40k General Thread

>>44508755
>>44508348
>it being treated by the swooping rules as sort of a status effect you activate until the next turn.

Swooping is a status effect that FMC can enter at the start of their turn. It doesn't last until the next turn, it last until changed by a rule. Usually by the FMC changing flight mode or being grounded.

The Y'varha never enter the swooping mode. It's ability say:
>At the beginning of any of the controlling player’s Movement phases, a Y’vahra battlesuit may choose to move as though it was a Swooping Monstrous Creature for that phase. As this move represents a long bounding leap rather than true flight, the Y’vahra battlesuit does not gain the Vector Strike special rule while moving in this fashion. This special movement may not be used in two consecutive turns.

You can notice that it never say that an Y'varha enter swooping mode or count as if it entered swooping mode. It say that it can choose to move as it was swooping, and only for a phase. That means that it can move between 12" and 24" with a pivot and jump over units.

The following effect don't work for the following motives:

>A Flying Monstrous Creature that elects to Run can move up to 2D6" straight forwards if Swooping.
Running is done in the shooting phase. The Y'varna only moves as a swooping FMC in the movement phase.

>A Flying Monstrous Creature cannot charge or be charged whilst it is Swooping.
Same with the assault phase

>A Swooping Flying Monstrous Creature can never Fall Back.
This depend on when it happens. in the movement phase it can never fall back, in the other phase it can.

If you assume that the Y'varha enters swooping mode then you are fucked because unless your opponents ground it it has no way to exit it (as only FMC can change flight mode), and you are forced to stay swooping until the end of the game.

>gargoyles and warriors

Is treating CSM like legion marines (IE, 20 man footslogging blobs with bolters or maybe bolters + CCW) with some way to make them fearless a good idea? Maybe 2 squads, one with a dark apostle with that Crimson Slaughter 6'' zealot bubble?

>>44509215
I'm looking to get into 40k, can somebody recommend an army I can use?

I have some Necrons (that need to be repainted badly) that my uncle who runs a painting business gave me for my birthday once, but aside from that I'm completely ignorant; I don't even have a current rulebook. Any recommendations would be great.

>>44509425
Gargoyles are good, especially if you play them all cocky like my friend does with jumping out of synapse, going to ground then waiting for the rest of the army to catch up for a full on assault.

>>44509452
Pick an army based off of the models you like the most

>>44509452
Find one of the 40k wikis, look at the various factions and armies until something sounds cool. Fuck the meta.

>>44509235

Ah, Christ finally!

An actual straight and helpful answer that clearly spells the issue out. I've been trying various places all week to get help with this rule, and usually all I get off people is a vague gut feeling that they want the weaker interpretation to be true because Tau stronk.

Of course the other thing I did notice whilst looking this over that's a little dumb: You know how it says you can't vector strike? Well: Vector striking has jack shit to do with the swooping rules: You gain it from being an FMC. If an non-FMC ever was swooping for any reason, it would not automatically gain Vector Strike.

Redundant and unnecessary rules aren't exactly unusual from GW mind you.

>>44509510
>>44509495
Sounds good. Thanks for the advice.

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What if orks could fire their ranged weapons in assault but at BS1

Because i dont know why youd stop holding down the trigger just because youre choppin'

>>44509569
Warbikers used to do that. First turn of assault they'd be holding down the trigger still without realising that they're actually in the melee yet.

>>44509569
Still not fucking hit anything as per or usual shooting phase.

>>44509534
Yeah, the vector strike part is redundant, but if there wasn't it could be made an argument that by moving as a FMC it's considered having all the rules of a FMC related to movement, and Vector strike is one of them.

I don't agree with it but I can see this argument being made.

>>44509452
Play Mechanicus. Badass dusters, neat guns, crabtanks, tank people, Alpha 5, Baymax. Mechanicus has it all.

I'm gonna be playing Grey Knights vs IG(For sure), and possibly allied with DA, Admech/Skitarii, Militarum Tempestus, and/or Space Wolves. Like this guy can't pick an army to complete, so he has a bunch of units from each. Can someone help me tune up this list? He'll probably be playing Guard primarily, though.

http://pastebin.com/nTycvFJ4

>>44509432
If you can make and keep them fearless I would say they were decent troops. Just remember that Champion of Chaos can and will bite you in the ass

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You guys got a mirror of the Dark Library that was on Mega?
Goy Workshop took it down and it's all gone now.

Okay then, looks like Counterfire Defence System is almost an auto-take on the Y'varha then. Double flamer is handy and all, but three shots at BS5 on top of that for 5 points helps with its high priority as a charging target.

Not much else is useful: Too short ranged for Skyfire or interceptor to be much use. Not a good candidate for ATS. I don't use anything outflanking so no positional relay...

That really just leaves to give it FNP or not. It's expensive on an already pricey model... But the most vulnerable Riptide too and I might need it to nova jump if it fails it's hit and run at some point.

>>44509982

BS2, shit.

BS hitting on 5s. That'll be why the fuckup.

>>44509887
>http://pastebin.com/nTycvFJ4
>footslogging purifiers with psycannons, incinerators and hammers
May I ask what you're going for with these? This loadout seems really nonsensical.

They will want to move forward to flame people but are too slow to do without a transport or deepstrike while the psycannon will lose range and shots for moving while disallowing assult due to lack of relentless.

Combine them in to one squad putting the psycannons on one unit and all the flamers and hammers on the other.

>>44510073
I don't footslog them. They come on the board from reserves 1st turn(assuming I don't botch the roll) in Deep strike. I slap them near the Servo Skulls and bam, they're in the enemy's face.

>>44510105
Purifiers don't actually have the deep strike USR, unless there's something I overlooked.

>>44510221
Oh wow, I've been using my formation wrong all this time...I read it as (summarized) units that are placed in reserve arrive from Deep Strike Reserve on turn 1 3+. God damn, I'm retarded...And that makes my fucking formation even less special...So, yeah. Here I am...

THE $85 BUNDLES ARE UP

And apparently they come with Formations.

I'm wondering if they will be actually competitive. Anyways, I'm likely going to buy the Lizardmen one, as it's 600+ points of Lizards

Anyone planning on getting some of these?

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>>44510310
Team with two psycannons will work fine on foot, maybe deep strike the paladins and put incinerator and hammer purifiers in land raider as a surprise fuck you squad? You can still take it as a heavy support to transport I think.

>>44510408
I bought $100 worth of skitarii on monday. I am an idiot.

>>44510471
I do a mega deathstar with the LR, I pack Paladins, Libby, and Inquisitor, Scout move turn 1 up the board, disembark and light them the fuck up.

>>44510408
The lizardmen one is tempting as fuck. I like the look of AoS as a war game that's not 40k sort of thing as there's not really any others out right now that interest me other than bolt action and lizardmen are my second choice after dark elves.

This could be an expensive month..

>>44510408

>Anyone planning on getting some of these?

There isn't one for Dark Eldar unfortunately.

>>44510519
That's not bad but it leaves your expensive purifiers high and dry. Do you have any other models you can swap some of them for?

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>>44510408
>TFW no Blood Angels bundle

>>44510651
Here's the list of all models I own in relation to GK:
1 Librarian, 1 Converted PA Dark Angels Librarian(Can proxy for just about anything on 25mm base), 1 Venerable Dread, 2 Dreadknights, 10 Purifiers, 5 Strike/Interceptor Knights, 5 Purgators, Inquisitor Coteaz, 10 Termies/Librarians, 1 Land Raider.

>>44510718
And the Terminator Armor Inquisitor.

>>44510408
Thinking about putting my Tyranids up for sale and starting a Imperial Fists army.So I might try to grab the Marine box. My Skitarii already have everything I need from that box, I'm just missing another Ironstrider.

>>44510659

There's a marines bundle, you can make red marines out of marines any time you like.

>>44510766
But they don't look as cool as the BA Tacs.

>>44510408
>no CSM bundle
Fuck it I'll just run best legion in 30k.

>>44510408
I want that Tau one but I don't feel like pre-ordering.
Are these limited or are they here to stay?

Guys i just had a guy tell that you fire at half range after moving with rapid fire weapons, plz tell me he was wrong.

>>44510408
>no chaos or either eldar

I'm gonna play the devil's advocate: Slaanesh getting removed along with eldar?

>>44511082
He was wrong

>>44511082
wrong
you fire double shots at half range, even if you move.

>>44509982
You can only over watch with one weapon. It also doesnt matter how many times a template weapon fires, it's always just D3 hits

>>44511118
thank god I am so pissed off

>>44511082

He hasn't played since 5th edition.

That said: Ever wondered why some weapons are 18 inch range? It's because they're balanced around having shorter range than a static rapid fire weapon but longer range than a moving one. Pros and cons.

And no, they didn't update the other weapons when they changed the rapid fire rule.

>>44511082
kindly remind the old goat this isn't 4th edition and that rule is for salvo

>>44511082
That was a thing editions past I think. In 5th it was either that or moving stopped you from being able to rapid fire. Either way he's completely wrong and needs a rulebook jammed down his throat.

>>44511099
CLEARLY THAT MUST BE THE CASE

>>44511149
>>44511145
>>44511130
>>44511118

Thank you guys he really pissed me off.

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>>44510808
>BA Tacs
>cool

Shhhh. Just sleep, anon, just go to sleep.

>>44511099
Here's your (You)

"you may not have more
Cerastus Knight-Atrapos in your army
than you have Knights of other kinds."

Battlescribe rules it as legal with 1 cerastus
dakka rules it as legal with 1 cerastus
ITC allows cerastus knights

what else do you people want? if you dont allow an oathsworn detachment with 1 cerastus you are playing houserules.
It's pretty obviously RAI even.

>>44511198
You Smurfs are just jelly that you ain't got as much bling as we do.

>>44511082
When ever someone comes out with a claim like that, just ask them to show you the rule that says it's so. If they can't find it, they're full of shit.

>>44511178
>>44511205
Not saying that's the case, but it feels like it's dumb theory o'clock.

>>44511271
>but it feels like it's dumb theory o'clock
It's always dumb theory o'clock on /tg/.

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>>44511226
At least I'm not a slut.

Put a shit on, whore!

>>44511225
One is more than zero, anon. Please go back to school. Can just take it as a LoW if you only want it. Or if having restrictions bothers you so much then just go unbound

Do Tau have horse dicks?

>>44510659
just google Blood Angel Battleforce
I know for a fact there is one on Amazon for like 80 bucks

>>44511309
Listen, just because you're uncomfortable with your Smurfsexuality , doesn't mean I gotta put a shirt over my bitching armour.

>>44511325

the original discussion was for war convocation formation.
Mathematics is not part of the discussion either, semantics and logic is. Perhaps go to uni?

>>44511337

big

blue

dicks

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>>44511367
Yeah, it's the exact same thing, minus the formation. I could just use this cool new Vanilla formation, but that makes Dante cry.

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>>44510408
>No orks

>>44511337

Yes, but only the women. Male tau have regular dicks.

>>44511372
Oh go back to your pride parade to suck some more dick.

>>44511225
I hope this is correct because I plan on getting one this summer if nothing else that is cooler comes out in the mean time.

>>44511325
The argument as I understand it as that you cannot have more or less cerastus than other knights if there are other knights on table to compare them to.
In that way it isn't 1<0 but rather 1 with nothing to compare it to.
At the end of the day though this is just a loop hole so other events could enforce 1 LoW limit while still allowing the knight in.

the 1>0 argument is flawed because it means to field a single FW knight you have to not only include every codex knight but one of each FW knight, which is stupid and goes against the point of the rule.

>>44511401
>>44511480
Okay, good to know. Do they cum blueberry too?

>>44511198
BA tacs are the best looking tactical Space Marines. Its a shame the codex is garbage.

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So I'm just getting into 40k and I wanted to start a marine army. How's this for a starter list?

Ultramarine tactics.

Captain with bolt pistol and power fist

5 terminators, one with heavy flamer.

9 space marines with bolters, one flamer, sgt has power weapon. Rhino as transport.

10 space marines with bolters, one heavy bolter. Rhino as transport.

5 marines with bolters and missile launcher.

751 pts.

>>44511497
Please, girls go nuts for us. The Ecclesiarchy makes a killing by selling Blood Angels calendars to SOB and teenage girls.

>>44510408
The Seraphon and Skitarii look really tempting to get.

>>44511497
Blood Angels are the best Marines period.

>>44511773
>>44511982
Who /SonsofSanguinius/?

>>44511831
>Please, girls go nuts for us.

Too bad you're not into girls.

>The Ecclesiarchy makes a killing by selling Blood Angels calendars to SOB and teenage girls.

Yes, the Ecclesiarchy, not the BA. But it's not like whoring yourself out isn't new to you. Enjoy your super Nurgle's rot.

>>44512010
Can't argue with the best Primarch's Legion.

>>44512029
>Too bad you're not into girls.
Keep telling yourself that. We got Chapter surfs for a reason.

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>>44511982
Second best**

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>>44512056
Third best***

>>44511773
>sanguinary guard kitbashed with tacticals
>best

>>44511982
Easy with the kool-aid, brother.

>>44512056
>Edgy faggots who try to sound deep
>Best anything

>>44512053
>Keep telling yourself that.

Tell us more about this Cadian girlfriend of yours we've never seen.

>We got Chapter surfs for a reason.

What does surfing got to do with this?

>>44512092
Is that the Word Bearers? A Legion who does nothing but sing and mope around, led by a midget with authority issues is not the best.

>>44512056
>randomly fucking shit because they want too

At least you're not highly manipulated like the CSM

>>44512092
Blood Ravens? Literally created because GW wouldn't let them use Blood Angels

>>44512093
There is no cool aid. Blood Angels are objectively the best.

>>44512140
>Tell us more about this Cadian girlfriend of yours we've never seen
I wouldn't know about Cadians, ask the Space Wolves.

>What does surfing got to do with this?
I know Ultras were never the brightest, but this is ridiculous.

>>44512179
nigger does that look like a fucking loyalist? it's a word bearer

>>44512157
>Does nothing
>All these instances of Word Bearer war bands fucking shit up

I know you're not talking shit about Glorious Lorgar, corpse-worshiper.

Is there any way to make a Battle Demi-Company competitive without massed razorback spam?

>>44511325

wow so wrong.
The rule is just so you cant spam cerastus. You can already have 1 as LOW, why not in an oathsworn? yea no reason, youre wrong.

>>44512233
>traitor Legion

Got manipulated to the extreme.

>>44512233
Lorgar does nothing but sit is his room, write in his diary, and listen to Linkin Park.

>>44512092
>>44512094
>>44512179
Y'all just jealous we cause all this terror

>>44512179
>corrupted gene-seeds
>unwillingness to cooperate
>heretical behavior
>mutations
>doesn't make up the biggest slice of chapters around
>didn't write to book on how to be a Marine, yet adopted it as their own among the first
>worship another primarch as their spiritual liege
>didn't put the Imperium back on track after the Heresy
>not trusted with your own mini-empire
>best

That's the diabetus talking, anon. Lie down and drink some fresh water for a change.

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>>44512094
>Edgy

Stop anon.

>>44512211
>I wouldn't know about Cadians, ask the Space Wolves.

Good dodge.

>I know Ultras were never the brightest, but this is ridiculous.

And another. Almost had me fooled.

>>44512263
go ultramarine with calgar. you get to use the doctrines 3 times. i think it did alright in nova but i couldn't say for sure

>>44512312
No, you're a bunch of limp-dicks who waffle around and are all like "We're making a throne outta bodies, but we're totally not Khorne worshipers".

You fagolas need to pick a side.

>>44512366
How about you come over to Baal and meet my girlfriend? She'd love to see you, and you could do something useful and help us fight the Tyranids.

>>44512384
I'm already Iron Hands.

>>44512316
Hey, Smurfy, do you remember defending the Imperial Palace? No? Oh yeah, because you were too busy making your own empire when the Emperor needed you the most.

Getting started kits have been removed from the site.

>>44512393
Keep talking that shit. I'mma add your body to the throne next.

Khorne is a fuckboy and can fuck right off.

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>>44512454
I've seen your hand already.

>help us fight the Tyranids

What's that? Best chapter needs help fighting off some bugs. Sorry, can't hear you over us killing all these hive fleets.

>>44512521
Yeah, keep telling yourself that. "I totally haven't fallen to Chaos, but I do Chaos shit all the time". You guys are so split up you couldn't conquer a lemonade-stand, let alone a planet.

>>44512544
>killing all these hive fleets

You've only got so many first companies and Calgar's only go so many limbs, Loyalist scum.

>>44512544
I'm sorry, I forgot about that when I saw the final resting place of Calgar's arms and your entire First Company.

>>44512585
>>44512571
And people give more shits about them than your primarch.

>>44510579
I'm getting it to play WHFB 8th lizards.

>>44512632
What was that? I couldn't hear you over the sound of Sanguinius wounding Horus.

>>44512562
What's that? I couldn't hear you over all the bitches Night Lords get.

>>44512632
Your entire imperium's based around the beliefs of my primarch, Guilliman-whore.

>>44512671
>Bitches
If you call emo high-schoolers you picked up at Hot Topic "bitches", then yes.

We are gonna start a Black Crusade campaign today but most of us havent played it a lot untill now. me aswell so i wanted to ask what your experiences with possesed player characters and how easy it is to get rid of the daemon with an excorcism.

>>44512656
>I couldn't hear you over the sound me crying about how Sanguinius died like a bitch to an inferior primarch.

FTFY

>>44512714
Sanguinius took on the Avatar of Chaos Undivided, and wounded him. All Girlyman did was cry in the corner and go on and on about "Muh Imperium Secundus".

>>44512687
>Ecclesiarchy follows the principles of Lorgar
>Imperium and Marines follow the teachings of Guilliman
>BA were among the first to adopt the Codex Astartes and regard Guilliman as their spiritual liege
>"No but Sanguinius is totally cool, you guys!"

>>44512697
Still more pussy than you'll ever see, you butthurt piece of shit.

>>44512788
>BA were among the first to adopt the Codex Astartes
Only because they were in shock over the death of Sang.
>regard Guilliman as their spiritual liege
Bullshit, and capital H Heresy.

You nigmos need to remember which Primarch owns the most cherished name in the Imperium second only to the Emperor. Sanguinius. Who has a holiday in his honor that's probably the closest thing to Easter the Imperium? Hawk Boy.

>>44512768
>Sanguinius took on the Avatar of Chaos Undivided, and wounded him.

Then died like a bitch so hard his Marines turned emo. That's his life's accomplishment.

Guilliman made the foundations of the Marine Chapters in writing and in numbers, the foundations of the Imperium post-Heresy. He was so good your butt boys rushed to him and adopted his teachings like that.

>>44512714
Oh my Emperor. The Girlyman got raped by Angron.

No none respects him in combat.

>>44512843
It goes to show you how powerful Horus was when Sanguinius fought him. Girlyman couldn't even beat Angron, pre-daemon Angron at that.

>>44512843
He broke a Blood Thirsters back.

He fought off a crazy amount of daemons.

He died for the Emperor.

Girlyman split up the Space Marines and alienated 3 chapters. All he ended up doing was limiting the Space Marines that agreed.

Girlyman then got fucked up by literally who.

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Reminder that while you're all bitching about who gets second place Lion is waiting for his time to awaken, and as the most pure and loyal primarch before and after all the others died or went traitor he shall lead the imperium to a nineteenth golden age.

>>44512918
Maybe if he could get over his crippling autism.

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>>44512918
>Lion
>loyal

>>44512918
Wait, remind me what dumb way Lion died.

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>>44512944
>not putting rainman in charge of all imperial resources

>>44512953
>implying

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>>44512991
He didn't die. The Gods made Luther stronk enough to take on the Lion, but were still denied.

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>>44509942
Nobody?
;_;

>>44512944
>guy who grew up a literal feral child in a wilderness hellhole doesn't have the best social skills
>HURRDURR MUST BE AUTISM
I want this meme to die.

>>44512994
Reminder that the real Lion is actually Cypher and the Lion who sleeps tonight is a fake. Also that "Lion El'Jonson" is a stupid name.

>>44512911
>Broke the back of a run of the mill Blood Thirster
>Lorgar dueled the greatest of Khorne's Bloodthirsters, and won

Oh yeah, Sanguinus was great.

>>44512991
In parallel to the horus heresy he was hit by a hefty psychic attack from Luther and was knocked out cold. After that Luther came to his senses and gave chaos a no vote leading to >>44513030 where the chaos gods then threw their toys out the buggy and warp-stormed Caliban.

The watchers in the dark took Lion away and his him in the rock where he's recuperated and is ready to fuck shit up when the time is right.

>>44513030
OK remind me how he got fucked up.

Reminder Chaos God's were never disappointed in Sanguinus not turning because they knew he was incorruptible.

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>>44512316
Just remember that our Primarch died so the Emperor and his Imperium would live. Guilliman's claim to fame may be reorganizing the Imperium; but if not for Sanguinius' sacrifice, there wouldn't be an Imperium to reorganize. I didn't see Ultramarines on Horus' battlebarge, or taking the hit for our Emperor- that was the Imperial Fists, White Scars, and Blood Angels.

>>44513059
Can't be worse than lyn elgonsen or whatever he used to be called.

>>44513091
Was Logar like Horus'd up or something?

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>>44513082
>implying Lorgar's achievement mattered when a mortal bested said daemon

>>44513128
Reminder that only Dorn and Sanguinus accompanied their father to save the human race.

>>44512863
>>44512904
>>44512911
Nobody's holding up Guilliman's death as his greatest moment, unlike Sanguinius. Guilliman made sure the Imperium still exists to this day. Sanguinius died for nothing (the death of a fucking nameless terminator moved the Emperor more) and his legacy is just suffering to his Marines, who chose the teachings of Guilliman.

>>44513132
It actually can.

It can't, however, be worse than Iron Hands of the Iron Hands and his Iron Hands.

>>44512843
>died like a bitch

He died fighting Horus. If ever there was anyone in the universe that didnt die like a bitch, its Sanguinius.

Dial back the hate, vitriol, and negativity guys. You can have your favorites and least favorites without everything being 'edgy' or a 'faggot' or 'autistic'. Lighten up.

Which Primarchs are still alive for potential Age of Emporer? Lorgar, Perturabo, Fulgrim, Angron, Mortarion, Magnus, Vulkin, The Lion, Khan, Corax? Anyone else?

>>44513190
Are you retarded? Sanguinus was able to weaken Horus so the Emporer could kill him

>>44513190
He made a chink in Horus's armor. That chink was what the Emperor needed, and had Sanguinius been well rested it would have been more than a chink.

>>44513128
And where were the BA when the Imperium was tearing itself apart in the aftermath of the Heresy? That's right, crying themselves to sleep until Guilliman came to their door and asked them if they had heard of the Codex Astartes.

>>44510408
>http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-40-000?N=102352+4294965381&Nu=product.repositoryId&qty=12&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat440130a-flat

It's not showing anything for me whatsoever. What the hell, are they already gone?

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>>44513235

Russ

>>44513235
Alpharius... maybe

>>44513245
If you mean licking his wounds after Word Bearers kicked over his sand castle, you are correct. Its nice that the Ultramarines showed up to the party at all; you know, after all the important stuff happened...

>>44513227
>He died fighting Horus.

So did many others.

>>44513238
>>44513240
Yet without the intervention of Pius/a terminator/a custode, the Emperor would not have had the chance to strike the final blow, so quit hogging all the glory.

>>44513288
furries who went to the eye of terror to fall to khorne don't count

>>44513245
So, do you have some odd, unhealthy hate for the Blood Angels? Why do you think that is, because its seems weird to hate a fictitious group this much.

Or do you just love the Ultramarines so much, that you cant tolerate any other Primarchs/Legions getting any glory or love?

Either way, you seem a bit off man. Take a deep breath and think about the way you're acting.

>>44513235
Even all the confirmed dead primarchs have ways of reviving so the answer as to who comes back is who does GW want to come back.

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>>44513405
>confirmed dead primarchs have ways of reviving
>mfw senpai might actually notice me

>>44513323
Well spin it however you like. Thats Sanguinius' role in the fluff. Beloved icon that gives his life doing his job. If it makes you feel better to piss on that, cool.

>>44513391
>>44513245
Seriously, dude- show us on the doll where the awesome space vampire touched you.

>>44513320
I guess they could have not come at all. I mean, I'm sure Horus would have lowered his shields for you to have a go at him without Ultras coming full steam to Terra. I'm sure you guys were just about to strike the final blow to drive Chaos off of Terra, right?

But hey, I'm sure dying is more important than forging an empire out of the ashes of the Heresy. As we all know, once the BBEG is dead, all bad things just vanish from the world and everyone lives happily ever after.

>>44513430

Generally speaking, ressurecting a suicidal person doesn't last very long.

>>44513430
You'll be dead thousands of years before then, Anon.

>>44513430
Curzefag, I love your posts for there potential to make even the greatest clusterfuck of opinions fun and awesome.

>>44513430
Dude dont, seriously man please. I play NL in HH, and I love that Legion. Youve been contributing to threads just like any of us for the past couple months. Please, please dont bring back that weaboo schtick.

>>44513458
He's not gonna be suicidal once I get on his dick

>>44513391
>stating facts is hate
>not blindly screaming "teh best chapter/primarch" is hate
>not ignoring the fluff is hate

>>44513439
Yes, that's exactly his role in the fluff. And the role of Guilliman is that of rebuilding the Imperium and the role of the Ultras are to be THE space marine chapter. That's been their role since 2e.

>>44513452
Is that what you call hiding in your pocket of the universe until the boogeyman is distracted and then showing up late?

>>44513443
Those two posts arent from the same anon, anon.

>>44513549
Sorry, getting to be quite the shit storm in here. Forgot why we were even duking this out. Think Ultramarines guys was talking down on Blood Angels.

>>44513267
I think it's broken. Maybe it's not showing up for certain regions? Lol I dunno

>>44513525

Wow man, theres no point trying to talk to you. Everyones entitled to their own headcanon though, thats the beauty of the setting.
Im genuinely glad you are invested enough to feel this strongly about 40k. I just feel kinda bad for you that theres so much hate wrapped up in your views.

can anyone recommend some good bootleg figures or custom bits? esp if i don't want all dangly-part having battle buddies. I'm primarily looking for minis to use for dark heresy.

>>44513639
Ebay is always your friend,bud. Victoria miniatures also has some nice stuff.

Theres room in the universe for every Legion to be awesome guys. Letting a Legion or Primarch (other than your favorite) to have some glory or credit just enriches the setting, and makes it deeper. Chill out guys, Ultras and BA are both legendary. Their Primarchs are two of the most loved and respected to. Honor and respect your brothers, it makes us all stronger.

>>44513525

Matt Ward fuck off, stop ruining one of my favorite chapters.

>>44513323
And without Sanguinus the Emporer would have died anyways.

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>>44513509
Curzefag, I must admit, I admire your dedication. Have a Curze.

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>Play 150 Ork Green Tide with Painboy
>Take 2 Deffkoptas and 3 Deff Dreads, since it's friendly game don't want to be too competitive
>Horde gets 12 inch charge turn 2, wipes the Zerkers
>Horde gets assaulted from each end, 18-24' from each other
>Chaos Lord Challenges, Warboss gets punked (Thanks bigges an da best)
>Spend the next 6 combat phases trying to get out of combat, more of his units get stuck in
>over 300 attacks into a Raptor squad, takes 4 combat phases to kill them
>infernus Dread 1v3s two Dreads and a Kopta
>other Dread gets immobilized
>1 hit from both Deffkoptas, 0 dmg

Jesus what a game to start the year off. My back will never forgive me.

Also anyone who says Deffkoptas are good is insane lmao

>>44513820
Sounds like a blast!

>>44513715

those are sweet, but my god are they expensive.

>>44513811
Thanks anon

>>44513834
Would have been great if my Orks didn't get pulled between 4 Squads and it was an objective game lol

Or if my spine wasn't nearly broken from pile in moves

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>>44513602
>>44513631
>>44513525
>>44513744
Can't we all act like brothers?

>>44513923
Not even that.

All tier 1 Primarchs should band together.

Lion, Sanguinus, Girlyman and Dorn.

These guys problems were completely manageable and not a big deal.

The others are shit heads.

>>44509887
Here again, my opponent confirmed he's playing Guard and I've fixed up my list. I'm gonna slap the Purifiers and the Inquisitor in the Land Raider and with the Homer on the Knight of Flame, shit's gonna deepstrike perfectly around the Land Raider.

http://pastebin.com/3zQYA8hK

>roll 11 on the warp storm table
>tell my opponent to take the psychic test on his flyrant
>he fails the leadership test
>laugh my ass off when his flyrant became my herald of khorne

>>44510812
Iron warriors right?

>>44512825
Bangles suck compared to Minotaurs
so do ultrafags

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>>44513631
I don't even like Ultras, but I do know the fluff.

>Ultras are the best (since at least their 2e codex)
>BA were the first to adopt the Codex (Index Astartes, Codex: BA, etc.)
>BA uphold Guilliman's teachings (5e Codex: SM and BA)
>Guilliman wrote the Codex Astartes and the organisation of SM Chapters (do I even need to give source to this?)
>Guilliman was at the center of reforming the whole Imperium in the aftermath of the Heresy, including the formation of the 12 High Lords (6e rulebook)
>Ultras run their own mini empire of several star systems, command Guard grade PDF that they give freely to the Guard even though they don't have to (2e Codex: Ultramarines)
>Ultras command, on top of their own chapter fleet and the Ultramar Auxilia, a whole second fleet of non-Marine ships called the Ultramar Defence Fleet (5e Codex: Tyranids)
>Ultras gene-seed is not corrupt and they're favored chapter for the creation of new chapters, making Ultras successors the dominant force among Space Marines (5e Codex: SM, among others)
>Ultra successors uphold the lord of Ultramar as equal to Guilliman and would come to their aid when ever possible (5e Codex: SM, among others)
>Ultra successors keep close ties to each other and even help in founding new chapters by giving men and materials (IA vol. 9)

But, I mean, BA are totally better than that. We don't even need any evidence of this, it's just objective fact.

>hate

Maybe stop projecting? I'm not angry at anyone. Just throwing out fluff. I have no stake on either horse here.

Truth be told, if I'm not horribly mistaken, even Guilliman was convinced Sanguinius should be the next Emperor if everything goes to shit. But I don't know what metric people measure "best chapter" with if it isn't the fluff.

>>44513796
>Ward wrote 2e Ultra codex

Anon, I think your chapter was ruined from the get-go.

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>>44514402
>>44514375
The fun part is that all smurf wankery was written by creator of 40k Rick Priestley.

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>>44514375
>blood angel
>geneseed mutation keeps us from truly following the codex astartes
>mfw calgar-senpai will never notice them

>>44514460
But that's not Matt Ward.

>>44514225
>such is life

>>44514482
Don't worry, anon, there's always hope: >>44513430

>>44514084
Ferrus wasn't a shit head, he just had a hard time keeping track of his head.

Are Britbongs getting the bundles?

That Skiitari one is so totally tempting it's insane.

I don't need Seraphon, but I do. I have like 11k of them. But I have NONE of the 8th edition new kits. Which I want.

>mfw I had 18 Kroxigors for a horde

Also. I downed a glass of whiskey at 5:20am. Probably not good for when bundles come up, or I'll just buy shit loads.

But, thankfully, GW sent me a free Magos when Skiitari came out. So that alone will put me off.

What's the view, is Mechanicus the better 'main army' while Skiitari the 'ally arm'?

>>44513367
>The most loyal primarch and his strongest warriors went on to complete their oath to the Emperor and hunt his enemies in to their own lair all for his glory.
FTFY

>>44514544
>What's the view, is Mechanicus the better 'main army' while Skiitari the 'ally arm'?
If you're talking about making them competitive you run them in War Convocation. If you wanna blend formations in other ways you're probably best off making the Dominus your warlord to avoid giving up StW so easily... although a PE squad of Plasma Calivers is super tempting.

>>44514543
Good point.

While Ferrus wasn't a tier one Primarch he really didn't have an issue. Same with Vulcan. They just made weapons for everyone like Bros.

They should Tier 1-b.

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>the new kits are already gone off the site

>>44514084
>Lion
>Tier 1

kek.

>>44514648
Was there any discount to them?

>>44514727
yes. tau box has fire warriors, new etheral and 3 crisis suits for $85. 3 suits are $70 i believe on the gw site

>>44514084
Who are the tier 1 traitors?

Lorgar, Horus, Angron, Fulgrim?

>ven dread
>that awesome terminator captain
oh man this is going to be hard to resist

>>44514642
The Istvaan loyalist chapters were all pretty badass during the Crusade, but since they got punked by Horus so early in the Heresy they never really got the chance to be badasses like anyone else. It is sort of hinted in the FW books that the Iron Hands were militarily one of the most powerful chapters before getting slaughtered at the drop site, and Ferrus was tactically one of the most competent as well - he just loses his shit when he finds out his best friend is sucking daemon cock and all capacity for rational thought flies out the window.

Granted, they also had a reputation for not giving a flying fuck about the lives of the Imperial army and used them as expendable decoys, so they're not the honorable warriors that the BA and Ultras were. They were just really, really good at murdering the enemies of the Emperor as efficiently as possible.

At the end of the day, though, that's what I like most about Ferrus - he doesn't pretend to be anything more than a living weapon. He knows exactly why Big E made the marines, and knows full well there's no real place for them as statesmen or citizens in the world they were creating in the Crusade. He and his legion are there to go out and put worlds into compliance and kill anything that doesn't bend the knee.

I'm just getting into 40k now and I've read a fuck ton of wiki pages and the dark angels and alpha legion are my favourite fucker. I have the dark vengeance Dark angels and I bought a sternguard veteran squad. How should I go about to complete my Dark angel army and start and alpha legion army? Also are characters worth it? I.e Supreme grand Master Azrael?

>>44513820
oh god-- paint your fucking shit faggots, or dont take pics and post them online. keep that shit to yourselves

>>44510659
Or space yiff

PRIMARCH TIER RATING

Listed in no particular order save for their tiers.

TIER 1: Accomplished important deeds and feats for the Empire while having only minor personal issues.

Sanguinus, Guilliman, Lion, Dorn

TIER 2: Accomplished minor deeds, but also didn't have personal issues.

Volcan and Ferrus.

TIER 3: Loyal, but caused major problems because their personal issues made the Hersey worse.

Leman Russ

Corax (did not remain loyal but did not fall to the taint of Chaos)

Tier 4: Their personal problems lead them to Chaos. While admirable, they were highly susceptible to manipulation.

Horus
Magnus

TIER 5: the shit tier. These were despicable and disgusting individuals with little redeeming qualities.

Angron

Finish out the list /tg/

>>44514792
>Lorgar
>Fulgrim
>tier 1

>>44514927
>Corax (did not remain loyal but did not fall to the taint of Chaos)
you're gonna have to explain that one bro

>>44514927

Does Guilliman really get to be Tier 1 when he didn't actually make the battle on Terra?

>>44514648

Scalpers gonna scalp.

>>44514976
>Get started with...

Bravo GW

>>44514969

Well he is the sole reason the Imperium still exists 10,000 years later and his arrival was what made Horus slip.

>>44514969
The actual end point of the heresy is a dumb thing to judge every primarch by. Yes even sanguinius.

>>44514969
Do we have to praise Patton when he didn't take part in the Normany landings nor did he invade Berlin?

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>>44514927
>Angron
>shit tier

>>44514872

He could have just primed them green and been like 90% done too.

>>44514962
He just didn't like the Emporer or Chaos.

>>44514969
Without him or Sanguinus the Empire would have went to shit post Hersey and since Sanguinus was dead...

Give props to the dude. He salvaged the Empire into a functional disaster.

>>44515011

Bitch couldn't even conquer his starting planet.

>>44515018
I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Konrad Curze, not Corax. Corax is Raven Guard, and was the one loyalist primarch that made it out of Istvaan intact enough to actually do anything meaningful later on.

>>44515018
I think you got Corvus mixed with Curze.

I've decided I want to make a Skullhamma but I want to use an alternate base chassis. I was think of the Dragons Maus or T28 Kit. Does anyone have any suggestions on what other kits I could use?

>>44515063
>>44515058
>>44514927

Er, yeah I meant Curze.

Where would Corax be though? Tier 2 or 3

>>44515101
Tier 2.

>>44515101
Istvaan loyalists are all tier 2.

What if 40k is in the middle of the ramp up to their own series of End Times books? Hell, aren't these new campaign books serving the same purpose? What if two years from now 40k is replaced by Age of the Emperor?

>>44513235
Is Dorn confirmed dead, or did they only find his hand?

>>44515406
Yes he's confirmed dead, parts of his skeleton are spread around I do believe

>>44515378
Age of Sigmar was the best 40k plot advancement that got palmed off on WFB for some reason.

>>44515378
At least one person is going to stab the CEO of GW I want to say. If GW pulled that stunt, I don't think there's going to be a GW left.

>>44515406
He's dead, bones encased in an amber statue I believe. I think the fluff has always been flip flopping the issue of the body but he has always been dead, without a doubt.

>>44509432
couldn't you give them the Icon of Vengeance to make them fearless?

>>44515035
Indeed he did not, he killed it

>>44515433
>>44515417
False.

he's the Emperor's personal Centurion

>>44515471
fanfic pls leave
i enjoy the fluff explanations but i wish they'd lay off the fanfiction

>>44515461
Yes. I mentioned the Dark Apostle Relic since it'd allow me to give them fearless And hatred, as long as they stuck relatively close together.

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so fun fact on the pre-order box's apparently there was no limit on how many you could buy my lgs owner bought around 5 grand worth of the boxs with the intent on selling them in store for 100-110 and on ebay if they sit for a while

apparently gw allotted a set amount of boxs per region some regions still have some left but most of the major regions(us,eu,etc) have been bought out already

> 15 tau 8 tech 12 necron 10 space marine 10 astra and 5 nid boxs

(good thing i play nids and have no need for another hive tyrant or any more warriors)

>>44509432
Take Fabius and enhance them.

>>44515521
Well I mean they have to take it somewhere. Vaults of Terra already exists.

>>44515656
what a terrible way to set it up
as expected of GW

>>44515656
Why are you lying anon? They'll be back up tomorrow.

>>44513820
tankbustas>deffkoptas...and almost everything else in the codex

>>44515656
>*screams internally*

>>44515656

>Check out the deals on the website here in Ausland
>"Oh, they did put an Ork bundle up, I wonder what the saving is"
>No saving whatsoever

Well, enjoy your discounts other armies.

>>44516822
I feel your pain brother. It's not like we're living on the edge of the Imperium.

I just honestly wonder if GW would gain the popularity that other games have (I.E. D&D and MtG) if they just lowered their prices.

>>44517068
I wouldn't doubt it, the lore is really good too (infinitely better than magics) which is something people need to have in order to invest in the game

>>44517068
>MtG
>cheaper

But seriously no. Even if GW did it right in the price and balance department let's remember this game requires a lot.

You need a 6x4 mat and terrain

You need to build and paint dozens of models.

You need to transport and store dozens of models.

You need to memorize your rules and the BRB rules and you need to get the hang of list making. In DnD you can pretty much fake it until you learn it with a good GM. Any GM worth his salt is just gonna give you a fighter or Barbarian stacked with CON and STR.

You need to know OTHER people's armies so you can select targets better.

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Do you think the Tau use horseshoes?

>>44513058
I've got it but uploading it all would be a cunt. What do you want specifically mate?

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>no Skaven bundle
I-I didn't want to start a Fantasy army anyways!

>Necron wraiths
>3+ armor AND invuln save
>3 wounds

How do I take these fuckers down? Mathematically my genestealers should be doing some damage with the number of dice they throw and the Rending Claws, but they always end up dying fast. My carnifex killed three of them singlehandedly before being shot in the back. Is Nidzilla the one true path?

>>44517388
*2 Wounds

>>44517388
Yes

>>44517365
Wrong general bruh

>>44517388
Better invuln than armour means its best to use mass smallfire on them
T4 3+ is a space marine, and they die easily enough all the same

>>44517477
pretty sure wraiths are T5

>>44517253
No, they multi toes hoofs, not singular ones.

>>44517388
Massed attacks, force a whole lotta wounds on them, or just give them some cheap meat to chop up, ID can also work though it's hard with t5 and a good save.

>>44517505
>>44517477
Not to mention Reanimation on top.

>>44517607
For how many points?

>>44517607

Isn't that only if they are within the spider formation?

>>44517625
about 40 IIRC. they only get reanimation if they take the formation, and that's only within 12" of the formation's spyder

>>44517388
Throw the stealers out your window and take some hormagaunts with toxin or gants with devourers and drown them in dice

>>44517607

Smash the spider first.

>>44517607
>shootthedoctor.jpg

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>>44517949
>>44517771
>>44517607

>>44517644

Do they have to stay within 12 inches of the Spider at all times, or do they just need to be within 12 inches of the Spider at the start of the movement phase? Because I really can't tell from the rules.

>>44517999
Exactly.

Spiders and Ghost Arcs.

So I'm a dad, my son got into this hobby about half way through last year. He decided to take Orks up as an army as he found them to be pretty funny and loved the idea of these very durable and threatening force that is hard to beat. So the wife and I started to help him build up an army as a sort of reward for doing chores around the house.

He's a amassed quite an army over time and seeing as we recently moved across country for my new job he got excited at finally being able to play this game with people in real life, as we didn't live in the best city for it.

So upon moving of course he felt a little alone having left his friends so the prospect of playing games with people was a big uplifting idea for him. The problem stems from the fact that Orks don't exactly seem to be the most competitive army, and the sadness that I see from my son each week has he comes to tell me that he lost another game and is being called things like an easy win really upsets me.

He plays against 15-23 year old, he is 12, and the main armies are eldar and tau. Is there anything he can do to improve his chances? He feels lonely and sad and all his enthusiasm for his army that he refused to changes, wife and I did suggest, has just gone out the window and it's really hard to see.

What can his Orks do so he doesn't lose, or at least has a chance at winning?

>>44518215
He's young. We all took our lickings and learned from them to come out on top. Besides, Eldar and Tau are frequently played by people who love abusing certain mechanics and rules in game anyways. Orks are just there to get stuck in. He needs to run more Trukks and Battlewagons to get his boys into hand to hand combat ASAP where the Ork would more likely dominate.

This coming from a Tyranid player where we can't use vehicles and lose 40% of our main combat strength before I can think about launching an assault in the next turn.

>>44518215
The biggest problem sounds like the people he's playing against. If they're pulling out those armies against a new ork player they are massive cunts. Unfortunately, with the state orks, tau, and elder are in there isn't a whole lot he can do from a competitive standpoint. I'd recommend seeing if there's a way to set up narrative games, or little campaigns. Something based more on the story of the fights rather than who has the biggest number at the end. That's what I'm doing with a new player right now, takes the pressure away and makes the game more fun and the outcome less important.

>>44513820
Deffkoptas are great for sneaking around and grabbing objectives, they're a tactical unit, not a killy one.

>>44518266
>>44518297

Thankyou for your comments. I guess it is basically just down to unforgiving opponents and a huge difference in armies.

I guess I'll just get my wife and I an army so we can play against him in a bit more friendlier sense.

Thanks anyway.

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>>44518215
Sounds like he's playing some assholes
Orks can be quite challenging as they currently are, their most recent Codex was during GW's most recent nerfing mood swing

Here's one useful resource that breaks down pretty much every unit and wargear option
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Orks(7E)

As >>44518266 said, Orks need to quickly get to combat where they can avoid all that shooting and fight on their terms
One strong option is the Ghazghkull supplement's Blitz Brigade, for rushing several Battlewagons full of Orks straight into your opponent's face, leaving all their anti-infantry sitting there doing nothing until those beastmobiles can be cracked open

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>>44518266
>>44518297

It ain't easy being green, these anon are right. Cheeky Eldar and Flavor of the Millenium Tau are punks to most new players. Getting the boy into more story driven and "there for fun, winning is just a secondary bonus" campaigns and mock fights are what the doctor ordered.

We all started somewhere and had those kinds of players down talk us at some point. Some of us never improved but held on with an endearing tenacity and started figuring out that even without being considered a competitive force or tough opponent, we learned to have fun, enjoy the challenges and when we do win, to watch the confusion and agony on the faces of those who thought themselves superior.

>>44518370

Oh I had not heard of this supplement thing, like I said I'm basically just helping my son make the army he wants, so if he doesn't know about this then i'll be sure to point him in the right direction.

His opponents seem to be fielding bikes mainly so I guess being able to move around quicker will provide some much needed competitive edge for him. Thank you for your advice.

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>>44518215

A lot depends on what he's playing against. I played against an Eldar player today who had a Wraithknight, and my Orks pulled off a win. Was a great game too.

However if that guy had decided to throw down 3 Wraithknights on the table frankly there wouldn't be much I could do. It took both my units of Tankbustas and a 4 man squad of Meganobz to take down the Knight, and even then it was a close run thing.

Sitting down with your group and working out what is best for everyone is the best way to resolve issues. But this doesn't work for everyone. Some players take umbrage with being told that taking the strongest possible list isn't fun for other people; I mean, it's a game right, the objective is to win, why shouldn't I play to win? Finding that delicate balance can be very difficult.

If your son wants to fight fire with fire, here's some suggestions.

1. Green Tide. 100+ Orks in a single unit. Make sure the Warboss leading it has a Big Bosspole. Get a Painboy in there. Probably around 5 nobs or so with Power Klaws. The advantage of this list is that many players don't gear themselves for anti-horde. Back it up with Tankbustas in Trukks/Battlewagons and some Mek Guns.

2. Blitz Brigade. 5 Battlewagons with Scout. Units inside can't charge on the first PLAYER turn, but can charge Turn 1 if you go second. Load them up with Meganobz, Burnas, Tankbustas etc and dump them in your opponent's face.

3. Biker Boys. Attached is the list that won Storm of Silence.

>>44518414
Thank you and everyone else for your advice, I'll be sure to save all these suggestions and present it to him so we can try and formulate a plan together to help win.

I like to be involved in anyway I can so hopefully this will be fun for us to discuss and create tactics.

>>44518414
It's beautiful... I mean Orky.

Kinda shit discount on the Necron one unless they hiked the price of warriors and stalkers whilst I wasn't looking. Basically a free Lord as opposed to a £40 discount for the other three I added up?

>>44518414
If you Scout or Infiltrate, you cant charge t1 even if you go second. This was different in 6th, so I know many people are confused about it.

If there is a special Blitz Brigade rule I do not know about, disregard this.

>>44518432
If everything else fails, you could buy him 15 Wraiths, 3 Spyders and some scarabs so he can ally in 3xCanoptek Harvest formations

>>44518443
Could be worse, could be Orks.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Start-Collecting-Orks-bundle

They don't even get a formation.

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>>44518414
>the first PLAYER turn

I'm not seeing anything about player turn in it.

>>44516822
>>44517068

The basic Ork Boyz box is one of GW's best priced boxes since it's very cheap as it's based on an older pricing scheme, and it still has 10 models. But the reason it's that cheap is because it's old as shit.

You want resculpt? Okay, 5 high quality CAD Boyz for $50.

>>44518215

Buy him a looted Knight Crusader, looted Tau'nar, looted Stormsurge, and looted Wraithknight.

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>>44518444

The unit inside the transport doesn't have Scout; the transport itself does.

Nothing in the Scout rule actually disallows a unit on a Scouting transport from charging on the first turn. However, to my knowledge, the only way to get a Scouting Assault Transport is the Blitz Brigade.

>>44518497

That's because it doesn't say Game Turn. Whenever a rule refers to ‘a turn’ it always means ‘player turn’ unless it specifically refers to a ‘game turn’

>>44518472

Screw the formation, they don't even get a discount.

>>44518528
And suddenly Blitz brigade just became even better.

Fucking 5 Battlewagon cost though, why couldn't it be 2-5!??!?!

>>44511798
>751pts

>>44518497
>>44518528
Still, the Scout move is enough to ensure that the enemy only has one turn of shooting (two if they set up all their shit at the back of their zone, but they'd concede the board) before these things get close enough to unload the boyz to get stuck in

>>44518551

Just imagine if they had the old Deffrollas still.

The worst part about Blitz Brigade is that you sink nearly 600 points into units that don't do much more than deliver your units into the battle. Granted, that's a massive advantage, but once they dump off their cargoes you're left with some AV14 metal boxes that don't really do much.

>>44518497
>Whenever a rule refers to ‘a turn’ it always means ‘player turn’ unless it specifically refers to a ‘game turn’.

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>>44518574
Mate if they had the old deffrollas I would field nothing but Looted Wagons. 47 points? Yes please. ROLL UP! ROLL UP.

>>44512516
End timesssssss

>>44518574
It's a big chunk of your points for sure, but remember that if you put all your infantry in them, all the points the enemy has put into anti-infantry is useless until Ork boots are on the board

>>44518561
>>44518574

That's 600 points to ensure that 1/3 of your army isn't wiped out turn 1. I don't give a fuck at that point it is almost unheard of to actually have units in combat at near full strength let alone fucking turn 1.

I really need to drop some money on Battlewagons

The Getting Started kits are back up in the Italian store. So it will most likely be back in your country store too

>>44518593
>>44518608

Oh like I said, it's a massive advantage. it's just hard to find a use for the Battlewagons after they've dropped off their troops. I usually go hunting objectives. Shame you can't destroy non-open topped vehicles with Ramming now, unless they only have 1 HP left. AV16 on the front for Ramming attacks is legit.

>>44518636
Best use would be LOS blocking and then late game objective sitting. And if you're really crazy tank shocking.

>>44518652
>>44518636
Don't forget that the Orks can always get back IN the battlewagons

>>44518657
BUT IF DAZ IN DA WAGON DEN DAZ IZ NOT FITIN! SO DAY IZ MUKIN ABOT

Hmm... Fire Warriors and an Etherial I was going to get at some point anyhow, but with free Crisis Suits because huge discount?

Well okay then.

I already have six plasma and three fusion suits, what would be a good use for another three? Not burst cannon, my army has enough 5/5 spam.

>>44518738
Plasma and fusion are all I'd take them for personally
As you said, plenty of pulse elsewhere, and S7 spam is best left to ion and broadsides

>>44518761

AFP?

>>44518778
Whats that

>>44518791

Airbursting Frag Projector.

Those and Cyclic Ion Blasters aren't experimental anymore.

>>44518807
Really?
Do the suit kit come with the guns?

>>44518834
Not the new Crisis kit, no
Just one each on the Commander sprue

>>44513923

The Lion looks fucking awesome on that pic. Probably his best depiction.

>>44518847
Oh that's a shame.
Speaking of the commander. How good is it to make him a flyer?

>>44518847

AFP Doesn't look that hard to convert tho, source some plastic tubing of the right size, pick a gun and replace the barrel.

>>44518858
Don't see much point if he's stuck with a slightly-better burst cannon and missile pod

Are there any good formations for chaos that include daemon engines?

I know there's a Khorne one but I'm mono Slaanesh so that's kinda out the window.

>>44518858

Consensus is awful, some die hard fans will say otherwise.

Either way, his main role is anti-vehicle and you have other shit for that that isn't a free kill point for armies with great anti-air.

>>44518888
>>44518875
Right. Thanks for the input. I'm getting back into 40k from 5th ed and I appreciate you guys answering my questions!
Also what's the view on breacher FWs?

>>44518888
I prefer sniping with plasma, fusion and advanced targeter
Gold if you land the 'no Look Outs' trait

>>44511565
Using that logic you can just spam Cerastus. 3-5 with nothing to compare against so it must be legal. The rule is pretty straightforward. Don't let any butthurt knight players tell you differently.

>>44511711
You would only need another kind of knight in there somewhere. It doesn't say each other kind of knight, just other knights

>>44518911
>Also what's the view on breacher FWs?

If you want FWs who dismount from Devilfish for point blank kills, they're the ones for that theme.

Lotta points for a lot that can go wrong though: Range 5 inches is just too much of a punishment IMO.

I think I asked this last thread but didn't get an answer: Is the big forge world Spore Mine comparable to the one that comes in the Tyrannocyte in size?

>>44519069
>pay 80 more points for useless transport
Fuckoff, why you even want play fw's? They're shit. They're one of the shittiest unitsvin codex.

>>44519134
Yeah, they're huge.

>>44519134
Yea. The only reasonable way of running the bigger spores

>>44519149

You know, as long as you don't go full retard, there's a lot of room in the Tau codex to build a synergy of suboptimal units into a decent tactical build that's more toned down than the builds that freak people out about Tau, but sill viable.

>>44519149

Devilfishes are good. It just that for what you want them, they are often over-equipped. Normally you'd like something less expensive.

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>>44519069

>>44519069
I have a devilfish.
Not sure how I was going to use it since I feel like my only squad of pathfinders should be on the table at the start.
I think I'll make one squad lf breachers.
My friend place viking yiffs so it might be fun against his 3+ marines.

>>44519134
To small, though the base is right size. I would let you proxy them because the drop pod kit is total bullshit when it comes to the spore it uses the same "legs" as the drop pod

>>44519212

3 breacher teams and four Devilfish is a hell of a fucking investment.

...You know the biggest thing that confuses me about Devilfish is the lack of firepoints.

>>44519243
>3 breacher teams. You can also use Strikers. Combine them as fire support.

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Would Devilfishes be better if it were divided in two versions?

One get a drop in points in exchange of losing its burst cannon and maybe gaining fast.

The other adquires heavier weapon options like missile pods.

Thinking about fielding 3 groups of 12 Burna boyz in trukks and using their flamers as AP3 weapons to counter the huge MEQ army I go against regularly.

Heavy support can then be dedicated to Mek Gunz and Fast attack for Bikes. I'm lacking AV though and not sure where it can come from.

>>44519294
Sounds neat.
>triple burst cannon all the way

>>44518738

Hmm

My options are basically:

Missile pods: I technically already have one missile pod suit because I bought an old style Crisis as my markerlight commander then replaced her when the plastic commander kit came out. Long range, but I already have broadsides for that so.

CIB: Hugely spammy firepower, though also broadside overlap.

AFB: Anti horde: I have units for this role, though these guys are extreme overkill at it.

Cheap flamer: 30 ppm and change, could be comboed with Farsight or a Fusion blade commander as escorts I guess?

>>44518879
Just 1 apoc only formation, gods besides khorne aren't likely to get formations until their book gets an update in hopefully this year

>>44519605
Is there likely to be a Daemonkin book, or was that a one-off Khorne thing? I've been out of the loop for almost a year, sorry if this has been answered before

>>44519777
Your guess is as good as any. Daemonkin was likely just done to get more money out of the release of the Bloodthirster kit. If the other gods get similar then its likely they will get a Daemonkin too.