
Don't play Tau, Eldar, Decurion Crons, or Gladius Marines.

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What's the best way to guarantee a certain result is rolled when generating psychic powers?

I'm gonna need to make sure I roll the new 6 result in the Plague Discipline of Nurgle.

>>45277264
Or Space Wolves or Daemons in a couple of weeks.
The list is growing.

>>45277256
So now I have to give myself a 35 point Trukk to protect my 115 transport and its vulnerable AV 12 sides for a 5+ save possibly?

And you're still complaining about a 15 point upgrade on a 80 point model?

>>45277274
Take a ton of ML2 Heralds. Throw them into one of the new Nurgle formations.

>>45277274
What does it do again?

>>45277280

Daemoncurion seems kinda shit: The cores need a herald plus as many units as the number of the god, from a list of about half that God's daemons.

60 Daemonettes or 40 flesh hounds seem about the most effective core options, both of which are spammy in the extreme.

>>45277331
The min size squad for Daemonettes is 10?

>>45277324
I probably could run the Tallyband. 21 Nurgling bases certainly helps that out.

I wonder if that's reasonable to include with my main CSM detachment. I really want to +3T my Nurgle Biker Lord w/ bodyguard Spawn unit.

>>45276370
bumping for answers

>>45277331
Was the Soul Grinder formation leaked?

The huge cores don't bug nearly as much as the equally large and spammy auxiliary choices.

>>45277330
WC1-3, Blessing, 24", unit gains +1T per WC used to cast.

Does anyone have a huge image dump of the screenshots of formations? Can't be fucked to pause the youtube video.

LVO Top 8:

>White Scars Battle Company
>Eldar
>Daemons
>Eldar+Corpsethief
>Necrons
>Eldar
>Necrons
>Superfriends

Tau not OP as many people think. Also surprised that no CSM made it into top 8 like years previous.

>>45277397
>Homebrew

Doesn't at all reflect the current game.

>>45277339

Yep. Is for all the lessers.

Worst off is probably Tzeentch, by splitting it into two formations:

Core: Horrors or Flamers

Auxilliary: Screamers or Chariots.

Both requiring 10 units, because the heralds are seperate and GW can't even count to the sacred numbers properly.

Would be very good as a single formation! 2 horrors, 2 chariots, MSU flamers and screamers.

But fuck, who's going to take that many horrors or flamers? For that matter, too many screamers or chariots to be practical either.

>>45277274
Seconded

I play renegades and i'm considering an allied csm sorcerer to give my baneblade invisibility.

Are there any wargear options that would guarantee me to get it every game?

>>45277264
Or dark eldar with free transports and squads of Lilith stat and equip wyches
Oh and every squad has wracks to ignore cover and los

>>45277423
Be'lakor knows all the Telepathy powers. Anyone else will at best get three dice at it. Which is pretty good odds, but far from a guarantee.

>>45277418
>Would be very good as a single formation!

Let's see what that would look like.

9 units from the following list, one of which must be a Herald of Tzeentch or Exalted Flamer:

Screamers, Flamers, Horrors, Burning Chariots.

Benefits:

Herald may share locus with all units within 12".

+1 strength to all Tzeentch ranged weapons and psychic powers.

+1 slashing attack for Screamers.

Hmm... Strong. Not utterly broken though.

>>45277397
Neat

>>45277477
I think if Dark Eldar actually had all that they'd be doing a fair sight better. As it is, Corpsethief is the one formation propping DE up as anything other than Craftworlder caddies.

>>45277397
Tau clearly needed that pre-emptive nerfing.

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At least as far as the upper body piece go they seems roughly on the same level of the current SW pieces

>>45276370
You don't really need the shield eternal on the chapter master, just take a normal SS
Take honor guard instead of the command squad if you can, more bodies, free power weapons, more attacks, 2+ save (which nercons hate)
Your landspeeders are dead on arrival, consider either another thunderfire cannon or something melee
Why no TH/SS termies?

>>45277397
Hey look house rules and meta netlisting faggots.
It's just nercons, eldar, IC SM spam and some FMC daemons players, like normal. These aren't people that play armies, they play lists.

Was there any IA14 info during the forge world weekender?

>>45277963

About the only thing I've heard is that Admech won't be getting any of the robots.

Because fuck making cool models avaliable for the mainstream game and getting more sales, right?

>>45277953
>no shield eternal
don't they have s8 stuff?
>honor guard
but no feel no pain??
>land speeders are dead on arrival
being armor 10 they mitigate the power of gauss weaponry as they just act as normal bolters, plus they work really well in maelstrom missions as I can get to objectives quickly
>no th/ss termies
I don't own any....

I have 30 boyz, painboy, grots with herd, 5 lootas and 3 killa kans finished. Is that enough for a hook-up game in LGS?
I've never played game before (besides demo at GW) don't want to learn on someone's else minis.
Should I get a codex and rulebook before I sign up for this session?

>>45277985
Feel no pain doesn't matter that much if you're in a landraider and can multi-charge stuff in melee. You won't get shot that much

Of course the have high strength stuff, just toss a wound you're worried about to another model.

>>45277993
get your codex and buy the rulebook from Dark Vengeance on ebay if you dont want to spend too much money.
And i'd also recommend you to buy dice, a measuring tape and the three standard templates if you dont want to borrow those things constantly.

I had my sixth game yesterday against a Space Marine player who hadn't gotten any seventh edition games in so we were both really rocky about the rules. After we drew the game because we botched up everything so bad and my opponent left another player who was watching asked what edition we were playing. I told him seventh but he said the guy was playing fourth or fifth mostly.

So some of the botched rules I could use some clarification:

Tactical marines shouldn't be able to drop out of a pod and assault rright?

I can't jink in close combat, correct?

I can take an invulnerable (fnp) after a cover or armour save right?

I always let me opponent know I am jinking but they always tell me to make my jink rolls at different points. Do I do it after he rolls to hit or after to wound.

Do you still use the tactical objective cards for eternal war missions?

>>45277953
I mean one of the necron players is running a fairly unconventional list with praetorians, a monolith and an obelisk. And Pajamapants has brought a different daemon list to every GT he's been at this year so you can hardly say it's exclusively people who "just play lists"

>>45277993
Get the quick reference sheet
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V6.pdf

The ork codex is in the OP mega link, get that too

You have enough orks for a 500 point game, so look do to that and make sure you let your opponent know you're new before you play.

I suggest running the painboy, 30 man 'ard boys mob, painboy, a small grot unit and as many of the killa kans in seperate squads as you can fit.

>>45278061
>Tactical marines shouldn't be able to drop out of a pod and assault rright?
Only through a formation rule can they do this, if they weren't running a formation then they can't
>I can't jink in close combat, correct?
Is close combat a shooting attack?
>I can take an invulnerable (fnp) after a cover or armour save right?
You can only take 1 save ever, but you can take FNP provided the attack doesn't negate it
>I always let me opponent know I am jinking but they always tell me to make my jink rolls at different points. Do I do it after he rolls to hit or after to wound.
You jink to avoid pens and glances, but before results are rolled, otherwise it's just like taking a save, you roll it after being wounded
>Do you still use the tactical objective cards for eternal war missions?
Nope, but if you want to there's nothing stopping you

So, Howling Banshees are listed as having Power Weapons, rather than Power Swords.

There are old Howling Banshees models that are equipped with axes instead.

Would a few of those put into a squad be useful? I'd imagine they'd function similarly to a powerfist or the like for similar units, being an Unweildly AP 2 weapon at higher strength.

>>45275509
From a Daemon standpoint, you're gonna need Daemonettes and a Herald right off the bat because we don't yet have formations, so we still have to stick to Bound to keep Objective Secured. Soul Grinders are ALWAYS a plus, and Hellflayers are hilariously effective when they hit a soft target, especially since opponents typically have no idea how to handle them on the table.

Also, you'd be surprised at how effective Raptors are in a Slaanesh list.

>>45278142
no, banshees have power swords.

>>45278124
>You jink to avoid pens and glances,
My bikers don't get penned or glanced though.

My opponent was just using a CAD

>You can only take 1 save ever, but you can take FNP provided the attack doesn't negate it

This confused me a bit. So if my command squad jinks they can't FnP?

Another thing that messed me up was I took out a rhino turn one that was a dedicated transport for some tactical so I thought it was the same unit but I couldn't grenade launcher the carp out of when their box popped.

>>45278319

Read the rules for feel no pain.

Casual reminder Kaldor Draigo is insecure enough to hide behind three different invulnerable saves.

>>45278319
FNP isn't a save.
Infantry can't junk unless they're on bikes
A squad and its transport are two different units.

>>45278319
>This confused me a bit. So if my command squad jinks they can't FnP?
FNP isn't a save.

You can take one of cover/armour/invulnerable AND FnP.

>>45278319
You get wounded, you make a save. Your best save. It can be armour, cover (inc. Jink) or invulnerable save. When this save fails, you can attempt to negate the wound caused with an FNP roll. If this succeeds, the wound is negated and it'll count as saved.

FNP is not a saving throw, it merely negates a wound and makes it count as saved for any rules purposes.

>>45278319
>another thing that messed me up was I took out a rhino turn one that was a dedicated transport for some tactical
Squad and transport are two different units. They's why they can move separately, shoot separately, etc.

You choose to shoot the transport or the squad, not both.

Also - if they were one unit then the squad couldn't get onboard (because the whole unit must embark...)

Wtf happened to bitzbarn?

>>45276302
That might be the worst list I have ever seen...

>>45277397
Sick homebrew tourney bro!

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Place yer bets boys, my money is on Orks! I haven't even seen the lists yet

>>45277397
What's the daemons list that came 3rd?

>>45280076
Orks.

>>45280076
>Optimized Stealth Cadre
>2 Riptides
Ok I'm starting to think Orks might have a bit harder time...

>>45280076
Orks are going to win.

>>45277397
>11 fucking pages of houserules for a tourney
oh my

>>45280263
ITC garbage

>>45277397
The Necrons and Eldar spam probably pushed them out of Top 8. I'm curious to see the Daemon list. I hope it's something cool like last year's Lictor + Mawloc strat.

Is there anything stopping you from targeting a vehicle with the sacrifice power's unsavable wound?

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>>45280293
>Flyrants and spore mine troops
>Cool

>>45280348
Yes, vehicles don't take wounds.

>>45280359
What am I missing, why the Lictors

>Imperial Bastion
Wat. I hope he at least modeled it like a Tyranid Bio structure

>>45280412
Stops the mawlocs missing with their double-explosion thing.

>>45277397
>Tau not OP as many people think.
They are, just mainly in casual play.

If an Eldar player brings a list of only scatt-bikes and WK's you know he's being a massive dick.

If a Tau player brings ghostkeel's, riptides and the new GC they got he's just being a standard Tau player.

>>45280263

Its mostly just FAQs if you read it, it is very little in the way of rules modifications.

>>45280290

You'd get your shit shoved in by the top 8 regardless of houserules or not.

>>45280512
Oy vey! Your knife ears are showing, Eldrard.

if I were to ever run a tournament, not that I ever will, it would be:

>Standard 40k
>all current official GW books allowed as corrected by official errata
>No forgeworld because that's not standard 40k
>Unbound OK (it is in the BRB)
>Variable game length (as in the BRB on pg 133)
>Missions and objectives as stated in the BRB
>1000 points

>>45277418
Well you can bring Exalted Flamers as part of the 9 units which with +1 to their weapon strength can actually fuck shit up.

I'm planning on running it with 4 squads of 18 horrors and 5 exalted flamers

>>45280483
Oh wow, thats a cool tactic, too bad the rest of the list is nothing but spores

>>45280512
He's also basing it off a ITC homebrew that nerfed the Tau units before their first tournament with the new stuff

>>45273216
>Not Saim-Hann
I bet you don't even go fast

I'm incredibly surprised that, with how much bitching about GW balance goes on in this thread, people berate the tournament format that nerfed Tau as "homebrew".

Having read it, it only seemed to nerf shit that was just RAI vs RAW a.k.a GW writing shitty rules.

>>45280547
This seems like it would be possibly the worst tournament ever to run.

>>45280547
1500 point tournament
Single CAD.
No formations.
No GC / Super Heavies

Bring it back to the old days.

>>45280621
Die in a ditch ITC shill.

woah dude like what if there was a chapter of space marines but their geneseed came from an albino so they were all vulnerable to sunlight and had white skin and hair

>>45280621

Its the fucking faggy Ork Blitz Brigade krew that are acting like shitters now.

>>45280621
>RAI
In your opinion that was what was intended I personally believe the RAW was RAI, and on top of that without the RAW tau just get fucked in ultra competitive environments.

>>45280547
I hope this is bait, because God damn if that's not the most retarded piece of shit idea.
>official errata
There are literal game-breaking issues in there including grav weapons in mixed armor units.
>No forgeworld because that's not standard 40k
Arbitrary and limiting to the armies that need that shit for balance.
>Variable game length (as in the BRB on pg 133)
OK, not a detriment, but whatever
>Unbound
Will lead to more BS than creativity but whatever.
>Missions and objectives as stated in the BRB
Maelstrom right, right?
>1000 points
Fucking kek, there is no way to have TAC lists at 1k points, it would be nothing but spam.

so here's a list i'm thinking about since deamons got a leak

Grand cavalcade 715
2 squads of 3 fiends
4 squads of 10 deamonettes
herald, lv2, exalted loci, greater etherblade

gorethunder battery 545
herald on chariot
3 skullcannons

keeper of secrets, lv3, greater, greater

Cad
exalted flamer

11 pink horrors
10 bloodletters

slaanesh soulgrinder, phlegm
burning chariot

it's pretty limited in anti tank or ranged support but 4++ &+1/-1 to warpstorm should hold up fairly well

>>45280547
>okay anon. i'm bringing in double cad my farseer on bike, jetbikes with scatter lasers, and 2 wraithknights. now that we don't have any of that scary forgeworld out tournament can be amazing! ;)

>>45280076
I can spoil as much as it's a close as fuck fight.

Between a pretty damn optimized ork list and a first time gamer's first tau list.
And the Tau player is unlucky as fuck

>>45280550
Biggest issue with that is the heavy weapon

>>45280621
How the hell would they know what the RAI are if they have literally no connection to GW?

>>45280648
Everyone here hates ITC m8, nothing new

>>45280682
Yeah he is getting insanely unlucky haha

>>45280621
What makes you say that? Modern detachment and formations are so flexible that running unbound, especially in a lower point game, is a mistake.

Variable game length makes it harder to schedule, but it also changes things tactically a lot because you don't know exactly when the game will end.

In general 40k scales down better than it scales up. Taking a ghostkeel or three at 2000 points is easy, but at 1000 points that ghost keel is a serious chunk of your army right there, so you had best be sure it is worth it.

>>45280648
DIS GIT CANT HANDLE DA BLITZ

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>>45280719
>Modern detachment and formations
You mean Decurion generation detachments and formations

>>45280716

Yurops butt mad about popular tournament formats because it's done by Americans. I bet if limey cucks we're the ones behind it you would all be singing their praises. Pathetic.

>>45280756
What an incredibly childish response with no basis and flat out accusations that hold no weight. Thank you for wasting precious seconds of my life with that utter drivel.

>>45280263
Adepticon and Nova also have these things. Timed tournament play requires independent FAQs to ensure quick and accurate play.

>>45280124
IIRC Alan Bajramovic's list:
CAD

Fateweaver 300

D-Thirster: 2 greater rewards, 1 lesser reward 325

Pink Horrors 99

Pink Horrors 99

8 Screamers 200

CAD

Be’lakor 350

Tzeentch Herald: Disc, Exalted, Lv. 3 150

Tzeentch Herald: Disc, Exalted, Lv. 3, Exalted Locus of Conjuration 175

Nurglings 45

Pink Horrors 99

>>45280719
>running unbound
Either pointless or exploited for spamming smashfuckers or wraithknights, so bad.
> but it also changes things tactically a lot because you don't know exactly when the game will end.
Wow, more RNG in 40k, totally what is needed in a competitive environment, it's not a problem, but it's not a positive by any stretch.
>In general 40k scales down better than it scales up.
ha, just wow, no. At higher points you can have take all comers lists, at low points you can't prepare for spam, and AV walls, GCs, and deathstars crammed under the points value will dominate at unbelievable efficiency.
see every complaint about multiple riptides at 1k in this thread.

>>45280793

I think the euro trash doth protest too much!

Or maybe you're from that failure of a nanny state down under.

I'm sorry Americans are the only ones who can get their shit together in a competitive environment.

>>45280756
I'm American you fucking moron, throwing out rules that are clear RAW and then keeping shit like double CAD, multiple LoW, and straight broken formations really makes for a great tournament setting :^)

>>45280826
Burger anon, you're embarrassing us again.

>>45280826
Stop posting anytime, you're doing a great job at making us all look retarded

>>45280833

Which formations are those?

>Last thread: GW Financials Autism
>This thread: Tournament Format Autism
I wonder what kind of autism will be in the next thread!

>>45280863
>>45280852

Sure you are, sheepfuckers. Don't you have done durkacock to suck?

>>45280905
can we pretend to be grey knights and complain about deamons fucking up things? i would like that

>>45280914
>can't argue his point
>devolves into insults
Wew thanks for making all look like faggots

>>45280928
Now it's Dark Angels fucking up things under daemonic suggestion

>>45280928
Speaking of GK's I just read Sons of Titans and I really enjoyed Nurgle side of things instead of Khorne.

The way the ship was described as it turned was transformed by the daemons was really great.

>>45280943
>dark angels
>not space yiffs and their daemonic possession

>>45280657
>>45280716
RAI is more often that not, fucking obvious.

GW have stated time and time again that they write rules to be intuitive.

If someone comes at you with some unintuitive bullshit they can do, it is probably RAW, not RAI.

It's harder to tell what's intuitive when there's hundreds of neckbeards screaming different interpretations down every orifice.

Case in point with the WE chainaxes thing in 30k.

When I first read that I took it to mean that WE's can change any CCW they have for a chain axe.

But then literally every WE players says "Nooo, silly anon, it means your units all get free chain axes :^)!"

>1 FW email reply later

No they can't, the rules aren't meant to be unintuitve, neckbeards just like to come up with bullshit to buff their army.

>>45276362
Thing that pisses me off about finecast is when it works, it actually does look a lot better than metal on some models, but it is just so fucking inconvenient to work with.

>>45280820
>IIRC Alan Bajramovic's list
Kind of gay, but at the same time it's not FMC spam and it's not a full blown screamer star and it makes use of the glorious D-thirster.

>>45280967
There is no chaos in the Wulfen, in the worst case it's just a fuck up of the Emperor It actually makes them more resistant to the warp, actually
It's the Dark Angels that listen to the Changeling and start a crusade against Fenris even if Stern tells him to stop doing that shit

>>45281040
>There is no chaos in the Wulfen, in the worst case it's just a fuck up of the Emperor It actually makes them more resistant to the warp, actually
I don't believe it.

What was that quote again? A mutant wears his heresy for all to see?

>>45281040
>listen to the changeling
whoa its almost like they dont know hes a daemon because, you know, he can be anyone