Jumpchain CYOA Thread #649: My Friends Are My Power Edition

>>44636029
If we buy one of the Ka’Kari, Retribution or Curoch, is that the original version or a copy?
Does the Library of the Dead refill, if so how fast, and does it follow you?

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Jumpers, tell me about the awe-inspiring sights you've come across.

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I'm getting pretty far on the PSG jump. Finished most of the origins perks and am currently working on Angels and Demons. Soon I'll get into equipment and companions. And than I'll be basically done!

>>44639784
Once upon a time I was walking out in the snow when I saw a ring of flames.

Within was the most dazzling sight I had ever witnessed. I actually suffered a -1 to attack rolls and Perception checks just looking at her.

She was an angel, alight in flame and staring at me as if I had emerged from the very depths of Hell.

In that moment, I shrank before her in terror, and she understood. I was no god, like Mulcarn. It would be difficult, but I could be undone.

I was no god, like Mulcarn. It would take time, but I could be reasoned with.

I was no god, like Mulcarn. There would needs be incentive, but I could be made to kneel.

Even as I grew in power, she grew to keep me in check. Perhaps the most awe-inspiring thing about her, however, was this:

In my darkest hour, rather than watch my suffering - she saved me. She who had sought to contain the threat I presented fought in my name.

Sometimes, I still cannot understand why - but since that day I have appreciated her presence greatly.

In the Civilization jump, do i need to take one of the win conditions or i can chose to be stuck in there for the entire duration of the jump (12.300 years)

>>44640010
Once you achieve a win condition, you can leave whenever you wish.

Key word being CAN.

>>44640070
Good, i really needed a place to try out some long term plans that the 10 year usual limit didn't allow to

>>44639789
One of the few times I'd rather be a demon honestly.

>>44640176
I don't blame you at all.

Though personally, as I kind of have angels as a running theme my preference would be to be an angel, but only to show up Panty and Stocking by doing my goddessblessed job properly, making the look like even dumber, incompetant, horrible people by comparison.

>>44640098
I think it's generally advised to hold off on Civ jump for as long as possible. More then a couple powers grow with age/experience.

If I wanted to go to The Arrowverse (The Arrow, The Flash) would just picking it in DC Jump be necessary?

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>>44639784
I've seen my share.
I guess the same stuff as most jumpers.

>>44640219
>generally advised to hold off on Civ jump for as long as possible
Used to be, sure, but these days there are a whole bunch of really long jumps around.

>>44640219
I rolled it so i can't really hold it off, and from memory you can pick DCAU or comics in that jump, an arrow verse or dc cinematic jump would be wonderful. (you can probably pick it in that jump anyway, im sure no one would argue)

>>44640219
DC is pretty much just the Comics and DCAU, anything else is too far out of it's intended scope.

>>44640260
>>44640272
Ah, ok. Looks like it's the waiting game.

10 stands because, I'm waiting for a time when I'm not mentally and emotionally exhausted to go through with Lords of the Iron Line. Which stands are bullshit and which are good?

http://pastebin.com/uC6MPUSp

Jump #03: Black Lagoon
Name: Diamond Paige
Age: 22
Location: Yellow Flag
Origin: Psycho
Gender: Female

-Perks-
World of Badass (-50CP)
Unassuming (-50CP)
Implacable (-150CP)
Counting Time (-100CP)
Existence Is Not Living (-600CP

-Items-
Kevlar Lined Prop (-50CP)

Wee! I'm a dangerous criminal! I spent most of my time building up my criminal organization and fucking with Hotel Moscow. The rest of my time was spent keeping m head down after the resulting devastation.

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So here's my stand, I didn't make it. JoJoAnon did before she left. It was called Steel Universe. However I renamed it Teenage Dream (Album from Katy Perry). Also renamed the abilities after lines from Fireworks by Katy Perry in the Teenage Dream Album.

Teenage Dream
Destructive Power: A-Rank
Speed: B-Rank
Range: A-Rank
Durability: D-Rank
Precision: D-Rank
Developmental Potential: 'A'

Ability: Ignite The Light
Teenage Dream can summon and ignite a huge variety of fireworks, including variants that have not been seen in the industry. The Stand-User can control:
-The size of the firework's explosion
-The exact coloration of the resulting flare
-The fuse time (time until it detonates)
- General size and shape.

Steel Universe Requiem
Ability: Hurricane Comes A Rainbow
The Stand-User could control Teenage Dream's fireworks before. But now they can add a whole new twist to each explosion. The Stand-User can add a variety of effects to each firework before they detonate. The effects will start off small, but that's why we have Developmental Potential Rank A - ALWAYS.

Did you want the giant dragon flare that Gandalf had stashed? You can create it. Do you want a massive firework that you can surf on across an ocean? Sure. Fireworks whose explosions mend wounds instead of scorching? Why not.Fireworks that explode and create a blast of ice? Can do.General Magical Firework Shenanigans? WHY. THE HELL. NOT.

Awakened Steel Universe
Ability: House Of Cards
The Stand-User can now transform anything within line-of-sight into a firework.

>>44639743
Seems I need to add more notes, but yes, all the items are copies, and yes, the library follows you as part of your warehouse, it refills once per jump.

>>44639789
>PSG
What is this?

>>44640970
Panty, stocking and garterbelt.

>>44639789
>PSG
That is one of the lewdest nonporn cartoons I have ever watched.

>>44641278
Welp, I'm sold.

Jumpers do you have a waifu or companion from the Naruto jump?

>>44640800
I keep meaning to ask.

The heck is an Awakened Stand? I only know of the requiems and you need an arrow for that.

>>44641409
I took MC-KUN/CHAN, so I've got Naruto and Sasuke as companions. Or rather, Naruto and Satsuki. I used the 0CP version of the fanfic drawback to choose a world where Sasuke was female, to keep to the "teams are two boys and one girl" rule now that I was replacing Sakura. Also I kind of wanted to hook the two of them up, both because the pairing is obvious and because I wanted to mess with Hagoromo when it came time for him to hand out the final boss powerups. "Asura, Indra, I know I wanted you two to get along but I didn't mean like this".

>>44641442
Awakened Stands are meant to be like what happened to Kira when he got nicked by the Arrow and got Killer Queen: Bites The Dust. It still requires the Arrow, it's just piercing yourself instead of the Stand.

>>44641481
I'd accuse you of breaking Hinata's heart, but then again Hinata's a satelite character utterly defined by wanting Naruto so-eh, more power to you I guess.

>>44639784
I managed to get Rias Gremory naked in a pool. It was plenty awe inspiring to me.

>>44641558
She is also the hotmom who is amazing and has a great personality and all. You should be ashamed of yourself.


Just posting my favorite imgur
http://m.imgur.com/a/XKwJ4

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>>44641573
And?

>>44641602
It was for the best. There was pretty much zero chance that Naruto wasn't going to follow me on my multiversal journey. So I might as well pair him with another companion, that way they won't be separated.

>>44641573
She's an exhibitionist, that isn't difficult to do.

>>44641573
as it is any difficult or rare ... in both the anime and manga she is naked all the time

>>44641442
Requiem is arrow piercing (and being logged into) your stand. It changes it into something else entirely. However if you're hit with the arrow again, your stand awakens. It gives you another ability to use.

Like >>44641491 said, the example is Killer Queen. When Kira was hit by the arrow, it allowed Killer Queen to awaken, which granted him a temporal bomb "Another One Bites The Dust", which when certain conditions are met the bomb seeks out the person who sets off the conditions. Blows them up, and resets time by a certain amount, and which case Kira then knows who triggered the bomb.

>>44641698
>>44641706


What do Jumpers think of Ise? Friend, foe, or walking target?

Not sure if I should instagib him.

>>44641725
Personally friend, he can be fixed and he's not an asshole.

Foe if you want any canon girls.
Walking target if you're a magpie.

>>44641725
He's just a dumb kid, no reason to really hate him. I did my best to whip him into shape, make him into a proper gentleman so that he'd be less annoying to deal with. I did punch him a few times, though, when I felt that he needed some operant conditioning. By the end of it, though, he was a much more pleasant person, he and Ddraig were working together properly, and his relationship with the girls was puerile power fantasy and more genuine relationship.

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>>44641409
HAH! ... I don't really do "waifus". But about a month ago I realized that I got free reign to create brand new companions in Naruto, and then this happened!

> Name: Sada [+600CP]
> Background: Civilian [Get a Freebie!]
> Basic Ninja Training [Get a Freebie!]
> Chakra Enhancement Specialization
> + Strength [-100CP]
> + Speed [-100CP]
> Fine Control [Get a Freebie!]
> You Have Reserves [-100CP]
> Elemental Chakra Affinity (Fire) [Get a Freebie!]
> Talk no Jutsu [-200CP]
> Pseudo-Jinchuriki [-200CP]
> Genius of Hard Work [-600CP]
> Inuzuka [-300CP]
> Basic Gear [Get a Freebie!]
> Dosh [Get a Freebie!]
> Nin-animal (Wolf) [Get a Freebie!]
> Out Of Control [+200CP]
> Dysfunction Junction [+200CP]
> Boiling Blood [+200CP]
> THE CHOSEN ONE [+300CP]


> Name: Ayaka [+600CP]
> Background: Clan-Born [Get a Freebie!]
> Basic Ninja Training [Get a Freebie!]
> Elemental Chakra Affinity (Water) [Get a Freebie!]
> Fine Control [-100CP]
> You Have Reserves [Get a Freebie!]
> Sensor Ninja Training [-300CP]
> Medical Ninjutsu Training [-300CP]
> Cursed Seal of Heaven [-200CP]
> Lost Hyuga [-300CP]
> Kaguya [-300CP]
> Basic Gear [Get a Freebie!]
> Hunted (All sans Konohagakure & Amegakure) [+300CP]
> Angst [+100CP]
> Dysfunction Junction [+200CP]
> Blood-Lust [+300CP]

>>44641776
Pretty much everyone in DxD is a walking target if you're a magpie. There are so many good magic items to steal.

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>>44641816
So, the three of us, Sada, Ayaka, and me, are all part of Amegakure, the village hidden in the rain. Which, if you don't know, is basically an industrialized dystopic hellhole.

Sada's a member of a disgraced sect of the Inuzuka clan, which sought to emulate and obtain the power of the tailed beasts. And yet, despite this... Sada's... well.
In addition to being a member of an offshoot of the Inuzuka clan, which is already pretty hotblooded, he also has the drawbacks Boiling Blood and THE CHOSEN ONE. Sada's just the best. He wants everyone to have a happy ending and is doing his darndest to save the Hidden Rain.
Sada's name means "Pure One" or "Good Fortune", depending on the language.
He's going to get his ass kicked.
Or he would, except... he's so idealistic, I can't help but want to protect him.
So I will.

Ayaka's the total opposite. A horrible bloodline cross between the Hyuga and Kaguya clans, she brings misfortune and death everywhere she goes, and is wanted dead and/or dissected by just about everyone. She's a crazy bloodknight who believes the world is KILL OR BE KILLED.
She takes positively sickening amounts of punishment and utilizes pressure points by slamming bone spikes into them. Yet still has a habit of overestimating herself. White hair, white eyes. She crazy.
Her name means "Colourful Flower" in Japanese.
Should I fix her...?

I'm not in Sasuka and Naruto's village.
So I made my own.

>>44641828
>Konata's plan
You evil monster.

>>44641602
That's an impressive amount of asspain over a Chinese cartoon.

>>44641725
pretty much the same as him >>44641776
I wasn't interested in any of the canon girls nor i needed any of the sacred gears when i hit DxD

How bad of an idea is it to go to darksiders and become the rider of friendship?

>>44640598
Firstly I feel the need to point out that Awakening/Requiem are mutually exclusive and permanent.
Okay, let's see:
>Jet Boy Jet Girl
Decent if a bit specific. Also is the last sentence on their base ability intended to be that they can make portals or move existing ones?
>Stereo Hearts
Basic ability is good, Awakened is a bit much in my view, Requiem has a major issue in that the Stand's range is measured from the user so the current version ends with the user as the center of a ball of tar.
>Bag of Hammers
Seems a bit overly limited in default state, probably drop the weight limit for a size limit and maybe include what's currently the Awakened ability as part of the normal Stand.
>Coffin Dance
Just plain doesn't feel like a Stand. Too many abilities with no thematic link. Requiem is plain ridiculously broken.
>Violet Stars Happy Hunting
A good Stand, though the specification about any energy it can absorb for the Awakened form is a bit odd since it can only do the two unless it goes for the other path. Requiem might be a bit strong but nothing too bad.
>Imaginary Places
Seems a bit too strong if only limit on what it can possess is other Stand Users. Also once more Awakening and Requiem are mutually exclusive, so the bit in the Requiem power about if also Awakened doesn't work.
>Time of the Season
A bit mundane, Awakened probably doesn't need the limits on what it can convey. Requiem is decent although the laser eyes are a bit much.
>Care of Cell 44
Range is an issue here, Stands generally cannot manifest effects too far outside their range so it wouldn't work too well here. Works decently otherwise so long as only the Stand can wring out the cloths and it has a limited amount of them.
>Benchwood Park
I'm honestly unsure how this is supposed to work.
>Walking in the Sun
How does manifestation of this work? The Requiem seems a bit odd, especially if the companion who's the original user can create a new one without reclaiming it after death.

>>44642064
Explain.

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>>44642064
Uh...

...actually? Not that damn bad an idea at all! Of the Darksiders games, War & Death tank the brunt of the plot anyway.

It would, however, be goddamn /hilarious/ in context. You must understand-the Riders used to be Nephilim, a species of angel-demon hybrids that conquered worlds until they rebelled, signed on as the Charred Council's enforcers and used the powers they were endowed with to slaughter their entire species.

So if you're the Rider of Friendship. You'd be known and feared throughout the realms for somehow assisting in the genocide of your own species...using the power of Friendship alongside things like Strife and Fury.

>>44641717
Worth noting that both aren't something easily done. Bites the Dust was initiated by the Arrow, and Requiem we have the counterexample of Black Sabbath repeatedly stabbing Gold Experience with an Arrow showing that there's probably something more to Requiem than just hitting your Stand with the Arrow as well.

>>44642108
>>44642122
I befriended them to death I guess? Friends commit suicide for friends I guess. I need to figure out how it would work.

>>44642202
I'm just imagining you as a metal version of a Care Bear, and I can't stop laughing.

>>44642202
>befriended them to death
You're like the Anti-Nanoha. It's glorious.

>>44642089
They're mutually exclusive? Then why didn't anyone say something when heaps of people came up with both of them?

>>44642229
Nono, see-some folks just find it fun to think of what it would be like if their Stand changed one way or the other

>>44642202
>Walk up to BBEG
>Hand him a gun
>"Hey I need you to do a favor... I'm your friend right?"
My sides hurt

>>44639784
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.

I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

>>44642289
>>44640234
>pic related

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>>44642309
muh nigga
you beat me too it

>>44642279
Really? Good for them. I made my stand in thread, came up with both, and no one bothered to mention I only get one. I know which one I would keep, and am fine with that, it's just a bit annoying.

>>44639784
The entire Forbidden Continent. Seriously, take both size-increasing drawbacks in Shadow of the Colossus when you go there. It's still one of the most awe-inspiring experiences for my Adventurer build.

>>44642285
>>44642225
>>44642213
Im not even sure how it would work but I am really early into this chain so I was thinking of stacking friendship and illusions and charisma as high as I can.

Hence the rider of friendship idea. I will befriend the universe. By force if necessary.

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I'm wondering, jumpers, how do you guys do infrastructure? Do you have drones handle it? Do it yourself? Slaves?

I figure the best way would be to have a drone or two in your warehouse, have them replicate themselves in whatever jump you're in, then start dividing labor.

Best place to pick up elemental powers? What can I do to overpower an avatar state avatar at their own game?

>>44642522
Well mushoku tensei has some kickass elemental magic, pokemon have resistances, avatar, final fantasy in general.

>>44642522
On a related note, if you took Dark Binding and gobbled up an avatar's soul/Raava, would you become the avatar?

>>44642395
Drones, Nanoswarms, Automated facilities... all stored in the warehouse while I'm not using them. Space-expanders are so nice.
ACUs from SupCom are especially nice for setting up infrastructure.

Also, Shadow Clones of myself to produce stuff personally. Some stuff just needs that personal touch, right?

>>44642229
Yeah, it's spelled out some in the Arrow's description. The sample Stands have both to serve as examples and allow some customization.

I personally do neither for my own Stands because Awakening is difficult to initiate and Requiem is a crapshoot in that it gives your Stand sapience. Sufficient willpower perks could probably reduce the risk of rampancy from Requiem but I don't feel like taking my chances.

>>44642556
>Best settings for elemental powers
1.Avatar: TLA
2.Avatar: LOK
3.Bionicle
3.Inukami

>>44642556
No, Dark Binding works on souls and Raava's a spirit that grants the Avatar their powers.

>>44642651
GRE didn't go berserk. Only reason why Chariot Requiem went berserk because it's user died right after being hit by the arrow. Same thing happened before with Notorious B.I.G. It's stand user died, and it became an independent stand.

>>44642395
I got about 200 man sized drones that take care of building the initial infrastructure (to self replicate, resource gathering etc.) in almost every jump, they all run instances of the same semi-sapient AI and are coordinated by the main AI (the model is based on the E.V.E from anno 2070, but it's a bit improved)
>>44642574
>Nanoswarms
Where can i get me some knowledge to replicate those, i kind of need something like this

>>44636029
So... I'll just post my preliminary build now?

Age: 20
Origin: Mage [50]
Loaction: Cenaria City
perks:
Talented, with upgrade [50] MAGIC!
Shrewd Politician [50] Lying! With MAGIC!
Wielder of Curoch [300] Okay. Pick up shiny sword?
Master of Assassination [100] Stabbity-stab. Also stealth MAGIC!
Ka’Karifer [600] Gotta go get a thing.
items:
Starting money [Free]
Sethi wine [50]
Mage Robes [Free]
Library [50] Need this, since I apparently can't buy magical training aside from stealth-based stuff?
Curoch [300] Shiny. Wonder if I can fuse this with my staff if I shift it into the form of a staff...
companions:
Orphan [50] -Oh, hey I have kleptomaniac kid. Sure.
drawbacks:
Damned [+600] So. Uh. Imma have to murder-stab a bitch? Can do. Possession's so hard to do when the mind is rend assunder, and the soul torn is flayed, and the body's stabbed with my shiny new sword.
I hate gods of evil. Or people pretending to be gods of evil.
So anyway, after apparently getting a nice, free White Ka'Kari... Guess it's time to clean house? Get rid of this 'God-King' and... basically all of Khalidor? Then go from there and uproot all the corruption and what not. Try and set this place up to be a *nice* place to live. Even if I have to burn everything down in a one-man crusade first.
...Propably gonna steal Retribution at some point through. Or well, 'borrow' without asking, copy it, then put it back. Gotta complete the set, after all.
I have no idea what I'm doing. Just gonna assume I'm in a hellhole and burning stuff/people for most of my time here. When not studying magic.

So, questions: Can I use multiple Ka'Kari? And/or swap them out? If so, I might need to look for the others...

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>>44642924
Why do I always forget picture?

>>44642785
I said risk of rampancy, not guarantee. When we have two examples and one went completely batshit it's worth noting that attempts to reproduce that power up may cause issues too. It probably wasn't just Polnareff's body dying that kicked it off since everyone else could control their Stands perfectly fine when swapped around.

>>44642924
May want to note that your companion is gone for good if you stab them with that shiny new sword.

>>44642122
>we are friends so kill yourself please!

>>44642909
GUNNM has some very good nanos. Iji too.
SimAnt can help you cram more stuff in there, and Worm has Miniaturization & Efficiency as one of it's Tinker powers which helps too.

Anyone know if a Skullduggery Pleasant jump has ever been discussed?

>>44643042
I think it has been mentioned before and noone wanted to try doing it because powerlevels or something.

>>44642973
Well, yeah, so the idea is to just counter-telepath Khali, locate her actual body, and stab it.
If her possesion is a more permanent kind, abandoning her previous body to take my companion's... That's a bit more complicated to do, but actually quicker. Just need to focus a bit more on the telepathy and/or soul-flaying to rip her out, instead of having to locate a body.

...I don't have enough Night Angel knowledge to say for sure, but the wiki I read seems to imply it more of a remote control than a full mindswitch through.

>>44643089
Isn't it a kids' series about a spooky scary skeleton who solves crime? The hell kind of powerlevels are there?

>>44636029
This still needs a lot of work, on the basic jump completion level more drawbacks, complete lines of items for each origin instead of just slap dash with some origins getting artifacts while others get nothing or have to pay through the nose to get relatively mundane things like a forgery kit, and not randomly wanking your special sword to be capable of permakilling companions. Also just generally some more description and setting details are vital.

>>44643276
You don't need to wank to permakill companions. You just do it and then don't let them revive.

>>44643290
...since when do you "let" companions revive? My understanding from the pastebins and such is that it's a thing that automatically happens. Unless you mean calling in another companion to take up their slot before they finish reviving?

>>44643331
It's up to you if you want your companions to come back. This is something that people were fine with back in the early days when companion rules were being lain out.

>>44643290
Yes, but going "This thing can permakill your companions forever even if you don't want it to" is daft. Maybe until end of current jump if you really want to stretch it, but the current version is just trying to make his method of killing stuff special with little reason. There are hundreds of ways to die where resurrection should be impossible in the chain, none of them bypass companion respawn.

>>44643276
>not randomly wanking your special sword to be capable of permakilling companions

This. There are far, far more powerful weapons in jumpchain that don't trigger the companion respawn mechanic. It makes no sense this thing can when the most broken things from Fate or Tenchi can't, in theory. I'm honestly surprised I didn't catch this thing on my first readthroughs.

>>44643347
You'll have to forgive me if I don't quite take your word for it. I've read the FAQ pastebins and I've seen nothing of that sort implied or set out there.

>>44643250
If you learn your True Name you can gain a bunch of power and bullshit hax. Ans there are a few people who can stand up to people who know their Name even without knowing their.

Really though, I don't think it would be too hard. Even if you gave someone the option to learn their true name, just make it appropriately expensive and cap their power growth at a certain point (there is an actual example of a Named character growing in power over several books) until Post-Spark. And the only one who grows to absurd heights quickly is Darquesse and that's because she's the protagonists villain-sue superpowered evil side[/spoilers]. Argeddion took something like a century to grow to a similar level.

>>44643365
The outdated one that even last September people were pointing out no longer reflected our current state, or the unofficial one made by a user for newbies like you?

>>44643353
They can though.

>>44642089
I'm not sure if I forgot that the routes were mutually exclusive or if it was ever mentioned. I'm just going to leave in the path I'll take.
http://pastebin.com/uC6MPUSp

Explanations, I guess:
Jet Boy Jet Girl is specific because I looked at one thing I could do and didn't want happening to me and built around that. It can move existing portals because I can already make some, and I'll probably have at least one more ability to do so before my jumping ends. I'd say it's more like a magnet than a hammer.

>Stereo Hearts
I'm changing the requiem ability to allow the tar to recede or only cover specific areas, and going with that.

>Bag Of Hammers
Doing exactly as you said.

>Coffin Dance
Reduced to a singular effect, rooting those who are stuck on a nail to a location.

>Violet Stars Happy Hunting
Removing Requiem solves stuff for this.

>Imaginary Places
I removed the mental effect entirely. Bodily possession only.

>Time of the Season
Going with Requiem for this and removing the laser eyes. Not sure how to make it less mundane, but Hol Horse had a gun that could control bullets, so I don't feel too bad about that.

>Care of Cell 44
The amount of cloths were limited and only the stand could wring out the cloths. Specifying that. Not sure whether the range is too much or too little. I honestly don't know what to make of most stats, such I winged the lot.

>Beechwood Park
Sound is just a form of kinetic energy transmitted through the air. This stand takes a written word that is supposed to translate into sound, turns it into a field of kinetic energy as if the loudest person possible were shouting them. Books to barriers. This energy is shaped by the stand into a shield, and then I lost it. Requiem is because it's unfair to permanently destroy someone's mind for a shield.

>Walking in the Sun
Forgot to think about the manifestation. Fixing that.

>>44643403
Uh...the one linked in this thread. Damned if I know if it's the new or the old one.

>>44643407
The actual fuck are you talking about? Since when does Fate jump have a "your companions can die forever to Ea, gg no rez" rule? Since when does Asura's Wrath or Wheel of Time have a "Balefire can permakill your companions" rule?

This is bait, right?

>>44643440
When you kill them with the intent of them staying dead. You can do it with a spoon.

Alright, genuinely curious now. Is >>44643465 right and have I missed out something all this time or is he just confusing his fanwank with the rules?

>>44643493
It was discussed way back in the beginning along with what happens if you sacrifice them to something.

>>44643526
>discussed

So...not an actual ruling. Just something a couple people fanwanked.

Glad to clear that up.

>>44643555
Like literally everything anon.

>>44643555
You think we operate on more solid rules than we actually do.

>>44643440
>>44643493
As a person who's been around for a while, this is a thing. It's not a 'you have to have people die' sort of thing (save for those perks or drawbacks which demand you put someone on the chopping block, but those WILL be very clearly marked usually), but we HAVE had people rule for their own personal chains whether a companion permadies or not.

Some people still do it to this day so they have additional risk/complications in their chain. Some people don't, content that their companions are safe or to have an endless supply of resources/disposable troops. Go with what you prefer.

>>44643250
I am relaying what I have heard about it in thread. Perhaps my memory is wrong but noone else was responding to you so I wanted you to at least have one response. Just take it with some salt.

>>44643595
>take it with some salt.

Theres a jump for that.

>>44643401
>>44643595

I see, thanks. That does make sense, like with Gurren Lagann.

>>44643592
>>44643568

Huh. Fair enough.

>>44643570
I guess I'm still getting used to the boundary between opinion and fact being a bit thinner here. Probably comes from too many arguments gone sour on this site

New jumper with a question here: do innate weaknesses go away like drawbacks in future jumps? Like a werewolf's silver weakness or a vampire's sunlight weakness?

>>44643685
Unless specified, yes.

>>44643685
Usually not, unless the jumpmaker says so. Which has happened. So sometimes.

>>44643665
Eh. Essentially. Though it's nowhere near the same scale. No one ever makes universe sized mechas or anything.

>>44643685
At the least ones from Quicksilvers original jumps and any jump that says so in the moving on section. The rest of them are up to you to wank.

Though the upgraded capstones from Gunnerkrigg specifically do not have their downsides go away.

>>44643592
Oh snap, I almost forgot to ask you something! You're the Macross jumpmaker right?

Exactly what are the Protodevlin? Jump says they're some kinda space vampire, but what I read on the wiki makes them sound more like energy beings trapped in a fleshbag, like fabulous C'tan but less about absolute power in the materium and more about binging on life energy.

Are there any unique upsides to posessing Anima Spiritia for a Protodevlin in particular? And-not relevant to the era I rolled, but who would you bet on in a battle between an "unstabilised" Protodevlin who's well-fed and the Vajra hivemind?

>>44643418
On Time of the Season I meant bit mundane about the base form. The Requiem does a decent job of turning it into something more than clarivoyance with a couple side tricks. As for Cell 44's range you'll probably be wanting A if it's intended to distribute the cloths around prefight, maybe have it be an item Stand (great range in exchange for being bound into a physical medium). Beechwood Park is interesting, reminiscent of Echoes but notably different.

>>44643685
Depends.

>>44643685
Are you talking about perks or altforms? Because if it's perks the answer is usually yes, unless otherwise stated by the author. If its altforms it's usually no, but you can just shift to another altform.

>>44643592
Personally I've always treated my companion to permadie if they died in jump and i had no resurrection methods, i'm here since like june and i wasn't even aware respawn was a thing lol. I'll keep them permadying tho, feels cheaty otherwise

>>44643734
Speaking of Gunnerkrigg-while you're in Your Own Little World is it easier to perform normally "impossible" feats? Because there was that recent chapter when the robots and the ship specifically sabotaged Zimmy to exploit her ether-based reality warping to create an environment where the ship could build a body to woo the giant crustacean lady

>>44643734
That's always annoyed me. I want the upgraded shapeshifting perk, but I know I'd get stuck as a flaming dildo or something.

And you basically automatically fuck yourself over by taking the lie one.

Not to mention how utterly useless the Zimmy based one is.

>>44643803
No, King in Your Head is required to try and pull that kind of stuff. Especially since it is a toned down version of zimmy's powers.

Dude, Mark Hamill just kills it in The Flash.

>>44643827
Gunnerkrigg court has some serious power variation, not taking. Those perks puts you out of thr big leagues and even with them a fight against coyote is madness. Coyote has specifically been shown to be both very physically capable and very conceptually capable. Zimmy is pretty much actually a god but with the fact that her fears are real is an issue keeps her in check. Kat has literally done the impossible by reading things that explicitly do not make sense. The protaganist Annie? She makes fire. Not a lot of it either, and she hasn't shown any type of fancy pyrokinesis.

The powers drawbacks are all them going to far and getting out of yout control, and are thus a way of handing you a lot of power but without unbalancing the chain if you can avoid the big leagues in Gunnerkrigg court.

Also, all of them can be mediated by perks from other jumps.

>>44643878
I wish he was still in good enough shape to play the Joker. Imagine the cartoon Joker voice on the big screen.

No, I am not optimistic about Suicide Squad at all

>>44643735
Okay, so there used to be these guys called the Protoculture, your typical precursor race style thing. They conquered the galaxy using their armies, among which were the Zentraedi, the genetically altered descendants of prehistoric humans that they abducted. They really liked the Zentraedi, considered them their favorite weapon, so they put a lot of work into improving them. But their energy demands got too high when the Protoculture added all the cool features they wanted to their new "Evil Series" of Zentraedi, so they gave them biotech reactors draining energy from another dimension. Some sort of energy parasite wound up infecting the Evil Series, fusing with them to become the Protodeviln. The Protodeviln then rampaged across the galaxy and nearly ate everyone, but were finally stopped by the Zentraedi. That's what the Zentraedi fleet was doing when they discovered Earth, they were looking for any remnants of the Protodeviln's "Supervision Army" that they used to conquer planets.

Anyway, the other questions. Anima Spiritia is the same sort of life force that the Protodeviln feed on, just so intense that they choke on it. A Protodeviln that can harness it properly is actually very strong as a result, but getting there is near impossible. Sivyl manage it during the finale of Macross 7, feeding off of Basara's Anima Spiritia to shield him from Gepelnitch's aura while they were trying to convert him to a stable form. There are also some attacks in the SRW games that Macross 7 is in that have Sivyl consume Basara's Spiritia to fire really strong energy blasts.

As for who would win between unstable Protodeviln and the Vajra? That's a tough one. I want to say Protodeviln, just because of Gepelnitch's Spiritia Black Hole aura. Dude could theoretically all life in the galaxy if unchecked. Vajra are tough, but they're more on the level of threatening multiple star systems than every star system at once.

>>44643952
This. Coyote makes a hobby of screwing over the other local supernatural powerhouses basically whenever he feels bored. He literally steals the moon and shrinks it effortlessly just to prove a point to Annie. His true form is something more reminiscent of ASA than anything like a coyote.

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>>44643685
I usually operate on "unless the jumpmaker says so, they stay". But that's just me.

>>44643792
And you're free to do that! If it makes for a better adventure, then you keep on trucking, anon.

>>44643735
Well, they ARE space vampires. Some looked human due to possessing people, others looked monstrous due to possessing 'Evil' creatures. For the purpose of the jump, you decide which one it is and you're given that as a form. No possession, just body right there. Having Anima Spiritia as a Protodeviln will usually mean you're a stronger variant. Not like the "now I can break battleships by thinking it" kind, but I mean... come on. It's life energy. How the hell is that not an upgrade anyway? You'll probably find some abilities that needed life force getting a decent boost.

>And-not relevant to the era I rolled, but who would you bet on in a battle between an "unstabilised" Protodevlin who's well-fed and the Vajra hivemind?
So you're a fan of having a closed-casket funeral, I see.

>>44643982
...holy shit, did Games Workshop and whoever did Macross compare notes at some point? This is eerily reminiscent of the Necrons' rise and fall from power.

>>44644021
Nice. I'm totally being the fabulous kind of space vampire.

And technically there wouldn't be a casket to close if all life in the galaxy was absorbed into a supermassive sentient black hole, now would there?

>>44643952
What? What does this have to do with anything? I've read the comic, I know what the characters can do, ans I know it says in the jumps that the drawbacks are you abusing the abilities, but...that's not true.

Tall Tales That Grew True makes it so you can't even lie properly because you believe everything you say.

King in Your Head means you can't even control when your power activates. Remember what that did to Zimmy? I mean, we can use perks to keep from going insane, but still.

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>>44644096
>spoiler
...about that, Anon. Gepelnitch was bullshit because he was the boss. Like, pure bullshit simply because he was their leader. If I was offering that kind of stuff it would have to be a LOT more than 400CP. So take that as you will.

Will you be pretty stronk? Yes. Are you going to be able to just open supermassive black holes to devour entire galaxies at a time? ...I... wouldn't hedge my bets on that any time soon.

>>44644190
The reasoning behind the drawbacks still stands, though I do agree they could be worded better it takes time for me to go through and fix jumps.

Since they are so much better than anything else in the jump even if I hiked the CP cost they still would be the thing everyone guns for.

At the very least you can avoid taking them because the drawbacks are not for you. That is actually why I had them as additions to the perks, so that noone would be forced to take them.

>>44644190
I don't think anyone's ever taken any of 'em actually. Permanent drawbacks dissuade a lot of people. Hell a lot of people still avoid vampires despite there being a perk that greatly diminished their weaknesses and a few combos that can remove it with time.

>>44644249
Oh, you misunderstand me-I didn't think for a second you could pull that with the background alone. You're a stabilised ProDev after all. That was really just a comment on how goddamn ridiculous the Protodevlin are, because...space vampires.

By the by, what exactly's coming in the Bayonetta update I heard about ages ago? Gotta actually play that sometime.

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>>44644249
>Are you going to be able to just open supermassive black holes to devour entire galaxies at a time?
It's important to have goals.

>>44644292
Definitely sure ASA and at least one other has taken KiYH and I believe red took the tech one.

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>>44644354
I agree.

>>44644354
Mine include staying in shape so-I'm not gonna binge eat if at all possible

>>44644348
Oh. Well yeah, that are pretty ridiculous. Kind of why I had to scale them down a bit to get them in, because otherwise I would never be able to put a price tag on them.

>By the by, what exactly's coming in the Bayonetta update I heard about ages ago? Gotta actually play that sometime.
Well, the changelogs I have on hand right now is:

-'Investigator', 'Scholar', 'Weapons Dealer' made free
-'Umbra Witch' and 'Lumen Sage' bumped down to 100CP
-New background:
-Capstones moved down to 400CP
-New Capstones in place
-'Medium Channeling' made an undiscounted 50CP perk
-'Splice it and Dice It' made an undiscounted 300CP perk instead
-More perks

-Much more fleshed out companion options
-Canon companion option

-Weapon Customization Table Added

>>44644412
>More perks

Will Umbra Witches and Lumen Sages be getting more distinct perks?

I was going to ask if there was going to be a capstone booster thrown in too but...the only thing I can think of in Bayo that would even vaguely qualify as a capstone booster is also something too MacGuffin-y for me to take seriously, so I wouldn't begrudge you if you didn't have one

>>44643719
>No one ever makes universe sized mechas or anything.
Not with that atitude!

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>>44644451
I'm unsure, if only because they're pretty similar once you get past the themes to begin with. ...though I can think of something.

>Capstone Booster
Well I WAS thinking of a magic capstone booster called 'Eyes of the World'. Not the ACTUAL eyes, but more of a shadow of themselves which imbue you to some extent.

Also shit, forgot to put in the background. It's Aesirite.

>>44644261
How is being unable to control when you project it an abuse of the ability?

>>44643741
Thanks again, Merchant.

>>44644534
I wasnt meaning that reasoning, the reasoning that they need to have drawbacks. I agree with you that the reasoning behind the drawbacks themselves could be better, but again, time.

>>44644513
>>Capstone Booster
I always enjoy these. They add some added thought processes and complexity to building.

>>44644451
Don't suggest to her to screw up already established backgrounds.

>>44644513
I like the idea of a capstone booster for Bayonetta too but-yeah. Quantifying the actual Eyes' feat could be troublesome without resorting to knock-off eyes. I would phrase it as having the latent potential and magical prowess to be an Overseer rather than actual ownership of the eyes, since it seems implied Bayonetta was chosen by the Umbra elders after defeating Jeanne in a duel for the right to carry the Eyes.

>Aesirite

You mean like-the priests who built Fimbulvinter in homage of Aesir?

>>44644666
Don't tell me what to do, mom! You're not the boss of me!

>>44644687
Well, honestly it's either going to be knock-off Eyes or a fragment of their ability. There's absolutely no way I'm going to be tossing out the actual Eyes, that's just stupid.

As for Aesirite? As in a minute fragment of Aesir himself. It's not going to be based on his creation powers mind you... it's going to be based on how the little fucker could find anything. Loot whores will benefit this time around.

>>44644666
It's getting the Resident Evil treatment, stuff's gonna get shifted around.

>>44644666
>screw up

Don't force your opinions while conflating any change whatsoever with poor quality. I for one quite like how Macross has been revamped.

>>44644850
Crippling current perks to 'differentiate' them is an negative.

>>44644818
Honestly, don't listen to >>44644666, the autistic idiot always does that as a kneejerk reaction regardless of the actual outcome. And I can safely say I approve of both the Macross and RE outcomes

It occurs to me writing items for Lumen Sages must be much harder than for Witches since the game doesn't go into much detail on what the Lumen Sages did apart from get rekt by the Umbras.

Other than just getting willpower perks, how can you become immune to corrupting objects. For example, if I wanted to carry around the One Ring without being affected by it.

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>>44644906

>>44644906
So's your attitude, it seems, making the assumption that's what I'm in favour of. Again, I quite like how RE and Macross turned out.

Frankly I can't think of any examples of a negative change to a jump in recent history. You're jumping at shadows.

>>44644946
Get a corruption immunity perk.

>>44644960
He always pops up whenever someone talks about changing up a jump without actually paying attention to the proposed changes. So yes, he's the joke because he'd rather mib's jumps stay the way they are than ever change them and he thinks Tera's jumps are of perfectly acceptable quality as they are.

>>44644969
Like...?

>>44645017
The one in Cardfight.

>>44645017
Cardfight or Kirby. Animorphs for bonus points.

>>44645017
Kirby has immunity, Cardfight Vanguard has one that empowers you when others attempt to corrupt you, and there's a heavy metal jump that gives those attempting to corrupt you a headache.

>>44644906
I'm going to assume, for the sake of this, that you aren't the same person who thought trying to define the vague powers in Worm was an 'imagination' limiting idea.
Even if the perks somehow end up being less potent than they were, I trust Red to more than make up for it in giving both origins a proper 'path' in how those perks will stack up as well as making sure they stick to that path.
Not only that, There will more than likely be enough additions and changes to make small cuts here and there worth it.
Don't try and put a few perks above the jump as a whole.

>>44645070
>Spending more points to get worse effects you don't care about is a better path!
>It's totally worth it when you're not going to get them!
I was going to stop talking but your 'justifications' are bad.

>>44645017
Kirby has Dream Power, that's a pretty good anti-corruption perk. There's also Re-Birth from Cardfight Vanguard, which means that attempts to corrupt actually just siphon the attacker's energy. Now combine it with Turning The Tables from Animorphs, which makes any attempts to control or corrupt you reflected at the person who initiated it. Anyone who tries to corrupt you gets corrupted right back, and since you're draining their energy it's much more likely to succeed. Plus, they'll probably be responding to your lack of corruption by trying even harder, which strengthens your counterattack and drains even more of their energy. It makes for some delicious irony.

>>44645070
I really wouldn't bother. Notice how he hasn't singled out any of the proposals as objectable? And how he's ignored everyone refuting his bullshit? It's clear he doesn't have any investure in the jump's setting as a whole and only cares about his build in particular.

That, or he's just laying out low hanging bait. Might be mutually inclusive, though.

>>44644666

Stop giving people bad ideas Satan!

>>44645030
>>44645045
>>44645060
Thanks.

>>44645172
...I'm surprised we don't have a Tenacious D jump, actually.

Eh, who am I kidding, It wouldn't work as a jump. All we'd ever do is show up, rock battle the devil and spend 9 years 12 months and a couple of days twiddling our thumbs.

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>>44645123
As if to prove your point, >>44645096

Figures. Pic related, I suppose.

>>44645118
So with this combo, you could use a powerful enough corruptive object as a constant battery?

>>44645212
Credit where it's due, I respect that he's stopped posting.

Jumpers-how do you manage your businesses, franchises and other commercial enterprises? Do you delegate, or micromanage whenever you're not off on a whacky adventure?

And Digger-beyond Undertale jump does monster magic still target souls in general as well as SOULs or does it just conjure up a bunch of stuff to fling at people?

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>>44645205
To be fair, I can think of at least 3 Jumps that have that issue, just off the top of my head, and all of them I've worked on.
I don't know enough about any of the other jumps or settings to tell, but I can guess a few of them have only one or two events that take place in a relatively short amount of time that constitute the 'plot'
(Like JoJo)

In other news...
Pic semi-related, Unfortunately I've hit a snag with Kid Radd Re-make so I'm unable to work on Mucha Lucha as much.
It is still comin' along, though

What would you say the effects of Historical Accuracy (Xena/Hercules) would be on jumps set in the future? Could I still use it to get rid of anachronisms, even though that history doesn't exist yet? You know, just bring things more in line with each other, smooth out the setting details to make more sense. I wouldn't be changing the overall plot, just altering details to something that doesn't make me go "but how does that work?". Does that sound reasonable, so long as I'm not getting any concrete benefit out of it?

>>44645240
You could actually do that with just Re-Birth, I believe, no need for combos. This is just for the fun of counter-mind controlling people.

>>44645306
I think so. Like, if people somehow have guns in a medieval setting maybe they have some other form of long-ranged weaponry that gives them an overwhelming advantage against the plebian masses, like wizard staffs (this hypothetical setting is magical). So history doesn't change per se, it just makes more sense.

>>44645299

It does the second part even in-jump, if you'll see the descriptions from the Movement-based magic.
However, Monster magic does indeed target a person's soul outside of the jump. Anything SOUL-related works about as well outside of the jump, including possessing a powerful SOUL(as humans do)

>>44645303
Could always do a jump that covers 3 minijumps.

>>44645352
Excellent. Combine that with retaining the Realpolitik drawback from the Gate jump and I can make a lot of dumb settings into places that could actually exist.

>>44645451
No, I was talking more about TOME, Cave Story and Undertale.
TOME has essentially a year of 'plot', with most of it affection a single social group and then culminating in a massive game-changin event at the end of the first year.
Cave Story's plot seems to take place over the course of at most, a day or two.
Undertale's main plot and conflict takes place in the matter of hours, Possibly even simply 5 hours out of 10 years.

Granted, I'll say there are definitely things to do within the decade time period as the worlds themselves are probably extremely interesting even outside of the main plot, but I can see why something like Tenacious D wouldn't work unless you had guitar duels regularly deciding people's fates.
But then we might as well just get working on a Gitaroo Man jump

>>44645475
I thought you can't retain drawbacks for the purpose of benefiting you.

>>44645550
*affecting

Wow, I'm dumb

>>44645559
Pretty sure you can retain any purchased drawback you want.

>>44645559
Nope, that's never been an official rule, though some people adhere to it. Even so, those who do use that rule usually allow for drawbacks that only benefit you in terms of personal taste. I'm not retaining Realpolitik to get any sort of tangible benefit to negotiation (in fact, having actually competent politicians would often hinder me) I'm retaining it so that I don't facepalm every five minutes.

>>44645559
Well, it's not necessarily benefitting him. More the world itself, since some won't be running on the say-so of an author from another universe and ontological inertia. Hell, in worlds that were originally idealistic it could easily turn into an actual drawback worthy of gaining CP.

So I'm thinking of doing a chain where I become as (literally) divine as I can. How many jumps let you become a god? So far I have Smite and Supernatural.

>>44645702
God of War, Binbougami Ga and Okami come to mind, as well as Wakfu(though that's an optional thing at the end that requires you to do some Bullshit)

>>44645702
Okami ,percy jackson, lords of light

>>44645702
Percy Jackson lets you go Demigod, which might not be what you're looking for but it's close enough.
MCU lets you be an Asgardian, which may or may not count...
Lord of Light and Ashura's Wrath may or may not count as well depending on what you consider the gods there on the divinity scale

>>44644818
Is red your favorite colour?

>>44645702
God of War, Okami, Captain Planet, Golden Sky Stories (albeit a very minor one), Binbougami Ga, Percy Jackson (well, demigod), Asura's Wrath, arguably Dresden Files if you take the right employer with Job Offer, probably others but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

>>44645559
If it were that he's making them all bow down to him or something it would be giving him an advantage. With his example it can easily be argued that it gives him no advantage besides the setting being more bearable.

>>44645702
God of war, darksiders, wakfu, percy jackson, binbougami, fate jumps, lord of light, journey to the west, smite, asura's wrath, xena & hercules.

All of the above give some form of divinity. Either immediately or over time.

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>>44645702
Asura's Wrath (iffy due to technology, but you do benefit from worship), Lord of Light(also INCREDIBLY iffy, it's just a name thing, likely not the true 'Divine'), Populous (due to benefiting from worship like AW), Okami, Percy Jackson, Bomberman, Primal Rage, Girl-chan in Paradise, Supernatural, Mushoku Tensei, Warriors Orochi, Fate/Extra (while the other Fate jump could work, /Extra is the only one you can get EX Divinity in), God of War, Xena/Hercules: The Legendary Journeys, Binbougami ga (due to if you absorb enough fortune energy you become a minor god) and Smite...

..I-I don't keep track because of options I took, you know. I'm just letting you know because you asked.

>>44645797
It actually is!

>>44645842
Ohhhh. I get it now. You don't object to being considered a god because you don't like it, you object to being considered a god because you're tsundere for divinity.

>>44645702
You can leave Forgotten Realms with a Divine Rank of 0. Which is impressive because a Divine Rank of 0 is still a Divine Rank.

>>44645933
I thought Divine Rank 0 was the rank you got as the child of a god or if you died and were just famous enough to ascend or something.

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>>44645918
Glad I wasn't the only one thinking it.

>>44646050
It is. But it still gives you the Deity template, and many of the abilities that template grants you work even with Rank 0. Immunities, damage reduction, agelessness, domain sense...you get some nice benefits. Nothing too powerful, but plenty of utility.

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>>44646100
WHAT. NO THAT'S RIDICULOUS.

I mean do I like the idea of it? Sure. Am I completely fascinated by the concept and seeing it in action? Of course. But you will never see me ever wanting to declare myself one. Ever. Not my place at all. I AM A PURE AND WHOLESOME DEMON, DAMN IT.

>>44646050
you can acquire it in a number of ways. One of which requires you to be a dragon, complete a prestige class and eat your own hoard.

>>44646134
in some systems it's the same thing.

>>44646136
Of course, that's also a shitty way even in base D&D, never mind as a Jumper with the sheer amount of stuff you can collect.

>>44646134
>>44646166
Reminds me of Lolth. Demon to godhood.

>>44646136
Is that the easiest way? Because even as a god I'll probably be too lazy to do that much work in 10 years.

>>44646134
Aren't a lot of demons just the gods of a different religion than the book you're reading? I seem to recall that several of the Bible's major demons can by traced back to 'god of those pagans we crushed a few years ago' or 'god of the pagans we are fighting right now.'

>>44646134
You know there isn't really a difference in most settings?

>>44646169
Yeah, it is a shitty way. I love the prestige class, but I would never do that as a jumper.
>>44646206
Not necessarily the easiest, but probably the most straightforward. Also, with enough action you can power through a prestige class in days illogical as it may be.

Oh, this topic reminds me, anyone have any plans of making a jump for Sandman Slim?

>>44646271
Not that I've heard of. Go for it!

>>44641828
>>44641816
This made my day.

>>44643685
As creator of VtR I made sure to state that the weaknesses go away. Not all creators do put that in, so it's up to the creator to spell it out or not.

I personally go with the rule if it's not spelled out that say silver allergy to werewolves goes away after the Jump ends. Then it doesn't go away, when you're in that alt-form. Or if you choose to combine them, when you add that altform to the rest instead having it seperate.

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>>44646134

Implying demon gods don't exist

>>44646102
For a complete noob to D&D what sort of immunities come from that? What does it take to get divine rank 0?

>>44646382
At Divine Rank 0, the Deity template grants immunity to unwanted transformation, effects that would reduce your abilities, or mental influence. Those immunities don't work against anything with a higher Divine Rank, though, so it's not useful against other gods. As for gaining Divine Rank 0, there are a few prestige classes that grant it, I'd have to look them up to tell you which ones.

>>44643963
Jared Leto is a totally different Joker. He's more like the Joker from Frank Miller's Batman Returns. Which is the running theme of the DCCU, take a bit of Frank Miller's run and tweak it.

I do think the tattoos all over his face are silly. However it would be something the Joker would do. He's very definition of Chaotic Evil. You never know exactly what he'll do next. In one of his Graphic Novels he takes a henchman under his wing, then in the last scene Joker stabs him for no reason. For heaven's sake the Joker has cut off his face before and crudely stapled it back on.

>>44646382

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/divine/divineRanksAndPowers.htm

"
Transmutation
A deity is immune to polymorphing, petrification, or any other attack that alters its form. Any shape-altering powers the deity might have work normally on itself.

Energy Drain, Ability Drain, Ability Damage
A deity is not subject to energy drain, ability drain, or ability damage.

Mind-Affecting Effects
A deity is immune to mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and morale effects)."

"Energy Resistance
A deity has fire resistance of 5 + its divine rank.

Spell Resistance
A deity has spell resistance of 32 + its divine rank."
Also a button of DR, 10/Epic damage

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>>44646363
>>44646221
>>44646214
>>44646187
>>44646166
I just... I... you fucks. YOU FUCKS. I-it's totally different and Christianizing is totally different in that it did different interpretations, plenty of religions do that! That means nothing! And you're thinking of greek Daemons that were viewed as neutral divinities or even benevolent sometimes, totally not...

...I'm going back to work.

>>44646382
And all deities (even those of rank 0) are naturally immortal and cannot die from natural causes. Deities do not age, and they do not need to eat, sleep, or breathe.

Now that we've ran the joke into the ground again, a question for you Jumpers.

What hobbies do you have?

Do Sorceror-Monarchs from Dark Sun have Divine ranks? They seem kind've like minor gods or something.

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>>44646616
Gunpla

>>44646617
No, they have ranks in the Athasian Dragon template, lets them grant spells without having Divine Rank.

>>44646652
Does it grant anything else noteworthy?

>>44646681
You're a giant dragon that sucks the life force out of the world to empower your spells to incredibly new heights. If you manage to complete the transformation. Most of the Sorcerer-Kings are only at like step four or five, so they're just weird lizard men with strong but not godlike magic.

>>44646617
i guess it could depends on what edition are you running, aren't those pretty much a 3.5 thing?

>>44646735
2e

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>>44646498
Few things make me smile like flustered Red.

>>44646617
I'd say they were more than minor gods, as they're able to grant their followers cleric spells.

>>44646733
>You're a giant dragon that sucks the life force out of the world to empower your spells to incredibly new heights.
Fun.

>Most of the Sorcerer-Kings are only at like step four or five, so they're just weird lizard men with strong but not godlike magic.
Meh.

How long does it take to become a full giant evil god dragon?

>>44646773
Mark Hamill Joker is best Joker.

>>44646825
Jump states about 8,000 years or so.

It being a ManyFist jump, there was likely some detail pulled out of his ass.

>>44646825
A long time. There's 10 levels of Dragon. There's only one 10th level Dragon, his name is Borys the Dwarfslayer. He was chosen by his fellow SKs, and they sped his evolution up. He's the gatekeeper for their master, the immortal spirit Rajaat.

Each step costs thousands of lives, decades if not centuries of gathering the supplies. Then every other level you go insane for a few centuries, the pain is so intense that you lose your higher brain functions for awhile.

A lot of the SKs have stopped or slowed their evolution because of this reason. The one SK that thought to become the next Dragon, was gang banged by his colleagues. He "survived" as a Dracolich, and sought to be the true god on Athas. Needless to say it didn't end too well for him.

>>44646651
>it's literally a plastic model kit

and these somehow produce missiles and lazers and can emulate a full-on Gundam Fight?

Shit. I need me some Gunpla Drones.

>>44646616
Experiencing extradimensional media. I'm a gamer, I go to movies, I watch TV, I read books... but only if they don't exist in my world. I collect the best examples, and will sometimes introduce them to other worlds.

I also like visiting extradimensional amusement parks, museums, and similar attractions.

>>44647048
It's the arena they put them in that does it. It emits "Plavsky Particles", which are basically magic. Get a Plavsky Particle generator if you want to play with the crazy super tech.

>>44647039
Oh. So probably not best path to power, then?

>>44646998
What? What have I pulled out my ass in my jumps?

>>44647120
In the setting it is. In /JC/? Not so much.

>>44647120
Avangion and Elemental are both better by far.

>>44647185
How's the Eldar jump going?

>>44647229
He abandoned it; Wakfu is working it now.

>>44647261
Oh. Well. I don't suppose Wakfu's around to tell me how it's going then?

>>44647290
Last I read he was trucking along okay. I think he was having issues with Wargear pricing, maybe some of the writeup too. Not sure about that last part, though.

>>44647290
Last update we got from 'em on their jumps, they're trying to work on Wargear pricing.

>>44647324
>>44647343
Thank you. Sounds like they're almost done.

>>44646502
Also they get a neat base movement speed boost.

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Jumpers!

For those of you with a code, or some type of morality, have you ever willingly violated it, knowing it was the wrong thing to do?

What are your lines, and when and why have you crossed them?

>>44648205
Fuck no.

>>44647506
Also something about a psychic cat and a Half-Eldar Drawback.

That last one they were dissuaded because it was pretty much agreed /tg/ would come down upon it like a raging tidal wave of fanboyism.

>>44648433
B-but, muh psychic cat.
You're probably right. Still, I think a Drizzt parody drawback would be hilarious.

>>44648205
What's with the face of the girl?

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>>44646616

>>44648522
That disease in the drawback for ASoIaF, I think. Greyscale.

>>44648522
She has "greyscale" a disease that hardens the skin into grey like scales. It's ASOIAF version of leprosy. She was a sacrifice for her father's army to R'hylor the god of light & fire. Didn't help her father much, as half his army deserted and he ended up getting killed. Justice in a way.

>>44648577
she was "cured" tho, as in the disease stopped and didn't fully kill her. Stannis then delivered a sick burn on her

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>>44648205
I have an explicit line to never fight a god if I can help it. It just seems outside of my station, it's not right to me.

Unfortunately, FFXIV decided to take a look and completely screw me over. See, the Ascians are fun in that they have the power of the Echo in a very specific manner; they can body hop and move to another person after they get killed. So in order to kill them, you have to either absorb them as fuel to permakill them, blast them with enough Aether to WIPE THEM OUT or trap them in White Auracite before you shatter it. So long story short, you have to basically blow up their soul. Which didn't sit well with me WHATSOEVER. The Ascians, being the dicks they are, caught up on this pretty quickly and taunted me. Boasting how if I didn't destroy them there, Zodiark would be summoned.

I couldn't do it. I just could not destroy a soul. I couldn't go through with it.

Zodiark got summoned. It was fight the god or everything gets even worse than before, with Tempering and all kinds of forced worship all around. I had to cross a line there, and I didn't like a single bit of it. I really want to say I didn't have a choice. That I was forced into it.

But we all know it's a lie, and that it was my own actions that led me to that point.

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>>44648795
Don't be so dramatic, Red.

If you hadn't killed Zodiark, it would have killed you. That's how it works in this world.

>>44646616
Gaming, Dodgeball, Singing, Sunbathing, Boardgames, Randomly trolling people, Sight-seeing, Reading, and lazing about...

Ofcourse, many of those are a bit more extreme than the normal variants... Gaming is in full VR, Dodgeball is done while teleporting around and moving in mach 5-ish, Sunbathing's literally bathing inside the sun, Boardgames includes things like Materialization Shiritori, Sight-seeing includes the nearby solar systems and other planes.

>>44639789
I need this and bayonetta so much.

>>44648205
I never kill anyone I can avoid killing. I never permanently injure anyone I can avoid permanently injuring. After the first couple of dozen Jumps, that's pretty much anyone. But early on... I didn't have the kind of power I needed to make that sort of decision. I was frightened, or angry, or neither of us were willing to back down... and now all I can do is remember, and do better from now on.

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>>44648849
That doesn't mean I have to like it.

>>44645842

Insofar as rulings go, I'd lean towards the gods in Lord of Light being actually divine. Taking Yama's description of the synchronization of one's driving passion with that of the universe, if true, it's at least as valid as any other divine creature's bullshit justification.

They just get there via superscience.

>>44626960

This suggestion is how I'd think it would work out >>44627062

Harsher implementations would be "you are a mass of rapidly evolving nano-cancer". Something of an Akira situation.

>>44648944
So you're honestly saying you wouldn't fight back if Lolth, Tiamat, or Generic Evil God of Edgy Evilness #53415 were to try and use, oppress, and or take from you? Only if your life were at stake?

... Odd set of ideals but hey, not the worst I've seen.

Also can't help but expect a certain asshole to pop in and prod you for that belief.

>>44648630
He didn't do it in the books, he put his foot down hard on that suggestion.

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>>44648433
That's a bit silly, since there is a canon half-Eldar. Why not have a drawback for that?

It's old fluff, but GW stance is that it's canon before it's contradicted, and nobody has bothered to retcon this guy yet.

>>44648205
I don't have much of a code, not trying to be edgy or anything...I just don't have "this is a thing that I won't do" that I've broken as much
No rape, no carelessly stealing/murdering from someone who hasn't earned it(My only regret in Hotline Miami was not doing more damage to the mob), nothing of the sort.

There is ONE thing that I always prided myself on that sort of went away with God of War, though.
I'd considered myself kind of a free spirit, following only my whims, my stomach, and my heart. maaaybe my dick but that's not important for this bit
I became the big oppressing force guy, even a little bit, by siding with Olympus in God of War.
Even if I was some free spirited god of parties on par with Dionysus, I was still at least in some way responsible for asshole gods being alive, well, and in charge...Mostly by murdering Kratos.

>>44649067
>Harsher implementations would be "you are a mass of rapidly evolving nano-cancer". Something of an Akira situation.
I think there's a perk to be that funny enough.

>>44649076
>So you're honestly saying you wouldn't fight back if Lolth, Tiamat, or Generic Evil God of Edgy Evilness #53415 were to try and use, oppress, and or take from you? Only if your life were at stake?
Pretty much. I mean... if they wanna be dicks, then whatever. But if they're not trying to kill me, there's no real point to killing them. That's like wanting to murder a dude and all of his family just because he had the audacity to distract you before taking the last pizza slice and laughing about it.

>>44649166
Prolly because the only other example of a half-eldar is that fanfic which makes any Imperium fa/tg/uy crap his pants in rage.

>>44649168
No matter what the consequences, I'd never feel bad for murdering Kratos.

Still, why not just go for the +0 CP "drawback" that makes him an actually decent God of War instead?

>>44649236
Ah yes.

Lofn.

>>44649236
I don't know anything about these fanfics, but I doubt the kinda person that'd get mad at this for some random unrelated fanfic, let alone canon lore like I posted, probably isn't gonna come here. Or stay here at least.

>>44649166
>it's canon before it's contradicted, and nobody has bothered to retcon this guy yet.
Technically later alterations to Eldar anatomy could be seen as retconning it.

>>44649290
If you mean Xenology, that book is cited as written by a character in-setting. A biased, ignorant Xenologist from the Imperium who doesn't know half of what he's talking about. That's all the framing of the book, and let me not get into the fact that the stance on in-setting stuff like this is that can be wrong, since it's just people from the setting's perspective and not straight fact. It's on the same level as the Uplifting Primer, basically. And you know that's wrong. This guy thinks Eldar poop crystals for fuck's sake.

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>>44649244
No, I don't feel bad about killing him.
I just needed the CP and I felt kinda bad I was essentially deciding because I needed CP that I was going to prevent some dick-ass gods from getting their desserts.
I was part of the problem, and I don't feel too proud of myself for letting someone like Zeus live just so I could turn my waifu into a giant snake or get some cheese.

>>44649271
Love Can Bloom.

Vindicare Assassin & Taldeer from Dawn of War: Dark Crusade get it on.

>>44649267 has the name of the resulting half-breed.

Not that you aren't right, but people have the strangest triggers.

>>44649360
Are we talking God of War 1, or the other GoWs?

I don't remember the exact moment Kratos becomes stupid evil instead of a mix between awesome and tragic, but past a certain point he just needs to be put down. It's the humane thing to do.

>>44649360
If it makes you feel any better, if you stop Kratos from opening Pandora's box, the gods don't turn evil.

>>44649431
Ah, porn. Seems harmless enough.

>>44649214
>taking the last pizza slice
If the taker did not buy, then that's grounds for murderin'

>>44649448
I felt like throughout 2 he came across as more petty and childish NO I DON'T WANNA BE RESPONSIBLE YOU CAN'T MAKE ME ZEUS than outright evil. So probably after that, though he had his 'asshole for the sake of it' moments in 2 as well.

>>44649518
well the main story is sfw, there is plenty of porn based on it

Sooo... I rolled Spring of Drowned Magic Fish in Ranma. And have no idea what to take.

So, I figured I'd ask the thread about it. What were your Jusenkyo cursed forms?
And bonus question: What should I take?

>>44649605
I just got lazy and went phoenix. I couldn't think of anything.

If you want suggestions it's better to bring up your themes and such so people know what mythical beast fits you.

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>>44649360
>>44649448

I let him live.

I took that drawback that gives Hephaestus all your appearance perks, while rendering you into some kind of horrible troglodyte. Then I spent the entire jump in the form of a Jabberwock (Thanks, Through The Looking Glass!). So I was some kind of absolutely hideous spine of a dragon thing with swords for teeth and claws.
I spent most of the jump hitting on people.

But the best part was when Kratos went full murderhobo. Because murdering a god would grant him their power. And, eventually, he got to Hephaestus.
... so, upon his death, all at once, Kratos was suddenly engulfed in a torrent of sparkles and light, as Literally Every Cute Perk was forced into his soul, transforming him into the universe's most adorable loli.

I laughed like a madwoman for the rest of the jump, my joy punctuated only by Kratos's high-pitched screams of unfathomable hatred.

I let him live.

It seemed crueler.

>>44649671
Fair enough... let's see...


In terms of powers, mostly light-based, with a side of extreme toughness/regen, metal-eating, and storms.

As for personality... mostly trickster-y, but with a tendency to go full megalomaniacal knight-templar on stuff when angered enough. Also, kinda lazy a lot of the time?

>>44649778
Best thing I've read today.

For those of you that are into playing god, or at least fiddling around with biology on a large scale, do you ever seed races into universes that didn't have them originally? If you have, how have you done it? There are a couple cool fantasy races that end up nearly extinct because they're in shitty worlds, and I'd like to drop them off somewhere awesome so they can repopulate and build a healthy society.

Have you ever done anything like that? How much of a pain in the ass is it if you only have a few specimens of that species?

>>44649838
What about a thunderbird? Or there's a kind of mythical bird in Cherokee myth that's a giant eagle with razor sharp metal feathers.

>>44650013
I've considered it, and I actually did something similar with my Zoo in my previous chain, but at the moment I haven't exactly the resources or ability to preserve entire species yet.
at least, not yet.

>>44650013
The difficulties will depend on how you do it. If you're just going to drop them off on a rock somewhere and let them figure it out, ehhh, all you need is numbers.

If you want to recreate their culture, or have a hand in it, then you'd need some place for them to mature and socialize before you set them off wherever.

As for numbers, you could do a generation or two of vat borne and then transition to more ordinary procreation after that. I imagine studying science in Macross would be of some benefit here.

>>44650013
I give each Earth I visit a gift.

I remove the god damned Giant Panda.

They don't want to breed - THEY'RE TRYING TO RENDER THEMSELVES EXTINCT FOR CHRIST'S SAKE BY BEING A SPECIES OF BUMBLING RETARDS. WHY DO WE KEEP THEM ALIVE.

>>44650254
I make small pockets of cyptozooligical animals: jackalopes, chupacabras, etc. Nothing world ending, but smart enough to justify the whole No One Has Evidence Of Them bit and physically powerful enough to handle themselves.

>>44650254
There's a big argument among ecologists on whether or not we should preserve species that are dying out naturally, without it being caused by us. Some feel that unnaturally preserving these species is just as bad as interfering with nature by killing species off, while others feel that humans should be caretakers and preserve as many species as possible.

>>44650013
I hatched a group of Charmanders in Dark Souls.

>>44650298
Even if we were to preserve species that would die off without us, the pandas are a gigantic moneysink that could save so many so much worthier species.

>>44650359
But they're cute.

I kind of wish the damn things would just be seen as a lost cause already, too.

>>44650013
A few times. I like to just create monsters myself normally, but some species are just awesome and need to be in more places.

Cloning of an initial population is... a bit of an undertaking to produce the numbers for a viable genepool.
After that, I sometimes help 'em set up personally, sometimes just set them loose with a few central buildings containing automated teaching facilities, records, and artifacts of the original civilization.
Always drop 'em in an appropriate out-of-the-way location to grow before encountering the universe natives.

>>44650359
Pandas are mainly used as poster children. You put up a picture of a cute panda and say WE NEED MONEY TO SAVE ANIMALS, and unless you're a fund specifically only for pandas, you take the cash you get and use it to fund many kinds of animal preservation projects, and not pandas. They're just for making the public care.

Though yeah, I don't particularly care for pandas either. If we had to we could probably put up some other really cute thing. I vote red pandas. They're cuter and not as suicidal, and also they're called pandas too.

>>44650254
>Not uplifting the Giant Panda and teaching them to defend themselves against the evil Yakmen.

>>44650013
I got bored Zerg and Aliens, so I made a species of miniature moe xenomorphs that live on insects and small pests. I gave them bright colors, and made them smell of vanilla and lavender.

I sell them whenever I swing by Earth. I like to help out the environment whilst freaking people out at the same time.

>>44650381
>Cloning of an initial population is... a bit of an undertaking to produce the numbers for a viable genepool.
With the right genetic engineering knowledge and tools couldn't you drastically reduce the minimum required size for healthy self-propigation?

>>44650402
>I vote red pandas.
All of my yes.

>>44650424
Anon that sounds like they might turn into a invasive species if let out and considering how often people let go of pets they can't keep into the wild...

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>>44650424
We already have those anon, they're called parasitoid wasps.

>>44650059
Thunderbird's a good one, yeah. Don't really have a good bird alt-form either...
Think I'll go with that. Thanks, Anon.

>>44650494
Did you miss the miniature moe xenomorph part?

>>44650473
I like to think I tinkered with them enough to not do a repeat of Snakes on a Guam or Night of the Lepus: Down Under.

But I may have inadvertently fucked whole ecosystems. It's a pick 'em.

>>44650579
>Did you miss the miniature moe xenomorph part?
What do you think xenomorphs are?

>>44650402
Honestly you want them to rebound, you'll have to curb China's growth. That's main reason why they're dying out because there's billion plus Chinese, and they need resources. The Panda is a very specialized bear, not unlike the Polar Bear. If it's to succeed or fail as a species, it should do so on it's own. Instead being forced into extinction, by a species that doesn't know how to curb their growth. It wouldn't be a problem if there was multiple planets, which the growth could be spread across. However so far we just have the one planet. Or most settings just have the one planet. So it's like the Earth/World's is your house. You decide that you were gonna move 3 families of 4.5 people each in a two bedroom house, but never take out the trash and wonder why your dogs are suffering.

So if I want to splice a bunch of different species/superpowered people together and use it to turn myself into a mary-suish amalgam with all of their strengths and none of their weaknesses, what perks/abilities/tech do I need?

>>44650579
Those wasps inject their larvae into various insects. Then the larvae eats the insect alive from the inside, and uses it's carcass as a caccoon to emerge as an adult. Very xenomorph like.

>>44650648
Jurassic Park has some good stuff for that.

I was sure that we have Heroes jump but I can't find it. If we have it can anyone post it ?

>>44650651
Not moe through.

>>44650605
China's population growth is starting to taper off at least. Nothing helping the third world though.

>>44650719
This one >>44650494 is pretty cute.

>>44643276
from the wiki, as an explanation as to why death is permanent:
>This is also one of the only things that can destroy a ka'kari. This is demonstrated when Garuwashi duels Kylar and cuts him through his ka'kari. It would also permanently kill him as the ka'kari explains to Kylar that Jorsin didnt want ANYONE to get up after being killed, and wanted a way to control even the owner of the black ka'kari.
I may rework the item so it doesn't have that power, but afaik, this thing causes revivals to fail

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What is the line between wanting to fight the strongest opponents wherever you go, and being a simple murderhobo?

>>44651171
Having land. Can't be a hobo with land.

>>44651171
Killing honorable opponents that are left defenseless and attacking those who don't wish to fight.

>>44651171
Whether you let them live afterwards, and why you're doing it.

Reason and aftermath makes a huge distinction.

>>44651171
mercy, letting said opponents live after you kick their ass so they can get stronger and offer you an even bigger challange

Is there any stuff that a person really really should steal in naruto other than eyeballs?

>>44651235
Chakra armor and perhaps Robo-Naruto.

>>44651235
tailed beasts? the reibi? the hero's water? orochimaru's research?

>>44651235
The seven swords. I'm a magpie for legendary items.

>>44651235
Hinata.

>>44651235
Techniques.
Scrolls.
Waifus.
Orochimaru's Research.

>>44651171

Oh that's easy. The murderhobo is the one that spends their time killing random people, while the one wanting to fight the strongest opponents is the one trying to punch cosmic entities in the face.

>>44651321
those are nice toys

>>44651328
You mean the character who's one characteristic is her love for naruto?

>>44651381
Don't forget being a shy doormat.

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>>44646616
Sewing, cooking, gardening, playing the harp and boxing.

>>44651310
What is a reibi? Or hero water?

>>44651332
I agree scrolls are awesome.

activist
ranked
age 17
kingdom of atlas
bonus faunus
iconic outfit
iconic theme
scroll
cash
comics
novels
dust kit
cookies and coffee
team tag
varible weapon
heavy
streamlined
explosions
alt-alt mode
dust chamber
concealed
landing strategy
intellectual
light-fingered
abs
aura focus
dust focus
bigger on the inside
dust for the dunmies
pro
aura for everybody

>>44651580
Best waifu hobbies.

>>44651772
Do not waifu the lucario, many, they already have a husbando. You'll just have your heart broken.

>>44651772
Fist, you already decided your waifu this week was DIO.

At least wait a week before you re-waifu already.

>>44651889
>Do not waifu the Pokemon, many, they are animals. You'll just go to jail.
FTFY

>>44651889
then hubando their husbando to get them and their husbando.

>>44651948
But you have to change your Waifu Spec in the ever changing raid meta of World of Waifus

>>44651968
>don't waifu the pokemon
>not waifuing the pokemon
>imfuckingplying it's possible to NOT waifu at least one of the pokemon
>when there is literally a perk that lets your partner in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon have a crush on you
get your PLEB out of here