MTG Modern General

>>44672238
Tron has been getting blown out though.

>>44672238
if sword of the meek gets unbanned how viable would tezzerater be?

So, continuing a topic from last thread. Is there anywhere the modern community can go now to view matchup win percentage of archetypes now that such data is gone from MTGgoldfish?

>>44672324
mtgtop8.com

What's a fun non-red deck archetype to play? I typically play either burn or R/G Aggro, so I am going for something new to make/play.

>>44672339
>>44672324
mtgtop8, and one of the mods from mtgs has a really nice site going with modern play data that is much better than mtgtop8, I think it's called modernnexus

>>44672371
what's your budget and what type of deck do you want to play, modern has dozens of different archetypes

Why is Tron so best?

mono-u and uw don't apply, obviously

Esper control or Jeskai control, which is the least shit?

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Top Decks (source: Modern Nexus). Do note decks below Naya Company often flicker between Tier 2 and Tier 3 (last time we had Knightfall, for example).

>>44672424

Because you get to cast HUGE THINGS.

>>44672339
Doesn't mtgtop8 only have the percentage of the meta each deck takes up (in a radically inaccurate manner)? Not trolling, I just can't find the information I'm looking for.

>>44672424
because you can play it completely on autopilot and get to play the big smashy boom cards

>>44672371
mono green stompy, budget zoo

>>44672424
Because Ulamog speeds up the deck's "Game Over" aspect. No need to work hard to get to Emrakul anymore.

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Built this pile the other week. Went 3-1 last FNM. Thank god for Burn/Zoo/Affinity meta

4x Bloodstained More
4x Wooded Foothills
2x Blood Crypt
2x Overgrown Tomb
1x Godless Shrine
1x Stomping Grounds
3x Ghost Quarter
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Dragonskull Summit
2x Swamp
1x Forest
1x Mountain

4x Bloodghast
2x Golgari Bloodscale
1x Squee, Goblin Nabob
1x Vengeful Pharoah

4x Faithless Looting
4x Life from the Loan
4x Smallpox
3x Lingering Souls
3x Zombie Infestation
2x Magma Vortex
1xConflagrate
1x Flame Jab
1x Raven's Crime

1x Abrupt Decay
1x Go for the Throat
1x Murderous Cut
2x Terminate
2x Darkblast

SB
3x Ancient Grudge
3x Ray of Revelation
1x Bojuka Bog
2x Jund Charm
1x Vengeful Pharoah
1x Golgari Brownscale
1x Terminate
1x Lingering Souls
2x Dreadbore

I wish they reprinted cycling lands.

>>44672555
It's just Loam Pox

>>44672317
Bitter Ordeal with pyrite backup
Some game 2's require Master of Etherium to come in and beat a little face if I'm afraid of stony silence or rip

>>44672238
Oh goodie, more amulet bloom.

>>44672604

It is, which is why I had fun with it, but didn't expect to win

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>>44672555

>That pic

Mah nignog

>>44672648
going to need a source on that anon

>>44672324

The old matchup analysis page is still on goldfish though it's obviously a bit outdated but still worth perusing a bit.

mtggoldfish.com/metagame/breakdown/modern

>>44672691

Just search Akai Mato.

Not for fans of pegging, femdom, chastity, orgasm denial and forced feminization

>>44672555

I still have no clue what to do vs BGx decks when they land an ooze. Relics and RIPs are ez to play around, but Ooze just adds a clock

>>44672606
That's another way to do it. I usually bring in Erase for those match-ups and just combo out.

How salty/whiny are people in your meta when you bust it out?

Post the craziest, most illogical unban you'd actually want to see happen

For me it's Sensei's Divining Top

>>44672804
Deathrite Shaman

>>44672804

Hypergenesis
Glimpse of Nature
Dread Return

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>>44672238
I'm gonna keep dredgeposting and you can't stop me

Is there any chance ravagers will go down in price?

That Amulet Bloom player really punted. Don't open yourself to the opponent's ONLY ONLY ONLY out.

>>44672804
Second Sunrise
Dread Return

>>44672804
Preordain and Ponder. While also banning a storm piece and snapcaster mage to compensate.

>>44672830
>Hypergenesis
What makes this significantly more broken than Living End?

>>44672804
Skullclamp and Artifact Land

>>44672804

JITTE. It all comes down to which Rhino hits first.

>>44672895
Putting an Emrakul or something of that caliber onto the battlefield T3 seems better than 3 or so Cyclers.

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>>44672867
>Is there any chance [modern staple] will ever go down in price?

>>44672895

Cascade into Hypergenesis putting an Emrakul into play. That's one of the options.

>>44672932
Man, this inflation of prices is bullshit They should have re released ravagers in MM2.

>>44672976
>Wizards should have done something right!

You're asking for a lot man.

If Tron is king, doesn't that mean it'll soon be burn's time to usurp the throne?

>>44672943
>>44672929
You need both a cascade card and a fatty to make it work, though, whilst Living End only needs the Cascade card in a deck made of cantrips

>>44673030
Tron is never king, it forever surfs the sinusoid of free win matchup metagame and awful matchup metagame

>>44672414

Budget is... well, budget.

I'm not usually a big fan of control, honestly, even though I have some decent spells for it.

>>44672492

I'll look into them.

>>44673034
Decks run Progenitus, Emrakul, Ulamog, Jin-Gitaxias, etc. and being able to do it at instant speed with Violent Outburst seems exceedingly better than Cantripping bad creatures.

RG Tron is for brain dead babbies, prove me wrong

You can't even do that

>>44673080

Your jelly is showing

>>44673085
don't play stompy if you want a change of pace, it's exactly the same as GR aggro

Tokens used to be my go-to reasonably priced deck that's fun, interesting and pretty good but holy shit those IoK prices.

>>44673146
you are right, but also salty

Anal devastated Mono blue tron player detected. Sorry if you don't like winning.

>>44673160
Search your feelings, you know it to be true

I play merfolk so tron is a pretty fun MU to play for me

>>44673034

Living End is also quite vulnerable to GY disruption. Theoretical Hypergenesis decks in Modern if it was legal can also drop in a Progenitus, Griselbrand, Terastodon. On a lesser note it can also put in a Deciever Exarch and a Splinter Twin.

Pls unban Dread Return. Dredge dindu nuffin. Relic and Nihil spellbomb MD will keep the deck at bay

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>>44673178
>RG tron players aren't even capable of replying

>>44672793
It's Fucking hilarious
I do bring in disenchants too

>>44673226

LE can simply play its plan B of hardcasting its creatures. Some builds pack in Avalanche Riders so it becomes virtually 11 stone rain.dec

>>44673230
What would a modern dredge deck even look like, you're missing like half the cards even wth DR unbanned

>>44673230
If they unbanned Dread Return dredge would be close in power level to its Legacy counterpart
I mean I would love that shit but it ain't happening

>>44673146
Nobody's going to try to prove you wrong.
Every new player is playing Tron right now.

>>44673268

Yeah but why would you want to ever hardcast creatures if Hypergenesis was legal? Lets just dump entire hands onto the tabnle.

>>44673283

It'll pack in shit like Grisly Salvage and that Satyr that dumps creatures to your yard. I recall seeing a list with Craterhoof Behemoths and Unburial Rights during mid-Khans block that died out fast. Its pretty cool but Unburial Rights is way too slow.

The lack of Ichorids, 1 mana discard outlets and Cabal Therapy hurt it though

>>44672238
>Decks that can take out Tron fold to everything else
>Decks that can take out Decks that can take out Tron fold to Tron

Tron tier 0 when?

>>44673374

Same shit happened back in Caw-Blade era standard

>Decks that have good chances of beating Cawblade fold to Valakut
>Valakut folds to Cawblade

>>44673285
it will never be close without cabal therapy

and it will especially never be close without lions eye diamond

or ichorids for that matter

>>44673420

And it went back too as far as Affinity era Standard.

I want Amulet Bloom to do poorly this tournament so it reduces the chance of a ban

>>44672555

>reprint cycling lands

I wish Shadows of Innistrad would have that. I can see Cycling making a comeback along with Madness, but that's just me daydreaming. It will truly make an impact on the format as Loam decks will now be a real thing

>>44673373
What would you use to sac to DR though? You got Narcomoebas and I guess Bloodghast could work

Then you have the lack of drawing power with no cards like Breakthrough or Bazaar, so you get to use Faithless Looting and what else? And as you said, no Cabal Therapy

I'd never see a DR unban coming because dredge is boo boo mean unfun but I don't even think it'd be that good in modern

>>44672895
Hypergenesis is just so much more robust, you have no idea.
LE gets demolished by a lot of incidental sources, requires you to sit there cycling for three turns, and doesn't have the absolutely horrid nonbo of drawing tons of cards when your game plan requires you to have specific cards in your deck and not your hand.

>>44673510

Satyr Wayfinders
Mana dorks

>>44673250
Disenchants are great in terms of versatility, but I usually find it hard to spare two mana the turn before going off.

I think most of my sideboard cards are one mana even, but it changes a lot so I'm not sure right now.

John Taylor misplay vs Amulet Bloom, giving him an untapped land with his ghost quarter which enables him to play another amulet and push out titan this turn instead of next one.
Meanwhile, chat is circlejerking how op the deck is.. oh man, why are so many people so fucking retarded

>>44673616
This

The deck is good but people tend to over-exaggerate it. I'm betting it will eat some crippling ban because of how hard people cry over this deck

2bh I wish more people in my meta played Bloom. It's close to free wins for my Elves unless they go for Hivemind win

>>44673616
True, it seems a lot of the complaints with Bloom is player's not knowing how to deal with it, or not wanting to deal with it even, if you look at people's deck lists.

It looks like everyone's already anticipating a ban, but I could see Bloom jumping the gun, which could be very interesting for the modern meta, or precipitate a historical emergency ban in response to player complaints.

>>44673665
Sadly yes. Its incredible how everyone is raging about the SCG Cincinnati perfomance, disregarding the fact that Bobby was probably one of the luckiest player in the tournament with how many nut hands he drew. Also completly disregarding all the fucking misplays his opponents were doing.
Most people, especially almost all of the pro's only want it banned because it forces them to play differently.

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>mono blue tron

>Mono U Tron deck tech

There goes the budget Tron deck.

>>44673743
Thanks someone understands me. The deck is just completly different from other decks, but no one actually wants to think differently so they cry about the turn 2 titans that maybe happen 10% of the time.
I really want to trust wizards, I hope they don't ban it. But I think even if they didn't want to ban it, they have to because all of the community outrage and everyone talking nonstop how ridicoulus the deck is.

>U tron

Ayyyyy

>Academy Ruins, Mindslavers, Wurmcoil Engines spike incoming

>>44673840
Not banning would probably be the healthy solution in the long term, but I play die-hard eggs so I'm a little biased towards players playing unconvential decks.

>>44673840

The community should suck it up. I really hate this generation of MtG players. If this were a fighting game, the devs would tell them to suck it up and get good if it isn't obviously and factually broken

What about Blue Moon vs Tron?

>>44673914
The thing with eggs is, it took so fucking long.

>>44673918
I really really hope they don't ban it. Would restore my trust in WotC. But imagine the outlash if they didn't ban it. Knowing reddit and the kind of users there are, there would be probably thousands "jumping ship" like with the judge supsension thing

>>44673984
True, but modern iterations are significantly faster to perform, only a little slower than Bloom maybe.

>i-infect j-just won turn 3! B-but I don't have to play around it differently so its okey

btw really nice match, dismembering his own land, wow

>>44672555

Man Loam Pox is such a fun deck to play, I wish it gets more tools in the near future.

>>44674158
What are its strengths and weaknesses? Looks like a cool deck that doesnt cost that much

>>44674210
If it doesn't draw its engines it just doesn't do anything
It folds to graveyard hate
It folds to Tron

It can outgrind pretty much every other deck

>>44674210

Its good against aggro, with the exception of Merfolk because of Spreading Seas and unblockability. It has the capability to end games if it manages to draw into Magma Vortex and Life from the Loan. It plays around traditional GY hate well, but struggles against continuous effects like Scaveging Ooze and RIP.

It's problematic matchups are combo decks game 1, but can manage to catch up game 2 with more Raven's Crime postboard to strip their hand senseless, and Tron due to it not giving a shit and packing MD Relics.

lmao bw tokens

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>>44673914
>people actually think wizards won't trigger ban things
>in modern
>MFW

>>44674366

Surprisingly 8-0 though.

>>44674143

Can someone tell me the details of the infect match? I couldnt watch it cause of work :(

>>44674366
>>44674409
there's a tokens player at my shop, it's way underrated. getting 4-6 tokens and dropping that token athem or sad sorin can make big fucking swings out of nowhere.

>>44674410
Only the last match was on camera.

Taylor had a glistener elf, 2 lands and hierarch. His enemy had 2 poison counters.
The taps his dryad arbor for mana, fucking dismembers it, protects his elf with the 2 mana protection spell (forgot the name) against the enemy voice of resurgence and with the dismember and dryad he has enough cards in the graveyard to cast become immense for the win

>>44674450

It is actually a very resilient deck if a little slow and hard to hate on. But the Tron matchup is not the greatest.

>>44673374
>>44673420
When did tron become so powerful? Last I checked fast combo, twin, and fast aggro decks could easily beat it.

>>44674541
when tron players pulled their head out of their ass and started mainboarding spellskite to give them an edge in the infect/twin match up.

>>44674541
The new Ulamog is pretty powerful for the deck

>>44674534
IMO tokens isn't great, but at least better than elves which completly fold to bordwipe, while tokens only get set back

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>twin fags getting blown out by weenie tokens

>>44674570

Better get an extra copy of Newlamog before it spike D:

>>44674534
I would imagine that Tokens runs enough hand disruption to fuck up a Tron player's match.

Is that not the case?

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>waiting for XMage to add the last cards from OGW so I can start testing my shitty brew

>>44674596
Already got my copy, and it already spiked.

>>44674580

I actually play Elves and my tech against the usual fast damage based board wipes is Mark of Asylum. I've considered running Dauntless Escorts in the side too.

I've also been really tempted to go an old old route involving Ant Queen and Eldrazi Monument

man I had to run outside and see what was fucking with my dog, what happened in the token vs twin match on stream? the fucking twitch chat is full of football fags talking about sportball or some shit that isn't MTG

>>44674596

It's already 30 bucks.

>>44674596
Modern prices are so retarded right now. As a broke student my heart cries everytime something spikes, which happens a lot right now

>>44674636

I have my Pre-Release Promo. Nobody wanted it before now everyone on my LGS want to buy it.

I've never been so happy in my entire life lulz.

>>44674659

Why not just chord for Forge Tenders? Some other tech is Wrap in Vigor

>>44674663
tokens won the first match, just overwhelmed him with tokens
oh also gideon secret tech

>>44672887
Underrated post.

>>44674609

You just have to race. Don't have time to try and setup your tokens to be bigger. Just have to go full aggro. It's not a matter of if they can hit tron but a matter of when. And when they do just pray that they don't drop an Ugin and wipe the board for 0.

>>44674690

I do, but Forge Tenders don't help against Damnation(yes that gets played in my area amongst Junk/Abzan decks) or an O-Stone activation.

TRON BEST

>>44674786

Yeah, Dauntless Escort is your way to go. As for O.Stone and Ugin I personally go for Revokers

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Why is Magic spilling into my second stream?

>>44674874

Cockborne

>>44674663
Is your dog OK?

>>44674867

I actually have some time against Ugin and O-stone but when they do blow up it blows up hard. Funnily enough there's no RG Tron in my area but there is some Mono U Tron(I even play U Tron myself) so there's usually not a super fast Ugin all the time.

>>44672710

It doesn't show each decks win percentage against other decks when you click on a deck any more

>>44674963

Ahhh damn, sorry dude tried to help.

>>44674925
yeah, a stray cat was trying to eat his food. he wont bite anything alive (old bird dog) so he was just barking at it really loud while it ignored him. I slapped it with a broom and ran it off.

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>>44675073

faggot dog

>>44675114
ur a faget

>>44674609
These guys got mad at me when I ran 4 IoK and 4 Thoughtsieze. They made me use 3 of each.

At least I can sell an IoK now.

Anyway I knocked off Ugin twice with TS. At the time I had just bought and was testing Surgical Extraction so I removed it from the opponent's deck and barely managed to squeeze out two wins out of 6 games. No sideboard being used by either side.

>>44674930

What a coincidence I also play U Tron. My decks are Elves, U Tron and Stompy. My meta has 2 RG Tron players, 2 Bloom players and a lot of fair decks like Grixis and BGx. I get to see a lot of pyroclasm, and BGx tries to board in Damnation which seldom shows up, and they get blown up by Chameleon Colossus

Welp, B/W Tokens just went 9-0

Time to buy some Bitterblossoms.

>>44675225

You must enjoy losing

B/W tokens 9-0

>>44675262

Not really, I just won a PR pass the other week, and have been consistently winning top 3. Elves is great

>>44675254
was he even running blossom? i didnt see his list but I didn't see him play it either

>>44675318
He did in the first game

>>44675318

it was the main reason he won game 1 i feel like

>>44675332
oh, must've missed it.

>>44675318
Yep, won him a game too in previous feature match

Coming home from my LGS' Montly Modern.
48 people, went 7-1 with Boros Burn splashing Black and Green.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-08-15-boros-burn/

2-0 vs BW Eldrazi
0-2 vs Affinity
2-1 vs Naya Zoo
2-1 vs BW Tokens
2-1 vs MB Eldrazi
T8 2-0 vs Affinity
T4 2-1 vs Naya Burn
T2 2-0 vs UR Twin

The Eldrazi meme is real, at least 10 people playing different versions of that shit. The BW one is shit but the mono-black one made top 8.

>>44672804
Chrome mox.
>>44672830
I'd say glimpse but I don't think it is that insane really.

>>44675380

Glimpse will propel Elves. They'll probably shove in Scryb Sprite just for that untap even though it's not en Elf due to the lack of Symbiotes and Quirion Rangers.

>>44675361
Why not run Bump in the Night if youre already splashing black?

>>44675225

I play U Tron, Elves, Ad Nauseam, BW Tokens, Protean Hulk combo and halfway building Wilt Leaf Abzan. I dunno something about amusing tier 2 decks just appeal to me. That and building decks that don't absolutely need Scalding Tarns, well with the exception of the Hulk deck but that's under reconstruction and has some proxies in it which is fine for casual play.

Oddly enough I don't face much Pyroclasms, mostly Anger of the Gods so that one extra turn can usually lead me to doing dumb things like Nettle+Heritage shenanigans into llanowars/mystics into a Collected Company and finding an E-Witness+Elf and then grabbing CoCo and still having just enough mana to cast it again somewhere around turn 2. Did this to my friend who plays Affinity and he's laughing and all bananas saying "Usually i'm the one to empty my hand first."

If tokens keeps wining tomorrow Auriok Champion will be $50 by the end of the day.
A $50 Soul Sister.
What a wonderful time to be alive.

>>44675494
You can run mires instead of tarns in the bubble hulk deck, changes almost nothing

>>44675529

Isn't it $50 already? I know foils are $100

>>44675494

Yeah I like playing tier 2 decks. Most of the time they hold their own and have a pretty high chance of winning small tournaments, although in big tournies its usually a dice roll that you don't face a bad matchup and just accept it. Plus, tier 2 deck strategies are way more unique and fun than the tier 1 pillars have. They're funky, cool and fun

You run E.Witness? I'm having a hard time shoving her in my list. I run Gwb, splash white for forge tenders and black for Shaman of the Packs. I run 4 Dwynen Elites as they are value and enable broken turn 2s with turn 1 Heritage Druid. My toolbox critters are Spellskite, and depending on the meta, either MD burrenton, rec sage or revoker.

I don't like the affinity matchup desu. Game 1 is usually mine, but when those whipflares come in, and I don't have a chord or a Fracturing gust, I just fold

I'm getting tired of losing matches because of a single artifact hate sideboard card.

What is a easy to pilot control or combo deck that I could play when getting frustrated with affinity?

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>Cedric Phillips playing Twin

>>44675531

Yeah I probably could. Just lazy since they're in my Standard deck atm which i'm not playing for a while anyway since people caught wise to my trick in RG Landfall of a Valakut Predator that goes in unblocked then ends up as a 10/10 and double strikes before damage.

>>44675638

Ad Nauseam

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>>44675361
>BW Eldrazi

>>44675638
Grix twin or grix control.

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Is there some way to abuse this? It's pretty neat.

Can I get the playmat with just the wolves?

>>44675683

>JtMS's ultimate is pretty brutal!
>How can we bring an effect like that into Standard?
>I know! Lets make it target YOU!

>>44674534
Notthing beats Tron so why even care.
If you beat Twin, Junxs and Aggros you can forfeir the Tron match and still top 8 the same way Tron forfeits the Burn match and still top 8s.

>>44675683
Relic turn 1, relix self Lab Maniac turn 3, this turn 4, into gitaxian probe to win

>>44673743
How do you deal with it? Say I have access to all colors and they are going off turn 2 on the play.

>>44675683
I want to crack a Tormod's crypt and then transfer control of that creature spell to my opponent while it is on the stack.

I don't know if I can though, and it would likely be too awkward and impractical to be useful.

Not really Modern related but what were they thinking when they printed Time Walk?
1U for a whole extra turn? What the fuck lol

>>44674676
>I have my Pre-Release Promo. Nobody wanted it
Really? I sold that shit for $80 the very same day.

>>44675797
Cards weren't that good back then, it didn't do nearly as much

>>44675797

It's early design MtG. Lots of TCGs suffer through that until now so it's no surprise at all

>>44675578

My list is still a Gw list but i'm considering switching or adding in black. I'm at a constant war between Visionaries and Dwynen's Elite as to how many and what ratio I should have between the decks and whatnot. I do maindeck Rec Sage and Spellskite as well, seems like there's always a live target somewhere.

Against Affinity my only real problem is really just the flyers or an Inkmoth with cranial plating game 1. Game 2 i got Kataki, an extra copy of Rec Sage, Beast Within and Fracturing Gust. This is anecdotal but personally for me overall the one advantage i've found against Affinity game 1 is that you mulligan less hands on average.

>>44674475
Now that is neat.

>>44675826
They also cost too little so we needed to bump everything to six cost to balance it out.

>>44675797
>oh no, he gets to draw a card and attack with his craw wurm again!

it really wasn't that bad back then.

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>>44675729

>Notthing beats Tron

Tron beats Tron anon.

>>44674475
Sick fucking math d00d
What was he playing against? Infect family senpai we pumpin

>>44675904
I think it was naya company, can't remember 100%

>>44675931
>>44675904
either that or abzan company

>>44675842

I run 3x Visionary and 4x Dwynen's Elite. The Elite just gives you pure value, even if you don't CoCo into nuts, casting multiple Elites or getting it through CoCo is really good, even better if you're going the beatdown route.

I run 2x Shaman of the Pack MD and usually board out at least 1 depending on the matchup. That thing just steals games where you hardcast Shaman of the Pack and chord into another; its scummy. It also gives you a way out vs decks that pack Worship.

Vs Affinity I board in Kataki, RecSages, Fracturing Gusts and Burrenton Forge Tenders. The manlands have proven to be troublesome time and time again, especially inkmoth and Playing. They just attack you from multiple angles game 2, from the threat of being whipflared, to Inkmoth+Plating that it's hard to keep up unless Chord comes out or you draw into hate

>>44675439
Because I want to beat Naya Burn and Affinity and that means not fetching for shocks other than Sacred G1 and not shocking for shocks other than Sacred G2-3 unless absolutely necessary.

It's worked so far, people keep bolting themselves to cast Atarka's Command and it's not worth it against anyone but Jund/Junk.

>>44675941
I couldn't have ben Abzan, that deck can't lose to infect.

>>44675571
$25-$31 but that foil price predicts another victory for israel.

>>44675638
>control
This is Modern, nigger.

>>44676065
EBIN XD

>>44675826

That's actually not it. You could end up with fast turn 2 kills(some old cases of turn 1 kills too) as well because very very very old mulligan rules allowed you to keep on doing a mulligan if you had no lands or all lands.

It was all entirely possible to get a Ball of Lightning, cast Blood Lust on it then Berserk it in the attack step on turn 2.

Posting infect list since everyone seems to play it, I've been tweaking it a bit so I want some advice based on anecdotes, ask about any decisions too

>Main

4 Elf
4 Hierarch
4 Agent
4 Vines
4 Swell
2 Mutagenic
3 Become Immense
1 Rancor
2 Defiance
2 Skite
2 Visions
4 Probe
1 Image
2 Apostle's
1 Dismember

>Lands
2 Pendelhaven
2 Breeding Pool
1 Temple Garden
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Forest
4 Foothills
4 Heath
4 Nexus

>Sideboard
2 Stony Silence
2 Image
2 Relic
2 Spell Pierce
2 Dispel
2 Skite
3 Claim


I also have some might of old krosas, 2 more visons, another blessing, distortion strike, 1 more defiance, 2 more growth, and 3 monastery sieges to fiddle around with in the deck

>>44676035

That foil price is mostly due to it actually being played in Vintage. It's always there as a 1 or 2 of.

>>44676027
It was abzan.
Loosing like the spirit-loving heretic faggots they are.

>>44675571

its $30

and yeah foils are $100

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>>44675638
>I'm getting tired of losing matches because of a single artifact hate sideboard card.

>>44676206
What are you even trying to say?
How does this deal with Stony Silence in any way?

>>44675757

spell snare the summer bloom, or nature's claim the amulet of vigor in the upkeep

>>44676228
I'm trying to say that I didn't bother to read the thread, and that most cards that boardwipe artifacts are sorceries.

>>44676296
Spell Pierce pretty much does the same job. Wail is too narrow for Affinity.

>>44675903
No, Tron loses to Tron

What deck was Josh Cho using?

>>44675969

Don't be afraid of Whipflare too much, most lists usually only run 2. I actually have Bow of Nylea in my sideboard as well because nobody boards in enchantment/artifact hate against Elves. Sometimes I hold onto Beast Within, play Dismember or wait to Chord up Kataki once they've tapped out for everything so they can't react with a Galvanic Blast on it. It's not easy but you've got good plans against them after sideboarding. I actually run a singleton copy(it's either a singleton copy or 2, can't remember right now) of Stirring Wildwood to block most Inkmoth Nexus attacks and to tap for G/W. I have considered running Dwynen Gilt Leaf Daen just because she's an Elf lord, survives Anger/Pyro and has reach but the 4cmc doesn't allow her to be CoCo'd at all.

>>44676349

FUCK

>>44676330
It really does. There are few counters to stony silence.

>>44676423

In my opinion Dwynen isn't really cut out for the deck. For one she costs 4 so CoCo can't hit her, not to mention the stock elves list is tight barring Visionary vs Elite numbers and silver bullets.

As for Bow of Nylea, Interesting as fuck tech, will probably try too

>>44676529

Bow of Nylea hits the Inkmoth and is great against Burn. Also any games that go long and you start dropping +1/+1 counters, gaining 3 life or just restocking your library again. Also all your attacking dudes have deathtouch so what do you care if your Elvish Mystic trades with a bigger threat?

>>44676663

How many Bows do you have in the SB?

This is my current setup

2x Kitchen Finks
2x Dismember
2x Beast Within
2x Burrenton Forge Tender
2x Reclamation Sage
1x Spellskite
1x Kataki, War's Wage
1x Fracturing Gust
1x Chameleon Colossus
1x Phyrexian Revoker

>>44676851

Just a singleton.

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So what do you guys think of Modern Death and Taxes? Like Eldrazi, it's putting up consistent results on MTGO and several lists have shifted to splashing black for discard and Dark Confidant. Anyone playing that deck?

Newfag here. Where are you guys watching the games at?

>>44677111

Its still highly meta dependent. However, the GW Hatebears variant has more game 2bh

>>44677169
Twitch

>>44677111
I think it's pretty good. The deck shits all over Tron like it's its job. It also has a few decent matchups. Leonin Arbiter is really a star in this deck

>>44677111
What are its matchups against tron?

>>44677111
I think that I really like the feeling of CoCoing or Chording for Orzhov Pontiff against it.

Last I heard niggas was having sex with the same sex
I show no love to homo thugs

I want to make EDH combos a thing in Modern because I'm a flamboyant faggot and have already had success with Sharuum Steel in Legacy.

What would be the best build for shit like Mike & Trike or Boonweaver+Blasting Station?

>>44677767
Just do Twin like every other flaming Izzet faggot.

>>44677715
Go home you are drunk.

>>44677879
I'm the respectable kind of faggot, not the kind that goes around spreading aids like twin players.

>>44677715
Do you break bread with the enemy?

>>44677715
What does DMX play? Burn? Zoo?

>>44675669
I had no problem trading away my wasteland stranglers and oblivion sowers a couple weeks ago. The deck has an absolutely unwinnable matchup against burn. I had some retard at FNM say something like, "How is a turn 3 5/8 not great?" as if burn, twin, or affinity cares about a 5/8 on the turn before they kill you. I can't wait for this stupid meme deck to die off so Eye of Ugin can return to the price it should be at, not 30 bucks a pop.

>>44678156
Werewolf tribal and he growls every time they flip

>>44672442
I think Esper is better nowadays.

>>44678273
>so Eye of Ugin can return to the price it should be at, not 30 bucks a pop.
Lol, shit never goes back down once it's spiked.

Fist of Suns is still $4 when it's evident to everyone it wasn't worth even the $0.25 it was worth before it got scalped.

>>44675683
Dredge round 2, electric boogaloo

>>44678273
>How is a turn 3 5/8 not great?
THANKS FOR THE SEARING BLAZE TARGET

>>44678478
I'm not saying it won't be higher, but there are literally packs of MM2 still on shelves everywhere. The card is probably closer to 8 and I fully expect it to return to that after a month or so.

>>44678505
Pretty much. There's a couple cute things you can do like vampiric link an eidolon or process a rift bolt, but the only way that works is if they don't know the deck they're playing against.

>>44672895
Because it's easy to get stupid broken instant win hands with Urabrask and some stupid fatty. Living End can't really put together as degenerate a combo.

>>44677240
Very good. It has anti deck searching shit to fuckup scrying and expedition map and Talia even stops the natural turn 3 no search Karn before they start ghost quartering their shit.

Heck half the deck's appeal is it's good against Tron.

>>44677111
i'm surprised the jews haven't caught on yet. arbiter is literally a 4-of in all lists. any reasons it's still so cheap?

im new to magic, me and a buddy have been thinking of going in on a booster for the fun of it, i like ramp decks for green, any particular set that has good cards for this?

>>44678911
Trying to incite a buyout I see

>>44674475
it was Todd Anderson, not Taylor.

>>44678931
1. Read OP
2. Learn formats
3. Get good
4. Don't buy wizards products

>>44678962
>inciting a buyout on /tg/
Ok

No really this place is shit at mtgfinance usually. Remember Phyrexian Crusader?

>>44677111
I played the deck back when pod was a thing. I got run over by goyfs more often than not, and your mana denial ain't that good.

>>44673608
I suppose void snare would be easier to pull off since my only nonartifact white source is cloudcrest lake, so either way I'm cutting myself one mana to go off on
Fucking $2-4 adarkar wastes, allied pain land reprint when

>>44678931
cracking boxes is a waste of money. buy booster boxes to draft with friends, not to chase cards. if you like ramp decks check out the deck called valakut, or maybe tooth and nail.

>>44679048
im mostly doing it for the experience of opening packs with a friend while growing my nonexistent collection, figured since im probably going to do it anyway i might as well ask about a set that could have some cool ramp type cards

>>44679013

Phyrexian Crusader was shit from the start. Its a 3cmc pro red and white 2/2 black Zombie Knight that died to black removal or got countered by delver players.

>>44672555
I agree, cycling lands would be amazing.

-RUG Loam memester

>>44679091

they guy from >>44679048 is right. Dont make the same mistake ppl do when getting into the game.

Buy packs and draft them. You will learn to play the limited format and at the same time, start your collection. Sometimes you will get shitty rares that you will regret having in your shoebox.

>>44679091
I'm just speaking from personal experience because I regret blowing a few hundred on boxes/boosters when I got into the game. Return to ravnica is recent enough that a box shouldn't be crazy expensive and has some good stuff you might like.

>>44679309
>Oh boy a foil Deathrite Shaman, this seems like it'd be great in modern!

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Any suggestions? (Aside from running a less shit archetype)

>>44679381
I'd still be hyped for a foil DRS, it's like $50. shit sees legacy play.

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>>44679622
>No Professor Sycamore
Shit deck

>>44679757 You're right, but for the wrong reasons.

Why are you not playing pauper? My LGS had an experimental pauper tournament and about 10 people showed up. 3 delver decks sure, but it was pretty diverse. I played kilnfiend.dec.

>>44679843
>Not playing combo elves

Why do people always draft BFZ online when you have access to every set?

>>44679381
My friend sold one of those like last week

To some GARBAGE ass website that ripped him off, I kept trying to tell him to sell on eBay

>>44679930
Did that really require a new line?

>>44679950
Does it really matter in the long run

I format how I want

>>44679968
Wow
Dude aren't you Like

So

cool man, like what
a unique thing to do,

ON the internet, no
less
You Are A
Faggot

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>>44680162
>getting this mad over post formatting

Consider suicide

>>44680194
>that thumbnail
MAKE SHITPOSTING GREAT AGAIN

Just found my foil onslaught bloodstained mire. How many onslaught flooded strands can I hock it for?

>>44672770
Fellow Loamplayer learning his way through the deck. Im honestly more afraid of md Relics due to the meme decks of today.

>>44680559
3-ish, depending on its condition
If you don't care about the set, it's worth like 6 Khans ones

>>44674609
Tron is way more resilient to discard than people think, if it wasn't then its Jund/Abzan matchup wouldn't be so famously good.

>>44680661
Thanks, I'm aiming for 3. I don't really like the new fetchlands and already have 1 strand. Does 2 stoneforge for 2 onslaught delta's seem fair?

>>44680714
yeah

>>44680714
>I don't really like the new fetchlands
Meh, the only one I like more is the Onslaught Heaths

Whats the over/under on getting enemy fetches reprinted next set? The battlelands seem like they were designed to be played with fetches, and switching from ally fetches to enemy fetches would change the way manabases look

>>44680867
Frankly its almost the border that turns me off more than anything. The art on the khans fetches is not my style either

>>44680912
I wouldn't count on it. I think R&D wanted to test these lands without the fetchlands to discourage 4C+ aberrations from current Standard.

But if Wizards REALLY wants the first spring block to sell, they WILL add something juicy. Personally hoping for Liliana of the Veil (which was meant to be included in M15 but was axed last minute).

>>44680985
The new flooded strand does look pretty cool

>>44680912
Might be 2 years, that's what some are saying

>>44681055
Is it crazy to run onslaught deltas next to khans strands

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>>44680993
>wotc needs something to sell SOI
>notices the spoiled demon with 'goyf'esque wording
>why not reprint 'goyf in SOI

Goyf is so underwhelming for his monetary value.
Oh boy an efficient beater that usually sits at 4/5 or 5/6

I find Snap to be more of a threat

>>44681280
LotV and Snap would move boxes by themselves

http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=10881&d=262088&f=MO

Does this look like a solid list? Thinking of putting it together as I have everything that costs any money.

>>44681310
A 4/5 on turn 2 that can go in any deck is way better than Snap

>>44681341
He isn't always that big

>>44681311
That's true. Goyf does sort of fit the graveyard theme, so it wouldn't be too out of character

>>44681360
Land, Instant, Sorcery, Creature.
He's always AT LEAST that big

>>44681360
You are technically correct

>>44681280
I'd much rather get fetches and Lili than 'goyf. The only thing stopping me from playing Deadguy Ale is no Lili.

People downplaying goyf have obviously never played in an actual tournament or played with one yourself. It's just efficient and provides a clock. U aren't exactly investing a lot of mana into it.

>>44681317
Some people prefer Desperate Ravings to Faithless Looting, but other than that every UR Storm list is exactly the same.

>>44681461

Tarmo need an answer most of the time it hit the battlefield. It preasures your opponent so much and if he eats the removal, you can land another goyf and keep the presure on them.

>>44672238
I just bought 3 italian scapeshifts for 80 bucks. Did I get ripped off?

>>44681691

Yes, you fuck it up.

>>44681691
Quite the opposite, it usually goes for 33 a piece so you saved like 20$

>>44681691
>Buying cards when you can just steal them
lol

>>44681377

>Tarmogoyf in Standard
>Card that Wizards developed an entire premium set to reprint while keeping it out of Standard

>>44677111
Any decklists?

>>44681959
google craig wescoe's

>>44681775
Once saw a thief get busted during a GP. Shit was so funny.

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>>44681959
>>44682035
Wescoe wasn't playing "true" DnT (no flickerwisp, smiter and leige in the main) and his list would be expensive to buy because of the 4 Horizon Canopies. I would look at the mono white list that Top 8ed GP Copenhagen a while back.

My list is based on it:
Death and Taxes (Modern):
Creatures: 29
3 Dryad Militant
2 Kytheon, Hero of Akros
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Serra Avenger
1 Spellskite
1 Anafenza, Kin Tree Spirit
4 Flickerwisp
4 Blade Splicer
2 Aven Mindcensor
1 Mirran Crusader

Other Spells: 8
4 Aether Vial
4 Path to Exile

Lands: 23
4 Ghost Quarter
2 Tectonic Edge
1 Mutavault
16 Plains

Sideboard: 15
3 Burrenton Forge Tender
2 Sunlance
2 Rest in Peace
2 Kataki, War's Wage
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Mirran Crusader
1 Mark of Asylum
1 Spellskite
1 Disenchant

DnT has (roughly) good MUs against unfair decks (tron, infect, bloom), even against multi color fair decks (jund, grixis) and bad against mono color fair decks (merfolk, elves).

Does B/W Tokens run any Blade Splicers?

>>44681384
Not with fetch lands rotating with SoI

Eldrazi is a cool deck, I don't get all the hating goobers

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>>44682605
>modern
>rotating

>>44682716
It's a tier 3 deck that new players are creaming themselves over and causing the prices to skyrocket.
IoK should not be almost $30.

>>44682758
Right, for Modern it's called banlist update.

>>44682758 Is that Betty?

>>44682961
Do you really think fetchlands are ever going to get banned?

>>44682949
>he didn't watch the open
It's only going to get better with oath too

Opinions on onslaught vs ktk fetchland art? Which looks better? I'm having a tough time deciding which version to get

>>44682523
nope, although there's a w/r kiki/resto angel deck that uses them for flicker shenanigans

>>44683199
Personally I think it goes like this
Flooded Strand - Onslaught is better, pick up the Judge foil for Modern frame and shiny card
Polluted Delta - KtK looks just a bit better
Bloodstained Mire - Both are solid but Onslaught slightly edges it out for me
Wooded Foothills- Once again both are amazing, I like Onslaught a bit more but KtK is really good here. I own the KtK ones just because the border and the Judge foil is too expensive ;_;.
Windswept Heath - Judge foil is amazing here. If not getting the Judge just go for Khans because they are cheap and pretty good looking.

>>44683199
new art I generally like better but I'm a sucker for old frames

>>44683199
Onslaught is always better. Old frame and you don't have dragonbones ruining every single landscape.

>>44683298
>>44683325
>>44683403
I love the old frames, but the onslaught Flooded strand is so bleak. I like that, but I also kind of like how the ktk one is colorful. I think the original polluted delta has sick art that's bleak as fuck, while the new one has the "fuckin evil tentacles or w/e" vibe going on and I just can't deal.

>>44683298
The original windswept heath is a thing of beauty

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/137001553223/when-the-core-sets-were-removed-you-said-reprints#notes

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>>44675529
>If tokens keeps wining tomorrow Auriok Champion will be $50 by the end of the day.

> mfw some asshole bought out all copies below 99$

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Fifth+Dawn/Auriok+Champion#paper

>>44683199

Strand- Khans
Mire- Khans
Heath- Khans
Delta- Onslaught
Foothills- Onslaught

Judge foils are the best

>>44683007
God, I hope so.

I actually have heard a semi-convincing argument that fetches should be banned for the same reason as Sensei's Top, which is that they make matches drag on excessively (due to the constant shuffling).

Well anon, you called it. Auriok Champions are now $100.

>>44683826
No they don't you retard. Back to playing clash packs for you. I've played in too many modern tournaments to count and no game has ever even went close to time due to a few shuffles.

>>44672465
>the deck most vulnerable to twin comboing off, land destruction and fast aggro
>playing on autopilot
Yeah naw, try Affinity/Burn/Infect/Jund

>>44683817
So can we all agree that the expedition fetches look stupid?

>>44673240
theyre too busy competing in real matches

>>44683943
Most of the expeditions look bad. The only good ones are Stomping Ground, Misty Rainforest and Marsh Flats.

>>44683943
>so can we all
Get that reddit/tumblr shit out of here.

Strand ain't bad since it reminds me of Fountain of Dreams. Steam Vents, Marsh Flats and Misty Rainforest are okay too. But the rest are godawful. The expeditions fucking suck, and if you pull one, it's wasted money. No one wants that shit, not even spergy collectors, they're going after judge foils.

>>44683802
How do they determine the prices? That looks too ridiculous to be true.

>>44684113

Usually when a large buyout happens the prices spike.

>>44684096
I do like the misty, just not as much as the original. If only marsh flats was a playable card...

>>44683802

haha holy shit this is hilarious. watching the modern market blow the fuck up is the best thing that's happened to the format in a long time

>>44684113
TCGplayer Mid price, IIRC

>>44684113

Speculators/shops predict a budget card is going to be popular, so they buy out the lower costed cards. In the case, every Auriok below $100. They get a same-day shipping, and hope the market memory sticks. Then they push out the card for the price slightly below that high price. Since it looks like "oh shit a lot of people are buying this card, PANIC", people will swarm the higher price object.

A lot of buyouts are predictive based on the banlist. Some buy faggots speculated that Soul Sistas would be meta, or more likely, speculating that people are going for cheap alternatives to break into modern. In which case, using Auriok Champion as a monetary chokepoint on budget deck.

Thrun buyout, I know you speculators post on here. Make that shit $50, I fucking dare you.

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>>44684223
Do they go by foil prices? That would seem misleading.

>>44681461
>>44681568
infinate obliteration is in standard if goyf reprints. Standard is ready for tarmogoyf and snapcaster.

>>44684293

No there's a separate tracker for foils and non-foils

>>44679047
Void snare is decent and versatile, I run it instead of Echoing Truth for the same reasons.

Cloudcrest lake is weirdly enough doable, and for the loop it's probably even preferable over Adarkar Wastes. My list runs 4 basic Islands and 1 basic Plains though, coupled with two fetches and filled up with Ghost Quarters and Darksteel Citadels.

>>44684322
>Running bad cards to deal with a vanilla beater
It's called using removal.
Goyf doesn't need another reprint so soon either.
Also snapcaster is far too powerful for current standard.

>>44684483
He might be, but consider that snapcasters power is tied to the power of the format he's in. There's no bolt snap bolt in standard.

>>44684483
all the black kills are sorcery in standard that could deal with a goyf after oath and this one deals with all the goyfs for 3 mana.

>>44684214
Maybe Wizards will decide a $25 uncommon is un-fucking acceptable and start doing some meaningful reprints. And maybe Scarlett Johansson will break down my door dressed as Black Widow and blow me, the two events are about equally likely.

>>44684534
It's straight card disadvantage to remove a vanilla beater that hasn't been cast yet.
Cards such as this are only ever used to remove combo pieces etc.
>>44684518
While true he still enables you to use the best avaliable twice. He was too powerful in his first time and standard and would still be too powerful now.

>>44684518

I want you to watch someone win a counter war by Snapping a Dispel that just got countered and tell me that Snappy would be fine in standard. L2Stack

>>44684568
He was powerful the last time because he could flashback Ponder. Had Ponder not existed in Standard at the time or been banned he would have not been nearly as good.

>>44684568
No doubt he would be powerful, but if they move the removal towards 2-3 mana its quite possible for snapcaster to be reasonable. There's no reason why they can't print powerful cards in standard

>>44684588
Not sure what your point is. Snapcaster can act as a counterspell, is that really a problem

>putting together a list for a Fold Into Aether deck
>Was going to use a slightly modified Twin list
>Realized that even though it's like Twin the only colour I absolutely have to play is Blue
What's a good two or possibly three colour deck that contains blue that can hold onto the game up until turn 4/5?

>>44684709

Twin

>>44684714
I was asking if there are other colours than a UR deck that can do the same thing, I already know I can tear the combo out of a Twin list for what I want.

>>44684724
white is probably the best splash

>>44684748
What would I get from white? I don't really have thorough knowledge of modern as a format cards-wise.
I know to jam in 4 paths though.

>>44684813
most of the best sideboard cards are white

>>44684638

>Snapcaster is a 2 drop that can singlehandedly generate card advantage using your graveyard, at instant speed.
>Not a problem.

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How shit is this and why should I just go netdeck Tron? I'm not even sure about splashing black but I feel like I need the discard because I'm light on actual creature removal spells.

>>44682431
Wouldn't say the matchup against infect is that good.

>>44684518

>There's no bolt snap bolt in standard.

True but there would be kolaghans command bringing back snap or just a regular snap kolaghans command

>>44685053

How do you plan on casting Emrakul? Like wtf is this you would need every single land in your deck to hardcast her, and there are easier ways to cheat her than Folding yourself. You're probably better of using Goryo.

>>44685216
>How do you plan on casting Emrakul?
Fold into Aether one of my 0/1 mana spells
>You're probably better of using Goryo.
Considered it, the problem with Goryo is that it requires specific setup, I have to have a way to get Emmy INTO my graveyard while having the 1B up for Goryo and maybe more for protection for it. Fold just needs any number of 1 drop spells along with the Fold and an Emmy for a turn 5 Emmy or Probe/Explosives for a turn 4 Emmy
Fold doesn't make me sacrifice whatever I play with it at end of turn, can't be hit by Inquisition or Spell snare, is much more versatile in both the window I have to use it and being a possibly usable spell outside of just cheating in a big dude. Also doesn't care about graveyard hate.
This isn't meant to be a Goryo deck, but I can see why you mention it. This is only a basic make of the deck, I'm sure I'll be able to find the right cards to make it purely UW for a less painful land base.


If you really like Goryo though I'm sure some sort of UB/Grixis deck could put in 2 Emmy 4 Goryo and run perfectly fine, Annihilator 6 potentially on turn 3 would be a game winner against most decks.

>>44682431
And Twin?

>>44685216
To expand on that a bit for clarification, Goryo is a 3 card combo (Discard, Goryo, Emmy) of which only one of those cards may be useful outside of the combo.
Fold is a 3 card combo as well (Spell, Fold, Emmy), but is a lot more flexible in that the third card you use can be one of any number of cheap spells, and against certain deck Fold can actually be used as a counter if needed (Twin, Living End, any number of creature-less combo decks, Tron in desperation ect) with only Emmy being a dead draw.
This is compared to the two card combo of Twin + Pestermite/Exarch, which is more reliable due to being able to play essentially at max 8 of the second part of the combo and the combo. The advantage Fold has over Twin is that Twin has to protect both it's spells on the stack, the creature on the board and the enchantment itself, while also losing/tripping to some more niche interactions such as Soul Sisters, Worship or any prison style deck.
Similar to Fold combo, Twin only has one 'useless' card, that being Splinter Twin. However it can be thrown onto a Snapcaster or Vendilion Clique if you have an extra copy in hand you don't need for extra value.
Of course, Twin has a large advantage over both in that it outside of these interactions it is an on the spot win.

I think what will end up being the decider between Twin or Fold as a deck is if the few extra cards and possible different colour combo you can fit in the deck is worth a slightly slower, more resilient wincon.

>>44685053
I like the idea although it's a bit slow. You should go red for bolt, so you have both more removal and more instant speed one mana spells; Your gameplan should be to control until you can fold a 1 mana instant and untap with emrakul

Problems I see with the deck is that it's essentially a 3-card combo, is at it's fastest a turn 6 kill, and forces you to play a lot of useless cards (fold and emrakul are dead draws if you don't have both)

>>44685561
Twin plays like a fair deck until its opponent taps out, so I'd say Grixis Twin is about even and UR Twin is unfavorable because it has a more resilient mana base.

>>44683730
>http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/137001553223/when-the-core-sets-were-removed-you-said-reprints#notes
Who do people keep believing on a jew's word? He doesn't only reply to most questions with vague answers, when he answers straight he fucking lies.

>>44685846
I don't think anyone sane "believes" him
It's just that in every community there is that little group of retards that flock to the "official" people because they need validation

>>44685968
>>44685968
>>44685968
New thread

>>44685564
>Of course, Twin has a large advantage over both in that it outside of these interactions it is an on the spot win.

No, Twin has an advantage because it has a wincon that doesn't revolve around putting a flying fatty on the board and praying for no removal.

Your wincon is literally cheat out Emrakul and just hope you win from there. You have literally no other plan if that doesn't work. That isn't a combo, thats just Timmy. At least Goryo can win the turn Emmy goes down.

>>44683895
>Do I have tron?
>No:Get tron
>Yes:Win the game on turn 3
It really is that simple